I’ve got so many people who only watch my videos if I'm criticizing overwatch. I complimented overwatch for one video and said they did something better than rivals and it upset so many people. Most people seem more interested in just hating overwatch than improving games.
It’s truly sad. I’m pretty sure a lot of rivals players just play to shit on OW. They don’t care about the exact same flaws since it’s not OW. They make rivals look terrible with how awful they act. I wonder if they actually like rivals
What the point of trying to improve the game that doesn't want to be improved ? This devs had 8 years to polish game. What we got for being patient ? The downgrade of OW in its worst way. At this point it is right thing to just hate that garbage. You can't save the one who doesn't want to be saved. Only pity and hate it.
It's kind of sad that there are so many people who only look to hate on Overwatch in any way possible and they can't just let it go and move on to something they enjoy.
The difference is that OW is trying to balance an unbalanceable game (5v5), nerfing everything down that requires skill, but buffing the "no skill" abilities as powerful as they can be. They literally avoid doing what is needed and try to find as many workarounds as they can. Marvel Rivals is just simply making everything broken, they don't try to hard balance the game. When they balance they look at what is needed and don't patch in a workaround that breaks half the game.
Problem is they can't even do that effectively, they unironically giga nerfed panther, one of the worst characters, and gave Hela and Hawkeye and nothing nerf that didn't fix anything about them dominating every lobby. And after super buffed every support and nerfed the tanks more. They are just as bad as blizzard
Still not possible to claim that they're the same as Bllizard just from one patch note, I agree that the changes weren't good enough, but it's dishonest to compare Blizzard making terrible balance changes consecutively for 2 entire years, to what MR is doing now just starting the game
@@arbalest327 blizzard fk up 2 year in a row vs the dev with only 1 patch note lol. Btw black panther is giga strong bro, i dont even know where u got the info that he one of the worst characters, even after the patch most people still considered him best melee dps
The reason I got sick of Overwatch is because it feels like every character is a neutered version of how they were on release. The way that rivals has no problems letting a character be overtuned or overpowered is the exact reason why I find it fun. It felt like no fun was allowed in Overwatch. Meanwhile, fun is required in Rivals.
I hate the afk easy value characters in rivals. But when overwatch has the easy value there is no counterplay. Counterpicking/un-1v1able tanks/supports having 5 cooldowns that win a 1v1 Rivals at least i can outplay some of the bs. And everyone has access to some bs so even if you die to some bs you have the ability to outskill the bs or do your bs next game.
Tbf if you had some bs to counter bs you wouldn't be out skilling it's just you can get a kill too it doesn't feel better it's just embracing bad balance, and I think the reason it feels so fun is because of skill inflation ow has been out for 8 years not as many people know everything about MR like they do here.
@@nova-ct7odno, Overwatch does not have skill expression. You play widow, have decent aim and shit on everyone. Or you play a character, get counterswapped, counterswap them and then continue that process until you win, lose or stop
@@AdamSlander888whilst I agree widow isn't hard to play, I think that only goes for people that have kept up with ow. Aiming in ow is deceptively easy looking when someone good at ow is playing. But for the average Joe that doesn't play that much, instant accel and the amount of mobility in ow makes it near impossible for them to hit shots. I've played so much to the point that I find everything that isn't a Hanzo arrow easy to aim. (Idk why but my brain refused to understand the arrow's trajectory to the point that it feels like gambling). Then again fuck them average mf, I want some actual competitive balancing that is balanced around the top players. Every competitive game worth their salt all do this and I will never understand why people see ow as a competitive game when it's simply not balanced for to be competitive.
imo i think at this current stage of both games people are willing to give rivals the benefit of the doubt to kinda smooth out the rough edges, while overwatch has had years and they keep making the same mistakes and ignoring blatant problems for so long that they’re kinda over it. it’s more about player trust and sentiment than the literal balance of both games.
It feels like my plays matter more in RIVALS, idk if that’s actually true but I feel more rewarded for the correct plays. MR is not really a competitive game but at least I don’t feel depressed playing it.
i kinda agree, your play matters but at the same time, you really can't stomp lobbies by yourself unless you're just insanely better than the other team, save playing hawkeye. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten my fair share of team wipes with little help because I was hitting heads with funny bow and arrow man, but outside of that and an ult, you're really just doing your part as a cog in the machine. You definitely have to be able to keep up with your team in rivals, but at the same time, you also can't just server admin unless you're just that much better than the lobby
Both games are definitely bullshit, but IMO Marvel Rivals has more counter play to the bullshit. In Rivals it's more easily identified what you could've done different. In Overwatch you feel powerless and must just accept what happened.
@@CouchPotatoCrusader ngl hawkeye is the only character that I feel like some characters just can't beat without 2v1ing him he's just so op because one shots that aren't a ult are not healthy for any team shooter game.
@@Adventist1997 EXACTLY BRU every Scarlet Bitch I go up against they are just bot walking holding down the fire button auto hitting/killing/assisting throughout the whole match 😑 like...nigga just delete her or rework her. And what's even crazier to think about is for such a complex and vastly strong character they turned her into a absolute pathetically brain dead of a game character to play as smh.
A lot of players want to use Rivals as a medium to hold Blizzard accountable for all the mistreatment they've given players over the years, and as a result there seems a deep desire from these players for Rivals to succeed and to continue succeeding no matter what. So, they continue to consciously or unconsciously avoid critically analyzing the game because it may lead people to appreciate some of the things OW provides, which would let Blizzard continue to do what they've always done: screw over their player base with no reprecussions because the game they made is still beloved by many people. Honestly, in my opinion I want a game that can TRULY rival OW in terms of gameplay quality so we don't have to play this game of hush mode where we try and bolster Rivals' success as much as possible. Rivals to me feels clunky and doesn't have that competitive focus gameplay wise that I want, and I won't pretend like I don't feel that way just to try and get one over on Blizzard (even if I understand how much they do deserve it).
The reason that its different for me is that OW has always prides itself on its balance and competitiveness. Rivals is more casual and only competitive if you make it that way, not because the devs forced it. Rivals is easily more unbalanced than OW, but that makes it fun because EVERY character is busted, and if they aren't now, they will later like how they buffed Storm. OW devs will tell you Genji is actually better than Kiriko and will ignore him to keep perfect 50%WR. The things that are ridiculous in Rivals are managable for higher elo players because we have 4 ban slots to remove broken characters, or characters that specifically counter a hero we main. OW forces you to play hard meta or lose and will tell you it's fair that Kiriko can do everything under the sun while Mercy can just fly around and look pretty. If a game tells me that everything in it is gonna be bullshit, I'm gonna expect bullshit. If a game tells me it's fair, balanced, and everything is determined by skill, that's what I'll expect. Moira and Scarlet are the same character, Moira counters some of the highest skill heroes, whilst Scarlet is bad and gets shit on by anyone decent. Widow is a skilless 1 shot that has no risk and all reward, Hawkeye is literally Hanzo but with more fair abilities and better ult that requires much more skill to 1 tap consistently. I may not be able to kill a Luna when they ult, but they damn sure arent killing me on Venom when I have 1900hp. If I sell you a car and tell you it runs like shit you aren't gonna complain because you knew what you were getting, if I lie to you and say it's in peak conditioning you're gonna bring that shit back and get your money back. The games set different expectations, the difference is Rivals is consistent and has a clear goal, while OW says one thing and does the other. There are things that annoy me in Rivals, but I know I can counter or outplay them on virtually any character or have the opportunity to pick a character just as broken, I'm not locked into playing Mauga for 3 months or I lose, I don't have to have Juno on my team to have a fighting chance, if there's something I don't wanna play against I ban it so I never have to worry. Rivals is more unbalanced but give their players endless options, OW is either pick the correct hero or lose every game while trying to convince you that Genji is actually the best DPS in the roster. It's not bad faith, it's OW having no clue what they even are anymore.
You are one of the few people I've seen speak about ow being called a competitive game by blizzard but it just simply not one. One thing I want to add is that ow has not once balanced around the top players. (99% of the time at least cause sometimes they would change something for owl) Every competitive video game under the sun that is worth it's salt has done it this way, what makes ow so different that they think they can balance for both high and low ELO? Because doing what they are doing right now doesn't make anyone happy at all. Not the casuals, nor the competitive players.
@inoo2345 It's exactly why I hold them to that standard. They set it themselves. How is Rivals, a casual game able to nerf every single high tier character accurately based on high rank statistics while keeping them good and fun, yet OW will see Genji with a 53%WR and gut him the first 2 weeks of OW2, then proceed to let Soujorn and Kiriko dominate the meta for 7 months straight. OW makes themselves look ridiculous, so much so that anyone defending them comes off as blatantly ignorant or lying. It's 100% fine if you enjoy OW, but don't compare the game to Rivals when the Blizzard devs legitimately have 0 clue what they want for their game and Rivals devs do. You can't call a game hyper competitive and then have characters like Mauga be in the same class as Ball or Doomfist whilst being 1000x better than them and expect anyone to take you seriously.
@@HOSShadow I saw someone saying that the people complaining about the balance were the ones that ruined ow. Haven't heard something more tone deaf in a while. They don't realize that they aren't actually pointing the blame at the people who have control over ow. The thing that ruined ow in my eyes is not wanting to go fully wacky casual shooter or fully hardcore competitive game. I still play the game because even marvel rivals can't replace the feeling ow gives me. It's funny to me that that person who said the people complaining are the cause of ow's downfall, doesn't realize that the people complaining are the only ones left that care about the game going in a good direction.
@inoo2345 The devs have ultimately killed both versions of OW, and people are trying to use Bobby as a scapegoat. The lack of communication and hubris of the devs got the better of them. They've listened to their community 0 times and paid heavily for it. We tell them to rework OW1 Brig, they nerf her 27 times and buff Reaper, now we have role queue. We ask for Hero bans, we get Hero pools, and a cat chooses who I get to play for a week. We ask them to remove Bap lamp, they buff him and make double shield oppressive. We ask for a Sig or Orisa rework, we get 5v5. We ask for Global Heal/Dmg nerfs across the board, we get S9 changes increasing HP/Dmg/Heals and adding ridiculous passives. We ask for the original 6v6 with the Oct 2020 balance patch, we get 6v6 with S9 changes, passives, and increased bullet sizes. The only reason we got 6v6 was because they were terrified that Rivals was around the corner and knew they couldn't bullshit around like they always do. They've actively made fun of 6v6'ers, called us blinded and delusional, but now they magically care about 6v6 because they have competition for the first time in years. Well they took too long, people like me and many others have moved on because I can't trust Blizzard to do right by the community. They've already killed my main Genji and made my favorite role tank miserable, so there's nothing keeping me attached anymore. It's only a matter of time until Rivals adds a character that fits someone's playstyle in OW and converts them. They've already lost some of their biggest streamers, and with it, their communities. 6v6 was their final card to play, and they failed miserably. We've given them so many chances and believed in them for years, so I feel no sympathy watching the game slowly die, I wish it wasn't this way. I really wanted them to try with 6v6 and I hoped they would deliver and they didn't. They've genuinely killed my ability to care about OW anymore.
2:38 overwatch had eight years to decide on how they wanted to balance and the direction the game was going to go in then they lied to us about PVE overall, the reason why overwatch isn’t allowed any amount of grace is because they had not only a Headstart, but they lied to us
I think the reason why people don't mind is because some ults can kill through a support ult in comparison to overwatch and because of the ban system people don't get nearly as mad when playing against some bull because it rotates in and out. And people don't get as mad being cc in the game because its 3rd person, idk why but it's just like that. Finally no role q is all casual really players wanted.
Not to mention, the broken parts of support are their ULTIMATES, if you use a dps ult and they pop a supp ult, yeah it’s annoying it does so much healing but at least it’s an ultimate u got out. Overwatch has immo field and suzu, you could pop a dps ult and oops kiri had her 15 second cooldown, guess you can’t kill anyone. Even then, yes Luna ult does insane healing but enough burst can kill through it like an Ironman ult, nothing can kill through suzu, a cooldown. Adam warlock has mass rez, but it’s an ultimate and they spawn at half health, mercy has a 30 second cooldown that respawns ppl at full health
@GhostbladeX101 a stun, that can be blocked and countered, vs an immortality, cleanse, intangibility, burst heal that can't really be interrupted and once thrown has no real counterplay. Mantis and Lunas stuns r equivalent to an Ana sleep, nobody is calling for Ana sleep to be removed from the game. Plus cloaks immo gets removed if any teammates, jump, shoot or do anything other than walking, in a regular match with randoms, it's not affecting most people, bc most ppl immediately remove the effect from themselves on accident or on purpose
@@GhostbladeX101both their stuns are skillshots lil bro, mantis has like 0 range so at most she stuns divers and Luna can easily miss hers in the chaotic fights and then she has nothing else for defense
@@GREED_EU you have some agency in one scenario and zero agency in the other. I don’t think there is a perfect way to please every player, every game. You mentioned that streamers are ignoring issues with Rivals while ripping Overwatch apart. Overwatch has consistently burned bridges and outright lied about content/choices they made. The history of Overwatch is already tainted. Marvel Rivals isn’t perfect, but it doesn’t have the same baggage. I don’t have the same expectations for Rivals as I did Overwatch. When Rivals devs start making claims and not delivering, then we can get upset. For now it’s the first season, just enjoy the craziness of a new game.
“No one is capable of having an argument in good faith” is exactly why I hate interacting with these communities. It is physically impossible for a competitive gamer to be able to even CONSIDER anything except skill issue… unless it’s about them of course. Then their complaints are valid. Game health and what leads to healthy player development, things being fun and interactive, good intuitive design- no one cares about actually trying to focus on things that make the game better. They just say skill issue. And I get it- I get that no one is taught to be introspective, refine their own positions logically, and be intellectually honest (with themselves too, not just with others), but Jesus Christ interacting with these people is torture. It’s just hard actually caring enough to care. It’s at least reassuring to know that there are other people who acknowledge that it’s a massive problem.
I was going through this yesterday l had left a comment about wanting to know this youtubers sensitivity on psylock and I explained a lil bit of my frustration on not being able to find a good sensitivity for my aim. This random dude said "no it's simple your aim sucks " it's a skill issue." I was trying to explain to him that my aim is decent and I wanted some sensitivity recommendations so it can possibly feel comfortable/constant. But he kept saying/going back to the same thing "it's a skill issue" "your aim is bad".
@@gutgrinder200perhaps there's a sens calculator for marvel rivals already? If that exists you can do that to at least translate your preferred sens from ow into MR. Ofc that doesn't say it's gonna feel great but it hopefully should be what you are used to.
A lot of it too is that Marvel Rivals is still a very new game right now so people aren't as tired of some of the nonsense as Overwatch players having to deal with their game's issues for *years.* And yeah, sure, there's a lot of annoyances the two games share (instalocking DPS that can't DPS, nobody pushing cart, unkillable characters, etc...), but whereas Overwatch can feel exhausting after finally being able to cap a long-fought point, it doesn't feel nearly as overwhelming or as time-consuming when you do so on Rivals by comparison. A common thing I've heard people say is that "losing in Marvel Rivals feels better than winning in Overwatch 2," which I think perfectly encapsulates how people are feeling about both games right now.
The only difference for me at least, is most of my matches aren't full of people scapegoating or complaining about stats in Rivals like they do constantly in Overwatch. Though I'm sure that change in a couple more months. Oh, also the report system
Don’t forget about the many broken promises blizzard did. It’s not just about the balance and all that. MR just gave us 2 heroes in one shot and put in the work compared to overwatch. Plus, the which game is better stuff was the same with Paladins and overwatch few years back and now it’s a problem. But I agree with the comments about the OW shills.
Exactly what I was thinking. People hate Moira aim lock but Rivals has way more bullshit aim lock and semi aim lock heroes where you take damage because they shoot a stationary object. Sustain is bad in OW but multiple support ults in Rivals are trans on steroids and you don't have anti so the only thing you can do is wait it out or oneshot. Mass rez and single rez are bullshit but mass rev over a duration and instant single rez are fine. Lamp is bullshit but lamp that turns damage into heal is fine. Sleep dart is annoying but sleep grenade on Zen is fine. Rivals is a great game but the bullshit it has are often more aggregious than OW, yet nobody talks about them.
Rivals has a ton going for it, but I still play Overwatch because it still feels to me, even after this last performance mode patch and mouse accel patch, that Rivals characters do not feel as fluid to me. That is the most important thing to me, how the characters feel to play. I used to play third person games like Ninja Gaiden Black 20 years ago, and those third person mechanics are still better than Rivals implementation of third person. I will continue to try Rivals after each major patch, but so for there is no character that feels even close to how it feels to play Ryu Hayabusa in NGB.
Really glad someone pointed this out. I was talking to my brother the other day about how rivals already feels like there’s way too much healing. In the same vain, while I like rivals and have played it a fair bit, there is not a single character in the game that’s nearly as fun or polished as characters like Genji, Tracer, Ana, or Doomfist ect. While I am having fun with the game, there is not a single character that I’ve been able to grind/fall in love with
@@sataniaterumi9122 problem is, half of them are counterintuitive designs or boring stun/poke simulators, and the well designed ones are unplayable right now due to the aforementioned being so overpowered they dominate them
Doomfist was a fine polished character but since he dropped into the worst role , they just make stronger versions of him now like Venture gaining health by doing a skill where as Doom has to hit is already unfair and Hazard is just a way better Tank Doomfist these team just doesnt care as long as they can sell skins
when hanzo got his one shot back, one guy on tik tok was bitching about it but when hawk guy came out, he said that that rivals cooked with this design etc. and wow the hero is hated 24/7 was over S tier etc. turn a blind eye cuz he got the creater program
I can only speak for myself but a lot of the gripes I have with Overwatch come down to the developers and their ability to manage the game. The Marvel devs have already shown infinitely more engagement with the community and they're receptive to the concerns and address them promptly. Meanwhile Overwatch you have to wait entire seasons to get some over produced garbage where they ignore anything relevant and then turn around and try to sell you $50 weapon skins.
Here's my take on this, if Overwatch was in 3rd person you wouldn't tell the difference, and also Overwatch players are binching about problems that are impossible to fix and they never will be yet they are coping about the same problems in Rivals because they want Overwatch to change and improve. Give them one year. It's so easy for someone like me that plays all of these games casually to watch someone like Flats for example and see how delusional he is. I know a simple fix for all of Overwatch issues but if applied it would've transformed the game into an already existing one that why not go play that instead.
I get what youre saying im glad some one is saying it too. The bot lobbies, the performance issues, the balance its all flaws that do need to be addressed (maybe less so the balance i like my goofy lopsided power) also lets not forget the fact a winnie the pooh joke gets you banned
what I liked about Overwatch is that the heroes aren't all overpowered and you have to actually think while you play but with Rivals I think that if everyone is op it loses the ability to be more skilled. OW and MR are two different games people just want to compare them because OW is having a tough time right now and MR is the new game, in OW not many heroes have the ability to one shot but in MR everyone is so broken and strong that a lot of them can one shot. MR is run in mash buttons, OW is strats, the problem with Rivals is that nobody wants to admit that it has a mountain of problems and act as if OW is nothing but a bad game, forget what shill content creators say or dramatic people in the comments or the forums say, both games are fun and OW isn't dying.
Well they are just blinded by the novelty, once it runs out they will point out the issues. I have never played a multiplayer game where everything is balanced. It just seems impossible.
If you look at the raw numbers, then Marvel’s opponents have a lot of damage, but when it comes to Overwatch, context is important, usually tanks complain about this, obviously because of the 5v5 format this problem becomes even more acute and this is the second context. In Marvel rivals you have a second tank that covers you, add support that is difficult to kill, the result is tanks live longer. I also forgot to mention that some characters receive shields to health, so in the case of marvel rivals, large damage is a necessary measure so that the battle does not take long.
the difference here is that, overwatch had like 8 years to not be a horrendously balanced, 10-15 minutes of suffering where skillless or unfun gameplay is rewarded. rivals might also have some low skill level heroes but they arent insanely OP like someone like moira or mauga. the reason rivals is viewed as so much better is because it literally just got here, the fun stuff like teamups and wacky strats with portals or other cooky stuff which is not only super entertaining but alot of the time it actually works. all the roles are strong and have carry potential. rivals is seen in such a good light because its fun in a way overwatch hasnt been for years. every character feels distinct and fun, every role contributes a lot and theres a lot of lore for nerds that the devs actually care about. not to mention the immaculate skins which are priced better. also the battlepass not being time locked means the FOMA is removed. its just a better experience overall grinding overwatch comp feels like clocking in to a miserable job whereas rivals makes me feel like im a little kid playing halo or COD with my boys all over again
I genuinely am not having fun with Rivals or Overwatch so I’m playing neither, but I’m still gonna hate on Blizzard and Ow with my friends because of the straight up animosity that we feel to Blizzard, I know completely that Marvel Rivals isn’t that much better in a lot of aspects but at least they haven’t “destroyed my childhood” quite like Blizzard has done with Overwatch over the years. It’s kind of just cathartic and I think that’s how a lot of people view it unfortunately
When people get used to playing Rivals, I think in around 3 months they will see the flaws. It won't be as bad as Overwatch has been, but it is a casual game that people will take more competitively as time goes on.
Overwatch based on my Enjoyment levels: 2016: 200% 2017: 130% 2018: 110% 2019: 100% 2020: 80% 2021: 60% 2022: 40% 2023: 60% 2024: 15% 2025: 0% I have yet to play a match in this holy year.
6:53 as a new Hammond main who probably eaten every stun, sleep,hooked, or whipshot, i can say it’s equally aggravating to be playmaking in rivals then getting Bucky’d outta existence, or diving backlines or getting slept or froze, or all 3
The reason I think those problems were in overwatch and not in rivals is one, there are other things that they enjoy far more, so the things dislikes don't feel as bad... And most importantly whenever a character feels broken, they can be banned (banning is not available from lower rank players, but the youtubers making videos on Marvel all are in higher rank, so they don't hate the broken characters as much)
As soon I played Season 1 I immediately noticed how powerful Strategists were, and it kinda scares me to think that they may be just as broken as OW's supports if this goes on
Are we genuinely trying to say that Groot is on the same level as magneto, strange, luna, or mantis? Because it you can argue in good faith here and agree that groot is not as strong them then what you just said is completely wrong
@ yes 😭 he’s so annoying to play against especially with good cd usage. i’m not even talking from a rivals fan pov, im literally in a ow rank Q as i type this. i genuinely believe the game is more fun than ow cuz every character is broken, now some are easier to play than others ill agree. it’s definitely not a competitive game either and doesn’t need to be, cuz it’s fun
@@GREED_EU saying every character is BS is not the same as saying every character is equally strong, I think most people would agree with that. Also I hear people complaining about supports being broken in rivals (leading to the rise of groot + moonknight who can kill through their ults), one shots being unfun (hawkeye and widowmaker both do this), dps being unequal in strength, all sorts of things. Could just be the content I consume though Part of it is certainly that people have been CC locked to death in Overwatch for 8 years now and in Rivals for a month. The design decisions are already being questioned and it'll only go up with time
Overwatch has lit itself on fire for nearly 7 years and within that time has just been on a continuous downward spiral, you can’t save something that doesn’t want to be saved at all
I agree. Honestly I haven't been playing either lately, once I hit gm in rivals idk it feels like I beat the game already l know I could get higher rank but I just don't enjoy this games peaks as much as peak overwatch. Since neither game scratches that itch I just casually play both sometimes but past couple weeks idk there's no motivation TBH
It is the same problem, both games are luck based. But rivals has actually good movement and all issues can be fixed by tweaking some numbers. Rivals also listens to the players so far, Hawkeye is the only 1 shot character and he'll be nerfed this season along with hella. The game is 6v6 and open queue and had hero bans. Rivals is just what overwatch should be, they still have a ways to go tho.
tbh rivals is in its honeymoon phase, give it a few months and theyll start complaining i think, overwatch is unplayable for me rn and rivals is pretty fun casually with friends but shit like hela and the supports make me not want to play it competitively
@@sataniaterumi9122 I'd rather go back to the beta then wait another month for them to hopefully fix it, last time they just made the game 20x worse by adding immortal simulator and brig 2.0
@@BigPro1123it's because you are constantly having your ability to play the game taken away with stuns, slows, and absurdly high burst damage like Hawkeye. I'm literally a cosmetic shield for my team, it's insane how much they baby everything else but leave tank to take all the bullshit
I think people will be ok with these problems until time passes and they become dedicated players. If you're casually playing, you might not care about burst damage/cc, etc. But if you invest your time in the game and specific heroes, it'll become a lot more frustrating and players will want those problems fixed.
I 100% agree. I do say cuz its 6v6 its not as bad and people do complain about healing and DMG so if youre not talking about one specific person im not sure what you really mean
Your videos make me want to play Oblivion, most funny game and with NPCs that feel alive(don't take it too literal). Truly the only one that you can have fun
Realth has also been talking about this but he isn't that popular... It's sad how the biggest content creators encourage this behavior within their communities.
MR is 6v6 already making it better and if everythings broken then the game is somewhat blanched unlike OW which has dps like genji who they made dogshi and then you got broken heros like mei who force you to play counterwatch And blizzard has been doing thing and making the same mistakes for years while MR just came out
@@PunchM3 I haven’t played in months, the last time i played mei was one of the best and genji was D tier to most player. Thanks for keeping me informed
The best review for Rivals I've seen is one on the steam page that went something along the lines of "It's not as good as Overwatch 1, but it's better than OW2" which is pretty much spot on. It doesn't hook me like OW1 did and it has alot of nonsense, but I can actually have fun unlike OW2 where because I played OW1 and it was so much better I just spend the whole time wishing I could go back. Also rivals has to potential to improve, OW2 imo is too far gone at this point.
People just want to hop on and have fun. It’s so literally minority a very strict minority of players that watch or even know about patch notes No one cares about balance anymore. Balance and games always kills it. ( it’s only influences who complained about that.) and it only affects a minority of the player base. Vocal minority that makes the noice
Game has had one balance patch. We need to give it time. It took 20+ brig nerfs for her to still be one of the best characters in the game. You guys are treating rivals like it's been out for years, but then turning around like ow2 is the new game so they have to give it some time.
Yeah. It's been rough playing Rivals. Im so tired of characters getting shielding after using abilities, supports pushing out too much healing, stacked kits, etc. To me it feels like they didn't really learn anything from OW mistakes. Aside from heroes not being locked behind a battlepass. Some heroes are just poorly designed.
I hope this all makes sense but I do think in all honesty this could all be attributed to mix of four factors; 1. Its still the new shiny thing 2. No role Queue, allowing for more variation between matches for better and for worse. Also with open Queue allowing you to be far more flexible mid match it helps alleviate frustration. If a role is lacking you can much more easily do something about it. 3. Incredibly fast Queue times. There's a lot less time to ruminate on terrible matches, so people are generally going to be less upset when the frustration has less time to sit and fester. 4. Blizzard fatigue. People are generally just sick and tired of blizzard in general, especially with how far they've fallen from their peak with the constant scandals and corporate greed.
Whiners like these were the ones who killed Overwatch, complaining that the games were too long, that there were too many stuns, etc. Thanks to them, we now have the shitty 5v5, shitty reworks, and constant complaints that if one role is unbalanced, the others aren't, leading to constant changes that, to top it off, are also bad. So, frankly, Fuck that and fuck ow2. The "everyone is unbalanced" of Marvel Rivals is at least fun, because if you're really good with one hero, you can beat anyone else. This, as expected, makes the game three times more entertaining than Overwatch. Honestly, I hope Overwatch content creators, at least this time, keep quiet so as not to ruin another game.
No it wasn't people complaining about balance, it was team 4 being incapable of balancing the game properly. They only had 2 paths and chose neither. They didn't want to commit to a wacky game because they saw the dollars signs when looking at the potential of ow's pro scene starting with Apex back in 2017 and so they started the overwatch league. Then at the same time they didn't commit to the game actually being a competitive game by balancing around the pros/top players like every other competitive game ever. The people that are the best at absolutely breaking ow's balance are the pros and high rank players yet not once did they ask for feedback on how to fix the balance. It's an industry standard to balance around the top unless the game isn't competitive. What they need to do is choose one or the other but blizzard wants their cake and eat it too.
There are a lot of Differences between the two that makes Marvel Rivals so much better For one i started playing Overwatch after watching the many amazing cinematics and started to care for characters like Reinhardt and Bastion but all that is now gone. These characters went from Icons that everyone loved to sad hospital patient slowly dying and withering away to the point you don't even recognize them anymore. Then there is also the fact you can ban stuff you don't like.. besides that every hero feels like a HERO, Insanely unique and weird and fun to play while overwatch they all feel the same like everything Unique got removed and they all turned into a grey blob to fit their role. Overwatch is just a old dementia patient in it's death bed that itself dosen't even know what it is or what it was It's honestly just sad.
I'd rather live in a world of Crowd Control, then whatever happened to McCree/Cassidy & Mei. There maybe too many stuns in Rivals, but considering half the characters are hyper mobile kids on speed, you need them. Otherwise you become a cowboy with less viability and no survivability, in a world where stationary defensive characters are now dead and mobility reigns with every new character.
My favourite part is how people are praising Rivals for not being too competitive and just letting it be unbalanced, ridiculous and a fun casual game etc. And these very same people have spent the last 9 years whining about how unbalanced Overwatch is (quite rightly.)
I think rivals having less random bullshit that can kill you makes you feel more "in-control" than ow does. That and rivals having a somewhat slower pace helps as well.
Long time watcher first time commenter, I think the problem with OW is that it faltered on the competitive side and casual side. I'm a masters/diamond casual player. I quit OW2 in season 13. Why Rivals gets a pass for its ridiculous shit is that the format and majority of the playerbase don't have a united perspective because the games are played so vastly different. In OW, the majority of the playerbase didn't play real dive, double shield, GOATS, beyblade, etc. Their games were all over the place. When the meta DID start to effect them, they were a higher rank. The game always become stale because it isn't fun to play the same characters all the time. The game was never meant to be a balanced game. It was a casual experience. Players wanted it to be, but the game never built the infrastracture to make it such. Overtime, the restrictions put in place compounded and led to the most restrictive game which we now have as OW2. The problems of OW2 are foundational, where as in OW1, outside of meta slave/high elo, they average player didn't experience it. It got a pass because bronze players didnt know how to play GOATS, coordinate dives, or double shields. They barely land consistent shots. But due to 5vs5 format, structurally, you can point to and see with the in game stats who the problem is. Counterswapping is king, supports are way overtuned (because they have to be because the majority of the playerbase isn't that good), and dps are stuck in this weird balance state of useless if you can't aim. Casuals have a bad experience because characters have become much harder to use and skilled players have a miserable time because the foundation is so bad. I'm plat currnetly in MR, i'm starting to see the triple support meta, but its still far more likely to watch hawkeyes/helas dominate games or hulk/iron man dominate games. So the average player isn't experiencing this stuff. Solely from a high elo player, you're absolutely right, but for the majority of the playerbase, it doesn't ring true. All of this to say, MR perspective isn't trying to be this super competitive esport, and OW did try, and when it did, the experiences destroyed the game for both casual players and skilled players.
What sucks in 5v5 sucks less in 6v6. When you’re not having fun, the balance problems seem a big issue but the lack of fun has more complex causes. 5v5 is so gratingly tedious to play that no wonder people are leaving for Rivals or saying OW is worse - even though Rivals has serious issues - because 5v5 is a dismal tedious mode, especially in comp. For me, 5v5 is not the OW I originally signed up to play, in any way. I’ve been playing 6v6 (now stupidly in Arcade, but not counted as Arcade for challenge purposes) non-stop and having a lot of fun. I can’t bear to go back to comp because it’s 5v5 … it’s just a grind.
the problem i have with rivals is the fact i literally cant play it because it takes me so long to load into a match that its literally half way down by the time im in my pc is completely fine, theres just some weird bug with the engine or smth that makes it unplayable
Completely agree, even tho I've been almost fully converted to rivals and quit ow (again²), I can say with utmost confidence that cc in rivals is way worse than ever in ow, even tho I like it better than ow at the moment. Playing tank sometimes feels so bad, getting iced, slept, kidnapped and getting 2 shot by Hawkeye every 5 sec
no i agree, theres a lot thats similar to ow in rivals. ive been playing spiderman and starlord, i plan to play panther later as well. but having to play as spiderman or panther against characters that dont have to aim like wanda or cloak is quite bull. or having to play against a namor with his turrets and slow is insane or having to perform 2x more than others for half the rewards is insane. then people like to complain and say "ggs" before match begins just cause i picked spiderman or smthn is beyond
Everyone has some sort of CC and abuse potential towards others in MR, and also escape movement ability. So nobody is that upset. Plus the stuns are (feel) so much shorter! And it's so much harder to land them precisely in MR, while in OW... if you are the stun target, you get stunned. OW (in its current state) is done.
As a creator as well what frustrates me is that people who HATE Overwatch take that hate to hate on anyone who's still playing Overwatch. I specifically make overwatch workshop content which there is no workshop in marvel rivals, yet 25% of my comments say "play marvel rivals, you're still playing this dead game HAHAHAHA. Look at this guy still playing overwatch". The irony is that I DO play marvel rivals and I DO like it, but these people are telling people "you're not allowed to play/enjoy overwatch because marvel rivals exists". These people piss me off so much. I have never cared when people would comment saying I look ugly, or that I "look like an overwatch player", but now that my channel views and income from youtube/tiktok have been NUKED by marvel rivals they are rubbing it into my face that I still "play" Overwatch. Man the internet is full of degenerate and hateful people.
My theory is that the breakpoints in Rivals are better but also that you can climb in marvel rivals with a negative win rate so the people are more successful in rivals ranked than overwatch. It gives the illusion they are better than they actually are. Humans will gravitate towards what they are successful in. Basically Rivals is the easier game but they don't realize it entirely.
As a long casual OW gamer (1 year after the first launch) and a now MR enjoyer and it's probably the F2P that i have the most hours in, you have a lot of fair points. Supports that making you almost immortal and all the other things that you have said are genuinely correct. One difference there is is that OW had almost 9 years to fix it where MR just came out. I'm not saying that in the future, especially after that we know how the hero schedule will be handled, of MR we will never seen such a bad taste of imbalance like OW2 as rn but it's kinda more excusable. Even OW at launch was so crazy and OW Classic made it clear but both OW1 and MR were fullfilling the hero fantasy spot much more than OW2 as rn. Neglecting the problems is crazy and it's an objective nad behaviour but you had 8 years to manage to resolve that problems and they are still there
There are still aspects of rivals that are the same but way less painful, take the one shot sniper characters for example. Widowmaker changes the ENTIRE pace of a match, she can take space simply by existing but Hawkeye just cant. Just cause he one shots doesnt make him nearly as powerful or as painful
He’s totally right about this. The real reason Overwatchs community is tripping over Rivals is because Overwatch is old. Rivals doesn’t do that much different or new.
The sad thing is that blizzard is so stubborn. In the event that marvel rivals wins out for best game blizzard will not change much. They shown their stubbornness with how they handled 6v6 in which they continue too do. I do not see Blizzard saying "Wow marvel rivals is winning, We need to make our shop more consumer friendly and not rip people off by selling epic skins at legendary cost. We need to put the pve back on the to do list. We need to make 6v6 a part of the main qp and comp listings. We need to improve how we approach balancing from now on. We will hire staff to look over our report and manage reports and we will revise our rues page to be more clear to prevent further confusion we will bring back aspects the people loved from the previous game and make improvements to existing features" (Well buff Genji) /j x3 Blizzard will keep doing what it is doing what they do and no amount of players leaving or saying marvel rivals is better will change that any. It is the sad truth but that is Blizzard for ya.
The reason is because they are treating overwatch like an ex. People dont love rivals just because they love it, they love it be ause they want to hate overwatch and they want this to be some kind of message to overwatch in the hope overwatch will change and take them back.
Completely true. People are being SUPER charitable to rivals right now, even when it has almost everything they hated in ow: super tanks that don't die, insane healing, one shots, etc. A lot of it is the game being new and people not knowing the matchups yet, but also part of it is definitely people hating ow and just because it's a different game it's better. It's herd mentality, the player base at large is enjoying the game and not critiquing it, so individuals feel less inclined to. It's the same thing with streamers right now, even if they're not having fun they still won't go back to ow because everyone is playing rivals and they don't want to be the first one.
Good job I've been permanently of the camp that Rivals, good or not, would actually be good for OW in the long run so long as team 4.5 finally pull their thumbs out of their asses. Also as for 'same thing' between both games, as someone who finds OW unplayable now, in rivals a lot of issues are being solved by bans and similar issues aren't necessarily affecting things as badly just because of the way that everything is being intentionally overtuned rather than some things being wayyyy stronger than others (of course, S0 had outliers in Hela and Hawkeye, for example, though)
Rivals and OW may be similar. But the fun comes from being able to make big plays and be rewarded for it in rivals. And DPS actually feels like a role. In OW, DPS feels like a complement to what supports and the tank plays unless its a One-Shot like Widow or Sojo with Dmg buff While your in OW major plays can be denied with a simple press of a button. True fun comes comes from playmaking... not denying.
I like both games equally. But I’ve chosen the secret third option and have been playing Splatoon 3 for the Nintendo switch. It honestly has what people want in team games. Great movement, high skill ceiling, fair snipers, fair one shots, nothing is majorly OP must picks. Nothing is a throw pick. Different playstyles to pick from. Good competitive modes. Solo carry potential. Fun team play (4v4) One of their only downsides is the maps aren’t too great It’s genuinely what I think players would want but won’t play it cause it’s Nintendo. One of the best shooters I’ve ever played. Definitely better than OW2 and won best multiplayer game in 2022 beating OW2
Imho I think people are waiting to see what the devs will tune before complaining. They’ve only put out one patch since rivals release. Rivals also has a ban system so to get one shots out if you don’t wanna play that. Whereas overwatch doesn’t listen and has been out for almost 8 years. I think rivals is better than ow2 so I’m also biased. But can agree w the flaws you mentioned about rivals. Good vid.
I think people are biased to MR even though they have the similar issues because OW has burned people for years while MR is still fresh and hasn't had a chance to burn people like OW has. I'm sure if the devs of MR don't tone down the sustain or other issues then people will complain just the same. OW is definitely the better game mechanically and fundamentally imo, but they've lost almost all the trust they had with people over the years. MR doesn't have their "2016-2018 OW" to look back to every time they open the game
its true the sustain is crazy in rivals especially in triple support and I hope it get some changes but in overwatch you also have the issue that dps are mostly bad and are a weak role in rivals dps are stronger can in some cases can deal with the insane sustain while in overwatch they keep nerfing the only ways to deal with it (beside widowmaker) also rivals isnt the most competitive game but its competitive enough for the competitive players to enjoy
I’ve got so many people who only watch my videos if I'm criticizing overwatch. I complimented overwatch for one video and said they did something better than rivals and it upset so many people. Most people seem more interested in just hating overwatch than improving games.
It’s truly sad. I’m pretty sure a lot of rivals players just play to shit on OW. They don’t care about the exact same flaws since it’s not OW. They make rivals look terrible with how awful they act. I wonder if they actually like rivals
What the point of trying to improve the game that doesn't want to be improved ? This devs had 8 years to polish game. What we got for being patient ? The downgrade of OW in its worst way.
At this point it is right thing to just hate that garbage. You can't save the one who doesn't want to be saved. Only pity and hate it.
My goat
It's kind of sad that there are so many people who only look to hate on Overwatch in any way possible and they can't just let it go and move on to something they enjoy.
@@sahaakhiyat3703 I am sorry but you sound like a sad individual.
Love how all OW shills brought it to shit then transitioned to rivals with no consequences and i think they will do the same
Freedo
@@Nier73h
Nuh un... 6v6 flat earth 🤪
KarQ and all the support main streamers ruined OW. They just wanted their role to be OP and braindead.
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Nuh uh... 6v6 Flat earth
@@Nier73h
Nuh uh... 6v6 flat
The difference is that OW is trying to balance an unbalanceable game (5v5), nerfing everything down that requires skill, but buffing the "no skill" abilities as powerful as they can be. They literally avoid doing what is needed and try to find as many workarounds as they can.
Marvel Rivals is just simply making everything broken, they don't try to hard balance the game. When they balance they look at what is needed and don't patch in a workaround that breaks half the game.
Problem is they can't even do that effectively, they unironically giga nerfed panther, one of the worst characters, and gave Hela and Hawkeye and nothing nerf that didn't fix anything about them dominating every lobby. And after super buffed every support and nerfed the tanks more. They are just as bad as blizzard
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6v6 makes it leagues above Blizzard
Still not possible to claim that they're the same as Bllizard just from one patch note, I agree that the changes weren't good enough, but it's dishonest to compare Blizzard making terrible balance changes consecutively for 2 entire years, to what MR is doing now just starting the game
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Blizzard has made the same bad choices for at least 7 years
@@arbalest327 blizzard fk up 2 year in a row vs the dev with only 1 patch note lol. Btw black panther is giga strong bro, i dont even know where u got the info that he one of the worst characters, even after the patch most people still considered him best melee dps
The reason I got sick of Overwatch is because it feels like every character is a neutered version of how they were on release. The way that rivals has no problems letting a character be overtuned or overpowered is the exact reason why I find it fun.
It felt like no fun was allowed in Overwatch. Meanwhile, fun is required in Rivals.
I hate the afk easy value characters in rivals. But when overwatch has the easy value there is no counterplay.
Counterpicking/un-1v1able tanks/supports having 5 cooldowns that win a 1v1
Rivals at least i can outplay some of the bs. And everyone has access to some bs so even if you die to some bs you have the ability to outskill the bs or do your bs next game.
Tbf if you had some bs to counter bs you wouldn't be out skilling it's just you can get a kill too it doesn't feel better it's just embracing bad balance, and I think the reason it feels so fun is because of skill inflation ow has been out for 8 years not as many people know everything about MR like they do here.
No because blizzard bad
@@nova-ct7odno, Overwatch does not have skill expression. You play widow, have decent aim and shit on everyone. Or you play a character, get counterswapped, counterswap them and then continue that process until you win, lose or stop
@@AdamSlander888whilst I agree widow isn't hard to play, I think that only goes for people that have kept up with ow. Aiming in ow is deceptively easy looking when someone good at ow is playing. But for the average Joe that doesn't play that much, instant accel and the amount of mobility in ow makes it near impossible for them to hit shots. I've played so much to the point that I find everything that isn't a Hanzo arrow easy to aim. (Idk why but my brain refused to understand the arrow's trajectory to the point that it feels like gambling). Then again fuck them average mf, I want some actual competitive balancing that is balanced around the top players. Every competitive game worth their salt all do this and I will never understand why people see ow as a competitive game when it's simply not balanced for to be competitive.
imo i think at this current stage of both games people are willing to give rivals the benefit of the doubt to kinda smooth out the rough edges, while overwatch has had years and they keep making the same mistakes and ignoring blatant problems for so long that they’re kinda over it. it’s more about player trust and sentiment than the literal balance of both games.
Was looking for this exact comment. Overwatch destroyed all their good will. Netease seems to actually care
It feels like my plays matter more in RIVALS, idk if that’s actually true but I feel more rewarded for the correct plays. MR is not really a competitive game but at least I don’t feel depressed playing it.
i kinda agree, your play matters but at the same time, you really can't stomp lobbies by yourself unless you're just insanely better than the other team, save playing hawkeye. Don't get me wrong, I've gotten my fair share of team wipes with little help because I was hitting heads with funny bow and arrow man, but outside of that and an ult, you're really just doing your part as a cog in the machine. You definitely have to be able to keep up with your team in rivals, but at the same time, you also can't just server admin unless you're just that much better than the lobby
Both games are definitely bullshit, but IMO Marvel Rivals has more counter play to the bullshit. In Rivals it's more easily identified what you could've done different. In Overwatch you feel powerless and must just accept what happened.
It is because of the format 5v5. Most of the time I feel hostage to our tank
How? I feel the opposite. For example dying to a hawkeye ult is bullshit and there's nothing u could've done different to survive that lmao
@@CouchPotatoCrusader ngl hawkeye is the only character that I feel like some characters just can't beat without 2v1ing him he's just so op because one shots that aren't a ult are not healthy for any team shooter game.
there is the same bulshit in marvel but marvel doesnt pretend to be a competitive shooter, its casual fun and it embraces that
Yaaaa but idk if that's a good reason to have bullshit in the game still tho.
That is true, but I do wish Scarlet Witch was deleted.
Overwatch is competitive it's balance is just inconsistent
@@Adventist1997 EXACTLY BRU every Scarlet Bitch I go up against they are just bot walking holding down the fire button auto hitting/killing/assisting throughout the whole match 😑 like...nigga just delete her or rework her. And what's even crazier to think about is for such a complex and vastly strong character they turned her into a absolute pathetically brain dead of a game character to play as smh.
@@gutgrinder200 not a reason to have it but also a reason to not care that much
A lot of players want to use Rivals as a medium to hold Blizzard accountable for all the mistreatment they've given players over the years, and as a result there seems a deep desire from these players for Rivals to succeed and to continue succeeding no matter what. So, they continue to consciously or unconsciously avoid critically analyzing the game because it may lead people to appreciate some of the things OW provides, which would let Blizzard continue to do what they've always done: screw over their player base with no reprecussions because the game they made is still beloved by many people. Honestly, in my opinion I want a game that can TRULY rival OW in terms of gameplay quality so we don't have to play this game of hush mode where we try and bolster Rivals' success as much as possible. Rivals to me feels clunky and doesn't have that competitive focus gameplay wise that I want, and I won't pretend like I don't feel that way just to try and get one over on Blizzard (even if I understand how much they do deserve it).
The reason that its different for me is that OW has always prides itself on its balance and competitiveness. Rivals is more casual and only competitive if you make it that way, not because the devs forced it. Rivals is easily more unbalanced than OW, but that makes it fun because EVERY character is busted, and if they aren't now, they will later like how they buffed Storm. OW devs will tell you Genji is actually better than Kiriko and will ignore him to keep perfect 50%WR. The things that are ridiculous in Rivals are managable for higher elo players because we have 4 ban slots to remove broken characters, or characters that specifically counter a hero we main. OW forces you to play hard meta or lose and will tell you it's fair that Kiriko can do everything under the sun while Mercy can just fly around and look pretty. If a game tells me that everything in it is gonna be bullshit, I'm gonna expect bullshit. If a game tells me it's fair, balanced, and everything is determined by skill, that's what I'll expect.
Moira and Scarlet are the same character, Moira counters some of the highest skill heroes, whilst Scarlet is bad and gets shit on by anyone decent. Widow is a skilless 1 shot that has no risk and all reward, Hawkeye is literally Hanzo but with more fair abilities and better ult that requires much more skill to 1 tap consistently. I may not be able to kill a Luna when they ult, but they damn sure arent killing me on Venom when I have 1900hp. If I sell you a car and tell you it runs like shit you aren't gonna complain because you knew what you were getting, if I lie to you and say it's in peak conditioning you're gonna bring that shit back and get your money back. The games set different expectations, the difference is Rivals is consistent and has a clear goal, while OW says one thing and does the other.
There are things that annoy me in Rivals, but I know I can counter or outplay them on virtually any character or have the opportunity to pick a character just as broken, I'm not locked into playing Mauga for 3 months or I lose, I don't have to have Juno on my team to have a fighting chance, if there's something I don't wanna play against I ban it so I never have to worry. Rivals is more unbalanced but give their players endless options, OW is either pick the correct hero or lose every game while trying to convince you that Genji is actually the best DPS in the roster. It's not bad faith, it's OW having no clue what they even are anymore.
I agree with everything you said.
You are one of the few people I've seen speak about ow being called a competitive game by blizzard but it just simply not one. One thing I want to add is that ow has not once balanced around the top players. (99% of the time at least cause sometimes they would change something for owl) Every competitive video game under the sun that is worth it's salt has done it this way, what makes ow so different that they think they can balance for both high and low ELO? Because doing what they are doing right now doesn't make anyone happy at all. Not the casuals, nor the competitive players.
@inoo2345 It's exactly why I hold them to that standard. They set it themselves. How is Rivals, a casual game able to nerf every single high tier character accurately based on high rank statistics while keeping them good and fun, yet OW will see Genji with a 53%WR and gut him the first 2 weeks of OW2, then proceed to let Soujorn and Kiriko dominate the meta for 7 months straight. OW makes themselves look ridiculous, so much so that anyone defending them comes off as blatantly ignorant or lying. It's 100% fine if you enjoy OW, but don't compare the game to Rivals when the Blizzard devs legitimately have 0 clue what they want for their game and Rivals devs do. You can't call a game hyper competitive and then have characters like Mauga be in the same class as Ball or Doomfist whilst being 1000x better than them and expect anyone to take you seriously.
@@HOSShadow I saw someone saying that the people complaining about the balance were the ones that ruined ow. Haven't heard something more tone deaf in a while. They don't realize that they aren't actually pointing the blame at the people who have control over ow. The thing that ruined ow in my eyes is not wanting to go fully wacky casual shooter or fully hardcore competitive game. I still play the game because even marvel rivals can't replace the feeling ow gives me. It's funny to me that that person who said the people complaining are the cause of ow's downfall, doesn't realize that the people complaining are the only ones left that care about the game going in a good direction.
@inoo2345 The devs have ultimately killed both versions of OW, and people are trying to use Bobby as a scapegoat. The lack of communication and hubris of the devs got the better of them. They've listened to their community 0 times and paid heavily for it. We tell them to rework OW1 Brig, they nerf her 27 times and buff Reaper, now we have role queue. We ask for Hero bans, we get Hero pools, and a cat chooses who I get to play for a week. We ask them to remove Bap lamp, they buff him and make double shield oppressive. We ask for a Sig or Orisa rework, we get 5v5. We ask for Global Heal/Dmg nerfs across the board, we get S9 changes increasing HP/Dmg/Heals and adding ridiculous passives. We ask for the original 6v6 with the Oct 2020 balance patch, we get 6v6 with S9 changes, passives, and increased bullet sizes.
The only reason we got 6v6 was because they were terrified that Rivals was around the corner and knew they couldn't bullshit around like they always do. They've actively made fun of 6v6'ers, called us blinded and delusional, but now they magically care about 6v6 because they have competition for the first time in years. Well they took too long, people like me and many others have moved on because I can't trust Blizzard to do right by the community. They've already killed my main Genji and made my favorite role tank miserable, so there's nothing keeping me attached anymore. It's only a matter of time until Rivals adds a character that fits someone's playstyle in OW and converts them. They've already lost some of their biggest streamers, and with it, their communities. 6v6 was their final card to play, and they failed miserably. We've given them so many chances and believed in them for years, so I feel no sympathy watching the game slowly die, I wish it wasn't this way. I really wanted them to try with 6v6 and I hoped they would deliver and they didn't. They've genuinely killed my ability to care about OW anymore.
2:38 overwatch had eight years to decide on how they wanted to balance and the direction the game was going to go in then they lied to us about PVE overall, the reason why overwatch isn’t allowed any amount of grace is because they had not only a Headstart, but they lied to us
I think the reason why people don't mind is because some ults can kill through a support ult in comparison to overwatch and because of the ban system people don't get nearly as mad when playing against some bull because it rotates in and out. And people don't get as mad being cc in the game because its 3rd person, idk why but it's just like that. Finally no role q is all casual really players wanted.
Not to mention, the broken parts of support are their ULTIMATES, if you use a dps ult and they pop a supp ult, yeah it’s annoying it does so much healing but at least it’s an ultimate u got out. Overwatch has immo field and suzu, you could pop a dps ult and oops kiri had her 15 second cooldown, guess you can’t kill anyone. Even then, yes Luna ult does insane healing but enough burst can kill through it like an Ironman ult, nothing can kill through suzu, a cooldown. Adam warlock has mass rez, but it’s an ultimate and they spawn at half health, mercy has a 30 second cooldown that respawns ppl at full health
@@SamWhite-pg7bj eh luna and mantis both have a 10 second stun. cloak has a suzu with a wider range then suzu
@GhostbladeX101 a stun, that can be blocked and countered, vs an immortality, cleanse, intangibility, burst heal that can't really be interrupted and once thrown has no real counterplay. Mantis and Lunas stuns r equivalent to an Ana sleep, nobody is calling for Ana sleep to be removed from the game. Plus cloaks immo gets removed if any teammates, jump, shoot or do anything other than walking, in a regular match with randoms, it's not affecting most people, bc most ppl immediately remove the effect from themselves on accident or on purpose
@@GhostbladeX101both their stuns are skillshots lil bro, mantis has like 0 range so at most she stuns divers and Luna can easily miss hers in the chaotic fights and then she has nothing else for defense
@kanjonojigoku8644 luna sure it's a skill shot. Mantis's stun is not a skill shot it's so easy to hit
Hero bans solve almost everything you brought up.
Don’t want to play against Hawkeye? Banned!
Don’t want to play against Widow? Too bad!!
What if there are more than 4 annoying heroes? Wait a minute… there are
@@GREED_EU you have some agency in one scenario and zero agency in the other. I don’t think there is a perfect way to please every player, every game.
You mentioned that streamers are ignoring issues with Rivals while ripping Overwatch apart. Overwatch has consistently burned bridges and outright lied about content/choices they made. The history of Overwatch is already tainted.
Marvel Rivals isn’t perfect, but it doesn’t have the same baggage. I don’t have the same expectations for Rivals as I did Overwatch. When Rivals devs start making claims and not delivering, then we can get upset. For now it’s the first season, just enjoy the craziness of a new game.
@@GREED_EUlike what? Hela is nerfed and you can ban Luna snow hawkeye cloak and dagger and Luna snow and boom problem solved?
@@mr.froggy2899 Hawkeye nowadays isn't really popular after nerfs, so he's not that much of a threat(Hela still is)
@@Rezlusiowa I brought it up because when he says one shots I’m assuming he is talking abt Hawkeye
Rivals is fun i don't want them to gut the character's like they did in OW.
“No one is capable of having an argument in good faith” is exactly why I hate interacting with these communities. It is physically impossible for a competitive gamer to be able to even CONSIDER anything except skill issue… unless it’s about them of course. Then their complaints are valid. Game health and what leads to healthy player development, things being fun and interactive, good intuitive design- no one cares about actually trying to focus on things that make the game better. They just say skill issue. And I get it- I get that no one is taught to be introspective, refine their own positions logically, and be intellectually honest (with themselves too, not just with others), but Jesus Christ interacting with these people is torture. It’s just hard actually caring enough to care.
It’s at least reassuring to know that there are other people who acknowledge that it’s a massive problem.
I was going through this yesterday l had left a comment about wanting to know this youtubers sensitivity on psylock and I explained a lil bit of my frustration on not being able to find a good sensitivity for my aim. This random dude said "no it's simple your aim sucks " it's a skill issue." I was trying to explain to him that my aim is decent and I wanted some sensitivity recommendations so it can possibly feel comfortable/constant. But he kept saying/going back to the same thing "it's a skill issue" "your aim is bad".
@@gutgrinder200perhaps there's a sens calculator for marvel rivals already? If that exists you can do that to at least translate your preferred sens from ow into MR. Ofc that doesn't say it's gonna feel great but it hopefully should be what you are used to.
The only left to give me a tiny amount of dopamine is finding out I Smurf their peak
A lot of it too is that Marvel Rivals is still a very new game right now so people aren't as tired of some of the nonsense as Overwatch players having to deal with their game's issues for *years.* And yeah, sure, there's a lot of annoyances the two games share (instalocking DPS that can't DPS, nobody pushing cart, unkillable characters, etc...), but whereas Overwatch can feel exhausting after finally being able to cap a long-fought point, it doesn't feel nearly as overwhelming or as time-consuming when you do so on Rivals by comparison.
A common thing I've heard people say is that "losing in Marvel Rivals feels better than winning in Overwatch 2," which I think perfectly encapsulates how people are feeling about both games right now.
The only difference for me at least, is most of my matches aren't full of people scapegoating or complaining about stats in Rivals like they do constantly in Overwatch.
Though I'm sure that change in a couple more months. Oh, also the report system
Don’t forget about the many broken promises blizzard did. It’s not just about the balance and all that. MR just gave us 2 heroes in one shot and put in the work compared to overwatch. Plus, the which game is better stuff was the same with Paladins and overwatch few years back and now it’s a problem. But I agree with the comments about the OW shills.
Exactly what I was thinking. People hate Moira aim lock but Rivals has way more bullshit aim lock and semi aim lock heroes where you take damage because they shoot a stationary object. Sustain is bad in OW but multiple support ults in Rivals are trans on steroids and you don't have anti so the only thing you can do is wait it out or oneshot. Mass rez and single rez are bullshit but mass rev over a duration and instant single rez are fine. Lamp is bullshit but lamp that turns damage into heal is fine. Sleep dart is annoying but sleep grenade on Zen is fine. Rivals is a great game but the bullshit it has are often more aggregious than OW, yet nobody talks about them.
Rivals has a ton going for it, but I still play Overwatch because it still feels to me, even after this last performance mode patch and mouse accel patch, that Rivals characters do not feel as fluid to me.
That is the most important thing to me, how the characters feel to play.
I used to play third person games like Ninja Gaiden Black 20 years ago, and those third person mechanics are still better than Rivals implementation of third person.
I will continue to try Rivals after each major patch, but so for there is no character that feels even close to how it feels to play Ryu Hayabusa in NGB.
Thank you for this video because I thought I was going insane.
Really glad someone pointed this out. I was talking to my brother the other day about how rivals already feels like there’s way too much healing. In the same vain, while I like rivals and have played it a fair bit, there is not a single character in the game that’s nearly as fun or polished as characters like Genji, Tracer, Ana, or Doomfist ect. While I am having fun with the game, there is not a single character that I’ve been able to grind/fall in love with
@@MrNocturnOwl omg same here I thought I was the only one having this problem I haven’t found any of the characters I want to mean yet
same tbh, i havent had a character i really like in rivals either. im still having fun with the game but oh well
@@sataniaterumi9122 problem is, half of them are counterintuitive designs or boring stun/poke simulators, and the well designed ones are unplayable right now due to the aforementioned being so overpowered they dominate them
Doomfist was a fine polished character but since he dropped into the worst role , they just make stronger versions of him now like Venture gaining health by doing a skill where as Doom has to hit is already unfair and Hazard is just a way better Tank Doomfist these team just doesnt care as long as they can sell skins
when hanzo got his one shot back, one guy on tik tok was bitching about it but when hawk guy came out, he said that that rivals cooked with this design etc. and wow the hero is hated 24/7 was over S tier etc. turn a blind eye cuz he got the creater program
I can only speak for myself but a lot of the gripes I have with Overwatch come down to the developers and their ability to manage the game. The Marvel devs have already shown infinitely more engagement with the community and they're receptive to the concerns and address them promptly. Meanwhile Overwatch you have to wait entire seasons to get some over produced garbage where they ignore anything relevant and then turn around and try to sell you $50 weapon skins.
Here's my take on this, if Overwatch was in 3rd person you wouldn't tell the difference, and also Overwatch players are binching about problems that are impossible to fix and they never will be yet they are coping about the same problems in Rivals because they want Overwatch to change and improve. Give them one year. It's so easy for someone like me that plays all of these games casually to watch someone like Flats for example and see how delusional he is. I know a simple fix for all of Overwatch issues but if applied it would've transformed the game into an already existing one that why not go play that instead.
Flats pisses me tf off bro
I get what youre saying im glad some one is saying it too. The bot lobbies, the performance issues, the balance its all flaws that do need to be addressed (maybe less so the balance i like my goofy lopsided power) also lets not forget the fact a winnie the pooh joke gets you banned
what I liked about Overwatch is that the heroes aren't all overpowered and you have to actually think while you play but with Rivals I think that if everyone is op it loses the ability to be more skilled. OW and MR are two different games people just want to compare them because OW is having a tough time right now and MR is the new game, in OW not many heroes have the ability to one shot but in MR everyone is so broken and strong that a lot of them can one shot. MR is run in mash buttons, OW is strats, the problem with Rivals is that nobody wants to admit that it has a mountain of problems and act as if OW is nothing but a bad game, forget what shill content creators say or dramatic people in the comments or the forums say, both games are fun and OW isn't dying.
Well they are just blinded by the novelty, once it runs out they will point out the issues. I have never played a multiplayer game where everything is balanced. It just seems impossible.
If you look at the raw numbers, then Marvel’s opponents have a lot of damage, but when it comes to Overwatch, context is important, usually tanks complain about this, obviously because of the 5v5 format this problem becomes even more acute and this is the second context.
In Marvel rivals you have a second tank that covers you, add support that is difficult to kill, the result is tanks live longer.
I also forgot to mention that some characters receive shields to health, so in the case of marvel rivals, large damage is a necessary measure so that the battle does not take long.
the difference here is that, overwatch had like 8 years to not be a horrendously balanced, 10-15 minutes of suffering where skillless or unfun gameplay is rewarded.
rivals might also have some low skill level heroes but they arent insanely OP like someone like moira or mauga.
the reason rivals is viewed as so much better is because it literally just got here, the fun stuff like teamups and wacky strats with portals or other cooky stuff which is not only super entertaining but alot of the time it actually works. all the roles are strong and have carry potential. rivals is seen in such a good light because its fun in a way overwatch hasnt been for years. every character feels distinct and fun, every role contributes a lot and theres a lot of lore for nerds that the devs actually care about.
not to mention the immaculate skins which are priced better. also the battlepass not being time locked means the FOMA is removed. its just a better experience overall
grinding overwatch comp feels like clocking in to a miserable job whereas rivals makes me feel like im a little kid playing halo or COD with my boys all over again
born too late to experience the world, born too early to experience the universe, born just in time to experience Greed making a good video again
I genuinely am not having fun with Rivals or Overwatch so I’m playing neither, but I’m still gonna hate on Blizzard and Ow with my friends because of the straight up animosity that we feel to Blizzard, I know completely that Marvel Rivals isn’t that much better in a lot of aspects but at least they haven’t “destroyed my childhood” quite like Blizzard has done with Overwatch over the years. It’s kind of just cathartic and I think that’s how a lot of people view it unfortunately
When people get used to playing Rivals, I think in around 3 months they will see the flaws.
It won't be as bad as Overwatch has been, but it is a casual game that people will take more competitively as time goes on.
Overwatch based on my Enjoyment levels:
2016: 200%
2017: 130%
2018: 110%
2019: 100%
2020: 80%
2021: 60%
2022: 40%
2023: 60%
2024: 15%
2025: 0% I have yet to play a match in this holy year.
I mean, it's just a matter of time, everyone is enjoying now because it's new.
6:53 as a new Hammond main who probably eaten every stun, sleep,hooked, or whipshot, i can say it’s equally aggravating to be playmaking in rivals then getting Bucky’d outta existence, or diving backlines or getting slept or froze, or all 3
it's almost like these are game design problems and not OW problems.
The reason I think those problems were in overwatch and not in rivals is one, there are other things that they enjoy far more, so the things dislikes don't feel as bad... And most importantly whenever a character feels broken, they can be banned (banning is not available from lower rank players, but the youtubers making videos on Marvel all are in higher rank, so they don't hate the broken characters as much)
As soon I played Season 1 I immediately noticed how powerful Strategists were, and it kinda scares me to think that they may be just as broken as OW's supports if this goes on
1:13 the difference is EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IS BS that’s what makes it fun
Are we genuinely trying to say that Groot is on the same level as magneto, strange, luna, or mantis? Because it you can argue in good faith here and agree that groot is not as strong them then what you just said is completely wrong
@ yes 😭 he’s so annoying to play against especially with good cd usage. i’m not even talking from a rivals fan pov, im literally in a ow rank Q as i type this. i genuinely believe the game is more fun than ow cuz every character is broken, now some are easier to play than others ill agree. it’s definitely not a competitive game either and doesn’t need to be, cuz it’s fun
@@GREED_EU saying every character is BS is not the same as saying every character is equally strong, I think most people would agree with that.
Also I hear people complaining about supports being broken in rivals (leading to the rise of groot + moonknight who can kill through their ults), one shots being unfun (hawkeye and widowmaker both do this), dps being unequal in strength, all sorts of things. Could just be the content I consume though
Part of it is certainly that people have been CC locked to death in Overwatch for 8 years now and in Rivals for a month. The design decisions are already being questioned and it'll only go up with time
Overwatch has lit itself on fire for nearly 7 years and within that time has just been on a continuous downward spiral, you can’t save something that doesn’t want to be saved at all
I agree. Honestly I haven't been playing either lately, once I hit gm in rivals idk it feels like I beat the game already l know I could get higher rank but I just don't enjoy this games peaks as much as peak overwatch. Since neither game scratches that itch I just casually play both sometimes but past couple weeks idk there's no motivation TBH
It is the same problem, both games are luck based. But rivals has actually good movement and all issues can be fixed by tweaking some numbers. Rivals also listens to the players so far, Hawkeye is the only 1 shot character and he'll be nerfed this season along with hella. The game is 6v6 and open queue and had hero bans. Rivals is just what overwatch should be, they still have a ways to go tho.
tbh rivals is in its honeymoon phase, give it a few months and theyll start complaining i think, overwatch is unplayable for me rn and rivals is pretty fun casually with friends but shit like hela and the supports make me not want to play it competitively
Until you play tank, which is just completely unplayable now post launch unless you are magneto, strange or peni.
Exactly give it a few patches
@@sataniaterumi9122 I'd rather go back to the beta then wait another month for them to hopefully fix it, last time they just made the game 20x worse by adding immortal simulator and brig 2.0
@@arbalest327tank in rivals just feels so bad to play imo even if some of them are strong. They just felt really slow and clunky to me
@@BigPro1123it's because you are constantly having your ability to play the game taken away with stuns, slows, and absurdly high burst damage like Hawkeye. I'm literally a cosmetic shield for my team, it's insane how much they baby everything else but leave tank to take all the bullshit
I think people will be ok with these problems until time passes and they become dedicated players. If you're casually playing, you might not care about burst damage/cc, etc. But if you invest your time in the game and specific heroes, it'll become a lot more frustrating and players will want those problems fixed.
I 100% agree. I do say cuz its 6v6 its not as bad and people do complain about healing and DMG so if youre not talking about one specific person im not sure what you really mean
Your videos make me want to play Oblivion, most funny game and with NPCs that feel alive(don't take it too literal). Truly the only one that you can have fun
Thank you for being the only creator to call this out.
Realth has also been talking about this but he isn't that popular... It's sad how the biggest content creators encourage this behavior within their communities.
MR is 6v6 already making it better and if everythings broken then the game is somewhat blanched unlike OW which has dps like genji who they made dogshi and then you got broken heros like mei who force you to play counterwatch
And blizzard has been doing thing and making the same mistakes for years while MR just came out
@@UndercookedBread Genji is one of the top dps currently in the game also Mei is mid of the pack.
@@PunchM3 I haven’t played in months, the last time i played mei was one of the best and genji was D tier to most player. Thanks for keeping me informed
The best review for Rivals I've seen is one on the steam page that went something along the lines of "It's not as good as Overwatch 1, but it's better than OW2" which is pretty much spot on. It doesn't hook me like OW1 did and it has alot of nonsense, but I can actually have fun unlike OW2 where because I played OW1 and it was so much better I just spend the whole time wishing I could go back. Also rivals has to potential to improve, OW2 imo is too far gone at this point.
"Its a casual game" is their excuse from what I've been seeing, they think being casual is an excuse for having terrible balance
People just want to hop on and have fun. It’s so literally minority a very strict minority of players that watch or even know about patch notes No one cares about balance anymore.
Balance and games always kills it. ( it’s only influences who complained about that.) and it only affects a minority of the player base. Vocal minority that makes the noice
Game has had one balance patch. We need to give it time. It took 20+ brig nerfs for her to still be one of the best characters in the game. You guys are treating rivals like it's been out for years, but then turning around like ow2 is the new game so they have to give it some time.
Yeah. It's been rough playing Rivals. Im so tired of characters getting shielding after using abilities, supports pushing out too much healing, stacked kits, etc. To me it feels like they didn't really learn anything from OW mistakes. Aside from heroes not being locked behind a battlepass. Some heroes are just poorly designed.
Greed-Eu luna snow cosplay when
No,no, Juno or Mercy please.
@@deadspace4755the things I would do to see a hog cosplay
I hope this all makes sense but I do think in all honesty this could all be attributed to mix of four factors;
1. Its still the new shiny thing
2. No role Queue, allowing for more variation between matches for better and for worse. Also with open Queue allowing you to be far more flexible mid match it helps alleviate frustration. If a role is lacking you can much more easily do something about it.
3. Incredibly fast Queue times. There's a lot less time to ruminate on terrible matches, so people are generally going to be less upset when the frustration has less time to sit and fester.
4. Blizzard fatigue. People are generally just sick and tired of blizzard in general, especially with how far they've fallen from their peak with the constant scandals and corporate greed.
How to counter op heroes? Make them all op. -Marvel Rivals
Love both OW2 and Marvel Rivals
Whiners like these were the ones who killed Overwatch, complaining that the games were too long, that there were too many stuns, etc. Thanks to them, we now have the shitty 5v5, shitty reworks, and constant complaints that if one role is unbalanced, the others aren't, leading to constant changes that, to top it off, are also bad. So, frankly, Fuck that and fuck ow2.
The "everyone is unbalanced" of Marvel Rivals is at least fun, because if you're really good with one hero, you can beat anyone else. This, as expected, makes the game three times more entertaining than Overwatch. Honestly, I hope Overwatch content creators, at least this time, keep quiet so as not to ruin another game.
No it wasn't people complaining about balance, it was team 4 being incapable of balancing the game properly. They only had 2 paths and chose neither. They didn't want to commit to a wacky game because they saw the dollars signs when looking at the potential of ow's pro scene starting with Apex back in 2017 and so they started the overwatch league. Then at the same time they didn't commit to the game actually being a competitive game by balancing around the pros/top players like every other competitive game ever. The people that are the best at absolutely breaking ow's balance are the pros and high rank players yet not once did they ask for feedback on how to fix the balance. It's an industry standard to balance around the top unless the game isn't competitive. What they need to do is choose one or the other but blizzard wants their cake and eat it too.
It was the content creators with toxic positivity like Your overwatch and warn.
the last good marvel anything was the blade trilogy with Wesley Snipes
Gonna have to hit you with the Overwatch May 24 2016 vs Marvels Rivals 19 December 2024. 8 years vs less than a month.
What does this have to do with anything? If it feels like shit, it feels like shit. Idc if the shit is 8 years old or a day old, shit is shit.
Marvel rivals is fun but lacks the same competitive appeal as OW but OW is extremely unfun with a somewhat competitive nature best way I can put it.
There are a lot of Differences between the two that makes Marvel Rivals so much better
For one i started playing Overwatch after watching the many amazing cinematics and started to care for characters like Reinhardt and Bastion but all that is now gone. These characters went from Icons that everyone loved to sad hospital patient slowly dying and withering away to the point you don't even recognize them anymore.
Then there is also the fact you can ban stuff you don't like.. besides that every hero feels like a HERO, Insanely unique and weird and fun to play while overwatch they all feel the same like everything Unique got removed and they all turned into a grey blob to fit their role.
Overwatch is just a old dementia patient in it's death bed that itself dosen't even know what it is or what it was
It's honestly just sad.
100% agree.... Tribalism in games... Grow up people!
I'd rather live in a world of Crowd Control, then whatever happened to McCree/Cassidy & Mei.
There maybe too many stuns in Rivals, but considering half the characters are hyper mobile kids on speed, you need them. Otherwise you become a cowboy with less viability and no survivability, in a world where stationary defensive characters are now dead and mobility reigns with every new character.
the fact i played this game for the first time as luna AND GOT 25 and 0 SAID SOMETHING ABOT HOW BROKEN THE GAME ACTUALLY IS
My favourite part is how people are praising Rivals for not being too competitive and just letting it be unbalanced, ridiculous and a fun casual game etc. And these very same people have spent the last 9 years whining about how unbalanced Overwatch is (quite rightly.)
I think rivals having less random bullshit that can kill you makes you feel more "in-control" than ow does. That and rivals having a somewhat slower pace helps as well.
Supports are definetly too strong in rivals. Even more so than overwatch i think which is saying a lot.
Marvel Rivals has a huge advantage cause its respawn time is so fast. Makes the BS way less impactful
Long time watcher first time commenter, I think the problem with OW is that it faltered on the competitive side and casual side. I'm a masters/diamond casual player. I quit OW2 in season 13. Why Rivals gets a pass for its ridiculous shit is that the format and majority of the playerbase don't have a united perspective because the games are played so vastly different. In OW, the majority of the playerbase didn't play real dive, double shield, GOATS, beyblade, etc. Their games were all over the place. When the meta DID start to effect them, they were a higher rank. The game always become stale because it isn't fun to play the same characters all the time. The game was never meant to be a balanced game. It was a casual experience. Players wanted it to be, but the game never built the infrastracture to make it such. Overtime, the restrictions put in place compounded and led to the most restrictive game which we now have as OW2. The problems of OW2 are foundational, where as in OW1, outside of meta slave/high elo, they average player didn't experience it. It got a pass because bronze players didnt know how to play GOATS, coordinate dives, or double shields. They barely land consistent shots. But due to 5vs5 format, structurally, you can point to and see with the in game stats who the problem is. Counterswapping is king, supports are way overtuned (because they have to be because the majority of the playerbase isn't that good), and dps are stuck in this weird balance state of useless if you can't aim. Casuals have a bad experience because characters have become much harder to use and skilled players have a miserable time because the foundation is so bad.
I'm plat currnetly in MR, i'm starting to see the triple support meta, but its still far more likely to watch hawkeyes/helas dominate games or hulk/iron man dominate games. So the average player isn't experiencing this stuff. Solely from a high elo player, you're absolutely right, but for the majority of the playerbase, it doesn't ring true. All of this to say, MR perspective isn't trying to be this super competitive esport, and OW did try, and when it did, the experiences destroyed the game for both casual players and skilled players.
the healing in rivals is absurd I hit gm 2 then just couldnt keep playing cuz there is like 3 zen ults on crack
More characters are playable and time to kill is lower in Rivals so I'm staying there
i would dashed cree in that first fight whether or not juno came to help😭
It's because it doesn't feel as bad in Rivals than in OV2, I watched a full stack of DPS go against a full stack of support players in Rivals.
What sucks in 5v5 sucks less in 6v6. When you’re not having fun, the balance problems seem a big issue but the lack of fun has more complex causes. 5v5 is so gratingly tedious to play that no wonder people are leaving for Rivals or saying OW is worse - even though Rivals has serious issues - because 5v5 is a dismal tedious mode, especially in comp. For me, 5v5 is not the OW I originally signed up to play, in any way. I’ve been playing 6v6 (now stupidly in Arcade, but not counted as Arcade for challenge purposes) non-stop and having a lot of fun. I can’t bear to go back to comp because it’s 5v5 … it’s just a grind.
I agree bro, the comp mode in rivals is just not it yet 😂
Good video mate, I agree with what you've said here.
nah bro the sustain in rivals is maddening. so much wosre than ow in my opinion
the problem i have with rivals is the fact i literally cant play it because it takes me so long to load into a match that its literally half way down by the time im in
my pc is completely fine, theres just some weird bug with the engine or smth that makes it unplayable
Completely agree, even tho I've been almost fully converted to rivals and quit ow (again²), I can say with utmost confidence that cc in rivals is way worse than ever in ow, even tho I like it better than ow at the moment. Playing tank sometimes feels so bad, getting iced, slept, kidnapped and getting 2 shot by Hawkeye every 5 sec
Marvel rivals is a perfect game hand crafted to be the greatest game ever
no i agree, theres a lot thats similar to ow in rivals. ive been playing spiderman and starlord, i plan to play panther later as well. but having to play as spiderman or panther against characters that dont have to aim like wanda or cloak is quite bull. or having to play against a namor with his turrets and slow is insane or having to perform 2x more than others for half the rewards is insane. then people like to complain and say "ggs" before match begins just cause i picked spiderman or smthn is beyond
Everyone has some sort of CC and abuse potential towards others in MR, and also escape movement ability.
So nobody is that upset. Plus the stuns are (feel) so much shorter!
And it's so much harder to land them precisely in MR, while in OW... if you are the stun target, you get stunned.
OW (in its current state) is done.
I completely disagree with everything you just said
@@GREED_EU It is your right to be wrong.
I’m just thankful I don’t have to play against Mauga and Sombra anymore, won’t be going back to that anytime soon.
As a creator as well what frustrates me is that people who HATE Overwatch take that hate to hate on anyone who's still playing Overwatch. I specifically make overwatch workshop content which there is no workshop in marvel rivals, yet 25% of my comments say "play marvel rivals, you're still playing this dead game HAHAHAHA. Look at this guy still playing overwatch". The irony is that I DO play marvel rivals and I DO like it, but these people are telling people "you're not allowed to play/enjoy overwatch because marvel rivals exists". These people piss me off so much. I have never cared when people would comment saying I look ugly, or that I "look like an overwatch player", but now that my channel views and income from youtube/tiktok have been NUKED by marvel rivals they are rubbing it into my face that I still "play" Overwatch. Man the internet is full of degenerate and hateful people.
My theory is that the breakpoints in Rivals are better but also that you can climb in marvel rivals with a negative win rate so the people are more successful in rivals ranked than overwatch. It gives the illusion they are better than they actually are. Humans will gravitate towards what they are successful in. Basically Rivals is the easier game but they don't realize it entirely.
As a long casual OW gamer (1 year after the first launch) and a now MR enjoyer and it's probably the F2P that i have the most hours in, you have a lot of fair points. Supports that making you almost immortal and all the other things that you have said are genuinely correct. One difference there is is that OW had almost 9 years to fix it where MR just came out. I'm not saying that in the future, especially after that we know how the hero schedule will be handled, of MR we will never seen such a bad taste of imbalance like OW2 as rn but it's kinda more excusable. Even OW at launch was so crazy and OW Classic made it clear but both OW1 and MR were fullfilling the hero fantasy spot much more than OW2 as rn. Neglecting the problems is crazy and it's an objective nad behaviour but you had 8 years to manage to resolve that problems and they are still there
There are still aspects of rivals that are the same but way less painful, take the one shot sniper characters for example. Widowmaker changes the ENTIRE pace of a match, she can take space simply by existing but Hawkeye just cant. Just cause he one shots doesnt make him nearly as powerful or as painful
He’s totally right about this. The real reason Overwatchs community is tripping over Rivals is because Overwatch is old. Rivals doesn’t do that much different or new.
The sad thing is that blizzard is so stubborn. In the event that marvel rivals wins out for best game blizzard will not change much.
They shown their stubbornness with how they handled 6v6 in which they continue too do.
I do not see Blizzard saying "Wow marvel rivals is winning, We need to make our shop more consumer friendly and not rip people off by selling epic skins at legendary cost. We need to put the pve back on the to do list. We need to make 6v6 a part of the main qp and comp listings. We need to improve how we approach balancing from now on. We will hire staff to look over our report and manage reports and we will revise our rues page to be more clear to prevent further confusion we will bring back aspects the people loved from the previous game and make improvements to existing features"
(Well buff Genji) /j x3
Blizzard will keep doing what it is doing what they do and no amount of players leaving or saying marvel rivals is better will change that any. It is the sad truth but that is Blizzard for ya.
The reason is because they are treating overwatch like an ex. People dont love rivals just because they love it, they love it be ause they want to hate overwatch and they want this to be some kind of message to overwatch in the hope overwatch will change and take them back.
Wait is he talking about OW or OW2 ? Big differences
Genuinely thank you for saying these things, I've been going insane seeing all the hypocrisy and double standards it's crazy.
Completely true. People are being SUPER charitable to rivals right now, even when it has almost everything they hated in ow: super tanks that don't die, insane healing, one shots, etc. A lot of it is the game being new and people not knowing the matchups yet, but also part of it is definitely people hating ow and just because it's a different game it's better. It's herd mentality, the player base at large is enjoying the game and not critiquing it, so individuals feel less inclined to. It's the same thing with streamers right now, even if they're not having fun they still won't go back to ow because everyone is playing rivals and they don't want to be the first one.
Good job I've been permanently of the camp that Rivals, good or not, would actually be good for OW in the long run so long as team 4.5 finally pull their thumbs out of their asses.
Also as for 'same thing' between both games, as someone who finds OW unplayable now, in rivals a lot of issues are being solved by bans and similar issues aren't necessarily affecting things as badly just because of the way that everything is being intentionally overtuned rather than some things being wayyyy stronger than others (of course, S0 had outliers in Hela and Hawkeye, for example, though)
womp w, omp
Rivals and OW may be similar.
But the fun comes from being able to make big plays and be rewarded for it in rivals. And DPS actually feels like a role. In OW, DPS feels like a complement to what supports and the tank plays unless its a One-Shot like Widow or Sojo with Dmg buff
While your in OW major plays can be denied with a simple press of a button. True fun comes comes from playmaking... not denying.
And ofc he has heart crosshair to show dominance
I like both games equally. But I’ve chosen the secret third option and have been playing Splatoon 3 for the Nintendo switch. It honestly has what people want in team games. Great movement, high skill ceiling, fair snipers, fair one shots, nothing is majorly OP must picks. Nothing is a throw pick. Different playstyles to pick from. Good competitive modes. Solo carry potential. Fun team play (4v4) One of their only downsides is the maps aren’t too great
It’s genuinely what I think players would want but won’t play it cause it’s Nintendo. One of the best shooters I’ve ever played. Definitely better than OW2 and won best multiplayer game in 2022 beating OW2
Imho I think people are waiting to see what the devs will tune before complaining. They’ve only put out one patch since rivals release. Rivals also has a ban system so to get one shots out if you don’t wanna play that. Whereas overwatch doesn’t listen and has been out for almost 8 years. I think rivals is better than ow2 so I’m also biased. But can agree w the flaws you mentioned about rivals. Good vid.
Greed Can you make a video about content creators aswell and the mass switch they pulled.
I think people are biased to MR even though they have the similar issues because OW has burned people for years while MR is still fresh and hasn't had a chance to burn people like OW has. I'm sure if the devs of MR don't tone down the sustain or other issues then people will complain just the same. OW is definitely the better game mechanically and fundamentally imo, but they've lost almost all the trust they had with people over the years. MR doesn't have their "2016-2018 OW" to look back to every time they open the game
its true the sustain is crazy in rivals especially in triple support and I hope it get some changes
but in overwatch you also have the issue that dps are mostly bad and are a weak role
in rivals dps are stronger can in some cases can deal with the insane sustain while in overwatch they keep nerfing the only ways to deal with it (beside widowmaker)
also rivals isnt the most competitive game but its competitive enough for the competitive players to enjoy
A lot of these comments are reading as if Rivals is the rebound guy
rivlas has jeff and jeff= perfect nerf genji buff rein fire the devs