Apostles’ Creed vs. Nicene Creed
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- What is the Apostles' Creed and how is it different from the Nicene Creed?
The word creed comes from the Latin word "credo," which means believe. We begin a statement of our Christian beliefs with the word "credo" or "I believe..."
Origins of the Creeds
The Nicene Creed was formulated over a series of centuries in the early Church beginning with the Council of Nicaea (325), from which the creed gets its name, and amended in the Council of Constantinople in 381.
Originally, the Nicene Creed was developed in response to the heretical beliefs about Jesus being spread by a Christian leader named Arius. The Catholic bishops, pope, and the Emperor Constantine gathered to affirm the Church's beliefs about the one God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The Apostles' Creed probably developed between the 2nd and the 5th centuries. We have the first written account of this creed in AD 450 in Gaul (modern-day France). The text can be traced back earlier to the Old Roman Creed, which is referenced by some of the early Church Fathers.
Why is the Apostles' Creed named after the Twelve Apostles?
While there is a tradition that the Apostles' Creed originated with the Apostles, there is no evidence that they wrote the words themselves. However these creeds express our belief in the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This Trinitarian belief originates in Jesus's Great Commission of the Apostles in Matthew 28 to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Accepting the Triune God was an essential part of baptism from the very beginning of the Church. Later this belief was formulated into the creeds.
The The Apostles' Creed, however, is divided up into twelve articles just like the Twelve Apostles.
What are the major differences and similarities between the creeds?
The Nicene Creed is much longer and more descriptive, but there are also certain articles that appear in the Apostles' Creed that are not in the Nicene Creed.
The Nicene Creed is very descriptive about Jesus's humanity and divinity because it was formulated in response to misguided teachings of Arius and other heresies.
The Apostles Creed includes two phrases that are not found in the Nicene Creed:
First, "he descended into hell" referring to the time in between Jesus's death and resurrection when he welcomed all righteous souls into salvation.
Also, "the communion of saints," which refers to the holy men and women in heaven who remain united with us through the Church.
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Very nice direct comparison for understanding both in simple straight forward old fashioned using hand lettering. Love it. A plus. You earned a subscriber! God Bless All and May Peace Be With You. 🙏😇❤️
The Nicene Creed says,
“God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.”
“begotten, not made”.
Literally, “begotten” and “made” are the same.
Doesn’t “begotten” imply “made”?
So literally this verse is contradictory. “begotten, not made”.
So there must be a profound meaning to this verse, that is:
At a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father.
Through practice in many lifetimes, He has eradicated all sins and sinful nature, and fully restored divinity and spirituality.
The full divinity and spirituality of the Christ were not made, so He was not made.
The reason why it can be explained in this way is because there are many lifetimes.
Without many lifetimes, there’s no way to explain “begotten, not made”.
Many lifetimes after being begotten, eventually the Christ was not made.
Without “many lifetimes”, “begotten” and “made” would be the same.
So this explanation is at least understandable in theory.
--Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
Thanks for the explanation. I came from a Presbyterian Church which used the Apostles creed. I'm now in an Anglican Church which uses the Nicene creed. Both are great but the Nicene creed more fully expresses what we should believe.
If you want to be a Catholic.
@@edcarson3113 Or orthodox or any major form of protestant christianity. The majority of christian denominations accept the nicene creed
Anglicans use both creeds as regular part of corporate worship. Looking to the Book of Common Prayer, the Apostles Creed is to be recited as part of Morning Prayer and The Nicene Creed as part of the Eucharist . Both are summary statements of what all Christians should be able to agree upon according to Holy Scripture.
Dont fool yourself. You are not proclaiming the Nicean Creed in any heretic gathering of self named followers of the Son of Marry, if it states that The Holly Spirit proceeds from the Father (and the son). The three words inside the brackets are not in the Nicean Creed. So the so called text you are saying has the same value of a Wikipedia's artical printed on toilet paper for the hygiene of the last part of your kolon.
I cannot even call you Christians or Brothers. The fault is not mine. You choose to obay the orders of a clown in rome. He changed the Nicean Creed and separated Christians. This is the orthodox dogma of Christians. We dont change the Holly Texts, we dont commit idolatry, we dont play pianos and violins in churches. Women are equal to men. But tradition of Old Jewish Testament never mentioned a woman as prophet, and in Jesus New Testament, all 12 Disciples were men. So no matter how much we love, adore, venerate our women, not even the Holly Mother of Christ, our beloved Panagia Theotokos, cannot become a deacon, priest, pastor or anything. The tradition doesn't allow it. If the tradition did, then we have no problem. We are not following hitler. We follow Jesus Christ. Starting having women in Pristhood ends where ? If you start this, where it ends ? How to prevent or forbid a woman of decency to become a Pope ? Or a Patriarch ! Imagine the oxymoron. How we shall call her ? Mope ? Mitriarch ? Oh the opening of Pandora's Box ! The Mope of Rome Paulina and the Mitriarch of Jerusalem Petrina met today in Paris to discuss the Unification of the Church, and the new colors of trending vests !
Let me provoke it further. Why not proclaiming in a political right, modern, woke, and trendy way.
"In the name of the Mother and the daughter and Casper" amin.
God cut my fingers for writing these lines ! Cut them from the shoulders !
The anglican "church" ! Or any church witch deviaties from what examples are given inside the Bible, or alters Original Proclamations. HERETICS and ANATHEMAS !
Tradition needs to be agreed where ends in history, and no changes are to be made from then-on. If you say tradition is an on going proses, we dont agree. Because then you will end up not only having fake creeds or women as bishops but even satanic drag queen dances on top of the Holly Altar, as I shaw recently on a Lutheran self proclaimed gathering in America.
The time marking in history of tradition from witch there must be no deviation, is our Holly Bible. So there is not an actual time point, but a rather "don't do it if its not mentioned in the Bible".
Simple as that.
Christianity is not a movie of Disney to come in version, editions and sequels. Christianity is ONE as Church is ONE, as Messiah is ONE as our Father is ONE.
We are vertical opposite to any addition not mentioned to be practiced even once in our Holly Bible. It is so clear to understand, that only donkeys cannot comprehend it.
Nicean Creed surely is not part of the Holly Bible. So do we have the right to change a comma out of it ? Certainly NOT ! It is the 1st and must be precerved as the ONLY ONE proclamation of the Faith, back form the time when the Church of Christ was ONE.
It was unanimous established, and only a unanimous council can change it. This is not the democracy, the capitol, the European Parliament, for majority to vote. It is our Faith. It is 100% or for the toilet.
Period.
Interestingly, our new Priest changed our practice from the Nicene Creed to the Apostles' Creed for our Masses. It doesn't feel like it is complete enough for Mass.
Thank you for this clarification.
Great video, however surely you must know that "proceeds from the father" is the original and that "and the son" was added without unanimous consent at a later date.
Often wondered about the difference. Thank you for this video - a new subscriber.
Thank you for this explanation. May God be with you.
I thought there was four parts to the creed The Father , The Son , The Holy Spirit , and The Church
You think right
The Holy Spirit doesn’t proceed from the Father and the Son, in the Nicene Creed the HS only proceeds from the Father. The Father and Son is something that the Roman Catholic Church added without a Ecumenical council and was rejected by all other Churches and is one of the reasons of the Great Schism. Although the Protestants Churches claim to be against the RCC and what it stands for, they still use one of the arbitrary decisions made by the RCC.
It is weird that most protestants are actively anti-catholic and separatist in general but fall back on Roman creeds instead of the bible.... *ESPECIALLY* the 5 solas bros.
I don't get it, bible first or doctrine first, be honest and go from there.
John 15.26 supports the Filioque.
I likw what Saint Anthony stated that faith comes from the disposition of the soul. Those who have active faith, proof of reasoning is unnecessary and probably useless..
I like the apostles' creed and i heard that it was written with the help of the Holy Mother.
The first one is solid 100% yes? Do we all agree basically about this one? Thank you
Thanks for the explanation. Hails from Brazil. Deus Vult!
Great presi! TY for posting! 🙏
God bless and thank you. Would love to do a video together
This creed he’s talking about is the Roman Catholic version, not the original Nicene Creed that the Orthodox use.
I am a Christian who does not see the Pope as my head. Jesus Christ is my head and not a man. I don't need a priest to intercede to God on my behalf but I pray to Jesus Christ directly through Jesus Christ.
I am devout Catholic and I do not follow the pope as well.
@@jerseygirlASMRthen you’re not a Catholic dummy. That’s not how this works. How dumb can you seriously be? To be a Catholic you HAVE to believe in the infallibility of the pope, it’s not a choice. If you don’t you’re not Catholic
@jerseygirlASMR I'm not a Catholic but I do know if you don't follow the pope, you aren't Catholic.
@@ronfeledichuk531 nah that’s incorrect. I’m a Catholic and don’t follow the pope.
@@jerseygirlASMR I know a few Catholics who think the Pope is crazy
Thank you for your teaching mate
Thank you very much respectfully
This was very helpful with my studies
This helped me so much 🙏🙏
Thank you very much!
Great work
"...proceeds..."
Thank you!
So you don’t believe as the Orthodox Church that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father only daddy for free proceeds from the father, and the son was added to the create on the later basis
Clearly not - even though Scripture is crystal clear - (John 15:26) "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, [that is] the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me"
Bruh yu sound wild af right now 😆😆😆
The subtle wording differences still trip me up sometimes. 😬
Do you believe in ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT?
why is these prayer nicene creed so long
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Properly understood 'Hell' is not the realm of the dead, "Hell" is not Sheol, and more particulary 'Hell" is not Hades. Jesus did not descend into "Hell', He descended into Hades or 'katotori' (gr.) or the 'realm of the dead' or 'the dead'. Note: "Hell" is called Gehenna in Greek not - the 'realm of the dead' is calledf Hades in Greek. So where is Paradise? Paradise is an upper chamber of Hades. i.e. part of the realm of the dead.
Good yarn there Dan 🤦🏽♂️ all wrong.
What about Acts 2:38?
What about it?
I always say the apostle's creed & never the nicene creed mostly cuz I was taught:
"Nicene creed bad, apostle creed good!"
....and the son?
I beleive that wasa modification centuries later
Proceeds
Arius had gotten the relationship between God and His Son perfectly correct. Modern teaching by God's Ministering Spirits reveals that Arius was right all along and the corrupt church under the influence of Satan got it all horribly wrong. When a church enters into communication with one of God's angels or Ministering Spirits one of the first questions asked is the relationship between God and Christ. The Ministering Spirit will only tell the truth even if it is unpalatable to the listener - and therein lies the answer as to why the Church today does not avail itself of the Spirits of Truth promised by Christ.
The Trinity
Recently I learned about electromagnetism: dielectric, magnetism, electric.
Dielectric -- father
Magnetism -- mother
Electric -- Sun(the hybrid of father and mother)
The father, Sun, holy spirit; the triad.
is within us and we of it.
The three persons in One, and One in three.
Sun emits light, ray carries light, light brings illumination.
Three modes in One.
Iseous > yeshua > jesus
Faith means to believe, believe means to recieve.
Lean not on your own understanding, lest you believe on your own belief more than the Truth & goodness.
Father Son and Holy Spirit are three different persons. One divine Essensces not modes. Modes is impersonal God is not impersonal Not three modes in one that's modalism. Three persons in one.
@@antonralph6947 I did put that there. And also mentioned modes to help clarify as an example.
Folks like you dont actually care to know what you're believing in, and you believe that your belief is the truth, when in truth your belief is one of ignorance.
@@antonralph6947 God is impersonal. What's personal is your intimate connection with Intellect, acknowledging natures, the beauties, the divinities and virtues, your acts of charity for animals, nature and man, from within, contemplating apon the stars. This is a personal connection with God, but God is not personal. When you acquire these divinites, beauties, wisdom, it is a God's essence , just like Intellect is God's,, as well as the life within us.
God has no reliance on you, no need of you, God is not a man.
The problem with religious people is they think their personal God or ego belief, is God. And we see division because of this. The " my book is the word of God" and not yours.
The only God I see amongst people are when those display understanding, Wisdom, virtue, charity, intellect, kindness, selflessness.
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
Fiiioque = error
@BCaToprove it !
While we should do our very best to understand the nature of God, the fullness of God is beyond our human understanding. Our own limitations should not be allowed to divide us. In any case, you might ponder the words of John 20:22.
@BCaTo even "recent discoveries" is not what I've call a proof, local councils of the area of Ktisifon witch is located in Iran, using "and the son" is not something of valid.
First because Ktisifon is outside the jurisdiction of the Christian Roman Empire, or at it's edges, an area full of Christian heresies, Islam been one of them.
Secondly the bishop of rome, incorporating this heretic statement to the only valid Nicean Creed, makes him heretic too.
To make things easier for you, and stop counting third forth fifth and so on, I'm ending my comment:
Nine hundred thousand… because all the schismatic and heretic alterations of the straight faith we ended today having naked drag queens dancing on top of the Holly Altar in American churches.
Once you open a small crack for satan, he conquers it all !
Have a nice day.
@BCaTo and I hope you'll take this as a friendly reminder, but next time you copy paste a random text, at least erase the footnote [ ] brackets out of it. 💕😁🇬🇷👋
@BCaTo and finally the Church in Persia what ever this might be, is known as the Islamic Regime of Iran.
The Church of the East, is the Church of Bulgaria, Romania, Constantinople, Serbia, Finland, Greece, Russia ,and Albania. Far far away from Iran, while the Oriental Church are the churches of Lebanon, Syria, Jerusalem, Jordan, and Egypt.
In either way your sources are wrong.
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why?
Because according to the Nicene Creed, at a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father.
Till many lifetimes later did God send Him to save mankind as the Savior.
This is a fact.
But why did God beget the Christ many lifetimes ago, but send Him to be the Savior many lifetimes later?
Because the Christ was initially sinful and unprepared. He needed time to practice.
If the Christ was initially sinless and didn’t need practice, then there’s no need for God to beget Him at that certain point many lifetimes ago.
God can simply beget Him 2000 years ago when mankind needed to be saved, and then directly send Him to save mankind.
Does it make sense?
--Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
A SPIRIT - who is the Father - is there with Jesus ("God is a spirit"). "HOLY" is the name given by Jesus to that "SPIRIT", in order to be able to identify Him. That "Spirit" would have no name otherwise!
Only THAT SPIRIT (the Father) is there, NO FURTHER SPIRIT IS WITH JESUS!
"Father" (who is a spirit) and "Holy Spirit" are thus just two EQUIVALENT names: no third divine person exists.
If you wish you can replace the name "Holy Spirit" by "Father" wherever it occurs in the gospels (not in the baptismal formula, for another reason).
Bro just read the bible and stop with the mental gymnastics, Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 " Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". Clear differentiation between persons and equality in stature between them.
"That's modalism, Patrick!"
@@NTNG13
Jesus had NO IDEA at all of what a trinity or a triune God is supposed to be. Jesus crystal clear reiterated four gospels along that He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY, period. For ex. "...You will leave me ALONE. Yet, I am NOT ALONE because THE FATHER is with me." Thus, just the Father is with Jesus. Jesus confirms that people when die will be with Father and Son ONLY "those who will BELIEVE in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..." (believers, Father and Son, no trinity is there, Jn.17:20,21)....as regards the apostles the same occurs: " On that day you will know that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you.". Nobody else, crystal clear.
Who is the Holy Spirit?
Jesus receives the Holy Spirit at His baptism, the Holy Spirit is thus inside Him, but who is He? No problem, Jesus reveals who actually is inside Him: "the Father who DWELLS in me." Jesus even further specifies that ONLY THE FATHER is inside Him, therefore the Holy Spirit must necessarily be the Father, i.e. it's just a different name for the same Father. Jesus confirms that the Holy Spirit actually is THE FATHER also in his sermon concerning the TWO blasphemies: if the first mentioned blasphemy is directed to the Son, the second one must necessarily be directed to the Father and also here for the Father is used that name instead: "Holy Spirit". If "Holy Spirit" is just a DIFFERENT name for the SAME Father, this of course implies that the Father must be "A SPIRIT"! That is fully confirmed by Jesus, who explicitly says that the Father is a Spirit (see Jn. 4:23,24). The Father is thus called "Father," "Holy Father" "Holy Spirit" by Jesus...equivalent names.
In fact God is transcendent, absent, and therefore does not "personally" perform His actions here on Earth or in heaven ("nobody has seen God at any time"). You can check it out in the gospels, you can see that there are NO actions directly performed by God. Rather, such actions are taken here by Him in his "form of Spirit", who is called "Holy" by Jesus. In this form the Father was responsible for Mary's pregnancy, helped Jesus on His journey in the wilderness, later also helped Him in speaking, later He was helping the apostles too. Jesus simply is together with that Spirit who is the Father, called "Holy Spirit". Period. I.e. no trinity exists. That Spirit of course comes from the absent God. Thus, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three different persons as you maintain.
WHO PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER. The filioque is heresy.
Why did the Apostles baptize all their converts in the name of Jesus Christ only ? There’s absolutely no reference of anyone being baptized in the titles of the Father, Son , and Holy Ghost in the New Testament . So the Apostles understand that the Name of the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost is Jesus the Christ . God is a Spirit John 4:24 and a Spirit and is invisible . The Spirit or Holy Spirit fills the universe . Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of every creature . That’s Jesus Christ that’s the image of God . The disciples had a much better education and understanding of the Godhead than anyone ever since they were taught three and a half years by the greatest teacher that ever lived Jesus Christ . The Apostle Peter knew exactly what he was commissioned to preach when he gave the plan of salvation in Acts 2:38 and passed down to us today in the 39th verse . That’s exactly word for word what Jesus taught the disciples to preach in Luke 24 :47 . There’s not three persons in the Godhead . 1 Timothy 3:16 says “ Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh “. Jesus is the Emmanuel or God with us not the second person in the Godhead . In Revelation 1:8 Jesus said “ I am Alpha and Omega , the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord which is , and which was , which is to come , the Almighty “. It’s all in him Jesus .
Nonsense ....he doesn't know what his talking about
SO FAR I'M GLAD YOU SAID HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT HOLY GHOST. ITS NOT A GHOST, ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING
The same thing
Ghost is just a Germanic origin word for spirit. You are so duh umb.
accept apostle creed:accept purgatort. accept nicene creed:accept mariolotry. tough choice,eh😂
Clearly both of these creed's are man-made and not God-given. How is that Christians don't even know the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? These creed's obfuscate their individuality, personality and assignments amongst the Children of God. How can we expect the secular world to understand these heavenly beings if we don't.
All creeds are B.S. Belief systems.
Not understanding the system of the gods you believe in.
I do appreciate what you're tying to do, but the vast majority of people in the visible professing church barely read the Bible and don't take the time to study the word, and you want to give them something else to read? The visible professing church has never been characterized as *People of the Book*.The sheer ignorance of what they believe and why, and not to mention the tragic state of the visible church is proof-positive of this. Point them to Christ and the inspired Holy Scriptures, not extra-biblical writings, brother. Peace.
I agree that not enough Christians read their Bibles. I do disagree that we shouldn't learn about what early Christians believed. We should be reading our Bibles and studying different aspects of our Faith. Many things are plain and easy to understand in Scripture. Then there are many that aren't, for those areas we ought to dig in
This vodeo was useful to those wanting to know more
And that’s how the fall for any old fable.
Oh those poor Christians before the Canon of Scripture was decided in the 4th century must have had a spiritual drought. The Church came before the Bible (New Testament) and the Bible is understood in the context of the Church.
The creeds, especially the NIcene Creed, were developed as teaching tools and in response to early heresies in the church. They are a synopsis of the core of orthodox Christianity. Every believer should know them and be able to profess them. If you deny they are as relevant today as in the past, just look at some of the comments in this very comment section by some pushing some very dubious (I.e, heretical) doctrines.