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The Nicene Creed says, “God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father.” “begotten, not made”. Literally, “begotten” and “made” are the same. Doesn’t “begotten” imply “made”? So literally this verse is contradictory. “begotten, not made”. So there must be a profound meaning to this verse, that is: At a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father. Through practice in many lifetimes, He has eradicated all sins and sinful nature, and fully restored divinity and spirituality. The full divinity and spirituality of the Christ were not made, so He was not made. The reason why it can be explained in this way is because there are many lifetimes. Without many lifetimes, there’s no way to explain “begotten, not made”. Many lifetimes after being begotten, eventually the Christ was not made. Without “many lifetimes”, “begotten” and “made” would be the same. So this explanation is at least understandable in theory. --Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
Thanks for the explanation. I came from a Presbyterian Church which used the Apostles creed. I'm now in an Anglican Church which uses the Nicene creed. Both are great but the Nicene creed more fully expresses what we should believe.
Anglicans use both creeds as regular part of corporate worship. Looking to the Book of Common Prayer, the Apostles Creed is to be recited as part of Morning Prayer and The Nicene Creed as part of the Eucharist . Both are summary statements of what all Christians should be able to agree upon according to Holy Scripture.
No. The Apsotles Creed is a full creed. Niceene just gives more detail. But that's more an explanation than a Confession. When someone asks you do you believe in God you don't recite the whole New Testament. You just say yes. Plus the Apostels Creed doesn't have the filioque so no problem with that
Great video, however surely you must know that "proceeds from the father" is the original and that "and the son" was added without unanimous consent at a later date.
Interestingly, our new Priest changed our practice from the Nicene Creed to the Apostles' Creed for our Masses. It doesn't feel like it is complete enough for Mass. Thank you for this clarification.
The problem with the Biceene Creed is it is a reaction to a heresy and then the filioque added is an overreaction. Saying the Niceene creed is better is false. I don't need to change my creed because SOME people start to change their christology.
The Holy Spirit doesn’t proceed from the Father and the Son, in the Nicene Creed the HS only proceeds from the Father. The Father and Son is something that the Roman Catholic Church added without a Ecumenical council and was rejected by all other Churches and is one of the reasons of the Great Schism. Although the Protestants Churches claim to be against the RCC and what it stands for, they still use one of the arbitrary decisions made by the RCC.
It is weird that most protestants are actively anti-catholic and separatist in general but fall back on Roman creeds instead of the bible.... *ESPECIALLY* the 5 solas bros. I don't get it, bible first or doctrine first, be honest and go from there.
@@Dilley_G45 apostles being bullet points basic avoids really overambitious dogma like *enumerating static limits to a limitless God while also proclaiming it's 3 static beings simultaneously and explicitly* but also seems to disavow that Christ was a human vessel for God (but anything else "official" then gets into "essence/s" and "begotten" and dualistic nature being eternal or not.... then it's a contradictory mess). People back then didn't get it, the apostles were mostly vague about what being the son of God actually meant, Paul was explicit via passages such as 1 Corinthians 10 (8-10 is the tighter focus [the God of the old testament took many forms, not a father and son duo of separate persons either just Christ/God setting the stage to credential himself in Messiah form later]). Then there is that Jesus guy, explicitly telling people about his all powerful father but also explicitly claiming "I AM", as if we're supposed to use to the explicit contradiction to infer the implicit resolution to the problem (that leans on that multigenerational credentialing)..... something the creeds and confessions never attempt to articulate. IMO it's because people that don't read the bible cover to cover multiple times literally can't understand it. A big aside but back to my first post: try asking someone how they apply sola scriptura versus solo or prima, in exclusion to the other supposed methods, as it's a theoretical continuum/gradient if even truly applicable. □ Jesus tried to get people to think and gain wisdom instead of pushing hard rule one-liners for a reason.
So you don’t believe as the Orthodox Church that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father only daddy for free proceeds from the father, and the son was added to the create on the later basis
Clearly not - even though Scripture is crystal clear - (John 15:26) "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, [that is] the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me"
I likw what Saint Anthony stated that faith comes from the disposition of the soul. Those who have active faith, proof of reasoning is unnecessary and probably useless.. I like the apostles' creed and i heard that it was written with the help of the Holy Mother.
I am a Christian who does not see the Pope as my head. Jesus Christ is my head and not a man. I don't need a priest to intercede to God on my behalf but I pray to Jesus Christ directly through Jesus Christ.
@@jerseygirlASMRthen you’re not a Catholic dummy. That’s not how this works. How dumb can you seriously be? To be a Catholic you HAVE to believe in the infallibility of the pope, it’s not a choice. If you don’t you’re not Catholic
Properly understood 'Hell' is not the realm of the dead, "Hell" is not Sheol, and more particulary 'Hell" is not Hades. Jesus did not descend into "Hell', He descended into Hades or 'katotori' (gr.) or the 'realm of the dead' or 'the dead'. Note: "Hell" is called Gehenna in Greek not - the 'realm of the dead' is calledf Hades in Greek. So where is Paradise? Paradise is an upper chamber of Hades. i.e. part of the realm of the dead.
The Trinity Recently I learned about electromagnetism: dielectric, magnetism, electric. Dielectric -- father Magnetism -- mother Electric -- Sun(the hybrid of father and mother) The father, Sun, holy spirit; the triad. is within us and we of it. The three persons in One, and One in three. Sun emits light, ray carries light, light brings illumination. Three modes in One. Iseous > yeshua > jesus Faith means to believe, believe means to recieve. Lean not on your own understanding, lest you believe on your own belief more than the Truth & goodness.
Father Son and Holy Spirit are three different persons. One divine Essensces not modes. Modes is impersonal God is not impersonal Not three modes in one that's modalism. Three persons in one.
@@antonralph6947 I did put that there. And also mentioned modes to help clarify as an example. Folks like you dont actually care to know what you're believing in, and you believe that your belief is the truth, when in truth your belief is one of ignorance.
@@antonralph6947 God is impersonal. What's personal is your intimate connection with Intellect, acknowledging natures, the beauties, the divinities and virtues, your acts of charity for animals, nature and man, from within, contemplating apon the stars. This is a personal connection with God, but God is not personal. When you acquire these divinites, beauties, wisdom, it is a God's essence , just like Intellect is God's,, as well as the life within us. God has no reliance on you, no need of you, God is not a man. The problem with religious people is they think their personal God or ego belief, is God. And we see division because of this. The " my book is the word of God" and not yours. The only God I see amongst people are when those display understanding, Wisdom, virtue, charity, intellect, kindness, selflessness.
I do appreciate what you're tying to do, but the vast majority of people in the visible professing church barely read the Bible and don't take the time to study the word, and you want to give them something else to read? The visible professing church has never been characterized as *People of the Book*.The sheer ignorance of what they believe and why, and not to mention the tragic state of the visible church is proof-positive of this. Point them to Christ and the inspired Holy Scriptures, not extra-biblical writings, brother. Peace.
I agree that not enough Christians read their Bibles. I do disagree that we shouldn't learn about what early Christians believed. We should be reading our Bibles and studying different aspects of our Faith. Many things are plain and easy to understand in Scripture. Then there are many that aren't, for those areas we ought to dig in
Oh those poor Christians before the Canon of Scripture was decided in the 4th century must have had a spiritual drought. The Church came before the Bible (New Testament) and the Bible is understood in the context of the Church.
The creeds, especially the NIcene Creed, were developed as teaching tools and in response to early heresies in the church. They are a synopsis of the core of orthodox Christianity. Every believer should know them and be able to profess them. If you deny they are as relevant today as in the past, just look at some of the comments in this very comment section by some pushing some very dubious (I.e, heretical) doctrines.
While we should do our very best to understand the nature of God, the fullness of God is beyond our human understanding. Our own limitations should not be allowed to divide us. In any case, you might ponder the words of John 20:22.
Arius had gotten the relationship between God and His Son perfectly correct. Modern teaching by God's Ministering Spirits reveals that Arius was right all along and the corrupt church under the influence of Satan got it all horribly wrong. When a church enters into communication with one of God's angels or Ministering Spirits one of the first questions asked is the relationship between God and Christ. The Ministering Spirit will only tell the truth even if it is unpalatable to the listener - and therein lies the answer as to why the Church today does not avail itself of the Spirits of Truth promised by Christ.
A SPIRIT - who is the Father - is there with Jesus ("God is a spirit"). "HOLY" is the name given by Jesus to that "SPIRIT", in order to be able to identify Him. That "Spirit" would have no name otherwise! Only THAT SPIRIT (the Father) is there, NO FURTHER SPIRIT IS WITH JESUS! "Father" (who is a spirit) and "Holy Spirit" are thus just two EQUIVALENT names: no third divine person exists. If you wish you can replace the name "Holy Spirit" by "Father" wherever it occurs in the gospels (not in the baptismal formula, for another reason).
Bro just read the bible and stop with the mental gymnastics, Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 " Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". Clear differentiation between persons and equality in stature between them.
@@NTNG13 Jesus had NO IDEA at all of what a trinity or a triune God is supposed to be. Jesus crystal clear reiterated four gospels along that He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY, period. For ex. "...You will leave me ALONE. Yet, I am NOT ALONE because THE FATHER is with me." Thus, just the Father is with Jesus. Jesus confirms that people when die will be with Father and Son ONLY "those who will BELIEVE in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..." (believers, Father and Son, no trinity is there, Jn.17:20,21)....as regards the apostles the same occurs: " On that day you will know that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you.". Nobody else, crystal clear. Who is the Holy Spirit? Jesus receives the Holy Spirit at His baptism, the Holy Spirit is thus inside Him, but who is He? No problem, Jesus reveals who actually is inside Him: "the Father who DWELLS in me." Jesus even further specifies that ONLY THE FATHER is inside Him, therefore the Holy Spirit must necessarily be the Father, i.e. it's just a different name for the same Father. Jesus confirms that the Holy Spirit actually is THE FATHER also in his sermon concerning the TWO blasphemies: if the first mentioned blasphemy is directed to the Son, the second one must necessarily be directed to the Father and also here for the Father is used that name instead: "Holy Spirit". If "Holy Spirit" is just a DIFFERENT name for the SAME Father, this of course implies that the Father must be "A SPIRIT"! That is fully confirmed by Jesus, who explicitly says that the Father is a Spirit (see Jn. 4:23,24). The Father is thus called "Father," "Holy Father" "Holy Spirit" by Jesus...equivalent names. In fact God is transcendent, absent, and therefore does not "personally" perform His actions here on Earth or in heaven ("nobody has seen God at any time"). You can check it out in the gospels, you can see that there are NO actions directly performed by God. Rather, such actions are taken here by Him in his "form of Spirit", who is called "Holy" by Jesus. In this form the Father was responsible for Mary's pregnancy, helped Jesus on His journey in the wilderness, later also helped Him in speaking, later He was helping the apostles too. Jesus simply is together with that Spirit who is the Father, called "Holy Spirit". Period. I.e. no trinity exists. That Spirit of course comes from the absent God. Thus, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three different persons as you maintain.
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08” If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
Why did the Apostles baptize all their converts in the name of Jesus Christ only ? There’s absolutely no reference of anyone being baptized in the titles of the Father, Son , and Holy Ghost in the New Testament . So the Apostles understand that the Name of the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost is Jesus the Christ . God is a Spirit John 4:24 and a Spirit and is invisible . The Spirit or Holy Spirit fills the universe . Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of every creature . That’s Jesus Christ that’s the image of God . The disciples had a much better education and understanding of the Godhead than anyone ever since they were taught three and a half years by the greatest teacher that ever lived Jesus Christ . The Apostle Peter knew exactly what he was commissioned to preach when he gave the plan of salvation in Acts 2:38 and passed down to us today in the 39th verse . That’s exactly word for word what Jesus taught the disciples to preach in Luke 24 :47 . There’s not three persons in the Godhead . 1 Timothy 3:16 says “ Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh “. Jesus is the Emmanuel or God with us not the second person in the Godhead . In Revelation 1:8 Jesus said “ I am Alpha and Omega , the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord which is , and which was , which is to come , the Almighty “. It’s all in him Jesus .
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? Because according to the Nicene Creed, at a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father. Till many lifetimes later did God send Him to save mankind as the Savior. This is a fact. But why did God beget the Christ many lifetimes ago, but send Him to be the Savior many lifetimes later? Because the Christ was initially sinful and unprepared. He needed time to practice. If the Christ was initially sinless and didn’t need practice, then there’s no need for God to beget Him at that certain point many lifetimes ago. God can simply beget Him 2000 years ago when mankind needed to be saved, and then directly send Him to save mankind. Does it make sense? --Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
Clearly both of these creed's are man-made and not God-given. How is that Christians don't even know the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? These creed's obfuscate their individuality, personality and assignments amongst the Children of God. How can we expect the secular world to understand these heavenly beings if we don't.
GOD Bless Everyone Always. Thank you very much
Very nice direct comparison for understanding both in simple straight forward old fashioned using hand lettering. Love it. A plus. You earned a subscriber! God Bless All and May Peace Be With You. 🙏😇❤️
The Nicene Creed says,
“God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one being with the Father.”
“begotten, not made”.
Literally, “begotten” and “made” are the same.
Doesn’t “begotten” imply “made”?
So literally this verse is contradictory. “begotten, not made”.
So there must be a profound meaning to this verse, that is:
At a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father.
Through practice in many lifetimes, He has eradicated all sins and sinful nature, and fully restored divinity and spirituality.
The full divinity and spirituality of the Christ were not made, so He was not made.
The reason why it can be explained in this way is because there are many lifetimes.
Without many lifetimes, there’s no way to explain “begotten, not made”.
Many lifetimes after being begotten, eventually the Christ was not made.
Without “many lifetimes”, “begotten” and “made” would be the same.
So this explanation is at least understandable in theory.
--Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
Thanks for the explanation. I came from a Presbyterian Church which used the Apostles creed. I'm now in an Anglican Church which uses the Nicene creed. Both are great but the Nicene creed more fully expresses what we should believe.
If you want to be a Catholic.
@@edcarson3113 Or orthodox or any major form of protestant christianity. The majority of christian denominations accept the nicene creed
Anglicans use both creeds as regular part of corporate worship. Looking to the Book of Common Prayer, the Apostles Creed is to be recited as part of Morning Prayer and The Nicene Creed as part of the Eucharist . Both are summary statements of what all Christians should be able to agree upon according to Holy Scripture.
@@mortekami sadly the Orthodox do NOT accept the Apostles creed.
No. The Apsotles Creed is a full creed. Niceene just gives more detail. But that's more an explanation than a Confession. When someone asks you do you believe in God you don't recite the whole New Testament. You just say yes. Plus the Apostels Creed doesn't have the filioque so no problem with that
Often wondered about the difference. Thank you for this video - a new subscriber.
Thank you for this explanation. May God be with you.
Great video, however surely you must know that "proceeds from the father" is the original and that "and the son" was added without unanimous consent at a later date.
The first one is solid 100% yes? Do we all agree basically about this one? Thank you
Thanks for the explanation. Hails from Brazil. Deus Vult!
Interestingly, our new Priest changed our practice from the Nicene Creed to the Apostles' Creed for our Masses. It doesn't feel like it is complete enough for Mass.
Thank you for this clarification.
This helped me so much 🙏🙏
Great presi! TY for posting! 🙏
God bless and thank you. Would love to do a video together
The problem with the Biceene Creed is it is a reaction to a heresy and then the filioque added is an overreaction. Saying the Niceene creed is better is false. I don't need to change my creed because SOME people start to change their christology.
This simpleton is going to flip out when he finds out about the Athanasian creed! 😂
The Holy Spirit doesn’t proceed from the Father and the Son, in the Nicene Creed the HS only proceeds from the Father. The Father and Son is something that the Roman Catholic Church added without a Ecumenical council and was rejected by all other Churches and is one of the reasons of the Great Schism. Although the Protestants Churches claim to be against the RCC and what it stands for, they still use one of the arbitrary decisions made by the RCC.
It is weird that most protestants are actively anti-catholic and separatist in general but fall back on Roman creeds instead of the bible.... *ESPECIALLY* the 5 solas bros.
I don't get it, bible first or doctrine first, be honest and go from there.
John 15.26 supports the Filioque.
@@fnjesusfreakJohn 14:26 proves it wrong. Literally says "proceeds from the Father"
@@nobodyspecial1852yes Luther overlooked that. I'm Lutheran but I always
leave it out. And always support the Apostles Creed over Niceene
@@Dilley_G45 apostles being bullet points basic avoids really overambitious dogma like *enumerating static limits to a limitless God while also proclaiming it's 3 static beings simultaneously and explicitly* but also seems to disavow that Christ was a human vessel for God (but anything else "official" then gets into "essence/s" and "begotten" and dualistic nature being eternal or not.... then it's a contradictory mess). People back then didn't get it, the apostles were mostly vague about what being the son of God actually meant, Paul was explicit via passages such as 1 Corinthians 10 (8-10 is the tighter focus [the God of the old testament took many forms, not a father and son duo of separate persons either just Christ/God setting the stage to credential himself in Messiah form later]).
Then there is that Jesus guy, explicitly telling people about his all powerful father but also explicitly claiming "I AM", as if we're supposed to use to the explicit contradiction to infer the implicit resolution to the problem (that leans on that multigenerational credentialing)..... something the creeds and confessions never attempt to articulate. IMO it's because people that don't read the bible cover to cover multiple times literally can't understand it.
A big aside but back to my first post: try asking someone how they apply sola scriptura versus solo or prima, in exclusion to the other supposed methods, as it's a theoretical continuum/gradient if even truly applicable. □ Jesus tried to get people to think and gain wisdom instead of pushing hard rule one-liners for a reason.
I thought there was four parts to the creed The Father , The Son , The Holy Spirit , and The Church
You think right
Thank you for your teaching mate
This was very helpful with my studies
This creed he’s talking about is the Roman Catholic version, not the original Nicene Creed that the Orthodox use.
Thank you very much respectfully
Thank you very much!
Great work
So you don’t believe as the Orthodox Church that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the father only daddy for free proceeds from the father, and the son was added to the create on the later basis
Clearly not - even though Scripture is crystal clear - (John 15:26) "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, [that is] the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me"
Do you believe in ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORMENT?
I likw what Saint Anthony stated that faith comes from the disposition of the soul. Those who have active faith, proof of reasoning is unnecessary and probably useless..
I like the apostles' creed and i heard that it was written with the help of the Holy Mother.
why is these prayer nicene creed so long
What about Acts 2:38?
What about it?
Thank you!
"...proceeds..."
The subtle wording differences still trip me up sometimes. 😬
I am a Christian who does not see the Pope as my head. Jesus Christ is my head and not a man. I don't need a priest to intercede to God on my behalf but I pray to Jesus Christ directly through Jesus Christ.
I am devout Catholic and I do not follow the pope as well.
@@jerseygirlASMRthen you’re not a Catholic dummy. That’s not how this works. How dumb can you seriously be? To be a Catholic you HAVE to believe in the infallibility of the pope, it’s not a choice. If you don’t you’re not Catholic
@jerseygirlASMR I'm not a Catholic but I do know if you don't follow the pope, you aren't Catholic.
@@ronfeledichuk531 nah that’s incorrect. I’m a Catholic and don’t follow the pope.
@@jerseygirlASMR I know a few Catholics who think the Pope is crazy
I always say the apostle's creed & never the nicene creed mostly cuz I was taught:
"Nicene creed bad, apostle creed good!"
Bruh yu sound wild af right now 😆😆😆
....and the son?
I beleive that wasa modification centuries later
Properly understood 'Hell' is not the realm of the dead, "Hell" is not Sheol, and more particulary 'Hell" is not Hades. Jesus did not descend into "Hell', He descended into Hades or 'katotori' (gr.) or the 'realm of the dead' or 'the dead'. Note: "Hell" is called Gehenna in Greek not - the 'realm of the dead' is calledf Hades in Greek. So where is Paradise? Paradise is an upper chamber of Hades. i.e. part of the realm of the dead.
Good yarn there Dan 🤦🏽♂️ all wrong.
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Proceeds
Nonsense ....he doesn't know what his talking about
The Trinity
Recently I learned about electromagnetism: dielectric, magnetism, electric.
Dielectric -- father
Magnetism -- mother
Electric -- Sun(the hybrid of father and mother)
The father, Sun, holy spirit; the triad.
is within us and we of it.
The three persons in One, and One in three.
Sun emits light, ray carries light, light brings illumination.
Three modes in One.
Iseous > yeshua > jesus
Faith means to believe, believe means to recieve.
Lean not on your own understanding, lest you believe on your own belief more than the Truth & goodness.
Father Son and Holy Spirit are three different persons. One divine Essensces not modes. Modes is impersonal God is not impersonal Not three modes in one that's modalism. Three persons in one.
@@antonralph6947 I did put that there. And also mentioned modes to help clarify as an example.
Folks like you dont actually care to know what you're believing in, and you believe that your belief is the truth, when in truth your belief is one of ignorance.
@@antonralph6947 God is impersonal. What's personal is your intimate connection with Intellect, acknowledging natures, the beauties, the divinities and virtues, your acts of charity for animals, nature and man, from within, contemplating apon the stars. This is a personal connection with God, but God is not personal. When you acquire these divinites, beauties, wisdom, it is a God's essence , just like Intellect is God's,, as well as the life within us.
God has no reliance on you, no need of you, God is not a man.
The problem with religious people is they think their personal God or ego belief, is God. And we see division because of this. The " my book is the word of God" and not yours.
The only God I see amongst people are when those display understanding, Wisdom, virtue, charity, intellect, kindness, selflessness.
I do appreciate what you're tying to do, but the vast majority of people in the visible professing church barely read the Bible and don't take the time to study the word, and you want to give them something else to read? The visible professing church has never been characterized as *People of the Book*.The sheer ignorance of what they believe and why, and not to mention the tragic state of the visible church is proof-positive of this. Point them to Christ and the inspired Holy Scriptures, not extra-biblical writings, brother. Peace.
I agree that not enough Christians read their Bibles. I do disagree that we shouldn't learn about what early Christians believed. We should be reading our Bibles and studying different aspects of our Faith. Many things are plain and easy to understand in Scripture. Then there are many that aren't, for those areas we ought to dig in
This vodeo was useful to those wanting to know more
And that’s how the fall for any old fable.
Oh those poor Christians before the Canon of Scripture was decided in the 4th century must have had a spiritual drought. The Church came before the Bible (New Testament) and the Bible is understood in the context of the Church.
The creeds, especially the NIcene Creed, were developed as teaching tools and in response to early heresies in the church. They are a synopsis of the core of orthodox Christianity. Every believer should know them and be able to profess them. If you deny they are as relevant today as in the past, just look at some of the comments in this very comment section by some pushing some very dubious (I.e, heretical) doctrines.
Fiiioque = error
While we should do our very best to understand the nature of God, the fullness of God is beyond our human understanding. Our own limitations should not be allowed to divide us. In any case, you might ponder the words of John 20:22.
Arius had gotten the relationship between God and His Son perfectly correct. Modern teaching by God's Ministering Spirits reveals that Arius was right all along and the corrupt church under the influence of Satan got it all horribly wrong. When a church enters into communication with one of God's angels or Ministering Spirits one of the first questions asked is the relationship between God and Christ. The Ministering Spirit will only tell the truth even if it is unpalatable to the listener - and therein lies the answer as to why the Church today does not avail itself of the Spirits of Truth promised by Christ.
A SPIRIT - who is the Father - is there with Jesus ("God is a spirit"). "HOLY" is the name given by Jesus to that "SPIRIT", in order to be able to identify Him. That "Spirit" would have no name otherwise!
Only THAT SPIRIT (the Father) is there, NO FURTHER SPIRIT IS WITH JESUS!
"Father" (who is a spirit) and "Holy Spirit" are thus just two EQUIVALENT names: no third divine person exists.
If you wish you can replace the name "Holy Spirit" by "Father" wherever it occurs in the gospels (not in the baptismal formula, for another reason).
Bro just read the bible and stop with the mental gymnastics, Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 " Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". Clear differentiation between persons and equality in stature between them.
"That's modalism, Patrick!"
@@NTNG13
Jesus had NO IDEA at all of what a trinity or a triune God is supposed to be. Jesus crystal clear reiterated four gospels along that He is WITH THE FATHER ONLY, period. For ex. "...You will leave me ALONE. Yet, I am NOT ALONE because THE FATHER is with me." Thus, just the Father is with Jesus. Jesus confirms that people when die will be with Father and Son ONLY "those who will BELIEVE in me through their word so that they all may be one, as you, FATHER, are in ME, and I in YOU. THEY also may be one in US..." (believers, Father and Son, no trinity is there, Jn.17:20,21)....as regards the apostles the same occurs: " On that day you will know that I am in my Father, you are in me, and I am in you.". Nobody else, crystal clear.
Who is the Holy Spirit?
Jesus receives the Holy Spirit at His baptism, the Holy Spirit is thus inside Him, but who is He? No problem, Jesus reveals who actually is inside Him: "the Father who DWELLS in me." Jesus even further specifies that ONLY THE FATHER is inside Him, therefore the Holy Spirit must necessarily be the Father, i.e. it's just a different name for the same Father. Jesus confirms that the Holy Spirit actually is THE FATHER also in his sermon concerning the TWO blasphemies: if the first mentioned blasphemy is directed to the Son, the second one must necessarily be directed to the Father and also here for the Father is used that name instead: "Holy Spirit". If "Holy Spirit" is just a DIFFERENT name for the SAME Father, this of course implies that the Father must be "A SPIRIT"! That is fully confirmed by Jesus, who explicitly says that the Father is a Spirit (see Jn. 4:23,24). The Father is thus called "Father," "Holy Father" "Holy Spirit" by Jesus...equivalent names.
In fact God is transcendent, absent, and therefore does not "personally" perform His actions here on Earth or in heaven ("nobody has seen God at any time"). You can check it out in the gospels, you can see that there are NO actions directly performed by God. Rather, such actions are taken here by Him in his "form of Spirit", who is called "Holy" by Jesus. In this form the Father was responsible for Mary's pregnancy, helped Jesus on His journey in the wilderness, later also helped Him in speaking, later He was helping the apostles too. Jesus simply is together with that Spirit who is the Father, called "Holy Spirit". Period. I.e. no trinity exists. That Spirit of course comes from the absent God. Thus, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not three different persons as you maintain.
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why? For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
Why did the Apostles baptize all their converts in the name of Jesus Christ only ? There’s absolutely no reference of anyone being baptized in the titles of the Father, Son , and Holy Ghost in the New Testament . So the Apostles understand that the Name of the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost is Jesus the Christ . God is a Spirit John 4:24 and a Spirit and is invisible . The Spirit or Holy Spirit fills the universe . Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God , the firstborn of every creature . That’s Jesus Christ that’s the image of God . The disciples had a much better education and understanding of the Godhead than anyone ever since they were taught three and a half years by the greatest teacher that ever lived Jesus Christ . The Apostle Peter knew exactly what he was commissioned to preach when he gave the plan of salvation in Acts 2:38 and passed down to us today in the 39th verse . That’s exactly word for word what Jesus taught the disciples to preach in Luke 24 :47 . There’s not three persons in the Godhead . 1 Timothy 3:16 says “ Great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifest in the flesh “. Jesus is the Emmanuel or God with us not the second person in the Godhead . In Revelation 1:8 Jesus said “ I am Alpha and Omega , the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord which is , and which was , which is to come , the Almighty “. It’s all in him Jesus .
Heresy
SO FAR I'M GLAD YOU SAID HOLY SPIRIT AND NOT HOLY GHOST. ITS NOT A GHOST, ITS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING
The same thing
Ghost is just a Germanic origin word for spirit. You are so duh umb.
In fact, originally the Christ should have sinful nature, but eventually eradicated it through practice. Why?
Because according to the Nicene Creed, at a certain point many lifetimes ago, the Christ was begotten of the Father.
Till many lifetimes later did God send Him to save mankind as the Savior.
This is a fact.
But why did God beget the Christ many lifetimes ago, but send Him to be the Savior many lifetimes later?
Because the Christ was initially sinful and unprepared. He needed time to practice.
If the Christ was initially sinless and didn’t need practice, then there’s no need for God to beget Him at that certain point many lifetimes ago.
God can simply beget Him 2000 years ago when mankind needed to be saved, and then directly send Him to save mankind.
Does it make sense?
--Light of Wisdom Church《The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08》
accept apostle creed:accept purgatort. accept nicene creed:accept mariolotry. tough choice,eh😂
WHO PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER. The filioque is heresy.
All creeds are B.S. Belief systems.
Not understanding the system of the gods you believe in.
Clearly both of these creed's are man-made and not God-given. How is that Christians don't even know the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? These creed's obfuscate their individuality, personality and assignments amongst the Children of God. How can we expect the secular world to understand these heavenly beings if we don't.
I believe them
You’re trying to put worldly descriptions on something that is not of this world.
I pray you come to understand the beauty and power of this prayer. Amen 🙏