Imo processors should have to give you next months milk price in the middle of the previous month. Or at the very least the start of the month. How can processors lose money if they always are on the right side of the deal? They just tell us what we are getting after they figure out their costs. I also question how much some suppliers are varying their price with retailers month to month? Aren't they contracted for 6 months or a year or more? I concede farmers should have an upper limit imposed on them for the volume they can send in the month following which is fair, but that's it. We are always on the losing end of the deal and it has to change.
I agree, processors can't lose and that results in an inefficient badly run business. (*Cough* dale farm). Farmers need to demand more. This legislation was meant to deliver a better pricing model and it now amounts to nothing.
What about Farm Theory Digest, like the Reader's Digest? Your digesting the comprehensive bits for us to understand. FTD for short. It could also have a double meaning of failing to deliver. Not the farmers of UK or Ireland but your support networks, co-ops, supermakets, politicians, agri associations, fertiliser suppliers failing to deliver to the farmers. Nailed it! You can send the cheque in the post 😁.
In your income do you count your single farm payment. If you're turning over that amount can you do without it as a consumer and tax payer would like to know.
The single farm payment is a food subsidy, if it was gone food prices would rise by the same amount. Farmers are held at the point of survival by retailers, it's a great example of "perfect competition". The SFP is also used to penalize farmers without having to go through the courts, that's another big reason government keeps it.
Where are you getting those carbon figures from? Citations in the description would be useful. The best i could work out for 400kg (the finish weight is arbitrary as the scale is almost linear) beef cows (very roughly) was they eat 4 tonnes of grass in their lives which at 40% carbon is 6 tonnes of Carbon dioxide captured from the atmosphere. They release 220 kg of methane which has a CO2 equivalent of 6 tonnes and another tonne from respiration. I couldn't find any data on grass root biomass but as a conservative estimate one could state that the process of beef production is carbon neutral. re milk prices I believe it's time for famers in the UK and Ireland to take a good hard look at the Fonterra business model These news vids are excellent btw
Thank you! If you Google carbon prices it will bring you to the main exchange. I don't cite the sources due to time, but if I need to and it's up for debate I will. 👍
Isn't the claim about farm incomes disingenuous? Looking at 'Farm Business Income by type of farm in England 2022/23', the income increased as a result of increasing prices due to the Russia/Ukraine war. It has now reverted back to previous levels. afaict. Estate agents are notorious for this type of headline, in reference to house prices.
Hey! You are correct, the point I was making was our prices fell because the retailers cut the price... Yet they didn't cut the price to the consumer by anywhere near as much.
Imo processors should have to give you next months milk price in the middle of the previous month. Or at the very least the start of the month. How can processors lose money if they always are on the right side of the deal? They just tell us what we are getting after they figure out their costs. I also question how much some suppliers are varying their price with retailers month to month? Aren't they contracted for 6 months or a year or more?
I concede farmers should have an upper limit imposed on them for the volume they can send in the month following which is fair, but that's it.
We are always on the losing end of the deal and it has to change.
I agree, processors can't lose and that results in an inefficient badly run business. (*Cough* dale farm). Farmers need to demand more. This legislation was meant to deliver a better pricing model and it now amounts to nothing.
What about Farm Theory Digest, like the Reader's Digest? Your digesting the comprehensive bits for us to understand. FTD for short. It could also have a double meaning of failing to deliver. Not the farmers of UK or Ireland but your support networks, co-ops, supermakets, politicians, agri associations, fertiliser suppliers failing to deliver to the farmers. Nailed it! You can send the cheque in the post 😁.
What you are doing is great
Thank you!
Bang on Andrew. Big supermarkets flying while local farmers struggling. Something has to change
It’s about time the supermarkets and a processors are exposed
Would politicians be lobbied by the processors by the envelope method?
They just have more leverage because they are large businesses.
Farmers Shafted, correct, but how do you sort out the problem, wait untill farmers are all out of a job, yes we need food but tell them at the top . 🤔
Consumer awareness is a great place to start.
👍👍👍.
In your income do you count your single farm payment. If you're turning over that amount can you do without it as a consumer and tax payer would like to know.
The single farm payment is a food subsidy, if it was gone food prices would rise by the same amount. Farmers are held at the point of survival by retailers, it's a great example of "perfect competition". The SFP is also used to penalize farmers without having to go through the courts, that's another big reason government keeps it.
Nice fd
Where are you getting those carbon figures from?
Citations in the description would be useful.
The best i could work out for 400kg (the finish weight is arbitrary as the scale is almost linear) beef cows (very roughly) was they eat 4 tonnes of grass in their lives which at 40% carbon is 6 tonnes of Carbon dioxide captured from the atmosphere. They release 220 kg of methane which has a CO2 equivalent of 6 tonnes and another tonne from respiration. I couldn't find any data on grass root biomass but as a conservative estimate one could state that the process of beef production is carbon neutral.
re milk prices I believe it's time for famers in the UK and Ireland to take a good hard look at the Fonterra business model
These news vids are excellent btw
Thank you! If you Google carbon prices it will bring you to the main exchange. I don't cite the sources due to time, but if I need to and it's up for debate I will. 👍
Sequestration is not the same as storage.
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You don't get paid for storage.
@@FarmTheoryNI because storage isn't going to remove C02. We should all come to understand this :)
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Isn't the claim about farm incomes disingenuous?
Looking at 'Farm Business Income by type of farm in England 2022/23', the income increased as a result of increasing prices due to the Russia/Ukraine war. It has now reverted back to previous levels. afaict.
Estate agents are notorious for this type of headline, in reference to house prices.
Of course, afaik, the supermarkets haven't reduced their prices, they've only increased them more slowly.
Hey! You are correct, the point I was making was our prices fell because the retailers cut the price... Yet they didn't cut the price to the consumer by anywhere near as much.