Lysandre is heavily implied to have boiled two Rocket grunts alive in Masters, and was about to do the same to a Break grunt except we intervened. He also tried to kill us, and pretty much everybody else in the building including himself after his plan tanked. And there's also the fact that his plan in general didn't spare kids or Pokemon.
I'd say Ghetsis is absolutely the most evil with Volo it's hard to tell how much of his friendly demeaner is an act and how much is genuine, and like you said he actually treats his own pokemon well, plus while he said he'd keep trying to take Arceus's place we don't actually know if he ever did anything like he did in legends Arceus again, while Ghetsis not only manipulated his own son, but also mistreats his own pokemon as shown by his Hydreigon having max power frustration, but he also has Opelucid city frozen over (you say Colress gave the order but let's be honest he was probably just relaying the order from Ghetsis) and is the only villain to actively try to kill the player character where they stand, threatens to kill another character with Lillie, and even attacks a poor Rockruff, like you could argue Volo's scheme is more evil but in terms of actual evil done I'd say Ghetsis tops him easily
I saw another villain ranking that recognized that she isn't actually a villain but still put her higher than Archer, because Archer is just a stupid simp
I'd say you could argue Lusamine being higher for the creation of and subsequent mistreatment of the Type:Nulls. Those are literal chimeras made in the image of Pokémon's equivalent to God who are actively hindered by their suppression helmets. Granted I don't remember if it was her, Faba, or Mohn who oversaw the creation of Type:Null but regardless she would've had some form of power in the Aether Foundation to stop the experiment via being the vice president and wife of the foundation's first president and founder or being the president at the time of Type:Null's creation.
Bullying is still a crime unfortunately, and a serious one at that. Media has lots of stories about this graphic topic if games like Judgment and Bully exist.
The real problem in Paldea is the Pokémon League's huge staffing problem. The Elite Four all have to have second jobs except for their newest member, an actual fourth grader, because they're just that shorthanded in other areas.
@@nerdorama009it's strange gen 7 and gen 9 have this sub plot of a League being formed/ being very recent I wonder if that's building up to something later
How is Paldea the most boring? But yeah, as someone else pointed out bullying is still a crime and sadly it is still a problem in our world too so I like that Pokemon shone a bit of a light on that.
My biased self wants to remind you all that Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs literally starts with the player getting shot out of the sky by the bad guys. They also try and crash a submarine with their team still inside, end up kidnapping someone’s family and drags them across the region, and the twist villains even destroy a part of the map for good measure. I freaking love this game.
Edward just casually blows up an island as a statement, and when the heroes eventually confront him in the totally-not-a-Death-Star, he just _casually_ drops this line: "Is that so? In that case, I'll show you the real voices of Oblivia. I'm afraid they'll probably be screams though." And the crazy part is that he's (unfortunately) not even the final villain.
I only disagree with Volo, yes, he's really evil, he certainly should be up there, but over the course of the game, he implies he just wants to make a better world, yes killing everyone in the process, but because he thinks the world is a failure and yeah like you said and it's mentioned in Masters EX, Volo does take good care of his Pokémon so... I'd put him maybe behind Giovanni and Ghetsis, actually, only behind Ghetsis, i think it's a better place for him.
Honestly, Volo at least has a potential motive of feeling wronged, given how he and Cogita are from basically an ancient civilization that slowly died out iirc. He clearly does not show it, but the fact there is a reason to his madness makes me think that despite his plan being literally far worse than those of the og versions of Ghetsis and Giovanni (as opposed to USUM where... they're both in it for WAY too much power), he might have been genuinely a nice person at some point way before we got to meet him-- not so differently from Giovanni there. Ghetsis, as far as we know, does not even have that. The man wants full power and complete control, and will cross *every* moral line he has to to get it. He might not want the entire universe gone immediately like Volo does (and Cyrus pretends he does), but unlike Giovanni, he WOULD snap at some point in frustration and end up GETTING it gone as a result, which makes him a far more dangerous threat to let loose imo because at least we have reason to believe Volo could at least be "satisfied" with getting revenge on Arceus directly even if it means no damage to the actual world, but Ghetsis? We have no reason to believe he'd ever be satisfied with anything, and *that's* the scary part.
I think had N succeeded in splitting humans and Pokemon, I think he and Ghetsis would’ve been mauled by a mob of angry Pokemon. Hell Ghetsis’ own plans would’ve been screwed the moment he’d try to take over given that trainers from other regions could’ve come in to help stop him like what would he do if he had to face off against Cynthia, Steven, Wallace, Diantha, and Lance all at the same time? I think it’d be cool if a future game had you outright join the equivalent of Team Star/Skull in a war against a villain team in the vein of Galactic, Flare, and Neo Plasma. Like imagine teaming up with Giacomo or Mela to destroy a Neo Team Plasma base. In regards to Rose, I’d recommend watching Rewriting Pokemon Sword and Shield by Fudj since it does a good job of making him a villain by having him fix matches and be responsible for Spikemuth being in a worse state than before.
Personally, I'd rank Archie higher than Gusma just because Archie actually would have killed both people AND Pokémon (due to how many of them are land-based and can't swim; shows you how little his plan would have actually benefited the very creatures he claimed to be doing it for), something Team Skull, as far as I can remember, didn't try to do.
I find Lyssander funny bc depending of the game it changes the motivations for his plans. In X he wants to make some people inmortal just to keep their beauty forever. Meanwhile in Y yeah, he's fully commited to the genocide bit
not really, he say in X , he want to give you the player and your friend , imortality so you will know the pain of waiting for a beatiful world to be built,like him, because your run his plan, but he still want to kill humanity as far as i remember
In regards to Cyrus, I never thought I’d actually relate to a Pokémon villain like him now that I know the truth. Granted I’m wanting to step out into the world now compared to what I was before, and somewhat still am. But I’ve been an introvert my whole life regardless. So seeing him just wanting his own world to be in where he can be an introvert forever, I kind of relate to that. Especially considering what’s going on in today’s modern society. Also Ghetsis should be number 1 more or less because Volo doesn’t have enough to go off of, and Ghetsis is the worst “dad” in Pokémon history. Also he actually tried to kill a child, and I’m pretty sure he has a kill count from that freeze laser. Don’t deny it, no one could survive that arctic blast without warning so easily.
5:30 Did Archie only care about Pokemon in the sea? Because raising sea levels would screw over land based Pokemon and anything that can’t stay airborne.
Giovanni is nostalgia, but Ghetsis definitely hit the hardest thanks what he did to N. Paldea is by far the most boring region but at least Penny was a bit decent. Rose on the other hand is so laughable. But Valo, yeah, he is essentially an evil version of Champion Cynthia herself.
I played Colosseum recently and intentionally stalled him out with Toxic on Umbreon just so I could listen to his banger theme song for longer. With that said Cipher are really despicable for an evil team and I do believe they should get more credit. Orre in general deserves more credit if you ask me since the grittier setting and focus on double battles helps it stand out against the rest of the main series (keep in mind this is coming from someone who casually plays Gen 3 OU).
I don't think we've seen enough of Volo to place him at number 1. He has potential, sure, but there's just so much backstory we don't know about. Maybe Masters EX will give us some answers once all the Arc Suits have been released?
You ever hear the theory that Ghetsis' Hydreigon's Frustration is max power not because it's an evil monster that hates Ghetsis' guts but because Ghetsis is so evil that he terrified one of the most violent creatures in the franchise into total obedience? I saw this theory on TVTropes and didn't have to think to hard to realize I could see this happening.
Honestly, Guzma is such a homie that I forget he does outright bad things. Like he probably gave the order to steal that Yungoose and Lillie. He's gotten better and has reason for lashing out but he still was doing crimes with little care for the people it hurt.
What really makes Ghetsis such an evil villain is his ego combined with his incredible manipulative nature. The guy was so arrogant that he thought a legendary pokemon that helped shape Unova was beneath him, that he could manipulate Giovanni into achieving his ambitions, and that he can just ignore the rules of pokemon evolution by having a Hydreigon at level 54. Ironically, it was this exact combination that ultimately led to his downfall twice. The moment that his carefully laid plains started to unravel, his true face was revealed. Then when he lost, his scarred ego led to him going crazy.
Totally they were. Sure we never get to meet them (when we do it's them from another timeline and not the one from our world) but the effects of their actions linger
I still think Darkrai from the mystery dungeon games is up there, his goal is to rule a world in darkness and he literally succeeded at some point but was reversed by the player and their partner. In the postgame he disguises himself as Cresselia to tell the main characters to off themselves and it almost works and let’s not forget he convinced Palkia to off the main characters with that Cresselia disguise. And bro literally can time travel and planned to cover the world in darkness in a different time but was ultimately stopped by Palkia. One more thing, he’s literally the main reason why we get tuned from a human to a Pokémon and the guy who orchestrated that dark dystopian future we saw with a rabid primal dialga too.
Colress is a man whose first priprity is the science. He doesn't like Team Plasma or Ghetsis, but he'll go along, make Ghetsis' control cane, trap Kyurem and hook it up to a power generator that's hurting it, and build an ice cannon all because he feels he has to give Ghetsis' methods a fair shot for the sake of scientific objectivity. By the end, he's determined that his initial hypothesis is correct and so he stops helping Ghetsis. He opens the way for you to reach Ghetsis in full confidence that you'll win and then takes off with the last of the Plasma Frigate's power to hide out at the P2 labs until he can make his way back into society in USUM and publish his research.
We can also look at the rainbow rocket episode for more proof that Cyrus is not as evil as he may seem. After the rotodex comes out and praises Sol/Luna, Cyrus tells rotom that he will not destroy Alola. This heavily implies that while Cyrus does want to be left alone, he also sees Rotom as his only real friend. This does make sense when we consider that Cyrus spent his free time building robots.
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This is gonna be a bit long. Volo being more evil than Ghetsis is wild. 1) We haven't seen enough of Volo to really put him that high. 2) He had a Togepi that would eventually become a Togekiss. Togepi evolves into Togetic via Friendship. Meanwhile Ghetsis's Hydreigon in B/W has a moveset to counter N's entire team and his Hydreigon in B2/W2 has max power Frustration and holds a Life Orb. Yes both used a Legendary Pokémon to attack the player character. But there's some differences. With Volo it's more so that he summons Giratina to battle the player character so he can continue with his plan. With Ghetsis, before having Fused Kyurem challenge the player character, he uses Base Kyurem to actually try to kill the player character. And he did so because the B2/W2 protag attempting to thwart his plans had reminded him of the B/W protag who successfully stopped his plans in the events of B/W. So that attempted murder was personal and the B2/W2 protag would be dead if N was just a few seconds too late. And this is just what's canon to the mainline games.
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You know what, I have a much different opinion of Guzma after watching this. I would've placed him with Chairman Rose before under the idiot category, but you make it make sense.
Mewtwo is the best Pokémon villain to me. His story is deep, especially considering he's half human, half Pokémon, with god-like power and a genius intellect. Other than that, Cyrus is pretty damn evil.
If I had to redesign Cassiopeia aka Penny, I'd give her a simple yet effective change: Propping up her hoodie Giver, her a Eevee mask, and dirty up her outfit a little bit so you won't know who it is until you defeat her the revival will be more satisfying.
Well they are villains in the sense that's how a lot of people in Paldea painted them as, they were pushed so far and made out to be the villains when actually it was the bullies who were the bad ones.
Guzma also willingly participated in Lusamine’s false flag operation whereby Team Skull would target Pokemon Lusamine wanted, so that she could justify taking them to the Aether Foundation for “protection.” Being a part of that conspiracy is pretty evil on Guzma’s part.
Origins has one of my favorite versions of Giovanni. A grown man who became corrupt by a desire for more money and power. It’s like watching a man remember what makes him cheerful. Also, and this is off-topic, but Volo feels like an SMT villain with the whole making a pact with a Poke-demon and wanting to recreate the world ordeal.
I would argue that people like Rose and Lysander are significantly worse than you believe them to be because they are driven by ego and narcissism. They are so high on their own hype that they believe they have the RIGHT to make the decisions they do and will reject any dissenting opinions that aren't backed with enough force to make them stop. Giovanni is less evil than they are because Giovanni never bothers to try and wrap up his ego driven goals in some form of righteousness. He's upfront and honest about his intentions making him, ironically, more virtuous than Rose or Lysander.
I don't mind the more recent villains being less "evil" tbh. IMO most of the villains have good intentions but bad execution. Ghetsis would def top my evil list
We went from fighting crime bosses, and super villains that wanted to change the world to fighting edgy teens that felt like outcasts in middle school...
But they weren't even the villains of their own story. Harrington and his unnamed deputy were the real villains of the Star plot. And the villains of the entire game were out to destroy the ecosystem via time machine monsters (and also they neglected their son and abused their assistant)
How is Volo, who has three friendship evolutions and seems to calm down almost immediately after storming off (we have no reason not to believe Laventon's account of things, after all), above Ghetsis, who abuses nearly everyone he encounters to the point where his three headed death dragon is terrified of him? The only villain who even comes close to Ghetsis on the evil standpoint is Purple Eyes from Ranger 3 and even then there's a wide gulf. After him, probably the Orre villains. Volo, Cyrus, and Lusamine are more sick than purely evil. Colress being so low when he froze a damn city is laughable. The actual SV villains don't even appear on this list. They criminally neglected their son, abused their assistant by making them part of the lab security system and requiring them to sacrifice themselves to shut it down, and planned to destroy the ecosystem via time-displaced monsters, considering it acceptable losses? Seriously how are Sada and Turo not on here? Also you seem to...not really understand Cyrus's goals. His aim is to rid the world of emotions so there will be no more suffering, not to be alone. He even tells Cynthia flat out that if he "went off somewhere alone" then he could never achieve his aim. However he also realizes rhat a flawed world is better than no world at all. In the Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga (which is a different one from Adventures, the one you cite), he has a change of heart after that, realizing that he really doesn't have what it takes to bring about the changes he desires. And while he does need to be alone to ponder this, locked in a dark room and tied to a chair, he realizes that he wants to put that behind him and do better. Also on that note there are multiple manga series. The anime added one thing for Rose that i find fascinating and that's the death of his father in a mining accident when Rose was a child. It added urgency to his plans. He can't wait one more day because that could mean the difference between life and death for someone, another family shattered like his was. And it also explains a lot about his brother Peony, who's so clingy with his daughters because he knows firsthand how quickly things can change.
@@phoenixblade8315 Yeah they are. They're canon to themselves. They happen in their own timelines. Just like each manga series is their own timelines as well, and the anime , and so on
Cyrus truly is insane like total annihilation of the universe so you can be the only one in your new universe was crazy. The way Lusamine is in the anime is the complete opposite of her game counterpart.
I think we're due for another villain team that's genuinely evil AND a threat to the world. The misfit teams were a nice change of pace, but they've overstayed their welcome. Heck, Scarlet and Violet didn't really have a single, formally established antagonist: Penny isn't really evil at all, the professor was ambiguous at worst, Kieran was misguided by his own ambition, the Lousy Three play a smaller role in Teal Mask, and Pecharunt only has an hour-long epilogue to shine (although credit where credit's due: it REALLY made the most of it!). Here's hoping we can get a real antagonist again in Generation 10 (Volo notwithstanding, but even he didn't show his true colors until the very end).
Yeah, personally I love Team Skull and Team Star but I would love the next villainous team to be a proper evil organization, I think now we've had a break from that I think it'd be good to bring it back in a big way! I can definitely see why Pokemon wanted to move away from that for a bit because it was getting a bit stale and I think enough time has passed where it can feel a bit more fresh!
The professor was a threat to the world even after death. If their AI double hadn't developed a moral compass then Paldea would have been destroyed in a sea of invasive species, something the professor was absolutely fine with.
in the beginning, you said you would also take the anime into a counting but it feels like you didn't for Lusamine where she didn't abuse her children (rather she was overly supportive to them (Lillie was embarrassed by her)) and there were no frozen Pokémon in the anime also, I guess Piers is #15 (he is still the leader of Team Yell)
Brooo how have you not read more of the pokemon manga besides kanto yet tell us we had 3 years to finish legends arceus lol. What a list although if I'm being honest I think ghetsis should be number 1 that man is pure evil with all his actions he did from manipulating N, wanting to end or harm the various humans and pokemon he interacted In the games he appeared, and really having no remorse or reforming.
I know I'm definitely in the minority here, but I'm still so upset that Volo turned out to be a bad guy. Maybe I'm just dumb but I didn't see his betrayal coming at all. He was such a great companion, even saving the player's life when they were kicked out of the town, and he did everything he could to help your journey. I was so heartbroken when it turned out he didn't care about you at all, really I was :( Also will never forgive USUM for butchering Lusamine's character. Why did they have to try to "redeem" her character? Just make her crazy! I'm sorry but you can't justify child abuse and Pokemon abuse the way she does with "the greater good". She had something so interesting going for her but then it was ruined!!!
I think Archie and Maxie should be switched (unless you include the Manga). That said I do like that Cyrus was placed higher than certain other villains.
Please do a video on the cool or interesting details lost in translation and which countries got it right. Like how dark type in Japan is called evil, but I don’t think Umbreon is evil.
I don't think I'd rank Guzma as more evil than like, the Hoenn morons, even based on your arguments. Yeah he's a crook who does crime, and it hurts people, but his goal is a parallel society where Team Skull can just like...live, having been left behind by Alola. It's a question of intent vs. actions, but I'd still knock him down a couple of steps compared to the ecoterrorists and the incompetent mob capo.
One does not simply make a pack with PokéSatan 😅 add to it, he’s introduced in Masters alongside Jacq, who has a bad habit of attracting morally questionable historians based on Raifort’s little human sacrifice comment. Chaos has to be coming 😂
Remeber. Ghetsis actually tried to murk a child
Two* remeber Lillie in USUM.
Three times, including N.
Lysandre is heavily implied to have boiled two Rocket grunts alive in Masters, and was about to do the same to a Break grunt except we intervened.
He also tried to kill us, and pretty much everybody else in the building including himself after his plan tanked. And there's also the fact that his plan in general didn't spare kids or Pokemon.
AI professors were about to murder some children
Cyrus was gonna murk life like hitting a reset button on a console.
I'd say Ghetsis is absolutely the most evil
with Volo it's hard to tell how much of his friendly demeaner is an act and how much is genuine, and like you said he actually treats his own pokemon well, plus while he said he'd keep trying to take Arceus's place we don't actually know if he ever did anything like he did in legends Arceus again, while Ghetsis not only manipulated his own son, but also mistreats his own pokemon as shown by his Hydreigon having max power frustration, but he also has Opelucid city frozen over (you say Colress gave the order but let's be honest he was probably just relaying the order from Ghetsis) and is the only villain to actively try to kill the player character where they stand, threatens to kill another character with Lillie, and even attacks a poor Rockruff, like you could argue Volo's scheme is more evil but in terms of actual evil done I'd say Ghetsis tops him easily
They are so evil that most of them have Crobats...
and then there is Getchis and hydreigon...
With Frustration, no less.
(...in B2W2 only)
And a Life Orb.
And Volo has three happiness evolutions
Archie is higher than Maxie because Hoenn has too much water
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:36 #14: Penny
1:25 #13: N
2:25 #12: Colress
3:45 #11: Chairman Rose
4:47 #10-9: Archie and Maxie
5:43 #8: Archer
6:25 #7: Guzma
7:02 #6: Lusamine
8:22 #5: Cyrus
9:36 #4: Lyssandre
10:34 #3: Giovanni
11:37 #2: Ghetsis
12:32 #1: Volo
13:51 Outro
Man, I thought I was introverted, but I've never been empty-the-universe-of-everyone-but-me shy.
Penny may not be evil, but the story around her and her team is so good that it really shouldn’t even matter (imo).
Penny ain't even a villain, she's an antagonist.
Like Punisher or Deadpool, they're not villains but antagonize the Marvel heroes.
@@cabrondemente1 Antihero*
lol idk about good
@@LionKing288tell me you never experienced bullying without telling me. God, you’re an awful person.
I saw another villain ranking that recognized that she isn't actually a villain but still put her higher than Archer, because Archer is just a stupid simp
I'd say you could argue Lusamine being higher for the creation of and subsequent mistreatment of the Type:Nulls. Those are literal chimeras made in the image of Pokémon's equivalent to God who are actively hindered by their suppression helmets. Granted I don't remember if it was her, Faba, or Mohn who oversaw the creation of Type:Null but regardless she would've had some form of power in the Aether Foundation to stop the experiment via being the vice president and wife of the foundation's first president and founder or being the president at the time of Type:Null's creation.
Cyrus is a big mood.
Paldea may be the most boring but was also the most tame region in the series if bullying was it's main villain problem
Ok, counter point, area zero. Other than that yeah it’s a pretty tame region
Bullying is still a crime unfortunately, and a serious one at that.
Media has lots of stories about this graphic topic if games like Judgment and Bully exist.
The real problem in Paldea is the Pokémon League's huge staffing problem. The Elite Four all have to have second jobs except for their newest member, an actual fourth grader, because they're just that shorthanded in other areas.
@@nerdorama009it's strange gen 7 and gen 9 have this sub plot of a League being formed/ being very recent I wonder if that's building up to something later
How is Paldea the most boring? But yeah, as someone else pointed out bullying is still a crime and sadly it is still a problem in our world too so I like that Pokemon shone a bit of a light on that.
My biased self wants to remind you all that Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs literally starts with the player getting shot out of the sky by the bad guys. They also try and crash a submarine with their team still inside, end up kidnapping someone’s family and drags them across the region, and the twist villains even destroy a part of the map for good measure.
I freaking love this game.
Edward just casually blows up an island as a statement, and when the heroes eventually confront him in the totally-not-a-Death-Star, he just _casually_ drops this line:
"Is that so? In that case, I'll show you the real voices of Oblivia. I'm afraid they'll probably be screams though."
And the crazy part is that he's (unfortunately) not even the final villain.
I only disagree with Volo, yes, he's really evil, he certainly should be up there, but over the course of the game, he implies he just wants to make a better world, yes killing everyone in the process, but because he thinks the world is a failure and yeah like you said and it's mentioned in Masters EX, Volo does take good care of his Pokémon so... I'd put him maybe behind Giovanni and Ghetsis, actually, only behind Ghetsis, i think it's a better place for him.
Honestly, Volo at least has a potential motive of feeling wronged, given how he and Cogita are from basically an ancient civilization that slowly died out iirc. He clearly does not show it, but the fact there is a reason to his madness makes me think that despite his plan being literally far worse than those of the og versions of Ghetsis and Giovanni (as opposed to USUM where... they're both in it for WAY too much power), he might have been genuinely a nice person at some point way before we got to meet him-- not so differently from Giovanni there.
Ghetsis, as far as we know, does not even have that. The man wants full power and complete control, and will cross *every* moral line he has to to get it. He might not want the entire universe gone immediately like Volo does (and Cyrus pretends he does), but unlike Giovanni, he WOULD snap at some point in frustration and end up GETTING it gone as a result, which makes him a far more dangerous threat to let loose imo because at least we have reason to believe Volo could at least be "satisfied" with getting revenge on Arceus directly even if it means no damage to the actual world, but Ghetsis? We have no reason to believe he'd ever be satisfied with anything, and *that's* the scary part.
Volo has THREE friendship evolutions including ones that can read his heart and soul, and Togekiss is repelled by evil. Yet it's his signature.
I think had N succeeded in splitting humans and Pokemon, I think he and Ghetsis would’ve been mauled by a mob of angry Pokemon. Hell Ghetsis’ own plans would’ve been screwed the moment he’d try to take over given that trainers from other regions could’ve come in to help stop him like what would he do if he had to face off against Cynthia, Steven, Wallace, Diantha, and Lance all at the same time?
I think it’d be cool if a future game had you outright join the equivalent of Team Star/Skull in a war against a villain team in the vein of Galactic, Flare, and Neo Plasma.
Like imagine teaming up with Giacomo or Mela to destroy a Neo Team Plasma base.
In regards to Rose, I’d recommend watching Rewriting Pokemon Sword and Shield by Fudj since it does a good job of making him a villain by having him fix matches and be responsible for Spikemuth being in a worse state than before.
The true villain is JPR for not giving us a Pokémon Horizons review
LOL
I guess I will stay evil then 😈
@@JPRPokeTrainer98 Fr, what is your view on the show? Is it any good for you?
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 He hasn't watch it. That's why there is no review on Horizons.
@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache Ah ok. Thanks!
Personally, I'd rank Archie higher than Gusma just because Archie actually would have killed both people AND Pokémon (due to how many of them are land-based and can't swim; shows you how little his plan would have actually benefited the very creatures he claimed to be doing it for), something Team Skull, as far as I can remember, didn't try to do.
Archie killed Maxie in the manga if you count that
I find Lyssander funny bc depending of the game it changes the motivations for his plans. In X he wants to make some people inmortal just to keep their beauty forever. Meanwhile in Y yeah, he's fully commited to the genocide bit
not really, he say in X , he want to give you the player and your friend , imortality so you will know the pain of waiting for a beatiful world to be built,like him, because your run his plan, but he still want to kill humanity as far as i remember
@ huh, didn’t remember that. It’s been a while since I’ve played X
And in Masters EX, he murked 2 Rocket Grunt with his Volcanion
In regards to Cyrus, I never thought I’d actually relate to a Pokémon villain like him now that I know the truth. Granted I’m wanting to step out into the world now compared to what I was before, and somewhat still am. But I’ve been an introvert my whole life regardless. So seeing him just wanting his own world to be in where he can be an introvert forever, I kind of relate to that. Especially considering what’s going on in today’s modern society. Also Ghetsis should be number 1 more or less because Volo doesn’t have enough to go off of, and Ghetsis is the worst “dad” in Pokémon history. Also he actually tried to kill a child, and I’m pretty sure he has a kill count from that freeze laser. Don’t deny it, no one could survive that arctic blast without warning so easily.
5:30 Did Archie only care about Pokemon in the sea? Because raising sea levels would screw over land based Pokemon and anything that can’t stay airborne.
Volo absolutely earns that spot! I've played every game since Red and Blue and nobody comes close, he's a well crafted Pokémon villain
True Number 1 is Mindy from Sinnoh games
Giovanni is nostalgia, but Ghetsis definitely hit the hardest thanks what he did to N.
Paldea is by far the most boring region but at least Penny was a bit decent. Rose on the other hand is so laughable. But Valo, yeah, he is essentially an evil version of Champion Cynthia herself.
Justice for colliseum and xd D: mirror b and his ludicolo are evil
Offending people with a 3000 Poke haircut is not more evil than proudly claiming apostasy like Volo did
I played Colosseum recently and intentionally stalled him out with Toxic on Umbreon just so I could listen to his banger theme song for longer.
With that said Cipher are really despicable for an evil team and I do believe they should get more credit. Orre in general deserves more credit if you ask me since the grittier setting and focus on double battles helps it stand out against the rest of the main series (keep in mind this is coming from someone who casually plays Gen 3 OU).
@@moblinmajorgeneralArceus honestly deserves to be overthrown. I don't think Volo could honestly do a worse job than it.
Ah yes, stupidity. The stupidest section of evil. Thank you, Rose. At least the manga made ya better buddy
I would put Volo below Ghetsis purely by how he threats his pokemon and when he lost he does give the final plate without any issues.
Volo doesn't understand that his pokémon love him, but they very much do, and in Masters, N even recognizes this
@BJGvideos Volo also has the goal of creating a better world, in a horrible way.. but it is better then what Ghetsis is doing
I don't think we've seen enough of Volo to place him at number 1. He has potential, sure, but there's just so much backstory we don't know about. Maybe Masters EX will give us some answers once all the Arc Suits have been released?
Its still so funny the man who wants to kill god has a togekiss 😭
You ever hear the theory that Ghetsis' Hydreigon's Frustration is max power not because it's an evil monster that hates Ghetsis' guts but because Ghetsis is so evil that he terrified one of the most violent creatures in the franchise into total obedience? I saw this theory on TVTropes and didn't have to think to hard to realize I could see this happening.
He tortured it into obedience, but cost him the use of one of his limbs and an eye
I want to think that after BW2 that Iris adopts his Hydreigon and now it's pampered and gets treats and belly rubs.
Honestly, Guzma is such a homie that I forget he does outright bad things. Like he probably gave the order to steal that Yungoose and Lillie. He's gotten better and has reason for lashing out but he still was doing crimes with little care for the people it hurt.
What really makes Ghetsis such an evil villain is his ego combined with his incredible manipulative nature. The guy was so arrogant that he thought a legendary pokemon that helped shape Unova was beneath him, that he could manipulate Giovanni into achieving his ambitions, and that he can just ignore the rules of pokemon evolution by having a Hydreigon at level 54. Ironically, it was this exact combination that ultimately led to his downfall twice. The moment that his carefully laid plains started to unravel, his true face was revealed. Then when he lost, his scarred ego led to him going crazy.
Professor Sada/Turo have more claim to being the villains of Paldea than anyone in Team Star
...they don't even have a team.
@@Naito115Neither does Volo so what's your point?
Totally they were. Sure we never get to meet them (when we do it's them from another timeline and not the one from our world) but the effects of their actions linger
I still think Darkrai from the mystery dungeon games is up there, his goal is to rule a world in darkness and he literally succeeded at some point but was reversed by the player and their partner. In the postgame he disguises himself as Cresselia to tell the main characters to off themselves and it almost works and let’s not forget he convinced Palkia to off the main characters with that Cresselia disguise. And bro literally can time travel and planned to cover the world in darkness in a different time but was ultimately stopped by Palkia. One more thing, he’s literally the main reason why we get tuned from a human to a Pokémon and the guy who orchestrated that dark dystopian future we saw with a rabid primal dialga too.
Ghetsis is more evil than volo
Colress is a man whose first priprity is the science. He doesn't like Team Plasma or Ghetsis, but he'll go along, make Ghetsis' control cane, trap Kyurem and hook it up to a power generator that's hurting it, and build an ice cannon all because he feels he has to give Ghetsis' methods a fair shot for the sake of scientific objectivity.
By the end, he's determined that his initial hypothesis is correct and so he stops helping Ghetsis. He opens the way for you to reach Ghetsis in full confidence that you'll win and then takes off with the last of the Plasma Frigate's power to hide out at the P2 labs until he can make his way back into society in USUM and publish his research.
We can also look at the rainbow rocket episode for more proof that Cyrus is not as evil as he may seem. After the rotodex comes out and praises Sol/Luna, Cyrus tells rotom that he will not destroy Alola. This heavily implies that while Cyrus does want to be left alone, he also sees Rotom as his only real friend. This does make sense when we consider that Cyrus spent his free time building robots.
Machines. It's never specified to be robots
@@BJGvideos Yes, but robot are the most likely things that he would build. That's why I said robots.
12:28 haha Ultimate Kars reference
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Volo being more evil than Ghetsis is wild. 1) We haven't seen enough of Volo to really put him that high. 2) He had a Togepi that would eventually become a Togekiss. Togepi evolves into Togetic via Friendship. Meanwhile Ghetsis's Hydreigon in B/W has a moveset to counter N's entire team and his Hydreigon in B2/W2 has max power Frustration and holds a Life Orb.
Yes both used a Legendary Pokémon to attack the player character. But there's some differences. With Volo it's more so that he summons Giratina to battle the player character so he can continue with his plan. With Ghetsis, before having Fused Kyurem challenge the player character, he uses Base Kyurem to actually try to kill the player character. And he did so because the B2/W2 protag attempting to thwart his plans had reminded him of the B/W protag who successfully stopped his plans in the events of B/W. So that attempted murder was personal and the B2/W2 protag would be dead if N was just a few seconds too late. And this is just what's canon to the mainline games.
The only one i could think of who is eviler is greevil from xd gale of darkness
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4:24 there was still a little additional lore from the anime. His dad passed away from a coal mine collapse, hence his motivations in the anime
Can’t wait for ranking every Pokemon villain on how they treat Pokemon
You know what, I have a much different opinion of Guzma after watching this. I would've placed him with Chairman Rose before under the idiot category, but you make it make sense.
Batman: Clark, what the hell are good villains?
Mewtwo is the best Pokémon villain to me. His story is deep, especially considering he's half human, half Pokémon, with god-like power and a genius intellect. Other than that, Cyrus is pretty damn evil.
If I had to redesign Cassiopeia aka Penny, I'd give her a simple yet effective change: Propping up her hoodie Giver, her a Eevee mask, and dirty up her outfit a little bit so you won't know who it is until you defeat her the revival will be more satisfying.
Personally, I rather enjoyed the Team Star-stuff.
But anyone calling them "villains" is only showing that they haven't played the games....
Or they’re just categorized in the broadening “villainous team category” for the sake of simplicity.
Well they are villains in the sense that's how a lot of people in Paldea painted them as, they were pushed so far and made out to be the villains when actually it was the bullies who were the bad ones.
They're not even the villains of their own plotline. Harrington and the unnamed deputy are.
Guzma also willingly participated in Lusamine’s false flag operation whereby Team Skull would target Pokemon Lusamine wanted, so that she could justify taking them to the Aether Foundation for “protection.” Being a part of that conspiracy is pretty evil on Guzma’s part.
So after you made the tierlist in the championsleague podcast about all villains, you thought lets milk a video out of it. That is just a true villain
Origins has one of my favorite versions of Giovanni. A grown man who became corrupt by a desire for more money and power. It’s like watching a man remember what makes him cheerful.
Also, and this is off-topic, but Volo feels like an SMT villain with the whole making a pact with a Poke-demon and wanting to recreate the world ordeal.
Tbh I think ghetsis is a little bit more evil than volo but it’s basically splitting hairs
Hoenn fans were you at?
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I would argue that people like Rose and Lysander are significantly worse than you believe them to be because they are driven by ego and narcissism. They are so high on their own hype that they believe they have the RIGHT to make the decisions they do and will reject any dissenting opinions that aren't backed with enough force to make them stop. Giovanni is less evil than they are because Giovanni never bothers to try and wrap up his ego driven goals in some form of righteousness. He's upfront and honest about his intentions making him, ironically, more virtuous than Rose or Lysander.
I don't mind the more recent villains being less "evil" tbh. IMO most of the villains have good intentions but bad execution. Ghetsis would def top my evil list
I think animals deserve to be here just as much as humans. We already took as much land away from them as we did, they deserve some respect
We went from fighting crime bosses, and super villains that wanted to change the world to fighting edgy teens that felt like outcasts in middle school...
But they weren't even the villains of their own story. Harrington and his unnamed deputy were the real villains of the Star plot. And the villains of the entire game were out to destroy the ecosystem via time machine monsters (and also they neglected their son and abused their assistant)
How is Volo, who has three friendship evolutions and seems to calm down almost immediately after storming off (we have no reason not to believe Laventon's account of things, after all), above Ghetsis, who abuses nearly everyone he encounters to the point where his three headed death dragon is terrified of him?
The only villain who even comes close to Ghetsis on the evil standpoint is Purple Eyes from Ranger 3 and even then there's a wide gulf. After him, probably the Orre villains.
Volo, Cyrus, and Lusamine are more sick than purely evil.
Colress being so low when he froze a damn city is laughable.
The actual SV villains don't even appear on this list. They criminally neglected their son, abused their assistant by making them part of the lab security system and requiring them to sacrifice themselves to shut it down, and planned to destroy the ecosystem via time-displaced monsters, considering it acceptable losses? Seriously how are Sada and Turo not on here?
Also you seem to...not really understand Cyrus's goals. His aim is to rid the world of emotions so there will be no more suffering, not to be alone. He even tells Cynthia flat out that if he "went off somewhere alone" then he could never achieve his aim. However he also realizes rhat a flawed world is better than no world at all. In the Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga (which is a different one from Adventures, the one you cite), he has a change of heart after that, realizing that he really doesn't have what it takes to bring about the changes he desires. And while he does need to be alone to ponder this, locked in a dark room and tied to a chair, he realizes that he wants to put that behind him and do better.
Also on that note there are multiple manga series.
The anime added one thing for Rose that i find fascinating and that's the death of his father in a mining accident when Rose was a child. It added urgency to his plans. He can't wait one more day because that could mean the difference between life and death for someone, another family shattered like his was. And it also explains a lot about his brother Peony, who's so clingy with his daughters because he knows firsthand how quickly things can change.
Cyrus is the icon of introverts😂
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Where's Piers? He's not that evil, but he's technically an evil team leader.
Masters and online animation are NOT canon
They are but they're their own canons.
@ no they’re not. They don’t make sense and are crap
@@phoenixblade8315 alternate universe stuff
@@phoenixblade8315 Yeah they are. They're canon to themselves. They happen in their own timelines. Just like each manga series is their own timelines as well, and the anime , and so on
@ that crap has been done to death and it’s stale
I'm noticing a distinct lack of Team Yell here.
*Good.*
Team Yell isn't an evil team. They're just Piers' rowdy Gym Trainers.
Where is Team Yell?
I'd add Silver to the list and rank him at the bottom (since he was just a lowly thief who learned late that Pokemon love friendship)
My lord, looking at the main character's soulless faces from Sun/Moon and the Ultra versions of those is hilarious
As if they don't care what happens
What about Swordwart and Shieldbert? I think there evil. Stupid but evil
They're more evil than Rose, honestly
@@BJGvideos Yeah I took great pleasure beating them up with Eternatus
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I feared JPR would turn into yet another WickedBinge clone.
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Team star is the only group I'm fully behind
Ghetsis getting #2 makes me happy :)
Cyrus truly is insane like total annihilation of the universe so you can be the only one in your new universe was crazy. The way Lusamine is in the anime is the complete opposite of her game counterpart.
He never wanted to be the only one in his new universe. That's a gross misunderstanding of his goal.
Giovanni is so overrated
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I think we're due for another villain team that's genuinely evil AND a threat to the world. The misfit teams were a nice change of pace, but they've overstayed their welcome. Heck, Scarlet and Violet didn't really have a single, formally established antagonist: Penny isn't really evil at all, the professor was ambiguous at worst, Kieran was misguided by his own ambition, the Lousy Three play a smaller role in Teal Mask, and Pecharunt only has an hour-long epilogue to shine (although credit where credit's due: it REALLY made the most of it!). Here's hoping we can get a real antagonist again in Generation 10 (Volo notwithstanding, but even he didn't show his true colors until the very end).
Yeah, personally I love Team Skull and Team Star but I would love the next villainous team to be a proper evil organization, I think now we've had a break from that I think it'd be good to bring it back in a big way! I can definitely see why Pokemon wanted to move away from that for a bit because it was getting a bit stale and I think enough time has passed where it can feel a bit more fresh!
@@friendlyotaku9525 Exactly!
The professor was a threat to the world even after death. If their AI double hadn't developed a moral compass then Paldea would have been destroyed in a sea of invasive species, something the professor was absolutely fine with.
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in the beginning, you said you would also take the anime into a counting
but it feels like you didn't for Lusamine
where she didn't abuse her children (rather she was overly supportive to them (Lillie was embarrassed by her))
and there were no frozen Pokémon in the anime
also, I guess Piers is #15 (he is still the leader of Team Yell)
Not even an evil team by technicality, just rowdy sports fans
Brooo how have you not read more of the pokemon manga besides kanto yet tell us we had 3 years to finish legends arceus lol. What a list although if I'm being honest I think ghetsis should be number 1 that man is pure evil with all his actions he did from manipulating N, wanting to end or harm the various humans and pokemon he interacted In the games he appeared, and really having no remorse or reforming.
I know I'm definitely in the minority here, but I'm still so upset that Volo turned out to be a bad guy. Maybe I'm just dumb but I didn't see his betrayal coming at all. He was such a great companion, even saving the player's life when they were kicked out of the town, and he did everything he could to help your journey. I was so heartbroken when it turned out he didn't care about you at all, really I was :(
Also will never forgive USUM for butchering Lusamine's character. Why did they have to try to "redeem" her character? Just make her crazy! I'm sorry but you can't justify child abuse and Pokemon abuse the way she does with "the greater good". She had something so interesting going for her but then it was ruined!!!
The ending of SM implies that Lusamine can be redeemed, but has a very long and hard road ahead of her to do so.
I'd swap 1 and 2, and put Colress next to Guzma, but otherwise honestly solid list lol
Archie wanted to wrassle a whale
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do a list for the manga villains
And please include multiple manga. Let's see Io and the Electric Tale version of Giovanni on there!
5:24 it’s illegal in North Carolina to discuss climate change and environmental science 💀
6:06 why were they walking like that?
Archie looks more evil than Maxie
Didn’t ghetsis try to execute the gym leaders?
JPR my gaming recap said I watch more of your content than 95.5% of your viewers/sub's.Crazy right?
Where is Piers? The leader of team yell?
Where are the villians from pokemon yellow, jessie and james??
I think Archie and Maxie should be switched (unless you include the Manga). That said I do like that Cyrus was placed higher than certain other villains.
Brian France isn't on here.
Liked because of the shirt, I tell ya hwhat.
Please do a video on the cool or interesting details lost in translation and which countries got it right. Like how dark type in Japan is called evil, but I don’t think Umbreon is evil.
I don't think I'd rank Guzma as more evil than like, the Hoenn morons, even based on your arguments. Yeah he's a crook who does crime, and it hurts people, but his goal is a parallel society where Team Skull can just like...live, having been left behind by Alola. It's a question of intent vs. actions, but I'd still knock him down a couple of steps compared to the ecoterrorists and the incompetent mob capo.
The pokemon manga mde me love Team Magma and Aqua because they easily have one of the best fights on the games
Are there any truly evil pokemon?
Pecharunt
One does not simply make a pack with PokéSatan 😅 add to it, he’s introduced in Masters alongside Jacq, who has a bad habit of attracting morally questionable historians based on Raifort’s little human sacrifice comment. Chaos has to be coming 😂
Volo has a habit of confiding in purple scientists who make pokédexes too.
No... Team Yell huh. Yeah that tracks.
They're just rowdy sports fans, not an evil team by definition