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Anything featuring Dr. Kipp is worth watching.
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This is the best an all powerful entity left us, so we can avoid eternal damnation.
Could you do better?
@@DeepDrinks You asking if I can do better than the Almighty? How can humans outdo the Most High? It is impossible. I hope you understand that.
@@henrim9348 hypothetically, would you do it any differently?
@@DeepDrinks Honestly, if I were god, i wouldn't bother getting annoyed by humans. Why would i ruin my peace and have to judge 100 billion dead people? Well ... unless i wanted to enjoy all these beautiful earhly women ... lol ... lol ... lol ... have you read the book of Enoch?
I think the handwriting analysis stuff is so cool. I wonder how accurate these things are… do we even have enough texts to get a good estimate of the minimum and maximum allowable ages for a given handwriting style? If the NT data is this sparse, what are we calibrating against and how much data is there? Really fascinating stuff
Paleography is not an exact science, for sure, and it has a margin of error but it's at least ok at telling you LATEST likely dates. Handwriting changes over time so you can usually have confidence that if you see a letter written a certain way, it was after a certain time. it doesn't necessarily work the other way around, though. Something that looks old isn't necessarily old because sometimes people deliberately imitated older writing styles for aesthetic or political or theological reasons (just like people sometimes imitate old timey handwriting now). Paleography is mostly reliable in most cases but it's not scientific. It's more likely to misdate something as early than as late.
There are tens of thousands of mss outside of the NT that provide useful comparative data for dating. These are not just literary texts, but also documents, letters and inscriptions.
@@DrKippDavis Nice! I didn’t know there were so many? How many of those are really informative wrt handwriting? E.g., do inscriptions really help that much if the tools used to shape the letters differ from those used to write on papyrus? And do we think that business transaction records are informative about the handwriting of the people who would have copied the NT text? Genuinely curious… I don’t have strong priors here.
I just realized I neede a black t-shirt with a picture of a manuscript that contains the 616 of revelations 13
"Although a few Christian books may be as old as the 2nd century, none of them must be that old ... The drive to have older and older Christian manuscripts, however, shows no signs of abating".
Epilogue p.269. God's Library: The Archaeology of the Earliest Christian Manuscripts
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At the end, @DrKippDavis says we have no reason to suspect the 2nd Century mss. are very different from the originals, but we don't know. I do remember from my extensive study of Ehrmaneutics that the *rate* of variation is higher the older the date range we examine, which does not bode well for anyone's hopes of approximating the autographs. Cool to see Dr. Kill exercising his ancient Greek chops.
The earliest fragment/copy that you have might not even be a copy unless you have extra-textual reasons to think that they have an earlier source.
Nowadays God doesn't need scribes to write on Papyrus scrolls he can just use emails .Justin Porter ex jw ❤️
I get to correct Kipp, this will be fun.
P66 is not the "complete" gospel of John, even if we deal with missing pieces
- missing the pericope adulterae
- missing most of chapter 21
By calling it a complete copy I meant to show that at least we have evidence of what was once an intact copy of "John," however it happened to look at the end of the second century.
@@DrKippDavis That then begs the question what is the gospel of John if it can be complete and yet still incomplete.
@@Darisiabgal7573 This was Schrödinger's Codex.
@@DrKippDavis Thank you for showing us that website, now I am having lots of fun.
The conclusion is incorrect: He ends with "We just don't know". No, we do know the manuscripts are old. The church fathers were very clear on this.
Evidence is evidence, including testimony and tradition,. Even if you don't like this kind of evidence, it is evidence.
How about the writing of Apostle Paul? He authored half the new testament.
Did he talk much about Jesus’s life?
@@DeepDrinks the other apostles co-signed him and confirmed his version of the gospel and his apostleship. chosen by Jesus to preach to the non-Jews. (Galatians 2: 1-9 ) (Acts 15: 2)
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