For the rules discussion at 16:59 I believe that based on current rules you cannot avoid the black vise damage even if you destroy the black vise. Everything in the upkeep goes onto the stack at the beginning of the upkeep. There is no more separation between "during your upkeep." and "at the beginning of your upkeep." THANK YOU for doing this game and posting it guys. I love so much about it. The cards, the discussion, and watching how focused Brian is. I had forgotten how intense he is when playing, but watching this it totally took me back there.
Yeah I can understand the confusion though because some abilities of some artifacts check the stack for quantity of cards , cards in play , creatures in play etc upon resolution of the stack so qty is manipulatable in some states. But I am almost positive vise checks qty when placed on the stack because it says at the beginning of your upkeep. And as far a my memory is you can't manipulate beginning of upkeep dmg before it's qty reaches the stack.
"What the hell are you doing"? "I'm destroying all three of your lands" hahahaha that's the first time I've ever seen anyone actually use a chaos orb lol
Thank you for the kind words. I actually was one of the first regular Pro Tour commentators for a few years back between 1997 and 1999. I worked primarily with Chris Pikula, coverage we did found its way onto ESPN 2.
Brian Weissman I'm just wondering why don't u stack you lands like all volcanic together? Just don't like to or is it the price? Any particular reason ?
I'll take a stab at this one: several benefits, including but not limited to: defense against chaos orb throws, ease of counting at a glance, creating weird layouts to cause opponent mistakes... and more
I remember playing T1 against Weissman back in the 90s at all the PTs and he was always a nice guy. Took the time to show me his newest Decklist that had 4 Mystical tutors in it, and gave me lots of tips on how to play T1 Magic. I am glad to see he is still slinging spells.
This is really exciting for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that there is so little footage of The Deck in action on youtube. Can't wait for part 2
Brian Nye, The Magic Guy! Oh snap, you see his deck, so damn beautiful. Look at them biceps hugging his sleeves and I'm not talkin bout his card sleeves guys!
This is cool. I looked up the deck after watching this. Gonna take a stab at building a budget version. Really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
The MTG fidget tics have creeped into Old School as well. Every time Brian draws a card he puts it back onto the table and then slides it to himself then puts it into his deck.
Daniel, there is a serious amount of glare in the video. Is it possible to arange future videos of MtG like this, in a room with passive lighting so the glare is severely reduced?
So Daniel, Im from Paris France, and guess who my dad saw after one his meetings at the West End Hotel (I think it was), trading some cards 😉 Hope you enjoyed your stay !
Is there a modification to the format rules that made it so the Chose Orb didn't also destroy the Strip Mine and Tundra in addition to the scepter? Like, do you only get one card to keep people from covering their stuff with a playmat?
Chaos Orb errata Chaos Orb (2) Artifact (1), Tap: Choose a nontoken permanent on the battlefield. If Chaos Orb is on the battlefield, flip Chaos Orb onto the battlefield from a height of at least one foot. If Chaos Orb turns over completely at least once during the flip, and touches the chosen permanent, destroy that permanent. Then destroy Chaos Orb.
man I wish I was around in the early days of magic... great video daniel, love these different types of content. I cant wait till I live in seattle again, would love to play at mox boarding house!
lol at Daniel who never seen anybody Disenchant an Howling Mine... I mean it's basic card advantage which is so much important in Old School. th-cam.com/video/dESG9lC6HJs/w-d-xo.html
So, I've playtested The Deck online, but I don't get it. What is the win con? There are no creatures and only counters and artifacts that don't win you the game. Is it Fireball?
The win condition is mostly irrelevant, but for this particular showdown I was using a single copy of Shivan Dragon. The dragon is an excellent finisher because its 5 toughness puts it out of range of both blue and red removal, and it deals insane damage once Blood Moon is in play from the sideboard. Back in the day The Deck's main finisher was actually Mirror Universe, which allowed an autonomous kill thanks to mana burn and pre-"6th Edition Rules". The rules before the release of 6th Edition stated you didn't die until the end of a phase, so you could reduce yourself to one life between turns with mana burn, then tap a City of Brass during upkeep to reduce yourself to zero. Since you didn't die until the end of upkeep, you could then swap life using Mirror Universe, instantly killing your opponent. Once The Deck has its hooks in you, it can kill you with nearly anything. I've decked hundreds of opponents using Braingeyser, fueled with a loop of Mana Drain, Regrowth and Recall. That chain of spells allows you to move mana between turns, generating enough collective horsepower to Braingeyser someonefor 40 or more cards at once. The sequence would be something like: Target opponent with Braingeyser for 15, mana drain it. Next turn, regrow Braingeyser, cast it for 30, Mana Drain it again. Next turn, Recall Braingeyser, cast it for lethal. You could often weave Time Walk in there to prevent your opponent from even interacting with a card on their turn.
And that's what I love about the Deck. There isn't just the one win condition. Like you said once the Deck has its hooks in you i would say you nearly can do everything you want with your opponent. :)
Brian Weissman great to see you playing IRL. You mentioned a single Shivan as your finisher. Do you have a deck list to share? I'd love to see your 75. :-)
why does he FRRRRRRAAP all the cards constantly the enemy deck as well FLLLLRRRRRRRRRRPPP!! how can he sit there letting him touch his deck going FRRRRRRRPP while holding a stack of cards worth 5-50$ i can almost feel the discomfort
This is such a turn off to the format... I was interested in building a deck before watching this now i realize the format is full of a bunch of pompous scrubs that have no tabletop manner and are completely set in their own way of playing refusing any change for the better. What a joke.
Jerry Garcia they spaced cards out on purpose because of chaos orb. One flip of that card destroys any permanent it lands on. Plus there were 3 rolls of play...lands, artifacts, spells. It just how the game was played in 94-96
Video should've been titled "Two guys shuffling 10k worth of cards like it's nothing"
50k*
For the rules discussion at 16:59 I believe that based on current rules you cannot avoid the black vise damage even if you destroy the black vise. Everything in the upkeep goes onto the stack at the beginning of the upkeep. There is no more separation between "during your upkeep." and "at the beginning of your upkeep."
THANK YOU for doing this game and posting it guys. I love so much about it. The cards, the discussion, and watching how focused Brian is. I had forgotten how intense he is when playing, but watching this it totally took me back there.
It's been "at the beginning of your upkeep" since the 1999 sixth Edition rules change, so i wonder what he's refering to.
Yeah I can understand the confusion though because some abilities of some artifacts check the stack for quantity of cards , cards in play , creatures in play etc upon resolution of the stack so qty is manipulatable in some states. But I am almost positive vise checks qty when placed on the stack because it says at the beginning of your upkeep. And as far a my memory is you can't manipulate beginning of upkeep dmg before it's qty reaches the stack.
I have tons of respect for Brian but omg that shuffling and draw 7. I can't.
"What the hell are you doing"?
"I'm destroying all three of your lands"
hahahaha that's the first time I've ever seen anyone actually use a chaos orb lol
brian would be such a good representative for magic/wotc, not those greasy dudes you see on the pro tours
Thank you for the kind words. I actually was one of the first regular Pro Tour commentators for a few years back between 1997 and 1999. I worked primarily with Chris Pikula, coverage we did found its way onto ESPN 2.
Brian Weissman I'm just wondering why don't u stack you lands like all volcanic together? Just don't like to or is it the price? Any particular reason ?
I'll take a stab at this one: several benefits, including but not limited to: defense against chaos orb throws, ease of counting at a glance, creating weird layouts to cause opponent mistakes... and more
Chaos Orb can only destroy a single permanent per Old School/93-94 errata, but your other ideas are solid. Or it could just be random ;)
Winston you are correct but Brian has been playing Old School since before it was Old School.
Good to see Brian back in the seat behind some power-- The Deck in its natural habitat. :)
I remember playing T1 against Weissman back in the 90s at all the PTs and he was always a nice guy. Took the time to show me his newest Decklist that had 4 Mystical tutors in it, and gave me lots of tips on how to play T1 Magic. I am glad to see he is still slinging spells.
This is really exciting for many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that there is so little footage of The Deck in action on youtube. Can't wait for part 2
Brian Nye, The Magic Guy! Oh snap, you see his deck, so damn beautiful. Look at them biceps hugging his sleeves and I'm not talkin bout his card sleeves guys!
So great to see the man himself playing his Deck. Awesome! It got me a big smile on my face. :)
Video should've been titled "Two guys shuffling 100k worth of cards like it's nothing" 10:25 Alpha Duels, Lotus, Gems, Many Alpha
Time walk is my favorite art. The artist print really shows you the color that got lost in the printing process. Beautiful art.
This is cool. I looked up the deck after watching this. Gonna take a stab at building a budget version. Really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
WOW Brian! Epic video!
Fantastic upload Daniel! I hope PART 2 coming soon.
laurence boubou thanks will be doing that next week when I get back in town!
I like how you could draw a perfect grid under Brian's cards and they'd all line up. Methodical awesomeness!!
Billy Webster OCD much :)?
The MTG fidget tics have creeped into Old School as well. Every time Brian draws a card he puts it back onto the table and then slides it to himself then puts it into his deck.
Daniel, there is a serious amount of glare in the video. Is it possible to arange future videos of MtG like this, in a room with passive lighting so the glare is severely reduced?
Professor Weissman delivers!
So Daniel, Im from Paris France, and guess who my dad saw after one his meetings at the West End Hotel (I think it was), trading some cards 😉
Hope you enjoyed your stay !
Victor M. Oh nice! Where you from?
Vintage MTG Suburbs of Paris, basically :)
Part 2? It was getting really interesting. :\
Is there a modification to the format rules that made it so the Chose Orb didn't also destroy the Strip Mine and Tundra in addition to the scepter? Like, do you only get one card to keep people from covering their stuff with a playmat?
Yes it has errata in old school format 94 to destroy a single permanent.
Chaos Orb errata
Chaos Orb (2)
Artifact
(1), Tap: Choose a nontoken permanent on the battlefield. If Chaos Orb is on the battlefield, flip Chaos Orb onto the battlefield from a height of at least one foot. If Chaos Orb turns over completely at least once during the flip, and touches the chosen permanent, destroy that permanent. Then destroy Chaos Orb.
Who won ???
Brian's deck is beautiful. Hope mine will look as good someday :-D
It was all Beta I think. Some of which he won in ANTE!!!
To bad such an icon is showing bad form with the pile shuffle
Why didn't the Chaos Orb at the end not remove the Stripe Mine as well?
God I love this channel.
ffs pile shuffling is not shuffling it is counting, but afterwards the deck must be randomized
man I wish I was around in the early days of magic... great video daniel, love these different types of content. I cant wait till I live in seattle again, would love to play at mox boarding house!
lol at Daniel who never seen anybody Disenchant an Howling Mine... I mean it's basic card advantage which is so much important in Old School.
th-cam.com/video/dESG9lC6HJs/w-d-xo.html
KingMukla I'm still learning Obi wan
The sound is so bad, can you record it better and invest in some video editing?
Where are they playing at? That game store looks amazing!
Card Kingdom
So, I've playtested The Deck online, but I don't get it. What is the win con? There are no creatures and only counters and artifacts that don't win you the game. Is it Fireball?
The win condition is mostly irrelevant, but for this particular showdown I was using a single copy of Shivan Dragon. The dragon is an excellent finisher because its 5 toughness puts it out of range of both blue and red removal, and it deals insane damage once Blood Moon is in play from the sideboard. Back in the day The Deck's main finisher was actually Mirror Universe, which allowed an autonomous kill thanks to mana burn and pre-"6th Edition Rules". The rules before the release of 6th Edition stated you didn't die until the end of a phase, so you could reduce yourself to one life between turns with mana burn, then tap a City of Brass during upkeep to reduce yourself to zero. Since you didn't die until the end of upkeep, you could then swap life using Mirror Universe, instantly killing your opponent. Once The Deck has its hooks in you, it can kill you with nearly anything. I've decked hundreds of opponents using Braingeyser, fueled with a loop of Mana Drain, Regrowth and Recall. That chain of spells allows you to move mana between turns, generating enough collective horsepower to Braingeyser someonefor 40 or more cards at once. The sequence would be something like: Target opponent with Braingeyser for 15, mana drain it. Next turn, regrow Braingeyser, cast it for 30, Mana Drain it again. Next turn, Recall Braingeyser, cast it for lethal. You could often weave Time Walk in there to prevent your opponent from even interacting with a card on their turn.
And that's what I love about the Deck. There isn't just the one win condition. Like you said once the Deck has its hooks in you i would say you nearly can do everything you want with your opponent. :)
Thanks for the explanation, Brian!
Brian Weissman great to see you playing IRL. You mentioned a single Shivan as your finisher. Do you have a deck list to share? I'd love to see your 75. :-)
I thought you cant use white boarders in Old School Magic???
LOL, Unlimited is white border, and has the Power 9.
Commentary is awful it felt ackward and a bit kiss ass. But at least you got to film one of the greats in the game.
That ruffle of the cards, I could see the bend in them from riffling. Not good for expensive cards. Why does he do that?
He is incredibly rich from GGG games
Great game and awesome decks. But its rude to chew gum when you playing games
why does he FRRRRRRAAP all the cards constantly
the enemy deck as well
FLLLLRRRRRRRRRRPPP!!
how can he sit there letting him touch his deck going FRRRRRRRPP while holding a stack of cards worth 5-50$ i can almost feel the discomfort
18:30-18:36 come on boys
Hate seeing people pile shuffle like that. And his explanation for why is just ignorant. Please learn how randomization works.
Dremin2009 My thought exactly.
*man bun*
trash bag tie.
I hate "the deck". Serras counterspells andchecks for life b
This is such a turn off to the format... I was interested in building a deck before watching this now i realize the format is full of a bunch of pompous scrubs that have no tabletop manner and are completely set in their own way of playing refusing any change for the better. What a joke.
Jerry Garcia they spaced cards out on purpose because of chaos orb. One flip of that card destroys any permanent it lands on. Plus there were 3 rolls of play...lands, artifacts, spells. It just how the game was played in 94-96
Can't even see the cards ! WAISt of video ! Awful quality
lol welcome to 93/94 format. Go look up some decklists online. They are all blurry burner cellphone photos of decks laid out on bar tables.