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- 🌱LINKTREE: linktr.ee/deepdrinks You are about to learn a history of Christianity that is rarely taught by the church and often withheld from ministry college graduates; this history encompasses Christianity's rich and diverse past.
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"make sure to share this with your fundamentalist auntie" 😂
Haha! We all have one
❤Proof Jesus healing energy warning it's intense
This was so well done!
Thanks mate!
Fantastic! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Mind-blowing! 🤯💥
Thank you so much 😀
Fantastic. More of this please
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That Dead Sea scroll discovery is still so mind blowing… I’ll never forget hearing that on the livestream
It's wild!
14:40 Lol, you have Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion music in the background by Jeremy Soule!
The whole thing is oblivion music lol
I kept getting flashbacks to the game and that was really fighting hard for my attention while listening to this
put in my Save list.
So Judas iscariot wasn’t bad but rather we should thank him for his bravery and courage
The Gospel of Judas and the Nag Hammadi Library have been C14 dated to the mid 4th century after the Nicene Council. Ask what physical evidence survives from the earlier centuries, how that evidence is dated and the error bounds of this dating. The New Testament contains a great deal of Roman propaganda (Give the emperor whatever TF he wants). Keep an open mind.
It’s my understanding that although there may not be physical evidence, much of the Gnostic texts were from the 2nd century?
Bro uses Jeremy Soule music for background, this is highly apreciated
Honestly it’s what makes the video
Wow, this video really shocked me (in a positive way). I've long since stopped believing in the Bible, but this was still really enjoyable to watch.
Glad you enjoyed it! I am similar to yourself. I still find it very interesting
What a beauty, so glad l saw this .
Thankyou
Mark and the Oddysey? Genius :) the God of Jesus is more as the God of Socrates than the god of the Jews. And it is the Mark gospel that rejects the “god of the elders and customs”. Mark has been underestimated.
"the God of Jesus is more as the God of Socrates than the god of the Jews"..... DAMN!
Antisemitic interpretation of the Bible at its finest. Unsubbed...
I love the trinity picture of the father the son and this girl Zoe . Like it’s a tv sitcom
At its heart, Christianity is about power. You can't have a Messiah preach about a god who is going to conquer all one day, who gets killed and never comes back, and not expect that his followers won't squash dissent among themselves, when at the base of the whole thing, there is a god who is supposed to squash all dissent. Squashing dissent is what drew those people to what was common in their belief, and they've been left to their own devices. Either that religion will vanish over a few hundred years, or it will get violent, and power hungry, and swallow everything that threatens it.
"Either that religion will vanish over a few hundred years, or it will get violent, and power hungry, and swallow everything that threatens it." How have you just summed up religion so perfectly!
That or an egalitarian philosophy (potentially of a mystic kind akin to Daoism) inspired by the least unsavory bits of it will supplant it
Makes sense. Jesus, being the Creator in the flesh, is also the God of the Old Testament.... so the Beatitudes lend weight to the authenticity and truth of the Bible.
Interesting take. Thoughts on Odysseus?
I’m not convinced that the beatitudes (and the woes?) can be derived from the Dead Sea scrolls. I’d like to see where the parallels are. It would be pretty crazy if there’s a case for this.
Hey DeepDrinks, how do you navigate conversations and maintain respect with your fundamentalist/conservative friends or family? This is the hardest part for me, as they all knew me as the guy who was on fire for sola scriptura. Now I'm a religiously agnostic theist and I'm having a hard time being honest with them in fear of it going very badly.
This is a great question. I held back from making conversations about anything I was learning unless I got permission from the person, so say someone started talking about the King James version or something else, I would just listen, then if they looked as though they were wanting my input, I would say something like "I have a bit of a different perspective, can I share it with you?"
However, I have also had nights with family and friends crying for me until like 3am (where I finally left).
The other thing I do is try techniques used in street epistemology, I ask questions that can help them ask the same questions I would ask in my deconstruction, but will lead them to my understand my perspective;
"When you say that the King James is x, what would it mean if it wasnt?"
Honestly though, this is one of the hardest things about deconstructing and there are not right answers, I think being respectful and not challenging someone faith (unless they give you permission) is a good place to start.
Even when a street preacher ignored my request and kept preaching at me, I asked "can I ask you some tough questions about your faith" and then asked them about slavery of which they had no clue.
Marciano was not the first Christian Canon, he did it before iews did
Who was the first?
Can this be considered plagiarism? The Bible seems full of this
Why i say son Looks like you borrowed one of dem dar watchtower pictures
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What age was the wee morman lad? What age was jesus when he turned the table mhmm
Old enough to know better? Idno
I’m sorry - the two side to side beatitudes are completely different… only the form is maintained but not the content. Are there some other Qumran beatitudes that actually sound like those associated with Jesus? If there aren’t … it is misleading to say or imply that “Jesus’ beatitudes are found written before Jesus”.
I can see your perspective, but "beatitudes" are a style of writing, that style is not original to Jesus like 99% of Christianity believes.
Dr. Kipp mentioned that they are not a carbon copy but instead 8 short blessed statements followed by a longer 9th.
Much like how "Love of money is the mother-city of all evils." is a quote from Bion of Borysthenes (300 years before Jesus was born) isn't a 1 for 1 copy, to when Jesus says "The Love of Money is the ROOT of all evil"
It seems rather likely that the words attributed to Jesus either were spoken by Jesus who was giving his own twist on already existing ideas, or that the anonymous gospel writers were taking scenes from sayings and stories from the day and attributing them to Jesus.
Either way, Kipp postfaces this with "I think it tells us allot about Jesus" In other words, he was a product of his time influenced by the culture, religion and customs around him.
It may have been better if that was suggested outright, hence why I included the translation.
@@DeepDrinks yes the twist - the whole movement is based on a twist :) …. I suppose Jesus hanged because he maintained the format but twisted the content till he became too dangerous or, at least, annoying, to the “content holders” of his time
Dr Kipp does say “it’s not a carbon copy”. He is explaining that the source material is being drawn from, not copied.
@Gnostic Informant ok, but who cares if Jesus uses a style of teaching that was used at the time? How is this shocking? That's like someone using the style of Shakespearean poetry during the time of Shakespeare. It's completely overblown, the teaching was still new and original even if the style used wasn't
I cared, I once thought that the beatitudes were divinely inspired.
Totally off on iudas gospel fyi
Where abouts?
The God of the Bible is bad association and I don't want him playing anywhere near my imagination. Justin porter ex jw
Christianity does not teach Christianity! Christianity teaches Paul and Peter ideology which is opposite of Jesus Christ! Christianity teaches an ideology opposite of Yahweh God! Christianity is religion. God and Jesus Christ had nothing to do with a religion or institution.