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How is he punished? He isn't speaking truth to power or is right wing or is talking about the whole race iq thing.. Why would they punish him? He talks about main stream PC history.
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When the part about the scabbard was read, I got what the message was: if you carry a scabbard, people will assume you are ready to fight, but willing to talk. If you walk around with a drawn sword, though, everyone will assume you are there to kill them and want to fight you because they feel they must. Maybe in this version of the story, it was literal and magical, but I sense that expression was originally used metaphorically.
So, I study a lot of the early Welsh texts (including the Arthurian bits), and every pre-Monmouth text you mentioned I have on my shelf and have read (most of at least, Gildas gets a little too religious for me so it’s a chore even though I find it funny). If you’re interested in talking more about it or delving deeper I’d love to talk about it! There aren’t many people in Southern California who study this... Also, I can definitely help with the welsh pronunciation, I’m quite into linguistics, and welsh is of particular interest to me. And Bede is pronounced like bead.
You ain't kidding. SoCal is filled with carb-phobic imbeciles. But the weather's great! 🙄 I am sorta fascinated with Bede's life as a witness to history. Did he ever leave Jarrow? (Edit misspelled Jarrow. Bwahahaa. Who's the imbecile now)? ☺️🤣
Slight correction depending on how pretentious you'd like to sound :), Bede (in its pronunciation true to the Old English) is said like beda (IPA - [ˈbæːdɑ] ). But yes, you're correct that nowadays it is said like beed (IPA - [biːd] ).
Interesting talk so far, but you're right - the Welsh pronunciations are awful! ;) In the spirit of giving something back... sounds below in [brackets] are the emphasis syllables in the word, which is almost always the penultimate syllable in a multi-syllabic word.. Caerfyrddin (Carmarthen) = c-aye-r [vuhr]-thin (dd is always pronounced "th" as in "the", not "thanks") Myrddin = [muhr]-thin Y Gododdin = uh god-[o]-thin (the middle o is a short sound that rhymes with the "god", not a long sound like "ode") Mabinogion = mab-ih-[nog]-yon (there isn't a soft "g" in Welsh, it's always a hard "g" sound) Ysbaddaden Pencawr = us-ba-[tha]-den [pen]-cow-r (cow as in the bovine animal!) Cai = K-aye Bedwyr = [bed]-weer (in this circumstance, the "w" is a consonant rather than a vowel so is pronounced as it is in English) Gwalchmei = [gwalkh]-may Gwrhyr = [goor]-heer Taliesin = tal-ee-[ehss]-in That'll do for now! :D
I've never understood why. I mean, the English have lived next door to the Welsh for more than a millennium and a half, and _still_ can't get it right ;) BTW, Culhwch = [keel]-hookh
@@KowboyUSA the roots of Celtic language are as old as Latin and Greek. The difficulty most people have is with the orthography (spelling system), which is made worse by the fact that Irish represents similar phonology in a completely different way, so similar sounding cognates may look completely unrelated. Welsh and Irish must have diverged long before English was ever invented.
@@aaronfleisher4694 I think there's a difference between a good accent and correct pronunciation. Welsh is more or less phonetic and the penultimate stress pattern is fairly regular. The main reason most people get Welsh wrong is because they didn't bother to learn the rules.
I dislike the criticism of Herodotus that his material was largely "unfounded". He was pretty clear when he had only heard something or observed it himself, and also provided many criticisms of what may have been inaccurate information. The Greeks during his time viewed the world through a perspective of mythology and superstition, so in my opinion the historical information is more valuable and accurate in terms of understanding Ancient Greece with all of the mythology and superstition embedded within it.
St Augustine was far from myth as others moving into logic, math and evidence based science of all things understood by first hand observation and able to calculate far better/more than people today. Where did people get their myths? And English female Astronomery laid the ground works for Ew Bullingers and Raymond E Capt’s boks on biblical astronomy that match Enoch’s statement that God taught Adam and Seth and Enoch how to group the stars and science and told them to teach all the peoples and its interestinf the two oldest unbroken histories both name the Most High God as the first known God before all these others began pooping up and became millions in the Hindu religion where all the false religions and false gods are heavily laden with Serpents and Dragons, one and the same in the star names and the Bible that gave certain wisdom to man and often brought Destruction also Satan’s name is The Destructor. The original star names are all there and the Word is written in The stars and is used as signs exactly as God wrote throughout history even when most are in denial they find they cant deny the things that follow. Like now for instance following the exact signs God said the whole world is on a completely different course than it was prior and we can see now how we end exactly as written sooner than later in the realm of a few years hitting within the dates given of before the generation of the fig tree of 1948 passes away. Laugh away but no one on earth is capable of writing what has happened exactly with out the power of a true God in them. And why is it so far fetched that our next of kin would be God the Father who must know our true heart and mind to never put up with a traitor and one who would destroy all of heaven jealous of God’s throne and glory wanting it for himself?
Herodotus believed everything anybody told him. He is a mixed bag as a historian and he's called "Father of History/Father of Lies" for a reason. Not that he was himself an intentional liar, but he is extremely unreliable and historians treat him with a lot of caution.
@@Ken_Scaletta i wouldn’t say he believed everything he heard… in fact he states in the text when he thinks the story he’s about to relate is unreliable or not the most accurate version of the story. There’s lots of incorrect information in Herodotus that he doesn’t cast any doubt on and seems to believe himself, but it seems to me that you’re making your judgment based on what others have said about him rather than reading the text yourself. I think you would understand a little more about what OP is talking about if you read the text.
@@johnnysmall No, I read him in college. He's skeptical sometimes but not all the time and he reports a lot of rumor and gossip. He definitely reported things that were "unfounded" and doesn't always know the difference.
This is the third one of the Mythillogicals that I've watched, and I think they're fantastic. I don't think I was expecting them to be so interesting, but they are.
I am reminded of once being told how the French(Norman) conquerors added cuckoldry to the tale of King Arthur to demoralise/mock the natives, or maybe because that just seems to be a rather common French trope.
It was part of a trend at the time, something called chivalric romance. Two lovers who can never be together. It was beautiful, only later did it squire negative connotations. This isn’t to say cheating was considered acceptable, just this specific setup in fictional stories. It came from returning crusaders, who learned of it during their time in the crusader states and absorbed Arabic culture.
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Thank you for the warning about the sound issues. It wasn't distracting at all to me, though if you hadn't said anything it might well have bothered me a lot. Thank you also for helping me know more about good King Arthur and his gallant court.
King Arthur was Welsh. He was the King of Glamorgan and Gwent. He came from a long line of Welsh kings. There are many books out there with the true history of King Arthur. Artorius Rex by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett is a very informative book on this subject.
He was British, there wasn't a separate Wales. If he existed, he is most likely to have come from what is now Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria, the West Country of England, or Strathclyde.
Also I don't remember if it was mentioned, but since listening to this I've come across the figure of Ambrosius Aurelianus in anglo-british texts, including bede, who waged successful wars against the english in exactly the time referred to as "Arthurian". It looks like this guy is the main inspiration for the legends surrounding the figure and I'm not the first to make the connection. I think the only conflict arises from early stories about King Arthur also including him as Arthur's uncle, ironically cementing him as a separate figure. I have a pretty strong feeling that this was the man.
Cool episode, I wonder if you guys ever came across any cognates of Arthur from other Celtic speaking areas? I know that the Welsh stories remind me a lot of Fionn Mac Cumhaill and the Fianna
I don't know of any cognates to Arthur, but Excalibur is an interesting example. As they said, it derives from Caliburn, but what they didn't mention is that that's likely a Latinization of Welsh Caledfwlch, which is a direct cognate to the Irish mythological weapon Calad Bolg.
He left a lad of honor, but on the battlefield fighting, became our legendary hero, our lord of yore. He destroyed the enemy one by one with blows from Excalibur, his mystical "MIGHTY SWORD!" Fighters with giants came to displace our rightful king, Merlin's fearsome spell casting did intervene. "Victorious!" Was the way of battles, everyone would now bow to their new leader "The Pendragon King!"
I'm glad someone said it!! In the last episode in Mythos, a series of Joseph Campbell lectures, he goes through the entire 13th-century story Parzival. It's far from an in-depth analysis of the entire Arthur legend, but might be more what you're looking for.
Because he's a national hero and icon. Because he's a symbol of England's glorious past. Because he represents nobler values than those of degenerate modern society. And because there's actually quite a lot of good evidence that he was real, though embellished. It's also a foolish mistake not to go looking for him. It happens quite often these days that archaeologists find the remains of places and people that were thought to be mythological. If everybody listened to the arrogant ivory tower academics, Arthur Schliemann would have never found the supposedly mythical city of Troy. Finding the real thing is a lot more exciting than made-up pagan mythology, IMO.
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Nice episode ! Only listened to the first half so far, and you do a good job of boiling down an insane amount of stories I think. But a few notes before I forget to send them : 0:51:43 The Round Table appears in Wace, but it already has this idea of equality : "Because of these noble lords about his hall, of whom each knight pained himself to be the hardiest champion, and none would count him the least praiseworthy, Arthur made the Round Table, so reputed of the Britons. This Round Table was ordained of Arthur that when his fair fellowship sat to meat their chairs should be high alike, their service equal, and none before or after his comrade. Thus no man could boast that he was exalted above his fellow, for all alike were gathered round the board, and none was alien at the breaking of Arthur’s bread." (trans. Mason 2007) Layamon, who did an english Brut, translation of Geoffrey, develops the description adding the idea it was instituted after a fight for the best places. 0:52:20 A nuance I'd add to complicate the portait of Robert de Boron's works is there's basically 1) verse works first : - a verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal about the Grail - a verse Merlin (from which we only have a very short portion of the beginning, in only one manuscript that is also the only one we have for the verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal) And 2) then have a prose cycle - prose Joseph (prose version of the Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal) - prose Merlin (continuing the verse version, ending with the sword in the stone basically) - prose Perceval (concluding the cycle, using Chrétien de Troyes and the "second continuation" of Perceval as well as the ending from Wace, probably a later conclusion and not from the "original" Robert de Boron, if he existed) We can see that the prose Joseph is a faithful, even literal, adaptation from the verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal, so it lends creedance to the idea that the beginning of the verse Merlin is a true remnant of the "sequel" about Merlin, as it is contained in the only manuscript with the roman. But, we don't really know if the Prose Merlin is a faithful continuation of this verse poem. (Corinne Füg-Pierreville even suggested after close examination of the texte (2014) that the verse version actually seemed to derive from the prose, and not the contrary, but you can imagine it mangles the chronology even mores) A continuation would be added to the prose Merlin to join it into the Lancelot-Grail as you said, with very minor tweaks to fit either with the "Boron" prose cycle or the Lancelot-Grail. I know it doesn't really add much except if you really want to make the episode like 30 minutes longer with little added value. 1:01:40 You left out the five years of wandering of Perceval, and his meeting with an uncle that explains to him that the fisher king is another one of his mother's brothers. (and Gawain also starts an adventure, trying to fing the bleeding lance, but it strays a bit from the plot even if we could imagine it was going to tie to the conclusion). 1:10:50 The Post-Vulgate is a really confusing work, even to start understanding what it actually consists of, in terms of texte. What we know of it is pieced together from spanish and portuguese works, as well as some versions of the Prose Tristan (itself a nightmare of textual tradition), for which we assume a lost, coherent, old french source: the Post-Vulgate. (even though people might get sceptical sometimes that there actually was a fully redacted work to the extent of a cycle). So I don't hold it against you at all (I don't even think that there is a simple way to "read the Post-Vulgate" for a layman like you or me) but about this cistercian influence. There is already a (probable) cistercian influence in the original Queste del Saint Graal in the Lancelot-Grail -- the knights have to rely on hermits to interpret the weird visions and apparitions along the quest ("wow you mean to tell my this bleeding pelican, feeding his children with his blood is actually a metaphor for Jesus ???"). The white robes of the tonsured hermits imply that they're cistercians. See for example : www.reading.ac.uk/web/files/GCMS/RMS-1995-04_K._Pratt,_The_Cistercians_and_the_Queste_del_Saint_Graal.pdf (Karen Pratt, "The Cistercians and the Queste del Saint Graal") The Post-Vulgate actually de-emphasize a lot of religious elements! For example Galahad is not this perfect saintly knight beyond all mortals anymore but he can be beaten a few times. At the beginning of the quest, a sword is brought to court and bleeds when Gawain takes it, showing he will kill many knights during the quest, which he later does. But he denies the prophecy saying that it might just be magic to deceive them. He then leaves for the Quest in secret despite Arthur's warning, which prompts Arthur to curse his nephew. There is a "skepticism" from the characters about this type of signs that were essential in the Vulgate version of the Quest. It's really the dark and gritty reboot sometimes. As well, Lancelot is not really less adulterous, he gets caught with Guenevere so the Post Vulgate version of the Mort Artu does not differ much, except it's so shortened it's sometimes comical (in a spanish version, Arthur doesn't even kill Mordred, he sees that Blioberis has just killed him and carries his head behind him, and that's it). I've been doing a (french) podcast about arthurian legends for a few years, so I tend to get needlessly nitpicky about this. But I want to insist you did a really good job all round! And now to the second half…
I like the theory that there was possible two Arthur's. One who fought in some Roman civil war in France (an actual king) and the second one was simply a prince that died in battle with Mordred (both dying). Later, they added the two together.
No the sword in the stone is never named. Caliburn is the the Latin name. Excalibur is the French name. Caledfwelch is the original Welsh name. There is one version where the sword in the stone is the same as Excalibur but that isn't the case in most versions.
Really not a fan of the description of Herodotus given at ~10 minutes. He was definitely a historian and calling what he wrote 'unfounded' is typically because you've read a bad translation of his work.
Herodotus was a historian, but he never let the truth get in the way of telling a good story. Same problem with Geoffrey of Manmouth. These aren't considered histories by today's standards.
@@ArmchairPhilosopher360 Except he'd usually say something like, "This is what the locals told me," and then people claim he's trying to pass it off as accurate history when it's obvious that's not what he's trying to do.
@@Arkantos117 Herodotus is often very unfairly maligned and as you say, he often makes his scepticism clear. The 'father of lies' epithet is as unfair as the idea that King Canute/Cnut thought he could control the sea.
Or just a good story teller with enough history sprinkled in to lend credibility to his political propaganda. He bridges the gap between myth and history.
Sounds like Dan Brown's, The DVinci Code. Just enough historical fact added the legends and myths and it becomes a pretty captivating conspiracy theory for a lot of people!
Yes but a very clever one. Much like the council of Nicea, the Arthurian legend was curated to preserve ancient teachings. During the 10th and 11th centuries, the Catholic Church was severely persecuting the templars who were following the Hermitic wisdoms. Monmouth managed to codify these teachings and solar and zodiacal teachings set in a part of Britain where the earthworks resemble the heavens. (Wales). Arthur is essentially the sun and the legends are the taels of the seasons and the great year.
super interesting break down! glad to see more mythology. but the audio is kind of hard to hear on so many of your videos, which i do really enjoy. not referring to the note at the beginning of the episode, but sort of an echo in general on all the recordings. just a note from a fan!
Best part about this doc, listening to a dude with a super proper sounding British accent say "stright murdered" a dozen times in a row 😝 rip original gangster sir BALLIN 🙏🏻 ... i mean Balin? 🤔 ... anywho... Heyyyyyy! 🤣 On a more serious note just very excellent work, i really enjoyed hearing about the history of the tale and how it possibly originated and parallels with other lore. and then deep diving the evolution and how the legend was progressively shaped in different eras and kinda how it shaped the various eras as well. Good stuff guys 👏🏻 thanks for sharing!
Church records for him, have him living around 750 AD. I believe he had two sons and a daughter. He would have been about 6 generations from the King Arthur, who fought beside Magnus Maximus, against the Romans, in 383 AD or therabouts. He was probably Cyrmnu or Cornish, not welsh, although the Anglo-Saxxons might disagree on that.
Arthur the bear son of Uther Pendragon (cave dragon), the reborn hero, becoming a god, now and future king/hero. Ther are no death for the hounuruble. The sword in the stone, means onley the best man in the tribe could be a king. Merlin is the sourcerer the Druid helping a young boy become a man a king, a reborn. The story of king Arthur is a mix of our old myths And myths are real in the sence that it is the story of us and reality.
The soureress trapped in a tree after tricking Merlin? Is there any reference to its whereabouts location? As I'm familiar with a location in woodland of such behaviour where there's also seven crusader knights in spirits only now. Which guards the tree. I have more information however curious to its knowledge about the location where abouts.
Author was a true figure. I just heard this so I'm sketchy on the details..but his name was not Author..one of his TITLE's is AUTHOR for "The Bear" in Anglo saxon,( I think) So the clue is he was a king 👑 that was referred to as 'The Bear' I apologize for not having more information. I was busy when I came across this set of facts. . I cannot even remember the historian connected to the information. I want to say Michael Wood. Perhaps you guys can hunt up the facts and get to the nitty gritty on it. If I do, I'll let you know! Cheers!
This theory was featured on an episode of forbidden history, I believe. And a book about it titled The Lost Tomb of King Arthur (Graham Philips). This theory made a lot of sense to me, at least the way it was presented.
Scythian tales probably based on an Armenian Roman cavalry officer,originally a tree was drawn from a tree in a court yard,probably city of Ur Sumerian origins possibly Mithridates.
The Druyhus never really got along with the rest of the Vedic clans and they left. They are barely mentioned in the Rig Veda and mostly in an inimical context . The great Druhyu migrations out of modern day Afghanistan as evidenced by Vedic Druhyu Iranian Druj Celtic Drui Lithuanian Drugas and Russian Drug (meaning friend) Gothic druigan (do military service) and ga-drauhts (soldier) Old Nors/Icelandic drott Old English dryht Old German truhth English true (to be loyal to)
Here I am, relistening to this episode and I just now realized that Balin is one of the dwarves in The Hobbit. A Tolkien reference that Crofty missed?! How?
So good, id often thought after seeing afew varients of the pop culture shows and films that morgan/morgana was the morrigan. The mention of the lady possibley being an aspect of fhe same woman may work... ive only come across the morrigan in david gemmels sword in the storm series, maybe if content is needed one day...
A must see and IMHO the best cinematic telling of the Arthurian legend is the 1980's film Excalibur by John Boorman, actually surprised it was not mentioned in this video, which aside from that is an excellent look at the subject.
Whats wrong with the 2004 film? First off its just a good movie. And it makes more sense for him to be a pre Christian military leader. His advisor is a wizard, he's called Pendragon, and he goes off into the misty island. I dont know if hes Sarmatian, but definitely more Celtic/Welsh than Anglo.
I watched last year expecting it to be so bad and I really enjoyed it! Great crew of rugged handsome warriors havin fun in Roman Britain, what more do ya want lol
Colton Collier That’s a great answer that fits well with Arthurian lore, but I have another objection. Why would Joseph draw a cross on his shield if Jesus has only just been crucified? At that point, the cross wouldn’t have been a Christian symbol!
After just finishing the BBC merlin series with family this was a nice round off . tyvm . AA .Attanasio book `The dragon and the unicorn ` is great fantasy take and he is great on old Welsh novels that are so real you live them whilst reading !.
given that the Ancient Britons were pushed to the west I feel like we're missing far too much information to dismiss Arthur as a real historical character, what we have from Cornwall and Wales etc may just be remnants from further east which travelled with the displaced Britons west. I cant rule out him being an old god figure from one of the tribes
Think he was based on a real person. The ancient Britons didn't write things down, everything was transmitted orally. So people wrote it later on, can't remember exact dates, from 1000AD onwards, by then it had been changed and mythologised
He was king of bernicia at the mouth of the Tyne. On one side you have Tynemouth castle and piory once called PEN bel crag and on the other side of the river south shields arbeia ( land of the Arabs) went the Romans left = camalot. Also watch the film the last legion
Beowulf possibly the same story tellers as Arthur,in Sweden and Gotland you can see Hecate riding a wolf on standing stones,above Hecate can be seen the Armenian wolf banner the same as Scythian wolf banner,possibly Roman cavalry!!
There were 3 different arthurs. Ambrosius, Arthur of Somerset and Arthur of Rheged. So its not surprising that people get mixed up with the stories. I believe the Britons were a tribe from Wales?
The Britons were not an Anglo Saxon tribe, they were a celtic people, and "Wales" included all of the western part of the Island of Great Britain, up to central Scotland. They fought the Angles, Saxons and other Germanic peoples migrating into Britain at that time from northern mainland Europe.
Interesting that Barwick, Capital of the Ancient Kingdom of Elmet is in Arthursdale, So many Brittonic placenames and Welsh Towns (Wealdstone, Walton etc) in West & North Yorkshire fit Sites from Arthurs Legends, If later Norse & Norman adaptations are taken into Account, Eboracum (York) is another Legionary City and the Site of Constantine's Conversion, Regarding the Trojan Connection, I find that curious as the Parisi Tribe were The Easterly Neighbours of the Brigantes (Later Elmet) before the Roman Invasion, Funny Coincidence.
The archetypes definitely overlap, and there's near certainly a causal link even if never an intentional evolution from Oðinn to the wizard. Though, for all we know it could be both figures coming from a common origin or even Viking-era Oðinn assimilating characteristics from some British folk figure via trade/etc. in the pre-Viking era.
Thank you for another great video! I am absolutely sure, above & beyond any shadow of a doubt, that King Arthur and the Grail story is an old Iranian legend from Parthia. Merlin see the future means through reading astrological charts which the Persian ( Iranian Magi ) were famous for, and Magi were an important aspect of kingship. You must read the Shahnameh by the great Persian poet Ferdowsi, you find many similarities in plots and character, specially between Arthur and the Iranian hero" Rostam" from the Scythian tribes. Secondly, if I remember correctly, the Knights of the Roundtable were Sarmatian Knights who were one Iranian tribes. Cheers
Morganwg was an antequarian, poet and collector. He isn't the only antequarian of that era to have invented material. He may have been compiling other people's invention in good faith. Read Ronald Hutton's "Blood and Mistletoe" for an academic appraisal. I think it's unfair to keep describing him as a fraudster. He genuinely was a Bard and founder of modern Druidry.
Did you lads come across the writings of Baram Blackett and Alan Wilson whilst researching this? Dodgy guys, far out theories, but parts of their research was very interesting.
Its the truth guys, there is no myth, Arthur was the son of meurig, he was crowned by st dyfrig (dubricius) who is buried in llandaff cathedral in cardiff, wales. Just a little research will show you this, he is even mentioned in saxon histories as a king of glamorgan, and pendragon of the island. Regardless of sour grapes towards wilson and blackett, they have done more work on this than any other Arthurian researchers.
Ive heard Arthur was a celtic cheiftain, a myth a legend even a celtic god that never existed! Crazy ideas for the most famous king in the world! Also no academic can find two of his most famous battlesites, devastating 3 day battles each of them. Mount baedan and camlann. Each of them exist, question is does anyone wish to find them? As they are easily found, makes you wonder if people turn the other way so they CANT find them!!
Heracles and 12 Labors, Arthur and 12 Knights, Jesus and 12 Apostles, Jacob and 12 Tribes, a theme arises, the Zodiac can be described and discussed within these narratives, they are stories that are meant to preserve and teach astronomical phenomena necessary for time keeping, these are often real heroes catastrophized, constellations.
My theory is that it is Christianity. The word and concept of a knight came much later that the legend started and came from the German kneckt "servant". The "round table" where everyone is equal is the table of the Host, the Eucharist. Arthur is a Latin name of a noble family, Arturus, and means "Noble". Guinevere means "white spirit". This is the Holy Spirit that the Noble King is united to. Percival means "One who pierces the valley" and this is the sword in the side. The sword in the stone is the crucifixion as well, the Stone being a name for the Lord Jesus Christ. All the names can be translated and fit into the narrative. But that is my theory, I am not saying it 100% what it is, just that I think what it is.
I really enjoyed everything you both shared. I wasn't sure of the pronunciation of the Mabinogion. I spent part of my growing up in Wales; my Mother's family is Welsh-speaking. They pronounced Mabinogion with a slight emphasis on the first and last syllable, and the g is a hard G. Can you clarify? Thank you
For the record, I liked all the stories and movies about King Arthur, even the 2004 version. Yes, it was an entirely different story/idea/historical fiction, but it was well done. Besides, the fact Mythillogical is making this video, might indicate no one really knows. Why knock interesting ideas, even if far-fetched?
I know this is an older episode, with less standardized process of research. But I'm shocked that at no point did Charles or Crofty even look up what the Eucharist is and why the Holy Grail was considered so important. A lot of insight probably could have been brought in if they had this info.
A hypnotic investigation has recently suggested that there were in fact two Arthurs belonging to the same royal house in Leeds. One was a king who never fought, the other a brother of a king who fought constantly. See the Hypno-Archaeologist by Philip Ditchfield.
“Some watery Tart distributing swords is no basis for a system of Government....”
Didnt they do well not to go there, although surely the bravest of the brave knights sir robin is cannon
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
I will take watery tarts with swords any day of the week after living through the last four years in the U.S.
What about a Moistened Bint lobbing a Scimitar?
@@scottlofty Oh, you want to play modern politics. So are you enjoying the last 7 months then?
It’s a crime that the TH-cam algorithm punishes creators like you who make amazing documentaries like this instead of rewarding you, this channel has a quarter of the subscribers it deserves
I'd say a tenth but yeah, it's unreal.
How is he punished? He isn't speaking truth to power or is right wing or is talking about the whole race iq thing.. Why would they punish him? He talks about main stream PC history.
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When the part about the scabbard was read, I got what the message was: if you carry a scabbard, people will assume you are ready to fight, but willing to talk. If you walk around with a drawn sword, though, everyone will assume you are there to kill them and want to fight you because they feel they must. Maybe in this version of the story, it was literal and magical, but I sense that expression was originally used metaphorically.
So, I study a lot of the early Welsh texts (including the Arthurian bits), and every pre-Monmouth text you mentioned I have on my shelf and have read (most of at least, Gildas gets a little too religious for me so it’s a chore even though I find it funny).
If you’re interested in talking more about it or delving deeper I’d love to talk about it! There aren’t many people in Southern California who study this...
Also, I can definitely help with the welsh pronunciation, I’m quite into linguistics, and welsh is of particular interest to me.
And Bede is pronounced like bead.
You ain't kidding. SoCal is filled with carb-phobic imbeciles. But the weather's great! 🙄
I am sorta fascinated with Bede's life as a witness to history. Did he ever leave Jarrow?
(Edit misspelled Jarrow. Bwahahaa. Who's the imbecile now)? ☺️🤣
@@HamCubes trying to be healthy and fit is an odd thing to criticise anyone for.
@@CPUAlexis carb-phobic≠trying to be healthy and fit
Slight correction depending on how pretentious you'd like to sound :), Bede (in its pronunciation true to the Old English) is said like beda (IPA - [ˈbæːdɑ] ). But yes, you're correct that nowadays it is said like beed (IPA - [biːd] ).
Charles and Crofty I REALLY like your podcasts! Please keep them coming
I took a university class on the history of Arthur a few semesters ago and really appreciated hearing your thoughts on my boys Geoffrey and Chrétien
Thanx so much! The quality is perfectly fine, btw!
Yeah, by the intro I was expecting much worse. I forgot about the issue like 10 minutes in.
Interesting talk so far, but you're right - the Welsh pronunciations are awful! ;)
In the spirit of giving something back... sounds below in [brackets] are the emphasis syllables in the word, which is almost always the penultimate syllable in a multi-syllabic word..
Caerfyrddin (Carmarthen) = c-aye-r [vuhr]-thin (dd is always pronounced "th" as in "the", not "thanks")
Myrddin = [muhr]-thin
Y Gododdin = uh god-[o]-thin (the middle o is a short sound that rhymes with the "god", not a long sound like "ode")
Mabinogion = mab-ih-[nog]-yon (there isn't a soft "g" in Welsh, it's always a hard "g" sound)
Ysbaddaden Pencawr = us-ba-[tha]-den [pen]-cow-r (cow as in the bovine animal!)
Cai = K-aye
Bedwyr = [bed]-weer (in this circumstance, the "w" is a consonant rather than a vowel so is pronounced as it is in English)
Gwalchmei = [gwalkh]-may
Gwrhyr = [goor]-heer
Taliesin = tal-ee-[ehss]-in
That'll do for now! :D
Celtic languages are inherently esoteric.
I've never understood why. I mean, the English have lived next door to the Welsh for more than a millennium and a half, and _still_ can't get it right ;) BTW, Culhwch = [keel]-hookh
Or even Gwalkh-my. "O" is consistently pronounced as in "hotpot", this observance alone will improve your Welsh accent.
@@KowboyUSA the roots of Celtic language are as old as Latin and Greek. The difficulty most people have is with the orthography (spelling system), which is made worse by the fact that Irish represents similar phonology in a completely different way, so similar sounding cognates may look completely unrelated. Welsh and Irish must have diverged long before English was ever invented.
@@aaronfleisher4694 I think there's a difference between a good accent and correct pronunciation. Welsh is more or less phonetic and the penultimate stress pattern is fairly regular. The main reason most people get Welsh wrong is because they didn't bother to learn the rules.
Merlin is nuts in the older takes on this tale, wow. A regular Mai'iq the Liar
He's obviously based off tales of Odin.
"There are some who call me... Tim?"
A Time Traveler akin to the scientist in " Back to the future" but integral and instrumental to many events; like a "time" Engineer , shaping destiny.
@@mariovillarreal8647Merlin is The Doctor; got it 😅
@@Dyundu yes! And he makes house calls.
The movie "Excalibur" has Mordred portrayed as both Arthur's illegitimate son (by his half-sister, Morgan le Fay) AND his nephew.
Same thing with TH White’s “The Once And Future King”
Any idea when we're gonna get a mythillogical on flood stories? I can't wait for it
Looking forward to see what they dig up on all the disperate stories; that share the same themes, from all around the world, at almost the same time.
@@TheHighAvenger I pantbnetonorr Tet
I dislike the criticism of Herodotus that his material was largely "unfounded". He was pretty clear when he had only heard something or observed it himself, and also provided many criticisms of what may have been inaccurate information. The Greeks during his time viewed the world through a perspective of mythology and superstition, so in my opinion the historical information is more valuable and accurate in terms of understanding Ancient Greece with all of the mythology and superstition embedded within it.
St Augustine was far from myth as others moving into logic, math and evidence based science of all things understood by first hand observation and able to calculate far better/more than people today. Where did people get their myths? And English female Astronomery laid the ground works for Ew Bullingers and Raymond E Capt’s boks on biblical astronomy that match Enoch’s statement that God taught Adam and Seth and Enoch how to group the stars and science and told them to teach all the peoples and its interestinf the two oldest unbroken histories both name the Most High God as the first known God before all these others began pooping up and became millions in the Hindu religion where all the false religions and false gods are heavily laden with Serpents and Dragons, one and the same in the star names and the Bible that gave certain wisdom to man and often brought Destruction also Satan’s name is The Destructor. The original star names are all there and the Word is written in The stars and is used as signs exactly as God wrote throughout history even when most are in denial they find they cant deny the things that follow. Like now for instance following the exact signs God said the whole world is on a completely different course than it was prior and we can see now how we end exactly as written sooner than later in the realm of a few years hitting within the dates given of before the generation of the fig tree of 1948 passes away. Laugh away but no one on earth is capable of writing what has happened exactly with out the power of a true God in them. And why is it so far fetched that our next of kin would be God the Father who must know our true heart and mind to never put up with a traitor and one who would destroy all of heaven jealous of God’s throne and glory wanting it for himself?
Herodotus believed everything anybody told him. He is a mixed bag as a historian and he's called "Father of History/Father of Lies" for a reason. Not that he was himself an intentional liar, but he is extremely unreliable and historians treat him with a lot of caution.
@@Ken_Scaletta i wouldn’t say he believed everything he heard… in fact he states in the text when he thinks the story he’s about to relate is unreliable or not the most accurate version of the story. There’s lots of incorrect information in Herodotus that he doesn’t cast any doubt on and seems to believe himself, but it seems to me that you’re making your judgment based on what others have said about him rather than reading the text yourself. I think you would understand a little more about what OP is talking about if you read the text.
@@johnnysmall No, I read him in college. He's skeptical sometimes but not all the time and he reports a lot of rumor and gossip. He definitely reported things that were "unfounded" and doesn't always know the difference.
@@Ken_Scaletta agree. good edit
This is the third one of the Mythillogicals that I've watched, and I think they're fantastic. I don't think I was expecting them to be so interesting, but they are.
I've really loved and appreciated these videos. Thank you for the outstanding work you've put into them and for sharing them with us.
Ah yes, the stories about my most famous namesake. Where the "canon" itself is layers of fanfiction.
Pleasure to make aquintance with you; Arthur, Son of Mordred.
You guys forgot to mention that time when King Arthur and Merlin meets up with the Transformers......
now part of the Arthurian canon
@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι You will be the Truck and the Truck shall be you!
People always understimate the Arthurian Legend. Keep up the good work!
Sir Balin-the sudden murder gift that keeps on giving.
I am reminded of once being told how the French(Norman) conquerors added cuckoldry to the tale of King Arthur to demoralise/mock the natives, or maybe because that just seems to be a rather common French trope.
It was part of a trend at the time, something called chivalric romance. Two lovers who can never be together. It was beautiful, only later did it squire negative connotations. This isn’t to say cheating was considered acceptable, just this specific setup in fictional stories. It came from returning crusaders, who learned of it during their time in the crusader states and absorbed Arabic culture.
I'm so surprised they didn't mention Monty Python and the Holy Grail in the beginning as a large part of arthurian examples in popular works.
They didn't even mention sir Robin. Apparently he's really, really brave
And never runs away
My favorite fictional series of Arthur is Stephen R Lawhead's The Pendragon Cycle. He put everything into the myth!
The King of Ys, by Paul Anderson, was not a bad take either.
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Charles & Crofty. You guys should watch the movie Excalibur. Probably the greatest King Arthur story.
I completely forgot about Excalibur. Yeah its great and everyone should watch it.
First Knight is a movie loosely based I'm sure on the story of Lancelot and Malagant, I don't know if that's posted anywhere
The part of Mass that presents the body and blood of Christ is the Eucharist, though you explained it well enough for everyone to recognize.
I love you, Histocrat. Thank u for all of your hard work
I just found you this morning and have listened to you all day and into the night as I work, thank you!
Thank you for the warning about the sound issues. It wasn't distracting at all to me, though if you hadn't said anything it might well have bothered me a lot. Thank you also for helping me know more about good King Arthur and his gallant court.
Your voice sounds fine. Love you guys! Stay safe and keep up the great content for us!
King Arthur was Welsh. He was the King of Glamorgan and Gwent. He came from a long line of Welsh kings. There are many books out there with the true history of King Arthur. Artorius Rex by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett is a very informative book on this subject.
He was British, there wasn't a separate Wales. If he existed, he is most likely to have come from what is now Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria, the West Country of England, or Strathclyde.
@@ted_splitter He was from Glamorgan.
Was Britain a thing then though? Wasn't it all different kingdoms?
Also I don't remember if it was mentioned, but since listening to this I've come across the figure of Ambrosius Aurelianus in anglo-british texts, including bede, who waged successful wars against the english in exactly the time referred to as "Arthurian". It looks like this guy is the main inspiration for the legends surrounding the figure and I'm not the first to make the connection. I think the only conflict arises from early stories about King Arthur also including him as Arthur's uncle, ironically cementing him as a separate figure. I have a pretty strong feeling that this was the man.
Cool episode, I wonder if you guys ever came across any cognates of Arthur from other Celtic speaking areas? I know that the Welsh stories remind me a lot of Fionn Mac Cumhaill and the Fianna
I don't know of any cognates to Arthur, but Excalibur is an interesting example. As they said, it derives from Caliburn, but what they didn't mention is that that's likely a Latinization of Welsh Caledfwlch, which is a direct cognate to the Irish mythological weapon Calad Bolg.
Yes probably a lot of influence because Wales traded with Ireland a lot then. I learned this from reading King Arthur and the goddess of the land
He left a lad of honor,
but on the battlefield fighting,
became our legendary hero,
our lord of yore.
He destroyed the enemy one by one
with blows from Excalibur,
his mystical "MIGHTY SWORD!"
Fighters with giants came to
displace our rightful king,
Merlin's fearsome spell casting
did intervene.
"Victorious!" Was the way of battles,
everyone would now bow
to their new leader
"The Pendragon King!"
How have you not heard of the venerable Bede? I've always heard it pronounced bead.
There were many venerable holy ones not just St. Patrick.
Next time, I want to be Guneviere.🎶
why is everyone obsessed with the “historical” king arthur i can’t even find a video about the ACTUAL mythology
Check out Alan Wilson and baram Blackett
Probably a bit of British nationalism. They really want their awesome mythological king to have been real.
I'm glad someone said it!! In the last episode in Mythos, a series of Joseph Campbell lectures, he goes through the entire 13th-century story Parzival. It's far from an in-depth analysis of the entire Arthur legend, but might be more what you're looking for.
well, you found this video, so you could find it.
Because he's a national hero and icon. Because he's a symbol of England's glorious past. Because he represents nobler values than those of degenerate modern society. And because there's actually quite a lot of good evidence that he was real, though embellished. It's also a foolish mistake not to go looking for him.
It happens quite often these days that archaeologists find the remains of places and people that were thought to be mythological. If everybody listened to the arrogant ivory tower academics, Arthur Schliemann would have never found the supposedly mythical city of Troy.
Finding the real thing is a lot more exciting than made-up pagan mythology, IMO.
Hungover and this is giving me life… cheers lads 🍻
Thank you very much for all of the time and effort put in by both of you ! The quality isn’t anything to worry about either !
Been waiting for your next upload!!!!
When are we gonna get the second part to The Druids?
Hopefully October, comes down to if my patrons want to vote for it.
@@TheHistocrat Can't wait! I've listened to it 6 or 7 times now 😂
Sorry I'm too poor atm to give you something via patreon.
No problem everyone's going through hard times right now, thanks for all the listens
@The Histocrat Eek I am meant to vote for something😰
/me opens Patreon
Edit:
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So my vote goes to whatever you want.
Btw you should definitely create a $10 tier... not only because I feel left out but more people are likely to sign up for it rather than do a custom pledge.
@@saberint I am a lonely $10 donor, myself. :)
Nice episode ! Only listened to the first half so far, and you do a good job of boiling down an insane amount of stories I think.
But a few notes before I forget to send them :
0:51:43 The Round Table appears in Wace, but it already has this idea of equality :
"Because of these noble lords about his hall, of whom each knight pained himself to be the hardiest champion, and none would count him the least praiseworthy, Arthur made the Round Table, so reputed of the Britons. This Round Table was ordained of Arthur that when his fair fellowship sat to meat their chairs should be high alike, their service equal, and none before or after his comrade. Thus no man could boast that he was exalted above his fellow, for all alike were gathered round the board, and none was alien at the breaking of Arthur’s bread." (trans. Mason 2007)
Layamon, who did an english Brut, translation of Geoffrey, develops the description adding the idea it was instituted after a fight for the best places.
0:52:20 A nuance I'd add to complicate the portait of Robert de Boron's works is there's basically 1) verse works first :
- a verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal about the Grail
- a verse Merlin (from which we only have a very short portion of the beginning, in only one manuscript that is also the only one we have for the verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal)
And 2) then have a prose cycle
- prose Joseph (prose version of the Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal)
- prose Merlin (continuing the verse version, ending with the sword in the stone basically)
- prose Perceval (concluding the cycle, using Chrétien de Troyes and the "second continuation" of Perceval as well as the ending from Wace, probably a later conclusion and not from the "original" Robert de Boron, if he existed)
We can see that the prose Joseph is a faithful, even literal, adaptation from the verse Roman de l'Estoire dou Graal, so it lends creedance to the idea that the beginning of the verse Merlin is a true remnant of the "sequel" about Merlin, as it is contained in the only manuscript with the roman. But, we don't really know if the Prose Merlin is a faithful continuation of this verse poem. (Corinne Füg-Pierreville even suggested after close examination of the texte (2014) that the verse version actually seemed to derive from the prose, and not the contrary, but you can imagine it mangles the chronology even mores)
A continuation would be added to the prose Merlin to join it into the Lancelot-Grail as you said, with very minor tweaks to fit either with the "Boron" prose cycle or the Lancelot-Grail.
I know it doesn't really add much except if you really want to make the episode like 30 minutes longer with little added value.
1:01:40 You left out the five years of wandering of Perceval, and his meeting with an uncle that explains to him that the fisher king is another one of his mother's brothers. (and Gawain also starts an adventure, trying to fing the bleeding lance, but it strays a bit from the plot even if we could imagine it was going to tie to the conclusion).
1:10:50 The Post-Vulgate is a really confusing work, even to start understanding what it actually consists of, in terms of texte. What we know of it is pieced together from spanish and portuguese works, as well as some versions of the Prose Tristan (itself a nightmare of textual tradition), for which we assume a lost, coherent, old french source: the Post-Vulgate. (even though people might get sceptical sometimes that there actually was a fully redacted work to the extent of a cycle).
So I don't hold it against you at all (I don't even think that there is a simple way to "read the Post-Vulgate" for a layman like you or me) but about this cistercian influence.
There is already a (probable) cistercian influence in the original Queste del Saint Graal in the Lancelot-Grail -- the knights have to rely on hermits to interpret the weird visions and apparitions along the quest ("wow you mean to tell my this bleeding pelican, feeding his children with his blood is actually a metaphor for Jesus ???"). The white robes of the tonsured hermits imply that they're cistercians.
See for example : www.reading.ac.uk/web/files/GCMS/RMS-1995-04_K._Pratt,_The_Cistercians_and_the_Queste_del_Saint_Graal.pdf (Karen Pratt, "The Cistercians and the Queste del Saint Graal")
The Post-Vulgate actually de-emphasize a lot of religious elements! For example Galahad is not this perfect saintly knight beyond all mortals anymore but he can be beaten a few times. At the beginning of the quest, a sword is brought to court and bleeds when Gawain takes it, showing he will kill many knights during the quest, which he later does. But he denies the prophecy saying that it might just be magic to deceive them. He then leaves for the Quest in secret despite Arthur's warning, which prompts Arthur to curse his nephew. There is a "skepticism" from the characters about this type of signs that were essential in the Vulgate version of the Quest. It's really the dark and gritty reboot sometimes.
As well, Lancelot is not really less adulterous, he gets caught with Guenevere so the Post Vulgate version of the Mort Artu does not differ much, except it's so shortened it's sometimes comical (in a spanish version, Arthur doesn't even kill Mordred, he sees that Blioberis has just killed him and carries his head behind him, and that's it).
I've been doing a (french) podcast about arthurian legends for a few years, so I tend to get needlessly nitpicky about this. But I want to insist you did a really good job all round!
And now to the second half…
I like the theory that there was possible two Arthur's. One who fought in some Roman civil war in France (an actual king) and the second one was simply a prince that died in battle with Mordred (both dying). Later, they added the two together.
My boy Percival was done dirty. Becomes completely irrelevant.
Caliburn is the sword from the stone, it's a symbol of the king.
Excalibur was the sword given to Arthur by the Lady of the Lake, it is the war blade.
No the sword in the stone is never named. Caliburn is the the Latin name. Excalibur is the French name. Caledfwelch is the original Welsh name. There is one version where the sword in the stone is the same as Excalibur but that isn't the case in most versions.
@@kaiserbarbarossa5605that’s always confused tf outta me, thnx!
Really not a fan of the description of Herodotus given at ~10 minutes.
He was definitely a historian and calling what he wrote 'unfounded' is typically because you've read a bad translation of his work.
Most of this guys 'work' is lefty indoctrination.
@@CelticSaint I like his work but I did found it a bit worrying when he said BCE/CE a couple of vids ago.
Herodotus was a historian, but he never let the truth get in the way of telling a good story. Same problem with Geoffrey of Manmouth. These aren't considered histories by today's standards.
@@ArmchairPhilosopher360 Except he'd usually say something like, "This is what the locals told me," and then people claim he's trying to pass it off as accurate history when it's obvious that's not what he's trying to do.
@@Arkantos117 Herodotus is often very unfairly maligned and as you say, he often makes his scepticism clear. The 'father of lies' epithet is as unfair as the idea that King Canute/Cnut thought he could control the sea.
Thumbs up at 0:01 for the music alone. ❤️👍🏻 🎼
Excellent, informative and appreciated. Thank you!🌷
I believe Geoffrey of Monmouth, should be refereed to as a historical novelist.
Or just a good story teller with enough history sprinkled in to lend credibility to his political propaganda. He bridges the gap between myth and history.
Sounds like Dan Brown's, The DVinci Code. Just enough historical fact added the legends and myths and it becomes a pretty captivating conspiracy theory for a lot of people!
Oops, Da Vinci
Yes but a very clever one. Much like the council of Nicea, the Arthurian legend was curated to preserve ancient teachings.
During the 10th and 11th centuries, the Catholic Church was severely persecuting the templars who were following the Hermitic wisdoms.
Monmouth managed to codify these teachings and solar and zodiacal teachings set in a part of Britain where the earthworks resemble the heavens. (Wales).
Arthur is essentially the sun and the legends are the taels of the seasons and the great year.
Arcturus is brightest star in the northern hemisphere, in the constellation Bootes, near Ursa Major or 'The Great Bear' ⭐🐾
It is interesting that the star is attributed comparable significations in astrology to the figure of Arthur as well.
super interesting break down! glad to see more mythology. but the audio is kind of hard to hear on so many of your videos, which i do really enjoy. not referring to the note at the beginning of the episode, but sort of an echo in general on all the recordings. just a note from a fan!
Best part about this doc, listening to a dude with a super proper sounding British accent say "stright murdered" a dozen times in a row 😝 rip original gangster sir BALLIN 🙏🏻 ... i mean Balin? 🤔 ... anywho... Heyyyyyy! 🤣
On a more serious note just very excellent work, i really enjoyed hearing about the history of the tale and how it possibly originated and parallels with other lore. and then deep diving the evolution and how the legend was progressively shaped in different eras and kinda how it shaped the various eras as well. Good stuff guys 👏🏻 thanks for sharing!
King Arthur is ARTHWYS AP MEURIG AP TEWDRIG and he was the WELSH 6th century KING of GLAMORGAN & GWENT!
Church records for him, have him living around 750 AD. I believe he had two sons and a daughter. He would have been about 6 generations from the King Arthur, who fought beside Magnus Maximus, against the Romans, in 383 AD or therabouts. He was probably Cyrmnu or Cornish, not welsh, although the Anglo-Saxxons might disagree on that.
@@kirkjones9639 look up Alan Wilson and baram Blackett
More of these! Love em!!!
i absolutely adore bbc's Merlin and it was very interesting learning more about it
Arthur the bear son of Uther Pendragon (cave dragon), the reborn hero, becoming a god, now and future king/hero. Ther are no death for the hounuruble. The sword in the stone, means onley the best man in the tribe could be a king. Merlin is the sourcerer the Druid helping a young boy become a man a king, a reborn.
The story of king Arthur is a mix of our old myths And myths are real in the sence that it is the story of us and reality.
Best explanation
great episode!
TY! ❤🧡💛💙💞💚🤎🖤🤍
I remember watching Arthur of the Britons on TV in the 70s. Quite a grounded version as I recall.
Someone just uploaded on TH-cam, been meaning to watch
The soureress trapped in a tree after tricking Merlin? Is there any reference to its whereabouts location? As I'm familiar with a location in woodland of such behaviour where there's also seven crusader knights in spirits only now. Which guards the tree. I have more information however curious to its knowledge about the location where abouts.
Author was a true figure. I just heard this so I'm sketchy on the details..but his name was not Author..one of his TITLE's is AUTHOR for "The Bear" in Anglo saxon,( I think)
So the clue is he was a king 👑 that was referred to as 'The Bear'
I apologize for not having more information. I was busy when I came across this set of facts. . I cannot even remember the historian connected to the information. I want to say Michael Wood.
Perhaps you guys can hunt up the facts and get to the nitty gritty on it. If I do, I'll let you know!
Cheers!
The "Arth" part of the name is Welsh for "bear". The Anglo-Saxon word would be "bera", or something like that.
This theory was featured on an episode of forbidden history, I believe. And a book about it titled The Lost Tomb of King Arthur (Graham Philips). This theory made a lot of sense to me, at least the way it was presented.
Scythian tales probably based on an Armenian Roman cavalry officer,originally a tree was drawn from a tree in a court yard,probably city of Ur Sumerian origins possibly Mithridates.
Gary Tucker what about the tree?
Ah ha, I just found your podcast so I can listen on the move!
The Druyhus never really got along with the rest of the Vedic clans and they left. They are barely mentioned in the Rig Veda and mostly in an inimical context . The great Druhyu migrations out of modern day Afghanistan as evidenced by
Vedic Druhyu
Iranian Druj
Celtic Drui
Lithuanian Drugas and Russian Drug (meaning friend)
Gothic druigan (do military service) and ga-drauhts (soldier)
Old Nors/Icelandic drott
Old English dryht
Old German truhth
English true (to be loyal to)
Always good presentation
Here I am, relistening to this episode and I just now realized that Balin is one of the dwarves in The Hobbit. A Tolkien reference that Crofty missed?! How?
So good, id often thought after seeing afew varients of the pop culture shows and films that morgan/morgana was the morrigan. The mention of the lady possibley being an aspect of fhe same woman may work... ive only come across the morrigan in david gemmels sword in the storm series, maybe if content is needed one day...
Thank you for sharing this info
A must see and IMHO the best cinematic telling of the Arthurian legend is the 1980's film Excalibur by John Boorman, actually surprised it was not mentioned in this video, which aside from that is an excellent look at the subject.
Whats wrong with the 2004 film? First off its just a good movie. And it makes more sense for him to be a pre Christian military leader. His advisor is a wizard, he's called Pendragon, and he goes off into the misty island. I dont know if hes Sarmatian, but definitely more Celtic/Welsh than Anglo.
I watched last year expecting it to be so bad and I really enjoyed it! Great crew of rugged handsome warriors havin fun in Roman Britain, what more do ya want lol
How could Joseph of Arimathea have a shield with the cross of Saint George if Saint George was born centuries later?
Alexandre Phaneuf cause symbols get renamed or st George is an immortal time traveler
Colton Collier That’s a great answer that fits well with Arthurian lore, but I have another objection. Why would Joseph draw a cross on his shield if Jesus has only just been crucified? At that point, the cross wouldn’t have been a Christian symbol!
After just finishing the BBC merlin series with family this was a nice round off . tyvm . AA .Attanasio book `The dragon and the unicorn ` is great fantasy take and he is great on old Welsh novels that are so real you live them whilst reading !.
given that the Ancient Britons were pushed to the west I feel like we're missing far too much information to dismiss Arthur as a real historical character, what we have from Cornwall and Wales etc may just be remnants from further east which travelled with the displaced Britons west. I cant rule out him being an old god figure from one of the tribes
Think he was based on a real person. The ancient Britons didn't write things down, everything was transmitted orally. So people wrote it later on, can't remember exact dates, from 1000AD onwards, by then it had been changed and mythologised
He was king of bernicia at the mouth of the Tyne. On one side you have Tynemouth castle and piory once called PEN bel crag and on the other side of the river south shields arbeia ( land of the Arabs) went the Romans left = camalot. Also watch the film the last legion
He wasn't a king in the earliest stories. There was no King Arthur.
Beowulf possibly the same story tellers as Arthur,in Sweden and Gotland you can see Hecate riding a wolf on standing stones,above Hecate can be seen the Armenian wolf banner the same as Scythian wolf banner,possibly Roman cavalry!!
The painting on the thumbnail actually looks alot like the dude who played arthur in the show merlin
Can someone post the timestamp where Gawaine and the Green Knight shows up? Thanks
Gram is the oldest sword mentioned in kingship,possibly the serpent sword.
There were 3 different arthurs. Ambrosius, Arthur of Somerset and Arthur of Rheged. So its not surprising that people get mixed up with the stories. I believe the Britons were a tribe from Wales?
The Britons were not an Anglo Saxon tribe, they were a celtic people, and "Wales" included all of the western part of the Island of Great Britain, up to central Scotland. They fought the Angles, Saxons and other Germanic peoples migrating into Britain at that time from northern mainland Europe.
These are great! Also Bede is pronounced like bead.
Could Frollo of Gaul be based on the Viking king Rollo of Normany and not Emperor Leo?
Interesting that Barwick, Capital of the Ancient Kingdom of Elmet is in Arthursdale, So many Brittonic placenames and Welsh Towns (Wealdstone, Walton etc) in West & North Yorkshire fit Sites from Arthurs Legends, If later Norse & Norman adaptations are taken into Account, Eboracum (York) is another Legionary City and the Site of Constantine's Conversion, Regarding the Trojan Connection, I find that curious as the Parisi Tribe were The Easterly Neighbours of the Brigantes (Later Elmet) before the Roman Invasion, Funny Coincidence.
This whole thing makes me wonder if merlin was constructed with Odin as the foundation.
The archetypes definitely overlap, and there's near certainly a causal link even if never an intentional evolution from Oðinn to the wizard. Though, for all we know it could be both figures coming from a common origin or even Viking-era Oðinn assimilating characteristics from some British folk figure via trade/etc. in the pre-Viking era.
Thank you for another great video!
I am absolutely sure, above & beyond any shadow of a doubt, that King Arthur and the Grail story is an old Iranian legend from Parthia. Merlin see the future means through reading astrological charts which the Persian ( Iranian Magi ) were famous for, and Magi were an important aspect of kingship. You must read the Shahnameh by the great Persian poet Ferdowsi, you find many similarities in plots and character, specially between Arthur and the Iranian hero" Rostam" from the Scythian tribes. Secondly, if I remember correctly, the Knights of the Roundtable were Sarmatian Knights who were one Iranian tribes. Cheers
Morganwg was an antequarian, poet and collector. He isn't the only antequarian of that era to have invented material. He may have been compiling other people's invention in good faith. Read Ronald Hutton's "Blood and Mistletoe" for an academic appraisal. I think it's unfair to keep describing him as a fraudster. He genuinely was a Bard and founder of modern Druidry.
Mythillogic Ep. 3: Galahad Attains Heaven
Did you lads come across the writings of Baram Blackett and Alan Wilson whilst researching this?
Dodgy guys, far out theories, but parts of their research was very interesting.
Its the truth guys, there is no myth, Arthur was the son of meurig, he was crowned by st dyfrig (dubricius) who is buried in llandaff cathedral in cardiff, wales. Just a little research will show you this, he is even mentioned in saxon histories as a king of glamorgan, and pendragon of the island. Regardless of sour grapes towards wilson and blackett, they have done more work on this than any other Arthurian researchers.
Ive heard Arthur was a celtic cheiftain, a myth a legend even a celtic god that never existed! Crazy ideas for the most famous king in the world! Also no academic can find two of his most famous battlesites, devastating 3 day battles each of them. Mount baedan and camlann. Each of them exist, question is does anyone wish to find them? As they are easily found, makes you wonder if people turn the other way so they CANT find them!!
Heracles and 12 Labors, Arthur and 12 Knights, Jesus and 12 Apostles, Jacob and 12 Tribes, a theme arises, the Zodiac can be described and discussed within these narratives, they are stories that are meant to preserve and teach astronomical phenomena necessary for time keeping, these are often real heroes catastrophized, constellations.
My theory is that it is Christianity. The word and concept of a knight came much later that the legend started and came from the German kneckt "servant". The "round table" where everyone is equal is the table of the Host, the Eucharist.
Arthur is a Latin name of a noble family, Arturus, and means "Noble".
Guinevere means "white spirit". This is the Holy Spirit that the Noble King is united to. Percival means "One who pierces the valley" and this is the sword in the side. The sword in the stone is the crucifixion as well, the Stone being a name for the Lord Jesus Christ. All the names can be translated and fit into the narrative.
But that is my theory, I am not saying it 100% what it is, just that I think what it is.
Balin is a total mad lad
I really enjoyed everything you both shared. I wasn't sure of the pronunciation of the Mabinogion. I spent part of my growing up in Wales; my Mother's family is Welsh-speaking. They pronounced Mabinogion with a slight emphasis on the first and last syllable, and the g is a hard G. Can you clarify? Thank you
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Lady of the Lake, protector of the world; General Extraordinaire, Lady In THe Lake, LILITH. Best woman EVER.
For the record, I liked all the stories and movies about King Arthur, even the 2004 version. Yes, it was an entirely different story/idea/historical fiction, but it was well done. Besides, the fact Mythillogical is making this video, might indicate no one really knows. Why knock interesting ideas, even if far-fetched?
Where exactly did the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch come from then?
from a rabid anti-social liberal bunny! he nibbles your bum.
When people are ignorant everything you dont research well becomes a myth.
The Galahad going to heaven bit was a good laugh.
I know this is an older episode, with less standardized process of research. But I'm shocked that at no point did Charles or Crofty even look up what the Eucharist is and why the Holy Grail was considered so important. A lot of insight probably could have been brought in if they had this info.
The echo is so close as to be unnoticeable. I had to focus on it to hear it. Just listening, it sounded good enough to be enjoyable
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It's fine, you don't pronounce him you venerate him!
A hypnotic investigation has recently suggested that there were in fact two Arthurs belonging to the same royal house in Leeds. One was a king who never fought, the other a brother of a king who fought constantly. See the Hypno-Archaeologist by Philip Ditchfield.
Lol wat?
Me sitting here waiting for the talk about lady of the lake.
more videos with crofty please
Arthur meant "bear man" one mighty in battle,the Chieftan who won the battle of Baddon Hill in 519 was Owyen (Owen)