2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness vs. Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road Trail Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2024
- Can the new 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness stand up against the legendary 2021 Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road when the going gets tough? We took both to an off-road area in the cascade mountains to put both systems to the test.
CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
02:40 - Testing the Tires
07:49 - AWD System Challenge Test (X-Mode vs. MTS)
12:49 - Crawl Control
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This channel does a much better job of giving the Subaru a fighting chance at these comparisons. Realistic scenarios with truly objective points of view. I love this channel. I think Subaru hit a home run with this vehicle. A vehicle that can handle some tough stuff but yet doesn't compromise with the majority of everyday tasks like navigating a supermarket parking lot or driving to work with fuel efficiency.
For Subaru content, this channel is my favorite.
Best bang for the buck in safety, practicality and resell value.
I would on compare the two with the same tires. 4r had the advantage of more appropriate tires in this terrain. Subaru would have been my purchase due to $$ difference. I have a 2017 Forester that I like due to economy and comfort,
@Alan Contreras 4Runners from over a decade ago are still going for north of $25000....
@John Dough depends on the use of the vehicle. I have no plans of climbing a mountain or severe off roading. I need 4x4 for snow, and back roads in my National forest. I'll take the comforts of the Wilderness.
I live in Australia and did a recent trip out to Alice Springs in the desert with my FJ Cruiser. My friend had a Subaru Forester. The Subaru could handle all but one of the official tracks of the East and West MacDonnell ranges. These tracks were mainly rocks and sand. You can do a lot more with the Subaru than you think!
Imagine how much better they would have done with the new Wilderness edition! Unfortunately, I checked with Subaru and they don't think they're bringing the Wilderness in to the country :(
@@LordSothMajere you can buy a lot of the enhancements yourself.
Bring back the FJ!!
Well, you could. But if they'd use a good transmission you could more than once every decade. I love Subaru and want a Crosstrek with the new bigger engine IF they'd put a real transmission back in with a slower first gear. Or if they're design their own CVT that's way stronger for towing (as in a small trailer with an ATV or something if needed), more reliable, and offered high and low range. Always wondered, if ATV'S have low in CVT why not a Subaru?
@@jackle842000 because regardless of how you want to slice it the biggest customer based they have is middle aged women. The cars are functional in ice and snow which is why they buy them. If you want it on your Subaru you'll have to modify it and explaining why the low range is crawling to a woman who won't care is wasting money. IF Subaru ever did that it would cost $8000 more for the package. The wilderness is a joke btw.
I just bought my daughter a 2022 Outback Wilderness, she loves it. I paid just over 49,000 with an added hitch, a little bumpier tire, plus the trade in of my daughters older Subaru. Subies rock!
Hey it's me, your long lost daughter. I could use a new subaru!
@@johnathonuncapher7523 Lol, I only have one daughter. If I had extra money, I would actually buy you one for your cute comment! 🙂
Really impressed with the Subaru!! It had smaller, less aggressive tires with a lower profile sidewall and still did really well!
Don’t you think having the same tire is important for comparisons?
Tony, don't bring your sensibilities to this biased comparison XD I was thinking the same thing!
As much as I like this channel, you shouldn't watch it to get a fair comparison between cars, because you won't get it. They have cars they like, and they really don't make it a secret that they're helping a certain car to win. Such as the 4runner in this case...they didn't like the OEM tires on it, so they put pretty decent A/T tires on it. They didn't think the OEM tires on the Subaru were that great, but they left them on and compared them as equals. Plus they just don't always use built in traction features and such correctly or at all, giving the advantage to whatever car they're favoring.
tl;dr, cool channel, the car they want to come out on top will but at least they aren't super secret about being shady.
@@WaruiKoohii favored or not, the 4Runner would win every time. CVT doesn’t compare to a standard automatic, and add in Toyota’s superior drive modes, 4 Low, locking differentials, and the Subie is at a distinct disadvantage. No need to complain, the Toyota is made to be a better off road vehicle. And it costs a lot more too.
@@WaruiKoohii the Subaru was on loan, that's why they babied it more. I'd reckon that's also why they didn't upgrade the tires. The Toyota is their's to modify and they went with a tire that is more capable than stock. With limited budgets/resources they can't line up every test to be as fair as possible. Maybe once they get more income from the channel, that can improve.
Weird a $50,000 4Runner with aftermarket wheels did better than a $28,000 Subaru with stock wheels….this was a dumb comparison
I believe some folks were missing the reason for the comparison. The Toyota was a benchmark to base the capabilities of the Wilderness Edition, not to see which one is a better off roader.
My next vehicle will be the Outback Wilderness Edition. I love Jeeps, but I am a city slicker, and have no real reason to own one for the driving that I do. The Outback is made for softroading, road trips and grocery getting. If money were not an object, I certainly would get a Jeep with the EcoDiesel, but I would also not live in my tiny condo, and go offroading as much as I could in my spare time. Such as it is, the Subaru is great for my needs.
So are you saying you prefer being in your tiny condo than go outside? Maybe you were never really going to be a jeep owner? But I have one and have to say its not as bad a grocery duties nowadays
@@googleleavemynamealone9145
I haven't a clue as to what you are trying to convey.
I now own the Outback Wilderness Edition and am quite pleased with my purchase and its capabilities. If I lived in the country, like I used to, then my old Kaiser Jeep M-715 would have been a great back up vehicle to have for harsher or challenging obstacles. As it is, the Subaru is great for my needs.
@@googleleavemynamealone9145 #coolguyclub
I have owned 4 Wranglers, and now own a Subaru. Wranglers are great if you are going to be off-roading a lot because they make so many off-road accessories for them and you can really build them up. I live in a really remote area that requires four wheel drive to get to the majority of the time. So I bought Jeep Wranglers for several years. However, I had numerous problems with them including major problems with the lifters and cam in the 3.6 engines. These problems combined (total cost for all 4 vehicles to get repaired by a dealership were $21,876.34 luckily I bought extended warranties on all but one) with not so great fuel mileage, made me change over to a Subaru. Once I got past the fact I was driving a Subaru, I fell in love with it. It has gotten me through some rough snow storms and rain washed muddy roads. They are very efficient and reliable vehicles. Go check out what the locals drive in the ski towns and you will be surprised.
The wife and I picked up a 2022 Outback Wilderness last weekend. Its a badass suv. Looks amazing inside and out and its super comfortable. We live in FL and its super flat here but driving on the sandy beaches and getting out the trenches is easy work for the Outback without sacrificing all the comfy amenities. We like camping and hiking and there isnt a place we cant go with the Outback here in FL. Only complaint is the 6 speaker audio system. It just plain sucks. First upgrade is the audio.
I'm watching you from Germany. I'm so jealous of the cool cars you have in the USA. We don't have any 4Runners and the Outback is only a standard model without a turbo engine. Your videos are wonderful! Thank you so much for that!
We don't have the GR Yaris, 2 Door Land Cruiser Prado, Corolla Touring Sports or Yaris Cross to name but a few.
@@rightlanehog3151 Pros and Cons for us on either side of the pond.
In America, we do get some pretty cool 'adventure' oriented rides. There are lots of places to have fun around here and millions of people live on dirt roads out in the country.
Ryan thank you for taking the Wilderness on a little adventure. I was impressed with its ability to direct power to the wheels that weren't spinning. I have watched the regular Outbacks and the like spin their wheels - going nowhere. Excellent job on the editing and Karleen adds to the episode.
The 4 runner is king except for mpg but the Subaru did better than expected. Put the same all terrains on the Subaru and you got perhaps the best adventure all arounder
Which is why I won’t ever buy a 4Runner until power and efficiencies have been greatly improved. Looking to 2023 for a major redesign
When I bought my 4 runner I went from an SUV that got about 15 MPG combined. So it was no change for me.
As a softroader the Subaru is amazing.
Albeit with a crappy CVT.
@@Rodisflawless yeah. I own a car with a CVT. It is awesome on the road and whatnot. I have no real complaints. But slow driving or any driving that would involve working the tranny....yeah, not a good choice
Symmetrical AWD KING
I was just laying here on the couch selling an outback to my wife.... when in the first 30 seconds, I recognize the spot where we cur our christmas tree! Then proceed to notice the trail system they're using is in our back yard! Great video, great review!
Seeing someone put the outback wilderness through its paces outside of a subaru press course was great. Excellent production quality and I hope subaru will loan you out more offroad vehicles in the future for these kinds of tests, far more capable than it looks
The next off road vehicle Subaru makes, will be their first. C'mon man, these are station wagons that are meant for wet pavement.
@@robs6733 clearly it is more capable than simply going over wet pavement.
@@IronGuardLegionnaire barely.
@@robs6733 Did we watch the same video? It doesnt have a dedicated super low gear, that's the only thing holding it back. I own one and take it anywhere my jeep can go.
@@ozzyakiro4734 yes we watched the same video. All you Subaru guys are the same, "if only it had" excuses. Like I said, it's a station wagon with all wheel drive, and you guys think it's a real 4wd. 🤣
Well done Karleena! Great job with the 4Runner and nice video of both of you. Greetings from Austria
The Outback is good for 95% of people. The other 5% that push the limits will do better with the 4R.
Offroading is a valid test, but not enough emphasis in reviews about how well Subaru handles slippery roads. The amount of control I have is crazy. Big open parking lot in the middle of winter, making sharp sudden turns, never losing control. Almost boring. Any of my other vehicles and the backend is trying to slide out or understeering. The 4x4s are clawing their ways out of the ditch while the Subarus never get in the ditch in the first place.
Pretty much and I've been trying to figure out for years which camp I belong to, but so far, I shop the jeeps and 4 runners, and buy Subarus.
and for that reason, it will still be successful. wildly so in the PNW. I could see people having one Outback Wilderness as a daily and maybe a vastly customized rock crawling Wrangler, or just one 4Runner. and i think going either route is perfectly valid.
It's not about people, it's about uses. I wouldn't want the 4Runner for a 125-mile commute in "mountain driving" conditions (i.e. anything is possible), but I also can't imagine the Subaru on anything more than an easy dirt road. The CVT is a PITA in the best conditions and it doesn't have any low gearing. Subaru claims 8.5" of ground clearance, but that is the clearance of the entire underbody. The stock 4Runner is 9" (ish?) minimum ground clearance -- i.e. a single low point. Further, approach, break over and departure angles are what you would expect in a car. One is a truck that drives fine on road, one is a car that can be driven in dirt. If you have a long daily commute and expect to travel extensively off pavement, you need both.
I’m loving this battle. But the Subaru still made it ;) And can we just talk about that turning radius? If there were dirt roads to my office , I would so be in the 4Runner camp. Maybe I should change jobs. I love both vehicles!
This just proves that a subaru does pretty much all you would ever need. If you do anything more than that you should just be getting a dedicated off roader at that point
You mean everything you would ever need. My last camping spot needing 4WD I would have never made it out with a Subaru. 0 percent chance. And yes I’ve owned an Outback recently.
@@milesb4231 not this subaru though... they've done a lot to enhance it.
Still it’s AWD. Also it’s subjective because a lot of us want our vehicles to do more. The thing slipped a hell of a lot more and was on three wheels.
@@vilhelmstein2091 This is a stock Subaru from the factory🤦 It's no different than a Toyota TRD.
@@veganpotterthevegan all I'm saying is it's better than your average outback. Hell no it won't do hardcore off roading, but it's still pretty darn impressive.
Throw some KO2s on it and it would do even better.
You'd have to be a little off in the head to believe its on the same level as a true 4x4.
The more I watch about the wilderness edition, the more I want one! Great video as always!
I've rented 4Runners often while traveling and never fully enjoyed the driving experience or ergonomics. Nice room for extra people and camera gear but not exciting to drive. Bought my son a Crosstrek Sport and was thoroughly impressed with the attention to detail and driving experience. Whether driving canyon roads to the beach or going skiing the Subaru is a very fun and comfortable car to drive.
I had a 4x4 Tacoma a few years ago for work and it was not exactly fun. The seating position was uncompromising and road noise was bad. I definitely respect their pedigree and reliability but man, it’s hard to like one after using it for awhile
4runners are nice if you live on a mountain pass but it's really uncomfortable for longer trips
No doubt, suburbs drive well. then again, one is a car, one is a body on frame truck, so to be expected, especially given the weight difference. The other thing to consider is the 5th gen 4 runner reviewed here was last redesigned in 2011. Pretty crazy it’s a 10 year old model that has only had the most minor changes.
Great video as always Ryan. I greatly appreciate your work in taking these vehicles in real life situations that many of us use them in. Far more informative than the reviewers that never venture off the pavement.
I just found out this amazing channel a few days ago and I have already watched so many of your videos and I seriously love them you guys are doing amazing job .
I have a 2022 Outback Wilderness and a 2015 4Runner so theses challenges were particularly fun to watch. I think they are both excellent vehicles with their own individual attributes. I would never be doing that level of off-roading. More mud , loose rock and lots of snow where both are very capable. Great videos!
Which is better for a daily?
@@stevep4236 with the price of gas probably the Outback😁
@@truenorthcarver especially when you're in places like CA...lol looking into the outback myself, Thx for replying back
Ryan, your channel has become one of the best auto channels on YT.
This is the first TH-cam video where I’ve seen a 4Runner with the bronze TRD wheels. I’m loving it.
Mine is black with matte bronze wheels. It looks fucking dope. Wish I could post a picture in here.
Check out speed academy channel. They've just modified a 4runner and it's awesome
I don’t even own a Toyota but I do like the wheels 😊. I would totally put em on an older Hilux diesel if I had one, should have bought a JDM ‘runner while they were cheap here in British Columbia, oh well.
@@rsscott5672 just watched the whole series. Was awesome. Most impressed by those morimoto head/taillights. Wow
4 Runner = Serious Adventure Off Roadster
Outback = Multi Terrain SUV
Outback= dirt or paved roads. 4Runner= everything else
@@chazerrrr well clearly the ob can do more than that based on this test.
subaru = junkyard at 88k miles. 4 runner = almost broken in at 188k miles
@@blueridgedsia nah we had a 500k mile outback
@@blueridgedsia also like why is that all you care about? You act as if reliability is the sole concern when buying a car…
I’m going outback all day. They both handle the terrain and the fuel economy it’s much more realistic on the outback for a daily driver. The reality is, most people who buys these vehicles are not driving through that type of terrain.
Also, subarus are decent at off roading but snow is where they really shine
Your right but the 4runner looks sexier.
No thanks. There's a reason most offroad Aussies stick with Nissan Patrols, Land cruisers Hiluxes etc. No bash plates that's a bad day CVT off roading is asking for premature death that's why Toyota won't budge for the Truck class anyone that knows there grit of actual offroading and not trail driving knows there's a minimum requirement for ground clearance and Subarus don't have that
99.5% of the people I see driving 4runners will never get more than dirt from parking lots on them
@@Tallnerdyguy i think more people get them for the bulletproof factor and resell value. Subarus lose there value pretty quick conpared to a 4 runner or tacoma
That CVT is why I’m a “bitter clinger” when it comes to my 2013 Forester. As a great patriot once said, _”From time to time, the Tree of Liberty must be watered with the transmission fluid of CVT-equipped Subies.”_
Very impress with the Outback Wilderness. Can't wait for a few more videos from you on the vehicle.
Great, was looking forward to this, my reflexes hit the thumbs up immediately!
I really really want a Wilderness Forester. But of course I have had concerns with the CVT. I love the info that was packed into this video
Having had both, I think they are both great vehicles, but as far as longevity, nothing beats a 4 runner
I’m impressed with the Subie! As I live in the city and like a vehicle that I can use to access trails on occasion with no issues I’d go with the Outback.
YES
Subaru's are for woke idiots, not outdoorsy people.
Oh no, it's so bad to " awoken" to the problems facing minorities and the LGBTQ community,
I'm sure Jeep has only straight white Americans that drive them..
THE HORROR👹
@@KrolKaz I know so many lesbians with Jeeps. I know Bill will be disappointed.
And if the worst thing you can call a Subie owner is “woke" I’ll take it. I’m happy past owner of an Impreza Sport and current owner of a 2015 WRX. Call me “Woke as F***”. 😊✌🏾🖖🏾✊🏾⛩🕉
Impressive performance by the Wilderness. But hey, if you're serious about off-roading, come on, the 4Runner is very tough to beat. If your definition of off-roading is a wide track made of gravel, the Wilderness model seems to be very adequate.
I bought a new 4Runner Sport V8 back in 2004. Little did I know that I would still be driving it every day in 2021. Over 200,000 miles with zero problems - and I'm taking it on a 2,000-mile cross-country trip next month. The biggest issue with my 4Runner is that I really want to get a new vehicle soon - but I can't find a good reason to buy one. My best advice to anyone who is thinking of getting a 4Runner is to make sure and get all the options you want, and get the right color because you are probably going to live with it for decades.
@@zzanatos2001 guess gas is cheap enough in the US that going for something more efficient like the Outback isn't really necessary. $4.90USD/gallon (3.78L) here in Vancouver BC. Makes gas guzzlers pretty painful. You are definitely getting your dollars' worth out of your 4runner, which is awesome.
@@zzanatos2001 best 4runner ad ever! Toyota should be sending you one for free!
@@bradcomis1066 that about what prices are like here in california. i just paid over 5/gallon the other day for premium. lots of the country is still pretty cheap in the 3 dollar range though. all depends where ya live
We can realistically expect gas prices of over $6 in the near future with Sippy Cup Sleepy Joe skuttling the newly gained energy independence of the United States in favor of buying the same amount of fuel from competitors overseas. Databyter
This is exactly the test I was waiting, those are the only modern cars I am interested in, otherwise I'd have to go for an '05 pajero sport, and both outback wildernerness and 4runner trd pro are US-exclusive. Since I am from Europe, well done motor companies, you f us once again
Same here...wish I could get me a 4runner TRD Offroad over here in Germany - so far my 2018 Forester is holding up well tho when it comes to some more "serious" offroading...hoping to be able to upgrade sometime rather sooner than later
4runner I can live without, a Hilux or Isuzu with a bit of is a good alternative, but that we cannot get the newer turbo engined Subarus here in Norway /EU is just a shame..
That 4Runner is definitely the benchmark. I can’t believe how well that Subaru did. I just picked up a 2018 outback with the 3.6R. It’s really a great vehicle
What kind of fuel economy do you get in the outback? Looking to replace my wife's Legacy, and weighing economy vs power for occasional trips to Utah and Colorado.
I have a ‘13 Outback with the 6. Thinking of trading it in for a new Outback.
@@forkthepork I get between 23.7 and 24mpg combined. It’s a pretty big vehicle with a pretty powerful flat six. So it’s actually not too bad. The lack of high mpg is definitely worth that extra power
You guys are So MUCH better than TFLtrucks, this is unbiased real reviews with real people!
I hope TFL learns something here...quite few of us don't like their style anymore
You guys are the best! Thank you so much for this video!!! So well done. Excellent editing and production! As a Subaru sales rep and future Wilderness owner, I value this. I’ve owned a 4Runner and loved it... but for the value and performance....Outback all the way always!🙂
Excellent video! Thanks. Look forward to your off-road videos of the 2022 Subaru Forester Wilderness - hopefully one comparing the Forester Wilderness to the Outback Wilderness.
Wow I really like the style of the video y’all made.
Great review on the 4Runner. You really understand the systems and how to use them.
Nice review! Finally see some offroad action above somethig any stock prius can do. It's always nice to see cars pushed to their limits.
I like this channel a lot it reminds of the weekends power block they show that use to be on tv.
The Subaru: more comfortable, better mileage, cheaper, easier to park, cheaper to insure
And it hangs with a trd 4runner on trails that most of it's owners will never endeavor to take on .. And on the tires it came with! Big win in my books. Guaranteed that 4runner gets even worse mileage with that wheel/tire package...
Repairing and maintaining the Subaru would be cheaper and easier most likely.
@@imnotacrook5298 way cheaper - but you probably won't have to repair much on the Toyota ☺️
That 4 Runner has a bullet proof rep not to mention you hardly lose any money when you sell it might even make a profit these days...if the Subaru reliability is close to the Toyota it should be a no brainer for most...
That's an engaging comparision, loved those explanations. Well done team!!
I have an Outback and 4Runner... the Outback is an unbeatable road car especially in snow country. The 4Runner is a great off-road machine. The Outback is not a serious off-road machine. The Outback can handle light off-road situations just fine, but that CVT transmission will burn up if you aren't careful. Don't get an Outback and try to follow Jeeps and 4Runners. You will burn and bash it up pretty fast...
My 2018 Outback burned oil. :(
The cvt is updated for the Wilderness. But basically you are right.
Do you have the wilderness??
No manual option?
Agreed that Outback is unbeatable road car with off road capability. I've had a 2010 for years and a 2019 replacement with no CVT issues whatsoever while towing a boat with the 2010 for years on end. That said the 4Runner is more truck like and it shows off road.
Good back and forth with the two hosts on this video.
Great video and comparison. You guys have an awesome job...
As a Seattle-ite, I have a major bias in favor of Subaru, and this video only validates my opinion
You definitely showed at the end of the video that driving skill and experience has as much to do with off roading as the vehicle. So yes crawl control is a cool trick.
Nice, thanks for the insightful tips. Just bought a 2023 Wilderness and I am incredibly satisfied with it "out of the box". And FYI, I'm a 25 year veteran of the Old Dale District running over that terrain with 3 generations of Toyotas!
Enjoyed the video and comparison. Thanks for posting.
Great way to start my Saturday!
Watching from Europe!
So!
Roller slip test of both would be nice!
@@T.e.d.d.y. I doubt I can find these cars, 4Runner is not offered in Europe. Outback is available but not in Wilderness version.
to polecam 4runner TRD PRO do testu tam w Polsce. Kupilem w tym roku i jestem mega zadowolony tylko wyzsze modele wranglera w terenie sa lepsze
@@windirwindir4518 Super, skąd dokładnie jesteś? Jeśli masz możliwość, to zapraszam do kontaktu przez Facebooka albo gdzieś u mnie na kanale 🙂
Would love to see more comparisons that use the same tire on both/all vehicles.
Not to mention the 4Runner has a live rear axle so it would have significantly more articulation for off road traction.
I mean from the start the 4runner is going to have a huge advantage with those tires. That's a huge upgrade.
Agreed. It was the first thing I changed on my 4R. Toyota really should be selling these with more capable off road tires, but that might cut into sales of the Pro version.
The Outback tires are Yokohama are Geolander G015's all terrains. Not a slouch tire by any means.
@@levskitoronto Not even comparable to the Falkens. BFG and General ATX are really the only AT that are same aggressiveness.
@@levskitoronto it’s like the least aggressive all terrain tire there is tho
Still amazed at how well the outback kept up, even if there was a slight mismatch with the tires, still did amazing.
Impressed by the subie! If i would be going for a full off-road adventure/project i'd choose the toyota of course. But If i'd just be an off-road&camping adventure amateur i'd go for the subie for sure.
Finally somebody who gets it.
@@Databyter yup and what was the 4runner rated at.. 17mpg?
Yeah my only beef with the outback wilderness is it really expensive for The fact that it’s still doesn’t have a normal automatic transmission, no real four-wheel-drive. Subarus thing is being cheap but capable enough, the outback is capable but not cheap.
@@jpc3984 Yes and honestly those CVT's scare me. I don't think I'm ready to trust my $40k on something that might hand grenade and leave me stranded 1000 miles away from home.
@@frankish5314 The Wilderness Drivetrain is warrantied for 6 years or 60,000 miles. Subaru is standing behind their new CVT. This is the CVT used in the Ascent which is tow rated for 5,000 lbs. If your gonna have CVT problems for your usage, chances are you will have them within that Warranty period. That is huge and worth 40K in my opinion. Databyter
Excellent review ! You are a great team !
I went back and forth for a few months between Outback and 4 runner. I bought the Outback XT and very happy I did. I live in Nevada and go off on trails for hiking and mountain biking. Longs drives are more enjoyable with the Outback vs my SUV I had.
Finally watching! from Chile! 🇨🇱
That 4Runner with those TRD bronze wheels is sheer beauty. Great video.
Does he have a video detailing the wheels and tires?
Another excellent video. Ryan. I really like the addition of an unexperienced driver. Kudos! Itsa 10!
Great video! Thank you for making this
Love the video, I'm so excited for my Wilderness, it's coming in the next few weeks. I haven't decided if I'm going to get the two extra skid plates for the differentials, did you find that they came in handy during this? Did they prevent any scraping?
It’s for them to be scraped vs what they are covering your soft bits…per say
It's only $600 for a vehicle that costs 40K. I would personally do it because I WILL and HAVE taken my Subarus off the beaten path and always have to be super careful. And even with skid plates you will still have to be careful, but it should help a lot and give you advance warning of problems in your line. Databyter
Even though it seems like an odd comparison, it’s a solid test for the Outback to compete with a BoF off road SUV.
Great vid!
Appreciate the content! So FUN and informative!!
4Runner forever, I wouldn’t trust anything else, mine has never let me down.
it will if you swerve quickly.....they are number one in roll over..
Same comment here
@@CourtyardPigeon
ANY SUV that you swerve quickly with could roll over, that just common sense.
Show me your facts that say it’s the #1 vehicle in 2021 to roll over. Go ahead, I’ll wait….
@@lucsonfrancois6292 same comment here….waiting…
@@kmanter I have a off road one I am planning to keep forever
Awesome review as always! Greetings from New Zealand!
Crazy how a good review, unbiased gives also positive comments. If TFL would have done this review, the comments here would be just from the people who had experienced bad things with the CVT, and it won't be much positive comments.
Those guys are mad at Subaru, and whether they admit it or not are baised. They are also really into Jeeps and compare everything to hard duty technical offroading. And they think their ownership of a Crosstrek makes them immune to this criticism. Databyter
That's one of your greatest tests. The trails were extremely challenging and daring. Well done people!
I love this channel, alaways great videos.i have one question. I own 4 Runner TRD OFF ROAD, and i do have MTS. I know its should be in 4L to use MTS, so if I enged in MTS i know it shoud be i neutral, do I have to move to D after i enged to crwal system, like example to go with MOGUL, it will stay in Neutral or do I have to enged to Drive?
You only need to switch into Neutral to engage the 4lo transfer case. After that you can engage MTS and Crawl so long as you are driving at a speed appropriate. (If too fast, it will just tell you so, no problems.)
@@drivingsports Great, its good to know. Thank you so much for answer.
Best regards from NC!
I have a '22 wilderness on order, can't wait to get it.
Yep this is exactly what I've been waiting for... (Rubbing my hands together) Lets get to it!!! lol
The fact that a Subaru is even keeping pace with a 4Runner blows my mind.
It's because the 4Runner is soft.
@@717UT lol
As someone that off-roads his subaru a lot in Utah, it's not really keeping up. It definitely could on these trails though. I'm disappointed they picked Geolander tires for the car.
@@veganpotterthevegan Tires can completely change the characteristics of nearly any vehicle. Sometimes with my WJ, I wish I had bought a set of MTs before I ever lifted it and just drove the heck out of it. Now I have a small lift and 31" MTs and I can go way more places than I ever imagined. 33s here I come!
@@717UT I love only having a 1" lift and tires that just barely fit. The low center of gravity makes up for a lot of my Forester's shortcomings
Thanks for confirming my decision that I still want to trade in my 2" spacer lifted 2018 Outback 3.6 for a 6th gen 4Runner when they finally come out. Toyota fanboy here. The Outback certainly has done a better than expected job on trails but I just want that 4Runner, can't afford the gas on the current one.
Thanks for all your testing and giving such useful information! We had fallen in love with Subaru when on vacation in the US 3 years ago. When back in Germany we actually bought a Subaru Outback of our own and have been very satisfied with until now. However, it will be in 2022 only when we'll start "offroading" (a 4 months and 10,000 mile trip around the US, mainly in the North and South West). Unluckily, we are at loss which AT tires to purchase. We intend to just medium level/difficulty offroad tours, but you never know - better safe than sorry. Any suggestion as to what tires would serve our purpose best? General Tire Grabber AT3? YOKOHAMA G003? BF Goodrich Al-Ter? UNIGRIP LA-AT? We have honestly no idea. Thanks and regards from Germany
I like the General Grabber ATx
The Outback did well now let’s see the wilderness on TFL with better tires.
TFL will take it somewhere it can't handle and then complain about it
Lol they will say it sucks
They are just haters 😏
Subaru doesn’t loan cars to TFL. They don’t want their cars in true off road situations, I guess 🤷♂️
TFL junior will back it up into a wall in a shopping mall
Both of these vehicles are more likely to see Starbucks drive thru than off road trail ....
I think that's true of an awful lot of AWD vehicles too.
@@pauldenali6367 and most 4WD vehicles
Very good review. Keep up the good work
I have a 2020 Forester and I love it. I don’t do a lot of off roading but I do wish to do it more.
My pick is the Outback since I’ll probably use it more as a daily/ family car than an off roader. But I must say 4runner has been my dream to have and honestly I’m rooting for it but the fuel economy is going to be a big deal for me.
That second course…….. the Outback handled it like a champ. That was NOT and easy course.
did not expect it to make it
@@ismaelsandoval9240 I didn't either. I was sure that with the stock tires it was going to fail.
Yeah, it was pathetic how much it took to make it though.
@@robs6733 I wouldn’t call it “pathetic”. All things considered, the Outback is a car posing as an SUV. So with stock tires and a CVT that cripples it due to its lack of a low-range gear. Getting up that corse was pretty gnarly. There’s some CUVs that can’t do that.
@@robs6733 for a wagon it was fucking great lmao
In these tests the Subaru kept up with the 4-runner and did quite well and I thought the challenges were very difficult. It’s still not as capable obviously but it seems like it’s a significantly better than a basic outback or forester. Very impressive.
The Outback did remarkable, end of story
My Forester Touring with a 2 inch lift from Ironman 4X4 and the Falken Wildpeaks can do as much as a Forester Wilderness.
Sadly you can no longer get skid plates from Subaru. Ralitek had the best skid plates on the market, (my opinion).
But for any serious off roading (if you don’t have a Wilderness trim), you’ll need to install an additional engine and transmission cooler.
My wife will Not let me take her Outback on anything more than light off roading (like her parents’ 3 mile long driveway in MT), but she’s ok when I do a bit more in my Forester.
For serious off roading, we take our 4X4 pickup.
I'm a former Rubicon owner (loved it), current 4runner owner (love more) but may move to the Subaru. Throw some BFG ATs on and that vehicle will really shine. With much better gas milage than my last and current vehicle (though little less cargo space than 4runner).
Just purchased Subu. Drove home in a complete monsoon. Handled every rain pooled road perfectly. Stuck like Velcro.
@ Driving Sports TV this looks a lot like its in oregon.... Possibly the powerline road around the university falls/ browns camp area off HWY 26?
Cool! Once again, the Subie is amazingly impressive, especially given the less-than-comparable tires.
It’s very impressive. It only needed 1 quart of oil to top it off this time. And the cvt went out on his way back home instead of on the trail. Very impressive indeed.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 that you need to make stuff up and lie to make your points is enlightening.
Actually this model uses smaller rims and taller tires designed to hold more air, that can be aired down, which makes a TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE when going over rocks and stumps. The tire deforms over the obstacle and grabs it like a glove. I get why reviewers don't air down, but people going over challenging roads do, and carry either a small air tank or an electric pump with them to re-air at the highway. It really makes a big difference and most serious AT or AT light tires are designed to be aired down with less chance of slipping a bead. Databyter
Great review. For me it is the 4runner without a doubt, but subaru have done a really great job with this new outback.
I have a 2022 Outback Wilderness. I would not trade it in for anything. Good fuel economy, turbo, and pretty capable AWD. I have taken my Subaru to gnarlier places than in this video. No sweat. Almost 3ft of snow, deep mud and severe grades. Love this channel, great content.
Nice comparison and good review. Crawl control would be a very nice add to the Wilderness. I wonder if it could be a software update, since most of the mechanical items are in place.
A Crawl in the Wilderness would be great.
I’m sure Subaru could do it with a program. Perhaps they’ll do it down the road
Thanks Ryan for a great review!! I’ve been waiting for The Wilderness and you just demonstrated that it has more capabilities than I’ll ever need. Subaru has hit a home run with this.
Mine arrives on July 13th, been waiting since early May!😀
Just got mine last Monday. CANNOT wait to hit the Rockies this fall!
I'm actually really impressed with the Subaru. I knew the 4Runner would handle all these with ease, also great choice on the new tires and wheels, I love that color combo. But I did not think the Subaru would do as well as it did. Really, unless you're regularly doing trails this difficult or harder, the Subaru is a great choice, because it (probably) does literally everything else better than the 4Runner, and is much easier, comfortable, and economical to live with.
(I have a 5th gen 4Runner with all terrains, BTW, and I drive with a light foot and do mostly highway at 70 mph or under, and I typically get about 20.5 MPG with it)
That said, I wouldn't buy a Subaru, because I don't like their engines, and I'm still not sold on the CVT. If they ever get around to updating their engines and putting in say an 8 or 10 speed auto, I'd be a potential customer.
The engines and the CVT keeps me away from Subaru as well....or at least if they'd offer a manual transmission they might get my interest but the CVT in itself keeps me away. They're cars are capable in certain models like the Outback Wilderness, its not 4x4 rock crawling vehicle of course but for most of us who just drive down some gravel and dirt backroads to a camping spot occasionally, the Subaru would be a great fit for those duties, as well as snow/ice.
@@wildbill23c Without those engines, they wouldnt be subarus, so its kind of an oxymoron. Absolutely nothing wrong with them.
@@somethingelse9535 Nothing wrong with them other than the fact they still have the same power outputs they've had for what 20+ years...although good for snow/ice as they don't have as much power to just sit there and spin the wheels like today's high horsepower/torque crossovers do. They had issues with overheating and cylinder head warping did they fix those problems in the newer models? I think those were issues in the early to mid-2000's? They've come quite a ways with their CVT's as shown in some recent videos with the Wilderness models.
@@wildbill23c The only real issue with them were the 2.5L NA motors from 2002 to around 2005 with head gaskets. Which at worst was a gradual thing, not a leave you stranded fault. (the fix is to use the gasket from the Turbo model). Otherwise Subarus are extremely reliable.
If you want a modern car with old used forever motor designs, try Toyota. There's a reason Toyota and Subaru stick with a design.
@@somethingelse9535 I've been eying the new Subaru Outback Wilderness lately. I wanted a Ford Maverick AWD Fx4 but they're so backed up with orders, and I'm not all that fond of a turbo replacing a larger displacement engine LOL. So the Outback Wilderness might find itself in the driveway in the next year or so.
Love the channel! Wondered what size Falken Wildpeaks you went with in the end for the 4Runner and if they were SL or E rated versions? Just caught a view of the sidewall saw it was the stock size in the SL's. Did you think about the E rated versions of that size or even going up to the 285's?
Considered going with the E rated or larger. But we do a lot of road trips and I don’t want too much of a hit on economy. The TRD wheels are narrower than stock by 1/2 inch. That gives a very very small lift.
@@drivingsports thanks for the super quick reply wasn’t expecting that! I’m at the point of deciding what specs for that very tire. I will likely go with the same SL version as well for the silica compound being based in the north east with snow and rain!
Congrats on the new hill as well, that’s awesome, can’t wait to see how you transform that as you go! Going to be epic!
What was your reasoning behind going with the Falken Wildpeaks instead of something like a Nitto Grappler or Geolander asking because I’m looking at replacing the stock tires on my 2021 4Runner as well.
And here I am with an old F150 just running terrain like this never thinking I shouldn't be able to make it 😂
Interesting comparo. I was expecting the 4Runner to trounce, but the Subie did quite well (and I own an Outback). For "heavy lifting," I'd still pick the 4Runner, but for more moderate adventures combined with daily driving, the Subaru looks to be a fine choice as well.
My wife’s Outback stays on the road. My Forester Touring can do mild to moderate off roading, but for the serious fun we take our 4X4 pickup
Awesome content... I was and still trying to decide between the outback wilderness edition and the 4 runner 40th edition. ..... subscribed
at the end of the day the subaru is a car and the toyota is a truck . your choice
Really have been waiting
I'm surprised how the Outback did, certainly would handle anything I would throw at it.
Outback huge interior quiet ride and safety features including near autonomous driving I used in traffic daily it’s a no brainer. It’s the only car I don’t get tired after 10 hrs. Audi Q7, xc90 in comparison. 4 runner is a truck, period. I’ll get one if I off-road more than 50 percent. Check the spec of outback rear leg room and head space vs ANY VEHICLE!
@@edwardlaw797 Absolutely 100% correct. As someone who purchased an Outback Onyx edition last year I considered the 4runner but ultimately gas mileage, and 4runners lack of blind spot monitoring did it for me.
Really, it showed that subaru is a joke off road. Now imagine it loaded with gear , along with your family that 4runners and jeeps tend to haul.. This thing was loaded and had problems. They just need to get rid of cvt or make more Manual transmission. If they are concerned about gas, then make a more efficient engine. But honestly I did harder stuff than that this weekend in my gladiator ecodiesel, and it gets better mpg than both , has more torqe, more room, and latest tech and comfort., ps, I pulled one out of sand at Lopez lake sunday.lol.
@@taraaaron1242 Sure, but it depends what you want it for. I'm not going "off roading", so it's more than enough, and better than expected.
@@taraaaron1242 Jeeps are basically purpose-built for off-roading. Subarus are made for every-day driving with off-road capabilities. Not everyone likes the utilitarian styling of the Jeep, and that's fine. The Jeep is also a lot more expensive, so that's a consideration.
My Forester Sport has done an amazing job with everything I've thrown at it, including driving in snow up to the bumpers. I will agree that the CVT is a weak-point, but as far as CVT's go, it's actually pretty good.
Much respect for the subaru's but let be honest that 4Runner is made for strictly off-roading and it was not even driven to its full potential. Toyota for the win.
Subaru is a comfortable safe AWD vehicle. However that outback with the same kind of tires as on the 4 runner may perform a little better for the intended test. We know. Subaru hasn't built a real 4x4 suv yet. Up to now It's an excellent AWD.
@@housco11 your right is it a good vehicle nothing taken but... it is still not a full 4x4 meaning that in a tight situation would you take a Subaru out in the wild country hunting probably not. Most will have a truck or real 4x4 they just have different suspensions longer travel better shocks etc.. I'd take the Subaru to the beach though... they actually nice... just like the toyotas better
@@Adrian-jh5cr I agree with you in some points, and I think one of the weak points of the Outback is low travel due to independent suspension front and back, but the Subi with better tires a lift and suspension has a lot to offer. Having said that, more often than not, the driver makes a lot of difference, as seen in the video on the following link th-cam.com/video/_RafVwMjOKY/w-d-xo.html I own a 2004 Legacy but I wouldn't buy an Outback to do off road (for overlanding perhaps) I own an old Jeep for off road and a 426 Unimog for mix off road and some work.
@@pablomaximilianogomezaguir7659 Your right I have seen them do some pretty cool stuff i saw one that was lifted and had KO2s on it did very well.
@@Adrian-jh5cr Yeah properly equipped they can do a lot, considering they are AWD and have independent suspension, there's a guy here on TH-cam that travels around on a lifted forester with Ko2s and it does pretty well.
Definitely curious how the Outback would perform if you used the Wildpeaks and what about lowering the air pressure a bit? 33psi seems a tad high for those situations and 33psi would hold up better if they were the same tires vs those Geolanders.
I own 2 vehicles. A 5th Gen 4Runner and and a 2020 Outback XT Onyx. This was a satisfying video knowing both can perform well. My 4Runner is my tow vehicle and offroader, and the Outback is a great road tripper for everything else. Really two different tools for two different purposes. I enjoy driving the Outback on roads and gravel roads more, and 4Runner makes easy work on the harder stuff with a locker and 4LO.
The wilderness and 4Runner have the same tow cap of 3500lbs I believe.
Subarus are quite the vehicles, best reviewer out there as far as real world testing.
Great comparison! Outback Wilderness was impressive more than capable for most people but, man, 4Runner Off-Road is unfairly better and so composed.
Love these videos, thanks !
Very good video, thanks for sharing it, keep it up !!