War in Heaven - Joe Rogan, Jim Carrey, Andrew Huberman and Jordan Peterson - Our Spiritual Warriors?
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- Joe Rogan, Jim Carrey, Andrew Huberman and Jordan Peterson have been instrumental in encouraging society to wake up to the importance of open honest debate and the necessity of values in society. They are also becoming increasingly influential and powerful voices in conversations about religion and Christianity. Through their unique perspectives and experiences, they have sparked important conversations that challenge the status quo, encouraging their fans and followers to engage with spirituality in new and exciting ways.
The title of this video was inspired by an essay written by Zak Stein called A War Broke Out in Heaven
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Guys, guys, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Rare to come across so much coherence.
Jeff, you mentioned how the fire element is extinguished by the water element naturally early in the discussion. It made me think of an example of how UNnaturally the elements interact when a lithium based fire is enlivened by water. So much so, firefighting scrambles to respond under this new construct.
Thanks 8:32. Did I remember wrong or have you changed your name :)
@@TheExceptionalState I stayed 8:32, TH-cam changed it for me back to a previous username and threw in some extra numbers while they were at it. Go figure 😏
Thank you both for a delightful conversation and will blame Jeff on this one but he turned me onto Jordan Hall and right before I watched this video I watched a conversation with Jordan Hall with Guy Sengstock called "Faith in & as relation / Jordan Hall" and the gist of the conversation is about redefining the word faith and around the and at the 22:22 mark Jordan says "there's something diagnostical there well just just that sense of that sense of relaxing into something finding yourself participating at this this deep phenomenological layer approaching reality as this not that you can see through it it's actually kind of invisible in some sense but it's reachable and then that reaching discloses more and that disclosure you're already inside of right in some sense so it's it's this kind of bottom up top down Sweet Spot in a way um but kind of a sense of like it see it seems like as as the invisible right but most intimate reality that's disclosing itself right as it discloses itself it also discloses you in some sense." He is bringing a new perspective that faith is more of a relational terms with God and that in the timing of your self awareness or the particular iteration of oneself at that moment of time can only grasp what is God and you have faith that you will come into a better understanding over time. I found that perspective to give new meaning to blind faith because we are blind to the reality now but with a relationship we can build our understanding and see the invisible. th-cam.com/video/NHDwIKbM3N8/w-d-xo.html
Thank you James. Have you seen Jordan's two conversations surrounding his recent conversion to Christianity with John Vervaeke recently?
@@jeffbarney3584 I haven't but will put it on the to do list.
"God" is a word that identifies what has no identity.
How relatable is a god with no identity? How could humans engage it?
I believe ineffable is another of saying the same thing.
Interesting statement.
from the essay:
It is hard to know what to say when history is unfolding in real time. Events are pressing in upon us - welcome to the unbearable intimacy of planetary catastrophe.
I have never been through a civilisation-wide transformation before, and neither have you; we are in uncharted waters together. There is a war taking place in heaven concerning the soul of humanity, and it will be fought in each person’s heart, every day, without rest, and into the foreseeable future. I have no choice but to sound metaphysical and religious, because this is where the psyche goes when it enters the liminal.
We are being shaped by vast and complex forces into becoming new kinds of people.
For centuries we have known this war in heaven was playing out. The story was that God had stepped back to let the archetypal energies of humanity reign alone. Usually the order of the world keeps the heavens in their place, as the deeper realities of life are put into the background by the normalcy of routine. But when the world-order fractures and stands poised for major transformation, angels and demons are set to play in a time between worlds, and the match will soon be decided. Every choice takes sides. Everyone is at war with an “invisible enemy” who eats at the root of the self.
This war is about the future of human nature. We are being shaped by vast and complex forces into becoming new kinds of people. We are in a situation to choose between profoundly differing images of ourselves-as gods of generosity, knowledge, and care, or as devils of greed, ignorance, and spite. The war in heaven rages in the silence of quarantine. Alone together, with imaginations tortured by uncertainty, we must remake ourselves as spiritual, scientific, and ethical beings.
Seems right on and well placed in time.
With all respect Francis Collins is NOT on the same side of history as these wonderful gentlemen your discussing here. These men have been a blessing to humanity and Collins has been a curse
Totally agree regarding Collins and his behaviour during the pandementia.! I think he was playing for the other side :(
His name happened to be on the list in the article
Guys like Rogan, Jordan, and Bret Weinstein have been a blessing to humanity, esp during Covid. The media is a scourge, one of the greatest manifestations of evil on the planet - b/c of how subtle and effective their deception and manipulation tactics are. People are lied to and brainwashed, and don't even realize it. And that does not exclude very intelligent people in many cases. The "mass psychosis" is how people get caught up in evil agendas like what happened in Nazi Germany, and people wonder "how could that happen"? Covid had something like a 99.8 percent survival rate with an average age of death near 80, and yet humanity allowed itself to be duped and held hostage by an 80 year old little elf weasel named Fauci for two and a half years. As Mark Twain said, it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
would be nice to have 'god' defined first.
The word "god" should be replaced with the word "energy". No caps.
What is energy in your estimation? Is there agency to it? Or does agency depend on what "it" is grounded in or flows through?
@@jeffbarney3584 When I was in school, energy was the ability to do work. That's pretty vague. The Jewish believe that the universe is made of numbers and letters. I agree: information, concepts. I really like your summation that we humans are informed by "higher beings", and yes, "lower beings" (anthropomorphized) that we can cause to emanate by thinking about them. Our similar thought forms cause these adjacent realms to vibrate within us. Reaching for answers is how we initiate the emanation of a higher source. In the Gospel of Thomas, the question arises in a few of the sayings, what is the kingdom? Jesus says: "Movement and rest." There is this phenomenon that he talks about called "being in the Midst, which is nothing." I take that to mean that there is a place or space where information can enter, and that nothingness receives it. We (mind) time travels in a sea of information. We stretch, as it were, and sometimes we change. The reason that we can move at all is because there is a thing called frequency relationship. It involves time, energy, frequency, vibration (Tesla). Those are a few of my thoughts.
@@christineveazey3705 Thank you! I love this contribution. I'm gonna give it some thought and respond later.
@@christineveazey3705 For me a key to a door to the mysteries has become newly available. The key is being(s). Energy is the ability to do work. It is being that has ability and that does work. We are participants in the metamorphosing, and anthropomorphizing of beings and perhaps technologically providing bodies for incarnating beings and we are participating on our own self creation (in all the ways perhaps?) I love this image from the Thomas Gospel. Thank you. Agents move and agents rest.