This is so articulated well. “You want to take care of your team, then that’s done by uplifting or improving the organization you are in.” It implies, you don’t need to be a therapist to be a leader. You don’t need to get involved in the emotions and thoughts of your team, only their purpose with respect to the organization. It may also imply that the organization is infallible, but first take care of your team because if the organization axes a team member, then you help them up and leave the organization. But keep your team members close is level one task.
The example Leif said they used in the Teams... Where the losing boat crew captain was switched with the winning boat crew captain and the losers started becoming winners is one of the best examples, imo of course...
More I get to know Jocko through this podcast,the more I understand how important is to control one's ego to get to a position where I can influence more people and get more done. Almost rewiring myself in the head so that I can rewire some other guys,later on.
As a former soldier (member of a team), to a section commander (leading a team) to CEO of my own company (leading a civilian team), there are many variables on this topic. As a leader, if you have the opportunity to hand pick your team, pick based on alignment to your values and your mission, NOT skills. Skills can be taught, purpose can not. If you have a team of shit bags, that you didn't get to choose, the balls in your court to bring them up to speed. To train, mentor and lead them. I personally looked for the best within the team, worked more with them than anyone else, and then used them to help train the others (under guidance).
In management there's the Peter principle (shamelessly quoting Wikipedia here): The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at a job will earn promotion to a more senior position which requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, he or she will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, he or she will be promoted again, and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which he or she is incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at that final level (termed "Final Placement" or "Peter's Plateau"). This outcome is inevitable, given enough time and assuming that there are enough positions in the hierarchy to which competent employees may be promoted. This happened to me too so I took a step down back to my field of competence and now I'm writing a research paper which also covers that issue to help the bosses to not make that mistake again.
Probably depends on the team size. In this case, talking about platoons, yeah, it’s definitely possible to statistically end up with a bunch of duds. That’s why I actually prefer Napoleon’s version of the quote. “There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels”. Once you start getting into the high hundreds or low thousands, it’s a lot less credible to blame the grunts than the boss
Im in a leadership role, so yes i definitely agree. I never got to choose my team, there a definitely bad teams out there. The thing i did was observe and rearrange people to positions better suited for them and the team overall so the team is most efficient
So true!. Anyone with life experience, be it in the Military or Civilian, has seen the difference a boss/ leader can make. They can have the Exact same people, equipment and goals and the results can be VERY different.
I admittedly got in a heated debate yesterday with a group of my friends, they believe my “self help guru” and “mindset” are intrusive, pushy, extra, and I let my ego get in the way, I defended myself and the ways I preach. I know in principle what to do, but how do I change my actions to fit, when I see somebody say for example “I could workout today because” , I call it out. How do I learn to accept and understand some people genuinely don’t want the answer.
Remember what they say about casting pearls around swine? If someone asks, then offer begrudging help. In this sense, taking your ownership is about serving YOUR interests first. Clean up your own yard before you bitch about my bagonias... right? The only thing "calling out" generally does is make a big scene out of a small thing. In some cases (overt racial disparity, for instance) it's certainly called for... BUT reserve that for someone being a complete turd... and make an example of dressing him/her/them down. It should be rare in most folks' lives... Then concentrate on taking what's useful of this (and others') podcast a part of your work-ethic and over-all effort. Let failure and the frustrations that come with it become "the other guys' problems"... OR (TL;DR) "Fuck 'em! Their legs ain't broke! They can do the leg work for their own damn research!" ;o)
The daughters video part gave me pause / thought as I have seen this happen from time to time throughout my employment. This can also effect the other video staff as they may not get treated the same and animosity can happen also. ect...
I really appreciate the insight into showing the mission really means taking care of your people. However, an organization doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there are more organizations out there. If a business fails, as an individual, you would just go to the next business rather than attempt to be that employee who will bring the organization in good standing. So if the mission fails, I take care of self and leave the organization. It’s a mindset of most employees. They see work as a paycheck rather than their business.
Sun Tzu said that “Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before the defeat” My question is what is the difference between tactics and strategy? Could you explain this to me? Please sir.
Tactics is what happens on the Battlefield. Strong decision making when it comes to give orders to men on the field i.e: changing formations which SIDE to attack and when to. Strategy is on political SIDE of war. I.e: we are going to attack this place due to its bountiful reaources; if we support this nation this momment, they're be on our side and support our insterests.
It's fairly simple... Tactics are the short term decisions made... usually in the sense of "boots on the ground" level thinking. There's already been the briefings, recon's, information... and then you're in the field, where the tides of battle and the directions of forces can shift in a heartbeat... so tactical calls have to be made in the moment. From the daily cycles of force marching to setting camp times and guard watches, since one camp to the next bivouac will change format regularly... Charging into small villages with a shock-and-awe style sweep and clear can be a call made "on the spot" (so tactical)... Strategy is the over-view, the long term method to an ends. This is where the pre-war recon' counts, and you can decide "Northern route or Southern route?" as you're preparing to drive an army across a continent, taking up as much territory at the least cost you can get away with... This is where you decide whether you should go straight for an empire's capital city with a "Cut the head off and the serpent will die" over-all method... OR will you take the time to lay waste to the first couple of cities, sacrificing them outright, and use the flow of reputation to intimidate a withdrawal while besieging other cities in a "war of attrition" strategy... ;o)
Jocko is speaking about platoon element tactics. That is carried out by troop leading procedures. Strategy is based on who is planning. As a platoon sergeant it would seem tactical to have a 3-5 second rush (tactical) on an element in order to secure a control point that allows for easy access to a bridge (Strategy). Access to bridge means faster logistics to battalion. That is why everyone responded so vaguely with definitions. Chess can explain tactics versus strategy as well.
Thank you all for the explanations, points of view. If i understand correctly, strategy is the long term goal, and tactics is how you achieve it. Or in other words, like a goal and the road towards it. In my experience, there is no road without a goal, and equally no goal without the road towards it. My hypothesis and perception is that the "way" in which one does something is more important than "what" on does. For what does it mean to do something if one does not know how he does it. Then the road becomes the goal and the goal becomes the road.
Very naive to think teams can't be infiltrated by opposition to be made bad from within even making good leaders look bad. This scenario sounds very familiar in fact, if you're paying attention.
Good evening Jocko and Echo. Speaking of teams, you guys would make a good tag team and I, Vincent Kennedy McMahon could also use some help taking the WWE in a different direction. Expect a call from my people soon.
Jocko, here is a question for you. I was in a wrong place at a wrong time and got beat up. I was too cocky to just move away. I trained some martial arts and if I was sober, I would probably be able to defend myself. But I had some kind of freeze, I could not move, I had tunnel vision and walked away with black eye, half my face slightly swolen and bruised leg. I fully accept it was mostly my fault for letting my ego get the better of me, but it still hurts, not only physically but also mentally. What should I do now?
@@antoinepaine8097 I'm more of a striker. My point is that I got complete freeze and tunnel vision. I know how to fight, last time someone threatened me I knocked him out with one punch
The Chinese and North Korean armies didn't actually have as many guys in the Korean War as people think, as they only outnumbered the UN/NATO troops by 2 to 1 at the most. Something like 900k UN/NATO troops against 1.7-1.8 million NKA/PLA troops.
What if the team is a bunch of lazy, crybaby, twelve year olds who don’t want to work. Also, you can’t get them to stop being drama queens and get them to work because they are union and they don’t care what you say, because the leader is not union. This is a serious question. My wife is in this position and she is also in a male dominated industry. And her boss, who is not at the same location, doesn’t want to hear it and blames her for low moral. She is stuck and at the point of finding a different job.
Sun Tzu had described similar thing. The story goes somewhat like this - he made a bet with the king that he can make soldiers out of his concubines. The king was not to interfere, Sun Tzu (or some other guy - does not matter) had a free reign in this regard. So he gathered all the concubines and started to train them some movements, like march forward, turn etc. Of course they did not listen, just laughed at him. So he took one of them (king's favourite actually) and executed her. From now on, all other concubines would follow the orders without hesitation. Why did he do that? 1. to show that such behaviour will not be tolerated 2. because the king's favourite was in a position of leadership among the others. Example goes from above. It translates easily to your wife's situation - she should find out who is the "apha" among her workers and make him responsible for reporting to her. Let him be her right hand. If nothing changes - fire his ass. Next in line should be more willing to co-operate
@Damian Piekut For a brief moment I thought you were advocating execution of the lazy crybabies. I was a bit disappointed you mellowed it down to firing ;)
I m sorry but dont agree with this statement, I personally think this statement can be true in cases where the leader is the last leader to take decision.
Excuses and old logic (I don’t agree). When troops are instructed to turn on their civilians, that shows the soldiers are bad too. Dictatorships are born that way; The troops know what they are doing. That shows a line has been crossed.
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Now, if we draw a parallel with da current "leaders" in the White House, the only sad thing would be that you had to make this video! *A*
This is so articulated well. “You want to take care of your team, then that’s done by uplifting or improving the organization you are in.” It implies, you don’t need to be a therapist to be a leader. You don’t need to get involved in the emotions and thoughts of your team, only their purpose with respect to the organization. It may also imply that the organization is infallible, but first take care of your team because if the organization axes a team member, then you help them up and leave the organization. But keep your team members close is level one task.
''There are no bad regiments; only bad colonels.''
-Napoleon
“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.”
-Epictetus
When Jockos grandfather was in trenches, he told nixon to get some kills.
Jocko won a staring contest with the sun
😂
wrong...he won a staring contest with Chuck Norris
I once heard that Jocko kicked a black hole's ass
The example Leif said they used in the Teams...
Where the losing boat crew captain was switched with the winning boat crew captain and the losers started becoming winners is one of the best examples, imo of course...
My favourite part of that chapter was the "Smurf Crew"
More I get to know Jocko through this podcast,the more I understand how important is to control one's ego to get to a position where I can influence more people and get more done. Almost rewiring myself in the head so that I can rewire some other guys,later on.
A leader must be A FEW steps ahead, not too far that people can’t follow HIS FOOTSTEPS and not too slow that FOLLOWERS TRIP HIM..👍🏽
As a former soldier (member of a team), to a section commander (leading a team) to CEO of my own company (leading a civilian team), there are many variables on this topic.
As a leader, if you have the opportunity to hand pick your team, pick based on alignment to your values and your mission, NOT skills. Skills can be taught, purpose can not.
If you have a team of shit bags, that you didn't get to choose, the balls in your court to bring them up to speed. To train, mentor and lead them. I personally looked for the best within the team, worked more with them than anyone else, and then used them to help train the others (under guidance).
Thank you for sharing your wisdom
In management there's the Peter principle (shamelessly quoting Wikipedia here):
The Peter principle states that a person who is competent at a job will earn promotion to a more senior position which requires different skills. If the promoted person lacks the skills required for the new role, he or she will be incompetent at the new level, and will not be promoted again. If the person is competent in the new role, he or she will be promoted again, and will continue to be promoted until reaching a level at which he or she is incompetent. Being incompetent, the individual will not qualify for promotion again, and so will remain stuck at that final level (termed "Final Placement" or "Peter's Plateau"). This outcome is inevitable, given enough time and assuming that there are enough positions in the hierarchy to which competent employees may be promoted.
This happened to me too so I took a step down back to my field of competence and now I'm writing a research paper which also covers that issue to help the bosses to not make that mistake again.
Yep, everything is a little bit shit, because everyone involved gets promoted to their level of incompetence. I kinda hate the way that works. ;o)
Fascinating
BIG FACTS! We are all entitled to good leadership, but if we don’t have it, we have to suffer through and look for guidance elsewhere.
Just read this part in Extreme Ownership.
Long time no see, Eddie!!! Let me know if you wanna get drunk on stage in the ring. You can get really smashed hahahaha
I love the hypotheticals where Echo gets fired and he nervously laughs
from uganda ....jocko podcast forever
Good evening echo
Good evening.
Exactly. I have this way of thinking in anything I do.
Awesome advice again from a man who has achievements and success in some damned tough times!! Semper Fi!!
Jocko you are the man for everything i go thru its like your next video almost helps me so directly man lol i love your podcast man tha kx!!!💯💯
I just read your book Leadership Strategy and Tactics. It was enlightening. I agree, good leadership leads to victory.
Wisdom comes with experience ... its hard to put yourself in shoes you've never been in
The Men, the Mission and Me. “Bad” teams are essentially “bad” because of the leader. The leader has ownership; end of discussion!
I've seen too many bad leaders in the Army. 'Do what I say not what I do' anthology.
I wish I had read his book when I was active duty
In elementary school, jocko didn’t wait for the school bus. The school bus waited for him.
I disagree, he would have been awake before the bus driver. He would be at the bus stop doing pull ups on the mail box
@@raidthanfl 🤔 °
... while eating the bus drivers lunch~ ...
Jocko would be at school doing PT while the bus was waiting for him at home.
This reminded me of the movie Thin Red Line.
Young jocko almost at 1million subs, goals
There are plenty of bad teams and plenty of leaders stuck with them.
Probably depends on the team size. In this case, talking about platoons, yeah, it’s definitely possible to statistically end up with a bunch of duds. That’s why I actually prefer Napoleon’s version of the quote. “There are no bad regiments, only bad colonels”. Once you start getting into the high hundreds or low thousands, it’s a lot less credible to blame the grunts than the boss
Im in a leadership role, so yes i definitely agree. I never got to choose my team, there a definitely bad teams out there. The thing i did was observe and rearrange people to positions better suited for them and the team overall so the team is most efficient
Part of leadership is knowing when you need to cut someone from the team
Good leaders can whip a bad team into a good one
Jocko is the new Chuck Norris, action film coming soon!
woah another podcast where Jocko gets to say "in too sexy for my shirt. I'm too sexy for my guest. too sexy it hurts"
No bad listeners- only bad podcasters
My testosterone levels just skyrocketed
So true!. Anyone with life experience, be it in the Military or Civilian, has seen the difference a boss/ leader can make. They can have the Exact same people, equipment and goals and the results can be VERY different.
Sounds like marine lancecorperals acting squarely, first sergeants usually start stepping on key leaders
I admittedly got in a heated debate yesterday with a group of my friends, they believe my “self help guru” and “mindset” are intrusive, pushy, extra, and I let my ego get in the way, I defended myself and the ways I preach. I know in principle what to do, but how do I change my actions to fit, when I see somebody say for example “I could workout today because” , I call it out. How do I learn to accept and understand some people genuinely don’t want the answer.
Remember what they say about casting pearls around swine?
If someone asks, then offer begrudging help. In this sense, taking your ownership is about serving YOUR interests first. Clean up your own yard before you bitch about my bagonias... right?
The only thing "calling out" generally does is make a big scene out of a small thing. In some cases (overt racial disparity, for instance) it's certainly called for... BUT reserve that for someone being a complete turd... and make an example of dressing him/her/them down. It should be rare in most folks' lives...
Then concentrate on taking what's useful of this (and others') podcast a part of your work-ethic and over-all effort. Let failure and the frustrations that come with it become "the other guys' problems"...
OR (TL;DR) "Fuck 'em! Their legs ain't broke! They can do the leg work for their own damn research!" ;o)
The daughters video part gave me pause / thought as I have seen this happen from time to time throughout my employment. This can also effect the other video staff as they may not get treated the same and animosity can happen also. ect...
Msg to Jocko, I'm sure you've heard and been asked this before, but have you ever thought of running for president?
I can think of some route clearance missions that were not the best for our people.
Got some
These guys make me want to run through brick walls head first (in the best way)
Lol what's the best way to do that
I really appreciate the insight into showing the mission really means taking care of your people. However, an organization doesn’t exist in a vacuum, there are more organizations out there. If a business fails, as an individual, you would just go to the next business rather than attempt to be that employee who will bring the organization in good standing. So if the mission fails, I take care of self and leave the organization. It’s a mindset of most employees. They see work as a paycheck rather than their business.
Sun Tzu said that “Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before the defeat”
My question is what is the difference between tactics and strategy? Could you explain this to me?
Please sir.
Tactics is what happens on the Battlefield. Strong decision making when it comes to give orders to men on the field i.e: changing formations which SIDE to attack and when to. Strategy is on political SIDE of war. I.e: we are going to attack this place due to its bountiful reaources; if we support this nation this momment, they're be on our side and support our insterests.
It's fairly simple...
Tactics are the short term decisions made... usually in the sense of "boots on the ground" level thinking. There's already been the briefings, recon's, information... and then you're in the field, where the tides of battle and the directions of forces can shift in a heartbeat... so tactical calls have to be made in the moment. From the daily cycles of force marching to setting camp times and guard watches, since one camp to the next bivouac will change format regularly... Charging into small villages with a shock-and-awe style sweep and clear can be a call made "on the spot" (so tactical)...
Strategy is the over-view, the long term method to an ends. This is where the pre-war recon' counts, and you can decide "Northern route or Southern route?" as you're preparing to drive an army across a continent, taking up as much territory at the least cost you can get away with... This is where you decide whether you should go straight for an empire's capital city with a "Cut the head off and the serpent will die" over-all method... OR will you take the time to lay waste to the first couple of cities, sacrificing them outright, and use the flow of reputation to intimidate a withdrawal while besieging other cities in a "war of attrition" strategy... ;o)
Jocko is speaking about platoon element tactics. That is carried out by troop leading procedures. Strategy is based on who is planning. As a platoon sergeant it would seem tactical to have a 3-5 second rush (tactical) on an element in order to secure a control point that allows for easy access to a bridge (Strategy). Access to bridge means faster logistics to battalion. That is why everyone responded so vaguely with definitions. Chess can explain tactics versus strategy as well.
Thank you all for the explanations, points of view. If i understand correctly, strategy is the long term goal, and tactics is how you achieve it. Or in other words, like a goal and the road towards it. In my experience, there is no road without a goal, and equally no goal without the road towards it. My hypothesis and perception is that the "way" in which one does something is more important than "what" on does. For what does it mean to do something if one does not know how he does it. Then the road becomes the goal and the goal becomes the road.
Chuck Norris checks for Jock under his bed every night
Jocko’s the only man to have fought Chuck Norris and lived to tell about it.
The older I get the more this is true
You could win the presidency if you wanted the job there is no competition for someone like you jocko 2024
True
Very naive to think teams can't be infiltrated by opposition to be made bad from within even making good leaders look bad. This scenario sounds very familiar in fact, if you're paying attention.
No floating head Jocko? Now I'll I care about is floating head jocko
That sounds like the kind of new thing we need in the WWE.
Dumb people always look for dumb things
Dwayne Johnson and Lieutenant Commander John «Jocko» Willink for the Independent presidential race 2020.
Good evening Jocko and Echo. Speaking of teams, you guys would make a good tag team and I, Vincent Kennedy McMahon could also use some help taking the WWE in a different direction. Expect a call from my people soon.
Jocko isn't taking ownership of the mutiny, people.
You heard it here first!
Can i use this speech on my video sir ?
Jocko, here is a question for you.
I was in a wrong place at a wrong time and got beat up. I was too cocky to just move away. I trained some martial arts and if I was sober, I would probably be able to defend myself.
But I had some kind of freeze, I could not move, I had tunnel vision and walked away with black eye, half my face slightly swolen and bruised leg.
I fully accept it was mostly my fault for letting my ego get the better of me, but it still hurts, not only physically but also mentally. What should I do now?
Idk if jocko will answer but train or keep training BJJ if/when it next happens ? :)
@@antoinepaine8097 I'm more of a striker. My point is that I got complete freeze and tunnel vision. I know how to fight, last time someone threatened me I knocked him out with one punch
Damian Piekut Train Aikido, if possible with Steven Seagel. You will be able to twirl your attackers with your index finger.
😳
Lol why is he always holding a bunch of papers if he never reads? Good tactical skills.
He does read if you ever heard the podcasts, these are snippets of the answering questions part
Felt like Jocke didn’t take extreme ownership of this described situation...
This is proof one trains animals and instructs People.The federal militia has a large stockyard of these beasts.
6:49: There's not unlimited guys.
*laughs in Chinese and North Korean*
The Chinese and North Korean armies didn't actually have as many guys in the Korean War as people think, as they only outnumbered the UN/NATO troops by 2 to 1 at the most. Something like 900k UN/NATO troops against 1.7-1.8 million NKA/PLA troops.
Thanos Willink The Jock God!!!!!
Sounds like we have a wrestler name for him already. Fantastic.
My boss is disrespectful and conniving. No one trusts her and it’s a miserable place to work. Her superiors let her get away with b.s. I blame THEM.
I blame YOU for not looking for another job. Take leadership in YOUR life. You don't owe any boss or company anything. Move on from this job.
👍🏻👍🏻
I would like Jocko to play league of legends, he would tilt out of his mind in bronze ROFL
Did Jocko just deflect off himself to EC? /:) ..hmmmmmmmmmm was that taking ownership lol
I consider God a leader! If his followers messed up, who's fault is that? 😇
🦗 good thought~ 🤔 °
the 'pebble' ... is yours~
These guys are so chadly
What if the team is a bunch of lazy, crybaby, twelve year olds who don’t want to work. Also, you can’t get them to stop being drama queens and get them to work because they are union and they don’t care what you say, because the leader is not union. This is a serious question. My wife is in this position and she is also in a male dominated industry. And her boss, who is not at the same location, doesn’t want to hear it and blames her for low moral. She is stuck and at the point of finding a different job.
Sun Tzu had described similar thing. The story goes somewhat like this - he made a bet with the king that he can make soldiers out of his concubines. The king was not to interfere, Sun Tzu (or some other guy - does not matter) had a free reign in this regard. So he gathered all the concubines and started to train them some movements, like march forward, turn etc. Of course they did not listen, just laughed at him. So he took one of them (king's favourite actually) and executed her. From now on, all other concubines would follow the orders without hesitation.
Why did he do that?
1. to show that such behaviour will not be tolerated
2. because the king's favourite was in a position of leadership among the others. Example goes from above.
It translates easily to your wife's situation - she should find out who is the "apha" among her workers and make him responsible for reporting to her. Let him be her right hand. If nothing changes - fire his ass. Next in line should be more willing to co-operate
@Damian Piekut For a brief moment I thought you were advocating execution of the lazy crybabies. I was a bit disappointed you mellowed it down to firing ;)
Jocko is my Buddha #JockoBuddha
You should have joined the military; You would of had many buddhas.
Jocko looks exactly like Bevis from bevis and buthead...thats scary? really?
I m sorry but dont agree with this statement, I personally think this statement can be true in cases where the leader is the last leader to take decision.
First
Excuses and old logic (I don’t agree). When troops are instructed to turn on their civilians, that shows the soldiers are bad too. Dictatorships are born that way; The troops know what they are doing. That shows a line has been crossed.
Now, if we draw a parallel with da current "leaders" in the White House, the only sad thing would be that you had to make this video!
*A*