Overwatch: Who Is Better? McCree Vs. Soldier
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- The current meta in overwatch is seeing a lot of soldier and tanks but a lot of people are wondering, why not McCree? In this guide we go through the reasons you should pick either hero as well as talk about their viability. Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed!
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Which one is better depends on one simple thing...
.. What time of day it is
Inters3ct Gaming its high noon
nice meme
Thanks m8
3:22 pm
It's nigh hoon
soldier, insane damage with low skill ceiling, a sprint, an aoe heal that can also be used to sustain. no skill 76.
Exactly finally someone understands it's so annoying
jared morales yea he needs a nerf or something super basic hero can han his team and sprint? McCree needs a buff out soldier needs a nerf.
Red Guy didn't even mention the fact that his ult is way better and damn near broken combined with ana
I wouldn't say low skill ceiling, the skill ceiling is pretty average. I think you meant Soldier has a low skill curve. Unless of course you're comparing him to McCree with a really high skill curve and ceiling
Low skill ceiling? Unless you are hitting every headshot with every bullet, either bursting it at long range and use full auto at close range, as well as predicting, tracking, and hitting every helix rocket on difficult targets such as Tracer, there is considerable room for improvement.
Soldier has a low skill floor, which means that he is easy to pick up.
mccree is better than soldier if mccree is hitting every shot
hanzo is better than mccree if hanzo is hitting every shot
thus hanzo is clearly the superior DPS so i don't even know why you guys made this video
***** dem bronze players are one step ahead of the meta already
Destiny player, respect.
Niko2Two - why hello there fellow guardian, how goes your journey to defend the city?
haven't played since October because current PvP meta isn't to great, I have a average montage on my channel here if you want to check it out
The Speaker hanzo isnt a hitscan hero
I mean I'll play soldier in comp but personal preference=McCree
Same, i feel forced off mccree when i really want to play him
Ewan Ballantyne I feel you, my teammates always borderline force me to get off Mccree now, fuckin crazy
Deep Karambit AGREE. McCree kills are much more satisfying than soldier's.
And to think, that it was the exact opposite Pre-Solider Buff....
truer words have never been spoken
I dont think an easy hero like soldier should be this good
Cronken Neither do i. But unfortunetly that's just what itbis right now.
I don't think a hero this good should be this easy*
Make soldier require skill and good instead of making him weak and easy
I agree. I think all characters deserve to at least have the potential to be good. So if we are looking at a nerf, which it looks like we are, then I choose more skill rather than less payoff.
Jian Ling Lim well said
+Jian Ling Lim I'd normally agree with you but with Soldier specifically the goal always seemed to be accessibility first, so unfortunately I think the best we can hope for is "pretty good but easy".
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Or
Clint Eastwood vs XxcodproX6969xX
Jake Guldin Thing is tho
Both can deal with the Pharah
Bazza's gone caw caw now. He doesn't use soldier that much anymore RIP
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I really do think soldier is just too good right now. He's faster than a Lucio with speed boost, has great damage, an aimbot ultimate & really quick healing. They buffed his damage too much, they should have found a middle ground
Nix I don't think 3+ is too much....
Yousef Yousef Yeah +3 doesn't sound like a lot but it is. That's an extra 3 damage on every bullet in his 25 clip
Still,that can be said for a +2 or a +1,instead of buffing the dmg,they should revert it to 17 and instead buff his RPM and make his gun more accurate
they didn't know how much to buff, so they buffed a little too much, but it will take this game at least one year more to get every character nearly balanced, and that is not including new heroes
They need to nerf everything except the primary fire - sprinting, helix rockets and heal thing.
Soldier buff is not healthy to the game,he's a must pick which make the game a bit repetitive.additionally he does not promote skill at least mcree and other heros always used to be that if you have the skill you be good. with soldier most of the people are good enough to kill most heroes.they made a big mistake with thet buff and they need to reverse it fast before people lose their skill with other DPS characters
LazyPanda no, he's good where he is at. I never play him but i have no problems playing against them either. I'm still picking McCree over Soldier for pure dps. If they want a change, nerf the Helix rockets to 80 dmg, so his burst dmg is less effective.
If they do, then Soldier will never, ever be seen again at high level play like he was when Ana got released. Soldier: 76 is supposed to be the main damage dealer unlike McCree who is designed to be this 1v1 duelist specialist DPS. If they want to nerf anything while keeping McCree from stepping in his role like last time, then lowering the damage on Helix Rocket is the best option or just reverting him back to his launched state where he didn't have that obnoxious spread recovery delay.
Turning his damage back to 17 without fixing his spread recovery will not only bring him back to >5% usage in high level play yet again, but also leave Tanks completely unchecked as Soldier's weapon is the only good, reliable damage against Tanks and barriers.
Do you mind if i ask you what rank are you? (and be honest)? cause in high rank game soldier is next to god the only counter to him is roadhog ,and i fell bad for the roadhog if he miss his hook on him .
LazyPanda He's the only check to Tank heavy comps. You take away his power without addressing how to make triple or quad Tank comps not be the most effective tactic available and we're gonna see Tanks run without anything stopping them.
i keep hearing from you the three or quad tank issue,but that has NOTHING to do with soldier that's a all different issue which is called ANA grande super heal which im willing to pay good money will be nerfed in 2 months top
Soldier is clearly better, but McCree is cooler. It doesn't get more badass than a cigar smoking cybernetic cowboy.
Nah, it's better being a grumpy down-and-out post-nostaligic dog.
DevoDeLono that's the point, 76 doesn't need to advertise himself, he get's the job done while battling his internal misery.
Buxtonnes EDGY
the grimmaceSpace + Accurate.
Rizz3n i love mccree and soldier mccree is a trditional cowboy that every boy wants to be and soldier is basically Captain America and Batman combined together
To me soldiers buff doesnt make sense. McCree is arguably more difficult hero to learn. To me McCree should be more rewarding than any easier DPS hero.
SvanfortS Agreed as fuck.
SvanfortS Uh, he still is. McCree can out DPS Soldier but it requires good aim.
BlownMacTruck You still need to be relatively close to your opponents as McCree while Soldier can kill across the map for no reason
ImaKeNoVids Not really. McCree has damage falloff while Soldier has bullet spread, which is very severe after 3 shots. In order to snipe someone with Soldier you have to fire very slowly to constantly reset the spread, and if that person across the map isn't moving after getting hit that many times, they deserve to die.
McCree could two shot someone across the map before his falloff nerf. That was deservedly fixed and should never come back.
+ImaKeNoVids that's not true at all, Soldier has ridiculous spread after his 3rd shot, and even bursting only gives him accuracy back for 1 bullet. If you got killed from across the map, it's because the Soldier had good aim and fire control, and you were standing out in the open.
PLEASE JUST REDUCE MCCREE DAMAGE FALL OFF OR SOMETHING I JUST WANT MCCREE TO STILL BE META PLEASE
Minxcat XD soldier meta is bs, he is so easy to play and overall boring hero imo.
Or they could bring back the fan the hammer damage so he's a new tank buster we need more because of how good the are
^ This
I remember that week when mccree had like no fall off and he could out snipe widows...the good old days
Minxcat XD Er is there something preventing you from playing him?
Soldier doesn't need a nerf, McCree just needs a buff. *kappa* Also un-nerf Genji. *kappa*
August Celine III finally a user who has the same mind as i do
August Celine III twitch emote in youtube LUL
member when everyone was complaining about mccree? I member. wasn't he the first to he nerfed after release? soldier def need a nerf, his skill cap is too low
They just need to increase the range of McCree's damage so it doesn't drop off as fast. Genji is fine where he is. Sombra could use a buff though, her gun's spread is a little too much imo.
+thekillers1stfan genji sucks in this triple tank meta.
Nerf Soldier. Definitely.
Chris Abney only change they should make is helix rocket dmg to 80, then they're almost on par (McCree and Soldier 76) nerfing anything else and he'll be way way WAY less useful and never seen again. I personally have no problem with him but i understand people that do.
It isn't very fun being melted in 2 seconds
+TheHobbitMonster and it needs to be undone. It was overzealous and didnt get tested on PTR long enough for anyone to realize how much of a buff it was.
Chris Abney overall Mccree still destroys Soldier
Dont nerf soldier, competitive would be land of the tanks if they nerf a DPS now
Nerfing again soldier would make tanks more stronger than they are. So buff the other dps better
lol one more dps buff would destroy the point of Reinhardt's shield.
AceMaximum rein will always be the must pick tank in overwatch cause he is the only main tank(d.va can play main tank but she can't stick to it)
AceMaximum wait, whats a reinhardt shield, at this point they dont exist anymore because they get shredded as they go up lmao
they only buffs tanks. Dps are so weak against them right now
Rodrigo Díaz your words are so true, but instead of buffing other dps, ana needs to be nerfed
Hanzo is clearly better than both. There's a reason why he's on every game.
of course hanzo is never second best
TheBlackCloakedMan Symmetra is better
TheBlackCloakedMan Hanzo is a class
Hanzo doesn't have a hitscan weapon, neither he is a frontline battler and can't deal against tanks. How is he better than Soldier and McCree?
This guy gets it.
It sucks that the game is gravitating towards the lower skilled characters
it's more of a pendulum.
soldier's good now, but we'll swing back towards another hero soon.
he is the only viable dpser now, I mean think about it, pros are using him more than mccree which was a must pick
mario landa yep
Yeah, I think Mccree is fine in the damage department. It's his kit that needs another looking at. His ult is honestly awful (that delay after clicking is bullshit), his flashbang can be unreliable, and his roll is mediocre. Remove that ult delay, reduce roll cooldown, and set FTH damage to start at 75 and deal less damage per bullet. That way he can FTH burst the squishes like he's supposed to, but not be a tank buster.
mario landa I see no problem at all. Why let the rich be richer? Why not let everyone have fun?
How I does it do 580 damage per second. Soldier takes like 3-4 seconds to shoot his whole clip then another second to shoot helix rockets.
That number is based on headshots and then Helix Rocket, so technically speaking, he's still correct.
+Tekniik: Soldier does 23 damage per shot. He shoots at 10 shots per second. Headshots do double damage. If 76 hits every headshot it is: 23*2*10 = 460. Now add the Helix Rocket, 120, and... 460 + 120 = 580
C Note soldier deals 20 damage per shot
Daniel Lolz he got a buff
Cockcok Gaming his damage was 17 per shot before and now it is 20 per shot
It makes zero fucking sense that mccree actually takes skill to do the same amount of damage to kill some fucker holding down a button as soldier
Red Guy Except that's not how it works. If you hold down the button Soldier's spread will negate 75% of your shots.
BlownMacTruck stop trying to say soldier is hard. Anybody can pick up soldier and get quad golds
+AAron Black are you a pro player? are you in a pro team?
AAron Black obvious troll is obvious.
McCree is the one who gets to hold down a button. Soldier has to stop firing to keep his accuracy, and even if he does, he doesn't get as much as he used to (only 1 perfect shot per burst now instead of 4).
Pls dont nerf any dps, we dont need 4 tanks
We already have 4 tanks sometimes, because Pros seem to have realized that Zarya is still great. If you nerfed Soldier now, before the tank meta is fixed, we would never see him again.
Maybe they need to make more DPSes viable
well, Genji and tracer are situational picks with a high skill set.... phara is still easily countered by other dps (unless they have a mercy pocket) and sombra is just trash... i'd say they need to change pharas whole kit and buff sombra... a pro genji can still out play anyone, a pro tracer can do the same! and for reaper..... press q.
RideCraftGames just slightly increase Pharah rocket aoe dmg.
I would love it if they just removed Pharah's shift ability and instead allowed her to use her jet pack for much longer with a wider range of motion. They could give her something else on shift to allow her to shield herself while in the air kind of like a zarya bubble, or maybe just give her 50 health in shield so she will have more sustain while in the air.
All "defense" heroes besides Mei and maybe Widow need buffs. They are too situational and/or to unreliable and/or simply too weak.
Defense characters are supposed to be situational, that is why they are considered "defense". They are designed to play a very specific role while defending. That doesn't mean they serve no other purpose but that is how they are supposed to be designed, otherwise they are all just DPS.
I think Soldier is finally in a good place, and where he should be. I think Mcree has seen the nerf bat one too many times, and could use some improvements.
Here's a wild idea, what if they gave his bullets the ability to ricochet? It'd give him some interesting versatility, without being overpowered, and really fit his sharpshooter aesthetic.
I also think his ultimate needs some improvement. He's insanely vulnerable during high noon, and I think it'd be reasonable to change that.
Scott S.
Maybe not make him a giant red circle? Otherwise its really hard to not only find a safe place, but one where LoS is clear to not let enemies run
AxeDoes...Stuff Pick a different skin: problem solved. Now he can be a giant yellow circle!
I do think they should work on rounding out his utility though.
Scott S.
His skin doesnt change his ult circle. Makes him look like a 'High noon sun' during ult
AxeDoes...Stuff Gotcha, I misunderstood you! Very true, no need to light him up like a Christmas tree.
Urazz It's funny, I actually thought about the same changes to his roll. I think that'd be a great change!
McCree and Soldier have two absolutely different roles on team, they shouldn't be compared. McCree is supposed to pick more important targets and Soldier is supposed to be the main DPS, I think that both of them are in the perfect spot balance-wise.
A good McCree is a good pick and a good soldier is a good pick. It all just comes down to preference and who you're better at.
That's why all the hardcore McCree mains and pro players are flocking to soldier over McCree is it?
All the hardcore McCree mains are flocking to Roadhog, not Soldier. If you actually watched tournaments instead of looking at numbered lists once every two weeks, you'd know that. Soldier's usage rate is dropping, and McCree's is actually rising again... but tanks are rising too. We're starting to see Zarya take Soldier's place again in many situations because she isn't countered by Dva, and in fact, still melts Dva mech pretty damn quick. Both of their ults get eaten by Dva, as well, so Zarya still has a more favorable matchup. Dva can 1v1 Soldier even with his heal station.
soldier can escape d va . zarya can't. soldier ult develops faster than zarya. soldier is prime nanoboost candidate.soldier shreds rein shield.
Vid-szhite
Roadhog is being played by all the Reaper players because he is a better Reaper atm. lol
I wonder what a buff to Mcree's roll would do to him, maybe cover more distance and cut the time down from 8-5secs
opcree
Just nerf soldier's damage a tiny bit and he'll be good.
I agree. Not to what it was before, but a bit less than it is now. I think in general people over exaggerate how much of a nerf he needs.
August Celine III if they nerf soldier, the new tank meta would dominate
I think they should nerf 76 , but just a little bit like 2 less bullet damage or so
András Csanád Schmidt But that almost completely destroys the buff he got. 1 more damage, 2 if headshots, is nothing
That's basically the entire buff they gave him... it reduces the number of shots to kill back down to what it was pre-buff. That's actually a net nerf because they also reduced his accuracy in the same patch. I'll tell you what, though, McCree comes out in the Pro meta when teams aren't running 3-4 tanks even now, so if you nerfed Soldier by even 1 damage, he will never be used again. If you did that without fixing the cause of the tank meta, you will see a 4-tank meta with no soldier, not the return of McCree.
I don't think they should nerf his bullet damage. That's what made him really relevant in the first place. But I do feel like they should do something to him or rework McCree in some way to make him more survivable. Because really Soldier can kinda go off on his own for short periods of time, but McCree needs his team to support him. Maybe they could make it so Soldier has a bit less sustain, maybe nerf his fire rate slightly, nerf the damage on his helix rocket a bit because that's really his main finisher/damage dealer. Anything but reverse the buff that made him relevant to begin with.
Or, they could just not touch Soldier and instead try to make McCree more relevant. Something like giving his roll a shorter cooldown so he's more sustainable, or some kind of rework. Maybe swap some of his health for shielding so he has some more sustain. Still keep McCree on a higher technical skill requirement, but make him more relevant to people that have the skill to use him. Because the problem really is that, even if you have the technical skill to use McCree, you're better off picking Soldier and that shouldn't be the case.
if funny how a few weeks ago you said exactly the oposite
froilen13 that's how balance patches work
froilen13 They buffed Soldier...
froilen13 funny how a few weeks ago you were an idiot and still are now.
froilen13 Funny how a few weeks ago Soldier wasn't good.
froilen13 because soldier wasnt good
One rebalance for 76 would make the healing last longer but heal at a reduced tickrate to where it would heal the same amount. An added bonus is team mates have a little more padding time to notice the heal and get within it.
The heal was originally envisioned as a type of support since Morrison is the Commander. Now it's just 76s personal heal and B-A-R field.
I think they should buff all the dps characters so that the tanks aren't so powerful
too me...they shouldnt buff soldier damage but his accuracy instead. As for McCree....change his roll cooldown time to 3 seconds while giving his roll some invincible frames while activating it. The trade off will be that he can only automatic reload his gun after every 3rd roll with a 6 second cooldown after that roll
Yeah it sounds like a great idea but Blizzard are known for keeping their abilities simple and straightforward.I think they should buff Flashbang(reduced cooldown and/or a slightly increased duration).
McCree or Soldier? Fuck those disgusting mainstream meta "heroes"!
It's either Widow or Reaper!
Chavsberry Gaming No, Sombra or Symettra!
That's the spirit!
Chavsberry Gaming did someone say Bastion and Tjorb?
Widow is unironically one of the most powerful heroes right now if you can aim and use her on the right maps. A good Widowmaker on Hollywood attack is crazy effective. You take out a support and any other hero while also continuing to pump damage into the tanks as your team pushes and before you know it you're in the last part of the map where you just switch to whatever DPS you like for the end.
Naaah fam it's all about that dank Hanzo.
5:35 that reaper would have killed me if i was the mccree....
mccree is already extremely strong, soldier is the one that needs to be tuned down some. the 20 damage buff was very minor and he was always this consistent. people wont think for themselves and now hop on the band wagon, he isnt soo much better than he was before. i dont think he was ever too far behind mccree, he has indeed surpassed him now. i think genji and tracer need quality of life buffs and sombra needs something
I don't think that it's Soldier that needs a nerf, I think it's McCree that needs a buff. His abilities' cooldowns need to be shortened by A LOT. Before soldier's buff, barely anyone picked him, but now he's doing the job he was supposed to do originally. McCree just needs a lot more buffs to work better as a hero. His ultimate should definitely be buffed considering how hard it is to use. I personally main soldier 76 (I am not an experienced player so if you have a counter argument for my statement I completely understand) and it is a lot harder to land your shots than you think because you can't just hold the button down the whole time because of the spread so that damage speed YourOverwatch mentioned is actually a whole lot longer the further away you are.
You can tell this dude just hates soldier 76 and wants a massive nerf
Honestly, I was a soldier user for the entire season 2 before it was considered "meta" using him. He was fine the way he was, maybe a slight damage buff would've made him perfect. Now he's autolocked and literally mows down everyone because of how simple he is.
soldier is good where he's at. mcree just needs a buff to his max dmg at range
The crazy thing is if we nerfed soldier right now, the tank meta would be so rampant that I don't even think you would need a dps. 2 supports, 3 tanks, and a flex pick for tank, Sombra, mei,symmetra
I mainly play support, what am I doing here😁
TBVG same xD
Zer0Legends XD
TBVG God damn haha me too, you're right
TBVG what are you doing here get out there and heal the genji
CamTheCoolness 10 😂😂😂 actually I have an upcoming video on that!
Proposed buff to McCree : allow him to store up 2 (or maybe 3) defensive rolls, or consider lowering its cooldown. Either could help upgrade his sustainability without making changes to his damage that would re-introduce the old problems they previously nerfed.
As for soldier, I think they might end up doing one of 3 possible debuffs: 1) slightly downgrading his damage buff to 19 a shot, 2) reduce his clip size 3) increase his spread more
Mcree is so much more fun though lol
McCree's ult puts a huge target on you, and people just hide.
Soldier's ult also puts a decent target on you, but you can run around WHILE doing a bunch of damage.
Im told myself i would bring Torb into the Meta
Im hover at about 2k SR (its not working rn...)
Naqu I hope you get all the reports and blocks you deserve
So none? Thanks man. Appreciate the support of my quest.
Wouldn't do it alone. Get friends to build the comp around you and make a killdozer!
Naqu i saw a torb only gm the other day, so there is that
Jian Ling Lim he plays Torb, I doubt he has friends.
The main factor that exacerbates the difference between Soldier Seventy-dicks and Mcuck, (and this will remain true regardless of the meta) is soldier's self-sustainability. Mcree, to be utilized properly, is far more reliant on having a good team around him, than soldier is, given that he lacks the self heals and mobility. This can make practicing Mcree in quickplay extremely frustrating. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people out there like me, who want to take Mcree into comp (because he can be better than soldier at dealing with a god tier genji or tracer that's single handedly destroying your team) but just won't because we don't feel we're good enough, and we're not likely to ever get good enough because Mcree can be so fucking frustrating to try to practice in qp without a proper team. I can get maybe half a dozen matches in on Mcree before I have to play something else, or else risk punching a hole through my monitor out of the frustration of dying repeatedly.
S76 WR: 50 %, McCree: 57% (50 games played). Made it to diamond with mccree
Husqyarmy niiice dude
i have 420% win rate with soldier but only 1% with mcree, coincidence? i think not ovorwotch pls
Husqyarmy *YOU WANT A MEDAL?*
well i have a 80% win ratio with 76, but im better at mccree and i only have a 50% win ratio with mccree. This game isnt revarding skill anymore, well atleast the highskill heroes, just like mccree. im 3250 s4, just Look in My OverBuff account "Ize#21416 EU pc" i noticed that the k/e ratio with my mccree Is way worse than My 76 k/e
There is a noticeable trend in Overwatch. When the game first came out all high skill cap heroes were at the very least, really good. They have completely changed that, Widow was nerfed and is still garbage even after the minor buffs, Hanzo is better garbage, Genji isn't very good in the current meta, Zarya is worse, even Mccree is seeing less play because the less skill-intensive Soldier:76 is taking his place. The issue is that all heroes must be equally good rather than the high skill high reward heroes being the most dominant. That is why the triple-tank meta exists, it requires little skill to be effective.
mbrown44 ya
Yeah, Blizzard is balancing the game based off what the top 1% of players are doing. I'll bet anything Road hog and Tracer see the next round of nerfs.
I would die if Tracer was nerfed.
I just prefer McCree because he's voiced by Matt Mercer :P
yeah, the McCree nerfs really brought him a way too low. He's supposed to be a glass cannon, it's his job to dunk on squishes and pulverize tanks. But he has too much damage fall off, he has to get too close for kill damage. Newer players might think he's op, but he's honestly not that hard to outspace.
I'm no mccree main, but he just doesn't get enough mileage out of his shots most times.
plus soilder does seem too good when you compare him to other heroes. soilder has one of the best kits in the game.
Me:BAZZAAAAAAA! No but seriously I think soldier is better.
McCree design is fundamentaly flawed. He requires tons of skill and effort to be as effective as other DPS heroes. Soldier is low-risk high-reward hero, while McCree is high-risk low-reward. Sure, McCree can kill stuff IF he gets into close range, IF he manages to land his headshots on moving targets in close range, IF enemy team isn't focusing him and IF he gets heal and shields from tanks and support. McCree is supposed to be good at 1v1, and he really isn't. With the way his stun works, it's easily avoidable by simply jumping, not to mention abilities like Tracer's blinks and rewind, so unless McCree gets a couple of lucky headshots, he struggles against flanking heroes he's supposed to counter. With his short range revolver and just 6 shots he's not a threat to any tank or properly supported frontline hero, and relies more on opponents mistakes rather than on his team cooperation and personal skill.
Whats with all the dva hate, yeah she is good, she has always been good, but now that pros, and youtubers pick her up, she is broken, granted yes they can take the 100 health away from her, even without the movement speed buff, if you knew how to position yourself you could still put in hella work as dva
Yes I'm aware this vid has nothing to do with dva at least directly, but every comment section is filled with salt about dva
BladeArmorGinga i used dva a lot before, and im happy that I get to use her more, but its kind of annoying playing against her every game. i stopped dpsing, and just play ana dva and zarya now.
literally the only reason she was being picked now was because of the buff. i believe xfreedo even said he hates d.va when the buff was coming
BladeArmorGinga she definetly was not always good...
You can take 2 dps 1 soldier and 1 mcree and use mcree in chockes and flanks to win the 1v1s and get advantages in fights
mcree needs a buff or soldier needs a nerf
no people just need to stop thinking in absolutes like its either McCree or Solider. And those awful people in comp who feel the need to have to yell and scream because they personally think only in terms of meta. McCree may seem weaker but in the right hands he can be stronger than Soldier and vice verse. Gamers need to start playing what they enjoy, not what some youtubers says is better on any given day
You're mostly right, but I think 9 out of 10 people you ask are going to say Soldier is objectively overpowered right now.
I get what you're saying and if you're playing quickplay, I agree. But in competitive/ranked the main point is to do everything you can to ensure your team wins, not to play what you enjoy. This means that, sometimes, you have to play heroes you don't necessarily want to. Obviously, it's better to play a hero you know how to play, but you have to make sure it fits your team's comp and isn't countered hard by the enemy.
Wind of change ana is the problem, not soldier
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You underestimate my power
BUFF MCCREE PLS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
konrad kurzak NERF ANA PLS !!!!!!!!!!
Hey, YourOverwatch I really loved your video and comments on this. Keep up the good work guys. But I would like to point out something mentioned in the video and share my thoughts on the issue.
First of all. You said that Mccree can do 280 dmg/sec with two headshots on the head and the fact that Soldier can dish out 500 something dmg/sec also with constant headshots on the head not to mention his helios rockets with 140 dmg. But I have some different number here. It's when McCree can effectively use 12 bullets with his instant reload ability in the roll. And Based on this perspective, McCree can, theoretically put out 700 dmg I don't know if it is per 1 sec or 2 sec but. He can at close range, unload 6 ammo, roll, and unload 6 ammo again. Of course, there is a problem with this way of thinking it's the distance, the target may move out of McCree's effective range, and there is a time difference of course. So I am not saying YourOverwatch's comparison is wrong, I think you guys just wanted a simple comparison. But here it is anyways correct me with any mistakes or misses, please. Overall I agree with Mcree being relatively less favored against Solider after his buff. So Here's my idea, it is my fixes. I hope it is interesting enough It won't be realized but what's the point of brainstorming if we are not gonna have these unrealistic ideas. where is, the fun in that. Anyways I think the soldier vs Mccree problem is that the game is not being flexible making one hero overpoweringly overpowering the other in the game especially at the pro level (Although I think pros should always use the strongest heroes). In order to have that equal ground, I think soldier needs a nerf on his helis rocket in damage, traveling speed, and/or increase his knockback range of the rockets nerfing his helis damage or his rifle damage or something. He really got a huge buff now he can put out 75 more damage per clip and I think this is a huge buff Now I see why people call this a huge buff when I considered only 3 dmg increase per bullet was such small change. Not to mention the fact that he can reload instantly and dish out multiple 75 more damages in the game. this another 75 damage can also add up throughout the differents stages of a single game. He also has more mobility the incredible speed boost hit and run style gameplay with the huge self-sustain this guy is on par with Roadhog currently. He is like a brother of roadhog. he can hit and run hit and run charge his ult, flank around the corner and annihilate the squishes and come back again. Maybe his ult charge rate needs to be nerfed.
Anyways back to McCree, He is cowboy who excels at drawing his gun and punish anyone with accuracy and power of the revolver. Yet he is also a style of a hero who can also get pushied if not positioned correctly or protected. HIgh risk one shot kill He reminds of Russian Roulet if my bullet cannot hit you faster than yours than I am dead.Like a dual in the cowboy battle. So I think he probably needs his flashbang buffed maybe not in damage or range or but the stun time. like he can charge his stun duration turn the knob on the flashbang or something so that he has a better chance against tanks in close range if he had the ability to change stun time on the flash bang like how twisted fate can change his cards to stun/dmg/steal mana away from the enemy. Or we can change his cool down on the rolls the give him more survivability and mobility (this I think might give him less feeling as a cowboy in the future.) or change his ult in some way like take away the glow on him to give him more sneakiness I mean when the ult is used, everyone on the tea already knows because heroes let everyone about it already.
OH yea another thing, the fact that he uses a revolver and has massive amount of damage per bullet is because Blizzard want McCree users to have advantage of their opponents using their high accuracy. People with higher accuracy can become a massive Dps using McCree. This is not True with Solider hes more forgiving with accuracy but has mobility and more ammo. But this concept of high damage due to accuracy is not really the determining factor of the win in Pro level because everyone has high accuracy. So.. yea I think some one needs to point out some errors especially in the sentences right above. But yea.
I know Blizzard don't want to mess with the characters a lot because it confuses people and I am fine with that like some one said in TH-cam so yea. I don't know what other people have in mind but here it is. Happy Holidays guys and git gud everyone in Overwatch.
Love your videos great insight and knowledge. I always learn a lot from you guys .
The current meta in overwatch is seeing a lot of soldier and tanks but a lot of people are wondering, why not McCree? In this guide we go through the reasons you should pick either hero as well as talk about their viability. Let us know what you think and be sure to drop a Like & Subscribe if you enjoyed!
520 DPS with solider!!! Isn't that on par with bastion?
Thomas Florian its actually 20 higher!
520 dps, I'd believe it. That feel when Rein charges and you get that IDDQD level tracking for literally 1 second, he dies before the charge finishes and you see that you did 91 percent of his health.
I still think Mccree is better if they have a good genji/tracer and going Winston won't work because of a reaper or something. But as far as who am I choosing at the start of the round, I just can't see any reason to NOT go soldier. Any comp without soldier just seems to lack damage in my eyes ATM. That said when I see a soldier I don't mind what other DPS we have. Choose Hanzo/Widow or Mei/Bastion we have a soldier and he can pretty much fill the role by himself and as long as SOMEONE else is shooting stuff, then the kills will most definitely come.
it's not 520 DPS, its 520 burst damage in one second.
the helix rocket is a one shot that doesn't sustain that level of damage.
it's not mathematically 520 dps with headshots. It takes exactly 1 second for 10 shots , then there's a slight delay to shoot the rocket and then rocket travel time. At least 1.5 seconds for that depending on range.
So really, Helix rocket shouldn't be taken into account for DPS. His headshot DPS is 400.
I think one of the problems soldier has is in higher level, where there are really good healers and chip damage is not a good thing. Mostly soldiers chip damage doesnt do much when your team isnt focusing a specific target. that damage will be healed and will be easy ult charge for the enemy team healers. especially in longer ranges soldier has a lot of damage drop off and the dps he deals will be turned to trash damage. With a very good mccree if you can get multiple headshots on a target even without follow up you can get a easy pick.
they should buff tracer
absolutely not watch soon to get better
They buffed all of her counters,they really should biff her
Even if one pro hamer is really good at her doesn't mean that she good for everyone especially in uncoordinated team
Well then don't play her in uncordinated teams problem solved. An if a pro can play her y balence? Pros play in the most cordinated teams in the game. Thats y I gave a recommendation of watching soon, learning effective play styles as flanker is a skill.plus Buffing a high dps flanking character changes the meta massively to where we have a new genji solo carry type character
You basically say that ypu cant play her in solo q because they are not coordinated so waht only pro cam use her?
I mean if there is no coordination then u can't play a couple hero's in ow, so by ur logic every character should be buffed if they can't solo carry a solo q game. That sounds like a really fun game lol
I do get that Soldier is much more easier to play and deal heavy damage but i still prefer McCree solely for the soloque because of his flashbang.He can stop ulties and save teammates from rein charge and roadhogs hook.I also keep my ulti for the pharah and mercy combo on the sky and after mercy is dead,there's almost a guaranteed team fight.
I like the Soldier buff, it makes the DPS role consistent since it's kinda hard to do bad with Soldier. For Mcree just reduce or even take out the draw time, most Deadeye kills are missed because the target(s) got to cover in time and one of the main reasons why his ult is bad. That and also probably increase the range of his flashbang by a lot.
I love the Your Overwatch videos and you guys make some great points. I respect how much you know about the game and the work you guys put in pumping out so many quality videos. Keep it up
This is my opinion. Please do not take this seriously.
First of all, Mcree needs his fan the hammer to be buffed at close range. Not what it used to be, but enough for it to be more useful than it currently is. It would also be cool if he could could have a faster fire rate with primary fire, with slightly less damage, but enough to kill squishes fairly consistently. Mcree's flashbang should last a little bit longer (I don't know how much more or little) and he should 2 rolls (maybe only the first one reloads). Finally, his ult should lock on faster, but only be able to acquire 3-4 targets. He should also be able to move a bit faster during it as well.
On soldier, his gun should have less ammo in the mag and fire faster. His gun will do less damage, but also have more bloom. His healing pod should last longer, but heal less per second. His ultimate should do less damage, but during it, helix rocket cooldowns will be reduced, so he can send out a few more than he can currently.
That's all. Tell me your thoughts! I would love to know what's right or wrong about my thinking, and how I can fix it!
McCree buff: Headshot (from single fire) resets cooldown on Combat Roll.
BoxANT headshot might be too easy, but I like where your headed. Maybe just on elim like Genji
i think McCree is one of the most balanced heros right now, and they should nerf solider maybe 19 damage for a bullet instead of 20 or nerf his rocket
Mcree is balanced, it's just soldier is very good at tacking out rein barriers. So the problem is that against tanks soldier Is better and we are in a tank heavy meta so 76 is just more useful
I think they should buff Fan of the Hammer and make McCree better at medium/short range and keep soldier as is.
Having an issue with tanks as is will be relieved with a mcree better at killing tanks
Solider doesn't need a nerf. He is only TECHNICALLY doing better because Mcree needs a bit of a buff to his damage and MAYBE his movement speed
Soldier needs nerfs. He's always had good sustain, but with the recent changes his burst is now unreal as well. He makes all other DPS characters obsolete because he's good in almost every situation, plus his damage is just objectively the best.
Source: Soldier player.
DJ_Marxman He is fine, the only reason he is picked is because he shreds tanks. Get rid of the tank meta and you will see less soldier
Flash bang saves lives! Soldier's healing circle won't save a squishy from a Rein charge, nor from a Road hook. I actually play him a lot more "support" like now, using his stun WAY more defensively, especially when hanging out with the supports in the back.
Ya just finished watching the Roadhogg video and glad this addresses the shift in meta with Soldier. Roadhogg is a strong tank/dps and you can insta kill a soldier, but you can also get shreaded like no other dps champ can by soldier. Even a bullet graze on a 200HP champ in close/medium range can half your hp. It's really insane right now. McCree is still one of the best duelists in the game, but given that many of the higher tier matches are clumped up healing spam fiestas of teams moving as a single unit, McCree is more often to get singled out and eliminated then actually getting picks. Not every time, but for the most part in big engages, McCree falls short and has to backline for that clutch High Noon.
4:55 LOL that reaper. Why didn't he just shadow step to safety??
i scream this from rooftop to rooftop. bring back his old FTH combo. not only will kill the three tank meta, it was also what mcree was supposed to do. be a tank buster.
Remember when McCree's fanfire>roll>fanfire combo killed tanks? It might coming in handy right about now.
The "only" reason 76 is good is because he shreds tanks (RIP Reaper). If they nerf tanks, and we'll see more 1/2 tanks line-ups, McCree will be better. Soldier is better just because tanks are in every game. If we stop that, they will be equal.
only thing mcree needs to be somewhat in a position he can help the team and not just hitscan. Make flashbang explode on contact, not range limited. It could be so useful against people stacked, in a way you can drop a rein from having his shield, or in a way that the immediate action isnt fan the hammer, but rather a precise headshot.
That alone would make mcree a viable choice in a greater number of situations. As of now he's a walking "i need healing" class that can deal damage, but that's it.
I would like to add something here. Even though Soldier's biotic field isn't very usable in a teamfight it can, I think, be used to great effectiveness in combination with Ana, especially in a tanky comp. If you throw a biotic nade in the biotic field (...) you'll heal for exactly 500hp, meaning everyone should be full health. Of course it'll also boost Soldier's ult, which is the point. So if you're lucky and you managed not to heal your tanks until the fight's over, you can have ult for nearly every teamfight.
Plus McCree gets wrecked by Dva whereas Soldier doesn't :p
Maybe buffing the range a tad on Tracer might shift the meta enough to do the trick. It would give her a little more accessibility as a harassing hero if she didn't have to get as close to her targets. She does good damage but a lot of her utility lies in focusing attention away from the main comp, if she can do that from a safer distance she can more effectively exploit her mobility advantage over the tanks to draw them out of position.
Blizzard should leave the game alone for a little while. Soldier is one of the few reliable ways to deal with Dva, and I'm just not a fan of undoing buffs before the community has had a chance to try and deal with them.
Also, we just need time to get better at the game. This is early Overwatch, what we think is an "elite" McCree now is just going to be pretty good a year or two from now.
Soldier, I think, is perfect. McCree is the one who probably needs a buff in his bullet hitbox, I think. Or his rate of fire and reload.
The only thing that makes me decide between the two is the spread of 76's rifle at long range, where McCree can sustain it.
Both have something I love; McCree has the flashbang combo, and 76 has his sights.
Mccree range isn't worth it tbh. You might as well snipe.
McCree, if you can aim well, is significantly better. There are people out there that can aim that well, but the thing is they aren't playing this game. They are playing Quake and Counter Strike because those games are far more about aim than anything else.
Tank meta needs to be fixed. D.Va and Roadhog need kit changes. Hook has no downside. Defense matrix is the strongest defense ability. Once that is fixed, nerf soldier. Otherwise, the constant buffs = power creep. They need to avoid that.
the CC of McC is understated. Flashbang is one of the most versatile skills in the game
Maybe reduce the cool down on roll/reload ability for mccree. This way he can keep pumping out damage like soldier does.
I think soldier needs to have a projectile travel time. A very fast one, faster than say Hanzo's arrows but still i think he needs a travel time. Also I think Macree's combat roll needs to be buffed. Maybe it goes further or something.
three steps to fix MCcree, 1.put roll on a 6 second cool down and have it reset on an elimination. 2.buff peacekeeper damage to 80 points and slight decrease to damage fall off. 3.have a canceled high noon retain 50% ult charge. If he's killed during his ult reset to zero.
I just love the aspect of 1v1 duels. That's why I have close to 60 hours McCree as a level 123. My next hero on the board in Widow on 9 hours. I still pick Soldier in Competitive if I get the DPS spot though, and it's just cause of these reasons you state in your video.
I personally think the Tank meta is boring. Don't nerf Soldier, nerf the tanks (and buff McCree thank you).
Mccree needs something to give himself a bit more sustain. For being the "1v1 duelist" he has the hardest time staying alive in 1v1s out of all the offense heroes.
Something changed with his roll would probably be nice. Maybe give it a short window during the roll animation where you take significantly reduced damage, so it could be used as an actual dodge.
That would raise his skill ceiling even more, but not affect his skill floor.
Soldiers Healing Station seeing a 25-30 percent HPS drop would be pretty good, you'd see alot more people more confident to go up against a soldier.
just increase the range on the flashbang and make it stun tanks longer. That should balance things out. Though he could use a hair more damage. As a bonus they should give his roll a dust cloud that sufficiently obscures his movement for a brief moment.
I think its like you said, soldier is better against tanks because the spread doesn't matter against them. Mccree should still be a good pick for high levels as he's a huge threat to squishy targets at close range (and medium range if you can land the shots). I think he'll be considered more viable once tanks lost their place at the top of the 'meta'
I don't personally play Mccree but I always played Soldier since I picked up Overwatch. He feels really good right now but I can agree when people say other DPS need a buff.
Either McCree is a 1v1 dualist or he needs teammates around to help. Pick one. And if they're gonna buff mccree would raising fan the hammer damage from 45 per round to 50 be reasonable? Or not enough?
I think they need to nerf soldier just a tick. I feel Mccree has been in a very good spot for awhile until they put tank rounds in soldier's rifle.
you totally forgot to talk about the fact mcrees flashbang can stop reins pins and some ultimates, along with really helping for focus fire
4:38 MY GOD THE CLUTCH REZ.
Solider needs a tiny tweek, something between the current state and the one before the buff. IMO, Solider is the all around put him in any comp classic hit scan DPS with some added utiliy who you pick if you don't need anything specific. McCree is a duelist with Crowd Control which only a few other heroes have that requires much more practice but is more rewarding if you put in the effort.
As a McCree main I pretty much agree with this video. I prefer playing McCree because he's more fun and satisfying to use, but it's really hard to find a reason to play him over Soldier. Pretty much the only thing McCree has going for him over Soldier is that he's very good at securing kills on targets that feel safe because they've only taken a bit of damage, by landing a 140 damage headshot, whereas Soldier has to work a bit harder to secure kills because his damage is more constant rather than in bursts. However Soldier's raw DPS, sustain, ability to melt tanks (especially in the tank heavy meta) and burst down targets with his rockets makes him a pretty much mandatory pick.
I don't really feel that nerfing Soldier is the right way to go though, because he feels like he's in a good place right now, and tanks/supports are already too strong compared with DPS heroes. Buffing the other damage heroes so that they're on par with Soldier is, by far, the best solution imho.
I think Mcree should really get buff, Something like adding a bonus to his High Noon such as instantly (or dramatically increasing the speed) locking on to someone facing him. Makes his ult more of quickdraw for guaranteed elims rather than a really hard to pull off teamwipe
McCree needs a spread reduction on FTH so that it's similar to Tracer's guns with fewer shots and more damage per shot, a headshot damage buff, and a guaranteed 50% Ultimate return if you're killed before it fires.