Arcane 1x9 REACTION "The Monster You Created"
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Silco did in fact shoot at Vi. You can see a bullet hole near Vi's head if you look closely. Silco even asked at the statue "Is their anything so undoing as a daughter" because he finally understood why Vander gave up fighting - he found someone he wasn't willing to lose.
i always thought the bullet head in her chair was from jinx shooting. she didn’t exactly aim and just shot around herself
very good comment
Looking at it frame-by-frame, you can even see the bullet hitting the chair and missing Vi.
YOU are right. Silco supported Jinx even when she caused him trouble, so why would he turn on her in the end?
yup. surprised so many people missed it. fast scene but he was CLEARLY shooting at vi and they flash to her and show her chair being shot and everything.
very clear that silco would have done anything for jinx and really loved her like his daughter.
Silco understands that Mylo, Claggor, and Vander are Jinx's "demons" that haunt her daily. Vi doesn't understand this because she was gone for so long. Silco was going to shoot Vi to shut her up because she was hurting his daughter.
Nah, Silco never wants Jinx to go back as Powder. Killing Vi would put the last nail on the coffin. You're romanticizing too much of his character. Relax
@@CzarsSalad There's not much of romanticising when we can clearly see he only starts lashing out once Jinx is on the floor hurting. Before that he only spoke up when they referred to him and didn't interrupt Vi or JInx when they were talking.
@@LoyaltL yeah we can say that he developed affection and care for Jinx yes for sure. But to stretch on to saying “he understands the demons of Mylo, Claggor, Vander that haunts her” is indeed romanticising Silco’s character. Never once it was shown in the show that he cares about or help Jinx dealing with her mental issues, but only exploit it. He even rushed her to complete her gadgetry experiment with the Hex Gem, when she say she couldn’t because she kept hearing voices.
@@CzarsSalad wtf do you have to put someone els down like that for no reason? Does it make you feel big?
@@farisshah6060 He visit's Jinx's lair where he can clearly see the Mylo and Claggor dolls and he has probably seen them in some form during the years that he has raised jinx. I think Silco would know that Mylo and Claggor are demons/voices that affect Jinx.
We see Silco treat Jinx with respect and softness when she was on the cusp of manic episodes. I don't know how you think you should interact with people who are having anxiety attacks or any kind of mental illness episode but Silco's approach was far more empathetic of Jinx than how Vi would've approached the situation. In terms of helping her mental illness to exploit her, Jinx's trauma is there, the people who could resolve or calm the demons in her head are either dead or locked away. At that point there is no point bringing up the pain, there is no point to "confront" the trauma because there is no healthy resolution to come to at least none that would be helpful to Jinx. Because of that Silco's belief to kill KJinx's attachment to Powder and "the past" and move on and accept her new self as Jinx is the healthier option. Does it serve his purposes? Yeah, but it still is the more healthier option. Silco can advocate for the healthier option and one that serves him because the align out of coincidence. Things aren't binary in real life and that dimension makes the show more realistic and engaging.
I think Silco was being completely genuine. We look back at Act One and Silco can't understand Vander's new outlook on life.
After raising Powder as his own daughter, Silco finally comes to understand and says something along the lines of "There's nothing so undoing as a daughter" while talking to his old friend.
YOU ARE RIGHT! Jinx gave him grief since Episode 4 and onward yet he NEVER turned against her, even when implored to do so. He believed in her, wholeheartedly.
@@shawnotoole1421 Yup, he had so many opportunities to cut Jinx loose given the amount of problems she was causing and he didn't do it.
Plus, when Jayce first brings up wanting Jinx to Silco, Silco's face immediately falters and he loses his cool a little. If Silco was willing to sacrifice Jinx for the nation of Zaun he could've agreed to it right there.
@@itsjoesantos9553 He took the blame for her terrorism... even though he had nothing to do with it.
Finn said, "Today is the day you die, Silco." He was right...
You were always right...
Ha!! Never connected that.
Like the others said, Silco was shooting at Vi. You can see the bullet hole near her head. Throughout the entire series, we have this whole "Is Silco being genuine to Jinx?" sword looming over every scene but the Vander statue scene along with Silco's final words finally put that to rest. There was never a point in the story where he was not being genuine to her.
Made even more blatantly clear by the script-to-screen video of Silco's final words Arcane posted on their official twitter. You guys should check it out.
"Silco's eyes, full of love, glaze over. Blank."
"Jinx, with the affirmation of love she's always wanted ringing in her ears, holds Silco's dead body."
Don't forget the kiss to the forehead when he brings her to the doctor.
@@thejanusproject32 this point is always overlooked but such an obvious point in showing his true feelings as if he was faking or putting on a show she wouldn't of remembered that
25:44 Shane really felt Silco's death lmao when i first saw it i was crying like a child, I believe 100% Silco wouldn't ever give Jinx up
Saw a video with a psychiatrist analyzing Silco and Jinx's relationship and one of the things she brought up most people dont think about is the fact that Silco has just as many abandonment issues as Jinx herself. The reason he's so obsessed with making Jinx happy and so fixated on killing Vi is because he's terrified of being abondoned the same way he was abanded by Vander in the past.
Appreciate the reaction guys, but feel like you missed a major theme of the show: change. Vander was about family and securing their future, but the show made it clear that he was once a killer and a revolutionary. Silco had a similar arc and ultimately identified more with his old enemy than the man he thought he was. Everyone in this show had to come to terms with the fact that you can't pass through the same river twice; The water will be different and so will you.
Silco actually get more and more genuine with time, first time he met her he wanted to killer, then tried to raised her into a weapon, then a daughter. I love Silco cause we can see the progression of his priorities get changed, but he only realize that it's already changed after he face the decision between the 2. love it, nicely done.
1:07 awww it's okay brother, I think most of the comments were just trying to point out the details not to hate haha, this show don't want to straight up dumping information on the viewers, that's why not a single time "yordle" or "void" was mentioned and they want to built the world through the art itself. This show was meant to watch multiple times, of course you're going to miss alot after just the first watch, most people watching reaction probably watch the show through the reactions several times already so....
For Rhodeni, if you're here... the little blink-and-you'll-miss-it character development in this episode is of course Jinx wearing the Atlas gauntlets while carrying the "head"/cupcake platter. Episode 3 established the floating/magic element Hextech is capable of. Episode 4 established Jayce couldn't lift the Atlas gauntlet during his demonstration to Heimerdingger until he put the Hextech gem in it. This episode demonstrated that Vi couldn't lift the gauntlet during her fight with Savika after she put her sword through it; damaging it and forcing Vi to the ground due to its weight for an easy beat down from Savika.
Those moments are all in service of showing just how powerful/strong Jinx has become from her life-saving Shimmer infusion from Episode 8. Another little, well crafted attention-to-detail... after she drops the platter onto the table, she drops the gauntlets to the floor and there is a little shaking-out of her right hand animation i.e. something someone would do after trying to lift a heavy object.
Both explains how powerful Hextech is in allowing people to easily use such large weapons with ease, and also establishing how powerful a character has become in wielding a powered-down Hextech weapon
Yeah I saw that upon review, crazy.
it wouldn’t make sense for Silco to be disingenuous, literally none of his actions line up with that
I notice that Shane doesn't act like a smart person, but he makes a lot more accurate analysis than Zakk, who's very self-assured about his intelligence, who proceeds to make incorrect analysis left right and center.
"You're human. People are going to make mistakes." That's what makes this show so good. Every character feels real, feels human, feels genuine. You may or may not agree with the decisions they make or the reasons for their actions but it's easy to understand why they arrive at the places they arrive. The story is a tragedy that unfolds not because the plot demands this or that happens but because it's the natural conclusion of all the decisions made by these characters.
Jinx for years has just been the "Harley Quinn" of League of Legends with no backstory at all. Little did we know they were working on this series the whole time. The saddest part is that nothing has changed, even with her growth after all of these years. She's a walking calamity no matter what she does. A Jinx. As a child her biggest motivation is to prove herself and be helpful. She doesn't want to be a burden but it always ends poorly. She has now lost another father, severed ties with her sister and obliterated peace/independence just as the vote was happening. It's no different than her killing everyone by accident just as they were escaping in episode 3. No matter what she does everyone and everything around her ends up worse than they were before she shows up.
to clarify the “fridges” thing! when an under-developed female character is killed (or injured, r!ped etc.) purely for a male character’s development we say she was “fridged”. it comes from the comic book death of green lantern’s girlfriend who was found dead in a fridge for his development. there is even a website for it called women in refrigerators. it happens so often in older super-hero comics. the death of gwen stacy is another prime example of this.
So it's not called fridging if a male dies purely for the character development of a different male/female character?
@@keith9864 sure, killing off characters purely for another character’s development happens to both male and female characters. however it happens wayyy more often to female characters. that’s why we recognize it as a phenomenon and gave it a name when it happens to female characters specifically. it’s lazy writing regardless of what gender the character is tho.
Silco was shooting Vi, it's only a frame but you can see Vi dodge it and the shot passes through her seat
"Vander will never betrayed" but he betrayed Silco (his brother) other people like Sevika, only because he want to save his kids.
Silco always think about goal, but most his people was loyal to him. Sevika even could die for him in ep3. Silco loved Jinx (like daughter). He always said she is more then I can imagine.
If say true, Jinx is perfect for such city as Zaun. Zaun eats everyone, but Jinx at the end is unstoppable. She is nothing to lose, strong, fast very smart (genius). Now even if Piltover will start war, they will always have fear of Jinx. She would be like Kraken for Piltover (yes Piltover didn't respect Vander or Silco). Silco wanted respect, after this ending, Piltover people will respect what Zaun will say (yes it is not side of good respect). For Silco she is perfect "we will show them all".
"fakk everybody else" *EXCEPT* Jinx.
When Silco was at Vanders statue, he was trying to convince himself he *should* give Jinx up.
He was offered EVERYTHING he ever wanted, strived, fought and killed for in exchange for Jinx.
He couldnt do it.
For a heartless monster who crave nothing but power, that shouldve been an easy decision.
But it wasnt, cuz he isnt.
He a damaged man, with a longing for freedom who had a "by any means necissary" mentality...
Untilll it came to his daughter... thats where he gave it all up.
Silco pointed the gun at Jinx SO MUCH that he fired on Vi. :D
The dude on the right got a lot of things wrong on Silco. For example, Silco didn't care about loyalty ? Dafuq ?
I believe Silco. His actions since episode 3 seemed to imply that he put Jinx above over his overall goal for the nation.
Like manipulating her? Grooming her? Like allowing her to be in deadly missions? Sure
@@CzarsSalad He never groomed her. He allowed her to be on deadly missions which she herself compromised, but he generally trusted her and wanted to see her succeed. It would of been better off if she didn't go on the missions judging from context clues of episode 4. If he had worry that she would be killed he wouldn't of allowed her to go on such missions.
@@CzarsSalad the show has serious themes but not to that degree. also the writers them self sad that it wasn't grooming and he does indeed love her as a daughter.
Hard disagree that there was any ambiguity over who Silco was aiming the gun at. It even ricochets off Vi's chair. Silco was a real piece of work as a human being but he did truly love Jinx, hence his talk with the Vander statue. I finally understand, brother.
Silco showed through the entire 2nd and 3rd act that Jinx was the only one he truly cared for. Jinx didn't chose VI over Silco. Silco forced her hand when he tried to kill Vi. you could see his shot hit to Vi's right on her chair. The drink poured to Vander was because he finally understood Vanders actions in episode 3. I don't think he would have given her up. I think he truly believe he could achieve his goals without doing that. Or at least come to a compromise where he took lease that what was agreed to.
In his own twisted way, he cared. At the same time, for our standards, he's a shit father ;)
I think they're referring to being "Stuffed In A Fridge", where a character dies to motivate another character or push the plot. It's not exclusive to females, but tends to happen to them more than males, especially love interests. It doesn't help that Sky was a bit of a satellite character and very little was actually known about her.
It's called that based on a comic book character who was cut into pieces and put in a fridge for the storyline of her love interest.
examples of this happening with male characters?
@@cthulhuwu_ Green Lantern: A New Dawn, never read it personally.
@@noahkirschtein8169 Cloak & Dagger Hulu series. Detective O'Reilly's partner and boyfriend Fuchs is killed and literally stuffed into a fridge for her to find. Only one I can think of off the top of my head.
There was a split second moment at the end of the standoff when Silco got shot, you see a bullet just barely miss Vi's head, Silco shot at her to save Jinx. I fully believe what he said at the end of his life, he wouldn't have given up Jinx for anything. To add onto that, the moment where he kissed her head when Jinx was dying, and when he tried to take the rap for her independent crimes when talking to Jayce, plus his talk with Vander's statue, I think all these moments point towards him being more attached to Jinx than his dream of Zuan. Also, a few of these moments were completely private, he didn't have to talk about his undoing to Vander's statue, kissing Jinx's forehead was his instinctual action with no witnesses.
some people says that every care or love sing Silco does to Jinx is for manipulative reasons, but his desesperate run to save her in the bridge, the kiss in her forehead or the talk in Vander's statue show us his genuine intentions bc theres no one to manipulate there, its just him and his love for his daughter.
@@sasori2425 yea i saw that video, its great, but those scenes are easy to recognize, and there's even more that i didnt even mentioned, its just people hate so much on the character that they cant actually see or accept those moments of authenticity? i really dont get it
@@sasori2425 completly agree, It is even weird seeing Silco as a Victim, but he trully is, a monster created over abuse and betrayal, really loved him as a character.
Abt the one dimention villain, it is also really true, ive had the misfortune to read really nonsense, people implying things like seggsual harassment or Stockholm syndrome over the relation betwen Jinx and Silco, just bc people rlly want to see him as a devil, when actually the hole serie want to show us the more human and realistic characters, those kind of thougts demonizing Silco are simply ridiculous, yea he is a bad person, but he is not a monster lmao.
Silco being disingenuous wouldn’t make sense at all? Like we didn’t just have all those introspective moments with him just for fun guys lol
Unless he was lying to himself, which isnt entirely out of the question.
@@thomasmann4536 why would he
@@bruhhh8326 the better question is: why wouldnt he? we lie to ourselves all the time, especially when we have emotional baggage, to make ourselves feel better
@@thomasmann4536 because we are not leading a country we are not the head of a country so yeah
@@bruhhh8326 umm ... if you think that leading a country (or in this instance a mafia) makes you immune to human psychology, you are sorely mistaken
You'll probably notice later, but if you look at Vi's chair, there's a bullet hole where he Silco shot. I don't believe Jinx really "chose." I think she reacted like she was trained to. She didn't trust anyone in that room, and she heard the click of her gun. In ep six, Jinx was able to dodge the overhead without seeing it because she reacted to the noises.
It shows the shot right before it shows his chair getting shot.
@@Tubejin i meant where he shot at Vi. Brain crossed words.
@@757reaper hahaha
OMG THANK YOU! You're the first reaction channel I've seen that actually GETS IT! Most reactors are like, "Whaaat? You're gonna end on a cliffhanger?!" You're the first ones that understand that this season was about the sisters. What mattered to this story was the fact that Jinx shot the missile. The consequences of that action matter more to the NEXT story.
If you watch again, Silco shoots through Vis chair.
You can see that Silco shot at Vi. You see he misses the shot and hits her chair.
Hey Zakk we love your reaction, sober or not you have valid thoughts on the show and we appreciate you expressing your opinions regardless
I hope we can drive this point home to him!
Regarding Mel's mom, she's introduced here to shed more light on Mel, but to start expanding the world in general. I feel in the next season we may be seeing more of Noxus's forces coming to Piltover to take over the Hextechnology. You're reaction of just watching what's going on and taking it in is real. you can't help but just take in the awesome characters doing their thing. It's always incredible when you feel sad at the loss of a great antagonist. Like at the end of the third episode we will have a new status quo, going into Season 2. The leadership is gone in the Underground and in Piltover (or massively weakened). Can't wait to see where it goes. I'm hoping that they really keep the game separate from the story they're telling in Arcane. I don't want characters to have plot armor just because they're in the game. I feel the show should tell it's own story and have characters fall after they have done great things. The game just presents characters from history, IMO.
Her introduction is great. It really throses a curve on how you see Mel, and it introduces Noxian ideals. She's exactly what Noxus is. I love that this show seems to flow like the real world, stories are always starting when others are ending. Action, reaction, repeat.
So the term “fridging” comes from a Green Lantern comic when one of his new girlfriend was killed and left in a refrigerator to be found.
The Strain…such a surprising gem of a show to discover!
I really appreciate Zakk's perspective and the conversation of ideas that you both had through this show. I will definitely watch more videos that you two do together for the discussion alone.
Appreciate it!
Silco shot at Vi, Vi was calling forth names that to her were things that grounded her, but to Jinx they were demons, demons that weighed on her and tormented her and he was unable to sit there and allow his daughter to be tormented. He raged and pulled until he was able to take up the gun and do something to stop it, that being take the shot at Vi. Silco isn't a villain, an antagonist, yes, but not a villain.
Vander not betray anyone? Vander settled to keep the lanes safe, people of the undercity as a whole were suffering. They were drowning in the toxins and the run off of Piltover, there's a reason they rose up and went against them once upon a time, and Vander gave up on that. Vander is akin to the chemlords, IE Finn, he was in a good place, his kids and those around him, and that was enough for him. But over all the people of the undercity were suffering and wound continue to, Silco on the other hand was not going to give up on them, he said it to Vander himself, "not just for the lanes, but for all of the undercity".. Silco was a revolutionary, and he only had so much assets and resources available to him.. he used what he had.
Best show. Best reactions. Best discussions. Loved every second of this journey with you guys.
"This is the finale? the season finale?" Riot: "We will show them all"
Zach's take on the human psyche is great. It is such a wise, experience derived skill. It's such a practical, matter of fact perspective and I love it.
Such an amazing show. I love the eyes, from the beginning to episode 3 at the end to the end of episode 8, then the end with the shark gun jinx's eye and the eyes on the shark gun, along with silco's eye, it all fits so great together. During the fight scene when vi almost runs into the blade and it is slicing all over, you see it move quick and it goes up at a slant, then down, then a small arc across the bottom making the letter A that looks like it does in the title of the show, at least I think that is what it was, have to rewatch it and slow it down. The gemstone on the cupcake, everything is so beautifully done.
I love your guys discussions. You think so deeply about the show.
The term "fridging" is from a green Lanturn comic where Kyle Rayner's GF was killed and stuffed into a refrigerator. Killed only to advance his story.
The term is "women in refrigerators". The idea is when a female character is killed only to advance the plot of the male lead
Great reaction guys ... was a nice ride ... see you all in season 2 !!
I love that the lights in the back are matching the show
This episode cemented Silco as my favorite villain of all time. I never teared up from a villains death in anything that I can remember. Closest feeling I had to this was when Arthas/Lich King dies in the WoW expansion Wrath of the Lich King. For me I feel like Silco’s just on a whole new level.
Btw great reactions! In reaction videos I usually skip to the good parts and you guys are the only ones I watch all the way through. Subscribed!
Thank you!
i loved watching these reactions w you guys + discussion
Another tiny attention-to-detail I love, at 17:39 you can see Jinx standing behind the Vander statue even before Silco's exposition/revealing that Jinx was listening to him!
One for comment algorithm another after watching ✅ Awesome show👏
Great reaction and discussion 👏 Shane Zack you brilliant madman ✅ Another great show that creeped up on me Awesome art style Awesome story can't wait for the next season Thanks Guy's 🙏
Great reaction! The way that they ended the season was illegal, I don't know how I will survive until the next season!
You see Silco shoot Vi's chair btw
Just out of interest here's the meaning of the names Vander & Silco
Vander is a Greek name meaning A good man or 'Family of Good Man'
Silco means Power, Practicality, Ambition Success, Inspiration & Discipline...
Seems they're both well named.
I had a couple drinks during the last Act when I binged it, 10minutes after it was released. Definitely helps the emotions flow a bit more when you're a bit inebriated, so I sympathize with Zakk on that point.
Great reaction and conversation !
Ahhh, the "Did silco really mean that?" debate. I think it's cool that his character is so ambiguous that you can't really tell. Was that his honest last thoughts, or his last efforts at keeping control of Jinx? Only Silco knows, but depending on which side you saw Silco in more, you'll probably go with your preferred choice.
You get that all wrong about Silco, his actions, and his motivation. We have tons of those little hints that make it extremely clear.
I highly recommend watching Georgia Dow, Semblance of Sanity Episode 9 reaction, Skylent Games, and (sorry watched a TH-camr who broke down frame-by-frame how well the attention-to-detail of the animation in episode 1 is used for character development and story-building, but can't remember who that was) if you want to delve further into the modern-day masterpiece this show is.
The ending is pretty intense so most people aren't thinking about this but..
Heimerdinger warned the Council about meddling with the arcane, was voted out by the Council, and the Council is (presumably) about to be destroyed by the product of meddling with the arcane while Heimerdinger is safe thanks to their ignorance.
In Silco's words: "....perfect"
I love how each reactor interprets silco's end differently, it allows for nice discussion surrounding the topic
AYO ISNT THAT VANDER?????????????
what series we got coming? should try archive 81 on netflix thriller / horror
Kinda sad this show is over😩 what’s coming next?! 😁
Second season, probably showing the war between zaun and piltover
@@lartas7960 oh yeah. I was meaning more like what are they gonna replace the show with.
But yeah definitely looking forward to a season 2!
Nice coat!
Let's go algorithm!
Holy shit I love the right guy's perspective to silco's character. He is the only reactor who gives that opinion and he is fking correct about Silco about loyalty.
He definitely understands Silco, children, and trauma.
Nope! Not having it! Ambessa doesn't need that weapon because of something her son did but because of something she did! Ambessa said that Mel's in trouble for something her brother did... I'm calling bullshit on that!
Ambessa "We need that weapon Mel!"
I'd have said "WE NEED, OR YOU NEED?"
How is Mel in Trouble for something her brother did when Mel has been away from Noxus for a decade? Here's my theory Ambessa did something "To keep her family safe" and it backfired and now out of revenge someone is punishing Ambessa fir it!
What's the deal with the Sweden jacket and the Göteborg-shirt? :)
Also, watch this take on the Silco-Jinx relationship, th-cam.com/video/r8xTj4nmBx8/w-d-xo.html
I'm not sure if Zakk reads these, but definitely check out this video from a youtuber on why Silco chose Jinx over Zaun. I think it'll allow you to see that it's not quite as polarizing of a choice as it may have seemed to be. th-cam.com/video/SI8G_yUTZcE/w-d-xo.html
Silco is uncompromising. His ideology compels him to be willing absolutely everything in pursuit of his primary goal.
That never changes. His goal does.
Through the course of the show, Silco slowly replaces Zaun with Jinx, as his top priority.
He experiences a period of cognitive dissonance where he tries to make two competing, incompatible goals both his uncompromising drive, but comes to realize that he must comprise one for the other.
Once he chooses Jinx as his single top goal, he is uncompromising in his ambition to protect and complete her, even at his own expense.
Silco is an absolute boss.
You don't really "need" to see Glass. Unbreakable and Split are well enough on their own.
I think Silco is a shitty guy, just not when it's about Jinx. She's his kryptonite.
Silco meant what he said in the end. He demonstrated this since Episode 3 and especially since Episode 4. He considered her PERFECT even when she caused him grief. She was the personification of his revelation.
Every time i see her, yes mel is hot but her mom is a queen, a warlord queen and I love it.
People invoking Sky as a Fridge character are just mindlessly applying perceived pop-culture misrepresentation instead of actually taking the time to understand the story trying to be told here. Was Vander a Fridged character because he died in the service of the two main character's development? The two main characters are women, this entire story is in service of them! No matter how progressive/equality you try to be in your story, there will always be those who have an insatiable desire to find any perceived cracks in your storytelling and try to knock you the **ck down. All the while ignoring the positive representations being done here.
I like how she wasn't developed, it mirrored how Viktor didn't notice her. Viktor was more broken up that he harmed someone other than her affection for him. It could have been a random person, but they used the person who was around him most and would try to help him.
Are you wearing a Swedish football jersey? O_o?
The term "Fridged" is, like you said, usually used when a female, often underdeveloped Character, dies or suffers and the point isn't about how this was horrible for them but the male Character around them. I don't think it applies here, because quite often the Character dies offscreen, their suffering isn't even being acknlowedged, only the male Characters feellings. But I'm think it is a very small step there, Sky is a missed opportunity in my Opinion.
But the it is called fridging because one of the earliest and most egregious examples was in an Issue of "Green Lantern" where the female Character is killed offscreen and left in a fridge to be found by the male hero. The mai point is that these Characters often have no life of their own, they exist to die to make the male hero feel bad, and they are often forgotten, as soon as the arc ends. It's not a clear line, more like a gray area and while I don't _think_ Syk crosses into fridging, it is sadly very close
a) nothing wrong with fridging
b) don’t use the term fridging
c) disagree completely.
Her lack of development is intentionally a “missed opportunity”. The viewer only notices her because Viktor doesn’t. Viktor’s entire arc is his obsession with legacy & chasing his ambitions too far.
@@lolyungmulaBABY If there is nothing wrong with fridging, why should I not use the term?
It is a recognized Pattern, coming from Comic books, especially "The Green Lantern #45" where the hero finds his girlfriend killed and stuffed in a refrigerator.
And also, I fyou read my comment, i don't think Skys case is fridging
Women in Refrigerators is a trope named after a comic where the hero found his girlfriend dead in a fridge for the sole purpose of motivating the hero. It's a writing shortcut that is frowned on but frankly often times effective. It's also used w/male characters but for some strange reason people don't care about guys dying as much :P
i think jinx is gonna be murdery comes season 2 lmao.
Silco may have had feelings for Jinx on some level as his daughter. But...he still used her for his own ambitions and never helped her cope with her mental trauma. The fact is he loved her selfishly and ended up being the reason why Jinx hurt so many people (including herself). His final words "You're perfect" could be genuine but it also completed Jinx's transformation and ensured she could never heal as a person. Very sad and tragic.
It was better than call her a jinx and hit her tho
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Bro is that skiny pete
The marks on Viktor's body aren't lesions, he literally carved the hex tech runes into his skin. Fridging is a trope based on a comic book that existed, in which I believe the Flash's wife or girlfriend was murdered and stuffed in his fridge for him to find, to cause conflict with the villain. That really doesn't apply here. Viktor technically did this to Skye himself by experimenting with something beyond his understanding. She wasn't a simple victim who was murdered because she was someone's love interest, she died tried to save him from himself.
Okay I'm sorry but Zach is missing so many details, but also just blatant stuff that earlier in the episode. In this exact same episode, Silco meets with Jayce in order to end the violence, and two of the arguments that Zach is trying to make get completely shut down in that conversation. First is the, "Silco will do anything to get what he wants" argument, yet we see him agree to Jayce's terms immediately, because in the end he dosen't want a war, he just wants the nation of Zoin to be independent from topside. Second is the argument that Silco would have killed jinx, which is thrown out the window when he's talking to Jayce, and is not only unwilling to give her up, but is also willing to take the fall for her actions. That and the conversation with the Vander statue show that he was willing to sacrifice what he wanted and even himself for jinx. These are two instances in the same episode, so like how did he not see that? Lastly, and I saw that somebody else commented this, but you can see a bullet hole on Vi's chair, showing that he tried to shoot her, as shooting Jinx would have made no sense whatsoever. Look I know i'm ranting, but this has been a consistent thing throughout the season with Zach, and I don't know why Shane just seems to passively agree with him when it always looks like he wants to say more, or have a different take on the matter.
Thisss, he didnt catch the hole thing this time.
Silco was really prepared to give up on everything, shimer, money, the hextech weapon, the deals with that mafia group, even goin to jail in Jinxs place, but never give her to them
I mean, they're right in that Silco IS willing to do anything to get what he wants, except give up jinx, it's just that he gets his independancy out of the deal so why wouldn't he accept it? He would go to war but if it's not needed, why would he?
Lol don't worry, the game is NOTHING like the show, they have very little to do with it.... (still never play the game trust me). XD
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Disposition of the guy on the right (Zakk) is that of an intelligent person, but he's nowhere near as smart as he carries himself to be lol. That's a pretty bad misread of a pretty blatantly spelled out part of Silco's character.
Plus, being among the reactors with the longest videos including analysis, Zakk gets a lot more wrong than other reactors with ~20-30 minute video. As far as I know, only Semblence of Sanity are longer, and they're leagues above in intelligent analysis. There's even one TH-cam reactor (his name escapes me now) who comes off as a total clown and comedian but then makes a few salient and correct points and his videos are 20-ish minutes or so - another actually smart person who doesn't need that disposition.
So, probably an unpopular opinion about this channel here - Shane would have made a much better solo reaction to this show than what they've done having both him and Zakk.
None of us know for sure. I get the feeling that Zach is just untrusting of others in general. It doesn't mean he's wrong, because there is no right answer. It's a fictional character and without them actually doing the action it's all speculation.
@@Tubejin "None of us know for sure." Unless you hear it straight from the actors/writers.
But that's irrelevant at this point. Silco' stance on Jinx vs Zaun was blatantly obvious. Maybe somewhere in this comment section someone has already spelled it out.
"Fictional characters can only be speculated" is also not a good point. Writers present their characters with intentions that are completely implicit, completely explicit, and everything in between. I'm sure Silco has a lot of ambiguity, but this particular situation for Silco was explicit.
ps. If you can't find anyone in this comment section spelling out SIlco for this episode, other reactors have done it. Check out Semblance of Sanity, who are in sync with this channel having just done episode 9 too. Watching other reactors, you'll find that Zakk is someone who acts smart, as opposed to many other reactors who are just smart and don't need to act it.
@@rudy_4ier I'm going to side with Zach somewhat. People say one thing and do another. Words are easy, actions are where you prove yourself. Sure Silco may have even believed he wouldn't give up Jinx, but it doesn't mean when push comes to shove, he wouldn't. I don't think he would, but I've lived long enough to know better. Everyone dreams of being a hero, the person doing the hard, right thing. They even showed Marcus having this idea. People often choose what's most convenient in the end. I believe Zach has had a heavy does of reality in life and learned alot of hard truths about people. Don't dismiss his cynical view of Silco as him not getting it, he could say you are naive and you both would have valid points.
@@Tubejin "People say one thing and do another."
Eh, early on in your comment you've laid the basis of your defense for Zakk and that's enough. It's not what I'm referring to. It's not what others are referring to when they say that Silco chose Jinx over Zaun. We're not referring to a simple "you're perfect" one-liner.
Secondly, you've also misrepresented Zakk's stance. What you said: "Don't dismiss his cynical view of Silco as him not getting it"
No, this isn't what Zakk thought. This is you adding your own defense on top of his and presenting it as coming from him.
Zakk did NOT say that Silco was being ambiguous or indecisive. Zakk said that Silco CHOSE Zaun, and had already planned to give up Jinx. Zakk even asserts that Silco SHOT AT JINX at the end. I've never seen a more wrong "analysis" from any reactor. I mean, really, even just logistically, if Silco had killed Jinx, what was going to happen with him? He was tied up there with Vi and Caitlyn for company.
I suppose it's fun for Zakk to paint people as "naive". Guess he finds a comforting sense of superiority in talking about other people as being naive. Over this reaction series he loves to talk up his perspective as one of experienced, cynical and mature. Yet he can't see the irony when he made his mind up about Silco, that Silco chose to kill Jinx to save himself, that Silco chose Zaun and chose to betray Jinx. Zakk sees the world in black and white, and sees Silco only as a cowardly and evil character. Zakk is the most naive of all reactors, and presents himself proudly as the opposite of naive. The irony is very strong.
People here are romanticizing way too much of Silco's character
I don't think so, no one is saying his good. He is, however, competent. He's not evil, he just has a different/broken morale compass. He's ruthless, but he also lives by his own code. He's doing what he sees is right, or "the greater good" and feels he's the only one strong enough to stomache the tough choices and sacrifices needed to achieve his dream. Personification of the ends justify the means. The real curve all is that in the end, he cares more for Jinx than his dream. That's the kicker, in the end, he agreed with Vander. The tragedy is that all of the pain, violence, and death was ended up being pointless. The final song really sums up the sadness, "What could have been."
@@Tubejin Then why did Jayce went to the council and proposed peace if Silco did not agree to his terms? Silco in his final words said "I never WOULD HAVE given you to them..." Grammatically the construction is very conditional, not definitive. I dunno, it's a strange plot hole for me.
Plus, alot of people would say Silco is a great father... That is the most bullshit thing ever. That's why I said people are romanticizing him. He might be a father figure, but it doesn't mean he's a great (not even good) father. That's my opinion.
@@CzarsSalad don't confuse being a good father to loving your child. I understand what you are saying, it's just there is not right answer. It's all perspective.
@@Tubejin those people who think Silco is a good father are very impressionable, stupid, and easily manipulated. I fucking cringe whenever I read those kinds of comments.
@@CzarsSalad people live different lives. A father who listens to you, doesn't beat it molest you, don't get shit face drunk and put fear in you and genuinely loves you might be a "good father" for some people. I don't think it's cringe, I think it's about what you define being a good father as. There is no right answer, there's only subjective evaluations. Silco causes alot of pain, you can call him evil or a bad person just from that and be justified, but it doesn't mean he is, it means he is in your eyes. Don't let other people's opinions on non-factual things bother you. Good fictiinal representations of people are messy and complicated. It's all about where you draw your lines.
I don't want to sound rude buy the guy on the right is really not good to make reaction video
he got the same face from beginning to end, and that's only when he don't hide himself behind his glove of have his nose in his notebook during the ending scene
@@Alice.59 hey Zakk’s a little shy but he def improved throughout the arcane series and I think if you watch him now he’s even better. He’s an acquired taste for some but he def has great insight and reacts passionately to some great moments. Thanks for the comment! - Shane
@@Alice.59 the beauty of Zack is he is real. He doesn’t fake it. And when he does react it’s even more beautiful because it is a legitimate moment breaking through the hard outer shell. If he didn’t react, it’s because the episode did not warrant a reaction
@@Alice.59 the logic is Zack is putting himself out there. Most won’t. So I wanted to see if you put yourself out there as well.