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I have a question: what shouold I look for if I want some aftermarket cables for my PSU? I'm wanting some flat form factor cables for SATA power to clean up my Torrent build .
The CEO of Artesian was trying to pull the ol’ shady Tech-Bro, “hey, let’s hangout and pay for your meal”, with Steve and GN. Meanwhile, Steve and crew had to channel their inner Black Panther meme and explain “WE DON’T DO THAT HERE…” 😂
Important note: If you need to go through the charge back system for a refund. DO NOT. I repeat DO NOT AT ALL call the transactions fraudulent. Your charge back needs to be written with this information: - The EXACT description of what was ordered (yes get pedantic) - The date that you were most recently aware that you would have gotten the merchandise if the company did not go under - the date the company shut down and was no longer able to give you your merchandise - and the most recent date that you attempted to contact them to resolve the issue - even if they don't respond! They need record for both Visa and MasterCard that an attempt was made. If you call the charges fraud, some banks will take you at face value of it being fraudulent and will deny the claim as you initiated the charge. Please get your chargebacks sent in as soon as physically possible. The sooner you get the chargeback in, the better your chances of getting your funds back.
@@SC-hk6ui that's why the disputes dept. Needs the date that the business ceased operation. Otherwise; you have to wait 15 days after the date you expected to receive before issuing a CB
@@SC-hk6ui You guys are making it into a much bigger deal than what it is. If somebody incorrectly requests a chargeback due to fraud and it's rejected, then they can simply request it a 2nd time for the company's failure to deliver the product as requested. I also worked for a credit card company and processed dispute requests.
It needs to be put as “item not received” along side the information you said Because when a bank see’s “fraud” the will dismiss what is said and instead check to see who, how and where a transaction was authorised and if it shows as a non fraudulent authorisations they do indeed just fail the claim So FFS everyone subject is “item not recieved”
@@markh4750 nope thar is actually wrong you only get one chance to charge back You have clearly never done a chargeback or you are some multimillion black card holder
Very happy Intel gaming went out with a public statement not long after that. That had to be one nail in the coffin. Kicking down streamers while trying to thank sponsor.
@@marcogenovesi8570 very, VERY legal department-friendly, but very clear and targeted still. I'm pretty sure that ass-hat's roasting nicely about now.......
CEO: "This really kills the energy of the drawing process." Actually I'm pretty sure what kills the energy of the giveaway is changing the rules midway because they weren't as profitable to your company as you wanted.
It’s a shame too because those prizes were most likely written off anyway, no reason to be so stingy! He could’ve let that one go and written new rules for the next giveaway!
The most interesting interview would be with the former COO from the east coast. Knowing why he stepped away would be interesting. My guess would be that this company was doomed back then at the hand of the CEO.
it would, unfortunaly i see a nda type of agreement between the company and the former coo. couple to that that artisian is technicaly stil in buisness it might be hard to imposibel to get that interview
Would be good to hear from him but if he was the smart one, there is no way he would talk right now as he wouldn't want to risk getting looped into the lawsuits and possible criminal actions that could be coming.
Holy cow. Watching that "CEO" streaming segment was REALLY painful. As someone with a self-taught "English", I had problems grasping the meaning of "cringe". Well... not anymore I don't!
He didn't even have the good sense to scrub the list before doing the drawing. Sure that wasn't the only blunder he made, but it was a super-public one. It always results in hurt feelings if you announce a "winner", THEN, on camera, check to see if they're eligible. No, scrub the list first, then pick a winner after you sanitize the list. You don't even need to publicly itemize how the list got scrubbed. If someone doesn't know their name got wiped for not trying hard enough they'll have no reason to gripe when all you did was randomly draw a different name. This? This resulted in hurt feelings, and hurt feelings by proxy. that got spread really fast.
@@marhawkman303 It wasnt just that, they aslo changed the rules and amounts , mid drawing. Written down Have continous streams Have banner Have affiliate link Added: Must have x amount of recent streams Added: Must have a certain variable and arbitrary numbers of active watchers Added : Banner must be the most recent one as of drawing, if it released today and noone noticed TOUGH LUCK SUCKERS
@@lacucaracha111111 yeah, not saying he was RIGHT, just clarifying what he did wrong. He had rules for his drawing posted on a website. but during the stream he announced that he'd changed them... but he doesn't even spell out what the new rules are DURING the stream. And there is no official written copy. That's just DUMB, and inviting people to get POed at you.
Hey Steve, Just wanted to let you know that I'm a relatively new viewer of your channel, but I've been super impressed with the quality of your work and content since I have been watching. The first big thing I saw you and your team cover was the Gigabyte power supply issue, and that issue affected me directly. There is at least 1 more safe computer thanks to your journalism. This is just my way of saying keep up the good fight man, you have a stellar team on your side.
@@GamersNexus Once again, Super-Steve and his team of schlieren image and pressure map super powered minions saving the citizens of earth from PSU bombs and evil fire risers!
@@Hugh_I @Gamers Nexus is amazing, from their reviews to their hands on with all the information they can get. Corsair 600T white case was my first and I changed it to the Corsair H500 after his review of it and how much it changed. I wish Corsair would make another case like the 600T, it was a good case for its time. Thanks Steve and your team for all you do.
An interview with the ex-COO would be an interesting one. Not because of why they left Artesian, but how they built the company up to be as successful as it was. Sounds like an absolute gun of a COO, and that sort of competence is in short supply in every industry.
True, but I can't imagine that the guy wants his name out there associated in any way with this train wreck. The last thing he needs in his future is for a google search of his name to bring up Artesian Builds and it's spectacular failure.
Girls get screwed over on the internet - everyone: O NO DATS SO BAD! How can we coddle and send you money? Guy gets screwed over on the internet - everyone: Haha loser, that's what you get for being alive.
It really sounds like the CEO hit the jackpot when he hired the COO. That guy grew the company and things went bad after he left and the CEO was left with something he never built and didn't have the skills to maintain. This really sucks for the employees, I've seen firsthand how destructive a leadership change can be when you go from competence to incompetence.
@@SC-hk6ui leadership incompetence can contribute to economic hardship. Given what we have seen I think the CEO will have a majority of the blame no matter what the economic variables are.
I knew a guy like this CEO once. General duche, great sweetalker, massive narcissist and extremely good manipulator. You are against him? Prepare for all his friends to hear his sob story all sad faces and everything, all while he is gaslighting you publicly in front of the people that side with you. That is how a pathetic sorry excuse of a human being does, and this CEO is no different, all pretty face, narcissism and lies, makes my stomach turn. Keep your eyes peeled it is not going to be long before Noah ends up in some NFT project and/or a cryptoscam ;) Calling it now.
The CEO was way too high on himself, being totally cringe, and somewhat an asshole. Sad to see that people like him causes a downfall for so many others.
Yep, yet another bad egg. I've been through a few positions at various companies in my engineering career. And I can tell you right now, there's no short supply of head-up-ass CEOs and managers that leave a path of employee devastation in their wake. Life is difficult and we need stable jobs, and so it's disgusting when bad managers fuck you over without thinking twice.
There are so many examples of dirtbags somehow running into money or owning a company and their wild egos dominate everything and the people who actually keep the lights on are always the first to suffer. From the NFL to Media companies to small restaurants to a freakin tiny PC builder: the douchebags with money run into the night and KEEP the money whilst everyone else is fked. Greed is the human variable in free-for-all capitalism that infected the USA in the late 60's and led to manufacturing dying, nearly every recession, and our POS duopoly political farce plutocracy that's slowly veering into open oligarchy.
@@jimtekkit it’s worse when these managers have the exact level of cringe this CEO had. Like I’m not here for ur mental RP game. I’m here to do work and further my education.
The guy tried to cater so hard to influencers to the point where it started seeping into both his priorities and ego. It's quite sad that Mr. "Star-Lord" somehow still doesn't realize the damage he had caused not to his own company, but to his employees, the people he was responsible for.
The "company" was a front for the CEO's shady practices, which as we found out included tax evasion, so of course the whole thing would fold. It's not just the giveaway fuck up. That simply uncovered a shitty guy's entire scheme.
The company didn't just drop dead after the CEO had a bit of drama. My take is the CEO was an ignorant showpiece who only succeeded because he had a top notch COO who did all the real work. The company began its decline when he left and while the CEO stupidly accelerated the decline the end result was all but inevitable once the COO left.
I f-ing love that gamers nexus went from being a great IT channel for PC gamers to being not only that but evolving into a channel that actively looks out and advocates for the community. Its so great from a consumer stand point and it also makes for amazing content to watch!
It's really some hard hitting investigative journalism, Steve has done an amazing job and really impressed me with his level of professionalism thru so many different stories.
Yep, the fact that theyre actively trying to improve the entire industry is incredible. Helping the guys that lost their jobs to find new ones is above and beyond.
They really do play the same part in the PC industry as media in general does for the public. Helps promote the transparency. Really love their work. Straight to the point, no bs, just telling it as it is.
That CEO sounds like the car Dealer no one ever wants to deal with. Such a scammer tone. Also yes changing a contest rules during the give away is highly illegal. It's up there with Ponzi schemes in federal law.
Here in Québec people like to whine about our lottery and contest laws that exclude us from most worlwide / North-American contests. Thing is that these laws make it impossible to pull such scams. Companies exclude us from their contests because 8million people isn't worth the hassle of hiring a legal conselor and spending the time to follow our consumer protection rules.
@@lateve6243 It's illegal here too. The only reason I don't think they have charged them with it is because they are already in big trouble with the tax man. Either way the company is done.
Yeah, if only more crooks were that obvious. There are ones who self-BS so hard that it is hard to read from their demeanor. I fell for a couple of that type, and it only honed my BS detector further. I also personally participated in a marketing contest (for the game console Ouya) where they changed the winner selection process mid-contest and turned it from an apparent baiting through skill emphasis into a pure social media self-promotion contest.
To be honest, it wasn't the "little poor streamer" that took down their company... It was them themselves, and the community. Think of the streamer as the ammunition the community was waiting for.
What about the other people denied the prize just the same when they were drawn up and didn't meet their last minute criteria? She wasn't the only small stream crapped on, just the only one who had her complaints taken seriously on social media.
The US Government "and then we break our own rules by allowing the federal reserve to print money in a fractional reserve baking system and call you a domestic terrorist if you call us out our for hypocrisy."
@@bappo456 I think you'll find that the Federal Reserve's mechanisms to control the money supply in a fractional reserve banking system are written in "the rules". Particularly the Federal Reserve Act. Also an act of violence is required to be charged with terrorism under US law, so the government won't call you a domestic terrorist for saying really anything. I don't think being publicly ignorant of monetary policy counts as sedition either.
Leave it to Steve to have the professionalism (even when it doesn't necessarily call for it considering what Noah has done and been doing) to prompt a possible discussion about what happened with Artesian. Something I genuinely thought no one was going to do after how easy it is to just dogpile onto the situation. Thank you GN for everything you guys continue to do, and with such professionalism at that. Also, trying to help those employees that got dropped from Artesian is massive. Although you can't promise them positions anywhere in particular... The fact you at least have connections and are still more than willing to send those that have the credentials onto a far better path than Artesian was taking them says A LOT. Especially when compared to what they just had to go through... Thanks again GN team
@@ttww1590 Please do explain how this is not professionalism on GN's part. Steve (and the team) took every respectful avenue they could to give Noah the chance to explain what happened. They didn't initialize the conversation with Noah publicly at all, they clarified their intentions with the interview and from the beginning stated how they wanted it all on record. Where in this video was Steve preaching to the faithful? The company is essentially dissolved as far as Steve is concerned, and at most he wants the customers to get their pc's (which they can't now, so a refund hopefully) and the employees to be able to find work after a mistake their employer made effected their livelihood.
@@trashtalker420 Seems to me he's having discussions with these companies and people to maintain the integrity the pc community is known for having when it comes to looking out for each other. His channel is a tech-related channel... Artesian is an SI that should be held with accountability just as NewEgg should be. I don't know why people are so fast to assume genuine care over a community automatically means there's inauthenticity in what they're doing. Not to mention it requires him to spend money and many hours to create this 'easy content'.
Yeah I feel sorry for all the people just trying to do their job. Who had nothing to do with the actions of their bosses. Hopefully all these people will find a job with a new company, that will treat them better and if lucky enough, will pay better as well. For with the way the company ceo acted. I have to wonder, just how well they treated their staff members, given their treatment of small streamers. Since well the one who should be punished for these things is their boss, not the staff who had nothing to do with it. For it sucks big time to lose your job, over the faults of idiots higher ups that you had no control over.
They speedran destroying their company and reputation. Noah seemed like he kept trying to make it about himself in the emails. This isn't a 'buddy-buddy' scenario. Feel bad for all the employees who lost their jobs, but hope they find something better. Happy you're offering to help the employees.
Based on his disregard for others, lack of genuine apologies, and guilt tripping ex. with the sad emoji face, Noah seems like a narcissist. These kinds of people should not be running companies. Glad that the company is destroyed, but feel terrible for the innocent employees who have lost their jobs
@@Sysor0 it''s pretty clear that he really doesn't understand or even think about the ramifications of his actions, particularly around his former employees. They didn't deserve to have Noah as CEO..
Dude made 50 people lost their jobs in this awful time and he answered it with " :( " He treated his employees like disposable pawns. C'mon man, you're not Jeff Bezos.
And even Jeff Bezos doing that is a problem in and of itself. But yeh, this really busts the myth that "entrepreneurs" are somehow just more intelligent than us lowly peons.
He was so cringe worthy in the video segment played in this video, everything about the way he spoke and the way he reacted changing the rules on the fly was just CRINGE
It really sounds like the COO was the one handling the operations and keeping the books in check. The CEO was pushing for giveaways on social media without regards to operations and especially the financial side of things. When the COO left the CEO went wild and ended up bankrupting the company. On top of this there seems to be several legal actions that are taking place to complicate the matter.
I feel this all points to a perfect way out for almost everyone involved. The CEO will try to run up some investors to restart the company, but if the former COO gets to them first, they can do do one better: build a new company, with an as of yet untarnished reputation, with the former COO as the new CEO, without the toxic bits of management, and he can scoop up all these trained skilled workers who are now fresh out of job and it'll be pretty smooth sailing. I'm sure a new company staffed with these fine people will do financially a lot better than trying to rescue that dumpster fire.
Indeed, the COO left in November, so if he was running (and let's be clear here, it seems like he was the one actually running the company and keeping it afloat) well back then and left it in a good state, I could see Noah burning through it all in 5 months for it to have ended up how it did.
There is no "Outside Counsel". This is just a stalling technique to hide as much money as he can until he claims bankruptcy. It's sad this CEO will escape with a fortune while everyone else gets screwed.
I was one of the Twitch Ambassadors and there was a lot of drama behind the scenes on the private twitter dm group as well. If it was "just" the streamer give away, it could have easily be resolved by apologizing and just taking the loss. But there was a lot of drama about treatment of the employments as well, ambassador payouts after referrals~ Angel, one of the good employees there was always really kind to us, will miss them and I hope you can help some of the employees that just lost their job like that.
@@anaryl We did speak out and we got removed. It's on our Twitter, even before this exploded. We are Ambassadors not employees, we spoke out and we got removed, some of us left to show our disdain and no longer support them through social media influence. We did our due diligence. And that was already on mistreatment they did to some employees. And thats before the streamer give away rule changing scam. And after all this happened, we also used our social media influence to bring it to the attention to the masses. We did more then just a random stranger on the internet saying after what happened that they find it disturbing and or disgusting. So no, we aren't complicit and we did everything right. We spoke out, we left, we stopped our support and we rang the bell on all major social platforms. And after the events we continued spreading the word. Redirect your anger to the actual company and their management.
The CEO has mention that his role model is Linus and seeing the way he behaves screams of trying to be like Linus, aka a fun leader that doesn't things too seriously and memeing and so on . The difference is of course that Linus is a professional. While he acts like a goof, it's clear from behind the scenes that Linus takes his job very seriously, has a good grasp on business and so on. Plus he is making sure to take of his community. And this is why Linus is the position that he is today. Sure, I don't doubt that Linus's on screen persona isn't unlike how he is IRL but from what people has told about it, he is very business minded (in a positive way) and that's why he is so respected. Noah Katz attitude and behaviour would never get him on the same level as Linus.
100% right on that analysis. Linus is incredibly skilled in running a successful business and has worked his way up. He's a fun guy to be around, but it's very clear that he's fiercely professional about his work.
Guess Noah forgot a very important part about watching somebody else's videos: he's not seeing _everything_ Linus does. He's seeing a few little bits and piece here and there that are meant to be entertaining. He's forgetting that the whole "properly running a business" is happening when the cameras are off.
Plus he has a Yvonne alongside him who he has said a number of times keeps him in check but also to grasp the details that he may not have the time or inclination to deal with. The LMG and GN company ethic is clear in this that it is an employee focused
I caught that in the way that he speaks, too. Trying to give that same vibe. Like hey, I really like Linus too, but I can appreciate that there's no friggin way he built his empire by being his on camera persona 24/7. In fact, I like the LMG videos that are "darker" and on more serious notes because it gives me a glimmer of the true business person he is. I also so appreciate GN's dedication to professionalism and consumer protection here too, and I can tell Steve and team do not fuck around when it comes down to issues that effect real people. From last year's garbage hardware to this incident, it's nice to see that kind of integrity. I try and bring that balance into my professional life as well. I'm a great, fun person to be around (on camera persona) but if I need something done that's going to potentially impact a customer or the company, I get serious and unyielding very quickly. I think it actually has a better effect than always being serious, because seeing that change in persona is jarring enough that people listen.
"Steve Loses It" is the best chapter title ever. Steve and GN, thank you for being who y'all are! Accountability has disappeared in our society and I love seeing others fight for it.
@@neonlights_12 Unfortunately he's been losing his sanity for reasons many of us would lose ours, not the least of which is incompetent business management
I had a boss like him once. Outrageous behaviour with seemingly little regard for boundaries, larger than life personality to the point of being cringe-inducing. Employees just generally being taken advantage of, strung along and guilt tripped constantly, worst cases involved verbal abuse and threats. He was a narcissist and a sociopath. These emails you showed are eerily similar. Gave me goosebumps and brought back some traumatic memories. Glad you want nothing to do with him.
I will never understand the motivations for company leadership to pee in their own pool; if Katz had the tiniest shred of hope of resurrecting himself or AB in the tech social media space, he needed to proceed in at least what would appear to be a good faith effort. Instead, his actions give the appearance that he is self-indulgent and delusional enough to believe that he is the victim here and will build a bandwagon of "this is my reward for trying to be a nice guy and giving away computers." A wagon which nobody else will ride.
they are so disconnected from the real world while being convinced they have 100% understanding of it. Cocaine for example has this effect, and has sunk a lot of companies
@@marcogenovesi8570 Agreed, but in Katz' case, based on the coverage I've seen, this is little more than good old fashioned hubris. Katz is young, his company experienced explosive growth in a short period of time, and suddenly what began as an ego-stroking sandbox rapidly turned into a serious situation in which the livelihood of dozens of people depended on his transition to a responsible and mindful leader. You have to put the interests of your staff before your own, and the scope of this failure far exceeds his failure to his customers.
Just a note from the 15:00 mark where Steve recommends calling your bank and reporting any charge as fraudulent because you would not be getting your build. You should call and initiate a dispute but NOT report fraud. Reporting fraud means you have to get a new card and then they process your transaction as a fraud claim which would be denied (because you did initiate it) and then (if your lucky and depending on the bank) your claim may be shuffled into the disputes team. Call and do a product 'not received dispute' and tell them you cannot resolve it with the merchant because they have no staff to resolve the issue given the layoffs. This will prevent the need for replacing the card and will get your dispute to the right team for resolution. Signed - A guy who has been in card operations for 19 years... and has done disputes with both Visa/MasterCard's back end systems.
Lost it at the office reference. Also GN is doing some insane stuff lately. These are all amazing. Artesians builds already wanting to take the march spot for disappointment 2022.
@@exxor9108 Totally agree. It seems like the employees were passionate about PC building, but Noah just wasn't mature enough to be running a business like that.
"We are sorry that we got found out. Please give money." Screw that CEO. Screw him and his shoddy business. Not to mention people having had major issues with their PCs. Under sponsorship no less.
Damn Steve, Going out and helping those employees who got shafted by trying to get them new jobs....That's incredible man, I mean 100% amazing. You are one hell of a good guy. RESPECT!
He is a great human being, I love how he brought Justice to Newegg customers. Steve should make this a regular series and keep all tech companies on their toes.
I feel bad for the employees, they seem like they really enjoyed their jobs and wanted to treat customers right. But, they had a CEO that saw this as his own playground like a real-life version of The Sims. He had no idea what he was doing and it seems like he only wanted to do the fun parts of being your own boss and ignored the hard parts until the whole business collapsed. His email responses were not those of a businessman but as of a rich kid whose dad bought them a business as a birthday gift.
Hopefully other IT and PC building companies can hire them because they have experience and do not want to be affiliated with the CEO and his business practices.
Yup, the random guy who kept the offices clean, he wasn't trying to change contest rules on stream. He was just the guy who kept the bathrooms clean. Those are the people who get fucked over the most, because of their dip shit CEO. Hopefully these people find new jobs asap.
With all this, as Linus mentioned, the PC community really did turn this into a positive outcome to the best of their ability. With Jay and many others offering to build the winner a PC, your team sending out resumes of the former employees, etc. I'm truly amazed by the wonderful things that this community has done to protect each other.
“And on the 12th day of the company closure, tech Jesus took in several abandoned tech engineers and began the journey to bring his followers to prosperous lands” Seriously though Steve, what an incredible dude you are. So much love and appreciation for you and your crew and all the great things you do for our expansive community
This guy is very humble I really appreciate his effort to do this kind of work, it’s harsh but I really respect people that put principles over emotions in this kind of topics
I LOVE the direction that GN has been going. The tech space is flooded by high quality reviewers. Steve is doing a new angle that really shows their strengths which is integrity. A nice spin of new content and we love it!!!
When my company went belly up we managed to cover almost all debt except for a months worth of pay for two employees (Around 4k€, including taxes, health insurance, etc.). It took me almost two years to work out the feelings of guilt I had for letting them down. Katz is more than tone-deaf, I'd wager there's something wrong with the way his mind works.
I think we can guess at this point that the COO left because they realized the CEO was a child with no clue how to run a business and wanted to be internet famous. That and the sheer level of slimy behavior on his part with the staff and the customers is actually kind of impressive in a sick way.
From all the videos I've watch, that's all the CEO cares for. Being Internet famous. I've seen clips of him comparing his company to being what Linus would've been if Linus went SI route. Noah is so full of himself. I didn't even know who he was until Jayz video on the whole situation and getting Mia a PC.
I think his lawyer team is part of the problem. I live in So. Cal. I've worked for large bankruptcy factories before. I've worked for companies that milk their accounts payable in that time. Basically you generate purchase orders, buy materials, then ghost the supplier to avoid paying them cash. When one supplier stops supplying you, you find another. I have never worked for a company that milks their customers to get money generating claims for bankruptcy court(I have had to however work WITH companies that do this). Those companies go bankrupt once and vanish. Those CEOs go to criminal court because it is in fact fraud and theft.
@@Grimmwoldds He certainly in a lot of trouble. Its why i referred to him as a child because the behavior akin to one who thinks they can skate away from any real consequences. Soon now realty is about to bite a certain someone right in the ass.
Hey Steve i just watched Linus' video about the collapse of Artesian. Huge hats off to you and GN for reaching out to their former employees that had no warning about the company folding and being out of a job. I really appreciate you helping them out in their job search too. You're a great person and your channel is out to help the public. Keep up the great work :)
The CEO screams entitlement. It seems every time he speaks, someone else is at fault. Aside from him wanting to become twitch famous, the way he talks about ambassadors and partners as if he's some sort of merciful god is very telling. He has zero remorse for his actions because he probably was handed a lot of things without the threat of consequence.
I don't know much about his side of things until Jay brought it up ,had a look at thier web page , Mr Beast is shown, I think this guy wants be big like Mr Beast, I heard 10 min interview Mr Beast and Joe rogen, Mr Beast is smart guy .
Agreed. Seems kinda like he was viewing the opportunity to meet with GN as an opportunity to rub elbows with "players" in the industry. Rather than a PR opportunity.
Might be a tad narcissistic and sociopathic. Just a tad. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that all the workers were fired. Now the COO that used to run the day to day operation in the production centre and was fed up with taking the CEO's bullshit, can just scoop them all up and give these skilled workers an actually nice new job. Every possible investor that CEO might run to, to try to secure some money to resume operation should be like "OK why would we feed the dumpster fire - we can have the COO and the old production team build a new company unburdened by the existing debts and the tarnished name, and it'll be better and more lucrative"
This dude is a classic LA sociopath. The way he destroyed lives to run off with the money, instead of just taking the blame and stepping down. The insane confidence he exudes while playing up the "sushi-eating, buzzword-spewing, yuppie" stereotype is disgusting and infuriating.
Agreed, this behavior is common with people trying to live the LA, SF, silicon valley lifestyle. I am very careful about buying anything from these types of people.
26 mins delving into the situation, good luck getting regular news agencies to spend 20-30 mins per story! Let alone the hours of work before recording!
"MY company, MY computers", well there is your first issue. There is only one person that works at Artesian builds. The rest are just passing through. Your second issue is, that is INTELS computer. They sponsor you so you don't have to do DISGUSTING things for your company to stay alive, like scam people.
you also forget that these sponsored giveaways will have contracts involved and that pretty much every state has laws regarding both giveaways and advertisement.
I've dealt with people like this before. There's no way to get them to break character. He'll treat it like two buddies having a casual chat and will get angry when he can't control the results -- no mater how much effort you put into trying to explain that he can't control the results.
@@crowdemon_archives Care to name names, since we're apparently throwing shade? A statement like that doesn't tell anyone anything. I'm still a person that forms their own opinions, tho it's getting harder and harder to find neutral takes on things to base my opinions on.
When a tech guy who is known for testing PC parts has more journalistic integrity than current large scale journalists says a great deal. Keep up the good work Steve!
Honestly such a rare thing to see in modern society. He is chill enough and yet professional without it being a flaw or drawback. Honestly GN is like the most scary generalist I know of to date. No BS and yet manages to make scummy people/companies look like they have the grim reaper of sales knocking on there door. But still go out of the way to let them show what they got. Being fair and realistic. :)
The PC gaming sphere is so blessed to have so many content creators like LTT, Jay, and GamersNexus that are just honesty looking out for the community.
I wouldn't trust LTT to run a lemonade stand, let alone work as a content creator. The Madison and Billet Labs situations were the "one-two punch" in dropping them like Linus drops expensive PC parts.
Loving this new direction of interviews keeping the industry honest. Not that you haven't been doing that for years, but this recent focus is something that is sorely needed and you guys have the credibility to do it. Keep it up!
Wow, 50 ppl with no job today, it's really tough. I'm unemployed myself and trying to do something from 0. It is so damn hard. I'm glad that you guys at GN take care of the people and try to help to get a job. Thank you Steve.
I know the feeling. I've been out of a job for two years now. Been living off of an inheritance that my father left me when he passed away a year and a half ago. Unemployment stopped payments last year, and I just lost my SNAP benefits. Cruel world.
Christ, this is one hell of a dumpster fire. From what it seems, the CEO is such a sociopath that he is able to instantly dismantle the entire company and fire 50 people while acting like nothing of consequence happened... Essentially, cutting his losses and running like a coward. What a pathetic waste of oxygen. I hope the lawsuits that come after him will leave him penniless and hopeless, as that is the only way a sociopath learns any lessons, via severe consequences.
Well said OP. It’s always a spectrum. Say what you like! Long lived free speech! This type of person will likely just move on to create another company with predatory practices such is the pervasiveness of the delusional Corpo mentality these days, it is the staple of contemporary Predatory Capitalism. Not that far removed from psychopathy or sociopathy …or vampirism for that matter.
If you watched any of their past streams you would see that Noah pontificates and has a huge ego. Ironically he is also a huge left wing nut, it's funny how he is so capitalistic in trying to cheat the small streamer and the way he is handling dismantling his company. I don't feel sorry whatsoever for this person.
I can honestly say, I stumbled across your Alienware review (after purchase) and agreed with every thing you said. This pops up in my feed and I'm hooked, you're pretty great at what you do. Easy to listen to, you also have, and this is weird to say, a heart, crazy to think that people exist only to cater to themselves, and it's weird to see people worry more about others than themselves these days. "Take care of you're people, and your people will take care of you" that's like, rule number one! But you sir, are making it clear that your people, viewers, friends, employees are what your main goal is, and that my friend is some inspiring stuff. Thanks for setting the tone.
There’s absolutely truth to don’t judge a book by it’s cover, but some people you can just see it in their face, let alone how they talk and mannerisms, and this Noah just has a$$hole written all over him.
You were right to ditch Noah, he comes across as a right bellend both in email and on the stream. I agree it just seemed like a play thing to him and the COO was the one actually keeping things going. Also amazing gesture to offer to use you contacts to try and open doors for former employees, who genuinely sounded like they had passion for their job, their industry and customers.
I HAVE NOOOO JOB NOW AFTER 130 PC BUILDS NOW I EAT OUT THE TRASH CAN ON THE STREEET TY INTERNET FOR MAKING ME HOMELESS GUES SU CANT JUST HATE SOMEONE U DONT LIKE LIKE EVERYONE ESL
Even though I'm in my early 50's, I have been a huge fan of GN for a few years now as I greatly appreciate your no BS policies. To you and the entire GN team, keep up the fantastic work and huge kudo's to you as well for trying to help the former employees to find new and definitely better employment.
When I had my small boutique PC building business (until lockdown), this is the epitome of what I stood against. I have no sleep lost over whatever repercussions will come his way. This is conduct far worse than big box retailers.
Steve, I just realized this. Raffles, give away, and other such "prize related promotions" are regulated by either the FTC and/or the IRS. Artesian Builds might be in legal hot water for 1. Not reporting raffle build winners (PCs have monetary value) and 2. changing the rules mid giveaway without informing the participants first. It would be as if the Powerball or the Megamillions lottery changed ball sets (number of balls) right before or during a drawing, You can't do that legally. And states where these promotions are running will also have rules as well. I suspect that the legal and financial ramifications of this might have caught up to them, and shuttering the company may be their attempt at avoiding those obligations. They probably flew under the radar because of their size, but when this story blew up, it probably drew attention of state and/or federal regulators. Oops.
Hoeg Law did a video about them and the difference between a raffle and a lottery. He's not their lawyer so he can't say if that they did was illegal or not but he did suggest some folks might want to talk to an attorney so make of that what you will.
From a purely legal standpoint they are probably in hot water. The problem is I doubt anyone cares enough to pay the legal fees to sue a company over this, especially considering it’s about to disappear and there soon will be nothing left. A state might or another legal body, but probably won’t be fast enough and I’m sure that the CEO will manage to weasel out of it
FTC yes, IRS no. IRS is strictly tax related issues as well as funding in resulting to a bill passed in congress. IRS has nothing to do with raffels, etc. except to tax the person(s) and/or companies receiving the good (or goods), as such maybe subject to being taxed based on values. From what I understand, if such item or items are above a certain value, the company must submit tax documents so consumer pays tax and consumer is aware of that. FTC - Federal Trade Commission - They deal many situations that has to do with B2B (Business to Business) & B2C (Business to Consumer) transactions. Basically, businesses have to follow rules as established by FTC as well as other local laws, licenses, etc. depending on what is being "traded". As far as prizes and things, that mainly depends on local jurisdictions. Raffles, giveaways, and other related terms may be subject to Gambling and/or Game Commissions within such locations. I'm no lawyer, but this is just based on what I have researched.
@@Dragoonski Company? No, I'd not be interested in suing the company. CEO, on the other hand, yeah. I want your house, your car, any other financial assets, and I want you out on the street by tomorrow. Oh and I want your business license permanently revoked. What would I do with all that? Give it to someone (or multiple people) who deserve it. Because clearly the CEO doesn't.
The business license (that's basically what the "tax issue" is-they haven't kept up paying for theirs) could have been resolved in mere minutes by writing a check and filing a single form. This whole thing is a collection of continuous mistakes largely by one person who's too impressed with himself. It's like watching a train wreck set up and driven by Noah DoucheLord himself. That it basically ended the jobs of 40-50 people is truly heartbreaking. But I guess running a "giveaway" with ever-changing rules, random chance, a prize, and consideration (e.g. he gets and in fact demands something out of it), across state lines and where one of those states is California … To say nothing of his relationship with Intel and that whole hostage situation "apology" video, DoucheLord is in a whole pile of legal shit if someone decides they want to prosecute him for running an illegal lottery. In which he changed the rules multiple times after people had won. In California. Where they mercilessly enforce laws against those things which contain teeth. It's a good thing he didn't livestream himself doing those things or publish in writing that he has done, is doing, and intends to continue to do these things while being the hero of his own mind. I feel bad for the people who worked for him. But Noah DoucheLord can eat an entire bag of dicks.
wasnt the tax issue the fact that they were reducing the taxes using a full price of the PCs despite the fact that the parts were sponsored by another company (Intel in this case). Another thing is also during the sweapstakes you cannot deny the rewards as long as the participants didnt broken the written rules - its a criminal offence in that state for example. You cannot also change the rules while the sweapstake is running.
I just want to understand the name of the company. Wtf does Artesian have to do with computers? Or custom computers. Artisan, now I'd get that. That would make sense. But Artesian??? Friggin wells? I dunno dude did kinda throw it all down a well in the end I guess.
My heart goes out to the employees who were probably doing something they actually loved under what I can only describe as a clown. I watched a good chunk of the artesian stream and was honestly disgusted. His initial “ambassador” who won literally got shit on because the following that person had wasn’t enough for Katz and it just got worse. Honestly Steve and I mean no additional disrespect to Noah but you really dodged a bullet not taking the interview. Also thank you for trying to do something for those who were just shafted by the CEO
Holy crap Steve, you're doing some absolutely necessary work, and the whole flying out to do interviews is something that I feel is more than necessary when doing this sort of Journalism, it makes the whole ordeal more genuine, for everyone. Congrats to the whole of GN, y'all rock.
It seems to me that Noah Katz was less inclined to deal with the day-to-day operations of running a business, and much more inclined to make himself famous. In that, he succeeded beyond his wildest expectations. Noah Katz is now wicked famous; though I am sure it's not exactly what he intended.
The few clips of Noah that you included in the video make it crystal clear he had no business being in charge of anything, let alone a company. Do people really equate being sleezy with being a leader? Do other people find that kind of character trustworthy or sincere? Confidence without any self-awareness should be an immediate red flag, not something to celebrate. My hope in humanity continues to dwindle.
That's not the issue. There are plenty of CEO's who appear to be a bit questionable. But when your company makes 3 million a year annually and you're paid well, you keep your mouth shut if it's tolerable. It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold...MAKES THE RULES. And this kid obviously had the gold. Trouble was, like many have speculated and it seemed obvious (my guess is), he was an intelligent sociopath (I estimate around the maturity level of a 14 year old) born into a wealthy family who just didn't have enough experience to keep up with, let alone handle the kind of fast growing company he was involved with. He was obviously more concerned about his own personal image (vanity) above all else which shows when he's on camera. I used to be in broadcasting and I could always tell when someone who was star struck on themselves how they behaved in front of a camera. This guy's message was LOUD AND CLEAR who the boss was, WHO had the POWER, and WHO made the rules of the contest! I've never known a CEO, young or not, that wasn't EXTREMELY reserved and careful about what they say in public. In fact, I'm surprised he made any appearance at all during that live stream. When he did and started shooting his mouth off like a schoolboy, I thought...oh boy he's gonna put his foot in his mouth! Look up some younger geeky videos of Bill Gates CEO of Microsoft back in the 80's when he was just a young man. See the difference??? He may have looked young and stupid but he ALWAYS chose his words CAREFULLY! And what he said always sounded mature and intelligent. Compare that with ArtisianBoy here and you have complete opposites! nuf said. Thanks Steve for stepping in, exposing the truth and assisting with new employment for team members thrown to the curb. I saw what Jayz did too and it was totally awesome that he just immediately counter acted the CEO's Contest switch after drawing the winners name and declaring the winner UNQUALIFIED to win said PC due to the fact that he decided to CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE WINNER HAD ALREADY BEEN DRAWN ( which would've been a total lawsuit in and of itself by the way). Jayz channel showed a video of him counteracting that action by him driving down to MicroCenter and personally buying all the parts to make her a killer computer system and build it HIMSELF from scratch, then SHIP IT TO HER! So, in the end...she STILL got her FREE computer. NOW THAT....was a cool ending to such a sad...scam....rip off story! Thanks JAY!!!
i mean considering elon musk until recently was the wealthiest man in the world, yes! the rich aren't smarter than the rest of us and working for them makes that abundantly clear, it's about time people rid themselves of this idea that rich people are smart.
Working for this company was so rewarding. When you weren’t talking to Noah. Or working with Noah. So sad that so many staff lost their jobs I hope my colleagues can find comfort elsewhere
I feel bad for all the Artesian employees for having such a shithead at the helm running this company but good on you Steve for trying to reach out to [former] employees of Artesian to try to help them find new work 👏
Shit like this is way more common than you think. They are even some that are just hold together buy a few key employees and when they leave shit hits the fan.
There's plenty of shitheads around that employ loads of people and are lauded as celebrities/geniuses. Elon Musk is a case in point. His time will come.
Don't feel bad, he had 50 employees but NOT A SINGLE ONE bothered to do anything productive about it. You could even say they were all 100% complicity until they stopped being paid. Not so different from the CEO, and that says to me the company was in deep trouble already and probably killed on purpose as a tax fraud plot.
The gall of stating in an email that Steve is one of their idols in the tech world, while simultaneously being someone Steve would absolutely despise is so fucking aggravating to me.
At this point, I feel Steve is actually becoming a Tech Jesus, not just by looks, but now by deed. Trying to get the ex-employees hired elsewhere. This is an Amazing guy.
@@kouyasakurada5547 This much is fine, I honestly think Steve is behaving with more integrity than the average youtuber/person. And that is fine to point out.
@@kouyasakurada5547 he's not "putting him" anywhere, he just made a reference. immediately looking for things to complain about after reading a comment definitely is toxic however
tbh, I never heard of the company, but it pretty much sounds like the "boss runs the high profile branch where he hired some of his friends while the other branch has to pay for it on minimum wage. boss of the other branch quits over it and CEO thinks he can manage" story found almost everywhere on reddit. As for the bankrupcy, it's not uncommon for stock normally used in liquidation for refunds etc. suddenly vanishes, sometimes into the warehouse of a new company from the same owner. I hope the staff that did the honest work finds new jobs in a serious company.
When he gets out of prison. Changing the rules of a contest multiple times, across state lines, ordering all refunds cancelled and then all production cancelled too, and running an illegal lottery (chance, prize, and the demand of something in return for the contest) are all criminal offenses. Which run afoul of consumer protection laws. In California. He commited consumer protection fraud crimes in California. He's fucked. That's also assuming someone doesn't make a serious case that he's deliberately running a pyramid scheme, which is also illegal. MLMs skirt a fine line with legal precision and finesse. Noah DoucheLord Katz does not have those qualities. At all.
Yup. He seemed to think he could just bullshit his way out of trouble. He probably still thinks he can, if only he can generate enough bullshit. It looks like they were circling the drain under the direction of Noah Starlord, but he added a spectacularly stupid flourish to it.
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Holy sheet, Artesian fired their employees on the 3rd paragraph of a "attn y'all" msg, treating the firings as if it was some tertiary down the list of importance. Artesian really does not think highly of their employees. Shame this wasn't a co-op, the employees could have fired the CEO long ago and kept their jobs.
I spent most of this video thinking along the lines of "I wonder if Steve and Jay (due to locations) can help these people potentially get some new employment." When you mentioned gathering their info and trying to help them out I realized the true reason I love Gamers Nexus and why I continue to support and watch. Like you said, there's not much more of a story here, seem like one person had a different plan for a company that was appently doing good work in spite of his efforts. Let him keep chasing streamers and you guys can help out the people who made the company what it was and did the real work. "Thanks Steve" and the team for being a force for good. All of your work is greatly appreciated.
Yeah i think the disaster has been half a year in the making, given COO quit in november. It probably took at least months if not years until that person could no longer take the bullshit from above.
@@the-shork yea I know that but the his actions in the last week took the company down. It would have been afloat longer, they had the clientel to keep the company running. His actions made them lose all their sponsors, lost complete public confidence, alienated their whole consumer base, and potentially, saw someone was an attorney in another state say that his actions were illegal opened a huge huge lawsuit from the government. I pretty much can say with confidence he destroyed the company in a week.
@@mugenxfromxthex8962 no. Their tax status was suspended. This has nothing to do with giving streamer builds or any of that. And they do have clients. They have over 6 months of back orders... What are you even talking about.
@@UsaRubber I honestly have no clue wtf you're talking about. You bring up their tax status suspension for I don't know what reason then you say they have clients which is exactly what I said.
too often there's a "common sense policy" that sees these types of arrogant, heartless people as the best fit for the job. in the end, they don't care enough to save their company because it'll be easier for them to just move on
It really does warm my heart that in a world rife with cynical and shady corporations and businessmen, we have guys like the GN team fighting the good fight
Yes, yes, corporations and profit oriented businesses are your friends. Now buy some merch for you and your family to show your appreciation for the good fight.
Steve is like a beacon of truth and honesty. Keep doing what your doing and I will like, up vote and recommend the work you do. It actually reinforces the quality and honesty of the reviews and recommendations that you produce.
@@DGP406 its not intrinsically evil to run a business that uses it's platform to independently report on the wrong doing of the world. believe it or not, in this capitalistically society we've entombed ourselves in one does need a little bit of money to get places.
@@DGP406 yes yes, anyone richer or more powerful than you is out to get you. anything capitalist or profit-oriented is inherently evil, something something 1%. I'm sure you've completely insulated yourself from any goods, services, an/or content that is created by the exploitation of labor. My hero.
The fact that Noah took a totally recoverable situation into the death of his company, is so comical. The fact that he allowed his big, douchebag ego to step in, is the real kicker in all of this. I feel terrible for the employees that have lost their jobs and for kiapiaa, because she clearly won the giveaway. Thanks for bringing awareness to this, Steve. You have my full support.
@@Dr.BrightM I saw that Jayz episode where he built that pc for her. The moment i saw what had happened i just knew Artesian wasn't gonna last for much longer. A so called "CEO" , which is in fact a douchebag, that pulls stupid sh*t like that...bound for disaster.
Never trust a CEO in a leather jacket. Or just never trust a CEO. The fact that Steve had to stop and tell waiting customers to cancel the charges shows he cares more about the customers than the CEO does.
not all CEO's are bad, but the truth is to get into upper management you have to have some degree of narcissism mixed with a high degree of conscientousness and personal ability. The problem here is the guy has nothing but narcissism.
This contains the more clips of the original video than I have seen previously. That CEO is so smug and unpleasent that twice now during clips I've thought "this guy is painful to watch I'm going to close this" only to remember as I'm grabbing my mouse that Steve will be back in a moment and everything will be good again.
The beauty of this whole situation is that the little streamer he dumped on so gleefully as a nothing is in no small part the domino pusher and why they're going bye bye. I hope their employees find much more rewarding employment, which admittedly shouldn't be very difficult. EDIT: Newegg is very thankful for Noah right about now.
@Jon said "Newegg is very thankful for Noah right about now." That thought crossed my mind, too... I hope they also consider how easily their last second shenanigans could have put them in a similar boat...
Actually doubt the stream had any effect on the collapse of the business, it just meant many eyes were watching this company when it unraveled. Even if the orders stopped coming in entirely, it was far to soon for this type of impact. The COO leaving in November was a huge red flag to the real issues behind the collapse. Changing the Giveaway Rules mid stream seems as if it was a symptom of the imminent collapse, and the poor business decisions that led to it, like NOT paying State taxes. Suspension of business Notification, for not paying the Government won't come out of the blue, CEO knew it was coming, and likely knew 3 months ago when the COO resigned.
Given how the CEO seems to have made EXACTLY the wrong decision at every point since the drawing, I can only wonder at how many bad decisions before it will soon be revealed.
@@gitrekt-gudson eh... Yeah, but also... Give a half competent sales rep and an entertaining "face", not hard to have an initial growth spurt. Before the stupidity catches up with them.
@@gitrekt-gudson The COO do all the real work and grow the company to much bigger than it was but get rejected when asking for a raise and ofc COO left the company and it went downhill after that
I feel awful for the employees that worked for such an incompetent ceo after the coo left. Noah Katz is shockingly immature to hold that sort of responsibility
These pieces are some of my favourite done on TH-cam at the moment by anyone, not for the factor of the drama but for the reality, honesty and integrity behind all of it. Thank you Steve and the team, you're being heard and you're important as heck in this space. Keep it up.
It's incredible how the CEO treated everything almost as a joke while the company was going up in flames. Great job as always Steve, GN is always growing in quality thanks to you
“Why should we have to obey tax or sweepstakes laws? Can’t you see we are giving away PCs for /free/? (*only valid if you have enough subscribers to afford the PC anyway.)” Idk, I think the employees got lucky long term. I think a sudden company death gives the employees some benefits. Firing a certain number of people at once, for example, forces the company to provide severance pay for all lost employees. Probably better than the company slowly leaking air through a series of small but continuous layoffs.
I am so impressed with your absolute integrity on this and the other stuff you've done. It's so heartwarming to know to watch as you have the courage to actually show yourself working out the morality of all of this in front of the camera. Very impressive. When I first subbed to your channel I was mainly in for your hardware news, but in the last year plus you've really grown as a team and it makes me feel like a proud mama bear to see it.
I've been dealing with a true sociopath in my life for almost 10 years now. This (former) CEO displays all of the same behaviors. They lack the ability to truly sympathize with anyone they've hurt. Truly sad for his employees and customers he's screwed over. Helping his teams find new employment is amazing!
Psychopathic traits are often found in CEOs, politicians, lawyers, ect. I see it in him as well. Bobby Kodick is one of them. I'm sorry you've had to deal with someone like that, I can't imagine what it must be like. I hope you're doing ok.
You definitely had me taking notes with the way you were communicating with them. Going to start in my first job soon, and the no BS energy of your emails is something that I feel like I need to improve on. Also, great journalism over here. Keep up the good work.
"Extremely Shady" is putting it mildly. I feel for the employees that were left without a job, as this could have been avoided with proper competent leadership at the helm.
Like you said, "Totally Recoverable". It's like being in a plane at 10,000 feet and your engine goes out. You may not make it to your destination but you still have plenty of time to look for a place to get her down safely. Or I guess you could just point it toward the ground and throw it in a spin and just give up. In fact, "if" he put his heart into it he could still recover. But he won't try. he's too big for himself.
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I started buying on Newegg again because of their response, anyone can screw up, but most do what Artesian is doing & few do what Newegg did.
youtuber YongYea did a video on Activision Blizzard. I just want to spread the word on employee abuse.
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I have a question: what shouold I look for if I want some aftermarket cables for my PSU? I'm wanting some flat form factor cables for SATA power to clean up my Torrent build .
In this episode, Steve explains why he can't be friends with assholes for professional reasons.
LOL
....Richard wears a hat and James says cheese... queue Jessica by the Allman Brothers Band....
@@lukecaspers9801 I see what you did there...
The CEO of Artesian was trying to pull the ol’ shady Tech-Bro, “hey, let’s hangout and pay for your meal”, with Steve and GN.
Meanwhile, Steve and crew had to channel their inner Black Panther meme and explain “WE DON’T DO THAT HERE…” 😂
Because of that user pic, I read this in Bill Murray's Garfield voice.
Important note: If you need to go through the charge back system for a refund. DO NOT. I repeat DO NOT AT ALL call the transactions fraudulent. Your charge back needs to be written with this information:
- The EXACT description of what was ordered (yes get pedantic)
- The date that you were most recently aware that you would have gotten the merchandise if the company did not go under
- the date the company shut down and was no longer able to give you your merchandise
- and the most recent date that you attempted to contact them to resolve the issue - even if they don't respond! They need record for both Visa and MasterCard that an attempt was made.
If you call the charges fraud, some banks will take you at face value of it being fraudulent and will deny the claim as you initiated the charge.
Please get your chargebacks sent in as soon as physically possible. The sooner you get the chargeback in, the better your chances of getting your funds back.
Source: My day job was processing credit/debit fraud and dispute claims. The amount of incorrect submissions I got on a daily basis was baffling
@@SC-hk6ui that's why the disputes dept. Needs the date that the business ceased operation. Otherwise; you have to wait 15 days after the date you expected to receive before issuing a CB
@@SC-hk6ui You guys are making it into a much bigger deal than what it is. If somebody incorrectly requests a chargeback due to fraud and it's rejected, then they can simply request it a 2nd time for the company's failure to deliver the product as requested. I also worked for a credit card company and processed dispute requests.
It needs to be put as “item not received” along side the information you said
Because when a bank see’s “fraud” the will dismiss what is said and instead check to see who, how and where a transaction was authorised and if it shows as a non fraudulent authorisations they do indeed just fail the claim
So FFS everyone subject is “item not recieved”
@@markh4750 nope thar is actually wrong you only get one chance to charge back
You have clearly never done a chargeback or you are some multimillion black card holder
"sponsored by Intel, thanks Intel"
meanwhile Intel: "we officially don't know who this guy is"
Intel - no no no! That's not what we wanted! Noooo!
Intel: *posts loki "I've never met this man before in my life" meme*
Very happy Intel gaming went out with a public statement not long after that. That had to be one nail in the coffin. Kicking down streamers while trying to thank sponsor.
Intel did give a public statemen about how this is NOT what they wanted
@@marcogenovesi8570 very, VERY legal department-friendly, but very clear and targeted still. I'm pretty sure that ass-hat's roasting nicely about now.......
CEO: "This really kills the energy of the drawing process." Actually I'm pretty sure what kills the energy of the giveaway is changing the rules midway because they weren't as profitable to your company as you wanted.
They're not allowed to do that. Every contestant now has a cause of action.
Profitable? I think clout is what he was after, not profit.
@@randomuserame it results in more marketing, which results in profit.
It’s a shame too because those prizes were most likely written off anyway, no reason to be so stingy! He could’ve let that one go and written new rules for the next giveaway!
@@randomuserame same thing lmao
The most interesting interview would be with the former COO from the east coast. Knowing why he stepped away would be interesting. My guess would be that this company was doomed back then at the hand of the CEO.
it would, unfortunaly i see a nda type of agreement between the company and the former coo. couple to that that artisian is technicaly stil in buisness it might be hard to imposibel to get that interview
I think it's a combination of the terrible personality and ethics of Noah and business practices of his as well.
@@Seallussus yeah, I think he wanted to be LTT, but unlike LTT he didn't have good business practices.
@@rubenjanssen1672 I doubt they are competent enough to ask him to sign an nda ....
Would be good to hear from him but if he was the smart one, there is no way he would talk right now as he wouldn't want to risk getting looped into the lawsuits and possible criminal actions that could be coming.
Holy cow. Watching that "CEO" streaming segment was REALLY painful. As someone with a self-taught "English", I had problems grasping the meaning of "cringe". Well... not anymore I don't!
He didn't even have the good sense to scrub the list before doing the drawing. Sure that wasn't the only blunder he made, but it was a super-public one. It always results in hurt feelings if you announce a "winner", THEN, on camera, check to see if they're eligible. No, scrub the list first, then pick a winner after you sanitize the list. You don't even need to publicly itemize how the list got scrubbed. If someone doesn't know their name got wiped for not trying hard enough they'll have no reason to gripe when all you did was randomly draw a different name. This? This resulted in hurt feelings, and hurt feelings by proxy. that got spread really fast.
BAHAHA! Yep, that's the definition of cringe alright!
@@marhawkman303 It wasnt just that, they aslo changed the rules and amounts , mid drawing.
Written down
Have continous streams
Have banner
Have affiliate link
Added: Must have x amount of recent streams
Added: Must have a certain variable and arbitrary numbers of active watchers
Added : Banner must be the most recent one as of drawing, if it released today and noone noticed TOUGH LUCK SUCKERS
@@lacucaracha111111 yeah, not saying he was RIGHT, just clarifying what he did wrong.
He had rules for his drawing posted on a website. but during the stream he announced that he'd changed them... but he doesn't even spell out what the new rules are DURING the stream. And there is no official written copy. That's just DUMB, and inviting people to get POed at you.
You chose a bad time to understand English. That segment was painful.
Hey Steve, Just wanted to let you know that I'm a relatively new viewer of your channel, but I've been super impressed with the quality of your work and content since I have been watching. The first big thing I saw you and your team cover was the Gigabyte power supply issue, and that issue affected me directly. There is at least 1 more safe computer thanks to your journalism. This is just my way of saying keep up the good fight man, you have a stellar team on your side.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'll pass them along to the team as well. It means a lot to read comments like this. Thanks, ProxyExpy!
@@GamersNexus Once again, Super-Steve and his team of schlieren image and pressure map super powered minions saving the citizens of earth from PSU bombs and evil fire risers!
@@Hugh_I @Gamers Nexus is amazing, from their reviews to their hands on with all the information they can get. Corsair 600T white case was my first and I changed it to the Corsair H500 after his review of it and how much it changed. I wish Corsair would make another case like the 600T, it was a good case for its time. Thanks Steve and your team for all you do.
@@o0cacoto0o Do you mean the Cooler Master H500? No shade! Just curious
I am as well. I look forward to the new videos that come out of GN. I wish I could donate something but I'm a retiree and need to pinch pennies.
An interview with the ex-COO would be an interesting one. Not because of why they left Artesian, but how they built the company up to be as successful as it was. Sounds like an absolute gun of a COO, and that sort of competence is in short supply in every industry.
Yea fr, there are so many more reputable PC builders but somehow they sold anything, I'm amazed tbh
True, but I can't imagine that the guy wants his name out there associated in any way with this train wreck. The last thing he needs in his future is for a google search of his name to bring up Artesian Builds and it's spectacular failure.
I love how Steve is genuinely pissed about the CEOs lack of empathy for his employees.
As is only right.
It's amazing how just a little bit of backlash can just pull back curtains on INSANE amounts of problems lying beneath
the CEO seems like a narcissistic sociopath.
@@Joker-no1fz 💯%
The whole thing was being held together at the seams.
Girls get screwed over on the internet - everyone: O NO DATS SO BAD! How can we coddle and send you money?
Guy gets screwed over on the internet - everyone: Haha loser, that's what you get for being alive.
@@Damitsall No one needed to know that you're an incel
It really sounds like the CEO hit the jackpot when he hired the COO. That guy grew the company and things went bad after he left and the CEO was left with something he never built and didn't have the skills to maintain. This really sucks for the employees, I've seen firsthand how destructive a leadership change can be when you go from competence to incompetence.
Game of Thrones syndrome
@@alexeisavrasov888 Life imitates art
@@SC-hk6ui leadership incompetence can contribute to economic hardship. Given what we have seen I think the CEO will have a majority of the blame no matter what the economic variables are.
@@rpiazza72 well said, could not agree more
I knew a guy like this CEO once. General duche, great sweetalker, massive narcissist and extremely good manipulator. You are against him? Prepare for all his friends to hear his sob story all sad faces and everything, all while he is gaslighting you publicly in front of the people that side with you. That is how a pathetic sorry excuse of a human being does, and this CEO is no different, all pretty face, narcissism and lies, makes my stomach turn.
Keep your eyes peeled it is not going to be long before Noah ends up in some NFT project and/or a cryptoscam ;) Calling it now.
The CEO was way too high on himself, being totally cringe, and somewhat an asshole. Sad to see that people like him causes a downfall for so many others.
Yep, yet another bad egg. I've been through a few positions at various companies in my engineering career. And I can tell you right now, there's no short supply of head-up-ass CEOs and managers that leave a path of employee devastation in their wake. Life is difficult and we need stable jobs, and so it's disgusting when bad managers fuck you over without thinking twice.
From other videos, sounds like he was more than just "somewhat" an asshole. Literally making people cry
There are so many examples of dirtbags somehow running into money or owning a company and their wild egos dominate everything and the people who actually keep the lights on are always the first to suffer.
From the NFL to Media companies to small restaurants to a freakin tiny PC builder: the douchebags with money run into the night and KEEP the money whilst everyone else is fked.
Greed is the human variable in free-for-all capitalism that infected the USA in the late 60's and led to manufacturing dying, nearly every recession, and our POS duopoly political farce plutocracy that's slowly veering into open oligarchy.
@@jimtekkit it’s worse when these managers have the exact level of cringe this CEO had. Like I’m not here for ur mental RP game. I’m here to do work and further my education.
@@CuppaKofe Never trust a CEO. Period.
The guy tried to cater so hard to influencers to the point where it started seeping into both his priorities and ego. It's quite sad that Mr. "Star-Lord" somehow still doesn't realize the damage he had caused not to his own company, but to his employees, the people he was responsible for.
An egotistical "Pump & Dump".
Anti-Linus?
@@DoctorWhom Funny thing Noah supposedly called themselves LTT if they built PC's.
I'm glad someone else noticed the jacket
@@bilbobaggins7074 that's not a starlord jacket though... That's a cringelord one!!
if a company just drops dead immediately after the CEO has a bit of drama, there is something seriously wrong with its organisational structure.
it literally was accelerated failure. The company was bound to fall apparently
Any company run by a raging narcissist is bound to fail.
The "company" was a front for the CEO's shady practices, which as we found out included tax evasion, so of course the whole thing would fold. It's not just the giveaway fuck up. That simply uncovered a shitty guy's entire scheme.
The company didn't just drop dead after the CEO had a bit of drama.
My take is the CEO was an ignorant showpiece who only succeeded because he had a top notch COO who did all the real work. The company began its decline when he left and while the CEO stupidly accelerated the decline the end result was all but inevitable once the COO left.
Well his weird behaviour might be also be triggered from him knowing he's screwed.
I f-ing love that gamers nexus went from being a great IT channel for PC gamers to being not only that but evolving into a channel that actively looks out and advocates for the community. Its so great from a consumer stand point and it also makes for amazing content to watch!
GN is filling an "ombudsman" niche that was unfilled by anyone else.
It's really some hard hitting investigative journalism, Steve has done an amazing job and really impressed me with his level of professionalism thru so many different stories.
Yep, the fact that theyre actively trying to improve the entire industry is incredible. Helping the guys that lost their jobs to find new ones is above and beyond.
They really do play the same part in the PC industry as media in general does for the public. Helps promote the transparency. Really love their work. Straight to the point, no bs, just telling it as it is.
That CEO sounds like the car Dealer no one ever wants to deal with. Such a scammer tone. Also yes changing a contest rules during the give away is highly illegal. It's up there with Ponzi schemes in federal law.
Couldn't just give that one and change the rules after. He had to be a dickhead.
Here in Québec people like to whine about our lottery and contest laws that exclude us from most worlwide / North-American contests. Thing is that these laws make it impossible to pull such scams. Companies exclude us from their contests because 8million people isn't worth the hassle of hiring a legal conselor and spending the time to follow our consumer protection rules.
He sounds like the type of person that would be at home on stage at an Herbalife rally.
@@lateve6243 It's illegal here too. The only reason I don't think they have charged them with it is because they are already in big trouble with the tax man. Either way the company is done.
Yeah, if only more crooks were that obvious. There are ones who self-BS so hard that it is hard to read from their demeanor. I fell for a couple of that type, and it only honed my BS detector further.
I also personally participated in a marketing contest (for the game console Ouya) where they changed the winner selection process mid-contest and turned it from an apparent baiting through skill emphasis into a pure social media self-promotion contest.
Can't imagine their frustration when a little poor streamer "unworthy of their price" took down their whole company haha. Love it !
To be honest, it wasn't the "little poor streamer" that took down their company... It was them themselves, and the community. Think of the streamer as the ammunition the community was waiting for.
you gotta ask tho what kinda twat actually rocks a guardians of the galaxy jacket clone... and his one liners... wow...
If I had to quickly come up with a physical version of the descriptor "Bay Area Tech Bro Douche" that guy is what I would come up with.
What about the other people denied the prize just the same when they were drawn up and didn't meet their last minute criteria? She wasn't the only small stream crapped on, just the only one who had her complaints taken seriously on social media.
@@NightMotorcyclist boo hoo ❄
Artesian Builds CEO: "we run the competition, we make the rules"
The US government: "no, *we* make the rules"
State Governments: Don't forget about us! (-;
The US Government "and then we break our own rules by allowing the federal reserve to print money in a fractional reserve baking system and call you a domestic terrorist if you call us out our for hypocrisy."
US government: wait, that's illegal
@Sierra Mike when you enforce the rules, who's going to stop you from breaking them. Really great loophole
@@bappo456 I think you'll find that the Federal Reserve's mechanisms to control the money supply in a fractional reserve banking system are written in "the rules". Particularly the Federal Reserve Act.
Also an act of violence is required to be charged with terrorism under US law, so the government won't call you a domestic terrorist for saying really anything. I don't think being publicly ignorant of monetary policy counts as sedition either.
Leave it to Steve to have the professionalism (even when it doesn't necessarily call for it considering what Noah has done and been doing) to prompt a possible discussion about what happened with Artesian. Something I genuinely thought no one was going to do after how easy it is to just dogpile onto the situation. Thank you GN for everything you guys continue to do, and with such professionalism at that.
Also, trying to help those employees that got dropped from Artesian is massive. Although you can't promise them positions anywhere in particular... The fact you at least have connections and are still more than willing to send those that have the credentials onto a far better path than Artesian was taking them says A LOT. Especially when compared to what they just had to go through... Thanks again GN team
Not sure this is professionalism, seems it could be preaching to the faithful.
@@ttww1590 I like Steve but seems he'd like to have a discussion with anyone and anything to make easy content
@@ttww1590 Please do explain how this is not professionalism on GN's part. Steve (and the team) took every respectful avenue they could to give Noah the chance to explain what happened. They didn't initialize the conversation with Noah publicly at all, they clarified their intentions with the interview and from the beginning stated how they wanted it all on record. Where in this video was Steve preaching to the faithful? The company is essentially dissolved as far as Steve is concerned, and at most he wants the customers to get their pc's (which they can't now, so a refund hopefully) and the employees to be able to find work after a mistake their employer made effected their livelihood.
@@trashtalker420 Seems to me he's having discussions with these companies and people to maintain the integrity the pc community is known for having when it comes to looking out for each other. His channel is a tech-related channel... Artesian is an SI that should be held with accountability just as NewEgg should be. I don't know why people are so fast to assume genuine care over a community automatically means there's inauthenticity in what they're doing. Not to mention it requires him to spend money and many hours to create this 'easy content'.
Yeah I feel sorry for all the people just trying to do their job. Who had nothing to do with the actions of their bosses. Hopefully all these people will find a job with a new company, that will treat them better and if lucky enough, will pay better as well. For with the way the company ceo acted. I have to wonder, just how well they treated their staff members, given their treatment of small streamers. Since well the one who should be punished for these things is their boss, not the staff who had nothing to do with it. For it sucks big time to lose your job, over the faults of idiots higher ups that you had no control over.
Steve is quickly becoming the 60 minutes of the gaming world..
I would love for Steve to be like the Frontline guy from Chapelle Show's First Episode.
Without the corporate bias however
Except Steve is way more reputable than 60 Minutes.
And very much needed, no nonsense, cut the BS, do the right thing!
Steve is one of the smartest guys around. 60 Minutes is a prolonged car insurance commercial. I wish he'd get a haircut. He looks like a hippy.
They speedran destroying their company and reputation. Noah seemed like he kept trying to make it about himself in the emails. This isn't a 'buddy-buddy' scenario.
Feel bad for all the employees who lost their jobs, but hope they find something better. Happy you're offering to help the employees.
Did they save any framerules?
Classic "Pump & Dump"!!!
Based on his disregard for others, lack of genuine apologies, and guilt tripping ex. with the sad emoji face, Noah seems like a narcissist. These kinds of people should not be running companies. Glad that the company is destroyed, but feel terrible for the innocent employees who have lost their jobs
@@Sysor0 it''s pretty clear that he really doesn't understand or even think about the ramifications of his actions, particularly around his former employees. They didn't deserve to have Noah as CEO..
CEO obviously has a personality disorder, textbook narcissim at the very least 🤦♂️
Dude made 50 people lost their jobs in this awful time and he answered it with " :( "
He treated his employees like disposable pawns. C'mon man, you're not Jeff Bezos.
And even Jeff Bezos doing that is a problem in and of itself. But yeh, this really busts the myth that "entrepreneurs" are somehow just more intelligent than us lowly peons.
He was so cringe worthy in the video segment played in this video, everything about the way he spoke and the way he reacted changing the rules on the fly was just CRINGE
He's a narcissist
The job losses are terrible, but thankfully the market is pretty good in the US for skilled employees in Tech.
@@DrWeird Pretty sure he was coked out of his mind too.
It really sounds like the COO was the one handling the operations and keeping the books in check. The CEO was pushing for giveaways on social media without regards to operations and especially the financial side of things. When the COO left the CEO went wild and ended up bankrupting the company. On top of this there seems to be several legal actions that are taking place to complicate the matter.
Yep, typical of what happens when an idiot becomes in charge.
It feels even worse, the COO probably saw what was going down and left after he couldnt change the trajectory :/
I feel this all points to a perfect way out for almost everyone involved. The CEO will try to run up some investors to restart the company, but if the former COO gets to them first, they can do do one better: build a new company, with an as of yet untarnished reputation, with the former COO as the new CEO, without the toxic bits of management, and he can scoop up all these trained skilled workers who are now fresh out of job and it'll be pretty smooth sailing. I'm sure a new company staffed with these fine people will do financially a lot better than trying to rescue that dumpster fire.
Indeed, the COO left in November, so if he was running (and let's be clear here, it seems like he was the one actually running the company and keeping it afloat) well back then and left it in a good state, I could see Noah burning through it all in 5 months for it to have ended up how it did.
There is no "Outside Counsel". This is just a stalling technique to hide as much money as he can until he claims bankruptcy. It's sad this CEO will escape with a fortune while everyone else gets screwed.
I was one of the Twitch Ambassadors and there was a lot of drama behind the scenes on the private twitter dm group as well.
If it was "just" the streamer give away, it could have easily be resolved by apologizing and just taking the loss. But there was a lot of drama about treatment of the employments as well, ambassador payouts after referrals~
Angel, one of the good employees there was always really kind to us, will miss them and I hope you can help some of the employees that just lost their job like that.
So you guys all knew about this stuff before it went down. How can youdistance yourself when complicit
@@anaryl
We did speak out and we got removed. It's on our Twitter, even before this exploded.
We are Ambassadors not employees, we spoke out and we got removed, some of us left to show our disdain and no longer support them through social media influence. We did our due diligence. And that was already on mistreatment they did to some employees.
And thats before the streamer give away rule changing scam.
And after all this happened, we also used our social media influence to bring it to the attention to the masses. We did more then just a random stranger on the internet saying after what happened that they find it disturbing and or disgusting.
So no, we aren't complicit and we did everything right. We spoke out, we left, we stopped our support and we rang the bell on all major social platforms. And after the events we continued spreading the word.
Redirect your anger to the actual company and their management.
@@anaryl people like you always like to play keyboard warrior. But Im sure you wouldnt do anything different
The CEO has mention that his role model is Linus and seeing the way he behaves screams of trying to be like Linus, aka a fun leader that doesn't things too seriously and memeing and so on . The difference is of course that Linus is a professional. While he acts like a goof, it's clear from behind the scenes that Linus takes his job very seriously, has a good grasp on business and so on. Plus he is making sure to take of his community. And this is why Linus is the position that he is today. Sure, I don't doubt that Linus's on screen persona isn't unlike how he is IRL but from what people has told about it, he is very business minded (in a positive way) and that's why he is so respected. Noah Katz attitude and behaviour would never get him on the same level as Linus.
100% right on that analysis. Linus is incredibly skilled in running a successful business and has worked his way up. He's a fun guy to be around, but it's very clear that he's fiercely professional about his work.
Guess Noah forgot a very important part about watching somebody else's videos: he's not seeing _everything_ Linus does. He's seeing a few little bits and piece here and there that are meant to be entertaining. He's forgetting that the whole "properly running a business" is happening when the cameras are off.
Plus he has a Yvonne alongside him who he has said a number of times keeps him in check but also to grasp the details that he may not have the time or inclination to deal with. The LMG and GN company ethic is clear in this that it is an employee focused
Linus also takes care of his employees above all else. He's routinely said that he makes sure he can cut all his checks every month.
I caught that in the way that he speaks, too. Trying to give that same vibe. Like hey, I really like Linus too, but I can appreciate that there's no friggin way he built his empire by being his on camera persona 24/7. In fact, I like the LMG videos that are "darker" and on more serious notes because it gives me a glimmer of the true business person he is.
I also so appreciate GN's dedication to professionalism and consumer protection here too, and I can tell Steve and team do not fuck around when it comes down to issues that effect real people. From last year's garbage hardware to this incident, it's nice to see that kind of integrity.
I try and bring that balance into my professional life as well. I'm a great, fun person to be around (on camera persona) but if I need something done that's going to potentially impact a customer or the company, I get serious and unyielding very quickly. I think it actually has a better effect than always being serious, because seeing that change in persona is jarring enough that people listen.
i dont see why people have a problem with this man, he offered a free course on "how to NOT be a CEO"
lmao
I think you mean, "How NOT to be a human being"
We got more than enough courses of that around sadly.
"Steve Loses It" is the best chapter title ever.
Steve and GN, thank you for being who y'all are! Accountability has disappeared in our society and I love seeing others fight for it.
Watching Steve slowly lose his sanity on camera has been a great joy over the past few years
I didn't even notice the chapter name until I saw your comment.. 😂😂 I was indulged in watching steve talk..
@@neonlights_12 Unfortunately he's been losing his sanity for reasons many of us would lose ours, not the least of which is incompetent business management
Christ, that Noah dude is so incredibly slimy and insufferable, he makes shady used car salesmen look like bastions of honesty and integrity.
I had a boss like him once. Outrageous behaviour with seemingly little regard for boundaries, larger than life personality to the point of being cringe-inducing. Employees just generally being taken advantage of, strung along and guilt tripped constantly, worst cases involved verbal abuse and threats.
He was a narcissist and a sociopath. These emails you showed are eerily similar. Gave me goosebumps and brought back some traumatic memories. Glad you want nothing to do with him.
Same here. Sad part was, the guy I worked for had a grand total of 4 employees...
@nomasporfavor "just get a new job lol" - you obviously dont understand
@nomasporfavor smooth brain
yup, dirt bags all sound the same
@@itemushmush the guy is another rich kid with hand me downs from daddy. It's so easy to say in the internet "to find another job" lol.
Imagine being way behind on your company group chat, finally clearing the backlog and finding out that you're fired
I will never understand the motivations for company leadership to pee in their own pool; if Katz had the tiniest shred of hope of resurrecting himself or AB in the tech social media space, he needed to proceed in at least what would appear to be a good faith effort. Instead, his actions give the appearance that he is self-indulgent and delusional enough to believe that he is the victim here and will build a bandwagon of "this is my reward for trying to be a nice guy and giving away computers." A wagon which nobody else will ride.
they are so disconnected from the real world while being convinced they have 100% understanding of it. Cocaine for example has this effect, and has sunk a lot of companies
Is anyone surprised with the way the dude talks and dresses?
@@marcogenovesi8570 Agreed, but in Katz' case, based on the coverage I've seen, this is little more than good old fashioned hubris. Katz is young, his company experienced explosive growth in a short period of time, and suddenly what began as an ego-stroking sandbox rapidly turned into a serious situation in which the livelihood of dozens of people depended on his transition to a responsible and mindful leader. You have to put the interests of your staff before your own, and the scope of this failure far exceeds his failure to his customers.
It has been hilarious, a full sketchiness implosion and meltdown, and all self initiated too!
@@a1superfantastic I still wouldn't be surprised cocaine was involved
Just a note from the 15:00 mark where Steve recommends calling your bank and reporting any charge as fraudulent because you would not be getting your build. You should call and initiate a dispute but NOT report fraud. Reporting fraud means you have to get a new card and then they process your transaction as a fraud claim which would be denied (because you did initiate it) and then (if your lucky and depending on the bank) your claim may be shuffled into the disputes team. Call and do a product 'not received dispute' and tell them you cannot resolve it with the merchant because they have no staff to resolve the issue given the layoffs. This will prevent the need for replacing the card and will get your dispute to the right team for resolution.
Signed - A guy who has been in card operations for 19 years... and has done disputes with both Visa/MasterCard's back end systems.
Pro tip right here... should be stickied
Happened to me once when my gym folded. Visa came through like the mega Champ one would expect they are
Lost it at the office reference.
Also GN is doing some insane stuff lately. These are all amazing. Artesians builds already wanting to take the march spot for disappointment 2022.
I think Noah already earned that spot. His former employees don't deserve it, but he sure as hell does.
@@exxor9108 Totally agree. It seems like the employees were passionate about PC building, but Noah just wasn't mature enough to be running a business like that.
"We are sorry that we got found out. Please give money." Screw that CEO. Screw him and his shoddy business.
Not to mention people having had major issues with their PCs. Under sponsorship no less.
Damn Steve, Going out and helping those employees who got shafted by trying to get them new jobs....That's incredible man, I mean 100% amazing. You are one hell of a good guy. RESPECT!
He is a great human being, I love how he brought Justice to Newegg customers. Steve should make this a regular series and keep all tech companies on their toes.
we need more Steve
I so respect Steve's position on this.
Please don't give this guy an interview, his objective will be fame, nothing more.
I feel bad for the employees, they seem like they really enjoyed their jobs and wanted to treat customers right. But, they had a CEO that saw this as his own playground like a real-life version of The Sims. He had no idea what he was doing and it seems like he only wanted to do the fun parts of being your own boss and ignored the hard parts until the whole business collapsed. His email responses were not those of a businessman but as of a rich kid whose dad bought them a business as a birthday gift.
This.
@@tourmaline07 THIS?!
Hopefully other IT and PC building companies can hire them because they have experience and do not want to be affiliated with the CEO and his business practices.
Spot on, I'd be surprised if that guy didn't at least occasionally call people NPCs...
Yup, the random guy who kept the offices clean, he wasn't trying to change contest rules on stream. He was just the guy who kept the bathrooms clean. Those are the people who get fucked over the most, because of their dip shit CEO.
Hopefully these people find new jobs asap.
With all this, as Linus mentioned, the PC community really did turn this into a positive outcome to the best of their ability. With Jay and many others offering to build the winner a PC, your team sending out resumes of the former employees, etc. I'm truly amazed by the wonderful things that this community has done to protect each other.
PC gaming community takes care of their own.
“And on the 12th day of the company closure, tech Jesus took in several abandoned tech engineers and began the journey to bring his followers to prosperous lands”
Seriously though Steve, what an incredible dude you are. So much love and appreciation for you and your crew and all the great things you do for our expansive community
Feels more like Tech Moses than Tech Jesus.
This guy is very humble
I really appreciate his effort to do this kind of work, it’s harsh but I really respect people that put principles over emotions in this kind of topics
I LOVE the direction that GN has been going. The tech space is flooded by high quality reviewers. Steve is doing a new angle that really shows their strengths which is integrity. A nice spin of new content and we love it!!!
When my company went belly up we managed to cover almost all debt except for a months worth of pay for two employees (Around 4k€, including taxes, health insurance, etc.). It took me almost two years to work out the feelings of guilt I had for letting them down.
Katz is more than tone-deaf, I'd wager there's something wrong with the way his mind works.
He does appear to be a 'tad' of a narcissist. That stream was pure cringe.
that's cos your a real life human being...unlike 5his douch
That guy came off kinda of narcissistic which is probably why the former Head boss left the company back in 2021
What makes you think his employees are owed money?
He Definitely has Asperger’s
I think we can guess at this point that the COO left because they realized the CEO was a child with no clue how to run a business and wanted to be internet famous. That and the sheer level of slimy behavior on his part with the staff and the customers is actually kind of impressive in a sick way.
From all the videos I've watch, that's all the CEO cares for. Being Internet famous. I've seen clips of him comparing his company to being what Linus would've been if Linus went SI route. Noah is so full of himself. I didn't even know who he was until Jayz video on the whole situation and getting Mia a PC.
I think his lawyer team is part of the problem. I live in So. Cal. I've worked for large bankruptcy factories before. I've worked for companies that milk their accounts payable in that time. Basically you generate purchase orders, buy materials, then ghost the supplier to avoid paying them cash. When one supplier stops supplying you, you find another.
I have never worked for a company that milks their customers to get money generating claims for bankruptcy court(I have had to however work WITH companies that do this). Those companies go bankrupt once and vanish. Those CEOs go to criminal court because it is in fact fraud and theft.
@@Grimmwoldds He certainly in a lot of trouble. Its why i referred to him as a child because the behavior akin to one who thinks they can skate away from any real consequences. Soon now realty is about to bite a certain someone right in the ass.
Hey Steve i just watched Linus' video about the collapse of Artesian. Huge hats off to you and GN for reaching out to their former employees that had no warning about the company folding and being out of a job. I really appreciate you helping them out in their job search too. You're a great person and your channel is out to help the public. Keep up the great work :)
The CEO screams entitlement. It seems every time he speaks, someone else is at fault. Aside from him wanting to become twitch famous, the way he talks about ambassadors and partners as if he's some sort of merciful god is very telling. He has zero remorse for his actions because he probably was handed a lot of things without the threat of consequence.
Ya I was thinking the same thing. Just the way he talks makes him sound and come off as pompous.
I don't know much about his side of things until Jay brought it up ,had a look at thier web page , Mr Beast is shown, I think this guy wants be big like Mr Beast, I heard 10 min interview Mr Beast and Joe rogen, Mr Beast is smart guy .
Agreed. Seems kinda like he was viewing the opportunity to meet with GN as an opportunity to rub elbows with "players" in the industry. Rather than a PR opportunity.
Might be a tad narcissistic and sociopathic. Just a tad.
Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that all the workers were fired. Now the COO that used to run the day to day operation in the production centre and was fed up with taking the CEO's bullshit, can just scoop them all up and give these skilled workers an actually nice new job.
Every possible investor that CEO might run to, to try to secure some money to resume operation should be like "OK why would we feed the dumpster fire - we can have the COO and the old production team build a new company unburdened by the existing debts and the tarnished name, and it'll be better and more lucrative"
Sounds like a certain ex-president who also deflects all responsibility for his many failures. You’re right on with the entitlement observation.
This dude is a classic LA sociopath. The way he destroyed lives to run off with the money, instead of just taking the blame and stepping down. The insane confidence he exudes while playing up the "sushi-eating, buzzword-spewing, yuppie" stereotype is disgusting and infuriating.
Full on egomaniac! Sociopath!
Well, at least we now know his stream fallout wasn't just a one off misstep.
My boyfriend likes sushi.
Fortunately he hates buzzwords and yuppies though.
Agreed, this behavior is common with people trying to live the LA, SF, silicon valley lifestyle. I am very careful about buying anything from these types of people.
I'm suspecting the CEO dude has a problem with Bolivian marching powder ~ if one factors that in, it all makes perfect sense B^)
If only regular news agencies had your level of integrity... World would be a much better place.. Thanks for you and your teams work
News & integrity RIP
He's the Project Veritas of the PC world.
26 mins delving into the situation, good luck getting regular news agencies to spend 20-30 mins per story! Let alone the hours of work before recording!
@@johnferrara5249 hell yeah. Another project Veritas fan. Based gamers rise up
@@johnferrara5249 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL if you think Project Veritas is anything more than utter BS.
How is the 947th audit going down?
"MY company, MY computers", well there is your first issue. There is only one person that works at Artesian builds. The rest are just passing through. Your second issue is, that is INTELS computer. They sponsor you so you don't have to do DISGUSTING things for your company to stay alive, like scam people.
you also forget that these sponsored giveaways will have contracts involved and that pretty much every state has laws regarding both giveaways and advertisement.
That CEO is a living caricature: "I tanked the whole company and laid you all off, LOL!"
All that's missing is a photo of him skateboarding or surfing attached to the memo.
I've dealt with people like this before. There's no way to get them to break character. He'll treat it like two buddies having a casual chat and will get angry when he can't control the results -- no mater how much effort you put into trying to explain that he can't control the results.
Sound an awful lot like a handful of TH-camrs...
Since Noah seems to like Mark Twain quotes, I'll throw this one out there: "Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig will like it."
@@crowdemon_archives ....?
@@crowdemon_archives Care to name names, since we're apparently throwing shade? A statement like that doesn't tell anyone anything.
I'm still a person that forms their own opinions, tho it's getting harder and harder to find neutral takes on things to base my opinions on.
@@44R0Ndin oh trust me, the list thread into nonsense like Shane Dawson lol. That specific sphere has a bunch of people acting like Noah...
When a tech guy who is known for testing PC parts has more journalistic integrity than current large scale journalists says a great deal.
Keep up the good work Steve!
Honestly such a rare thing to see in modern society. He is chill enough and yet professional without it being a flaw or drawback. Honestly GN is like the most scary generalist I know of to date. No BS and yet manages to make scummy people/companies look like they have the grim reaper of sales knocking on there door. But still go out of the way to let them show what they got. Being fair and realistic.
:)
Steve has always been a journalist
He's honestly the only good pc journalist that is still around
Journalistic integrity has never been about size. It has always been about personal work ethics.
@@Alucard-gt1zf I know TB would not think of himself as a journalist or anything but I do miss that fella
The PC gaming sphere is so blessed to have so many content creators like LTT, Jay, and GamersNexus that are just honesty looking out for the community.
Also ThioJoe with the Ultra-Geek Guides and Bitwit too with the RGB Software Malware thing.
It's really why independent media is SO important across every industry
- LTT
LTT does not look out for the community, they never belonged in the same category as Jay and GN
I wouldn't trust LTT to run a lemonade stand, let alone work as a content creator. The Madison and Billet Labs situations were the "one-two punch" in dropping them like Linus drops expensive PC parts.
Loving this new direction of interviews keeping the industry honest. Not that you haven't been doing that for years, but this recent focus is something that is sorely needed and you guys have the credibility to do it.
Keep it up!
Wow, 50 ppl with no job today, it's really tough. I'm unemployed myself and trying to do something from 0. It is so damn hard. I'm glad that you guys at GN take care of the people and try to help to get a job. Thank you Steve.
I know the feeling. I've been out of a job for two years now. Been living off of an inheritance that my father left me when he passed away a year and a half ago. Unemployment stopped payments last year, and I just lost my SNAP benefits. Cruel world.
@Fun With Minerals if you were innocent you wouldn't have been fired unless there aren't any security cameras
@Jason Fitch ok rich guy
Christ, this is one hell of a dumpster fire. From what it seems, the CEO is such a sociopath that he is able to instantly dismantle the entire company and fire 50 people while acting like nothing of consequence happened... Essentially, cutting his losses and running like a coward. What a pathetic waste of oxygen.
I hope the lawsuits that come after him will leave him penniless and hopeless, as that is the only way a sociopath learns any lessons, via severe consequences.
Well said OP. It’s always a spectrum. Say what you like! Long lived free speech! This type of person will likely just move on to create another company with predatory practices such is the pervasiveness of the delusional Corpo mentality these days, it is the staple of contemporary Predatory Capitalism. Not that far removed from psychopathy or sociopathy …or vampirism for that matter.
State should reduse his credit rating to zero cant get cell phone upgrade
his reputation is finished tbh
That is why he had no problem screwing over a small streamer.
If you watched any of their past streams you would see that Noah pontificates and has a huge ego. Ironically he is also a huge left wing nut, it's funny how he is so capitalistic in trying to cheat the small streamer and the way he is handling dismantling his company. I don't feel sorry whatsoever for this person.
I can honestly say, I stumbled across your Alienware review (after purchase) and agreed with every thing you said.
This pops up in my feed and I'm hooked, you're pretty great at what you do. Easy to listen to, you also have, and this is weird to say, a heart, crazy to think that people exist only to cater to themselves, and it's weird to see people worry more about others than themselves these days.
"Take care of you're people, and your people will take care of you" that's like, rule number one! But you sir, are making it clear that your people, viewers, friends, employees are what your main goal is, and that my friend is some inspiring stuff.
Thanks for setting the tone.
Man, that CEO just looks like the type...his appearance, his mannerisms, his tone of voice. D-bag extraordinaire.
The word you are searching for is "smarmy".
i mean he dressed up as star lord for the stream lol
You'll find a lot of those people in San Francisco
My skin crawled out the damn door
There’s absolutely truth to don’t judge a book by it’s cover, but some people you can just see it in their face, let alone how they talk and mannerisms, and this Noah just has a$$hole written all over him.
Was waiting for the gamers Nexus vid on this. Thanks to all the gamers Nexus staff. Y'all dope as heck
You were right to ditch Noah, he comes across as a right bellend both in email and on the stream. I agree it just seemed like a play thing to him and the COO was the one actually keeping things going. Also amazing gesture to offer to use you contacts to try and open doors for former employees, who genuinely sounded like they had passion for their job, their industry and customers.
I HAVE NOOOO JOB NOW AFTER 130 PC BUILDS NOW I EAT OUT THE TRASH CAN ON THE STREEET TY INTERNET FOR MAKING ME HOMELESS GUES SU CANT JUST HATE SOMEONE U DONT LIKE LIKE EVERYONE ESL
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude Noah is that you? Why are you sperging out in every comment chain?
Even though I'm in my early 50's, I have been a huge fan of GN for a few years now as I greatly appreciate your no BS policies. To you and the entire GN team, keep up the fantastic work and huge kudo's to you as well for trying to help the former employees to find new and definitely better employment.
When I had my small boutique PC building business (until lockdown), this is the epitome of what I stood against. I have no sleep lost over whatever repercussions will come his way. This is conduct far worse than big box retailers.
Steve, I just realized this. Raffles, give away, and other such "prize related promotions" are regulated by either the FTC and/or the IRS. Artesian Builds might be in legal hot water for 1. Not reporting raffle build winners (PCs have monetary value) and 2. changing the rules mid giveaway without informing the participants first. It would be as if the Powerball or the Megamillions lottery changed ball sets (number of balls) right before or during a drawing, You can't do that legally. And states where these promotions are running will also have rules as well. I suspect that the legal and financial ramifications of this might have caught up to them, and shuttering the company may be their attempt at avoiding those obligations. They probably flew under the radar because of their size, but when this story blew up, it probably drew attention of state and/or federal regulators. Oops.
Hoeg Law did a video about them and the difference between a raffle and a lottery. He's not their lawyer so he can't say if that they did was illegal or not but he did suggest some folks might want to talk to an attorney so make of that what you will.
From a purely legal standpoint they are probably in hot water. The problem is I doubt anyone cares enough to pay the legal fees to sue a company over this, especially considering it’s about to disappear and there soon will be nothing left. A state might or another legal body, but probably won’t be fast enough and I’m sure that the CEO will manage to weasel out of it
FTC yes, IRS no. IRS is strictly tax related issues as well as funding in resulting to a bill passed in congress. IRS has nothing to do with raffels, etc. except to tax the person(s) and/or companies receiving the good (or goods), as such maybe subject to being taxed based on values. From what I understand, if such item or items are above a certain value, the company must submit tax documents so consumer pays tax and consumer is aware of that.
FTC - Federal Trade Commission - They deal many situations that has to do with B2B (Business to Business) & B2C (Business to Consumer) transactions. Basically, businesses have to follow rules as established by FTC as well as other local laws, licenses, etc. depending on what is being "traded".
As far as prizes and things, that mainly depends on local jurisdictions. Raffles, giveaways, and other related terms may be subject to Gambling and/or Game Commissions within such locations. I'm no lawyer, but this is just based on what I have researched.
@@Dragoonski Company? No, I'd not be interested in suing the company.
CEO, on the other hand, yeah. I want your house, your car, any other financial assets, and I want you out on the street by tomorrow. Oh and I want your business license permanently revoked.
What would I do with all that? Give it to someone (or multiple people) who deserve it. Because clearly the CEO doesn't.
The business license (that's basically what the "tax issue" is-they haven't kept up paying for theirs) could have been resolved in mere minutes by writing a check and filing a single form. This whole thing is a collection of continuous mistakes largely by one person who's too impressed with himself. It's like watching a train wreck set up and driven by Noah DoucheLord himself. That it basically ended the jobs of 40-50 people is truly heartbreaking. But I guess running a "giveaway" with ever-changing rules, random chance, a prize, and consideration (e.g. he gets and in fact demands something out of it), across state lines and where one of those states is California …
To say nothing of his relationship with Intel and that whole hostage situation "apology" video, DoucheLord is in a whole pile of legal shit if someone decides they want to prosecute him for running an illegal lottery. In which he changed the rules multiple times after people had won. In California. Where they mercilessly enforce laws against those things which contain teeth. It's a good thing he didn't livestream himself doing those things or publish in writing that he has done, is doing, and intends to continue to do these things while being the hero of his own mind.
I feel bad for the people who worked for him. But Noah DoucheLord can eat an entire bag of dicks.
AKA 'Consume a Satchel of Richards'
wasnt the tax issue the fact that they were reducing the taxes using a full price of the PCs despite the fact that the parts were sponsored by another company (Intel in this case).
Another thing is also during the sweapstakes you cannot deny the rewards as long as the participants didnt broken the written rules - its a criminal offence in that state for example. You cannot also change the rules while the sweapstake is running.
@@whirledpeaz5758 Consume sack of Richard
I just want to understand the name of the company. Wtf does Artesian have to do with computers? Or custom computers. Artisan, now I'd get that. That would make sense. But Artesian??? Friggin wells? I dunno dude did kinda throw it all down a well in the end I guess.
@@whirledpeaz5758 You win 2x internets.
My heart goes out to the employees who were probably doing something they actually loved under what I can only describe as a clown. I watched a good chunk of the artesian stream and was honestly disgusted. His initial “ambassador” who won literally got shit on because the following that person had wasn’t enough for Katz and it just got worse. Honestly Steve and I mean no additional disrespect to Noah but you really dodged a bullet not taking the interview. Also thank you for trying to do something for those who were just shafted by the CEO
The "thanks Steve" always craks me up LOL
its a timeless meme
It's like a "...thank's Steve" coming from a sadpepe.png
Holy crap Steve, you're doing some absolutely necessary work, and the whole flying out to do interviews is something that I feel is more than necessary when doing this sort of Journalism, it makes the whole ordeal more genuine, for everyone. Congrats to the whole of GN, y'all rock.
If Steve just wanted an excuse to go visit Microcenter again, I suspect their home store in Columbus would be a shorter trip. 🤣🤣
It seems to me that Noah Katz was less inclined to deal with the day-to-day operations of running a business, and much more inclined to make himself famous. In that, he succeeded beyond his wildest expectations. Noah Katz is now wicked famous; though I am sure it's not exactly what he intended.
only for 15 minutes, though
Infamy is the word.
Tell me you're from New England without telling me you're from New England.
"Wicked famous"
If you're not, consider a visit I guess.
Hahaha
Somewhere a monkey paw finger curls...
The few clips of Noah that you included in the video make it crystal clear he had no business being in charge of anything, let alone a company. Do people really equate being sleezy with being a leader? Do other people find that kind of character trustworthy or sincere? Confidence without any self-awareness should be an immediate red flag, not something to celebrate. My hope in humanity continues to dwindle.
Facts.
That's not the issue. There are plenty of CEO's who appear to be a bit questionable. But when your company makes 3 million a year annually and you're paid well, you keep your mouth shut if it's tolerable. It's called the golden rule. He who has the gold...MAKES THE RULES. And this kid obviously had the gold. Trouble was, like many have speculated and it seemed obvious (my guess is), he was an intelligent sociopath (I estimate around the maturity level of a 14 year old) born into a wealthy family who just didn't have enough experience to keep up with, let alone handle the kind of fast growing company he was involved with. He was obviously more concerned about his own personal image (vanity) above all else which shows when he's on camera. I used to be in broadcasting and I could always tell when someone who was star struck on themselves how they behaved in front of a camera. This guy's message was LOUD AND CLEAR who the boss was, WHO had the POWER, and WHO made the rules of the contest! I've never known a CEO, young or not, that wasn't EXTREMELY reserved and careful about what they say in public. In fact, I'm surprised he made any appearance at all during that live stream. When he did and started shooting his mouth off like a schoolboy, I thought...oh boy he's gonna put his foot in his mouth! Look up some younger geeky videos of Bill Gates CEO of Microsoft back in the 80's when he was just a young man. See the difference??? He may have looked young and stupid but he ALWAYS chose his words CAREFULLY! And what he said always sounded mature and intelligent. Compare that with ArtisianBoy here and you have complete opposites! nuf said. Thanks Steve for stepping in, exposing the truth and assisting with new employment for team members thrown to the curb. I saw what Jayz did too and it was totally awesome that he just immediately counter acted the CEO's Contest switch after drawing the winners name and declaring the winner UNQUALIFIED to win said PC due to the fact that he decided to CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE WINNER HAD ALREADY BEEN DRAWN ( which would've been a total lawsuit in and of itself by the way). Jayz channel showed a video of him counteracting that action by him driving down to MicroCenter and personally buying all the parts to make her a killer computer system and build it HIMSELF from scratch, then SHIP IT TO HER! So, in the end...she STILL got her FREE computer. NOW THAT....was a cool ending to such a sad...scam....rip off story! Thanks JAY!!!
i mean considering elon musk until recently was the wealthiest man in the world, yes! the rich aren't smarter than the rest of us and working for them makes that abundantly clear, it's about time people rid themselves of this idea that rich people are smart.
Working for this company was so rewarding. When you weren’t talking to Noah. Or working with Noah. So sad that so many staff lost their jobs I hope my colleagues can find comfort elsewhere
Good luck to you as well.
I feel bad for all the Artesian employees for having such a shithead at the helm running this company but good on you Steve for trying to reach out to [former] employees of Artesian to try to help them find new work 👏
Shit like this is way more common than you think. They are even some that are just hold together buy a few key employees and when they leave shit hits the fan.
There's plenty of shitheads around that employ loads of people and are lauded as celebrities/geniuses. Elon Musk is a case in point. His time will come.
@@mrn234 Welcome to Race Day Quads
Don't feel bad, he had 50 employees but NOT A SINGLE ONE bothered to do anything productive about it. You could even say they were all 100% complicity until they stopped being paid.
Not so different from the CEO, and that says to me the company was in deep trouble already and probably killed on purpose as a tax fraud plot.
The gall of stating in an email that Steve is one of their idols in the tech world, while simultaneously being someone Steve would absolutely despise is so fucking aggravating to me.
People who're this close to being diagnosable NPD cases are incapable of looking at themselves critically.
What really happened is that he hasn’t been paying his taxes, and the giveaway controversy called the FTB’s attention to that fact.
At this point, I feel Steve is actually becoming a Tech Jesus, not just by looks, but now by deed. Trying to get the ex-employees hired elsewhere. This is an Amazing guy.
You know it's bad when a joke become real.
He already is.
Putting people on pedestals like that is toxic.
@@kouyasakurada5547 This much is fine, I honestly think Steve is behaving with more integrity than the average youtuber/person. And that is fine to point out.
@@kouyasakurada5547 he's not "putting him" anywhere, he just made a reference. immediately looking for things to complain about after reading a comment definitely is toxic however
tbh, I never heard of the company, but it pretty much sounds like the "boss runs the high profile branch where he hired some of his friends while the other branch has to pay for it on minimum wage. boss of the other branch quits over it and CEO thinks he can manage" story found almost everywhere on reddit. As for the bankrupcy, it's not uncommon for stock normally used in liquidation for refunds etc. suddenly vanishes, sometimes into the warehouse of a new company from the same owner. I hope the staff that did the honest work finds new jobs in a serious company.
That guy looks like he is going to have a fine career as a used car salesman.
Gonna make an awesome deal to get you into this awesome 1997 Taurus
He'll go back to living in his mommy and daddies mansion like the detached spoiled brat he is.
After this I doubt he could even get a job selling Cellphones at The Source after this XD
When he gets out of prison. Changing the rules of a contest multiple times, across state lines, ordering all refunds cancelled and then all production cancelled too, and running an illegal lottery (chance, prize, and the demand of something in return for the contest) are all criminal offenses. Which run afoul of consumer protection laws. In California. He commited consumer protection fraud crimes in California. He's fucked.
That's also assuming someone doesn't make a serious case that he's deliberately running a pyramid scheme, which is also illegal. MLMs skirt a fine line with legal precision and finesse. Noah DoucheLord Katz does not have those qualities. At all.
Yup. He seemed to think he could just bullshit his way out of trouble. He probably still thinks he can, if only he can generate enough bullshit. It looks like they were circling the drain under the direction of Noah Starlord, but he added a spectacularly stupid flourish to it.
Buying some tech can be a nightmare of an experience. I can easily guarantee your collection of videos on youtube has saved me thousands of dollars. Thank you for your incredible work, GN.
After about 0.5 seconds of watching him, that CEO dude went into the 'Obvious Sleezeball' category.
I feel like steve can literally become the guy that every company criticize but every consumer loves. Thanks Steve.
Holy sheet, Artesian fired their employees on the 3rd paragraph of a "attn y'all" msg, treating the firings as if it was some tertiary down the list of importance.
Artesian really does not think highly of their employees. Shame this wasn't a co-op, the employees could have fired the CEO long ago and kept their jobs.
Never trust a company which uses Discord to convey professional messages.
@@lightly-red-huedmaleindivi6266 definite red flag. if for no other reason than security concerns.
They were supposedly considering an employee-led buyout but obviously that didn't bear out.
I spent most of this video thinking along the lines of "I wonder if Steve and Jay (due to locations) can help these people potentially get some new employment." When you mentioned gathering their info and trying to help them out I realized the true reason I love Gamers Nexus and why I continue to support and watch. Like you said, there's not much more of a story here, seem like one person had a different plan for a company that was appently doing good work in spite of his efforts. Let him keep chasing streamers and you guys can help out the people who made the company what it was and did the real work. "Thanks Steve" and the team for being a force for good. All of your work is greatly appreciated.
"no one can destroy a company in a week"
Artesian Builds CEO: " hold my beer"
this has been going on much longer
Yeah i think the disaster has been half a year in the making, given COO quit in november. It probably took at least months if not years until that person could no longer take the bullshit from above.
@@the-shork yea I know that but the his actions in the last week took the company down. It would have been afloat longer, they had the clientel to keep the company running. His actions made them lose all their sponsors, lost complete public confidence, alienated their whole consumer base, and potentially, saw someone was an attorney in another state say that his actions were illegal opened a huge huge lawsuit from the government. I pretty much can say with confidence he destroyed the company in a week.
@@mugenxfromxthex8962 no. Their tax status was suspended. This has nothing to do with giving streamer builds or any of that. And they do have clients. They have over 6 months of back orders... What are you even talking about.
@@UsaRubber I honestly have no clue wtf you're talking about. You bring up their tax status suspension for I don't know what reason then you say they have clients which is exactly what I said.
too often there's a "common sense policy" that sees these types of arrogant, heartless people as the best fit for the job. in the end, they don't care enough to save their company because it'll be easier for them to just move on
Yes, you need a sociopath with a heart of gold, reminds me of Ender's Game (the book, not the movie)
It really does warm my heart that in a world rife with cynical and shady corporations and businessmen, we have guys like the GN team fighting the good fight
Yes, yes, corporations and profit oriented businesses are your friends. Now buy some merch for you and your family to show your appreciation for the good fight.
Steve is like a beacon of truth and honesty. Keep doing what your doing and I will like, up vote and recommend the work you do. It actually reinforces the quality and honesty of the reviews and recommendations that you produce.
@@DGP406 cringe
@@DGP406 its not intrinsically evil to run a business that uses it's platform to independently report on the wrong doing of the world. believe it or not, in this capitalistically society we've entombed ourselves in one does need a little bit of money to get places.
@@DGP406 yes yes, anyone richer or more powerful than you is out to get you. anything capitalist or profit-oriented is inherently evil, something something 1%. I'm sure you've completely insulated yourself from any goods, services, an/or content that is created by the exploitation of labor.
My hero.
The fact that Noah took a totally recoverable situation into the death of his company, is so comical. The fact that he allowed his big, douchebag ego to step in, is the real kicker in all of this. I feel terrible for the employees that have lost their jobs and for kiapiaa, because she clearly won the giveaway. Thanks for bringing awareness to this, Steve. You have my full support.
Well don’t feel too bad for kia twocentsjay built her a computer that is 5x better in every way then the shit Artesian was being greedy with lol
@@Dr.BrightM I saw that Jayz episode where he built that pc for her. The moment i saw what had happened i just knew Artesian wasn't gonna last for much longer. A so called "CEO" , which is in fact a douchebag, that pulls stupid sh*t like that...bound for disaster.
You all believe this wasn't a planned "disaster" then? Ok great. Lol.
@@DailyCorvid yes ceos with idiotic egos totally never mismanage companies to fuck and back. Totally.
Never trust a CEO in a leather jacket. Or just never trust a CEO. The fact that Steve had to stop and tell waiting customers to cancel the charges shows he cares more about the customers than the CEO does.
never trust a CEO that LARPs as an MCU character 🙄
Jen Sun Huang wants to know your location :P
And never trust a CEO wearing a turtleneck.
@@catriona_drummond He looks like if Dr. Lisa Su was a biker! 🔥
not all CEO's are bad, but the truth is to get into upper management you have to have some degree of narcissism mixed with a high degree of conscientousness and personal ability. The problem here is the guy has nothing but narcissism.
This contains the more clips of the original video than I have seen previously. That CEO is so smug and unpleasent that twice now during clips I've thought "this guy is painful to watch I'm going to close this" only to remember as I'm grabbing my mouse that Steve will be back in a moment and everything will be good again.
The beauty of this whole situation is that the little streamer he dumped on so gleefully as a nothing is in no small part the domino pusher and why they're going bye bye. I hope their employees find much more rewarding employment, which admittedly shouldn't be very difficult. EDIT: Newegg is very thankful for Noah right about now.
@Jon said "Newegg is very thankful for Noah right about now."
That thought crossed my mind, too... I hope they also consider how easily their last second shenanigans could have put them in a similar boat...
a bit like Covid and Ukraine
Actually doubt the stream had any effect on the collapse of the business, it just meant many eyes were watching this company when it unraveled.
Even if the orders stopped coming in entirely, it was far to soon for this type of impact. The COO leaving in November was a huge red flag to the real issues behind the collapse.
Changing the Giveaway Rules mid stream seems as if it was a symptom of the imminent collapse, and the poor business decisions that led to it, like NOT paying State taxes.
Suspension of business Notification, for not paying the Government won't come out of the blue, CEO knew it was coming, and likely knew 3 months ago when the COO resigned.
@@alexeisavrasov888 Russian troll detected.
Given how the CEO seems to have made EXACTLY the wrong decision at every point since the drawing, I can only wonder at how many bad decisions before it will soon be revealed.
Or how they even managed to get as big as they were in the first place...
@@gitrekt-gudson eh... Yeah, but also... Give a half competent sales rep and an entertaining "face", not hard to have an initial growth spurt. Before the stupidity catches up with them.
@@gitrekt-gudson The COO do all the real work and grow the company to much bigger than it was but get rejected when asking for a raise and ofc COO left the company and it went downhill after that
THERANOS WAS BILLED EXACTLY SAME WAY SHE PAID
THE PRICE FOR LYING TO EVERYONE ABOUT HER PRODUCT
I feel awful for the employees that worked for such an incompetent ceo after the coo left. Noah Katz is shockingly immature to hold that sort of responsibility
I'm always amazed at how some absolute dummies are able to build successful companies. Really goes to show how money doesn't mean anything.
These pieces are some of my favourite done on TH-cam at the moment by anyone, not for the factor of the drama but for the reality, honesty and integrity behind all of it.
Thank you Steve and the team, you're being heard and you're important as heck in this space. Keep it up.
It's incredible how the CEO treated everything almost as a joke while the company was going up in flames. Great job as always Steve, GN is always growing in quality thanks to you
Well, Guy itself is a joke mostlikely =)
“Why should we have to obey tax or sweepstakes laws? Can’t you see we are giving away PCs for /free/? (*only valid if you have enough subscribers to afford the PC anyway.)”
Idk, I think the employees got lucky long term. I think a sudden company death gives the employees some benefits. Firing a certain number of people at once, for example, forces the company to provide severance pay for all lost employees. Probably better than the company slowly leaking air through a series of small but continuous layoffs.
I am so impressed with your absolute integrity on this and the other stuff you've done. It's so heartwarming to know to watch as you have the courage to actually show yourself working out the morality of all of this in front of the camera. Very impressive. When I first subbed to your channel I was mainly in for your hardware news, but in the last year plus you've really grown as a team and it makes me feel like a proud mama bear to see it.
I was going to say something like that. But you did it much better.
I've been dealing with a true sociopath in my life for almost 10 years now. This (former) CEO displays all of the same behaviors. They lack the ability to truly sympathize with anyone they've hurt. Truly sad for his employees and customers he's screwed over. Helping his teams find new employment is amazing!
Textbook case.
Exactly what I was thinking. Really creepy how he dings a lot of the mannerisms.
Psychopathic traits are often found in CEOs, politicians, lawyers, ect. I see it in him as well. Bobby Kodick is one of them. I'm sorry you've had to deal with someone like that, I can't imagine what it must be like. I hope you're doing ok.
Yeah, he has a lot of the characteristics of a BPD case: Lack of empathy, detachment from reality, weird mannerisms and voice tone.
That screenshot Weest got where the CEO claimed their “social medias were DDOSed” had me bawling at how pathetic this all is
@wow gey
They reformatted the drives and installed DR-DOS!
Flux capacitor’s been overloaded guys… it’s a bust
Server ran out of dedicated RAM. Everyone go home, sorry :(
saw Gundan's coverage, massive props to Gamers Nexus' team for their integrity
You definitely had me taking notes with the way you were communicating with them. Going to start in my first job soon, and the no BS energy of your emails is something that I feel like I need to improve on.
Also, great journalism over here. Keep up the good work.
"Extremely Shady" is putting it mildly. I feel for the employees that were left without a job, as this could have been avoided with proper competent leadership at the helm.
It reaks of pyramid scheme. "brand ambassedor" is classic for bullshiting pyramid, ponzy scheme.
Like you said, "Totally Recoverable". It's like being in a plane at 10,000 feet and your engine goes out. You may not make it to your destination but you still have plenty of time to look for a place to get her down safely. Or I guess you could just point it toward the ground and throw it in a spin and just give up. In fact, "if" he put his heart into it he could still recover. But he won't try. he's too big for himself.
Or just bail in your conveniently pre rigged parachute.
@@JaredJanhsen and dare say "take the money and run"?