John, Paul and I talk through Amendment 2 of BS7671:2018(2022). Honest opinions - no sponsors. Join this channel to get access to perks: / @sparkyninja
Excellent, I started with the 12 edition, life was much more simpler then, mind you I actually lived in a house with NO electricity when I was a lad. You “lads” are definitely so helpful to both young and old, thank you all so much
Thank you. What I love about these podcasts is that just when I think I have the gist of something, your comments and conversation make me think again - it’s thinking again that makes me better at what I do. This is a good thing.
Fantastic detail Gents all this will make a difference to the Industry in time. The fact that this content can be used and referred to is a brilliant resource. Many thanks
Great video guy’s 👍❤️ Point on RCD testing You mentioned lewden , Gaz at eFixx did a video were he interviewed the technical manager from lewden and the technical training manager from the ECA and the both said that we only need to test RCDs on the AC setting on our MFTs but if we want to carry out all the tests then we can but we don’t have to, this was a couple of months ago well before amendment 2. Fantastic video guy’s good clear and easy to understand , 👍👍👍❤️
Thanks Fellors very informative and definitely making me think. One thing of note you were suggesting C2s on EICRs for lack of type A RCD protection . This will require an amendment to the 'Electrical Safety First - Best practice Guide no 4 as all Private Rented Sector Inspectors in NICEIC/ELECSA(not sure about NAPIT) as part of their registration have signed up to following the guidance of this particular document when carrying out these EICRs. Where RCDs are concerned on a TN system a C2 is only warranted for the absence of 30mA RCD protection on an outside socket or in a bathroom where RCD is missing and there is no supplementary bonding to metallic pipework or class 1 fittings. So any flat not on the ground floor with class 2 fittings only in a bathroom and plastic pipework does not require any protection by RCD and will still get a Satisfactory as it does not require an RCD for fault protection. Forgive me if I am wrong but the countries listed where type ACs are banned all require RCD protection for Fault protection as well as Additional protection . So I would say a C3 on a TN system and a C2 on a TT system. It will be interesting to see what the Electrical Safety council make of this.
Thank you for the great content, watched the IET video too. like how you discussed the changes. AFDD's would be ideal for buildings with a thatched roof.
Thanks guys for your tremendous efforts in producing these vidios. Outstanding effort in educating the masses. As is always the case...it's alright that the guys and girls in the trade are aware of this.....BUT....what are the powers that be doing to educate the general public....for me...that is where the massive gap is. Price a job ...explain the regs.....and a blank expression or a sharp intake of breath, usually follows....when you give them the price to be reg compliant. Someone, somewhere, needs to educate the general public.
Is there a date and time where you three legends do your meeting of the minds. John ward is my personal hero and I love these collaborations you guys do.
slightly interesting thank you. Am I understanding correctly that in domestics, any socket circuits now worked on (minor works)will require SPD's . how about cookers and showers? In HMOs do we have to fit AFDD's on socket circuits if we work on them plus fit an SPD. I may have to re watch this one and not at 1am
regulation 411.4.2 earth electrode, if installing an EV charger on a PME network even with PEN protection then does this mean we now have to install an earth electrode or does an EV installation fall under the category (outbuilding). Also what if we get a dedicated PME supply into a feeder pillar from the DNO for on street charging do we have to install this earth electrode again even if there is PEN fault protection
I would say the rest of the electrical installation will require the electrode in parallel with met connection as the o pen device is covering just the ev part?
You're expected to plan installation work to that effect, where possible. Install connections, then test before lamping. You can always test a circuit or a room at a time as you install and just add the parallels. Existing systems will be live to earth as per usual. Or install an IMD.
@@SparkyNinja I'm guessing IMD could be an insulation monitoring device?......Thanks for your reply..My problem is that I have nothing to do with the actual installs,only the testing ....I probably could pay for a mewp at £300 a day plus delivery and collection fees(I dont do many domestic ) to unplug the downlights if theyre on plugs and risk damaging the freshly touched in painters caulk where the installation spark had made the hole a little big.....but quite often the likes of fluorescents are hard wired in,security lights on the outside of buildings 40 meters up in the air so a bigger outdoor cherry picker needed for that one.......Trying to get the installation company to coordinate when they have enough stuff ready for testing before final fit is very difficult if not impossible ..it just wouldn't pay..............................When I was doing installation work I would do as you have suggested...
With reference to the comment about inverters...There are many UPS systems out there with which the earth loop will be impossible to test....Often the system has no reference to earth.....when going through the ups .batteries.I have questioned this and ..the disconection time I have been led to believe by Schneider,Vertiv,Socomec et al..is handled by the electronics within the inverter itself...Please advise otherwise.
Excellent, I started with the 12 edition, life was much more simpler then, mind you I actually lived in a house with NO electricity when I was a lad. You “lads” are definitely so helpful to both young and old, thank you all so much
And another thing Mr Meehan “ Paddy Friends” could be considered racist ? 😂😂😂
You guys ROCK! Selflessly sharing your precious knowledge on these subjects.
Greatly appreciated and Keep it up guys.
God bless ya
Thank you. What I love about these podcasts is that just when I think I have the gist of something, your comments and conversation make me think again - it’s thinking again that makes me better at what I do. This is a good thing.
Well said Mr g 👏
Fantastic detail Gents all this will make a difference to the Industry in time. The fact that this content can be used and referred to is a brilliant resource.
Many thanks
John Ward is a British legend.
Glad you’ve posted this so soon. I wasn’t able to attend last night.
Superb content as always lads, thank you for all your efforts 👍🏻
Great video guy’s 👍❤️
Point on RCD testing
You mentioned lewden , Gaz at eFixx did a video were he interviewed the technical manager from lewden and the technical training manager from the ECA and the both said that we only need to test RCDs on the AC setting on our MFTs but if we want to carry out all the tests then we can but we don’t have to, this was a couple of months ago well before amendment 2.
Fantastic video guy’s good clear and easy to understand ,
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Great webinar fellas. Most informative video about currently
Brilliant info guys thanks very much..
Many thanks for posting guys..couldn't get involved last night. Still waiting for my copy from the NICEIC anyhow..sigh!
Thanks Fellors very informative and definitely making me think. One thing of note you were suggesting C2s on EICRs for lack of type A RCD protection . This will require an amendment to the 'Electrical Safety First - Best practice Guide no 4 as all Private Rented Sector Inspectors in NICEIC/ELECSA(not sure about NAPIT) as part of their registration have signed up to following the guidance of this particular document when carrying out these EICRs. Where RCDs are concerned on a TN system a C2 is only warranted for the absence of 30mA RCD protection on an outside socket or in a bathroom where RCD is missing and there is no supplementary bonding to metallic pipework or class 1 fittings. So any flat not on the ground floor with class 2 fittings only in a bathroom and plastic pipework does not require any protection by RCD and will still get a Satisfactory as it does not require an RCD for fault protection. Forgive me if I am wrong but the countries listed where type ACs are banned all require RCD protection for Fault protection as well as Additional protection . So I would say a C3 on a TN system and a C2 on a TT system. It will be interesting to see what the Electrical Safety council make of this.
Thank you for the great content, watched the IET video too. like how you discussed the changes. AFDD's would be ideal for buildings with a thatched roof.
Thank you for the great presentation!
Great video. Very interesting and informative. Thanks chaps. 👍
24:08 Interesting - would that apply to the outer sheath of a coax delivered broadband service from a cable TV type telecoms operator?
What magic box have they added now, thanks for making it easier to understand and free information
Another mistake in GN3 is that it still claims that socket in bathroom can be installed no closer than 3m from zone 0
Thank you
Its nice to see you three on one video, because I like your individual videos...
Missed the live event but glad to see it reposted here.
Thanks guys for your tremendous efforts in producing these vidios. Outstanding effort in educating the masses.
As is always the case...it's alright that the guys and girls in the trade are aware of this.....BUT....what are the powers that be doing to educate the general public....for me...that is where the massive gap is.
Price a job ...explain the regs.....and a blank expression or a sharp intake of breath, usually follows....when you give them the price to be reg compliant.
Someone, somewhere, needs to educate the general public.
Is there a date and time where you three legends do your meeting of the minds. John ward is my personal hero and I love these collaborations you guys do.
Thanks again for the mention e5 Group!
slightly interesting thank you. Am I understanding correctly that in domestics, any socket circuits now worked on (minor works)will require SPD's . how about cookers and showers? In HMOs do we have to fit AFDD's on socket circuits if we work on them plus fit an SPD. I may have to re watch this one and not at 1am
thanks for content
Great info, thanks
Recommendations is defined in the regs.
Can I keep the blue book which I had paid over 100 pounds for? Or do I have ro shell out another 100 pounds for the brown book?
Great posting...loved it!
Thanks gents
regulation 411.4.2 earth electrode, if installing an EV charger on a PME network even with PEN protection then does this mean we now have to install an earth electrode or does an EV installation fall under the category (outbuilding). Also what if we get a dedicated PME supply into a feeder pillar from the DNO for on street charging do we have to install this earth electrode again even if there is PEN fault protection
I would say the rest of the electrical installation will require the electrode in parallel with met connection as the o pen device is covering just the ev part?
has J.W.got a never ending coffee.I'm at 1hr 10 mins and hes still going strong
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so I am now expected to disconnect every light in the building (could be hundreds).No one is going to pay the additional time for that
You're expected to plan installation work to that effect, where possible. Install connections, then test before lamping. You can always test a circuit or a room at a time as you install and just add the parallels.
Existing systems will be live to earth as per usual.
Or install an IMD.
@@SparkyNinja I'm guessing IMD could be an insulation monitoring device?......Thanks for your reply..My problem is that I have nothing to do with the actual installs,only the testing ....I probably could pay for a mewp at £300 a day plus delivery and collection fees(I dont do many domestic ) to unplug the downlights if theyre on plugs and risk damaging the freshly touched in painters caulk where the installation spark had made the hole a little big.....but quite often the likes of fluorescents are hard wired in,security lights on the outside of buildings 40 meters up in the air so a bigger outdoor cherry picker needed for that one.......Trying to get the installation company to coordinate when they have enough stuff ready for testing before final fit is very difficult if not impossible ..it just wouldn't pay..............................When I was doing installation work I would do as you have suggested...
@@SparkyNinja hi from EQ I used to be on your Discord channel for ages, but for some reason it has all gone and I can't find it?
With reference to the comment about inverters...There are many UPS systems out there with which the earth loop will be impossible to test....Often the system has no reference to earth.....when going through the ups .batteries.I have questioned this and ..the disconection time I have been led to believe by Schneider,Vertiv,Socomec et al..is handled by the electronics within the inverter itself...Please advise otherwise.
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This is longer than a new james bond movie but i know which is more worthwhile watching 😀
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I passed my 2391-52 your videos helped a lot thanks a bunch mr ninja 🥷