2.4L Toyota Excessive Oil Consumption - Part 1

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  • Continued in part 2 here: • 2.4L Toyota Excessive ...
    Follow up here: • Toyota 2.4L Oil Consum...
    We tear down a 2007 Toyota Rav4 to fix an excessive engine oil consumption issue. This is a major job that requires replacing the pistons and rings. This issue is covered under an extended warranty program, but this vehicle is outside the cutoff parameters.
    You can read the TSB here: drive.google.c...
    The TSB is not an all inclusive guide. It only provides the information not included in the normal service manual. You will still need a service manual to perform this job.

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  • @andrew_koala2974
    @andrew_koala2974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    The video presentation is excellent.
    The cadence is perfect making it easy to hear every word clearly.
    Top marks for not rushing the explanations.
    One tip though, wear some kind of gloves you can work with.
    Prevents any serious injury and just as important to keep the hands clean.
    No woman likes grubby oil damaged hands and fingers on her or inside her.
    Besides that you risk dermatitis, which is painful when the skin begins cracking and
    leaves open sores as you age.
    I know of two mechanics who have this problem, and one other who died 15 or so years
    who also suffered with this.
    His reasoning was as he mentioned . it was not 'Manly' in his tine to use protective
    hand cream or gloves --- Society pressure to conform to stupid ideology is dangerous
    and it over-rides the logical thought process for many people just to be a social conformist.

    • @gatewaysolo104
      @gatewaysolo104 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Working in gloves is a pain. Have you ever tried starting a bolt deep in an engine cavity you can't see and can barely fit your your thumb and index finger?

  • @WatchWesWork
    @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

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    Double Hex Socket for Head Bolts - amzn.to/2DnURMU
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    Socket for Oil Filter Nipple - amzn.to/2Iyo1wb

  • @belgardandy
    @belgardandy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    I'd love to have a beer with you man. You seem like such a nice guy. 👍

  • @spelunkerd
    @spelunkerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I've often wondered whether the newer thin oils will tolerate the expected increase in ring gap as an engine ages. If tolerance is lower, the engine is expected to die sooner. You don't have to be a cynic to know that early death fits nicely with the business model of manufacturers in general. This is gonna be a fun repair to follow along.

    • @richbrake9910
      @richbrake9910 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is just being a realist, not a cynic....haha

  • @olnamgrunt9857
    @olnamgrunt9857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    When working as a mechanic I was always told a mechanic's car would always be the worst running lol

    • @PsyMongazoid
      @PsyMongazoid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol, yeah. _Never_ buy a car from a mechanic!

    • @jeromeclements6532
      @jeromeclements6532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, it's true. Kind of like the cobblers children going barefoot.

  • @nvlvdave
    @nvlvdave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ..."not a factory-trained Toyota Tech"...You are, however, an obviously highly-skilled and experienced general mechanic and tech with a good head on your shoulders and some great training somewhere along the line. The fact that you are so humble about your abilities makes it that much more impressive.

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm competent enough to do that job, but I don't want to give the impression that I've done 30 of them and I know every trick.

  • @rajive67
    @rajive67 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I also have a 2007 RV4 LIMITED with 90000 miles, I guess I need to look forward to doing this repair in the future -:) , Thanks for the Video and perfect explanation.

  • @curtis1951
    @curtis1951 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    You know Toyotas are good when their bad engine will do over 200k.

    • @adammosley512
      @adammosley512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      270 k burns a qt every 2 weeks but still going strong

    • @kman-mi7su
      @kman-mi7su 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adammosley512 Mine is doing the same 2003 with 255k on it still going strong. I'm looking at replacing the motor with a used one.

    • @adammosley512
      @adammosley512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kman-mi7su I was thinking about doing that but to be honest the cars is worth maybe 2 grand. Even burning a quart every 2weeks I'm only spending 7 bucks for oil a month so 84 bucks in oil a year still cheaper then getting a new or used motor. I have found if you do a seafoam treatment and use Shell v-power gas it will cut down the oil consumption quite a bit but that route is more expensive than just getting oil

    • @kman-mi7su
      @kman-mi7su 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@adammosley512 Eventually it will kill your catalytic converter though. I'm going to go ahead with it next year. I have seen low mileage motors from Japan for about 1200 bucks. It will work for me because I will keep the car for even more years and I have an engine hoist to DIY the job and knock the labor part out of the equation. For me, when I buy a new car, I will be its first and last owner before the junkyard. I plan to do the car the same way, when I give it up it will have nothing left to give.

    • @adammosley512
      @adammosley512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kman-mi7su yea I know😔 honestly I think my Cats are at the end but for 1200 bucks that's not bad especially if you can do all the work yourself

  • @mannyoliveira5521
    @mannyoliveira5521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wes, you are a trooper. Toyota should be ashamed! This multi billion dollar company has no balls. This should have all been fixed by Toyota free of charge because they failed when they produced this crappy engine and screwed millions of customers. How could these assholes do this to people who spent their hard earned money and trusted Toyota when they purchased these vehicles? I am also a victim of this and I swear that I will NEVER, EVER buy a Toyota again as long as I live! SHAME ON YOU TOYOTA!

  • @marshallpoe8087
    @marshallpoe8087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You wasted over 31 gallons of oil through burning it for 50,000 miles. Calculate that cost!

  • @BV-ym9pk
    @BV-ym9pk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    “I will torque that to factory spec. CLICK!” LMAO xD

    • @yzhang8629
      @yzhang8629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1822 B.V. 27:59, if anyone is curious

    • @FaustoTheBoozehound
      @FaustoTheBoozehound 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ol' calibrated wrist

    • @haz2003z1
      @haz2003z1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FaustoTheBoozehound l
      °

  • @JourneymanRandy
    @JourneymanRandy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Your wife helps about the same amount as mine. Her Honda Accord had a coolant leak and she cooked the whole engine a few years ago. I was lucky I found an engine cheap and swapped it in a day. It's a big job. Nice work Wes

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That's what I was afraid of. She's like a typical driver, if the car starts, it must be fine. I had to constantly check the oil for her so we didn't lose the engine. I'm hoping after this she can go back to ignoring it.

    • @darthdarthbinkss
      @darthdarthbinkss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Heywood Jablowme god damn it 😂

    • @503challenger
      @503challenger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well actually you cook the engine because you are responsible for her car. Unless she's a mechanic of course. It's something that goes with being married and you need to step up to the pump and take responsibility for it

  • @ligurian728
    @ligurian728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I guess Toyota's not perfect. Buy American. And don't tell me about factories in Kentucky; the money goes to Japan.

  • @cloudrehzii
    @cloudrehzii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mine Burns About 1 1/2 Quarts Every 450 Miles And My Cat Is Trash Now . Would Love To Do This Job But My Motivation Is Poop

  • @CALVINLNIKONT
    @CALVINLNIKONT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I would never pass up a chance to change the timing belt!

  • @mikeward2922
    @mikeward2922 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2007 Rav4 in my stable, same engine, and guess what. 1 quart gone after, you guessed it, 400 miles. So, I'm intently watching these videos. Thanks for this.

  • @randypurtteman1183
    @randypurtteman1183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ahh, for the old Ford V8 Flathead, even it did have a tendency to overheat. At least you didn't have three hours of crap to remove before you could start to remove the engine.

  • @raymathews7035
    @raymathews7035 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had that problem with my 09 Camry (oil burning) it was burning 3qts for every 5k miles..
    Instead of messing with it I used it as a trade in for a 2013 Camry. Now I don't have this problem .
    I rather have it be you than me...😐😆😆 Don't forget to wear your mask😷 now. Your car might have the virus 😆😆😆😆...

  • @haroldjohnson8879
    @haroldjohnson8879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wes I'm new to your video and found your narration very interesting I particularly like your honesty in the pricing and find it interesting . YR presentation & shop R well thought out, thanks

  • @michaelbuffolinojr5375
    @michaelbuffolinojr5375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good morning Wes. Like I said I'm the early bird that catches the worm lol. Well I did my research and you are 825 miles from me and driving time 12 hours and 32 minutes for a young normal person the reason why I say this is because I'm not normal. I'm 71 years young and I have lung and brain cancers. There has to be a mechanic that does the kind of work you do closer to where I live. Well I'm a subscriber to your channel and if you don't mind I would like to keep you informed on the changing of the oil consumption, like changing from 0 W 20 too 10 W 40 to see if I burn less oil. As always Thank You very much Michael Buffolino Jr.

  • @LibertyTree33
    @LibertyTree33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice work brother. Dude does a better job than most toyota certification mechanics. I wish I had a shop like you. But seriously nice job...well done.

    • @thedeerhunter4407
      @thedeerhunter4407 ปีที่แล้ว

      ditto

    • @RonaldRagn
      @RonaldRagn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Toyota certified "mechanics" don't dooo....... anything! So that's not saying much. All Toyota does is get you to run the clock on your warranty. They're idiots.

  • @bblythe1988
    @bblythe1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's been a Toyota problem longer than that.

  • @DangerousSportsForSeniors
    @DangerousSportsForSeniors 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Love the torque spec on the pulley. The highly calibrated elbow.

    • @ve7yan
      @ve7yan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I heard the click.

  • @slembever
    @slembever 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    seems like toyota has been making this "mistake" for about 10 + years , funny how they still have a good reputation

    • @PathosRx
      @PathosRx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll never buy a new model Toyota again

  • @desiderious1
    @desiderious1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So much for legendary Toyota quality.
    This amount of oil consumption on any car engine should not be considered normal.
    It's a cop out from admitting they have a poorly engineered and designed engine.

  • @jonathanmartell6707
    @jonathanmartell6707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I had to do a similar job in a corolla. It eventually burned a couple of the exhaust valves, and I had to replace the head. Certainly not a fun job to do in a backyard. It was a pain, but I did it with the engine in the car.

  • @halcampbell1384
    @halcampbell1384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wes, what's your method to know which fasteners go with which components when it's time to reassemble? Especially with a large undertaking such as this project? Would love to hear from you.

  • @kevinritchie9227
    @kevinritchie9227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We have a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe. About 75000 miles I noticed when I changed the oil that it seemed like it was low. So I kept a check on it and I was adding about a quart per 1000 miles. Hyundai changed the motor and added a lifetime warranty on it. Not sure what the issue was, but would be nice to find out.

  • @warntheidiotmasses7114
    @warntheidiotmasses7114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude! Get rid of the car and the wife before you end up in one of those corrupt "bust up your family" cohorts and you're ordered to pay alimony and child support. 20 years of bar girl finds in Thailand will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Shoulda coulda woulda!!

  • @alouisschafer7212
    @alouisschafer7212 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kind disappointed in Toyota here.
    Remember these guys once build Cars like the Supra.

    • @PathosRx
      @PathosRx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now bmw builds Supras (z4)

  • @captaintoyota3171
    @captaintoyota3171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its a yota just keep throwing 2qts ever 5k itll keep running. Ive limped many yotas many many miles with oil burning

    • @PathosRx
      @PathosRx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but you are going to wear out your 🐱

  • @jocrp6
    @jocrp6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    BMW say's,,, 1 qt oil per thousand miles is normal,,, 2 qt's per thousand miles on their turbo models is normal,, All the manufactures are using light tension piston rings to fight friction and to give you better gas mileage at the sacrifice of oil,

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's crazy.

    • @PathosRx
      @PathosRx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup, they don’t care about longevity
      The Ow20 oil is water thin - no wonder it gets past the weak rings

  • @pearcemachineshop5200
    @pearcemachineshop5200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Good luck Wes, I doubt you’ll need it though, you seam pretty confident with it, nice job with the pulley.
    Al.

    • @andrew_koala2974
      @andrew_koala2974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Alan Pearce
      SEEM pretty confident -NOT- seam pretty confident
      You need to read more BOOKs and learn correct English.
      How you make errors with such simple words is unbelievable for someone your age.
      Age 7 students in my English classes do not make such mistakes.
      They academically outclass you. Know that and educate your-self.
      And NO it's not a TYPO which is easily recognized. So no excuses.
      And don't waste your time in reply. I don't want to know.
      You have to help your-self. My job is done.

    • @pearcemachineshop5200
      @pearcemachineshop5200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sorry Andrew I didn’t mean to offend you, fuck you dick head, have I spelt it correctly, 😁😁😁😁 I couldn’t give a flying fuck about spelling or your opinion either, 👌

  • @tommyvendetta4275
    @tommyvendetta4275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 2AZ-FE and the 1ZZ-FE are the worst Toyota Engines I've ever experienced....

  • @mdotguy
    @mdotguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only minutes in, and you've called the RAV4 a hot-rod, and when referring to the Toyota techs, you say "if they can do it, we can do it".... I wonder if you're subscribed to a certain personable TH-cam automotive technician? Thumbs up, man

  • @eddielima7010
    @eddielima7010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you think Toyota will charge for this job ? They told me they would pro rate the cost of my car fails the test. It’s a 2009 Camry 2.4 with 94K miles . They told me I’d have to set up a claim with them

  • @michaelbuffolinojr5375
    @michaelbuffolinojr5375 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wes like I have been saying if you wasn't that far away from me I would have you do this job only because I saw you doing it to your wife's Rave 4 and I'm being totally honest with you. Your the man that I would want to do my Camry.

  • @TheJosa007
    @TheJosa007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your video for sure was helpful for me. Thank you very
    Much for sharing prices

  • @kenmccormick3052
    @kenmccormick3052 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its too much money to risk getting a engine that is also a oil burner.

  • @johnfry9010
    @johnfry9010 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wes if it can be fixed you will do it , nice work !

  • @ScottDLR
    @ScottDLR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Great respect for fixing the old tensioner. Really feels like you beat the system when you can do stuff like that.

    • @dr_jones
      @dr_jones ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ditto 🙌
      It’s so refreshing to see the bearing replacement. Very clever and resourceful.

  • @seancrowe3353
    @seancrowe3353 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've progressed to knowing how to change an oil filter. I think this video is a bit ahead of me lol

  • @eformance
    @eformance 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    17:34 Wow, that wreck really did a number on your transfer case!

  • @CT-gj1ou
    @CT-gj1ou 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11/10/21, Wes…I wished I had some knowledge to do this. I happen to run across your videos. have a 2007 Camry that is burning a lot of oil as you described. I don’t think I can do what you did, when I found out about this I had 165,000+ miles on my vehicle 3-4 years ago. I believe the manager said the mileage was cut off at less then 150,000 for the recalled, which I never had a letter sent. I’m sitting at 235,000 right now and was thinking about trading it in for Camry a little newer then mine. What’s a good year to get without this oil consumption problems. Thanks

    • @stevenlamb8726
      @stevenlamb8726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @C T - Toyota started replacing these engines around 2010. The engine you want to get in the newer Camry is the 2.5L 2AR-FE. This is essentially the redesign of the oil burning engine covered in this video.

    • @CT-gj1ou
      @CT-gj1ou 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Steven Lamb, thank you.

  • @JJ-iw7nh
    @JJ-iw7nh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1 qt per 1000 miles in acceptable for Honda

  • @RyeOnHam
    @RyeOnHam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the 2009. New evap canister (from Matrix). New Radiator. New CV's. New alternator. New Water Pump. New oil Filter Housing (Blew out 8 hours from home).

  • @mejesse809
    @mejesse809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a 2007 Scion Tc, it started using oil at 80k miles, it uses 1 qt oil every 1000k miles, took it to Toyota for the oil consumption test, they said it was within spec? Crooks!

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A quart in a million miles seems pretty good 😁

    • @shawnrosado1101
      @shawnrosado1101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Toyota dealer did the same to me, now mine is burning a quart every 500 mile

  • @chuckschillingvideos
    @chuckschillingvideos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The reason the Toyota mechanics don't replace anything else in the factory repair is they only get reimbursed by Toyota for this very specific service. Toyota doesn't pay the dealer for preemptive/preventive repairs. Lucky for you, this is a non-interference engine so it won't destroy itself if the belt/chain fails.

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not so sure the 2AZ in non interference. In fact, I've seen one that took a hit to the intake valves. Maybe that was from carbon build up, but they are not totally safe.

  • @mattcurry29
    @mattcurry29 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool thank you Wes, like you said there isn't to much info on TH-cam about the fix. All video are greatly appeached. Matt C.

  • @Bushy556
    @Bushy556 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d throw some 5w-30 in it. That should help if it’s burning. I had a 99 Tacoma with the same engine and that was the recommended oil weight. Everyone going to 20w oil is for fuel economy only because in a lab they can get .1% better fuel economy due to the thinner oil.

  • @swamperdogoutdoors
    @swamperdogoutdoors 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Really great learning tool. I came over here and subscribed from Unstoppable Morgan's channel. Kudos to you for helping folks out.

  • @rainvillecreative5410
    @rainvillecreative5410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just did a leakdown test on my gf's RAV4, which burns about a quart every 1000 miles. 2 cylinders are at 10 percent, one is at 7, and one is at 25 percent. If the oil rings get clogged and don't clean the oil off the cylinder walls, would this cause a leakdown test to fail? I'm thinking that it could have wall scoring or worn rings, rather than just clogged oil rings.

  • @amazoidal
    @amazoidal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Be glad you don''t live in Calif. You must buy an OEM cat. Part is $1700. With labor, about $2000.

    • @dashcamjourney4599
      @dashcamjourney4599 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which Cat was this? The upstream catalytic converter by the engine bay or the one on bottom of the vehicle? Thanks

    • @amazoidal
      @amazoidal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On the Prius 2nd Gen, the OEM Cat comes as the whole exhaust system.

  • @TonyMontana-tm7ul
    @TonyMontana-tm7ul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We got screwed on the Scion my wife bought 2007

  • @PorkBarrel.
    @PorkBarrel. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That's a nice little DOHC 16 valve 4-banger too bad they had an engineering problem then expect the owner to foot the bill. My little Suzuki Samurai could use one of those. Thanks for taking us along Wes.

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a well built engine, it just had one little oversight.

  • @tattoos1988
    @tattoos1988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quality work Wes loved he detail mate just a tip my engine stand kept moving round so I replaced the original wheels with locking wheels just made life easier working my way through the series

  • @kesu90
    @kesu90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative. Thanks posting the video! My mom has the same vehicle and it burns some oil. Will be switching to 5w-30 conventional.

  • @davidd8435
    @davidd8435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just curious, are you formerly trained or self taught? You explain the content that is easy to understand. Thanks. Its too bad that Toyota put stipulations on this failure, rather than just fix their error.

  • @MindsetMastery75
    @MindsetMastery75 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have WAY too many problems with that truck and it has such high miles that its not worth anything. Why put good money into a bad vehicle??? Doesn't make any sense. Just go buy another truck used. You will save money and get a better truck with lower miles. Just make sure to get one that already had the piston rings fixed.

  • @sarahartbower3453
    @sarahartbower3453 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You want excessive oil consumption? Owned a 1996 Saturn SL2, owner manual stated "one quart of oil per tank of gas is Normal". I learned to check oil !!!

  • @hatfez
    @hatfez 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait.
    What?
    Every wrench on TH-cam brags about Toyota dependability while trashing Chrysler, Ford & GM.
    OK, GM is crap, but as to my Dodge (both of them) I would rather chase bad grounds, TIPM issues and other electrical issues than replace pistons. The A604 is one of the most dependable transverse A's made.
    I'll take my chances with Ford or Chrysler, thank you.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could you have just drilled the oil drainback passages out in the old pistons, cleaned everything up and thrown it back together with a gasket kit?

    • @SteveSummers
      @SteveSummers 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was wondering the same. With 200k miles and the pistons being 60 bucks each I would have replaced them if I had to pull them anyway. But if they checked good why not?

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a good question and I don't know the answer. Visually, I don't really see a difference between the old pistons and the new ones. They have the same number of holes in about the same location. The oil ring is totally different though. The old piston used a two piece (really a one piece) oil ring. The new piston uses a 3 piece design. From what the parts man told me, after the warranty parts were in production, they stopped selling the original piston design. I don't know if the new 3 piece ring design will work with the old piston. Either way, I probably could have just cleaned the holes and replaced the rings and the engine would have made it to the end of its natural life. It never burned oil for the first 150,000 miles. I doubt it has another 150,000 miles in it.

    • @christophervanzetta
      @christophervanzetta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WatchWesWork 3 rings to force more pressure into the holes. Wooo-Hoooo!!
      Ever change the PCV every 30k miles as required?? Because if not you'll burn oil bro

  • @garyg9484
    @garyg9484 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Wes you think we do not listen but GOD Bless thanks Bro have a2005 TCam issue. THANKS for This Videos.

  • @fz1205
    @fz1205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't it possible to remove the pistons from under the engine and change the rings without pulling the engine out of the car and all that? I have seen this done once and since this is a high millage car you could do that in a few hours.

  • @colin8532
    @colin8532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy crap, what happened to the good old days when you could just pop the head off, drop the oil pan and push the pistons out the top? A little overly complicated, in my opinion. I guess this means I must be getting old lol

  • @joeMW284
    @joeMW284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've got an 09 Scion XB 181k city miles (Uber car). Same engine, same problem. A quart every 400 miles is probably about where I'm at. It's truly been an outstanding car for me in all other areas, but the oil consumption is a thorn in my side. I'm babysitting the oil level. I REALLY should have took it in for the oil consumption test when it was eligible. At the time it was making me a lot of money so not having my car for a week meant a loss in income. Foolish move. Will pay for that mistake many times over.

    • @666cemetaryslut
      @666cemetaryslut 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What did you end up doing?

    • @joeMW284
      @joeMW284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@666cemetaryslut topping off the oil when needed.

  • @barrythomas6429
    @barrythomas6429 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pretty incredible that Toyota will cover the cost up to 150k miles..design fault or not.

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. It's not quite as good as a recall, but it still seems that they stood behind their product. Though, I suspect there were some lawsuits involved.

    • @ottallman
      @ottallman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wish I knew about this. At 205k miles on this Scion xB that uses the same motor 😒

    • @wagonkit
      @wagonkit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      just missed the cutoff when I got my 09 Camry from my Grandma... Car has 58k on it right now and I'm wondering if there is anyway around this problem, like perhaps using motorflush everytime I change the oil to help with the carbon on the oil rings

    • @marspalk7611
      @marspalk7611 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No they do not, I have 2008 rav4 withsame issue and they did not cover as the dealer did not fail the oil consumption test. This dealer ship was DCH TOYOTA AND THEY OIL BURNING IS NORMAL.
      I CALLED TOYOTA AND THYE SAID THAT IT IS UP TO DEALER TO DESIDE.

  • @derekinbritishcolumbia1449
    @derekinbritishcolumbia1449 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You don't mention cylinder honing prior to installing new rings. It's usually required for new rings to seat properly, but I don't know if Toyota had different recommendations.
    What did you end up doing here? Tx.

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toyota says specifically not to hone the cylinders.

    • @derekinbritishcolumbia1449
      @derekinbritishcolumbia1449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the reply.
      Interesting that Toyota cylinders didn't require honing after this mileage.
      Sounds like the new rings have seated well as your consumption check confirmed. 👍

    • @kesu90
      @kesu90 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@derekinbritishcolumbia1449 Did you ever find out the answer to this question? The Toyota TSB says not to hone, and a Toyota Master Tech said in a class at toyota, the instructor said 2AZFE has liner in the bore and not to hone them. But if that is so, then how would you remove the glaze?

  • @eformance
    @eformance 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those looks like Toque To Yield head bolts, are you sure you shouldn't have received a complete set with the kit?

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. All of the bolts in the engine can be reused. You're supposed to check for stretched threads, but if they are in good shape they can go back in.

  • @unclemarksdiyauto
    @unclemarksdiyauto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is interesting that I just had someone try to sell me their 2006 Rav with same issue! 125,000 miles on it. Glad I saw this since I forgot that Cat probably will need replacing also! (A extra cost I didn't factor in my quick math in my head estimate) They wont sell it cheap enough so I guess I will look for another project.

  • @maxjoel5753
    @maxjoel5753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video ,my question is on a rav4 2006 model ,I noticed every time I service the car ,the. The engine oil is changed to last 5000km ,the car drys the oil under 1000km ..no visible leakages ..kindly advice

  • @anarky4321
    @anarky4321 ปีที่แล้ว

    we fixed ours....by trading it in.....which is probably what most people did

  • @docdigit4639
    @docdigit4639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this one. Very educational. Keep up the good work! 💪🏻

  • @craigorford9932
    @craigorford9932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Take the cat out

  • @kerrygleeson4409
    @kerrygleeson4409 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great job Wes look forward to the next video thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺

  • @xcross8537
    @xcross8537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My 213 Prius is getting worst, too. I have use 1 gallon since I did oil change!

  • @prevost8686
    @prevost8686 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I went to work for Toyota almost 30 years ago. Needless to say, they’ve changed so much that it’s really not the same company. Some things changed for the better, some not so much.
    We were fixing oil ring issues on Toyota long before there was any “fix” from Toyota. Oil ring gunking up was common on certain of their car engines, Trucks never had an issue. Our fix? Pull the pistons , clean them, and drill a few extra drainage holes in the pistons and install Hastings or Perfect Circle rings. Lightly hone the cylinders and re-install. Toyota engine blocks are very wear resistant in the cylinders. Light honing is sufficient.
    I purchased a 4AFE equipped Corolla that blew up because the college student let her run low on oil. I spent about $300 on parts and I’ve been running it since 2003. Doesn’t burn a drop after 150K miles. I just lapped the valves and put new guide seals on the head and that was that.
    I don’t like Toyota’s use of NPR rings for rebuild work. They’re too low of tension for my liking.
    Running a HDEO like Rotella T-5 10W30 aids in keeping the internals cleaner as well. Your HDEO are generally a good bit higher in detergents/dispersants and will keep ring pack buildup to a minimum.

    • @darthdarthbinkss
      @darthdarthbinkss 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I apologize for the random question, but I got a 2005 Buick LeSabre as my first car, but I was thinking about selling it and getting a Camry or Corolla whenever I have the sufficient funds to do so. I was thinking about either an 05-08 Corolla or 05-06 Camry, but I wasn't too sure what would be the best. As someone who worked for Toyota for so long, what year model do you think is the best/most reliable for the Corolla or the Camry?

    • @prevost8686
      @prevost8686 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Billybob Schneider Of the two I’d choose the Corolla. Other than minor issues they are hard to beat. That Buick with the 3.8L has been known to run hundreds of thousands of miles too. Some people say they get great fuel economy too. I had one customer that had one as a second car and I never did anything to it other than regular maintenance.
      The biggest thing about buying a car is finding one that has been serviced properly. I’d try to avoid lease turn-ins or rental car turn-ins. They generally get rode hard and put up wet.

    • @darthdarthbinkss
      @darthdarthbinkss 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prevost8686 I just didn't want to keep driving an "old lady" car. I should be thankful for getting a car bought for me (after waiting 10 months of broken promises). Anyways, that's not the point. After I got it, it'd get 13 mpg combined, so I brought it to my grandfather's mechanic and they replaced the thermostat, an engine mount, and fixed a rear alignment issue for like $700. Had to get the tires rotated as well. Recently had to replace another engine mount which cost another $300 because they only replaced one the previous time for some reason (which didn't to anything to fix the jolting when I put it in reverse or drive), then had to replace the spark plugs, and I need to replace some other things. That was a jumbled mess, but basically what I'm saying is I just want to sell this and get a more reliable car with better gas mileage because I'm tired of dealing with doing all sorts of repairs that should have been done before the car was put up for sale in the first place.

    • @kesu90
      @kesu90 ปีที่แล้ว

      I Prevost, I am very impressed with your 30 years of experience at Toyota and want some advice from you. I have a 2007 Toyota Rav4 burning 2 quarts oil every 1k miles. I have removed and disassembled the engine. My experience and gut instinct is to send the block to machine shop to hot tank and hone, but the the Toyota Re-call TSB says I should not hone the cylinders because there is a liner or coating on it. Should I send it to machine shop for honing? I plan to get the updated pistons from the re-call and finish the rebuild. I have rebuilt a few Honda 4 cylinder motors in the past so familiar with the overall process. Would greatly appreciate your expertise and advise in this area.

    • @prevost8686
      @prevost8686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kesu90 The updated pistons and rings will correct the issue. It’s not necessary to do anything further.

  • @akesvensson3778
    @akesvensson3778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice story telling and good technical quality on video and sound! Keep it up!!

  • @Normalhowaboutyou
    @Normalhowaboutyou 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ship my Vibe GT to Cuba? DR? Anyway to get the Labor price down?

  • @steveg8337
    @steveg8337 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, that thing is horribly varnished up. You need to up your service schedule...

  • @slypig24
    @slypig24 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We had an old Toyota Corolla rear wheel drive, with a removable cross member. I was able to remove the sump pan in place. Remove head, and push pistons up to replace rings. Now that you have worked on engine, would it be possible to do this repair with the engine in car?

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I think you could. You would have to support the engine so you can remove the engine mount attached to the front cover. The only thing you could not do is replace the rear main seal. But, that's probably not an issue, mine was not leaking at all. The engine has balancer shafts that are gear driven from the crank. You would have to split the crank case from the bottom. I'm not sure how much time you would really save, but you could do it.

    • @kramnull8962
      @kramnull8962 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny what we can do when we are forced to do so. My wife had a 96 Mercury Sable. The only way you could get the 3.0 DOHC V6 engine out of the car technically was to remove the subframe. Motor, Transmission and all. I took the engine apart inside the car and totally rebuilt it, short block out of the car of course. Was going to put the short block back in the opposite way. But a Dummy my wife knew started throwing the heads back on it, before I got back home with a couple cooling hoses I needed. I didn't have the heart to buy another set of $150 head gaskets, which had to be special ordered, so I did have to get someone to lift the car off the subframe and install the engine back in. Had it not been for that, I was going to assemble the long block inside the car. The Sables had such a long rear quarter area, you could never lift the front end up enough to get it up and over the subframe and engine. So it had to be done at a shop. Engine itself is as wide as a 351C from exhaust manifold to manifold so the rear head went well back into the firewall.

  • @smhan4412
    @smhan4412 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you suggest alternate engine for rav4 2001 1AZ

  • @markschrader7223
    @markschrader7223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When mine starts do do this can I bring it to you so you can fix it? Haha

  • @xkoreanxpowerx
    @xkoreanxpowerx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if they can do it we can do it!!!
    love it man.. i have an 04 camry 2.4 with 237k! still rolling]!

    • @sammyelliott5554
      @sammyelliott5554 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      xkoreanxpowerx me too. Just today replaced the valve cover gasket. Part was $21.00, took about 45 min.my oil change shop wanted over $400.00 to do it.

  • @michaelmolter8828
    @michaelmolter8828 ปีที่แล้ว

    McMaster bearings are notoriously terrible. I usually use Grainger for bearings and of course MMC for anything else.

  • @chrisarneson8644
    @chrisarneson8644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now that you have done that process, is there any way to replace the pistons without removing the engine? I've seen other videos on 1AZ engines where guys could get to the connecting rod nuts from underneath the car. I am assuming the answer is no on the 2AZ but figured I'd ask anyway.

  • @memosal611
    @memosal611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anyone know how much Toyota would charge to do a job like this?
    My vehicle got this problem and I don't want to get rid of it :-/

  • @CrazyPetez
    @CrazyPetez 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish you would wear nitrile or other gloves. All those petroleum on your hands aren’t good for a long cancer free life. Not a doctor, but I’ve lost many friends to cancer.

  • @petelyczek5728
    @petelyczek5728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My first car was a 1974 Honda Accord hatchback. By the time I was done with it, it took 1qrt of oil every time I took on fuel. I carried a case of the cheapest 10W30 sold on the shelf. I still miss that car. It had some options that I like very much. It also handled very well. 30+ mpg was great too.

    • @503challenger
      @503challenger 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The first year for the Honda Accord in the United States anyway was 1976. It was offered as a Hatchback for I think several years and then eventually it became a 4-door. At least that's what Wikipedia says. But you're right I do remember the 1976 model being an excellent car and it was very sought-after years later

  • @ModernDIYProjects
    @ModernDIYProjects 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an 08 Rav4 same as yours and I took care of the oil consumption
    issue by running Marvel Mystery oil through it for a few hundred miles.
    Cleaned up the sticking rings and stopped eating oil. Still have it and
    still runs great! In fact I did a video about this on my channel also
    showing how anyone can deal with this without having to spend major
    money and do a complete tear down

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That might work for minor oil consumption issues. This engine was well past that point.

    • @markozecevic4335
      @markozecevic4335 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      when you see this problem.. on 50k miles ? 100,000 miles ?

    • @egespombuligwe2900
      @egespombuligwe2900 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can I see the method you you gone through to handle the problem becauseI have Toyota car with problem of oil burning

  • @kman-mi7su
    @kman-mi7su 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mine is doing the same thing. It's a 2004 with 255k on it. I'm looking for a low mile used motor. I don't want junk the car, it is in very good shape and like yours, it is a very reliable car with no drama. Unlike yours, mine has no HVAC issues, Diff leaks, and last year in my driveway I replaced the struts, sway bar links, and I now need a resonator and a cat convertor.

    • @dashcamjourney4599
      @dashcamjourney4599 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did your catalytic converters ever go bad? Wes mentioned his catalytic converters were toasted in the video.

  • @jonathanyunger2073
    @jonathanyunger2073 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad you had the lighting upgraded in the shop since back then :-)

  • @raoulcruz4404
    @raoulcruz4404 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honda says 1 quart oil per 1000 miles is normal. Sleazy.

  • @chuckschillingvideos
    @chuckschillingvideos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So.....the plan is to basically put a grand into what is essentially a parts car. And that doesn't include the labor.

  • @jeffburdess2237
    @jeffburdess2237 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No noticeable smoke coming from the tailpipe over the time you noticed the oil level was shrinking?

    • @jwades77
      @jwades77 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      youd think there'd be a ton of tailpipe blue smoke when it gets hot.

  • @518ADK
    @518ADK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Found myself here through the TH-cam wormhole of recommended vids. I’ve been binge watching during my vacation. Mustie1 will be jealous I’ve spent so much time here on this channel lol. I’m a gear head but not at your level. I’ve learned quite a bit already and hope to learn more. Be safe during the pandemic.

  • @dilly44
    @dilly44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me watching this video: this should be fairly easy it seems me half way through the video: ok maybe I should get someone with experience to help me me after the video: I don’t have half the tools or a quarter of the experience let’s just sell the car

  • @morgansword
    @morgansword 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wes, I love it, a standard end wrench, you tighten the bolt to a comfortable tightness then say "Click" and half america thinks that it is a toque wrench which I have done too but I forget the part "click" so I will add that to my conversation/LOL, good job so far but if I could, I would order a "ARP" stud and put a nut on top of it since it is not a special stretch to fit tighten bolt for about twenty dollars as they know what they have and its quick and easy. They have every thread and length bolt you can want. Years ago there was a nuts and fasteners place that when the owner died, they wholesaled everything by the pound out the door and I bought about three thousand pounds of bolts still in boxes for five hundred dollars or what the scrapper offered. I had every bolt for years, it was just finding a place for them to stay

  • @markozecevic4335
    @markozecevic4335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello.. nice video.. i live in Europe and i bought Toyota rav 4 2008 year 2.4 vvti. My question is when can I expect this malfunction or malfunction of the water pump or steering head, since it has only gone 25,000 miles .. and thanks for your reply..

    • @WatchWesWork
      @WatchWesWork  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Both should last the life of the vehicle.

    • @markozecevic4335
      @markozecevic4335 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      but when can i expect for example a malfunction you had? how many miles? Thank you..

    • @dashcamjourney4599
      @dashcamjourney4599 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@markozecevic4335 Start using Full Synthetic or 100% Synthetic Oils to slow down the oil burning.

  • @heartwarrior9762
    @heartwarrior9762 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Use gloves 🧤 my friend, protect your skin 🤘🏼