You guys need to make a short where Dean is on his way to see the Flash and is stopped by his future self who tried to warn him about it, then the universe starts to collapse, and then you see a bunch of young bad CG versions of the Corridor crew.
dean trying to explain flashpoint the comic to his friends who are all losing there shit and not really listening but he's just keep going is whole mood... been there buddy... i feel the pain
Jake getting triggered over “woman joker” LOL Dean clearly explains “Bruce dies so his parents become the hero/villain instead,” but Jake just heard WOMAN???? WOMAN JOKER???? 😂
I hate how Barry supposedly goes back in time to save his mother but doesn't care enough about her to find out who killed her. She becomes such an afterthought very early in the movie that the emotional heart of it vanishes.
Then on top of that he also never learned his lesson the big thing was he was supposed to accept he can't save his Mom or mettle with time but he still does it and saves his Dad from prison
So Jay Garrick was actually in the most recent Flash show and the only reason we know they used a crew member for the face was because the actor who played Jay Garrick saw the movie and was like "Was that me I don't remember being in this movie" because it did look like him. Also Nicolas Cage Superman was fighting a spider because the director who I guess took over after Tim Burton was obsessed with the final act being fighting a giant spider. He did Wild Wild West soon after. Kevin Smith goes into get detail about it.
I relate so hard with Dean here, both in terms of disliking The Flash movie and in terms of trying to explain the weirder-but-still-awesome elements of comics and having those concepts mocked. I know they’re just joking and don’t have any actual ill will, both on the podcast and in life, but at a point it does get a little annoying, because we comic fans really do love these characters and concepts no matter how weird they get.
The Flash was my first film in the industry. And I am a big DC fan, so I was in geeky heaven! Got to walk around the Batcave and other sets. The code name for the production was Baby Shower because of the hospital scene. They even built the lower part of the Hospital on the back lot at Leavesden where the Ambulance collapses into the ground. As a film it's not perfect but I thought it was better than I expected, even if I'm biased as I worked on it and my name is in the credits!
The Nick Cage thing is actually worse than Dean describes it. Sure, the idea of Cage as Superman is mostly just a meme at this point, but how many people know that the giant spider is part of the meme? The whole thing stems from a story told a thousand times by Kevin Smith, who wrote the initial screenplay for the film. Smith met with the producer of the film, Jon Peters, who insisted that Superman had to fight a giant spider in the third act. Smith writes the scene, but obviously, the movie never happens. Fast forward to the next year, Wild Wild West comes out, and it has a giant mechanical spider in the third act. And take a wild wild guess who produced the movie...Jon fuckin Peters. The entire scene isn't just a callback to an obscure meme, it's a callback to an obscure, mostly-unknown story Kevin Smith tells people at conventions.
I truly dig how uncomfortable Dean seems as he is trying to explain such an important subject to him as a fan and the rest of the crew just trying to be involved in the conversation by ignorantly trolling the subject with random unfunny comments, this feels like every fan of anything trying to pass through his passion to other people that in reality they just don't care 😓
The thing about the Flash movie is as terrible as it was, the Supergirl actress did a great job. I hate that this was this version of Supergirl’s debut. Her and Keaton were the only good parts of the movie.
The Flash was horrendous. I agree with Dean. It’s already out on streaming which tells you it didn’t do well ( nor was expected to) in theatres. Oh, and a baby in a microwave? Really.
When Dean started talking about flashpoint it was just annoying that everyone didn't want to listen and saying "it's his truth" rather than just listening to the explanation
I wonder if Dean has seen it. I thought it was actually a great animated movie (but to be fair, I don't have much original comic book knowledge to compare it to).
good day to have an episode come out. I'm stuck at home with a concussion after wiping out on my onewheel...I know ironic right? I've joined the gang with wren and Carmichael
There are movies that are liked or loved by nearly everyone, many more that are universally disliked, but the average public opinion for the vast majority of movies is somewhere in between, skewing towards the middle. Art is subjective so opinions will always be both positive and negative. The reason that good movies are rarer is because people appreciate originality. When Jon Favreau made the first Iron Man and the concept of all these movies (The MCU) being connected and ultimately coming together was introduced, it was a unique and exciting idea that had never been explored before. It didn't matter that there were a few movies, out of 23 that didn't do well because most did. What mattered was that the ratio of good to bad, compared to movies in general was remarkable. More importantly, in my opinion at least, was that the overall story arc had a satisfying beginning, middle and end, which it did. It was great, but it took place over more than 10 years so it's no longer original. In fact it's almost become like a homework assignment, keeping up with all the content so that everything makes sense. It's exhausting! It had an unbelievable run through, but not even taking into account the over-saturation of disappointing content, I believe that most people, including myself would agree that there is without a doubt, superhero fatigue.
Always love it when the Crew has a podcast where they just rip into something bad they've seen recently/this year. Its always amusing seeing their logical breakdown of it and gives me a good laugh.
To the credit of the Flashpoint comic Barry going back in time to save his mother alters everything that happens after it in that timeline. Instead of his parents dying Bruce Wayne dies which motivates his father to become Batman early on and his mom has a psychotic break after losing her child. The universe created by these ripples are the effect of this. The Flash film doesn’t even try to lineup it’s convolution in a plausible more coherent way. Barry going back in time and saving his mom in the early 2000s somehow makes a another worlds Batman from 1992 and a gender swapped Kal-El stand in exist in Barry’s timeline!? It’s the laziest most nonsensical way of shoehorning in what they thought would be a popular cameo. It’s so pathetic and as a huge DC fan it’s beyond anger inducing.
I thought Bruce's parents were killed before Barry's mom in the comics so Flashpoint did change things from the past too. And Supergirl isn't gender swapped Kal because he exists but was intercepted by Zod before reaching earth
Just wanted to say, besides of course another incredibly entertaining episode from yall but Dean mentioning All Star Superman and Flashpoint was like a punch to the gut, its so true and sad
I was vibing with everything in the podcast until you said how much you like the new suicide squad. 😂 lol. The flash was a terrible. Its like the world of VFX has opened the door to doing so much stuff that they can’t lean into its strengths.
fr, I really don't get the overwhelming positive response that movie get, even the Guardians series to an extent. They have memorable scenes and characters, but overall, the story, at least how it present itself feels so undercooked that I might as well just skip to the fun part
The baby shower was the best part of the movie, speaking as someone who read a lot of silver age comics as a kid because the only place that sold comics was a used book store. It was ridiculous. I like ridiculous. Was the CGI perfectly realistic? No. Do I care? Not enough to not suspend my disbelief. But I'd rather see the Flash save a bunch of babies than see Superman destroy a city. The story as a whole was ultimately about moving on and accepting loss, so it was nice to have a sequence of actual heroism at the start. The movie as a whole...good not great. The third act was the worst part.
while i agree that superheroes are good animated, i dont agree they shouldnt belive action. i would rather DC actually used the same teams that write the stories for the animated movies to write the live action ovies. the DC animated movies are amazing. and actually are more geared towards a maturer audience. the Dark Justicce league films have been great, the batman films have been great, the justice league films have been great. even the batman harley quinn movie where she sleeps with robin.....was great. and its all because they arent trying to cater to the kids as much. Marvel already have that market filled. DC should lean into the Dark Comics moniker they got at the start of all this with the first batman films in the universe, because all those kids watching marvel films, are gonna grow up and want something more mature one day. and DC could be that. DC was that for me in comics as a kid. Batman comics and Judge Dredd comics, especially in the late 90's early 00's were some dark af media and it was great. so they need to stop being about the bottom line, and seeing movies as a way to make money, and make movies for the reason they were intented, to tell stories. good stories. but make their superhero cinematic universe for adults. Joker is a prime example. that movie is amazing and i cant wait to see the sequel, and i wouldnt actually mind if that movie was set in the robert pattinson's batman universe, those two films are perfect DC movies tone wise. thats not to say you cant have brevity, like i said, the cartoons can be dark as heck,like under the red hood where a guys head explodes and red hood delivers a duffel bag of severed heads to a crime gang,but it had funny moments in it too. real humour, not just slapstick goofy sh*t. DC. stick to being Dark Comics man. its what you do best. forget about trying to be Marvel. we dont need another Marvel.
The Flash CW show had a Jay Garrick played by John Wesley Shipp. He also played Barry Allen in the CBS's "The Flash" in the 90s. He was a more recognizable Jay than just some dude, fans of the Flash CW show would recognize him at least.
CW Flash had some high highs when they did their multiverse with Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl and Black Lightning. Because like Dean and Jordan said with the Thanos and Endgame comparison. It. Was. Earned.
Yeah, it is absurd that they brought in 4 supermen/women and only one Flash and that Flash was the only character who wasn't based on someone who actually played them. How you don't bring in JWS to pay homage to the first TV Flash series and Jay Garrick (and Barry's dad) in the new Flash I have no idea.
Props to DC grave robbing the image of a Superman actor that killed himself because type casting ruined his professional career, in a film that released almost to the day of his tragic death! Great work WB!😜👍🏾🤦🏾♂️
so weird, I've been watching you guys for the past 4 years. I rewatch a ton of your videos and today I happened to watch the Flash episode of VFXAR and then this video came on right after and I realized... i'm wearing a Flash shirt... that is all...
I relate to Dean so much in this episode I'm also 26 and also grew up on DC and everything he said about this is 💯 facts Maybe it's a bad idea to still have hope and excitement for the future of DC but James Gunn has yet to make a movie I didn't enjoy and from what he's already said and announced there's certainly potential
I relate to Dean's feeling with Superhero content in reference to the comics. Comics are so superior in planning stories that intersect with other series to tell a long narrative to just watch movies that burn to think about, I get it.
Never ever felt the passage of time on corridor more strongly than nick sounding mad ignorant while deans talkin about Flashpoint and the joker. I feel you Dean
Tell Dean we need to be best friends. I felt like I was listening to myself. I bet he feels the same way about Black Adam. You guys need to have me as a guest, me and Dean could tear DC apart. And DC is also my favorite comic verse.
The pinball movie was pretty good, speaking of biopic type stuff. I'm still full-on into superhero stuff though, I'll watch most stuff. Even Secret Invasion was perfectly ok, though, annoying if it goes where some people are saying, that it's being used for replacing/rebooting characters...
The joker from The Joker movie wasn't batman's Joker. That was the guy that inspired Batman's joker to exist by being the calamity he was in his time. Killing the comedy host on live television was seen by batman's joker as a totally otherwise unrelated kid.
I mean when the highlight of a *Flash movie* is _Batman,_ you know you've messed up somewhere. And Jake is right to point out how dumb the ENTIRE "Flashpoint" concept is, with the notion of "Time Boom" to explain why events changed before the point where Flash arrived in the past. Like, Thomas Wayne becoming Batman (and Martha Wayne becoming Joker) is both cool and stupid. The obvious elephant in the room is what would lead them to take on these roles that never were theirs to begin with? The only proper answer is to do what 'Across the Spiderverse' recently did with Canon-events, like _"the has to be a Batman/Batwoman/Batgirl, a Joker, a Superman/Superwoman/Supergirl"._ Otherwise you go into a rabbit-hole where even Back to the Future makes no sense, logically (because by any accounts, with all the things he did in the past, there is no way Marty McFly is the same person). What surprised me the most in the story of the movie, is how Flash never stopped once to ask himself "what if I use my powers to find out WHO actually killed my mom, instead of trying to change the timeline?" Like, every fan of the Flash knows that Barry's mom was murdered by Reverse-Flash going back through time. But the movie makes a special case to never explain it, never show it, as if they're keeping that hot reveal for a sequel (which is an hilarious thought on its own). So Barry goes on a crazy plan about putting a can of peeled tomatoes in his mom's basket in the supermarket to save her life, which is the least epic way for him to save her life... but I also don't really see how THAT would make Reverse-Flash think "oh no, his dad is here, my entire plan falls apart!"
This is really funny and I totally agree with everything except the Nicholas Cage moment, best moment of the film imo. Its goofy yea, but its like a funny regard to the fact that he almost got the role as superman which is funny in and of itself. To me it felt more like a funny meme recognition than a "how to get the most articles written because famous actor"
O.K. stay with me for a moment.... Ezra Miller completed the filming of the movie, and due to the pandemic and such after filming, Ezra then gets drunk and does some bad PR. Hollywood does not like black eyes so they quietly black listed Ezra with this movie. Very purposely bad CGI and simple plot. Then at the end George Clooney shows up as Bruce "Batman" Wayne. If I recall George was ashamed of that movie and said he would never put the Bat-suit on again. So Hollywood sent Ezra to the George Clooney Batman universe were he will die away and be ridiculed for life. God I love Hollywood!!!
You can (and should) criticize The Flash for a lot of things ... but I don't think most of you understand comic books or even comic movies. Let alone different versions of time travel.
17:43 Honestly I dont think thats the case (might be a bit o wishful thinking on his part, or I simply lost hope with this old DCU)... Dont get me wrong Zack snyder would make a great elseworlds DC universe.. but i dont think we wouod ever get to that classic justice league vibe or lineup. The stepping stone he set the characters deviated a LOT from what the general audience and most fans think about these characters. Like batman markin criminals, using guns, superman killing in his first movie. I honestly agree with the reel reject channel on this. Zack is amazing, and I love his work, but it would be pretty hard to be succesfull as he treated justice league in the same way he treated Watchman (which I love btw)... Affleck has no fault, thats for sure, but his Batman is ZERO detective and problaby one of the most forgetable versions of the character. Maybe if he had his own movie it would been different, but thats not the case. The Flash is simply closing a already dead universe, and its a fun movie that deviates a lot from the more serious tone of the other DC movies, but it missed the mark, cause people that didnt like this universe were not inclined to go see it, and people who liked didnt get what they expected, also having Ezra as main cast after everything that happened guaranteed a financial flop. But the story is there (althought the studio demanded than to NOT use reverse flash), story wise is better than most super hero movies, but VFX is no bueno, and tone doesnt really hits with neither of the great comic book audiences. At least thats how I see it... Excited for the new DCU, I expecting great things from Gunn and the boys
Not that they’re earning the highest RBI on the content to audience/critical praise, but Marvel/Fox has done the “slow motion” work better with Quick Silver in 2011, than the computer FX that are present in The Flash. I want to echo Wren’s sentiment, that this is, in no way a slight to the hundreds of workers on the production side of the finished result, but rather the studios like DC, Disney, Marvel alike, and Lucasfilm, who have become content with stuffing the money from their consumers wallets into their own pockets and wipe their hands without giving a crap about whether or not the audiences even like it. For something that has been coming down the pipe as long as it has, this was the equivalent of a kid waiting until the night before to write his book report. No care, just get it done on time. Moving forward, and hopefully ending my rant on a more positive note, I think rebooting is just another frustration that needs to be avoided. But the most effective difference Marvel did was introduce the characters before they teamed up, so the audience is at least able to relate to each character. The DC should think about doing that moving forward. The reality is that it may happen but with obscure characters no one knows thanks to James Gunn. Regardless, that might make the consumption a bit more palatable when you can decide what you’re going to eat instead of it being blended and funneled down our gullets.
I feel for Dean man. I love DC and I absolutely love Zack Snyders version of DC and WB really just murdered DC and DC fans. The film sucked and they have no idea what they’re doing anymore
Greenlighting the project where Dean is stopped by his future self seeing the flash It would be filled with flashbacks and horrible cameos of nicolas cage in a superman suit, and appearance from supergirl from 1977, not to mention the appearance from "that guy". All these images and this knowledge given from future Dean to present Dean. And instead he decides to go watch barbie, and the end is the podcast being an entire review of barbie.
the whole no guns /corporate decisions made me think of DC not allowing their action figures to have guns. So all these characters who are built around the prowess with guns get knives, sticks or swords. So Mcfarlane's way around it is to release non specific weapons packs on his site. Like they didn't have them before and likely 80% of the buyers are grown men.
The Flash was in development since at least 2004. Warner Brothers wanted to make a Flash movie since the 80's, but they started in earnest by hiring David S. Goyer to write and direct one in 2004.
overall, I actualy liked the movie... Not the best movie ever, but its good... I feel like hype and how rushed the VFX where doomed the public opinion on the movie (also lets not ignore the elephant in the room thats Ezra millers behavior)
In defense of the whole Nick Cage cameo choice, I remember when Marvel fans were going absolutely nuts over the mere rumor that Tom Cruise would be making a cameo as Iron Man, because apparently he turned down the original role way back when or something like that. Like Nick said, companies have learned that its those "what if this actor actually got the chance to play them" cameos that drives engagement up a wall.
my dad was so invested in this film, he tried so hard to get us all to watch it. we ended up all fighting with each other for like half an hour because of that opening scene, it set us all off on the wrong foot and he was still so adament. the rest of my family went to bed. my dad and i ended up finishing the film because I thought that opening scene was so hilariously dogwater that the rest of the movie must be just as goofy. the rest of the movie dragged on. this film was like 3 hours or something. by the end i was mentally wrecked, physically in pain. we had another fight. it was great. i've never been so insulted by a movie in my life, and it was only personal because my dad loved it so much.
You guys need to make a short where Dean is on his way to see the Flash and is stopped by his future self who tried to warn him about it, then the universe starts to collapse, and then you see a bunch of young bad CG versions of the Corridor crew.
dean trying to explain flashpoint the comic to his friends who are all losing there shit and not really listening but he's just keep going is whole mood... been there buddy... i feel the pain
26:43 as a huge huge flash point paradox fan this part was painful to listen but also the normal reaction i get when i tell people the plot
This is an important topic for Dean and I am all for it
Dean being in this kind of pain is just as funny as Jordan's and Matt's pain from the Steve Segal podcast.
i can feel the pain of dean when they talk over him lmao
Jake getting triggered over “woman joker” LOL Dean clearly explains “Bruce dies so his parents become the hero/villain instead,” but Jake just heard WOMAN???? WOMAN JOKER???? 😂
"Don't tread on my Batman, this is my truth" - Jake Watson.
💀💀
I love how more chill and comfortable Dean looks in the Coridor team, compared to when he joined. Hes really found his space there.
I fully disagree but to each their own I guess
100% dud3 is just on a roll now
@@accountnew7030just out of curiosity, do you mean to imply that you see him even more erratic and anxious or?
@@CoreyHart13 I've never watched this channel before
Huh? Lol so how do you disagree? Or did you mean to disagree with the video and not the comment?
I hate how Barry supposedly goes back in time to save his mother but doesn't care enough about her to find out who killed her. She becomes such an afterthought very early in the movie that the emotional heart of it vanishes.
Then on top of that he also never learned his lesson the big thing was he was supposed to accept he can't save his Mom or mettle with time but he still does it and saves his Dad from prison
@@Werewolf914And because of that he’s stuck with Clooney Batman
Yeah that annoyed the FooK out of me. It all boiled down to a can of tomatoes F.F.S!
Ezra shouldn't have continued to be the flash idk how DC still can't get a good movie going with this much failure and experience.
I have watched this podcast twice. The second hand trauma is actually more enjoyable than the actual movie. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So Jay Garrick was actually in the most recent Flash show and the only reason we know they used a crew member for the face was because the actor who played Jay Garrick saw the movie and was like "Was that me I don't remember being in this movie" because it did look like him.
Also Nicolas Cage Superman was fighting a spider because the director who I guess took over after Tim Burton was obsessed with the final act being fighting a giant spider. He did Wild Wild West soon after. Kevin Smith goes into get detail about it.
It wasn't the Director. It was the producer that wanted the spider. That is a Kevin Smith story.
I relate so hard with Dean here, both in terms of disliking The Flash movie and in terms of trying to explain the weirder-but-still-awesome elements of comics and having those concepts mocked. I know they’re just joking and don’t have any actual ill will, both on the podcast and in life, but at a point it does get a little annoying, because we comic fans really do love these characters and concepts no matter how weird they get.
The Flash was my first film in the industry. And I am a big DC fan, so I was in geeky heaven! Got to walk around the Batcave and other sets. The code name for the production was Baby Shower because of the hospital scene. They even built the lower part of the Hospital on the back lot at Leavesden where the Ambulance collapses into the ground. As a film it's not perfect but I thought it was better than I expected, even if I'm biased as I worked on it and my name is in the credits!
The irony is that there's a perfectly good (really good in fact) animated version of Flashpoint to reference. Looking forward to 'Some Guy: The Movie'
great video. I'm happy for Dean to get it all off his chest. Corridor looks like a great work environment.
The Nick Cage thing is actually worse than Dean describes it. Sure, the idea of Cage as Superman is mostly just a meme at this point, but how many people know that the giant spider is part of the meme? The whole thing stems from a story told a thousand times by Kevin Smith, who wrote the initial screenplay for the film. Smith met with the producer of the film, Jon Peters, who insisted that Superman had to fight a giant spider in the third act. Smith writes the scene, but obviously, the movie never happens. Fast forward to the next year, Wild Wild West comes out, and it has a giant mechanical spider in the third act. And take a wild wild guess who produced the movie...Jon fuckin Peters.
The entire scene isn't just a callback to an obscure meme, it's a callback to an obscure, mostly-unknown story Kevin Smith tells people at conventions.
I truly dig how uncomfortable Dean seems as he is trying to explain such an important subject to him as a fan and the rest of the crew just trying to be involved in the conversation by ignorantly trolling the subject with random unfunny comments, this feels like every fan of anything trying to pass through his passion to other people that in reality they just don't care 😓
The thing about the Flash movie is as terrible as it was, the Supergirl actress did a great job. I hate that this was this version of Supergirl’s debut. Her and Keaton were the only good parts of the movie.
The Flash was horrendous. I agree with Dean. It’s already out on streaming which tells you it didn’t do well ( nor was expected to) in theatres. Oh, and a baby in a microwave? Really.
When Dean started talking about flashpoint it was just annoying that everyone didn't want to listen and saying "it's his truth" rather than just listening to the explanation
WB animation does have a Flashpoint Paradox film and other films. They even had a universe series of animated films spanning a bunch of heroes.
I wonder if Dean has seen it. I thought it was actually a great animated movie (but to be fair, I don't have much original comic book knowledge to compare it to).
good day to have an episode come out. I'm stuck at home with a concussion after wiping out on my onewheel...I know ironic right? I've joined the gang with wren and Carmichael
This should’ve just been Dean and Jordan talking. Jake and nick are just interrupting
Agreed. As someone who just wanted to hear what Dean had to say, it just got annoying
There is no fatique for Superhero movies.
Even during prime MCU time, no one was praising Thor 2.
We are just getting fatiqued of bad movies.
There are movies that are liked or loved by nearly everyone, many more that are universally disliked, but the average public opinion for the vast majority of movies is somewhere in between, skewing towards the middle. Art is subjective so opinions will always be both positive and negative. The reason that good movies are rarer is because people appreciate originality. When Jon Favreau made the first Iron Man and the concept of all these movies (The MCU) being connected and ultimately coming together was introduced, it was a unique and exciting idea that had never been explored before. It didn't matter that there were a few movies, out of 23 that didn't do well because most did. What mattered was that the ratio of good to bad, compared to movies in general was remarkable. More importantly, in my opinion at least, was that the overall story arc had a satisfying beginning, middle and end, which it did. It was great, but it took place over more than 10 years so it's no longer original. In fact it's almost become like a homework assignment, keeping up with all the content so that everything makes sense. It's exhausting! It had an unbelievable run through, but not even taking into account the over-saturation of disappointing content, I believe that most people, including myself would agree that there is without a doubt, superhero fatigue.
Always love it when the Crew has a podcast where they just rip into something bad they've seen recently/this year. Its always amusing seeing their logical breakdown of it and gives me a good laugh.
To the credit of the Flashpoint comic Barry going back in time to save his mother alters everything that happens after it in that timeline. Instead of his parents dying Bruce Wayne dies which motivates his father to become Batman early on and his mom has a psychotic break after losing her child. The universe created by these ripples are the effect of this. The Flash film doesn’t even try to lineup it’s convolution in a plausible more coherent way. Barry going back in time and saving his mom in the early 2000s somehow makes a another worlds Batman from 1992 and a gender swapped Kal-El stand in exist in Barry’s timeline!? It’s the laziest most nonsensical way of shoehorning in what they thought would be a popular cameo. It’s so pathetic and as a huge DC fan it’s beyond anger inducing.
I thought Bruce's parents were killed before Barry's mom in the comics so Flashpoint did change things from the past too. And Supergirl isn't gender swapped Kal because he exists but was intercepted by Zod before reaching earth
'some guy' is the new credits scroll. We used AI to make the characters, used the sound guy for the model, made the whole movie without actors.
"Ziplock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" LMAO
I feel for Dean when he's talking about the comic XD
i was excited to wath that movie but then that guy started going crazy and i refuse to watch anything with him until he goes away
I remembered seeing all these shorts on youtube saying how the flash was great.. man, how i knew they were lying 😂
Just wanted to say, besides of course another incredibly entertaining episode from yall but Dean mentioning All Star Superman and Flashpoint was like a punch to the gut, its so true and sad
I was vibing with everything in the podcast until you said how much you like the new suicide squad. 😂 lol. The flash was a terrible. Its like the world of VFX has opened the door to doing so much stuff that they can’t lean into its strengths.
fr, I really don't get the overwhelming positive response that movie get, even the Guardians series to an extent. They have memorable scenes and characters, but overall, the story, at least how it present itself feels so undercooked that I might as well just skip to the fun part
Blessings on you Dean!
I love this streak that's beginning. That the next best animated film is a Spider-Man one. Keep em coming
The baby shower was the best part of the movie, speaking as someone who read a lot of silver age comics as a kid because the only place that sold comics was a used book store. It was ridiculous. I like ridiculous. Was the CGI perfectly realistic? No. Do I care? Not enough to not suspend my disbelief. But I'd rather see the Flash save a bunch of babies than see Superman destroy a city. The story as a whole was ultimately about moving on and accepting loss, so it was nice to have a sequence of actual heroism at the start.
The movie as a whole...good not great. The third act was the worst part.
Why did WB even try the Flashpoint Paradox now when NOBODY was even attached to the DCEU version of the flash or his mom?
while i agree that superheroes are good animated, i dont agree they shouldnt belive action. i would rather DC actually used the same teams that write the stories for the animated movies to write the live action ovies. the DC animated movies are amazing. and actually are more geared towards a maturer audience. the Dark Justicce league films have been great, the batman films have been great, the justice league films have been great. even the batman harley quinn movie where she sleeps with robin.....was great. and its all because they arent trying to cater to the kids as much. Marvel already have that market filled. DC should lean into the Dark Comics moniker they got at the start of all this with the first batman films in the universe, because all those kids watching marvel films, are gonna grow up and want something more mature one day. and DC could be that. DC was that for me in comics as a kid. Batman comics and Judge Dredd comics, especially in the late 90's early 00's were some dark af media and it was great.
so they need to stop being about the bottom line, and seeing movies as a way to make money, and make movies for the reason they were intented, to tell stories. good stories. but make their superhero cinematic universe for adults. Joker is a prime example. that movie is amazing and i cant wait to see the sequel, and i wouldnt actually mind if that movie was set in the robert pattinson's batman universe, those two films are perfect DC movies tone wise. thats not to say you cant have brevity, like i said, the cartoons can be dark as heck,like under the red hood where a guys head explodes and red hood delivers a duffel bag of severed heads to a crime gang,but it had funny moments in it too. real humour, not just slapstick goofy sh*t.
DC. stick to being Dark Comics man. its what you do best. forget about trying to be Marvel. we dont need another Marvel.
The animated Flashpoint Paradox movie is so much better, it really feels like Flash/Flashpoint was wasted on this movie. And no Reverse Flash.... smh
one of my favorite podcast episode. they lynched the new flash movie like no tomorrow. well deserved
The Flash CW show had a Jay Garrick played by John Wesley Shipp. He also played Barry Allen in the CBS's "The Flash" in the 90s. He was a more recognizable Jay than just some dude, fans of the Flash CW show would recognize him at least.
CW Flash had some high highs when they did their multiverse with Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl and Black Lightning. Because like Dean and Jordan said with the Thanos and Endgame comparison.
It.
Was.
Earned.
Yeah, it is absurd that they brought in 4 supermen/women and only one Flash and that Flash was the only character who wasn't based on someone who actually played them. How you don't bring in JWS to pay homage to the first TV Flash series and Jay Garrick (and Barry's dad) in the new Flash I have no idea.
Props to DC grave robbing the image of a Superman actor that killed himself because type casting ruined his professional career, in a film that released almost to the day of his tragic death! Great work WB!😜👍🏾🤦🏾♂️
Probly my favorite episode of the podcast so far, bless you dean
The Frito-Lay cinematic universe!!!! 😂😂😂
jake not understanding flashpoint hurts
so weird, I've been watching you guys for the past 4 years. I rewatch a ton of your videos and today I happened to watch the Flash episode of VFXAR and then this video came on right after and I realized... i'm wearing a Flash shirt... that is all...
BLESS DEAN
I relate to Dean so much in this episode I'm also 26 and also grew up on DC and everything he said about this is 💯 facts Maybe it's a bad idea to still have hope and excitement for the future of DC but James Gunn has yet to make a movie I didn't enjoy and from what he's already said and announced there's certainly potential
I relate to Dean's feeling with Superhero content in reference to the comics. Comics are so superior in planning stories that intersect with other series to tell a long narrative to just watch movies that burn to think about, I get it.
As a DC fan, I feel Dean's pain.
Same why can't we have nice things?
bless you dean, hoping for better DC movies. Orrrr at least animated movies cause those are great from DC.
Never ever felt the passage of time on corridor more strongly than nick sounding mad ignorant while deans talkin about Flashpoint and the joker. I feel you Dean
This flash movie felt like I was watching one of those classic crappy cgi movies from a ClearTV antenna 😂
Bless you!
Forget about the movies for now Dean, DC is still great in the comics
Tell Dean we need to be best friends. I felt like I was listening to myself. I bet he feels the same way about Black Adam. You guys need to have me as a guest, me and Dean could tear DC apart. And DC is also my favorite comic verse.
The lesson here is don't have Effects guys that have no background in comics review a comic book movie. The cluelessness was painful.
Their Jay Garrick in the movie was actually played by Teddy Sears, who wore that suit in the Flash CW series :)
The pinball movie was pretty good, speaking of biopic type stuff. I'm still full-on into superhero stuff though, I'll watch most stuff. Even Secret Invasion was perfectly ok, though, annoying if it goes where some people are saying, that it's being used for replacing/rebooting characters...
37:21 I liked that show for two seasons *laughs in sad flash fan 😂
The Hot Wheels movie is just a reimagining of Fast and the Furious but with outrageous loops and turns and such.
No joke, I keep coming back to this video and watching from 38:37
"Get ready, here he comes" - It's still making me laugh.
Well said. Love this 👏👏❤
I had refused to watch this movie, and after this podcast I'm glad with the decisions on my life, thank you Dean.
Bless you Dean!
The joker from The Joker movie wasn't batman's Joker. That was the guy that inspired Batman's joker to exist by being the calamity he was in his time. Killing the comedy host on live television was seen by batman's joker as a totally otherwise unrelated kid.
17:12 shocked me Jordan
Jake not knowing Keatons Batman was a thing again is wild hahahaha dude really does stay innthe producer booth with blinders 😅
I needed this episode the flash has been locked in my brain
god batman beyond woulda been sick
The guys should really let Dean finish instead of just interrupting him when he’s about to explain stuff
I wonder if Dean saw the Blue Beetle movie and what he thought of it
I mean when the highlight of a *Flash movie* is _Batman,_ you know you've messed up somewhere.
And Jake is right to point out how dumb the ENTIRE "Flashpoint" concept is, with the notion of "Time Boom" to explain why events changed before the point where Flash arrived in the past. Like, Thomas Wayne becoming Batman (and Martha Wayne becoming Joker) is both cool and stupid. The obvious elephant in the room is what would lead them to take on these roles that never were theirs to begin with? The only proper answer is to do what 'Across the Spiderverse' recently did with Canon-events, like _"the has to be a Batman/Batwoman/Batgirl, a Joker, a Superman/Superwoman/Supergirl"._
Otherwise you go into a rabbit-hole where even Back to the Future makes no sense, logically (because by any accounts, with all the things he did in the past, there is no way Marty McFly is the same person).
What surprised me the most in the story of the movie, is how Flash never stopped once to ask himself "what if I use my powers to find out WHO actually killed my mom, instead of trying to change the timeline?"
Like, every fan of the Flash knows that Barry's mom was murdered by Reverse-Flash going back through time. But the movie makes a special case to never explain it, never show it, as if they're keeping that hot reveal for a sequel (which is an hilarious thought on its own). So Barry goes on a crazy plan about putting a can of peeled tomatoes in his mom's basket in the supermarket to save her life, which is the least epic way for him to save her life... but I also don't really see how THAT would make Reverse-Flash think "oh no, his dad is here, my entire plan falls apart!"
Dean, stay strong!
51:49 it was in the trailer
It's a bird! It's a Plane! It's Someguy!
bless u dean
Even the show had a better cameo where they had the show's Flash meet Ezra Miller's Flash
Wait so...that whole time travel thing is basically the CW Flash, which i guess was based off the Flashpoint comic? Idk.
Bless your soul Dean
This is really funny and I totally agree with everything except the Nicholas Cage moment, best moment of the film imo. Its goofy yea, but its like a funny regard to the fact that he almost got the role as superman which is funny in and of itself.
To me it felt more like a funny meme recognition than a "how to get the most articles written because famous actor"
Jake not understanding comic books is SOMETHING ELSE BRO
You should look into & talk about Studio A24's filmmaking method in contrast to the big budget corporate ones of today.
How did Jake not know about Nicholas Cage Superman?
50:50 You forgot the tooth!
O.K. stay with me for a moment.... Ezra Miller completed the filming of the movie, and due to the pandemic and such after filming, Ezra then gets drunk and does some bad PR. Hollywood does not like black eyes so they quietly black listed Ezra with this movie. Very purposely bad CGI and simple plot. Then at the end George Clooney shows up as Bruce "Batman" Wayne. If I recall George was ashamed of that movie and said he would never put the Bat-suit on again. So Hollywood sent Ezra to the George Clooney Batman universe were he will die away and be ridiculed for life. God I love Hollywood!!!
You can (and should) criticize The Flash for a lot of things ... but I don't think most of you understand comic books or even comic movies. Let alone different versions of time travel.
17:43 Honestly I dont think thats the case (might be a bit o wishful thinking on his part, or I simply lost hope with this old DCU)... Dont get me wrong Zack snyder would make a great elseworlds DC universe.. but i dont think we wouod ever get to that classic justice league vibe or lineup. The stepping stone he set the characters deviated a LOT from what the general audience and most fans think about these characters. Like batman markin criminals, using guns, superman killing in his first movie. I honestly agree with the reel reject channel on this. Zack is amazing, and I love his work, but it would be pretty hard to be succesfull as he treated justice league in the same way he treated Watchman (which I love btw)... Affleck has no fault, thats for sure, but his Batman is ZERO detective and problaby one of the most forgetable versions of the character. Maybe if he had his own movie it would been different, but thats not the case. The Flash is simply closing a already dead universe, and its a fun movie that deviates a lot from the more serious tone of the other DC movies, but it missed the mark, cause people that didnt like this universe were not inclined to go see it, and people who liked didnt get what they expected, also having Ezra as main cast after everything that happened guaranteed a financial flop. But the story is there (althought the studio demanded than to NOT use reverse flash), story wise is better than most super hero movies, but VFX is no bueno, and tone doesnt really hits with neither of the great comic book audiences. At least thats how I see it...
Excited for the new DCU, I expecting great things from Gunn and the boys
I just want a Batman Beyond movie directed by Panos Cosmatos.
Just watch There Will Be Blood and pretend it's a Riddler backstory, because costumed "anything-man" films are terrible.
Not that they’re earning the highest RBI on the content to audience/critical praise, but Marvel/Fox has done the “slow motion” work better with Quick Silver in 2011, than the computer FX that are present in The Flash.
I want to echo Wren’s sentiment, that this is, in no way a slight to the hundreds of workers on the production side of the finished result, but rather the studios like DC, Disney, Marvel alike, and Lucasfilm, who have become content with stuffing the money from their consumers wallets into their own pockets and wipe their hands without giving a crap about whether or not the audiences even like it. For something that has been coming down the pipe as long as it has, this was the equivalent of a kid waiting until the night before to write his book report. No care, just get it done on time.
Moving forward, and hopefully ending my rant on a more positive note, I think rebooting is just another frustration that needs to be avoided. But the most effective difference Marvel did was introduce the characters before they teamed up, so the audience is at least able to relate to each character. The DC should think about doing that moving forward. The reality is that it may happen but with obscure characters no one knows thanks to James Gunn.
Regardless, that might make the consumption a bit more palatable when you can decide what you’re going to eat instead of it being blended and funneled down our gullets.
I feel for Dean man. I love DC and I absolutely love Zack Snyders version of DC and WB really just murdered DC and DC fans. The film sucked and they have no idea what they’re doing anymore
Bless you, son
Greenlighting the project where Dean is stopped by his future self seeing the flash
It would be filled with flashbacks and horrible cameos of nicolas cage in a superman suit, and appearance from supergirl from 1977, not to mention the appearance from "that guy". All these images and this knowledge given from future Dean to present Dean. And instead he decides to go watch barbie, and the end is the podcast being an entire review of barbie.
the whole no guns /corporate decisions made me think of DC not allowing their action figures to have guns. So all these characters who are built around the prowess with guns get knives, sticks or swords. So Mcfarlane's way around it is to release non specific weapons packs on his site. Like they didn't have them before and likely 80% of the buyers are grown men.
The Flash was in development since at least 2004. Warner Brothers wanted to make a Flash movie since the 80's, but they started in earnest by hiring David S. Goyer to write and direct one in 2004.
overall, I actualy liked the movie... Not the best movie ever, but its good... I feel like hype and how rushed the VFX where doomed the public opinion on the movie (also lets not ignore the elephant in the room thats Ezra millers behavior)
In defense of the whole Nick Cage cameo choice, I remember when Marvel fans were going absolutely nuts over the mere rumor that Tom Cruise would be making a cameo as Iron Man, because apparently he turned down the original role way back when or something like that. Like Nick said, companies have learned that its those "what if this actor actually got the chance to play them" cameos that drives engagement up a wall.
my dad was so invested in this film, he tried so hard to get us all to watch it.
we ended up all fighting with each other for like half an hour because of that opening scene, it set us all off on the wrong foot and he was still so adament.
the rest of my family went to bed.
my dad and i ended up finishing the film because I thought that opening scene was so hilariously dogwater that the rest of the movie must be just as goofy.
the rest of the movie dragged on. this film was like 3 hours or something.
by the end i was mentally wrecked, physically in pain.
we had another fight.
it was great.
i've never been so insulted by a movie in my life, and it was only personal because my dad loved it so much.
Dude flash broke WB in other ways