Mako Beta Pipe Gun 120 (Titan Elite)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2020
- This is beta testing of the Mako Tital Elite speargun
This gun should be released soon and is a huge improvement over the older Mako pipe gun.
Uses high handle, small ID bands and a custom full Double Roller Ermessub trigger!
July 3 / 2018 - กีฬา
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So glad to see you back!
Welcome back ! its been a while !
The Legend ist Back!
Ive been waiting 2 years for another video.
Awesome review and good to see the new guns are really high quality! I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the Titan elite rollers? I was looking to get a bluewater roller and looks like this may be a contender with the handle and ceramic bearing roller head. The only thing I would swap out is probably a carbon barrel.
Majdq8 would you consider going on the noobspearo podcast? You would be awesome to listen to on there explaining setting up spearguns, the handle mod, etc. I have contacted Isaac (man behind noobspearo) and he has tried to get in touch with you.
Interested in your thoughts of the Coatsman 90 and 110 style roller guns in comparison to a conventional gun like this one with twin 14mm
Thank you!!
carlos hey see if you can get your hands on makos wooden enclosed track gun for testing
@majdq8 , hey man , can you recommend for me the best setup for riffe euro 120 ( for long shots and large game fish ) , thx.
I just bought this spear in a 120cm. I’m so excited. I’m a beginner but live in the west coast and plan on going on a small charter. Anyone know of good charters in SoCal?
Very nice, comprehensive and informative videos. Thank you!
How come and you have not tried the RoiSub system yet? Christos
I have a question i have a 125 cm gun 7mm shaft 170cm how long should my bamds be if i use dobbel band 14mm
Good to see a video from you again majdq8! I would like to ask you (and the commenters):
I have the MVD predator zeso open 100 speargun (which is more like a 105 speargun due to extra length in the handle) and I was thinking of using a 145cm shaft instead of a 140cm shaft, but I cannot decide if I should use a 6.75mm or 7mm shaft. If you have the time it would be very helpful to hear what you think! (or anyone else who would like to)
[I spearfish in the Mediterranean so the fish I hunt are relatively small, below 5kg, usually around 0.5 - 1 kg]
I would prefer a 7mm shaft as the extra mass allows flatter trajectory at longer distances.
@@majdq8 Thanks for the reply! I'l keep that in mind
Good day, have sometimes had inconsistent shots using shorter spears which just clears the muzzle. Note the final version of the titan elite had a 2 inch extended shark prod. Could it be that the flopper is hitting the edge of this prod and this is affecting the trajectory of the spear as the flopper is not being adequately pushed back? Also can the prod as a whole affect the hydrodyamics of the spear leaving the rails. A friend has the roller version with no prod, and is consistently accurate. May be thinking to remove the prod.
Hey Majdq8 good to see a new pool test! That is one of those HUNT shafts isn't it....? I am looking to get a few of the centered double flopper shafts lately but am wondering if the floppers come tuned from the factory...? It seems to be a pain and almost impossible to tune floppers that are on a recessed shaft.
No this is a Sporasub shaft if I remember correctly.
Hi Madjq8,
Fantastic having you back !
It seems indeed to be a nice speargun!
A question, if you have the chance, please do a test of a Meandros Argo Bluewater 130. What a imprsief speargun, with finest engeniring long band stretch, pin roller mech, high handle, 3 band, for sure the best pipegun at the moment IMHO.(cuttlefish shape).
I think even Pathos en Rob Allen, witch I all have and love, will have a hard time comparing with the Meandros Argo Bluewater.
Please check it and let us know.
Take care bro.
Hi handle and small ID bands and a good trigger are basically the heart of any good speargun. If all the 3 are checked then chances are it shoots good.
@@majdq8 Thanks for your replying Madj
Again thanks for sharing your knowledge to the spearos worldwide :
. 14.5 / 14 small id bands.
. High handle.
. Good trigger mechanism.
. good sahf
. Simplicity is the name of the game for spearguns while hunting.
. For inspiring all of us to do your own test and do some target practice.
You should make your own brand speargun my friend ! For sure a lot of us would buy your setup !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No doubt about it!
When it comes to simplicity of speargun you are the oracle, the Bible of it !!!!!!!!!
I am very curious of your plan of making your 140 gun, with wings, covered with carbon, eremes DR. You mentioned before in other conversations.
Take care my friend and above all good health, family, spearfishing after.
Always a pleasure talking with you.
Kind regards,
Ary dos Santos
Hey majd, welcome back!
Question: have you tried cressi chorokee ocean? if yes, please post the test video.thanks
No I haven't but generally the principles of good gun design are the same no matter who makes the gun.
Majdq8, I greatly enjoy your videos and consistent testing methodology, thank you! Did this Titan have their Modified Open Track installed, and if so did you think it helped improve accuracy over the standard open tracks other manufacturers have?
This was a very early beta version and I made some suggestions that I think were implemented in the release version. The one I tested had an open track and I think they are releasing versions with both. I can assure you that having a closed track will not make the gun shoot more accurate. With ET you need to be careful and not choose a shaft diameter that is close to the track hole as it might cause severe friction as the shaft is exiting ... and thus much less shaft velocity and performance. There are some advantages to ET such as easier loading of gun etc... but I personally prefer open track spearguns.
@@majdq8 that's good to know about ET. Mako has released the Titan with their Modified Open Track that has a W-shaped groove, as opposed to the standard smooth groove (picture on their site). I was wondering if you had an opportunity to test that new track, as it seems really novel and there's not a lot of information out there
Hi mate, really love your vids! Sorry for the off topic question- do you have an input about rigging the shooting line to one of the shark fins vs the back of the spear in terms of drag? Thanks!
The most accurate in testing is hooking the line to the rest tab. Obviously if you shoot in holes you can compromise a little in accuracy and use the tail connection as it is easier to pull shaft out. But the best performance in accuracy and shaft flight is connecting to the rest tab on a shark finned shaft.
@@majdq8 Thanks 😁
If I'm going to buy the Mako Titan Elite, it's just because of you mate! You are a treasure for the spearfishing communities bro, thank you ;) Please I have a couple of questions(many)!! I have watched your test videos on the Pathos sniper several times now and I'm going to change the setup of my sniper 115 to the following: Hunt BlackOut Plus shaft with cone, 155cm 7mm, one flopper and pencil tipped! 14mm Primeline Premium Small I.D. stretch 360%! And also changing for the D'angelo lll to Ermes-Sub sear kit.. Any additional advice? What do you think about the shaft? Does adding one more flopper affects the accuracy? I have searched a'lot about the discontinued Sporasub America One but found only so called, Sporasub/Omer America with HRC-flopper, I know that the flopper of the Omer America is horrible but does this HRC-flopper match the sporasub shafts you recommended?... What I'm just worried about is if I have to modify the enclosed track, I wish you added a video about that :)
With the Sniper ET best is to use a 6.75mm shaft as a 7mm shaft will reduce velocity too much. The Sporasub shaft with the HRC flopper is amazing but the Omer America shaft flopper is pure crap although the shaft itself is good. Also the DR trigger from Ermessub for the D2 handle is very troublesome and I did not have good results with it and gave up on that. The DR trigger made for the D1 Handle is excellent though. For the Sniper I would do the hard work and modify it for a full DR trigger. Removing the ET of the Sniper and putting a full DR trigger on there is a lot of work, but if done properly is well worth it!
@@majdq8 I have already ordered the Ermessub sear kit, will see how it works out with such setup otherwise I will upgrade to DR-trigger. I have also watched your videos about customizing the grip and ordered some extra lightweight epoxy and same friction layer you are using, but I will skip the part about the CF-tape.. When it comes to the ET on the sniper what do you advice? I guess it's just sanding it down 2-3 mm manually and it will be a rail? When Im done with my setup I will post a video about it ;)
@@fadizakzouk2084 Go with a full DR mod like in this video th-cam.com/video/K-sN4pQkWSU/w-d-xo.html The sear kit is still a friction trigger and won't give the same results as a full DR trigger. With ET I think the effort to remove the ET is too much. Just keep your shafts at 6.75mm diameter or less and you won't even feel the ET.
How does this handle compare with the Pathos Dangelo 1?
Great video as always but somber for me, I am asking why oh why did I buy a MVD roller when I could of bought a Mako roller for half the price and got this kind of accuracy. Is that the most accurate supergun you have came across?
Hey m8, you should really try out one of the invert roller jigs out there as you did with the simple rollers and see if there actually is a real difference to the simple loading spearguns
Oh I have tried many many invert roller guns. Many of the invert roller guns out there I have helped in their testing and design. A properly designed invert roller is a very powerful and useful tool ... but it is incredibly difficult to setup correctly so that it shoots straight and with high performance. An invert roller is extremely sensitive to over powering if that happens it gives terrible results.
@@majdq8 neptunus has an invert roller that has a simple setup and has amazing results with 125 length guns
Please can you try the omer invictus carbon 110
Majdq8 what is your band formula? I can never get a straight answer from anyone
Hey @majdq8, have you ever done any testing on the rob allen Tuna?
Yes I have but I have not published video.
@@majdq8 I'm hanging out for that one 😁
Dude your tests are really high level.
If you can help me adjust a set up it would be great, for the sigalsub Nemesis speargun (it is a pipe barrel).
The rubber bands I can get is sigalsub Extreme 14.5 I have no options to get 14 mm rubber bands , shaft 7 millimeters of sigalsub HRC or do you have a recommendation for something else.
The barrel length is 107 or 95, I would happy for a recommendation on spear length and rubber tension 360% or something else.
Or maybe it's better a shaft of a different thickness because of the rubber bands I just do not fish in an environment with large fish.
500 g to 5 kg.
Thank you!
Yes sure ... tone down the loading !!! A 7mm shaft doesn't need much to get it to Terminal Velocity ... so if you go over a certain point you will just destabilize your shaft and get less velocity and much less accuracy. Sig bands are not very elastic so go with around 330% to start and move up slowly while observing how it is changing your shot accuracy and profile. If gun starts shooting low and shaft starts to hit target non parallels, you have to just lengthen your band length a little.
@@majdq8 Thank you !!
Barrel with length of 107 and 7 millimeters shaft a spear length 145 cm or 150 cm will fit or is it better another size?
@@nirlevy1634 You want the shortest possible shaft where the flopper does not sit on the track and is free. Usually with a 107 gun you can get away with a 145cm shaft ... but 145cm shaft is hard to find and not common.
@@majdq8 thx man!
How much does it cost would you let me buy it ?
Do you aim at the orange circle? So it falls 2 cm down. I watched that video with the Ermes mechanism and everything goes into the orange circle
Yes aim point is the orange circle and that target I had is with black square set to 6 meters ... so at 6 meters a 7mm shaft that is shooting optimally should end up in the black square. With heavier shafts like 8.5mm and 3 bands, the shaft drop is much less. Remember this is in a pool shooting parallel to target so shaft drop is exaggerated. When I am in the sea hunting fish the shaft is only about 1/3 of what it is in the pool at same distance. I am not sure why but I think it is that fish are usually shot at lower angle and so less gravity drop.
@@majdq8 Thank you. And thank you for the information you selflessly share
@@majdq8 When salt is dissolved in water, as it is in ocean water, that dissolved salt adds to the mass of the water and makes the water denser than it would be without salt. Therefore due to increase in density of fluid, upward Buoyant force will increase due to which object will float better in salt water.
what brand of rubber was that bro?
Why did you pair 14.5mm bands with a 7mm shaft? How did it fair on the penetration test?
This was early beta testing where I was trying to help improve the gun performance. So emphasis here was on consistent accuracy center of target with flat trajectory. 14.5mm small ID bands with 7mm shaft is a very good setup. I did not do any penetration testing on that setup but my guess is that it would pass the King Mackerel test or 10cm of construction foam at 6m.
@@majdq8 Impressive grouping. Would you place this in the speargun unicorn category along with the Denton?
@@isaacyamada8461 Abellan has high handle so it will also perform very well. I personally prefer a wood gun over a pipe gun as I feel it has better balance. But 90% of my spearfishing is done with pipe guns because where I travel to, that is the only thing available.
Do you know anything about Mako TEAK ENCLOSED TRACK EURO SPEARGUN ?
I don't want to speak for Majd so don't take these as his exact words, but if you have followed his online presence for a few years, one thing that comes up is that while he was once a believe in enclosed tracks, he hasn't been for years. Simply put, they add too much friction, they slow down the shaft and don't offer (m)any advantages other than possibly being easier to load.
@@AntiVaganza It makes sense, I didn't think about it.Thank you very much.
@@edelciofatobene196 Makes sense to me, too. But loads of people still love them. If it works for them, then no harm done:).
Молоток!
Based on your tests, recommendation and positive endorsement just bought the mako titan elite and disassembled the handle and barrel for travel for diving trip abroad. Was quite surprised to see that the ermes trigger is secured in place by only one pin, to the back and not two pins as all other similar applications. Bearing in mind that the ad says that the trigger handle 1000 lbs or more than 3 rubbers, do you consider this one pin set up a safe and acceptable approach. If not, what is your recommendation for use?
Don't worry about the pin as the trigger is actually held by the mech pocket of the handle and pin is only there to keep it in place. The main load is on the shaft sear and that pin is a very robust 5mm pin. The 3 bands can easily be handled by the trigger and probably easily can handle double that load.