Ermessub Dangelo 1 handle mod Test # 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2018
- Ermessub Double Roller trigger Mod on Pathos D'Angelo 1 handle Test #2. This is a redo of Test #1 as there were some issue with the mod and trigger was getting caught on the bottom of trigger guard. Results are even better than the first test!
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Classy testing by the MASTER spearo- tester. Impressive, amazing and OUTSTANDING, well executed and result PHENOMENAL.Thanks.
I think the results speak for themselves. Thank you.
You should produce your own speargun brand. I would buy it! :)
Adrian Stæhli same!
Definitely buy it!!!
Wow, crazy accuracy! Very cool!
good to see you back at it!
Really amazing, the trigger mechanism and the speargun made their job, but you are really a sniper!
Actually it is not as impressive as it looks. Most spearos are actually very good and accurate shooters, but their gun setup and their trigger is what makes them shoot inaccurately. I have a lot of friends that come over and try my guns and they are always amazed at how accurately they can shoot. I really believe that "its the Indian not the Arrow" does not apply with spearguns. How many times have you had a perfect trigger pull on a fish ... yet hit poorly or even missed? I think too many people just blame themselves for a bad shot when it really was not their fault at all.
great to see it all coming together Majd!
the worlds most pimped pipegun ;)
time to throw in a 150x7 Hunt shaft with 3cm lopped off the tail, twin 14.8mm small ID bands. shrink that shaft drop @ 5metres down to ZERO ;)
Actually the shaft drop would probably already be almost zero in hunting situations. Not sure why but in the pool the shaft drop is always more than in the sea. Maybe it has something to do with water salinity or maybe it is just because you are usually shooting at a downward angle towards fish and thus gravity doesn't have much of an effect. When I hunt with this setup I never put any elevation adjustment unless am trying to hit a fish at the end of my double wrap.
thanks Majd! I do my target work and hunting in saltwater so I dont see that discrepancy. Stoked to see the full-size DR mech on railgun! You've motivated me to grab the dremel again and carve out a wood handle for that mech - looking forward to having identical trigger in all my guns 👍
It is a little bit of work, but I have seen some of the stuff you do and this should be a piece of cake for you.
Great perfomace like always .Thx
Isma, please make pool testing with Orcas and Mythicon spearguns for us...
Do you have a website to recommend to order the ermes sub pathos kit?
Hi, I just purchased the Ermes Pathos D'Angelo 2 Trigger Mechanism with Side Line Release and was wondering if there is any modification needed to fit the new trigger mech into the existing D-Angelo 2 handle. thanks!
Hi, I really like your videos, I have Pathos open pro 100, what setup would you recommend for that gun and possible mods ? now it has standard 2*16mm bands 130cm 6.75mm shaft. Thank you ,wish you all the best!
Hello may you help me plesae,i will buy a pathos sniper classic 105 which setup i shuold make for this gun. I want excellent accuarcy for 4 to 5 metres with strenght.
Belle vidéo les tirs sont précis et puissants .
Qu'elle modèle d'arbalète et qu'elle modification avez vous faites dessus?
Hey Maj! Enjoyed every single one of your videos so far!
Looking forward to seeing the tests of the new Ermessub DR mechs for D1 and D2
Any idea when you're expecting to release it?
Thanks! I have both the D1 and the D2 in the new double roller configuration and they are looking good! Will probably test them out in the water this weekend and will try and post video on results.
I’m fairly new to the spear fishing world and I like your reviews, can you explain to me about band lengths? I just bought a pathos carbon laser 110 and 120 with the deangelo 1 handles and I wanted the same setup as you
The Dangelo 1 with plastic trigger is the better handle. But unfortunately it has a plastic trigger. Best bet would be to get a D1 or D2 handle and upgrade the trigger to the new Ermessub Double Roller trigger specifically designed to be installed on those handles. In testing I got similar results to my mod in this video, but of course the advantage is you don't have to spend a lot of time as I did to install a normal DR trigger in this video (lot of work to get that done!). For bands, best is 2 x 14mm small ID bands stretched at 360% for shafts up to 7mm and then for 7.5mm best is stretch around 380%. For larger shafts best is to move to 14.5mm or even 15mm small ID bands stretched at 380% or 360% if you can't load the 380%. Band stretch is calculated by getting the distance between shark fin to muzzle and x 2 and then divide by 3.6 (for 360%). Good luck on your setup!
Now is the time for slow-motion videos, I wonder shaft flight and rubbers' motion.
Good evening,I suggest you try Arcus as well as El Greco spearguns.Have you ever tried Andre and Sea Sniper spearguns?Which is the best speargun and with what setup in now days?Thanks a lot.
All the high handle spearguns should perform well if the trigger holds up. The Sea Sniper depends on mass rather than a high handle to control things. The Andre has several designs but again, I like the high handle as I shoot one handed when I spearfish.
majdq8 first of all this is crazy, I am literally left with the jaw open, amazing results. But I would like to ask you.. I have found a 7mm shaft I was looking for at a good price including shipping, the Salvimar Capture Shaft Double Barb 7 mm, what is your opinion on this? Do you think it will still perform like the Sporasub America One shaft?
I am not sure, I would need to test it.
majdq8 for a rob Allen tuna 110cm gun with 16mm bands should I change them out for 14mm bands or no ?. The shaft is 150cm and 7mm
Amazing modification Majdq8! Could you please share how you installed the specific Ermes trigger mechanism on the D'angelo 1 handle? Is it something easy? Do you just pop out the plastic trigger mech and put the Ermes right in? What did you need to do to install it? It would be great if you could show that part because I would also really like to do it.
THANOS STAVROU Actually was quite complicated to put a full DR Ermessub trigger, but good news is that there is now a DR trigger for the D’Angelo 1 which is very easy to install and takes only a little modification.
@@majdq8 Thank you for the reply. I have now checked their website and saw it, it seems like a really good idea one day I might try it. Nevertheless, thankyou for your informative videos and may you have good diving!!
What’s up Majdq8. I’m currently upgrading my pathos 110cm carbon. I’m going to buy the ermes upgrade kit but was wondering what shaft to buy. You recommended the America one shaft but it’s no longer for sale. What would be the next best shaft? Thanks!
I recently bought some Salvimar Pacific shafts with MIM laser welded shark fins and made out of 17-4PH spring SS. They don't have a cone but that should be easy to fix. I haven't tried them yet but they look very promising.
majdq8 Please test those out and let us know how it is! Lol I would buy those and test it myself but it’s a bit pricey. I’d hate to buy it and to doesn’t work well with the pathos laser lol. Ill look around to see if I can stumble across a sigulsub shaft for now. Thanks
hello,very nice videos indeed i just have a question regarding primeline small id bands, does the color affect the strech and strength of the bands cz i found pink/amber blue/amber black/amber and black/black which do you recomend?
No ... not at all. Color does not change anything as it is only a very thin layer at the surface and the rest is normal amber latex. Of course the more opaque the color the less chance that UV light has to degrade the latex inside.
ok thx for your reply
Hello Majdq8 ! Doy you think there is an interest to replace abellan trigger on a 120 by the ermessub double roller ? thank you so mutch
I switched out all my Abellan Triggers, it is a good upgrade. There is a custom kit from Ermessub that makes the conversion very easy. If it is not sold out then that is a very good option.
@@majdq8 thks for youre answer ! I love my abellan 120, but i'm look the alemanni 120 vela, do you think it's possible for you to test a inverted roller and say us what you think about it? please ;) thank you so much
Have you tried this mech with the Dangelo 2 handle? I just got a 110 carbon pathos with a dangelo 2 handle and was going to purchase the ermes kit but after seein this mech... I’m thinking I might just go with this one instead
Yes I have and the D2 double roller trigger did not work very well yet as there were some issues with tolerances. The D1 worked absolutely perfect aa it is much wider and allows for a full front sized trigger to be used. With a D1 DR trigger results were amazing and same as what I got in this test where I modded a D1 handle for full DR trigger. th-cam.com/video/K-sN4pQkWSU/w-d-xo.html
majdq8 Damn. Really wanted to try this Mech. And I love the feel of the D2 handle so I’m not sure if I’d want to order the D1 handle. I guess ill just buy the ermes sub kit for now. Thanks for the response I appreciate it 🤙🏼
hi.. its very impresive...
do sale some speargun. desame like this.. but for night dive?
Hey Maj,
Love all of your tests and thanks a lot for explaining everything ! I remember you use to recommend the Sporasub america one shaft , but I can't seem to find these online what would you recommend for a Pathos laser open carbon 110 ? 7mm shaft 140cm but what brand ?
Yes a 140 shaft for a 110 Pathos. Most important thing for accuracy is the trigger, it has to have a predictable let off and has to allow the shaft to go out of the track stable. For shafts @ 140 almost any good 17-4 PH shaft will work well, just put a cone in front of the flopper and tie your line up near the rest tab area. That gives the shaft the best stability during flight and will be the most accurate and will shed less velocity as it travels in the water ... thus more power at impact.
any particular reason you have the flopper on top Majd? is shaft just a bit too short for the flopper to snug in on muzzle track?
No not really, that is how the shaft came. I actually prefer flopper on bottom, but this is a Sporasub shaft with the MIM flopper ... it is very streamlined and doesn't even need a cone. Some of them have flopper up, but that has no effect on trajectory and gives same results as flopper down. These floppers are a work of art and it is unfortunate that these shafts are discontinued. By far the best 7mm floppered shaft you could buy. The Metal Injection Molding used on the floppers allows them to perfectly hug the shaft perfectly and there are a few minute little details in the flopper that make it perform super well. The metal used is 17-4 ph hardened to 47 HRC ... this allows a very thin profile without sacrificing strength. Whoever designed that shaft deserves the Nobel Prize!
cheers Majd! am similarly enamoured of my Hunt shafts
Hey I was wondering how you worked out your rubber Lengths. Like you say 360% stretch but how do you work that out. I have a 120 rob Allen and wanted to put rubbers on it. Just bought some 14 small I'd rubbers and want to know how long to cut them. Thanks
The Rob Allen is a low handle speargun, so you cannot push the bands like a high handle speargun. With a low handle gun you need to reduce the band power to prevent muzzle lift (which causes low shots and poor shaft stability). To get band stretch I take the distance from the band slot in muzzle to the shark fin, then I multiply by 2 for two sides … then divide by 3.6 for 360%. This would be the cut length of the band.
majdq8 ok so do I cut the longer the 360 like 350 or 340?
@@bennettbuchanan2162 I would start with 340% with extra long wishbones and then slowly make the wishbones shorter and try some test shots at a target around 4 or 5 meters. You want to add the maximum amount of power where the shots are not diving. You will notice that once you add too much power your shots will start hitting low … that is a sign that you should back off with the power a little until you get the shaft flying straight.
majdq8 ok thanks
Majd you are gaining worldwide reputation as the godfather of speargun testing. I have never heard of this emmeressub double roller trigger? Who sells these I have never seen them in Australia? Can you buy this trigger\handle and then put it onto any carbon pathos blank barrel?
You can buy the double roller trigger from Ermessub website. For the mod in this video, it took quite a bit of work. But there is a new DR trigger for the Pathos 1 which is a much easier build and also made by Ermessub. I will see if I can put a video on the mod using that trigger as it is a much more simple modification.
Hey May I have a Pathos Laser Open Carbon 75 cm speargun - I dont like the line release its way to small :( I would like to make a sideline release instead - what do you propose?
You can bet a Double Roller Trigger and fit it to your handle. It takes a little work but well worth the trouble as accuracy is improved dramatically!
@@majdq8 okay can you send me a link where to buy it
Please 🙏 keep doing these speargun accuracy tests. Looking forward to seeing you test the new Ermes-Sub Avatar carbon speargun 😉. Has the double roller trigger mech.
Yes the Ermessub Avatar handle and trigger was made after this test and the development of both handle and trigger are based on this test.
@@majdq8 that good I just purchased😊👍
@@majdq8 are you employed by Ermes?
@@neilrobins3329 haha ... no of course not. But I consider Mario a very good friend.
Will you test the new Sporasub Orion Wood gun?
I love Sporasub products and that would be an interesting gun. Didn't know Sporasub made a wood gun, thanks for the heads up!
Hey maj, you ever had the pleasure of testing a mannysub roller gun ?
I have yes, it is much much better than the Pathos roller. I think it is because of the ceramic bearings. But unfortunately it also shoots low when you power it up.
Hey Maj did you guys get the D2 DR trigger sorted? I know there was a couple of issues.
The D1 I tested and it is absolutely awesome .. by far the best trigger there is for any pipe gun. The D2 needs a little modification to the line release as it seems the one I have got polished a little too much and the metal lost was causing the line release to move forward too much. Was an easy fix for me to bend the line release but maybe not for others. Should be a quick fix and shipping version should be perfect. I tested the D2 with a huge Sniper 125 and 8mm shaft with hot load. Pathos gun users are in for a treat! I will see if I can put up some videos of testing ... pretty much same results as you see in this video!
@@majdq8 alright awesome! You guys got the roller maring issue fixed? Forgot what forum I saw there was a bit of an issue with the rollers.
@@majdq8 Looking forward to watching. I have to say I was not impressed with the first replacement trigger mechanism from SA. Not impressed at all.
@@slow_diver Yes those were rushed out too quickly and without proper testing.
What do you think of the picasso magnum evo handle?
Haven't tried it yet.
Nice...
Majdq8, could you make a speargun review on the Salvimar Hero, or Salvimar Hero Storm? They seem like really nice guns with a solid trigger mech but I would trust them better with one of your test and review videos.
I sure will! I just bought a bunch of them from 60cm to 125 in the green Hero and the new blue Hero Storm. They look very nice and design wise look like they would be good shooters!
@@majdq8 G
reat that's good to hear! will be waiting for the upcoming video then!
@@ths1158 ...yes we are waiting. Thanks!
Unbelievable accuracy ....every time. Is the handle mod difficult?
No it is not and definitely is a game changer. Check out my 3 videos on handle mod and you should be able to achieve similar results.
Very serious tests... But why you never tested a seatec geko?
Unfortunately I can't find that gun locally but it looks very interesting.
majdq8 I ca ensure is a very interesting speargun.. You should try the tornado version
Thanks for the info, will try and see if I can get one to try out.
Maj I really appreciate all your videos and the time and effort you put into them. Great info for all of us. But how have you not learned how to properly load a double band gun yet?? 🤣 The most anterior band should go through the posterior one so they lie nice and flat. Unless you're loading them this way for a specific reason? Thanks again
Lol! Yes of course I have tried loading back band first, this is especially true with the Sniper Pathos guns as they have front band muzzle wider for front band. But this causes poor shaft stability and seems to lift the tail of the shaft and cause low shooting. About 5cm or 6cm lower shots at 5m with nose entering target down. I still am not sure why that is and maybe can be fixed with band elevators. As it is, if you can find someone that can get the same or better accuracy than I am getting with my setup I will switch in one second ;). I actually do have a video testing both different band loading setups and can see the different impact point, but can't seem to find it ... it is there somewhere on youtube.
Thank you for the info and exhaustive response as always! You're the best
@@danieleabela6148 I found the link to the different loading systems ... it was unlisted ... not sure why I put it unlisted. th-cam.com/video/cv4EIormltM/w-d-xo.html
Hey maj, love the videos, but I just can't bring myself to do these big mods, I'm sure something would go wrong, lol. I also have a quick question, If you could choose one or two guns that are good either right out of the box, or with some band or shaft tweaks, which would they be? I'd like something that is good for big reef fish, but also capable of getting into open water hunting, (wahoo, small tuna, kings). I'm on the east coast of america where blue water visibility can be 30+ meters, and reef vis is usually 5-10 meters.
I'm also on the smaller side regarding upper body strength, so loading some giant 130+ cm gun is pretty much impossible, and even 120's might could prove difficult. Getting into shape could be worth dropping alot of money on a good gun though. I've always used small hip loading guns, but I'm trying to get into freediving and spearfishing more and more, so getting a nice gun would be a good start once I take some freediving classes. Thanks for the informative videos, I'll be here to watch them all!
Cool
do you sell these guns modified?
No, unfortunately I don't. But all the modifications I made are quite simple and if you look at my handle mod videos you have all the information you need to get the same results I get here with your gun.
Test the new c4 gladius
which one is better? dangelo 1 ? dangelo 2
If you do not plan to change out the trigger, the Dangelo 1 handle with the plastic trigger is better as the sears will not scratch. But of course a Stainless Steel Box is always better than a Plastic Box. If using the Dangelo 2 trigger with SS box you should change out the trigger with the new Double Roller Ermessub trigger designed for the Pathos D2. It rocks!!!
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