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✶TABLE OF CONTENTS ✶
00:00 Intro
00:14 Part 1: The Problem
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07:13 Part 3: The Why
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OMG YOU BEAT ME TO MAKING THIS VIDEO HAHA! You did it better ;) Pen Magnet is genius, didn't even know that existed.
One thing I think is a key thing with sliding nuts is pre-placing spare nuts underneath modules. So when you remove one/some, you don't need to remove a bunch of other ones just to get at more nuts. My algorithm is to put one spare nut for every ~8HP. So for example, if you drop in a 34HP Rene2, slide 4 spare nuts underneath it on each rail. Which I think is exactly what you had, but I don't think you mentioned the reason why... or I missed it and I'm lame. xoxo
I totally forgot to mention this!!!!!!! Thank you 🙌
Let's make a part 2 video together!
I am so down!
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@@Lightbath Hi, that's a great rule, except you have to put the nuts in before attaching the modules, and won't always know how many big or small modules you have, and you might sell/buy modules, etc.
Still, taking your rule of putting an extra nut behind a 8hp panel, if you have 104hp made out of on average 8hp modules, that's 13 modules, so 13*3 nuts = 39 nuts? That seems excessive, no?
I see Make Noise put 20 nuts. That's too been my experience of it being a sufficient number of nuts. What do you think?
The curse of the sliding nuts is that if you replace one module with two then you might have to take out a bunch of modules just to find an available nut to slide over. Well that and the sound it makes when you tip it sideways. For some that might be a feature.
Yeah. My solution is to add a ton of nuts to the rails. Just buy a pack of 100 square nuts and load 'em up. Then there's always one nearby (provided that you evenly distribute them when installing modules).
Cool to read and watch you in Patch& tweak!!
Thanks! My copy hasn’t arrived yet, but I’m looking forward to checking out all the peeps’ contributions.
Got a new 9u Pittsburgh Modular case with sliding nuts. I had no idea how I was going to align modules with nuts. Thank you for the genius magnetic pen tool! I use it and and thin hex screwdriver bit to move nuts around. Also appreciate your patch and rundown on how you create melodies...so helpful!
I use a toothpick, works fine. Only issue I have with sliding nuts is in some cases there's no way to add more so doesn't really work with a bunch of small HP modules.
Yeah, this is another good point some have brought up. I’m taking notes.
yes - exactly what I do.
I had 11 nuts in 84 hp in my first case, but that put some limitations on what I could put in there. Now I have 20 nuts in 104hp, and that is plenty. No need for any more.
You are the hero we deserve.
Love sliding nuts. First case was sliding nuts, second case threaded strips. Ended up taking out the threaded strips and replacing them with the slidies. Get a dad toothpick and you don't even to do the little flick
Everything about this is just...nuts
cashew sound like you wanna get on r beny’s comment thread below
By the time you master sliding nuts your case is full. OH THE IRONING.
@@apparently_sonam Isn't that the phrase?
@@apparently_sonam I am pretty sure it's ironing...
Bless the both of you 🤣
Didn't realize it was that much hassle. I was considering sliding nuts for my next case because it is cheaper, now I know I will still use threaded rails!
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Amen!
More videos like this please. :)
Sliding nuts in my Moog cases as well ... love them too
Sliding nuts are ok, but pistachio’s are on a whole other level!
especially when shelled
Love those black pepper pistachios, can’t have those in the house
Thank you for this.
It pushed me over the edge - I'm a Patreon now. You're the best.
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Man, I’m about to get a Clank case and the decision between sliding and threaded drove me bananas. Now I know my OCD brain will love sliding nuts, even though it might be a tad more tedious.
Also, your editing and lighting is stellar, you made me sub because of a video about nuts.
Probably not something most people on the SFW side of content creation can say xD
That’s nuts!
11 minutes on sliding nuts, almost as good as Mylar Melodies' half hour on plugging in modules - we're really taking it back to basics here! Never found sliding nuts to magnetise - pen solves one problem creates another?
You're welcome. And yes, the pen solves the problem and creates another... well, I wouldn't call it a problem... it's more of an... issue to be addressed.
Definitely more refined than angling the case and jiggling it back and forth ;)
Slidings nuts... when today's you decides to play a cruel game of hide and go seek with you several weeks, months later.
All my cases have sliding nuts. I just use a bamboo skewer to align the nut and it's fine. Where they absolutely fail it removing one large module and putting in multiple modules that add up to the same HP. It usually requires totally removing everything from the row and putting it back as the nuts are redistributed. Also because readymade cases tend to be made with some preconception about how many modules you should put in there, an insufficient number of nuts are included. So yeah, I don't think I'll be getting any more cases with sliding nuts, despite the convenience of making all my modules flush with each other.
My solution is to add a ton of nuts to the rails. Just buy a pack of 100 square nuts and load 'em up. Then it's the best of both worlds.
I might be able to do that to the moog skiff I have, since the ends come off, but the Pittsburgh and Makenoise cases are glued shut. But yeah, I agree that would be the best solution.
Glued?!?!? Oh’s no’s! I hadn’t realized. The Elite Modular case had little entry points to add more nuts and the Submodular can be disassembled and reassembled without too much trouble.
The Pittsburgh is ok that way since it's the little baby 96 hp square case, but the Makenoise shared system case is really just designed for the shared system. If you try to load the shared system case up with a bunch of 8-10 hp modules, you run out of power headers and sliding nuts real fast, not to mention power. But the upside of these shortcoming is that I definitely feel motivated to make my own case and just put in all the nuts and power headers I want.
Nice Tutorial Brian, handy tools but..........In the end the nuts will always be unhandy. Let us look forward and leave these old fashioned nuts behind hahahaha. Btw interesting patch you have made. with STO Zadar and Planar.....greetings
I've been on the lookout for deals on the rails themselves, and this reminds me, I often have to go to some trouble to drop more sliding square nuts down the slot. I just received a pair of 21.78 inch Vector rails from Digikey, and these rails have a well planned little hole punched into them just about an inch from one end. So this hole makes it possible for me to drop in more square nuts with much less disassembly. How this hadn't occurred to me earlier only conveys my lack of common sense.
Ah, yes! Those are the rails that my Elite case had. Made it very easy to add more. Also made it easy to lose a few if not careful 😉
I haven't got modular so I don't know if it will work but wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to use simply a piece of wire (say 1mm of diameter) instead of a magnet pen, pick a nut, stick it inside the nut and then put the module (it's hole actually) on the other end of the wire, adjust/center it and voila?
Woah, cool that you watched this anyway! Easier to use a wire? Perhaps. I find, though, that when I don’t know exactly where the nuts are hiding under the panels, that the magnet is most handy because it picks them all up and slides them together to wherever I need without the need to ‘fish’ for them. And that tap-trick of aligning the nut with the hole is super-quick, so it’s my preferred method. But I do know people that prefer the wire-fishing method 🎣
I recently switched over black m2.5 ceramic screws. They’re super tiny and I don’t need a washer to protect the panel. It’s easy to drive them cause they’re light and can be force fit to the head of the screw driver. Only thing you gotta be careful with is cross modulation... I mean cross threading, but for me it’s been mighty pleasant.
Woah, I hadn't even known about ceramic screws. That's nice that they don't require washers. So then, with sliding nuts you'd use a toothpick to position them?
Lightbath nuts are still metal. Best of both worlds ;)
Oh right 🤦🏻♂️ 🤣
I have to admit my OCD really triggers with sliding nuts, as it really kills me when I move my skiff around and I can hear all the unused nuts moving around as if a screw had gone loose inside my case... My other case has threaded, and I really feel is a neater method, as well as allowing me to swap things quicker
I can identify with that. It’s funny, for me, the clean front panel look with no gaps eclipses the screw sound so I lean the other way. It’s funny how particular many of us are about different details 😂
you're so funny. I have threaded strips in my case, but watched it anyway, just for the entertainment factor :D
Yes! Thank you! THAT was my aim 😀
Love sliding nuts 💕
Sub-note, listening to your demos is like listening to Brenden Small from Home movies. I love it.
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smh
kinda relieved that I'm not the only one who got an awkwardly drilled hermod...
Ah, wow. I’ve been wondering how many others experienced this.
I got the impression that my whole front panel is kinda...off(?) like,it's not really 90° angles in the corners.but I didn't realize until I filled the whole row a month later and it didn't fit with the adjacent module.well, at least it functions pretty perfectly so far.
i was happily ignoring all those tiny gaps in my rack, thinking i was justified saving myself an annoyance down the road. thanks a lot lightbath :)
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THANK YOU. For hearing my pain. Pen magnet! [breaking bad m a g n e t s !]
A serious question though. Is it easy to ad more nuts to these rails? I'm considering a Pittsburgh case.
For most cases, it is. But I heard that the Pittsburgh cases are glued together so they’re not so easy. Check the comments below for details. Someone was talking about it.
Hm. That's a bummer. I like their powersupply.
April 1st was a number of months ago.
Yeah, seriously 😏
Ha ha ha.
I always thought the Planar (1) had a jumper on the back that allowed you to reverse the polarity if you were installing the "upside down" plate. Was that not the case?
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@Lightbath, I mean I could be wrong. I'm no expert haha. I just thought I remembered reading that at one point. Nice video. :)
Thanks. I longer have my Planar v1 so I can’t easily confirm but I like to think that you’re right and that I had never noticed it was there. And that blows my mind 😄
I have, it does.
The Wiha driver’s red end cap looks like it might be removable. Have you tried hiding a small magnet under there?
Oooh. Nice idea. Flip style and the plastic could help protect the panels. I wonder if it would still spin if I were to try that 🤔
Or, you know, you can just use the plain good old rails in conjunction with Knurlies. No need for a pen magnet, a screw driver or extra washers, which can scratch the front plates and/or get lost. No need for flicking them nuts away from each other, no need to leave some spare nuts under the modules to ease future reorganisation of the case. No problem with an unsuitable screw driver. Also, no problem with a gap on the far left or the far right, when you slide all the modules to one side to be flush next to each other.
Literally every module I used so far has enough wiggle room to position it in such a way that there is just a tiny gap of like 0,5 millimeters between the modules, which I can't imagine somebody has bigger problem with than with those asinine sliding nuts; and there is literally nothing faster than using the Knurlies to reorganise my humble case. But maybe I am the only one who is not a sucker for apologetic videos like that...
I use Knurlies on all of my cases these days, though, they’re way too difficult to use without a driver, imo. And yeah, my two main cases these days use rails instead of sliding nuts. I’m grateful that the large one (1000+hp) doesn’t have nuts because I’d lose my marbles trying to sort it all out otherwise.
That said, not all of my modules have enough wiggle room so there are inevitably gaps here and there… but it’s a worthy trade for the ease of mounting modules.
That said, I still think that making a cheeky video about the sliding nuts controversy and how I approach it is 👍.
So whatever the case, thanks for taking the time to watch and share your feels.
@@Lightbath Fair enough. Reading through my comment again, I must admit I have chosen somewhat harsh words, venting my discontent with the sliding nuts on you. Please exuse both my foolishness and my hubris.
Haha! Well, those nuts can surely drive a person nuts.
Waving magnets around your gear is not recommended, in my opinion.
Demagnetize those nuts with a screw (de)magnetizer, for instance, especially with touch controlled modules, you do not want magnetized steel around that.
I just use a toothpick, it is not hard to align it that way for me, I always put extra nuts in between where needed, swapping modules is easier that way.
M2.5 8MM screws, philips head is what I have and I always use nylon washers.
Swapping modules is so much better with sliding nuts, that's the biggest argument for using sliding nuts I think.
Anyway, it is not an issue, it is a detail. You can screw your modules into lost of stuff, just be aware of temperature because rails are also a cooling system.
Oh, thanks. Those are a lot of good points if I ever make a more comprehensive video. I’m learning so much from this. I’m curious to hear more from people about the whole magnetized steel thing.
But yeah, are you saying that René could potentially act weird because of the magnet?
And when people use a toothpick, they’re using it to align a nut to the center of the hole, or to actually move the nuts around by inserting it between the rail and the module? And if the latter, I’m assuming that the module needs to be loosely fastened to be able to fit the toothpick in between the panel and the rail. Yeah?
Great video as usual. Great tip, I think the pen magnet is a good idea. I appreciate the arguments for sliding nuts but, seriously... fuck sliding nuts!
Haha. Yeah, I love the polarity on these things. But yeah, thanks.
Life is too short to even contemplate trying to utilise sliding nuts. Besides, this isn't a solution , I can't afford to purchase a magnetic pen, all my groats are spent on modules and cats...
Nice video. I have a completely different reason why I hate the nuts. I’m legally blind, and I love the thread rail and knurly combo. But thanks :)
Oh wow. Yeah, good reason. If I ever make an addendum, I’ll acknowledge this. Thanks.
Lightbath Thanks for your response! Accessibility side of the Eurorack modular instruments should not be under estimated IMHO. After being an high end experienced computer musician for a couple of decades, Eurorack saved me when my sight went worse. The tactile nature and the -one function per element- approach (at least that’s how it was when the whole thing started, and that’s what I’m personally gravitated towards) make it possible for someone like me with a visual handicap, work independently, and keep creating! Warm regards-
Yes! And what’s interesting is often I don’t remember what a certain knob/parameter is called, but I know where it’s located on the module and what it does to the sound or process when I turn it. This is something Emily Sprague and I have discussed in our chats on my Patreon. She feels the same way. We get a very spatial feel for which knobs and sliders ‘do the things’ and we interact with them using touch and that inner feeling much more than sight. It’s as if it becomes an instrument when I can play it with my eyes closed. And this often means creating a patch and really sitting with it for a long time. Not changing it for months so that I can really get to know it.
I can understand how a module like Rings could be difficult to use with the buttons that scroll through three different states each, but fortunately those two buttons make changes that are easily heard, so at least you won’t get too lost in those options. Whereas something like Plaits with eight different models per button is a lot more to keep track of. Granted, still possibly doable when compared to something that requires a screen like Plonk.
toothpick, and befaco knurlies...easy peasy.
Wider holes FTW.
I despise them with a passion :)
all of my rails are threaded strips
but to each their own i guess
Agreed. Well, thanks for watching.
I love sliding nuts. I love threaded nuts. I’m an equal opportunity lover of nuts...
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Sweet! Now your setup kinda looks like the Yin and Yang symbol
Haha! Tai Chi. Balance.
Is there any concern about a magnet damaging a module?
So far the consensus appears to be no. Someone who appears to know much more about data storage than I commented recently (I think it was on Instagram) that it's safe. But you know, don't take my word for it. Just know that I've personally never had an issue.
it probably safe just to have the power off while using the magnet
Fortunately the power is usually off anyway when using it 🎉
you will not damage the module by using a magnet. maybe you can scratch some modules if you are not careful but electronically speaking it is quite safe.
hey, thanks. Someone in another comment mentioned that magnetizing the panel of a touch module like René could cause issues with the touch function. However I’m unfamiliar with how difficult/easy it would be to actually magnetize the thing and if magnetized, what sort of issues would arise.
Hmmm!
Your explaination is fine but my Shared system arrivedwith a lot of the nuts on their sides rotated through 90 degrees and some were even flat in the channel, so I am NOT a fan of sliding nuts, the answer for me was to use a matchstick trimmed back to fit through the holes but on the whole HATE SLIDING NUTS.
If there was no problem with them there would be no need for a 12 minute video to explain what to do.
Those memes, that was fun : )
Maybe there is a market for 0,1-0,9 mm blank panels?
Ha. Yes. I seriously wish I could fill the gap between a couple modules in my Intellijel case.
Yes I intended to be funny, but thinking about it, on the Moog modules they have these rails on the sides that are there probably avoid dust-bunnies to breed inside. I mean, they live on statics, right?
Totally. I appreciate the joke. I’ve not taken a close look at the Moog stuff, though.
Next time you see a wall of Moog or just a tiny case for only $35,000.00, with those vertical rails you will go like: " Oh, those, yes off course"
Oh! Right. I toured the Moog factory once. I think I know what you mean now.
Always liked the sliding nuts myself. I don’t care for the threaded inserts that companies like TipTop use, they are cheap junk and suck.lol I own 4 TipTop cases and have problems with every single one! I also own 2 Pittsburgh Structure cases with sliding nuts and never had one issue with either one.
wondering what direction the comments will go in
Ha. Me too.
Pro tip; if you stroke a screwdriver with a magnet, the driver becomes magnetized
Yeah, totally. But I’ve found that the magnetism isn’t quite strong enough to reliably pass through the panels. Have you had better results?
Technically they are bolts ;)
Oh right! Good point. Screws are for wood and things and work on their own by gripping into a layer whereas bolts are for interfacing with nut technology! 🔩
Moral of the story, get threaded rails. What’s the advantage here? If you have to make a video explaining it, it’s clearly not the best solution...
If I preferred threaded rails I’d make a video about them instead 😉 That said, The advantage of sliding is the flush mount/no gaps, I’d say. That and the smaller screws if that sort of aesthetic pleases you. While the advantage of rails is not fussing with the magnet/toothpick/etc. Clean but fussy vs simple but crude. I don’t think one can be better then the other. They’re just two ends of the spectrum.
One would think... but I’ve encountered person after person who had never thought of using the magnet, so I wanted to share my approach for the community. Case in point James Cigler, who makes amazing things with modular, yet was not in the magnet zone... until NOW 🥜
nice advice, that could have been put in 1minute. :D
Some jokes need time to play out. I’ve never been much of a one-liner type: th-cam.com/video/0MxYoxs9UIc/w-d-xo.html
I use a magnetic screwdriver.
is that like a spork?
Is the new rené boy or girl
Gender Neutral all the way
Rene Descartes was the man the module is named after.
gross