Listen to this verse: "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorancee of foolish people." 1 Peter 3:15. We need to be able to defend our faith.
I've been studying the methods that are used in fossil dating and I can tell you they don't give accurate results, and more than that, many dating methods give waay too large timescales to pick and choose from, so the ridiculous geological column invented by Charles Lyle (found in your textbooks only) is used to give an approximate date to the fossils based on what layer of rocks they happen to be found on.. But because you can't know the age of the rock, you have to get it from index fossils.
This is incorrect. There are MANY dating techniques and they do give accurate results. They don't give you exact number of days the planet has existed but they don't have to. You need to look at the real reason why it's insulting to you that God waited 4 billion years for you to be born.
We also need to consider that after the creation period, God looked at everything (including death, disease and suffering???), and said it was VERY GOOD. it’s vital that we believe, that there was no death (of things considered to be alive in bible) before Adam. In Genesis 1:29-30 you can see, that originally every animal was a plant eater. God will restore things back to this again (Isaiah 11)
writings of Moses, how could you believe His (Jesus') words. He stated this, because ultimately all the doctrine that he teached was founded in Genesis. So I believe it's absolutely vital that we accept this book, the way Jesus did, as a literal fact of past.
I think it refers to both physical and spiritual death, remember when God told Adam that he would surely die, if he ate from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. After Adam ate the fruit, he did not die physically at that instant, but I believe he died spiritually. He lost the connection he had with God. Before the fall God had a very different kind of connection with man -- cont.
Some people believe from the text somehow that Adam and Eve were indwelt by the Holy Spirit before the Fall. It certainly would have been the case of of spirtual death, then, when they sinned. Along with others, this is John Piper's view. I've also heard that our first parents were clothed in light.
All you have to do is read Genesis. It’s pretty straight forward. If you are swayed by secularists then you’ll have trouble with the virgin birth and resurrection.
God warns about adding or taking away from His Word. And adding even one more hour to six days of creation leads to a form of evolution and DECEPTION. As a result, the DECEPTION today is not what Darwin did not understand but rather what he INSPIRED.
If there is a God, isn't it possible that he created something that seemed to be aged from the beginning? I'm sure Adam wasn't an infant when Eve came about.
There's a level of deception you're strapping onto God at that point. All our scientific disciplines and instruments point towards the earth being older than 6,000 years old. Why would God mislead? Is that even within His character?
@@sidtodd1220 but all our scientific instruments and disciplines do not point to the earth being old. Science doesn't tell us the earth is old, many scienTISTS do. You cannot make an informed opinion on this subject if you have not studied creation apologetics. What you will discover is that a scientist's worldview deeply influences their interpretation of historical scientific evidence.
who"s view is John referring to at 2:46 ? I can't make out the name Sam Hammers? I would like to do more research on this viewpoint if anyone could help please?
It's John "Sailhamer." He presents this view in his book "Genesis Unbound." Desiring God also has a lengthy article analyzing the book if you're interested: www.desiringgod.org/articles/science-the-bible-and-the-promised-land
@323spedro I'm so surprised to keep hearing people say that all modern science points to a young Earth. Can you please direct me to the information you're referring to?
Creation.com & AnswersInGenesis, if they truly represent Biblical truth, should not find it necessary to misrepresent science, dishonestly quote-mine, and shouldn't constantly denounce Christians who disagree with them by calling them "Compromising Christians" and in-league-with-Satan. "Lying for Jesus" has become a blight on American evangelicalism, sadly enough. We should obey the scriptures and not obfuscate the Gospel of the Cross with the traditions of a few in the church.
I would argue that there is not such a thing as the fossil record, all we really have are bunch of bones in dirt.. We can take those bones and analyze them, we can measure the decay rates of different radioactive elements, but even then, we would first have to assume at least: 1) that the decay rate has not been changed at any time.. 2) that the samples we are operating on are not contaminated, 3) we have to assume the original amount of the decaying element on the sample, based on a guess..
@TheB1nary "6 days" is quite definite and Jesus himself believed in the writings of Moses. I love listening to Mr Piper and have many of his books, but more and more in recent months he is building bridges to people and organisations that water down the word of God. Piper stood strong and we can and must be very docmatic about the word, there is no other fundation and no other truth. This is a serious issue.
@The555Ranch I'm sorry. That was a typo on my part and I tried to correct it, but the comment as you can see didn't go where I wanted it to go.. It should read insects, not little animals... maybe i was thinking about low life animals (bugs, insects and worms..) or something to that effect when i wrote that.
@TheB1nary this is not about me being better in any way or form. This is about me being disappointed about Christians (if so) who question the bible for the sake of mans wisdom, you are welcome to argue my choice of words, but fact is: 6 days, day, night: finished and very good - stands against any way of millions of years. This is not about me, this is about obedience and trust.
Whatever science says it is, it is? Come on, what is that, John? Science cannot tell us even one fact about the past since by very definition, science concerns itself with what is testable and repeatable.
@Josh0473 The Bible has a complete genealogy from Adam right up to Jesus. Ages at death are all reported. It is basically Hebrew history. (I also need to mention that some societies increased their kings to make it look like they were older....like Egyptian history.) It shows around 6000 years since creation to Jesus. See below why people doubt dating methods. All of them use assumptions unless you think they use time machines or something. Decay rates could have been different in the past.
@911TruthSeeker91 I'm curious, what is the empirical evidence for an old universe and earth you speak about? I always thought that we can't take history and make it part of science, but if you are willing to believe in the interpretation of a fallible "top scientist" about all this, I would like to know why?
@TheB1nary Are you using carbon dating? If so, you are assuming a set amount of carbon is absorbed at a set rate. You are looking at real time and assuming the rates or level of carbon was the same in ages past. Also, the decay rates of isotopes are handled the same. They assume current decay rates. Extreme heat and pressure, not to mention contamination, can alter decay rates by up to 14 times the current measurable amounts.
This discussion is starting to become little bit too crowded.. I get confused over what you are referring back at.. But I get your point. Also these are one of the few passages that Christ is quoting from the Genesis, or referring back to. . And to many people who believe in Jesus but think that the creation is just a myth, this is a thing to be pointed out, that Jesus himself spoke of the creation as a fact, not as a myth or an allegory. In John 5 Jesus told that if you don't believe the
@911TruthSeeker91 Also, I don't think that the pharisees would have confused themselves, about "what was Jesus refering to" since He directly quoted from 1.Mos.2:24 " Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. " To establish what the marriage is.
If you accept the idea that there was death and decay before the Fall, then you are left with many options as to the age of the earth. If you believe that the law of entropy was not operational before the Fall, then you are left with few alternatives when it comes to the age of the universe.
@orderedntropy It's not about what God could do but what we find His word telling us. When you read Matthew 19:4. Notice it says that man was created AT THE BEGINNING. If we take the Genesis account literally to mean 6 creation days, then the there is no problem to say man was created "at the beginning". But if we have billions of years before man, that would certainly not be the case. Because that's not the beginning, it's loong after "the beginning".
If God made everything fully formed and functioning,then the earth and universe would look old,just think about it,if someone showed up on the 7 th day ,the Earth would look like it always had been there.If we believe in scripture alone there's no way else to look at creation.Also notice God made everything backwards of how man believes it happened,even a woman coming from a man,this just shows everything was a miracle.
Wow, haven't preached Genesis in all your 63 years of life? I think it is a growing issue in this day and age to teach Gensis thuroughly. So many people are arguing about the age of the earth, evolution, creation, etc. Every Christian needs to have a firm understanding of these issues and be able to have an answer, even if it's not an entirely perfect one.
@TheB1nary I didn't say he was arguing for evolution. I wasn't misquoting anything. The fact is, Piper is excepting what scientists say about the age of the earth and saying we can some how just add that into the creation story in Genesis. Which does not work at all. The earth being billions of years old....that is from evolutionary ideas. It has to be that old for evolution to "work". Look at the magazine "Scientific American". It is always all about evolution between the lines.
@TheB1nary funny, but I disagree. Give me one reason (I will not to discuss it) why we should even have a single doubt on the 6 days. Why should one even think of it not to take literal and be this doubt Gods word?
People think the earth looks old, but what planet are they comparing earth to? If the earth is a few thousand years old than it looks like what we can already see. There can be no test to test how old something is without comparing it to something we know is that old already and that's impossible to even guess. So its either believe the literal Bible account as the answer or believe the minds of fallible men.
@TheB1nary obviously my last answer didn´t reach you. First thing to do, when interpreting a text is to see what kind of text it is. Is it a parabel, a metaphor, a narration... Here we find no indication for anything else then a narration. Moses says what God showed him (as we think) when he was on Mt Horeb. God says 6 days. Why should this be wrong? Because of the foolishnes of men? Yes this is disobedience. This is not trusting in the word. No transitional forms, period. No need for old earth
What does the Moses's law say about the creation of the world? *"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."* EXODUS 20:11 There is no room for debate here, nor human interpretations and fantasies. 6 days equals 6 literal days
Creationism is not just about the age of the earth. It's frustrating to hear that kind of reductionism coming from someone I respect so much. Creationism is about how what we find in the world from a scientific standpoint fits into the narrative of Scripture. Frankly, it is probably the case that most theologians are simply not qualified to answer most of these kinds of questions.
Hi But the Bible does say the light was created before the stars. I know that now light is created by stars (therefore light created by a star today would take millions of years to arrive in our eyes). But the Bible says God miraculously made light before the sun and moon. Light made on day 1. Sun, moon and stars made on day 4. Yes, that requires faith to believe. But on the other hand, to believe the universe came about from an exploding dot of nothing, also requires faith (perhaps even more faith). But I see the evidence people show for both an old earth and a young earth. Blessings
I am home. I have read my bible. Do you think it is OK to sell one's daughter into slavery as it says in the bible? Do you think it is OK to beat one's slaves, as long as they don't die within 72 hours of the beating? If no, how do you reconcile these biblical rules with your own morality?
junkmailjoebrown read the whole Bible and then read those questionable verses again. The Bible will give you your answers. You are just pick and choosing. Need to understand what is going on and why it was written. Yes there are strange verses like that in the Bible but there is always a reason. Quick example why does it please God to punish His Son? Answer: because we are saved, He is the perfect sacrifice in order to be with Him and have a fellowship and be the bride for His Son.
@Josh0473 I am not saying scientists are lying about dating methods. I am saying they assume rates have not changed in the past. There is proof they have.
@TheB1nary true, so true. It is very hard to understand, especially in the realm of scientists doubting the book. But you and I know, it is even harder to understand or better, to embrace the truth of a judging God who will for his own names sake will justly condemn most people he made to hell. What I say is that if we can not hold fast to these simple truths, we will end up with an Idol, not with God. I don´t say: this is Piper, I say he opened a door. Either the 6 is true or not, if not...
It's hard not to sin...... It's really hard because we have been finding for happiness. If happiness is a sin. Then why we seek for happiness? Because =pleasure=contentment then what's the point of everything.... What's the point of creation. Wouldn't it be good if we the souls and lives in the universe never been created? We will not even sinned just to find happiness. That's all peace. The universe is peace. But why you created us for? Sometimes when I'm really overwhelmed with life I wonder these questions why? Why God can be God? Why God exist? What's the point of existing? Can you please don't create me?? Could you please? I really hope I never exist. You risk us from going to hell the suffering. What's the point of heaven and hell if creation is not created and existing is not existing. Please I really please you. I want to be vanished and find peace. Please why you created us? Why why why? What's the point of everything in this universe? Will we cry, suffer because of breakups, failure in examination, death of our loves if you never created the non-existing.... I want peace. Please. Please all I want is peace and be vanished. Life can be painful. If life is happiness we would find happiness and happiness=sin? Please please I really want to know the truth. Why?
The only problem I see with the view that mr.Piper feels "in home" with is, that the bible says in Matthew 19:4 :"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, " If we even suppose that there has been billions of years of earth's existence, how can we say that God made man male and female, AT THE BEGINNING. Wouldn't that be like.. billions of years after the beginning... ?
@Hendrikvanslooten Every living thing is based off of evolution, this is a fact of life. Does that mean I dont believe in God? No, I still have a belief in the christian faith. You know we could go all day back and forth about evolution. Now about kids, you do have to give kids a sense of direction between whats right and wrong but you also have to let them explore and figure out things for themselves. What do u mean by "no you cant"?
What is sin when we're not existing. All we want is peace. Please. Why creation. We really want to have peace. It's all we want.... Because we never existed
@911TruthSeeker91 Well, I guess we just need to disagree on this point then.. I think it's ovbious that while Christ is not talking about specifically the details of human creation, he does identify it being "at the beginning" as in Matthew 19 and "from the beginning of creation" as in mark 10... You want me to believe that these are only talking about the "beginning of existence of man" whatever that means..
Science never claims 'absolute' facts. Religion does that. If we see starlight that has traveled 13 billion light years, how old do you think the universe is? If you find that both a snake and whale have hip bones, how do you explain that without including a common ancestor?
I cant personally show you because theyre in the fossil record. But if u are interested in investigating then go to a natural history museum and im sure u will find no missing links.
@911TruthSeeker91 Did you pay attention to Mark 10:6 where Jesus tells that man was made at the BEGINNING OF CREATION.. I find it hard to think that this refers only at the beginning of mans existence. I don't think we are left with any gap, if you are thinking about gap theory here.. Scientists are fallible men, I don't need them to revise the words and meanings of the infallible word of God.
@TheB1nary it´s not about me. If my God says 6 and the TEXT doesn´t give hints to not being understood literal, I will hold very fast to the exact same letter. Why? Because of ignorance or pride? No, because of trust into my Gods everlasting word and power to let us know what we must know. Piper says:" "When Solomon was old he went after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites." (1Kings 11:4-5). O to finish well! " Hold fast to the written word. Friends study Ps 119.
@911TruthSeeker91 I don't think that there is a distinction between animal and human death, in this regard. 1. Cor 15:21 tells us 21. "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead."
The same chapter identifies DEATH as an enemy.. read verse 26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. "
@The555Ranch Well, let me answer while looking at several aspects of this issue. Say that, insects are alive, what would that result? Well Noah, would've had to bring two of every kind of insect and bug on board then - while insects are perfectly capable of surviving floods anyways. (on floating trees for exapmle) Genesis 7:22 tells us "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."
@911TruthSeeker91 How do you know there were carnivorous creatures back then? I would like to point out that having sharp teeth doesn't make a carnivorous creature. All fruitbats have very sharp teeth, and they eat only fruits. It makes sense sure, that after the fall of Adam, after the ground was cursed, even the animals got more desperate and started to rip each others guts out, it makes sense then, but before the fall I can't imagine that taking place.
At 3:28 "Whatever science says it is it is". I have a problem with this statement. Science is about looking at the world and observing and testing etc. Science doesn't say anything. People make assumptions, interpretations and best guesses based on scientific analysis. The problem is that the secular science community that dominates the landscape says the earth is old and we evolved and were not created. That's a problem. Amongst creationists there is debate about the age of the earth from a scientific viewpoint. So none of that settles the question in my mind. The best answer seems to be what does the Biblical text most likely conclude. To me, it's a young earth. No hatred to those who think other wise like Pastor John. But to reach a conclusion about the age of the earth based on what ungodly secular scientists conclude is a fundamental mistake. They must conclude the earth is old, otherwise evolution folds, and if evolution folds then atheism is untenable.
Michael NewZealand Cool. My main issue with your original thesis is that atheism was expanding during the enlightenment, before darwin's theory of natural selection unfolded. I'm not convinced in the slightest atheism is untenable wihtout evolution, there would have been other observation that lead to a different conclusion that may have been the world is young naturalistically. Balance that with christians being at the forefront of scientific discovery into cosmology and evolution, and I'm left with: what science says it is, it is. If God said it is different, he said so with his purpose in mind, not a weird compromising literalism.
@Hendrikvanslooten You know i believe that science and faith can work hand in hand. Science explains the heavens while religion tells you how to get there. I can believe in evolution still and god that thrived upon evolution to human beings. I think faith helps us with following jesus and god, while science helps us understand the nature of gods works. Science and faith are compatible.
@TheB1nary I don´t think I miss the point, maybe it´s a lack of words to express. Don´t be too gracious. We are to call wrong teachings wrong teachings, no matter who is the author. We are to hold fast to what the Apostels and saints who walked before us believed, lived and died for. Truth is truth, wrong is wrong. This is not love to leave false teaching unattacked, you know Pauls call for holding fast to right teachings, about Mens wirsdom and ideas...
@Josh0473 The measurement of light is something we can observe and test. The age of say a rock, we can't see happening and can't really repeat with tests. Also, keep in mind that God created Adam and Eve as ADULTS. Not babies. When God created the universe and the Earth, etc. He created it all in working order. It was "perfect", just as Adam and Eve were. A scientist examining newly created Adam and Eve would say they appear to be around 20-30 years old when in fact they were just created.
@Hendrikvanslooten 1 short add; I do believe in micro-evolution, since dogs can breed out different looking dogs and so on and so fort. Actually I don't really believe in it, I just know I couldn't really find any proof busting this.
You can't say that it isn't important Whether the days of creation are literally six twenty four hour days. It’s like saying it doesn’t matter what the foundation of a building is made of, as long as the building is made out of good stuff we’re fine. Just read about the foolish man with the sandy foundation.
@911TruthSeeker91 Furthermore, I might add.. If we want to include some long time in the bible, before Adam.. That would make it a lot harder to think that there was no death before adam.. Since death came in the world because Adam sinned. Read Romans 5
@911TruthSeeker91 Really... well maybe I don't just understand english then, I thought that "from the beginning of the creation god made them male and female" carries the same meaning as .. God made them male and female at the beginning You see I don't think Christ does have to make any distinction here, because there isn't any. . . It all happened at one time.. at the beginning, like it reads in Genesis. and it took 6 days, like it says.
@911TruthSeeker91 "can't it refer to the start of human existence." It sure can, and I believe that also, but what you have to understand is that it's also talking about the beginning of all creation. Just look at these verses: 1.Moos1:1 In THE BEGINNING God created the heaven and the earth. Matthew 19:4 ..Have ye not read, that he which made them AT THE BEGINNING made them male and female, Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
-- cont. God was walking in the garden and talking with Adam. Because God is so holy, He can't tolerate sin before him, that's also why after the fall, God commanded Adam and Eve to depart from Eden and from the tree of life. Tree of life would've given them everlasting life, but this was not allowed because of the sinful nature of man, which was now present.
Obviously he is not an expert in this area. The organization Reasons to Believe has much scientific data from many Phd level scientists to speak for an old earth model. I hope you will take a look at it.
God is infinite but creation is not? So God was for infinity (virtually) just motionless knowing he would create but didnt until time began. To me that makes much less sense than, say, the material universe has always existed and material nature is just the lowest part of God. Why would God wait practically an infinity amount of time to create something he knew what he wanted?
@AhoSenpai What do you see in Matthew 19:4 that makes you so convinced Adam and Eve were created within seconds or days? You speak as if billions of years is a bad thing. If God wanted to, he could have made the earth in 6 microseconds. God's power is not diminished because he chose to take more time than 6 microseconds is it?
I guess I don't see the problem here.. You could say that the curse of Adam was "death", but also Genesis 2 speaks of the curse of the serpent(an animal), and specifically mentions that the EARTH was cursed because of Adams sin.. so that it growed thistles and thorns.. so ovbiously this curse would also affect the animals. Because of mans sin God was the first one who sacrificed an animal, in order to clothe Adam and Eve..(to make a covering for the affects of their sin)
@911TruthSeeker91 I happen to know about Hugh Ross already and don't share many of his views.. for example I think it's just ridiculous that he claims that the flood of Noah was just a local flood.. I myself am a chemist from finland. I have found that there are many many scientific facts that speak for a relatively young earth, for example the fact that there is not as much helium in the atmosphere as you would expect from a really old earth. suggesting 2 million years of age at best.
@Skaterkid126 but to be honest to you, "Freedom of Choice" is Not a biblical Concept. Romans is quite clear about our State of mind yet as sinners. We are spiritually dead in our sins, Not abel to comprehend nor respond to the gospel. We Need a God given miracle to come alive, Face our sins and then by Grace repend and be Born again. By Grace are we saved, Not by Works. If we had the power to choose, this would be works. Slaves don't Chose their Master, they are chosen and paid for.
Now insects don't have neither nostrils nor lungs, they breathe by absorbing the oxygen directly through their skin,(through spiracles) - the blood of the insects doesn't carry oxygen like our blood. Leviticus 17:11 tells us that : "Life of the flesh is in the blood" This is one of the reasons why I think plants and little animals might not be biblically alive - in the same sense as humans and animals.
I believe in a literal 6 day creation and i blieve that the heavens and the earth were created about 6000 years ago. God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days! Glorious!
I can tell by this that you clearly don’t understand how mighty and all knowing God is. Do you think God would need billions of years to create an Earth that suits him before he created man? Also, you don’t understand how much the flood changed the landscape of Earth. The Grand Canyon might take billions of years to form normally, but the flood executed that process in 40 days and 40 nights
(3:26 of video) "Whatever science says it is, it is." Wow! If we follow this statement to its obvious conclusion, would we not also deny the virgin birth and the resurrection, along with so many other things of our faith?
@hortulanus94 Quoting 17th Century scientists who believed the Bible is not a great argument for its veracity. They had only just stopped setting fire to you for questioning it. I don`t know of ANY Nobel prize winning scientists today who would interpret the Bible literally. Maybe the winner of the "Noah`s Ark" prize for dribbling cretinism might raise his hand. Many scientists allow some room for an unknown first cause to the universe ,but Creationism ? No ,they piss themselves laughing at it
A publicly confessed Bible believing Christian would be barred from most major universities let alone from winning a Nobel prize. That only proves the discrimination that exists in academia.
@Hufflewaffle Amen brother .Literal interpretations of the Bible can only be defended by ignoring the facts ,and constructing tortured "arguments" against the mountain of contrary evidence.
I appreciate your message! There is an explanation for the subject that Satan or Lucifer had committed sin! Just considered my words! It started long ago, we do not know when, it started deep in his mind when he saw the creator and slowly desired the position and the glory of the creator and in his mind understood that he had greatness ,power and beauty. In Him slowly improve and grew jealousy and rebellion against the Almighty! Wish this might help and keep on studying for more comprehension of God and that we can find God‘s plan for our lives!
It's hard not to sin...... It's really hard because we have been finding for happiness. If happiness is a sin. Then why we seek for happiness? Because =pleasure=contentment then what's the point of everything.... What's the point of creation. Wouldn't it be good if we the souls and lives in the universe never been created? We will not even sinned just to find happiness. That's all peace. The universe is peace. But why you created us for? Sometimes when I'm really overwhelmed with life I wonder these questions why? Why God can be God? Why God exist? What's the point of existing? Can you please don't create me?? Could you please? I really hope I never exist. You risk us from going to hell the suffering. What's the point of heaven and hell if creation is not created and existing is not existing. Please I really please you. I want to be vanished and find peace. Please why you created us? Why why why? What's the point of everything in this universe? Will we cry, suffer because of breakups, failure in examination, death of our loves if you never created the non-existing.... I want peace. Please. Please all I want is peace and be vanished. Life can be painful. If life is happiness we would find happiness and happiness=sin? Please please I really want to know the truth.
@meinaim God will condemn no one to hell and does not do so. All people have a choice. They condemn themselves to hell by rejecting the God of the bible/Jesus. (Providing they heard the gospel message and warning). It is their own....your own choice where you go when you die.
Also the BB theory presumptively states that the sun was chronologically FIRST and after millions of years of cooling down then the earth was made. This is not what the first chapter of Genesis tells me. Matter fact the first verse starts out "In the beginning God created the heaven and the EARTH. This means earth was created on day one and the sun on day four. I believe the first three chapters of God's Holy Word always sets the tone on what path you will take for the rest of your Christian walk. Job 38: 4-7 Only God and His angels were present during creation. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. You cannot please God without faith. And indeed your faith is tested right off the bat with the creation in Genesis. You must believe in ALL of God's Word no matter what the subject might be or how outlandish you think it may sound. 3:08 he says God didn't create anything new after He created the heaven and the earth. But according to Genesis chapter 1 He did this on more than one occasion. Please read your bible. Genesis 1:21 “And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that good.” Or Genesis 1:26 So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 3:21 you say if science wants to say the earth is millions or billions of years old they can if you compromise a little. But why not just read God's Word? By using the tight genealogy given in Genesis chapter 5 you can see the earth could be a little over 5900 years old. 5948 to be exact. God's work is not science. You can't utilize the scientific method to observe and test creation because IT'S SUPERNATURAL. 95% of all scientists are atheistic in some sense so this will be a surprise to anyone that they do not adhere to any theological expressions when attempting to explain it. At least he said something I agree with wholeheartedly and that is that every pastor should declare how they believe Genesis chapters 1-3 should be interpreted. This will allow us to test the spirit if it is of truth or has said pastor been compromised and tainted by a coalition of religions like Taoism, Hinduism and Buddhism to name a few? His watered down answer was quite timid to be honest. It took away from God's amazing splendor and glory when it comes to the interpretation of creation literally. This spiritually malevolent amalgamation is called SCIENTISM! "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition . . . And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-11, KJV I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 2 Timothy 4:7 - KJV Let everyone say Amen.
@hortulanus94 Pardon me , I don`t want to be too rude ,but you don`t seem to be a great ad for homeschooling dude. You might want to pop down to High School and see if one of the nice Biology teachers will explain DNA to you .
I was an orthodox Christian and now I am an agnostic Christians. I think the universe manifest itself through different religions and philosophical teachings eg. Catholic, Protestant, Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism etc. The reason I left orthodox Christianity is because it literally teaches something that is not that important to day to day life and obviously wrong. Human being is obviously developed through evolution, and Adam and Eve is a fairy tale. however, the compassion to the poor and practice of kindness is so much more important than creationism in Christian teachings.
How can evolution be true when it violates not only common sense but also the Second Law of Thermodynamics, that it, entropy? Where did the required extra energy come from and whence also the information?
And about plants, God commanded the inanimate earth to "bring forth plants"(Genesis 1:11,12), while on day five, He "created...every living creature that moveth" (v.21) At this point, and on day six to follow, He instituted the concept of giving "life" (Hebrew nephesh) to non-living matter - something He did not do for plants. Bible never speaks about plants dying or living.. They rather "grow" or "flourish" and "fade" or "wither"
@slap2tap2 There is plenty of evidence that busts evolution my friend. And as I recall I didn't call you a dictactor, I was just asking if you were one. If I say Cambrian Explosion, as 1 of thousands holes in Darwin's theory, you simply don't respond to it. You go wave with "the FACT of life". Well excuse me sir, but I prefer truth and science above opinions. Investigate for yourself and find out that Darwin can't give you most answers you need. Peace be with you.
At 3:26 he states that his view allows the age of the earth to be billions of years old or whatever science says it is - it is! However, should that not also then go for the age of man? Whatever science says it is - it is! Which is hundreds of millions of years! I find it very odd and very telling that he in one breath denies “science” on the age of humans, but on the next breath is willing to accept the “science” on the age of the earth! … Piper, come on! Just stand on the Bible! The best rendering of the Scriptures by far points clearly to a young earth!
I have been in the word lately and listening to ken ham. He has some valid points from the bible.
Listen to this verse: "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorancee of foolish people." 1 Peter 3:15. We need to be able to defend our faith.
“…yet do it with gentleness and respect.”
I've been studying the methods that are used in fossil dating and I can tell you they don't give accurate results, and more than that, many dating methods give waay too large timescales to pick and choose from, so the ridiculous geological column invented by Charles Lyle (found in your textbooks only) is used to give an approximate date to the fossils based on what layer of rocks they happen to be found on.. But because you can't know the age of the rock, you have to get it from index fossils.
This is incorrect. There are MANY dating techniques and they do give accurate results. They don't give you exact number of days the planet has existed but they don't have to. You need to look at the real reason why it's insulting to you that God waited 4 billion years for you to be born.
We also need to consider that after the creation period, God looked at everything (including death, disease and suffering???), and said it was VERY GOOD.
it’s vital that we believe, that there was no death (of things considered to be alive in bible) before Adam. In Genesis 1:29-30 you can see, that originally every animal was a plant eater. God will restore things back to this again (Isaiah 11)
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
- JESUS
I agree with John, for the most part on this issue.
may we teach our Lord's truth!
writings of Moses, how could you believe His (Jesus') words. He stated this, because ultimately all the doctrine that he teached was founded in Genesis. So I believe it's absolutely vital that we accept this book, the way Jesus did, as a literal fact of past.
I think it refers to both physical and spiritual death, remember when God told Adam that he would surely die, if he ate from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
After Adam ate the fruit, he did not die physically at that instant, but I believe he died spiritually. He lost the connection he had with God. Before the fall God had a very different kind of connection with man -- cont.
He did die, didn’t he?
Some people believe from the text somehow that Adam and Eve were indwelt by the Holy Spirit before the Fall. It certainly would have been the case of of spirtual death, then, when they sinned. Along with others, this is John Piper's view. I've also heard that our first parents were clothed in light.
All you have to do is read Genesis. It’s pretty straight forward. If you are swayed by secularists then you’ll have trouble with the virgin birth and resurrection.
God warns about adding or taking away from His Word. And adding even one more hour to six days of creation leads to a form of evolution and DECEPTION. As a result, the DECEPTION today is not what Darwin did not understand but rather what he INSPIRED.
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If there is a God, isn't it possible that he created something that seemed to be aged from the beginning? I'm sure Adam wasn't an infant when Eve came about.
cmoneymadhops chicken came b4 the egg
cmoneymadhops I think the question ur want to ask is. If god is good why r u dying
There's a level of deception you're strapping onto God at that point.
All our scientific disciplines and instruments point towards the earth being older than 6,000 years old.
Why would God mislead?
Is that even within His character?
@@sidtodd1220 but all our scientific instruments and disciplines do not point to the earth being old. Science doesn't tell us the earth is old, many scienTISTS do. You cannot make an informed opinion on this subject if you have not studied creation apologetics. What you will discover is that a scientist's worldview deeply influences their interpretation of historical scientific evidence.
who"s view is John referring to at 2:46 ? I can't make out the name Sam Hammers? I would like to do more research on this viewpoint if anyone could help please?
It's John "Sailhamer." He presents this view in his book "Genesis Unbound."
Desiring God also has a lengthy article analyzing the book if you're interested: www.desiringgod.org/articles/science-the-bible-and-the-promised-land
@323spedro I'm so surprised to keep hearing people say that all modern science points to a young Earth. Can you please direct me to the information you're referring to?
Creation.com & AnswersInGenesis, if they truly represent Biblical truth, should not find it necessary to misrepresent science, dishonestly quote-mine, and shouldn't constantly denounce Christians who disagree with them by calling them "Compromising Christians" and in-league-with-Satan. "Lying for Jesus" has become a blight on American evangelicalism, sadly enough. We should obey the scriptures and not obfuscate the Gospel of the Cross with the traditions of a few in the church.
I would argue that there is not such a thing as the fossil record, all we really have are bunch of bones in dirt.. We can take those bones and analyze them, we can measure the decay rates of different radioactive elements, but even then, we would first have to assume at least: 1) that the decay rate has not been changed at any time.. 2) that the samples we are operating on are not contaminated, 3) we have to assume the original amount of the decaying element on the sample, based on a guess..
It's like "I always observe traffic lights, unless, of course, they are red."
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@TheB1nary "6 days" is quite definite and Jesus himself believed in the writings of Moses. I love listening to Mr Piper and have many of his books, but more and more in recent months he is building bridges to people and organisations that water down the word of God.
Piper stood strong and we can and must be very docmatic about the word, there is no other fundation and no other truth.
This is a serious issue.
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I'm sorry. That was a typo on my part and I tried to correct it, but the comment as you can see didn't go where I wanted it to go..
It should read insects, not little animals... maybe i was thinking about low life animals (bugs, insects and worms..) or something to that effect when i wrote that.
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That would not trouble me at all, since i know how unreliable the dating methods we use are.
@TheB1nary this is not about me being better in any way or form. This is about me being disappointed about Christians (if so) who question the bible for the sake of mans wisdom, you are welcome to argue my choice of words, but fact is: 6 days, day, night: finished and very good - stands against any way of millions of years.
This is not about me, this is about obedience and trust.
Whatever science says it is, it is? Come on, what is that, John? Science cannot tell us even one fact about the past since by very definition, science concerns itself with what is testable and repeatable.
@Josh0473 The Bible has a complete genealogy from Adam right up to Jesus. Ages at death are all reported. It is basically Hebrew history. (I also need to mention that some societies increased their kings to make it look like they were older....like Egyptian history.) It shows around 6000 years since creation to Jesus. See below why people doubt dating methods. All of them use assumptions unless you think they use time machines or something. Decay rates could have been different in the past.
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I'm curious, what is the empirical evidence for an old universe and earth you speak about?
I always thought that we can't take history and make it part of science, but if you are willing to believe in the interpretation of a fallible "top scientist" about all this, I would like to know why?
@TheB1nary Are you using carbon dating? If so, you are assuming a set amount of carbon is absorbed at a set rate. You are looking at real time and assuming the rates or level of carbon was the same in ages past. Also, the decay rates of isotopes are handled the same. They assume current decay rates. Extreme heat and pressure, not to mention contamination, can alter decay rates by up to 14 times the current measurable amounts.
This discussion is starting to become little bit too crowded.. I get confused over what you are referring back at.. But I get your point. Also these are one of the few passages that Christ is quoting from the Genesis, or referring back to. . And to many people who believe in Jesus but think that the creation is just a myth, this is a thing to be pointed out, that Jesus himself spoke of the creation as a fact, not as a myth or an allegory. In John 5 Jesus told that if you don't believe the
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Also, I don't think that the pharisees would have confused themselves, about "what was Jesus refering to" since He directly quoted from
1.Mos.2:24 " Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "
To establish what the marriage is.
@edisciple That's funny, I find myself believing Reformed theology for the same reasons I believe "young earth" creationism: text in context.
If you accept the idea that there was death and decay before the Fall, then you are left with many options as to the age of the earth.
If you believe that the law of entropy was not operational before the Fall, then you are left with few alternatives when it comes to the age of the universe.
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It's not about what God could do but what we find His word telling us.
When you read Matthew 19:4. Notice it says that man was created AT THE BEGINNING.
If we take the Genesis account literally to mean 6 creation days, then the there is no problem to say man was created "at the beginning".
But if we have billions of years before man, that would certainly not be the case.
Because that's not the beginning, it's loong after "the beginning".
If God made everything fully formed and functioning,then the earth and universe would look old,just think about it,if someone showed up on the 7 th day ,the Earth would look like it always had been there.If we believe in scripture alone there's no way else to look at creation.Also notice God made everything backwards of how man believes it happened,even a woman coming from a man,this just shows everything was a miracle.
Wow, haven't preached Genesis in all your 63 years of life? I think it is a growing issue in this day and age to teach Gensis thuroughly. So many people are arguing about the age of the earth, evolution, creation, etc. Every Christian needs to have a firm understanding of these issues and be able to have an answer, even if it's not an entirely perfect one.
@TheB1nary I didn't say he was arguing for evolution. I wasn't misquoting anything. The fact is, Piper is excepting what scientists say about the age of the earth and saying we can some how just add that into the creation story in Genesis. Which does not work at all. The earth being billions of years old....that is from evolutionary ideas. It has to be that old for evolution to "work". Look at the magazine "Scientific American". It is always all about evolution between the lines.
@TheB1nary funny, but I disagree. Give me one reason (I will not to discuss it) why we should even have a single doubt on the 6 days. Why should one even think of it not to take literal and be this doubt Gods word?
People think the earth looks old, but what planet are they comparing earth to? If the earth is a few thousand years old than it looks like what we can already see. There can be no test to test how old something is without comparing it to something we know is that old already and that's impossible to even guess. So its either believe the literal Bible account as the answer or believe the minds of fallible men.
No they use specific dating methods based on certain chemical deterioration models to determine the age of the earth as I understand
There is also light lookback times that point to an old earth
@TheB1nary obviously my last answer didn´t reach you. First thing to do, when interpreting a text is to see what kind of text it is. Is it a parabel, a metaphor, a narration...
Here we find no indication for anything else then a narration. Moses says what God showed him (as we think) when he was on Mt Horeb. God says 6 days. Why should this be wrong? Because of the foolishnes of men? Yes this is disobedience. This is not trusting in the word. No transitional forms, period. No need for old earth
What does the Moses's law say about the creation of the world?
*"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."* EXODUS 20:11
There is no room for debate here, nor human interpretations and fantasies.
6 days equals 6 literal days
Creationism is not just about the age of the earth. It's frustrating to hear that kind of reductionism coming from someone I respect so much. Creationism is about how what we find in the world from a scientific standpoint fits into the narrative of Scripture. Frankly, it is probably the case that most theologians are simply not qualified to answer most of these kinds of questions.
Common creator does not explain 13 billion year old light. How do you explain that?
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But the Bible does say the light was created before the stars.
I know that now light is created by stars (therefore light created by a star today would take millions of years to arrive in our eyes).
But the Bible says God miraculously made light before the sun and moon.
Light made on day 1.
Sun, moon and stars made on day 4.
Yes, that requires faith to believe.
But on the other hand, to believe the universe came about from an exploding dot of nothing, also requires faith (perhaps even more faith).
But I see the evidence people show for both an old earth and a young earth.
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I am home. I have read my bible.
Do you think it is OK to sell one's daughter into slavery as it says in the bible?
Do you think it is OK to beat one's slaves, as long as they don't die within 72 hours of the beating?
If no, how do you reconcile these biblical rules with your own morality?
junkmailjoebrown read the whole Bible and then read those questionable verses again. The Bible will give you your answers. You are just pick and choosing. Need to understand what is going on and why it was written. Yes there are strange verses like that in the Bible but there is always a reason. Quick example why does it please God to punish His Son? Answer: because we are saved, He is the perfect sacrifice in order to be with Him and have a fellowship and be the bride for His Son.
@Josh0473 I am not saying scientists are lying about dating methods. I am saying they assume rates have not changed in the past. There is proof they have.
@TheB1nary true, so true. It is very hard to understand, especially in the realm of scientists doubting the book. But you and I know, it is even harder to understand or better, to embrace the truth of a judging God who will for his own names sake will justly condemn most people he made to hell.
What I say is that if we can not hold fast to these simple truths, we will end up with an Idol, not with God.
I don´t say: this is Piper, I say he opened a door. Either the 6 is true or not, if not...
It's hard not to sin...... It's really hard because we have been finding for happiness. If happiness is a sin. Then why we seek for happiness? Because =pleasure=contentment then what's the point of everything.... What's the point of creation. Wouldn't it be good if we the souls and lives in the universe never been created? We will not even sinned just to find happiness. That's all peace. The universe is peace. But why you created us for? Sometimes when I'm really overwhelmed with life I wonder these questions why? Why God can be God? Why God exist? What's the point of existing? Can you please don't create me?? Could you please? I really hope I never exist. You risk us from going to hell the suffering. What's the point of heaven and hell if creation is not created and existing is not existing. Please I really please you. I want to be vanished and find peace. Please why you created us? Why why why? What's the point of everything in this universe? Will we cry, suffer because of breakups, failure in examination, death of our loves if you never created the non-existing.... I want peace. Please. Please all I want is peace and be vanished. Life can be painful. If life is happiness we would find happiness and happiness=sin? Please please I really want to know the truth.
Why?
The only problem I see with the view that mr.Piper feels "in home" with is, that the bible says
in Matthew 19:4 :"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, "
If we even suppose that there has been billions of years of earth's existence, how can we say that God made man male and female, AT THE BEGINNING. Wouldn't that be like.. billions of years after the beginning... ?
@Hendrikvanslooten Every living thing is based off of evolution, this is a fact of life. Does that mean I dont believe in God? No, I still have a belief in the christian faith. You know we could go all day back and forth about evolution. Now about kids, you do have to give kids a sense of direction between whats right and wrong but you also have to let them explore and figure out things for themselves. What do u mean by "no you cant"?
What is sin when we're not existing. All we want is peace. Please. Why creation. We really want to have peace. It's all we want.... Because we never existed
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Well, I guess we just need to disagree on this point then.. I think it's ovbious that while Christ is not talking about specifically the details of human creation, he does identify it being "at the beginning" as in Matthew 19 and "from the beginning of creation" as in mark 10...
You want me to believe that these are only talking about the "beginning of existence of man" whatever that means..
Science never claims 'absolute' facts. Religion does that.
If we see starlight that has traveled 13 billion light years, how old do you think the universe is?
If you find that both a snake and whale have hip bones, how do you explain that without including a common ancestor?
I cant personally show you because theyre in the fossil record. But if u are interested in investigating then go to a natural history museum and im sure u will find no missing links.
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Did you pay attention to Mark 10:6 where Jesus tells that man was made at the BEGINNING OF CREATION..
I find it hard to think that this refers only at the beginning of mans existence.
I don't think we are left with any gap, if you are thinking about gap theory here..
Scientists are fallible men, I don't need them to revise the words and meanings of the infallible word of God.
hmmmm..... im not too sure about that....
Salvation is conditional on the suspension of skepticism (aka faith).
- a "Grift from God"
@TheB1nary it´s not about me. If my God says 6 and the TEXT doesn´t give hints to not being understood literal, I will hold very fast to the exact same letter. Why? Because of ignorance or pride? No, because of trust into my Gods everlasting word and power to let us know what we must know.
Piper says:" "When Solomon was old he went after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites." (1Kings 11:4-5). O to finish well! "
Hold fast to the written word. Friends study Ps 119.
@Skaterkid126 true
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I don't think that there is a distinction between animal and human death, in this regard.
1. Cor 15:21 tells us 21. "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead."
The same chapter identifies DEATH as an enemy.. read verse 26:
"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. "
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Well, let me answer while looking at several aspects of this issue.
Say that, insects are alive, what would that result?
Well Noah, would've had to bring two of every kind of insect and bug on board then - while insects are perfectly capable of surviving floods anyways. (on floating trees for exapmle)
Genesis 7:22 tells us "All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died."
@911TruthSeeker91 How do you know there were carnivorous creatures back then?
I would like to point out that having sharp teeth doesn't make a carnivorous creature. All fruitbats have very sharp teeth, and they eat only fruits.
It makes sense sure, that after the fall of Adam, after the ground was cursed, even the animals got more desperate and started to rip each others guts out, it makes sense then, but before the fall I can't imagine that taking place.
At 3:28 "Whatever science says it is it is". I have a problem with this statement. Science is about looking at the world and observing and testing etc. Science doesn't say anything. People make assumptions, interpretations and best guesses based on scientific analysis. The problem is that the secular science community that dominates the landscape says the earth is old and we evolved and were not created. That's a problem. Amongst creationists there is debate about the age of the earth from a scientific viewpoint. So none of that settles the question in my mind. The best answer seems to be what does the Biblical text most likely conclude. To me, it's a young earth. No hatred to those who think other wise like Pastor John. But to reach a conclusion about the age of the earth based on what ungodly secular scientists conclude is a fundamental mistake. They must conclude the earth is old, otherwise evolution folds, and if evolution folds then atheism is untenable.
Do you realise there are christians who have these jobs and arrive at the same conclusions as the non-christians too?
Sure do. Every one is entitled to their own opinion. Jonathan Sarfati has some good clips of youtube about creationism and a young earth.
Michael NewZealand Cool. My main issue with your original thesis is that atheism was expanding during the enlightenment, before darwin's theory of natural selection unfolded. I'm not convinced in the slightest atheism is untenable wihtout evolution, there would have been other observation that lead to a different conclusion that may have been the world is young naturalistically. Balance that with christians being at the forefront of scientific discovery into cosmology and evolution, and I'm left with: what science says it is, it is. If God said it is different, he said so with his purpose in mind, not a weird compromising literalism.
@Hendrikvanslooten You know i believe that science and faith can work hand in hand. Science explains the heavens while religion tells you how to get there. I can believe in evolution still and god that thrived upon evolution to human beings. I think faith helps us with following jesus and god, while science helps us understand the nature of gods works. Science and faith are compatible.
@TheB1nary I don´t think I miss the point, maybe it´s a lack of words to express. Don´t be too gracious. We are to call wrong teachings wrong teachings, no matter who is the author. We are to hold fast to what the Apostels and saints who walked before us believed, lived and died for.
Truth is truth, wrong is wrong. This is not love to leave false teaching unattacked, you know Pauls call for holding fast to right teachings, about Mens wirsdom and ideas...
@Josh0473 The measurement of light is something we can observe and test. The age of say a rock, we can't see happening and can't really repeat with tests. Also, keep in mind that God created Adam and Eve as ADULTS. Not babies. When God created the universe and the Earth, etc. He created it all in working order. It was "perfect", just as Adam and Eve were. A scientist examining newly created Adam and Eve would say they appear to be around 20-30 years old when in fact they were just created.
@Hendrikvanslooten 1 short add; I do believe in micro-evolution, since dogs can breed out different looking dogs and so on and so fort. Actually I don't really believe in it, I just know I couldn't really find any proof busting this.
Do you honestly believe you are expert enough for US?
@hortulanus94 18th Century I think ,actually to be correct . ( You know , when they kept slaves and thought the moon was made from cheese)
You can't say that it isn't important Whether the days of creation are literally six twenty four hour days. It’s like saying it doesn’t matter what the foundation of a building is made of, as long as the building is made out of good stuff we’re fine. Just read about the foolish man with the sandy foundation.
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Furthermore, I might add.. If we want to include some long time in the bible, before Adam.. That would make it a lot harder to think that there was no death before adam.. Since death came in the world because Adam sinned. Read Romans 5
@911TruthSeeker91
Really... well maybe I don't just understand english then, I thought that
"from the beginning of the creation god made them male and female" carries the same meaning as .. God made them male and female at the beginning
You see I don't think Christ does have to make any distinction here, because there isn't any. . . It all happened at one time.. at the beginning, like it reads in Genesis. and it took 6 days, like it says.
@911TruthSeeker91 "can't it refer to the start of human existence."
It sure can, and I believe that also, but what you have to understand is that it's also talking about the beginning of all creation. Just look at these verses:
1.Moos1:1 In THE BEGINNING God created the heaven and the earth.
Matthew 19:4 ..Have ye not read, that he which made them AT THE BEGINNING made them male and female,
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
-- cont. God was walking in the garden and talking with Adam. Because God is so holy, He can't tolerate sin before him, that's also why after the fall, God commanded Adam and Eve to depart from Eden and from the tree of life. Tree of life would've given them everlasting life, but this was not allowed because of the sinful nature of man, which was now present.
Obviously he is not an expert in this area. The organization Reasons to Believe has much scientific data from many Phd level scientists to speak for an old earth model. I hope you will take a look at it.
God is infinite but creation is not? So God was for infinity (virtually) just motionless knowing he would create but didnt until time began. To me that makes much less sense than, say, the material universe has always existed and material nature is just the lowest part of God. Why would God wait practically an infinity amount of time to create something he knew what he wanted?
@AhoSenpai What do you see in Matthew 19:4 that makes you so convinced Adam and Eve were created within seconds or days? You speak as if billions of years is a bad thing. If God wanted to, he could have made the earth in 6 microseconds. God's power is not diminished because he chose to take more time than 6 microseconds is it?
What about it is crap?
whatever science says it is, it is? science says some very specific things about the evolution of man, not just the formation of the earth.
I guess I don't see the problem here..
You could say that the curse of Adam was "death", but also Genesis 2 speaks of the curse of the serpent(an animal), and specifically mentions that the EARTH was cursed because of Adams sin.. so that it growed thistles and thorns.. so ovbiously this curse would also affect the animals.
Because of mans sin God was the first one who sacrificed an animal, in order to clothe Adam and Eve..(to make a covering for the affects of their sin)
@Skaterkid126 well...as I say.
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I happen to know about Hugh Ross already and don't share many of his views.. for example I think it's just ridiculous that he claims that the flood of Noah was just a local flood..
I myself am a chemist from finland. I have found that there are many many scientific facts that speak for a relatively young earth, for example the fact that there is not as much helium in the atmosphere as you would expect from a really old earth. suggesting 2 million years of age at best.
@Skaterkid126 but to be honest to you, "Freedom of Choice" is Not a biblical Concept. Romans is quite clear about our State of mind yet as sinners. We are spiritually dead in our sins, Not abel to comprehend nor respond to the gospel. We Need a God given miracle to come alive, Face our sins and then by Grace repend and be Born again. By Grace are we saved, Not by Works. If we had the power to choose, this would be works. Slaves don't Chose their Master, they are chosen and paid for.
jonny God didnt make the creation to look old for the creation was subjected to futility,.....rom 8: 21-22
My God is not a trickster.
@@gordonwaldner9792 what im saying is that because of sin God cursed his own creation
Now insects don't have neither nostrils nor lungs, they breathe by absorbing the oxygen directly through their skin,(through spiracles) - the blood of the insects doesn't carry oxygen like our blood.
Leviticus 17:11 tells us that : "Life of the flesh is in the blood"
This is one of the reasons why I think plants and little animals might not be biblically alive - in the same sense as humans and animals.
* correction, plants and insects
I believe in a literal 6 day creation and i blieve that the heavens and the earth were created about 6000 years ago. God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days! Glorious!
Seems most obvious from the text. Agreed!
Agreed
you do not have common sense. blind faith is dangerous.
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I can tell by this that you clearly don’t understand how mighty and all knowing God is. Do you think God would need billions of years to create an Earth that suits him before he created man? Also, you don’t understand how much the flood changed the landscape of Earth. The Grand Canyon might take billions of years to form normally, but the flood executed that process in 40 days and 40 nights
I've trolled people with this.... It shocks me to see people who believe it...
(3:26 of video) "Whatever science says it is, it is." Wow! If we follow this statement to its obvious conclusion, would we not also deny the virgin birth and the resurrection, along with so many other things of our faith?
Rod Hamilton I felt so uncomfortable when I heard him say this.
@hortulanus94 Quoting 17th Century scientists who believed the Bible is not a great argument for its veracity.
They had only just stopped setting fire to you for questioning it. I don`t know of ANY Nobel prize winning scientists today who would interpret the Bible literally. Maybe the winner of the "Noah`s Ark" prize for dribbling cretinism might raise his hand. Many scientists allow some room for an unknown first cause to the universe ,but Creationism ? No ,they piss themselves laughing at it
A publicly confessed Bible believing Christian would be barred from most major universities let alone from winning a Nobel prize. That only proves the discrimination that exists in academia.
@Hufflewaffle Amen brother .Literal interpretations of the Bible can only be defended by ignoring the facts ,and constructing tortured "arguments" against the mountain of contrary evidence.
But isn’t it obvious genesis is meant to be taken litetally
Da Man obviously a myth. If you take it literally your critical thinking skills are the same as a lungfish’s.
I’m not a Christian but I mean why else would Jesus make references to Adam and Eve and stuff it wasn’t meant to be literal
Da Man He may have wanted people to believe it. It isn’t true though.
ilikezappa yeah I don’t think Christianity is literally true I think it’s metaphorically true
I appreciate your message!
There is an explanation for the subject that Satan or Lucifer had committed sin! Just considered my words! It started long ago, we do not know when, it started deep in his mind when he saw the creator and slowly desired the position and the glory of the creator and in his mind understood that he had greatness ,power and beauty. In Him slowly improve and grew jealousy and rebellion against the Almighty!
Wish this might help and keep on studying for more comprehension of God and that we can find God‘s plan for our lives!
It's hard not to sin...... It's really hard because we have been finding for happiness. If happiness is a sin. Then why we seek for happiness? Because =pleasure=contentment then what's the point of everything.... What's the point of creation. Wouldn't it be good if we the souls and lives in the universe never been created? We will not even sinned just to find happiness. That's all peace. The universe is peace. But why you created us for? Sometimes when I'm really overwhelmed with life I wonder these questions why? Why God can be God? Why God exist? What's the point of existing? Can you please don't create me?? Could you please? I really hope I never exist. You risk us from going to hell the suffering. What's the point of heaven and hell if creation is not created and existing is not existing. Please I really please you. I want to be vanished and find peace. Please why you created us? Why why why? What's the point of everything in this universe? Will we cry, suffer because of breakups, failure in examination, death of our loves if you never created the non-existing.... I want peace. Please. Please all I want is peace and be vanished. Life can be painful. If life is happiness we would find happiness and happiness=sin? Please please I really want to know the truth.
@meinaim God will condemn no one to hell and does not do so. All people have a choice. They condemn themselves to hell by rejecting the God of the bible/Jesus. (Providing they heard the gospel message and warning). It is their own....your own choice where you go when you die.
Also the BB theory presumptively states that the sun was chronologically FIRST and after millions of years of cooling down then the earth was made. This is not what the first chapter of Genesis tells me. Matter fact the first verse starts out "In the beginning God created the heaven and the EARTH. This means earth was created on day one and the sun on day four. I believe the first three chapters of God's Holy Word always sets the tone on what path you will take for the rest of your Christian walk. Job 38: 4-7 Only God and His angels were present during creation.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
You cannot please God without faith. And indeed your faith is tested right off the bat with the creation in Genesis. You must believe in ALL of God's Word no matter what the subject might be or how outlandish you think it may sound.
3:08 he says God didn't create anything new after He created the heaven and the earth. But according to Genesis chapter 1 He did this on more than one occasion. Please read your bible. Genesis 1:21 “And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that good.” Or Genesis 1:26 So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
3:21 you say if science wants to say the earth is millions or billions of years old they can if you compromise a little. But why not just read God's Word? By using the tight genealogy given in Genesis chapter 5 you can see the earth could be a little over 5900 years old. 5948 to be exact.
God's work is not science. You can't utilize the scientific method to observe and test creation because IT'S SUPERNATURAL. 95% of all scientists are atheistic in some sense so this will be a surprise to anyone that they do not adhere to any theological expressions when attempting to explain it.
At least he said something I agree with wholeheartedly and that is that every pastor should declare how they believe Genesis chapters 1-3 should be interpreted. This will allow us to test the spirit if it is of truth or has said pastor been compromised and tainted by a coalition of religions like Taoism, Hinduism and Buddhism to name a few? His watered down answer was quite timid to be honest. It took away from God's amazing splendor and glory when it comes to the interpretation of creation literally.
This spiritually malevolent amalgamation is called SCIENTISM!
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition . . . And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8-11, KJV
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 2 Timothy 4:7 - KJV
Let everyone say Amen.
@hortulanus94 Pardon me , I don`t want to be too rude ,but you don`t seem to be a great ad for homeschooling dude. You might want to pop down to High School and see if one of the nice Biology teachers will explain DNA to you .
@323spedo
Man, that's just sad.
I was an orthodox Christian and now I am an agnostic Christians. I think the universe manifest itself through different religions and philosophical teachings eg. Catholic, Protestant, Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism etc. The reason I left orthodox Christianity is because it literally teaches something that is not that important to day to day life and obviously wrong. Human being is obviously developed through evolution, and Adam and Eve is a fairy tale. however, the compassion to the poor and practice of kindness is so much more important than creationism in Christian teachings.
How can evolution be true when it violates not only common sense but also the Second Law of Thermodynamics, that it, entropy? Where did the required extra energy come from and whence also the information?
And about plants, God commanded the inanimate earth to "bring forth plants"(Genesis 1:11,12), while on day five, He "created...every living creature that moveth" (v.21) At this point, and on day six to follow, He instituted the concept of giving "life" (Hebrew nephesh) to non-living matter - something He did not do for plants.
Bible never speaks about plants dying or living.. They rather "grow" or "flourish" and "fade" or "wither"
wish he had read more comics when he was young ....
@slap2tap2 There is plenty of evidence that busts evolution my friend. And as I recall I didn't call you a dictactor, I was just asking if you were one. If I say Cambrian Explosion, as 1 of thousands holes in Darwin's theory, you simply don't respond to it. You go wave with "the FACT of life". Well excuse me sir, but I prefer truth and science above opinions. Investigate for yourself and find out that Darwin can't give you most answers you need. Peace be with you.
He’s unwittingly allowed science to determine his view and thus made it the 67th book of the bible.
God created the world in 6, 24 hour days.......simples!
At 3:26 he states that his view allows the age of the earth to be billions of years old or whatever science says it is - it is! However, should that not also then go for the age of man? Whatever science says it is - it is! Which is hundreds of millions of years! I find it very odd and very telling that he in one breath denies “science” on the age of humans, but on the next breath is willing to accept the “science” on the age of the earth! … Piper, come on! Just stand on the Bible! The best rendering of the Scriptures by far points clearly to a young earth!