Thumb turn Euro cylinders
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2016
- Thumb turn euro cylinders are often a good idea for many properties as they mean that it will always be possible to get in the property as long as you have the key. With most normal euro cylinders if someone leaves the key in the lock on the inside of the property and someone tries to unlock the door from outside the euro cylinder can be damaged. Fitting a thumb turn lock takes a matter of minutes, you can even get high security versions which are ant-bump, anti-pick and snap resistant.
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Some great advice! I can remember you did a video a little while back explaining the difference between a standard euro cylinder lock and something like an ABS one. I changed my euro cylinder lock straight after seeing that!
+Mark Alger
That was a few years back, I remember it well.
The ABS is a good choice of cylinder.
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+MKRM27
I'm happy knowing that 6 locks are more secure and can't be snapped anymore ;-)
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+Ultimate Handyman Make that 8 locks!
We have just moved into a house that requires a key on both sides, like you say, really unsafe in a fire or an emergency, I can use this video to change my locks now. Thanks 👍
thank you so much for this demo and thank you so much for making us saving more of our income.
+Pmpbuh Pmpbuh
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment ;-)
I always love your videos..been watching you for years! I'm a painter so when I'm doing the odd handyman job, before starting a task , I always visit your videos 👌👍
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These are great for criminals. Break in at the back (as a lot do). Open front door without any noise or hassle. Drive removal van outside and empty the property. Thanks thumbturn!
They are also good if you need to get out quickly if there is a fire ;-)
Thanks I've ticked changing a lock of my things to do thanks to your help 😊
I’m glad you found the video useful
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@@ultimatehandyman very useful thanks so much. If it wasn't for how to ........ Videos I'd be paying loads for locksmith and many other things I w manager to do in the past
Brilliant video again mate. Our garage door lock is on the way out and this vid uses a similar design cylinder, easy!
+Allan D
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When I was going to fit these, they weren't covered by insurance. Mine had a "external doors must be key operated on both sides" clause for no apparent reason... You may want to check yours...
Nice videos btw, very good and to the point...
+Tosh Yusaf
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Useful thanks. Hadn't thought about the key thing with a let etc.
+Dave White
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Nice. Your a credit to the building game mate.
+Jimjim Skimmer
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Great video. How to REMOVE a thumb turn lock? I always like to change my locks when moving into a new property, you never know who has the old keys.
Yes. That is always a good idea. Also change the code for the burglar alarm.
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Thanks for the link Ches, Question for you ? How do I measure the lock ? Is it the length or the width ? Thanks again for your quick reply & another brilliant video
+TheAudiostud
You are welcome.
This should help, the video is not public yet though so you might get a notification about it in a few days ;-)
th-cam.com/video/Viw_enVgIfw/w-d-xo.html
Did you get it measured?
I just got a new front door with glass and sidelights (glass panels) and the company fitted this lock on the door. I dont like it because i have alot of glass beside the lock. Can i change from a thumb turn lock to an ordinary lock which i can use with a key on the inside.
I picked a pin and tumbler lock. The lock face has moved, however, the lock is still in between the door and door frame. What do I do?
Hi,I have this type of key on my back door, one thing that I discovered is that you can get different lengths of these so you have to take measurements before hand to ensure you get the right one
+John Fithian-Franks
That's correct John, you have to measure any Euro cylinder as there are many different sizes.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Yep, we use euro cylinders with thumbturns for tenant properties, very good idea. I'll have them in my place as well, once the renovation is complete! You could do a whole series on "things that make renting less of a hassle", I'd start with a video on how to replace all your self-locking window locks with non self-locking ones! Sick of having to source replacement window keys because people lose them then press the little button which locks the thing. Oh, and fitting drain covers, fitting boiler re-fill taps, the list goes on...!
+Mat Smith
I think the best advice is to keep well away from rental properties. If you want to make money do it on refurbishments, not lettings as a lot of rentals can be a pain. I know a girl in the next town and her and her boyfriend have a lot of rentals and they get nothing but hassle on a daily basis!
Thanks for the comment ;-)
+Ultimate Handyman Absolutely right! Sadly I'm lumbered with sorting out one for my dad as he is getting old. So much work... you are often dealing with people who not only can't fix basic stuff, but whinge constantly about things. It's almost a full time job!
+Mat Smith
It's very difficult most of the time.
One of my previous tenants lost the key to the back door (luckily it was unlocked) , so I went out and measured the cylinder and ordered it from ebay. The cylinder arrived and I was on site that week, so at dinner I gave him a call and nipped out at dinner, my tools were all at home and the rest were on site, but I thought every guy has at least one screwdriver- Nope, he didn't have a single screwdriver to his name! Luckily I found a phillips bit in the van tool box, which I used with my ratchet!
Don't get me started on the whinging LOL, this tenant expects me to replace the light bulbs!
+Ultimate Handyman Argh, nightmare! Only this morning a tenant emailed me to say her oven wasn't working, after last time with the same tenant I drove over an hour to look at it only to find it wasn't the oven at all, it was the hob, and guess what, I re-aligned the gas ring and it worked fine. It gets tempting to start charging for callouts when there is no problem! I'm not even a handyman, but I'm becoming one! I think people whinge when they know they can, but if you put a possible penalty in front of them, they try that little bit harder...
+Mat Smith
Nightmare, my properties are only 10 minutes away and that's far enough to drive- especially if there is nothing wrong!
I think the best idea is to only rent to 20 year old fit nymphomaniacs, then if you get called out for nothing you might as well stop for a brew (Only joking). I'm amazed by the amount of people that cannot even do the most basic of things!
Thanks for that mate much appreciated ;-)
You are welcome 👍
Changed a couple of Euro cylinders for a customer recently. The old ones had been installed incorrectly and not been measured properly.
I've seen brand new doors installed with the incorrect size cylinders installed!
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Do they come in different sizes or are they all one size for the UPVC doors? Barry (from West Kirby, Wirral)
+Barry Roberts
Yes, Barry. You need to get the correct size cylinder for your door.
I'll make a video soon showing how to measure the cylinder ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Hi. If someone has locked the door from the inside with the thumbturn, can another family member still unlock the door from the outside with a key please?
I assume that there are different sizes and would need to measure the lock in situ, is it from each end to the pin hole in the middle and how would you know it`s of high quality ,is it the higher number of pins and or other factors ? Regards.
You can measure the Euro cylinder in situ- th-cam.com/video/Viw_enVgIfw/w-d-xo.html
Normally the more expensive locks, which are often called anti-bump or anti-pick are the better ones. This does not mean that they cannot be defeated by a skilled person, which is why I always recommend a fully working burglar alarm too 👍
"Bit of a pain in the &@$&"... I wonder if she was watching ;-) Useful video, as always. First by the way.
+Colin Herbert
I doubt if she even know what the internet is, unless they start showing it in the pub ;-)
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Great video, had no idea there existed. That was funny what you said about your Tennant.
To be honest, they do seem dangerous for use in house with kids under 10, they can just turn the knob and walk out the door, do you know if they come with any child safety features?
+Faisal Y
Yes, that's a good point. I would always advise having another lock on the door to prevent the kids from escaping ;-)
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+Ultimate Handyman Does that not defeat the object of having a thumb turn euro lock in the first place.Not a criticism, just an observation.
+Cliff Carlo
No, a thumb turn means that you can get out quickly in a fire, it also means that you can never be locked out and will never damage the Euro cylinder if someone has left the key on the inside. A barrel bolt high up on the door will stop the kids from escaping. Or if you have an internal door in the porch, put a lock on that. We used to keep the front door unlocked during the day, but always kept the vestibule door locked.
Thanks for the comment
Would it also be easier for burglar Bill to exit the house with your plasma tv after he has gained entry through a side window.
+Cliff Carlo
Yes it would, but they still have to break in first.
I hope that most people don't rely on just their door locks to protect their property and have working burglar alarms.
My house is alarmed and so are both my rental properties- I just hope that the tenants use them!
You can lead a horse to water- but you can't make it drink ;-)
When the door is locked on the outside could someone on the inside use the thumbturn to open the door? I want to change my current lock to a thumbturn but I’m concerned that if burglars broke in they could exit via the front door taking large items with them. Thanks for your video.
Yes, if the door is locked from outside, the door can be unlocked from inside using the thumb turn. I would never fit a thumb turn lock unless I had a fully working burglar alarm at the property.
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Good point UH. I'm trying to get a balance between security and safety as I don't like leaving the key in the lock at night but neither do I like the thought of scrambling around trying to find the key if there's a fire. I have an alarm so that helps my decision. Thanks.
I normally put the alarm on at night and when the property is empty, but I hang the front door key on the inside of the vestibule door, so that nobody can reach the key from outside but it's easy for anyone inside of the property to reach it. I have heard about people "fishing" through the letterbox to pick up keys etc.
Thanks for the comments
Yes, fishing is common especially when people leave car keys on hooks in the hallway. Mind you, with modern vehicles it's not so necessary to have the key anymore as the thieves often have sophisticated tools to override the vehicles electronics! Thanks for your help.
Luckily, I drive a 13 year old van, so it is not worth stealing LOL.
I have heard of a few fancy cars being stolen by professional gangs.
You are very welcome, thanks for the comments ;-)
Hi there, I've done exactly as you've done on a pair of pvc doors to the garden using a Yale 3 star euro cylinder lock. And I can't get it to lock the door 🤷♀️ it feels like it's locking but push handle down and it opens, I've uninstalled and reinstalled a couple times now and nothings changed. What could I possibly be doing wrong? Please help!! Regards Linda
hi chez my plasterer removed a light switch. i needed advice on wiring it back up again.its a one way light but it has two reds two black and two earth wires.any chance you could tell me how to wire it up again please. many thanks.
+arfan jhangir Probably best to ask here, as I'm out for most of the day, a picture of the wires would also help - www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/lighting-f33.html
Where did you buy your cylinder's from ches
+TheAudiostud I bought them from this seller on ebay-fave.co/1piPJQ0
'Cos the tenant is there and she is a bit of a pain in the arse' haha, I hear you!!
+unuuk
LOL, seriously she can be a pain.
A few weeks back she rings me up and says the boiler is not working. I ask if the pressure is ok, which it is. Luckily the Gas safe man is going the next day to do the gas safety certificate. He rings me to say there is no credit in the gas meter!
+Ultimate Handyman hahaha
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You're welcome!
Any tips on undoing a really tight lock screw?
This might help-
th-cam.com/video/_mTFQbaT3Zc/w-d-xo.html&t
Thanks, in the end some WD40 and some heat from a hairdryer did the job 😂
nice
Looks like it left a void behind thumb screw and scratching the crap out of your door?
+Phill Jinks (Raphus)
That's the original one that was in the lock when we bought the house.
I don't have a thumb turn any more in the garage as I replaced it with a high security cylinder.
The people that lived here before used to open the main door for entry, then exit via the thumb turn but as I use it for a workshop there is no need for a thumb turn.
Thanks for the comment
I tried to do it this way looks like there is another thing inside holding because the lock wouldn’t budge how do it get it out?
After removing the screw, have you inserted the key to turn the cam?
That 'can't unlock it if the key's left in' is the biggest pain in the arse of euro cylinders. I've broken a couple of keys like that, it's not something you'd expect to find!
+TheChipmunk2008
Absolutely, it's very annoying. The front door Cylinder was damaged here when someone left the key in the back of the door!
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I've never seen a house that doesn't have a thumb turn from the inside? Maybe I'm thinking of a deadbolt though, all the deadbolts I've seen are thumb turn
+ArcticAstrophysics
I think it depends on the types of doors and the types of locks. They tend to differ from country to country as well.
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Thank you for your nice review. Please could you tell me if the standard thumbturn cylinder in your video is a replacement cylinder or if it could be installed on it's own.
I want to install the standard thumbturn lock on a bedroom door inside my flat to have it locked with key when I'm going out to stop my kid entering my bedroom while I'm out. The first one you held is ideal for me, where it only locks with key from outside position but turns with hand from inside. Thank you
You should be able to fit one, but you’ll need either a Euro deadlock, or a Euro mortice lock for the door.
The Euro deadlocks and mortice locks are designed to be installed into wooden doors, but accept Euro cylinders, example deadlocks here- bit.ly/3r2yhlQ
(This is assuming your door is wood)
@@ultimatehandyman Okay thanks for getting back to me. I'm very grateful.
Hello. can a thumb turn be installed separately? meaning not with a door handle.
You can fit one into a Euro deadlock, examples here-
www.locksonline.co.uk/Euro-Locks-Dead-Euro-Lock.html
@@ultimatehandyman thanks
I just bought same cylinder and changed the lock inside is closing, tested with key outside is locking
But when I closed the door and try to lock it with key key outside want turn to the end so I can't get out the key after locking as is not rotating
Do you know what is the problem?
No, I do not know
Have you tried locking the door, with it in the open position?
I wondering if these would be easier for my nan to use she struggles with a normal key, just means changing the mortice lock to a euro mortice.
+TParker18
Yes, they are much easier to turn than a key.
Yeah thought so I might change hers for these, thanks for the sticker by the way!
+TParker18
You are welcome ;-)
TParker18 I hope you checked the insurance policy before changing them.
Do you feel that these upvc door are secure? They are just plastic cores
+MegaMetinMetin
I always thought they were pretty durable and much more secure than wooden doors but I guess much depends on the make.
I'd get a Rockdoor if I could afford one as they are made in the next town and are supposed to be good.
Thanks for the comment
+MKRM27 just plastic :) it would be good if it had a metal layer inbetween
+Ultimate Handyman they prob are cause they all flexible
Have one of these but the top half of door is double glazed glass .surely a burglar would have easy access by smashing the glass and letting himself in?
If the burglar is going to smash the window, what is to stop him from climbing through!
Smashing a window makes a fair amount of noise.
Hopefully you will have a working burglar alarm!
@@ultimatehandyman True buddy I only got the door yesterday and all sorts of scenarios are going through my mind. . .thankfully I'm a very light sleeper.
Why's the tenant a pain?
Great Demo :)
+Liam
She was ill in hospital (self inflicted). She asked me if I could let her friend into the house to get some clothing for her. I driver there and find the right set of keys, put the front door key in the front door and it won't open! I then think perhaps I have made a mistake and have the old set of keys for the place. I know for certain that I have the correct back door key, so I go around the back and climb over the wall, put the key in the lock and can't get in because the key is in the door. After some messing about she says that perhaps her 13 year old nephew is in the house and has left the keys in both doors, so I then proceed to bang on the doors and windows. After 15 minutes, someone shouts "she is not in", Eventually he comes to the door and opens it when I explain who I am.
Then a few weeks back I get a call at 9pm on a Saturday night. She has gone out the front door, locked it and gone to the shop (probably for some beer) and lost the key to get back in. I drive to the house again and retrieve my keys, only to find that my key won't work in the door again! After checking the street for 30 minutes I go round the back and try the back door- the key has been left in on the inside again. Bedroom window upstairs is open, so I unlock my ladder and put it up to the window, then I realised that perhaps it's not a good idea for a 15 stone bloke to try climbing through the window so the tenant offers to get a 15 year old kid from the street to climb up, but in the meantime the next door neighbour offered and he went up and climbed through the opening in the window, then came down and opened the back door. It then transpired that the key was in the back of the front door and she had not lost it at all!
After all that I thought that thumb turn locks are a damn good idea LOL
+Ultimate Handyman so she's a piss 'ed and was in hospital getting her liver drained then?
+Ultimate Handyman Darn right
+Liam
Yes, something like that ;-)
+brandywell44
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Can euro cylinders have another screw that holds them in place? I can’t remove my cylinder despite following instructions
I've only ever seen them with one retaining screw.
Sometimes the barrel can get pinched by the handles, of the handles are not aligned correctly. It might be worth removing the handles.
Ultimate Handyman tried that also. When I’ve looked inside, there appears to be a bracket surrounding the cylinder with what looks like a screw that would need an Allen key to loosen but I stopped there in case I made a mess of the the door lock altogether
That's strange. I saw a door at a friends house with a oval shaped Euro-cylinder a few months back, there are obviously some locks/doors on the market that I'm not familiar with!
I hope you find a solution ;-)
hi. is there an equivalent of this that fit to wooden doors?
+bidders77
You can get a lock that replaces a standard mortice lock that uses a Euro cylinder, examples here- fave.co/1LZYysw
+Ultimate Handyman thanks
+bidders77
You are welcome ;-)
+Ultimate Handyman did not know that, even more useful...
hope your tenant doesn't see this lol she will be that bit more of a pain in the arse if she does hahaha
+Ben McKenna
I think that would be difficult (for her to be a bigger pain LOL)
***** haha :D
Do you know how easy it is to open a thumb turn euro cylinder? If you think about it the inside is already picked by the thumb turn. Yes it maybe anti snap but that's not the easiest method to open them. Picking is easy by a proficient picker but the cam can be engaged easily by using thick piano wire turned 90 degrees. Better off with a standard euro mate.
Yes, I do know, but when my tenant rings me up at 10pm drunk on a Saturday night to say that she can't get to the door- but has left the keys in the back and front door so I can't get in, you know it's time to fit thumb turns to the front and back doors ;-)
You can't open the lock in the video with piano wire .
@@cardiffpicker1 There is a video on here where a guy uses a Sparrow bypass tool to access the channel in the cam, then opens the lock (without picking the pins to match the shear line). Various locks of unknown spec. Having just played around with a basic thumb turn lock, I now realise that the tip of the key engages with the channel and serves a purpose; it allows the external key to rotate the thumb turn to match the 'locked or unlocked' position. Playing around with a double key cylinder also suggests the tip of the key engages with the channel/cam. So why isn't a double key cylinder susceptible to bypass from the outside?
I Ed to do this because having multiple teens coming and going someone is always getting locked out because of the key being in or it’s just left open 24/7! 😠
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brilliant locking system for anybody with limited mobility in their hands.
have to say this about the internet from another commentor. if i were to ask my mrs to turn the computer on. she'd take all her clothes off and dance evokatively around it.
+TheJeremyevans
Ha Ha, thanks for the comment ;-)
What it you don't have the fucking key
Is this your girlfriend's mother you're talking about?
+David Worsley
No, the girlfriends mother is lovely and barely drinks (unlike one of my tenants LOL)
Oops-sorry!
+David Worsley
No worries ;-)