Fun fact: Clorinde is still not half build 2/5 artis done. Meanwhile full double crit Jinhsi, Encore, Yinlin as Battlepass player. I’ll be done building all my supports before Clorinde is done. Oh and still building Firefly AND no character in ZZZ has even 1 good gold artifact. Yeah, I think I have decided that WuWa wins, even if hunting echos can be tedius.
Yoo same but for me is Arlecchino, I still haven't fully build her yet (BiS) artifact still have a long way to go. My Jinshi and Yinlin is already considered as an absolute unit to demolish most bosses and it didn't take that long compared to Genshin
Its a nice idea that hologram need to reset weekly with an echoe experience mat reward. They can remove the asterite for first reward only. By doing this, players will have enough things to do on monday reset. Unlike now, you dont have things to do except for the weekly boss that still need to consume waveplates.
still same, since echoes are technically infinite (AKA you can bust repeat weekly boss) this would make the tacet fields null, you can also join up with your friends for echo grind (i really want this but i cant see this happening) unlike genshin where trash artifacts are still earned via resin and the free ones on overworld is only daily and too little to be bothered unless you got the time increasing the tacet field rewards, decreasing its waveplate cost, reducing echo exp consumption are the only viable option i can see kuro can tolerate,
I second this, but rather than dissolve it for tubes but into like turning those echoes into like essence, and from there we can synthesize it to turn them into tube. Like we have Common echo essence, Elite echo essence, Overlord echo essence, and Calamity echo essence. That is more balance imo.
At least it is not as bad as Genshin It took me 6 months before I completed the hutao set yet it's still mid. This game had me built 3 characters within a month, I think there's no problem with Tacet Fields, you just need to take it slow since you already mentioned you're a Genshin player then you know how bad Genshin Artifacts system was. Wuwa made it easy access for other characters since you can pretty much use it to your other characters, it requires you to only build 3 characters and Healers/Support are sharing similar build with 20% difference because some uses def, HP or Atk. The set I think will stay for long because what only matters are the echoe ability. I guess it is fine, the game just tells us it is quite early to go end game.
ykw you have a point there XD edit: rn i also still try to build my arlecchino with her curent BiS artifact and gaddem the rng was pretty bad. yah maybe i just spoke too soon about tacet field, but i think i should speak it now just a reminder you know what i mean.. the game is still new and i just can't wait what Dev is cooking with upcoming patch
@@sizzlylzb I understand, I am as well have the issue mainly because of how many characters we have at early phase, and every content are became accessible within 3 days, it driving us like eager to clear contents, unlike Genshin that took us 1-2 months before dropping Gold Artifacts. It's normal to feel that way, and I do think many of us also had this issue so they might literally increase the reward the more the game progress, just right now they kinda balance things out between casual and hardcore like illusive dreams where you can claim reward in one go since it is compressed good for casual/ tacet fields. Hardcore players may just roam around the map opening chest and tidals to get tuners and echoe exp depending on their choice which I can't since I spent 1-2 hours in game.
@@Bee-cd9eh Leveling Artifacts are out of topic. What's good in leveling artifacts if you only get are useless stats. We shouldn't compare it that way because both games literally have no problem in leveling echoe/artifacts. The whole point of this video is about the gearing, how often you will be able to build your character and higher UL (higher than 30 )has nothing to do with the gate keeping you from building your character. But if you were talking about the exp materials, you need to reflect on yourself the game has been 1 and half months, in Genshin you take 2 months to get gold because you need to reach AR45 for that and it's not even guaranteed Gold with good stats, As a Genshin player, why do you want to rush things in Wuwa that is literally 1 month and a half old game?
@@재현7704 im not talking about other things, getting gold artifacts is not a problem even for genshin, once you hit lvl 45 in genshin you always get gold anyway, but the problem is the leveling up material for echoes in wuwa is very scarce compared to genshin, why do you said its out of topic when its actually “THE TOPiC”. They should reduce tacet fields WP cost, allow us to use echoes as fooder up to a certain cap limit/day, or add other sources to farm echoes lvling up material that doesnt consume WP (not the very scarce synthesis ore thingy where you need SIX Freakin’ ore for just ONE LOW LVL EXP echo material),, in genshin you can find random artifacts either green or white by exploring the world (which now are very massives) to get levelling up materials
The problem is the huge time investment in getting the echoes. I am a day1 player and the first 3 weeks I did go ballistic and farmed echoes every day for anything between 2 and 8 hours with multiplayer. At one point, obviously, I told myself to put it down, just doing my stamina spending etc., because I was fed up teleporting over the map beating up the same trash mobs every single day. Well, now I am at the point I still don't have recovered from the echo grind exhaustion. My yellow/purple tubes and tuners are stacking into the heavens, but I can't bring myself pushing myself through the echo grind again. It is so absurdly unrewarding, the gambling is just an UI nightmare and sitting in the databank window for an eternity to salvage echoes because of the trash 2000 echo inventory limit is just well.... exhausting. The core problem is simple: It is way too time consuming for a gacha game to spend hours every day teleporting across the boring map. It's really that simple. It's like being trapped in some groundhog nightmare for no reason. I have to spend stamina to gamble/level the echoes anyway, why make waste hours of my life to even get them? Every other gacha game, the pain of the rolling and rng is at least subsidized by the artifact/relic grind costing no time at all. Heck, they even allow me to postpone the grind for a day and run it all down in 5mins every other day. I think, this has to happen in WuWa too. You can't expect the players to spend so much time grinding echoes every friggin day. It needs to be condensed and consolidated like all the other systems or the way I acquire them in the open world needs to be fully deterministic and with no friggin rng. It's rng on top of rng on top of rng on top of a gigantic waste of time potentially, if rng decides to let your 4 hour grind session go completely unrewarded. It's still a gacha, not an MMO. This is why I don't even think Tacet fields are too expensive, because I can't spend the resources anyway because they are useless without putting ANOTHER boring grind costing me hours upon hours on top.
Yo I feel you echo farming can be a real drag. Hang in there, and hopefully, the system gets some tweaks to make it more enjoyable for all players (which probably never) since most of the gacha game will have the same problems. But yeah, sometimes i just enjoy either getting a good substat or a shit one. Have a good day
I have 6 fully built characters and i dont even feel like ive been grinding… Do you always max level echos? I do 5 lvls by five slowly to show me substats without wasting resources and then i just reuse it for another echo if the substats are bad
@@markedone494 ye ofc I do that, like that is basic. I am UL56, I have gone through endless amounts of echoes trying every method from lvl 5 -> instant trash to lvl 15 -> instant trash. I never gamble to +25 if it isn't double crit already already. And I have "okay" ratios on 2 sets, but that's it. The optimizing is time consuming with the endless supply of echoes you need. And that is my only complaint tbh. With this much rng involved, I don't want to have to farm for hours. I simply burnt out spending multiple hours a day with no improvement at the end. This doesn't happen in other gachas, because you don't have to commit time, just resources.
I'd rather not the game go for strictly time gated grind with 5 minutes of playtime. I do agree though that the rng is horrendous, I'd just like some content I could grind for decent period of time that is rewarding. The rate that Tacet Fields give you Tuners is so small anyway, that you shouldn't have to go that hard on the echo grind for that long unless you're spending money for more tuners.
@@Zer0Perplexity I am sitting on over 1.5k tuners, that piled up and I barely did any tacet fields, since I am still pre farming and lvl 80 ascension mats are alot in general and with UL60 soon that repeats again. the odd usable echo drop from the fields are not enough, you actively have to go out and collect and that sucks at this point. I love the game and I love playing the ACTUAL content, but thinking about farming trash mobs and zapping from wp to wp somehow makes me sick sadly.
I will reply based on the title. "A Massive Issue" is overly exaggerated. Well once you have exhausted echo exp's from explorations, npc's, quest, events, and shops, that's when things slow down and that is given in any game. Acquiring echo xp becomes limited on a daily basis. The amount you get is based on how you would manage your waveplates (and astrites). Depending on your focus leveling echoes can become even slower or faster. But wait, a significant number of players already seem to have endgame stats including f2p's. Oh and there's more, it's pretty much possible to equip echoes to other resonators as long as they share the same elements and builds. Also before I forget, the game is like how old?😂 With that being said no, worries kuro devs will still listen. I have heard there is an event on echo xp coming soon. A not so wise man said: " When you play less and expect more, you know something is not right." Cheers! 😂😊
common misconception genshin artifact system is better than wuwa and genshin boss farming is way easier because u can only spend 40 resin instead of 60 heres the explanation why its not in genshin u need 46 boss mats to max a character and its also same with wuwa in genshin max world level 55 (which u can reach in ur 4-5 months) u can get 2-3 boss mats and some artifacts in wuthering waves ul 60(which u can get in ur first 3-4 months) u can get 4-5 boss mats and some echo exp,resonator exp in genshin 1 resin = 8 mins Minimum attempts to get 46 materials: Total time:16×320minutes=5120minutes maximum attempts to get 46 mats Total time:23×320minutes=7360minutes in wuthering waves 1 waveplate = 6 mins minumum attempts to get 46 materials Total time:10×360minutes=3600minutes maximum attempts to get 46materials Total time:12×360minutes=4320minutes in echo vs artifact its rng but surely echo system way better cuz if u can see most player who play the game have all usable golden echo full set on their dps in their first month while in genshin ppl still have purple artifacts and waiting for ar 45 to farm a gold one which is u can reach in 1 month of playing during launch also the echo stat impact in wuwa is way smaller than genshin since wuthering waves is mostly skill check i stole the boss mat calcs from our discord
this is all wrong though, because you miss a few crucial differences: a) echo substats (currently) are even more important, since the timers in 30/30 ToA are MUCH more strict and require to pull huge numbers ( around double or triple(!!) what you need for hologram VI, which is the hardest). Adding to that, it doesn't matter WHAT the endgame is, same as every other gacha, it's not about beating the content, but optimizing your characters. b) echo farming costs A LOT OF TIME. the rng fiesta is the same bs, it's not easier on the rng AT ALL, but compared to other gachas I have to spend hours every day in the boring open world beating up the equivalent of hilichurls to even get them and that's also gated behind massive rng. And on top of that, that's just the echoes, I have to spend massive amoutns of waveplates(stamina) to get the ACTUAL resources to gamble/level the echoes up. In direct contrast, in genshin I literally just have to spend roughly 5 mins every TWO days (2) thanks to condensing to get my artifact loot. It's an insane amount of time investment in WuWa for no better chances at all.
@@dshearwf its all rng im farming for arlecchino artifacts for 3 months since i only have 85cc and 200cdmg and still cant find that good flower while in wuwa i played for almost 2 months now and i have almost bis jiyan calcharo 67cc 290 cdmg jihnsi 68cc 280cdmg yinlin 56cc and 240 cdmg cuz the game just provided tons of waveplate and we started in low drop rate while im ar60 in genshin for 1-2 years alr u can get a better view if u actually play both
@@lucidare I am playing both, that's where my comment comes from. And you just got lucky. It's rng, but now sit down and compare the time you spent farming those echoes compared to genshin. Don't get me wrong, at some point I was a hater of the genshin/HSR system as well, but funny enough, after going through WuWa's hoops of the echo system, I definitely prefer genshin/hsr way of acquiring equipment FAR more. They just don't cost any time investment and that is at the end of the day the most important factor. You will never "burnout" in those games, because you didn't invest any of your time, but you will burnout in WuWa, because the echo grind costs too much time and is way too boring gameplay wise.
@@dshearwf so u saying less time spent = better? also u seem forgot that we can also just get the echo from tacet field just like genshin artifact system. u can do tacet field only farm and still get better drops than condensed resin(320 mins) artifact in genshin. in genshin u can get 2-4 gold and sometimes u can miss the 50/50 in set u want while in wuwa u can get 4-6 gold ones in 60(360 mins) waveplate farming overworld for echo is just to speed up the farming and u dont have that option in genshin
@@dshearwf jsut compare the progress 1 year after and u will realized we all have double crit echo while in genshin u still farm for artifact cuz genshin new character rarely use older artifact set and u will lose alot of dps if u use older ones
hologram weekly reset is a nice suggestion (although i would prefer every 2 weeks or monthly cause im sure in the future we will have dozens of these and less than 10% of the player base got the time to grind 6 levels of hologram every week when there are over 20 of them a year from now)w
Yup there's more patch to come and probably more new things will come out. We know Kuro is type of company that listen to their community and i have a big hope
I dunno, maybe i'll have Echo issues later but i just got some pretty decent echoes for my main 3 characters & i'm focusing on levels, weapons, & skills. For me, stats that i know will go up if i grind>>>>>>>stats that i have to grind but i have to hope rng favors me for it to be good. I could blow 2 million shell credits & still walk away with dogwater Echo substats if i'm unlucky. I'd rather put 2 million shell credits in areas that will 100% yield growth. When i've maxed all i can, then i will grind to min max Echo substats.
Thats called end game content... Spent some waveplates and upgrade.... U guys wants everything in one go thats is not possible... Ur all problems is discarded and pointless... Have patience everything can be done with that... Not rushing and whwn content ends.. U peoples start cursing game then idiots..
my point there not only mention about endgame, but rather i talk about rewards from daily activity and battlepass as well. sure about end game content, i just want to express my issue on a video thats all. have a good day
i beg to differ, to me what you experiencing is just early game difficulties. in term of building artifact, genshin waaay harder, since you get more random main stat you need on sands, goblet and circlet, and then the substat as well. but yes, genshin artifact enhancing system feels more easier than wuwa. compared to genshin, i took up to 3 months just to build 1 good character with CR CDM on each artifact, but for wuwa? from day 1 til now, i managed to build all my 5* echoes with decent substat! i have 5 * and most ratio is cr 60% and cdm 200% and wuwa have 5 substat which means getting 1 echo with CR and CDM + other like atk% or enerecharge easier than genshin. and remember, wuwa echo set based by element, not like genshin base on the function of the artifact or character's trait. which in this case, like if you build rover spectro, you could use it for jinhsi, but if in genshin, and wuwa only use 3 character. so in the future when u dont really need much character, your waveplates gonna be not as useful as early game. but i agree with you, in terms of drop rate and number. every tacet field reward really makes me feels down with low number of the material.
I get that rolling for stats n building character is way easier than genshin. But I mostly highlight the issue in terms of rewards and lack of resources from Wuwa like tubes, battlepass etc. I hope in the future we will get more sources to collect tubes other than tacet fields
i had like 3 acc but i barely do dailys then upgrade to 70 (most characters havent complete yet) but yes the echoes is a very bad mechanics still, still if the devs are really paying attention then its better to show it to em 1st, i get that you like to do in youtube but dunno
@@sizzlylzb yep but genshin were and still have its flaws lol, at least the devs for wuwa try at least , the problem with genshin is that i wait for 3 years and nothing and when they do, its still have the very same problem with the artifacts so bad that i barely make a good character , i am still giving a try to wuwa because the devs at least seems to care but we will see, for now i am ok with honkai star rail, it was really nice
yeah i agree with you, with recent changes for resin loadout from 160 to 200 that takes 3 years oh lord. Anyway i have a big hope for Kuro since they handle a lot of things quite fast
@@sizzlylzb the thing is that when i use my main , i wasnt pull anything but that red elf really temp me lol, anyways in the end her and her e1 is very strong to be honest and i think even a e0 is ok for my others account, though i am not clear on my alt with the 1st banner guy but the 2 banner (1.1) i had the charater of that and her weapon and it seems to be good for the 1st guy though i havent see him since i was focusing on building the new character and rover, at least its better than genshin, and would be better than honkai but that is a bit hard for now but at least honkai star rail is fast to do dailys, and most things , and that is seems not to be the case with wuwa but we will see i think
yinlin is actually good even with E0. no way you got Jiyan as well.. rn im saving up for Changli and on god her kits looks fun to play with. Dailies in wuwa seems pretty easy to do for me but yeah we just wait for the upcoming patches what devs will bring to the table
Thank you for watching everyone
Fun fact: Clorinde is still not half build 2/5 artis done. Meanwhile full double crit Jinhsi, Encore, Yinlin as Battlepass player. I’ll be done building all my supports before Clorinde is done. Oh and still building Firefly AND no character in ZZZ has even 1 good gold artifact. Yeah, I think I have decided that WuWa wins, even if hunting echos can be tedius.
Yoo same but for me is Arlecchino, I still haven't fully build her yet (BiS) artifact still have a long way to go. My Jinshi and Yinlin is already considered as an absolute unit to demolish most bosses and it didn't take that long compared to Genshin
Its a nice idea that hologram need to reset weekly with an echoe experience mat reward. They can remove the asterite for first reward only. By doing this, players will have enough things to do on monday reset. Unlike now, you dont have things to do except for the weekly boss that still need to consume waveplates.
Right? But for now we gotta do what we can do. Hoping more content coming from Kurol in the upcoming patches
@@sizzlylzb And by the way, I always email wuwa regarding controller support. You couldn't imagine how frustrated Iam writing those rants to them :D
@@clijsters3187 as long as it helps 😉🪬🌴✋👆☝️👍
great vid, post it in the wuwa subreddit to get this more attention
Thanks, will do
Instead of using other echos as exp material. Kuro should allows to disolve echos for tubes.
you know what, that actually a good idea :D
still same, since echoes are technically infinite (AKA you can bust repeat weekly boss) this would make the tacet fields null,
you can also join up with your friends for echo grind (i really want this but i cant see this happening)
unlike genshin where trash artifacts are still earned via resin and the free ones on overworld is only daily and too little to be bothered unless you got the time
increasing the tacet field rewards, decreasing its waveplate cost, reducing echo exp consumption are the only viable option i can see kuro can tolerate,
I second this, but rather than dissolve it for tubes but into like turning those echoes into like essence, and from there we can synthesize it to turn them into tube. Like we have Common echo essence, Elite echo essence, Overlord echo essence, and Calamity echo essence. That is more balance imo.
This idea will destroy the game, grinding will become too easy
@@brenadriek2459 too easy
making it a bit easier is better since as of now its hell, the amout of elite echoes you can grind is so skimp,
there is not much to do now at the end game so this grinding takes a lot of time to keep us busy
I agree the echo exp much more limited than limited character 🤣 and i cant build any characters decent to proceed to other character
At least it is not as bad as Genshin It took me 6 months before I completed the hutao set yet it's still mid. This game had me built 3 characters within a month, I think there's no problem with Tacet Fields, you just need to take it slow since you already mentioned you're a Genshin player then you know how bad Genshin Artifacts system was. Wuwa made it easy access for other characters since you can pretty much use it to your other characters, it requires you to only build 3 characters and Healers/Support are sharing similar build with 20% difference because some uses def, HP or Atk. The set I think will stay for long because what only matters are the echoe ability. I guess it is fine, the game just tells us it is quite early to go end game.
ykw you have a point there XD
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rn i also still try to build my arlecchino with her curent BiS artifact and gaddem the rng was pretty bad. yah maybe i just spoke too soon about tacet field, but i think i should speak it now just a reminder you know what i mean.. the game is still new and i just can't wait what Dev is cooking with upcoming patch
@@sizzlylzb I understand, I am as well have the issue mainly because of how many characters we have at early phase, and every content are became accessible within 3 days, it driving us like eager to clear contents, unlike Genshin that took us 1-2 months before dropping Gold Artifacts. It's normal to feel that way, and I do think many of us also had this issue so they might literally increase the reward the more the game progress, just right now they kinda balance things out between casual and hardcore like illusive dreams where you can claim reward in one go since it is compressed good for casual/ tacet fields. Hardcore players may just roam around the map opening chest and tidals to get tuners and echoe exp depending on their choice which I can't since I spent 1-2 hours in game.
Genshin is faster when levelling artifact, they’re more easy, im a lvl 51 union in wuwa and lvl 60 in genshin, wuwa echo lvl up is crazy hard
@@Bee-cd9eh Leveling Artifacts are out of topic. What's good in leveling artifacts if you only get are useless stats. We shouldn't compare it that way because both games literally have no problem in leveling echoe/artifacts. The whole point of this video is about the gearing, how often you will be able to build your character and higher UL (higher than 30 )has nothing to do with the gate keeping you from building your character. But if you were talking about the exp materials, you need to reflect on yourself the game has been 1 and half months, in Genshin you take 2 months to get gold because you need to reach AR45 for that and it's not even guaranteed Gold with good stats, As a Genshin player, why do you want to rush things in Wuwa that is literally 1 month and a half old game?
@@재현7704 im not talking about other things, getting gold artifacts is not a problem even for genshin, once you hit lvl 45 in genshin you always get gold anyway, but the problem is the leveling up material for echoes in wuwa is very scarce compared to genshin, why do you said its out of topic when its actually “THE TOPiC”. They should reduce tacet fields WP cost, allow us to use echoes as fooder up to a certain cap limit/day, or add other sources to farm echoes lvling up material that doesnt consume WP (not the very scarce synthesis ore thingy where you need SIX Freakin’ ore for just ONE LOW LVL EXP echo material),, in genshin you can find random artifacts either green or white by exploring the world (which now are very massives) to get levelling up materials
The problem is the huge time investment in getting the echoes. I am a day1 player and the first 3 weeks I did go ballistic and farmed echoes every day for anything between 2 and 8 hours with multiplayer. At one point, obviously, I told myself to put it down, just doing my stamina spending etc., because I was fed up teleporting over the map beating up the same trash mobs every single day.
Well, now I am at the point I still don't have recovered from the echo grind exhaustion. My yellow/purple tubes and tuners are stacking into the heavens, but I can't bring myself pushing myself through the echo grind again. It is so absurdly unrewarding, the gambling is just an UI nightmare and sitting in the databank window for an eternity to salvage echoes because of the trash 2000 echo inventory limit is just well.... exhausting.
The core problem is simple: It is way too time consuming for a gacha game to spend hours every day teleporting across the boring map. It's really that simple. It's like being trapped in some groundhog nightmare for no reason. I have to spend stamina to gamble/level the echoes anyway, why make waste hours of my life to even get them?
Every other gacha game, the pain of the rolling and rng is at least subsidized by the artifact/relic grind costing no time at all. Heck, they even allow me to postpone the grind for a day and run it all down in 5mins every other day.
I think, this has to happen in WuWa too. You can't expect the players to spend so much time grinding echoes every friggin day. It needs to be condensed and consolidated like all the other systems or the way I acquire them in the open world needs to be fully deterministic and with no friggin rng. It's rng on top of rng on top of rng on top of a gigantic waste of time potentially, if rng decides to let your 4 hour grind session go completely unrewarded. It's still a gacha, not an MMO. This is why I don't even think Tacet fields are too expensive, because I can't spend the resources anyway because they are useless without putting ANOTHER boring grind costing me hours upon hours on top.
Yo I feel you echo farming can be a real drag. Hang in there, and hopefully, the system gets some tweaks to make it more enjoyable for all players (which probably never) since most of the gacha game will have the same problems. But yeah, sometimes i just enjoy either getting a good substat or a shit one. Have a good day
I have 6 fully built characters and i dont even feel like ive been grinding…
Do you always max level echos? I do 5 lvls by five slowly to show me substats without wasting resources and then i just reuse it for another echo if the substats are bad
@@markedone494 ye ofc I do that, like that is basic. I am UL56, I have gone through endless amounts of echoes trying every method from lvl 5 -> instant trash to lvl 15 -> instant trash. I never gamble to +25 if it isn't double crit already already. And I have "okay" ratios on 2 sets, but that's it. The optimizing is time consuming with the endless supply of echoes you need. And that is my only complaint tbh. With this much rng involved, I don't want to have to farm for hours. I simply burnt out spending multiple hours a day with no improvement at the end. This doesn't happen in other gachas, because you don't have to commit time, just resources.
I'd rather not the game go for strictly time gated grind with 5 minutes of playtime. I do agree though that the rng is horrendous, I'd just like some content I could grind for decent period of time that is rewarding. The rate that Tacet Fields give you Tuners is so small anyway, that you shouldn't have to go that hard on the echo grind for that long unless you're spending money for more tuners.
@@Zer0Perplexity I am sitting on over 1.5k tuners, that piled up and I barely did any tacet fields, since I am still pre farming and lvl 80 ascension mats are alot in general and with UL60 soon that repeats again. the odd usable echo drop from the fields are not enough, you actively have to go out and collect and that sucks at this point. I love the game and I love playing the ACTUAL content, but thinking about farming trash mobs and zapping from wp to wp somehow makes me sick sadly.
I will reply based on the title. "A Massive Issue" is overly exaggerated. Well once you have exhausted echo exp's from explorations, npc's, quest, events, and shops, that's when things slow down and that is given in any game. Acquiring echo xp becomes limited on a daily basis. The amount you get is based on how you would manage your waveplates (and astrites). Depending on your focus leveling echoes can become even slower or faster. But wait, a significant number of players already seem to have endgame stats including f2p's. Oh and there's more, it's pretty much possible to equip echoes to other resonators as long as they share the same elements and builds. Also before I forget, the game is like how old?😂 With that being said no, worries kuro devs will still listen. I have heard there is an event on echo xp coming soon.
A not so wise man said: " When you play less and expect more, you know something is not right."
Cheers! 😂😊
sorry but that load as girl moaning sound effect - why? 🙈
common misconception
genshin artifact system is better than wuwa and genshin boss farming is way easier because u can only spend 40 resin instead of 60
heres the explanation why its not
in genshin u need 46 boss mats to max a character and its also same with wuwa
in genshin max world level 55 (which u can reach in ur 4-5 months) u can get 2-3 boss mats and some artifacts
in wuthering waves ul 60(which u can get in ur first 3-4 months) u can get 4-5 boss mats and some echo exp,resonator exp
in genshin 1 resin = 8 mins
Minimum attempts to get 46 materials:
Total time:16×320minutes=5120minutes
maximum attempts to get 46 mats
Total time:23×320minutes=7360minutes
in wuthering waves 1 waveplate = 6 mins
minumum attempts to get 46 materials
Total time:10×360minutes=3600minutes
maximum attempts to get 46materials
Total time:12×360minutes=4320minutes
in echo vs artifact its rng but surely echo system way better cuz if u can see most player who play the game have all usable golden echo full set on their dps in their first month while in genshin ppl still have purple artifacts and waiting for ar 45 to farm a gold one which is u can reach in 1 month of playing during launch
also the echo stat impact in wuwa is way smaller than genshin since wuthering waves is mostly skill check
i stole the boss mat calcs from our discord
this is all wrong though, because you miss a few crucial differences:
a) echo substats (currently) are even more important, since the timers in 30/30 ToA are MUCH more strict and require to pull huge numbers ( around double or triple(!!) what you need for hologram VI, which is the hardest). Adding to that, it doesn't matter WHAT the endgame is, same as every other gacha, it's not about beating the content, but optimizing your characters.
b) echo farming costs A LOT OF TIME. the rng fiesta is the same bs, it's not easier on the rng AT ALL, but compared to other gachas I have to spend hours every day in the boring open world beating up the equivalent of hilichurls to even get them and that's also gated behind massive rng. And on top of that, that's just the echoes, I have to spend massive amoutns of waveplates(stamina) to get the ACTUAL resources to gamble/level the echoes up.
In direct contrast, in genshin I literally just have to spend roughly 5 mins every TWO days (2) thanks to condensing to get my artifact loot. It's an insane amount of time investment in WuWa for no better chances at all.
@@dshearwf its all rng im farming for arlecchino artifacts for 3 months since i only have 85cc and 200cdmg and still cant find that good flower
while in wuwa i played for almost 2 months now and i have almost bis jiyan calcharo 67cc 290 cdmg jihnsi 68cc 280cdmg yinlin 56cc and 240 cdmg cuz the game just provided tons of waveplate and we started in low drop rate while im ar60 in genshin for 1-2 years alr
u can get a better view if u actually play both
@@lucidare I am playing both, that's where my comment comes from. And you just got lucky. It's rng, but now sit down and compare the time you spent farming those echoes compared to genshin.
Don't get me wrong, at some point I was a hater of the genshin/HSR system as well, but funny enough, after going through WuWa's hoops of the echo system, I definitely prefer genshin/hsr way of acquiring equipment FAR more. They just don't cost any time investment and that is at the end of the day the most important factor. You will never "burnout" in those games, because you didn't invest any of your time, but you will burnout in WuWa, because the echo grind costs too much time and is way too boring gameplay wise.
@@dshearwf so u saying less time spent = better? also u seem forgot that we can also just get the echo from tacet field just like genshin artifact system. u can do tacet field only farm and still get better drops than condensed resin(320 mins) artifact in genshin. in genshin u can get 2-4 gold and sometimes u can miss the 50/50 in set u want while in wuwa u can get 4-6 gold ones in 60(360 mins) waveplate
farming overworld for echo is just to speed up the farming and u dont have that option in genshin
@@dshearwf jsut compare the progress 1 year after and u will realized we all have double crit echo while in genshin u still farm for artifact cuz genshin new character rarely use older artifact set and u will lose alot of dps if u use older ones
At UL59 i havent gotten a single yellow material drop from the forgery. It's so bad.
thats insane, you better report that or something, im ul 53 and have gotten yellow mats from forgery quite a number of times
@@dancingcat4231 I know it's rng but it shouldn't be like this. What's the point of getting high UL to only get dogshit rewards.
@@merlinsama Eh? We're talking about material drop not echo drop LOL
@@supercowgaming i'm high, mb
hologram weekly reset is a nice suggestion (although i would prefer every 2 weeks or monthly cause im sure in the future we will have dozens of these and less than 10% of the player base got the time to grind 6 levels of hologram every week when there are over 20 of them a year from now)w
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Patch 1.1
Patch 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5 - 2.0
May all give solution, maybe...
Just let them know to get more better
Yup there's more patch to come and probably more new things will come out. We know Kuro is type of company that listen to their community and i have a big hope
I dunno, maybe i'll have Echo issues later but i just got some pretty decent echoes for my main 3 characters & i'm focusing on levels, weapons, & skills. For me, stats that i know will go up if i grind>>>>>>>stats that i have to grind but i have to hope rng favors me for it to be good.
I could blow 2 million shell credits & still walk away with dogwater Echo substats if i'm unlucky. I'd rather put 2 million shell credits in areas that will 100% yield growth. When i've maxed all i can, then i will grind to min max Echo substats.
i heard that theres going to be a stamina/ waveplate storage bank soon? is this true?
There will be in 1.2, according to beta leaks.
Thats called end game content... Spent some waveplates and upgrade.... U guys wants everything in one go thats is not possible... Ur all problems is discarded and pointless... Have patience everything can be done with that... Not rushing and whwn content ends.. U peoples start cursing game then idiots..
my point there not only mention about endgame, but rather i talk about rewards from daily activity and battlepass as well. sure about end game content, i just want to express my issue on a video thats all. have a good day
i beg to differ, to me what you experiencing is just early game difficulties.
in term of building artifact, genshin waaay harder, since you get more random main stat you need on sands, goblet and circlet, and then the substat as well. but yes, genshin artifact enhancing system feels more easier than wuwa.
compared to genshin, i took up to 3 months just to build 1 good character with CR CDM on each artifact, but for wuwa? from day 1 til now, i managed to build all my 5* echoes with decent substat! i have 5 * and most ratio is cr 60% and cdm 200%
and wuwa have 5 substat which means getting 1 echo with CR and CDM + other like atk% or enerecharge easier than genshin.
and remember, wuwa echo set based by element, not like genshin base on the function of the artifact or character's trait. which in this case, like if you build rover spectro, you could use it for jinhsi, but if in genshin, and wuwa only use 3 character. so in the future when u dont really need much character, your waveplates gonna be not as useful as early game.
but i agree with you, in terms of drop rate and number. every tacet field reward really makes me feels down with low number of the material.
I get that rolling for stats n building character is way easier than genshin. But I mostly highlight the issue in terms of rewards and lack of resources from Wuwa like tubes, battlepass etc. I hope in the future we will get more sources to collect tubes other than tacet fields
i had like 3 acc but i barely do dailys then upgrade to 70 (most characters havent complete yet) but yes the echoes is a very bad mechanics still, still if the devs are really paying attention then its better to show it to em 1st, i get that you like to do in youtube but dunno
wait 3 acc @@ ?? anyway yeah genshin and Wuwa has it own flaws and good side... have a nice day
@@sizzlylzb yep but genshin were and still have its flaws lol, at least the devs for wuwa try at least , the problem with genshin is that i wait for 3 years and nothing and when they do, its still have the very same problem with the artifacts so bad that i barely make a good character , i am still giving a try to wuwa because the devs at least seems to care but we will see, for now i am ok with honkai star rail, it was really nice
yeah i agree with you, with recent changes for resin loadout from 160 to 200 that takes 3 years oh lord. Anyway i have a big hope for Kuro since they handle a lot of things quite fast
@@sizzlylzb the thing is that when i use my main , i wasnt pull anything but that red elf really temp me lol, anyways in the end her and her e1 is very strong to be honest and i think even a e0 is ok for my others account, though i am not clear on my alt with the 1st banner guy but the 2 banner (1.1) i had the charater of that and her weapon and it seems to be good for the 1st guy though i havent see him since i was focusing on building the new character and rover, at least its better than genshin, and would be better than honkai but that is a bit hard for now but at least honkai star rail is fast to do dailys, and most things , and that is seems not to be the case with wuwa but we will see i think
yinlin is actually good even with E0. no way you got Jiyan as well.. rn im saving up for Changli and on god her kits looks fun to play with. Dailies in wuwa seems pretty easy to do for me but yeah we just wait for the upcoming patches what devs will bring to the table
Perghhh quality malaysian content creator for WuWa Fuiyoo kipidap bro
Thank you for your support bro! Much love
I got millions of Cubes but im so poor on Tubes.. wuwa devs what now? XD
Looks like you gonna hold onto that for a while or do more tacet fields challenge to farm tubes xD
Agree 100%
I am sure you cant hit lvl 80 in genshin 1.0 :P
😂 bruh stop with those anime girl moan sound effects 🫡 my parents were near me 💀...
(I don't use headphones)
Oo sheett mb.. I'll change the censored sound after this 🔥
@@sizzlylzb you could try the puffer fish 🐡 sound effect.
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Idk 😂 I mean it was coughing.