The first time they appear is the last time we see them considering how quickly they are destroyed no matter how powerful, how big or how advanced they are compared to the previous one
@@matthewwilson5019 Ikr! Whenever i saw one of those ships i was like wow, these ships are massive and amazing! But turns out, they are somehow easily destroyed
I love how the size of Executor style SSDs kept changing over the years. A long time ago when dimensions were first published (I'm talking the 90s), the Executor and its kind were roughly 3km long (and ISDs were roughly 1km long, and an Executor was roughly 3 ISDs in length).
No, regardless of the size of an ISD, the Executor SD was obviously much longer than just three times the size of an ISD. Just look at the scenes of both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and you can clearly see it is at least 10 times longer.
Not quite! I was there in the forums, debating and discussing the diameter of the Executor-class SSD. Back in the 2000s. The EU novels all said 8km. Then it was later changed to 12.5km. Then it was finalised to 19km. The debating and acceptance was what we called the good old days. We used to call it the Super Star Destroyer Wars. I admit, I caused the Second SSD War. What? We're fans. It's who we are. We were the "Fleet Junkies" as they called us.
@@valentusdolor3742 Early days of the internet. Before social media turned everyone into hate obsessed, badmouthing, fake hating sheep. We had content disagreements, but always that underlining respect end of the day. The early 2000s was great.
The worst part of how Star Wars has been the writing in the past decade is that when the writers were told to add a “bigger threat " they took it literally , instead of moon sized weapon , now a planet sized , Star destroy let’s just upscale it 3x … then after that 10x . Bigger means better right ?. Well this may not be the worst part of current SW lol but it sure isn’t helping
I like seeing the enormity of the way oversized star destroyers for the eye candy, but I’d love to see a storyline that really goes deep into using their capabilities or intended mission - probably fan film material. The writing has gotten, mmmmm, not great, with too much ‘trying to hard’ to make it DEI-approved, instead of developing characters (and the franchise) over many films. Now the characters, writing, and story lines seem forced, not complex or deep, and merely tick quota boxes. What I don’t understand is how Rogue One was just a phenomenal episode and how the others weren’t or aren’t. To me and my humbleness, Rogue One stands on its own for simply being a superb movie, and as impactful (again, to me) as A New Hope - and in 1977, when I was 7, ANH made an impression. Are the other tries really that bad because of DEI boxing out the creativity of the writers, or is the writing just that bad?
@@Halfscreen although, you forgot about smaller more efficient ships, like Assertor(weapons like Executor, 15000m long), Vengance, and Praetor II(and If we count Xyston, I would include ISD Conqueror)
I appreciate that you included original timeline stuff in this such as the bellator and allegiance classes, and of course the eclipse I won’t lie, I was a tad saddened you didn’t include the ASSERTER class dreadnought
In terms of size, the Supremacy is#1, but ... The Eclipse has way more actual firepower. You actually have to look at the actual Death Stars and Starkiller Base to find things that are more deadly. The Supremacy on the other hand ... kinda sucks as a battleship.
@@Scar-Predator I thought Executor was 12-19 km in length (depending on source material), end Eclipse was the same length but bulkier and deeper. However, in terms of AWESOME, Executor is number #1 - 5 (it's so goddamn cool it IS the top 5 ships).
Such beautiful paper tigers, they look so cool but just get destroyed so easily and apparently most are captained by crazy people who have no idea on how to use them.
Remember encountered Eclipse in Empire at war…. It’s soo big that it’s fill an entire minimap. Only way to fight is Naboo fighters (shit ton) and MC-80 shield spam. Because Eclipse in game can only target 1 ship and MC-80 shield is pretty good. I sacrifice 1 ship in a front and bombarding it side with the rest of the fleet.
The Resurgent class is my favorite, not mentioned in this video and not shown in the last Jedi it had a backup bridge in the event its main bridge was compromised to maintain control.
While not canon. I love the Revenge class heavy carrier from IMPS the Relentless. One or two is ideal for any ISD based fleet as it compliment the usual lack of fighter covers.
They just choose arbitrary numbers. 60,000 crew on a pure warship. You never see more than a dozen officers and fifty stormtroopers at a time. These numbers are just chosen to create a sense of scale.
@@cchavezjr7 I don’t think that really covers it. You see dozens of stormtroopers and the ATATs sure, but that force is several thousand troopers and equipment. We’re still some 60,000 crew short and that’s asking me to believe was need 5000 guys to run a reactor, 10,000 guys to operate the navigation systems. It just doesn’t add up.
You know what, I feel like the ISD doesn’t need to be here, due to my list (in no particular order) Eclipse Sovereign Executor Vengeance Assertor Mandator-III Bellator Praetor-II Allegiance Some of you may have noticed that I don't have the resurgence, supremacy, or xyston. I merely did not want to.
I really wish that Disney would make a movie with the Eclipse or any of the other massive Imperial ships, and stop having the damn rebels find a way to destroy them in the first 30 minutes. They need to remember that there are just as many Star Wars Imperial fans as there are rebel fans.
The Xyston Destroyer is quite horrifying not just cause of the lazer, but one it used it, it drain the ship dry, leaving it dead. That ment what crew was on it where so loyal to the emporer that they would give their lives fully for him, something that his previous armies could never do.
The most horrifying thing about Xyston that it should have never existed in the first place. This is just an Imperial I Star Destroyer model that was scaled up and has a super laser instead of a hanger. The ability to destroy a whole planet using ship of it's size is just ridiculous. Better have Death Star IV instead, which is till pretty silly, but at least somewhat more believable. Hell, even Eclipse class could destroy only small moons despite it being way larger then Xyston.
@@ReasonX3 agreed and the fact that there is a whole fleet of them is just retarded! Like 1 or 2 ships ok. But a whole fleet with of them with no other major capital ships is just weird.
@@ReasonX3 you know what makes it even more stupid and worse, the xyston was being build just after episode 5 and before episode 6, if you had a fleet of ships that could distroy planets why even bother with the second death star
Oh man, the Eclipse is a baddie. I have to ask how many SpaceBucks it ran the Empire or First Order (sorry, Star Wars noob), and what their economy was like that they could afford this hardware? I still think the Executor makes an excellent mount for Darth Vader, but it would be neat if there was a fan film showing the Eclipse taking over or down a star system. The Supremacy is no doubt awesome as a Dreadnought, but seems more like a space station to support an armada of ISDs. I envision it being used to subjugate regions too far out of the way to justify the expense of transporting a Death Star. It’s undeniably expensive, but it seems to me more cost effective and practical than a Death Star. I also don’t view it as more prestigious as an executive ship than the Eclipse or the Executor, but what do I know. It would be interesting to know how many of each type were produced throughout the SW story’s universe, as well as lost. There could be an infinite number of missions to create a script around, in the vein of Rogue One, along with adding ‘Tom Clancy - like’ technical details to the story’s scenes. Oh well, thanks for the trip into imagination-land!
Hold on we should make all of the first order and the galactic empire ships together and I mean all of them even the supremacy and all of the ships in this video
@@Scar-Predator No, it's not, they retconed the size from 7 to 19, trying to make ships bigger for no reason, plus 7-8km long is far easier to explain and develop.
@@LoneTiger Actually, the 12.8 km to 19 km range came from calculations of the onscreen ship in ESB and ROJ. The 7 km was the figure from the tech manual, but in no way matched what was seen on screen, not even remotely close. If you look at the scale between the actual filming models themselves, that is the ISD and Executor models that were filmed together in the same scene, then the Executor would be ~13.5 km long. The 19 km that the newer official guide books and blueprints have settled on can still fit within the uncertainty of measuring using the movie on screen sources only, but at the absolute very max it can be. It's definitely an interesting discussion, but that 13.5 km seems the true intended size as that is literally the size from the models themselves.
the xyston class had the same design as the ISD 1 (except of course the size, the xyston was approximately 1.5 times the size of the original ISDs), not 2, just wanted to clarify that.
i have to say this is all fascinating and clearly ,all of these ships have stories and adventures ,i think we need a movie series where these ships ,the years of the empire are explored around the favourite star wars character ,being darth vader we really need a movie series or tv series from part 3 to part 4 spanning decades of the rise of the empire
Yes, yes, yes! I couldn’t agree more. There are so many stories and historical episodes that are out there, waiting to be put to paper. The franchise might need a change in ownership, and a different dedication to the story.
Would personally rank the eclipse over the supremacy based purely on the superlaser alone, size means nothing when your ship can be erased from the starsystem with one shot.
Building these ships is overkill unless the First Order/Resurgent Empire has an enemy that can counter the firepower that they carry. A rebellion does not warrant this much response especially if the hundreds of ships built can each destroy a planet. The only enemy that could possibly counter the empire in SW Legends is the Yuuzhan Vong. The reason for this excessive firepower is that each Vong ships from their WorldShips down to their coral skippers use Dovin Basals to create micro blackholes that sucks up directed energy into it. In the novels, the only weapon that the Vong feared is a superlaser. Having a large mobile battlefortress like the DeathStar to counter the Vong WorldShips is not a show of force but more of a very large slow moving target for the Vongs. So the only conclusion i can think of is that the Resurgent Empire is what the Imperial Remnant would had been in the SW Legends post some decades after ABY if they regained their industrial shipyard worlds like Kuat, Fondor and Corellia. If the First Order/Resurgent ships were initially built in secret, it's probably because by the time of the rebellion, the Vongs had sent Infiltrators that's impersonating ppl in positions of power. A good example is someone in Kuat's Elites that's later revealed to be a Vong Infiltrator by the time that the Vongs had attacked Coruscant and used their position to sabotage the planet's defenses.
there's one other star destroyer class which was used by the empire, the Titan class star destroyer. it was smaller than the executor, but larger than the allegiance.
Maybe Supremacy is strongest Imperial Destroyer, but best cruiser is Venator. Why? Bcs he looks best, have Jedies which lead him and has experience + absolute loyal and smart Clone Troopers, which are much better then fking useless Storm Troopers. Also he has a best equivement (best types of ATs and fighters). This things do Venators the best cruisers of all time in SW Universe.
I like the supremacy. Because of this versatility you can literally a giant shipyard or the space station and I think it's better than a planet. cuz it can move around That's just me and it has literal cities that falls in Star wars. I would love to ship. I would change the city to actually livable for people to take up that tracker for hyperspect and change it with a gravity well to stop people from going into hypers Psace
To much Tarkin doctrin, bigger = better. A single mega star destroyer (which is more a flying base) cannot project power. For that price, you could have build thousands of heavy cruisers. Cruisers you could amasse to destroy, to dezentralise to control. A compact ship with easy logistics and a balanced approach between firepower, defense and speed wins wars. As such, Victory II Star Destroyer are likely the most powerfull star destroyers.
I'm fairly certain that the Nebula was designed to defeat the Imperial 2 one on one so it really should've been included over the Imperial 2. Bit sadden you included the sequel rubbish in there only the Episode 7 destroyer is any good in my opinion.
a Executor is not that big. that was a dumb retcon. she is 8km and considering her role and complament 8 km fits. how can an Eclipse with has more troops, gravity well generators AND a superlaser 2/3 the power of a Death star only be slightly bigger.
Something isn't really: Bellator with 7.2 km cannot hold only 120 fighters if Resurgent has 2x72= 144 fighters TieFo+ Tie Sf in episodes 7&8/ and- or Tie-whisper or interceptors in episode 9/, and Resurgent has
@@Halfscreen Some sources claimed 400+ fighters for Bellator and it is really option because much smaller Venator in Republic era carried cca 420 fighters+ transport gunships. However Empire variant Venator had smaller pack of fighters but still more than 120 fighters. Six time longer warship hasn't smaller cargo capacity, it is impossible.
Shouldn't the Harrower at least have an honorable mention? It's not the strongest, yes... But it mopped the floor with fleets during the old Republic and had a fighter count higher than an ISD! And it had quad-heavy turbolaser batteries and a much more defended bridge and shield generators than the ISD... It should've made it into the honorable mentions imo
It had heavier weapons. The Executor just had a much greater rate of fire, more weapons, better shields, a larger hangar, and was a newer ship. I likely missed some other facts.
@@90skidcultist Executor wasn't a newer ship, because Assertor was designed after first two Executors(Lusankya, Executor) were put into service, for one Assertor had in his design better anti-fighter weaponry made after Executor's poor bridge and superstructure coverage in that matter, also Assertor superstructure was better designed to fit more weapons in less space, and to better protect Middle section of ship, it was faster than Executor, and If we are talking about rate of fire, Assertor had faster, more efficient systems, hangar was smaller, due to 4000m shorter Hull, but it accomodated 120 starfighters where Executor had 144 of them, so I would consider it a very efficient and well planed hangar, due to size you had lesser number of turbolasers, and shield generator, but it just goes with size. If You are talking about more heavier weaponry, but older ships, you may have had in mind Praetor II or Mandator II
@@andrzejhinc6404 NO. AND WHAT!? Assertor was already out PRIOR to the Battle of Yavin. So, it is in fact an older ship. That`s a fact. Not debatable. The Executor has over FIVE THOUSAND WEPAONS, and you grossly downplayed the hangar space! The weapons are way more than the Assertor. This is a stomp, friend. Assertor is the heavy artillery of the SSD line. You played World of Tanks? What happens when a Super Heavy Tank fights Arty? Also, taking out the bridge isn`t going to kill the Executor. It can still perform, unless you take out the engines and/or backup systems as well. The Assertor also won`t be getting behind an Executor, lol. It is not faster than it. Assertor would be trying to play at its strength. Bombarding it from a distance, otherwise the shorter-range weapons on the Executor would rip the shields apart, even quicker. Then you just target the weapons and engines as it turns around. Executor can also tank it`s heavier weapons longer than the Assertor can deal with a full bombardment from the Executor. I`m pretty sure this would be a quick fight, with a moderately damage Executor winning and able to still fight off the next fleet(supported). What is even the point of an Assertor!?? Executor can do the same damn thing it can do, but better! Plus, it`s a sexier ship...🥰 You are going off old lore, and what it was MEANT to be. Not what it is. Also, the Executor can hold thousands of TIEs, as could the Assertor, but the Executor is a larger ship, more modern, with more space. Most of the TIEs on the Executor are upgraded Interceptors as well. It is the go-to of the SSD line, for a reason. Sovereign and Eclipse are the only ones stronger. Even then, a Sovereign may not be able to one shot an Executor. Legend even TELLS YOU that the Executor is the better ships and is (probably) the strongest SSD to fight, minus the Superlaser SSDs. Assertor was meant to be even more overpowered when it was on the drawing board and before it became cannon. I`m just waiting for you to tell me that it had a super laser, like it was meant to... The Assertor is a heavy weapons platform. The Executor is a jack of all trade ships, with massive hanger space potential, and with a lot more rate of fire. A LOT MORE. It can melt whole fleets, and worlds, by itself. The Assertor can be overwhelmed much easier, if not supported. A decent Rebel fleet can overwhelm it, as heavy Mon Cal battlecruisers just take it for as long as they can. Then they just jump to hyperspace as the others take out its engines. However, Assertor would be one-shotting a lot of heavy frigates and medium type ships. So, there is that. Maybe some older MC 80s. Executor is meant to overwhelm FLEETS and would also quickly kill single targets. It would even beat an Eclipse in a normal one on one fight. No superlaser, but it would be tougher for it to do than it would against the Assertor.
@@90skidcultist chill its only a discussion xD, and yes, I only am referencing the legends material, because I just dont like canon, and furthermore, I don't think it is logical at least in politics or shipbuilding, as legends are. As to your points, first Executor-class (Lusankya) was created around 3BBY(3 years before battle of Yavin) and Assertors were being assembled between 2-0 BBY, after that yes, I said only about the lowest number of fighters required, you are right with that statment that there are thousands of fighters, but I think lovest number can serve to scale, next, yes, Executor had 2000 turbo lasers, and 2000 ion cannons, and Assertor had significantly less, but it was much better located, Executor has a huge weakspot in probbably your most beloved iconic "city" like superstructure on top, because there is almost nothing to defend this ship, and turbolasers are mostly located in the row goig around the whole ship(except the engines of course), Assertor on the other hand has more diverse set of guns, its guns are located evenly at all sides, and its superstructure is crawling with defence weapons, also from financial point Assertor is a better ship, because to fight rebels hutts, Chiss, Kiliks, or Ssi-ruuvi you dont need 19000 m warship, even 15000 is big, but at least more efficient
Still the star destroyers have far to few cannons, why is not this things covered in cannons, flank cannons, rockets etc. the bridge is placed on top of the ship and not deep inside the ship to protect the important system and important people. Massive weapons that are a weakspot insted of its strongest point.
The captain of the Executor Class Superstar Destroyer would have to have his quarters very close to the bridge because think how long it would take to travel from one end of the 11 mile ship to the other. 🤣🤣🤣
I still don't understand. How can the losing sides from Star Wars 6, whose power has been broken, and their remnant generals got beaten again and again by the New Republic can have more resource, more man power, and more sophisticated technology than the winner (New Republic) faction, who have become the de facto power at the time between Star Wars 6 and Star Wars 7? I can't even understand, how the new power (the New Republic) who have recapture their planets, become the dominant power after the death of Emperor Palpatin in Star Wars 6, and beaten several Mighty Empire Remnant Generals after that can't even outmatch the splinter force of the ex-Empire in Star Wars 7? You know, if we use our logic, shouldn't the situation in Star Wars 7 and onward be looks like the Early Republic (prior Empire Era) in Star Wars 1 - 3? Where the ex-Rebel will become the enforcers, have more dominant forces and resources, and better technology than the remnant of Empire who have lost everything after Star Wars 6? But suddenly, the supposedly hidden force (Ex-Empire remnants) can build even a mightier Planet Destroyer that the spec eclipse the Planet Destroyer that built at the highest time of Empire Era (Star Wars 4 to Star Wars 6). Just imagine, at the time between Star Wars 4 - 6, the Empire should have more resource, man power, research, etc, compared to their remnant in Star Wars 7. But their remnant can actually build bigger planet destroyers, Star Destroyers etc. While the New Republic who supposed to have more resource, more man-power, etc still use the old X-Wing and ships from their resistance era. Then how can the New Republic beaten a legendary Empire General from their TV Series (Mandalatorian, etc) that supposed to happen between Star Wars 6 and Star wars 7? It is funny, isn't it?
With good high command officers trusted by a strong eightinled emperor like Reinhard von Lohengramm or his wife Hilda the Empire is invicible ...unfortnaly Palpatine is not this type of ruler
The Xyston class makes no sense, given the two EU ships with firepower strong enough to destroy ships but not to destroy planets are MASSIVE compared to it. Though, that's TLJ writing for you.
The eclipse...the ship we SHOULD have gotten in the rise of Skywalker, that is if the movie was salvageable.
Of course it's salvageable. But the Eclipse is a piece of shit...so while I hate the ships we did get, I'm glad we didn't get that thing.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 At least the Eclipse isn't just a CTRL-C CTRL-V ISD, upsized (without any regard to logic) and with an underslung cock
Agreed that movie was so laughably bad..
Imagine if we got the Legend Byss defense fleet instead of that copy-paste ISD... I meant Xyston class.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 lol if not the Eclispe, then what SSD or large Imp vessel would have been better?
I love the Bellator because it has heavy turbo lasers on top AND bottom, making it seem more like a spaceship and not a floating boat
The first time they appear is the last time we see them considering how quickly they are destroyed no matter how powerful, how big or how advanced they are compared to the previous one
Uh, didn't Executor survive 2 movies? And the Resurgence and ISDs survived both of their respective trilogies.
@@nooneofimportance2110 i agree
always hated how massive ships / weapons were destroyed so easy and cheap by rebels
@@KaiserBruh plot armor am i right? its so stupid
@@matthewwilson5019 Ikr! Whenever i saw one of those ships i was like wow, these ships are massive and amazing! But turns out, they are somehow easily destroyed
I love how the size of Executor style SSDs kept changing over the years.
A long time ago when dimensions were first published (I'm talking the 90s), the Executor and its kind were roughly 3km long (and ISDs were roughly 1km long, and an Executor was roughly 3 ISDs in length).
No, regardless of the size of an ISD, the Executor SD was obviously much longer than just three times the size of an ISD. Just look at the scenes of both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and you can clearly see it is at least 10 times longer.
Not quite!
I was there in the forums, debating and discussing the diameter of the Executor-class SSD. Back in the 2000s. The EU novels all said 8km. Then it was later changed to 12.5km. Then it was finalised to 19km.
The debating and acceptance was what we called the good old days. We used to call it the Super Star Destroyer Wars. I admit, I caused the Second SSD War.
What?
We're fans. It's who we are. We were the "Fleet Junkies" as they called us.
Great lil' story, good on you...sounds like those were the best times to be a SW nerd after all!
@@valentusdolor3742 Early days of the internet. Before social media turned everyone into hate obsessed, badmouthing, fake hating sheep. We had content disagreements, but always that underlining respect end of the day. The early 2000s was great.
Assertor, Vengeance, and Mandator 3 should be considered among the most powerful SD series.
The assertor is a force to reckoned with
mandator 3 is underrated, my fav SSD
5 words: imperium class ultra star destroyer
Whatever it is, Eclipse can destroy any ship with just one shot.
you forgot the Praetor 2, love that ship in Thrawn's Revenge. you can also see it in the Dark Empire comics.
The worst part of how Star Wars has been the writing in the past decade is that when the writers were told to add a “bigger threat " they took it literally , instead of moon sized weapon , now a planet sized , Star destroy let’s just upscale it 3x … then after that 10x . Bigger means better right ?. Well this may not be the worst part of current SW lol but it sure isn’t helping
"the past decade"? that's been a thing in legends longer than most the people still crying about big nasty disney have been alive
I like seeing the enormity of the way oversized star destroyers for the eye candy, but I’d love to see a storyline that really goes deep into using their capabilities or intended mission - probably fan film material.
The writing has gotten, mmmmm, not great, with too much ‘trying to hard’ to make it DEI-approved, instead of developing characters (and the franchise) over many films. Now the characters, writing, and story lines seem forced, not complex or deep, and merely tick quota boxes.
What I don’t understand is how Rogue One was just a phenomenal episode and how the others weren’t or aren’t. To me and my humbleness, Rogue One stands on its own for simply being a superb movie, and as impactful (again, to me) as A New Hope - and in 1977, when I was 7, ANH made an impression.
Are the other tries really that bad because of DEI boxing out the creativity of the writers, or is the writing just that bad?
This is a great vid, thanks for making it. And huge kudos to the model makers, epic detail on those. ✊
the eclipse is my favourite and awesome video!!!
13:47
yeah i am sure the aerodynamics gave it a great advantage
...in space.......
The executor is the coolest bar none.
Back to a nice bit of Star Wars! These destroyers look great, especially showing how absurdly over-sized Snoke's ship is
Yeah. The supremacy is just too big. 😁
@@Halfscreen although, you forgot about smaller more efficient ships, like Assertor(weapons like Executor, 15000m long), Vengance, and Praetor II(and If we count Xyston, I would include ISD Conqueror)
@@andrzejhinc6404 Yeah, I did remember them but should have put them on the list.
@@Halfscreen can you please talk about Borderlands ships
@@maxnewwolf Not sure since I know very little about the Borderland ships.
These are my favorites. Great work!!!
I appreciate that you included original timeline stuff in this such as the bellator and allegiance classes, and of course the eclipse
I won’t lie, I was a tad saddened you didn’t include the ASSERTER class dreadnought
Super informative ty so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Another amazing video
Glad you enjoyed it
32 MILES LONG! Great video, loved it
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good job. Good Explanation.
Thanks and welcome
In terms of size, the Supremacy is#1, but ... The Eclipse has way more actual firepower. You actually have to look at the actual Death Stars and Starkiller Base to find things that are more deadly. The Supremacy on the other hand ... kinda sucks as a battleship.
Actually in terms of size the Executor is #1.
@@Scar-Predator I thought Executor was 12-19 km in length (depending on source material), end Eclipse was the same length but bulkier and deeper.
However, in terms of AWESOME, Executor is number #1 - 5 (it's so goddamn cool it IS the top 5 ships).
@@Scar-Predator it is a little bit longer, but it's wingspan is way shorter then the sepremacy
The supremacy is just stupid
The assertor is cooler than both of those ships
Not gonna lie, the Supremacy has a very cool design
Such beautiful paper tigers, they look so cool but just get destroyed so easily and apparently most are captained by crazy people who have no idea on how to use them.
Remember encountered Eclipse in Empire at war…. It’s soo big that it’s fill an entire minimap. Only way to fight is Naboo fighters (shit ton) and MC-80 shield spam.
Because Eclipse in game can only target 1 ship and MC-80 shield is pretty good. I sacrifice 1 ship in a front and bombarding it side with the rest of the fleet.
Thank you very much for this video.
You are very welcome
Makes no sense how all those Xyston class star destroyers could not take off individually 🤔
IT IS called the Disney move, Change the Plot and Logic of everything how they Just need IT so they need Not Work much
The Resurgent class is my favorite, not mentioned in this video and not shown in the last Jedi it had a backup bridge in the event its main bridge was compromised to maintain control.
LMAO. It's crap compared to the other destroyers
@@Betis91it eliminates most of the weaknesses of the isd2 tho
Underrated stuff man
What an awesome video, thanks for sharing!! 👍👍
Thanks for watching!
You missed the Venator and Secutor classes, respectively the most over- and under- rated cannon Star Destroyers in my opinion.
In terms of Power output and armaments. Both Venator and Secutor SDs were extremely underpowered. They were exceptional in other areas however.
While not canon. I love the Revenge class heavy carrier from IMPS the Relentless. One or two is ideal for any ISD based fleet as it compliment the usual lack of fighter covers.
@@absboodoo Oh yes! I love that ship!
@@richardched6085the Venator was small, but it was actually very power dense for its size, since it was designed purely for the Clone War
They just choose arbitrary numbers. 60,000 crew on a pure warship. You never see more than a dozen officers and fifty stormtroopers at a time. These numbers are just chosen to create a sense of scale.
Well, you do in Empire Strikes Back when you see the landing force and troops that attack the base.
@@cchavezjr7 I don’t think that really covers it. You see dozens of stormtroopers and the ATATs sure, but that force is several thousand troopers and equipment. We’re still some 60,000 crew short and that’s asking me to believe was need 5000 guys to run a reactor, 10,000 guys to operate the navigation systems. It just doesn’t add up.
You know what, I feel like the ISD doesn’t need to be here, due to my list (in no particular order)
Eclipse
Sovereign
Executor
Vengeance
Assertor
Mandator-III
Bellator
Praetor-II
Allegiance
Some of you may have noticed that I don't have the resurgence, supremacy, or xyston. I merely did not want to.
Good because Disney wars is fan fiction.
The Eclipse is one of my favorite ships. I wish it was canon again
I really wish that Disney would make a movie with the Eclipse or any of the other massive Imperial ships, and stop having the damn rebels find a way to destroy them in the first 30 minutes. They need to remember that there are just as many Star Wars Imperial fans as there are rebel fans.
That would be nice but I think Disney doesn't care!
If Disney cared, we already would have got it
@@Halfscreen maybe you should do what disney doesnt want to do
@@matthewwilson5019 I have been thinking about that for a long while.
I am an imperial fan long live the Galactic Empire.
I like the videos alot, but I find myself mimicking you more than paying attention. "Gawactic Weplublic"
It kind of doesn't matter anymore since I used text to speech on all my videos.
The Xyston Destroyer is quite horrifying not just cause of the lazer, but one it used it, it drain the ship dry, leaving it dead. That ment what crew was on it where so loyal to the emporer that they would give their lives fully for him, something that his previous armies could never do.
Not confirmed in the lore. No clue where you go this idea from
The most horrifying thing about Xyston that it should have never existed in the first place. This is just an Imperial I Star Destroyer model that was scaled up and has a super laser instead of a hanger. The ability to destroy a whole planet using ship of it's size is just ridiculous. Better have Death Star IV instead, which is till pretty silly, but at least somewhat more believable. Hell, even Eclipse class could destroy only small moons despite it being way larger then Xyston.
@@ReasonX3 agreed and the fact that there is a whole fleet of them is just retarded! Like 1 or 2 ships ok. But a whole fleet with of them with no other major capital ships is just weird.
@@ReasonX3 you know what makes it even more stupid and worse, the xyston was being build just after episode 5 and before episode 6, if you had a fleet of ships that could distroy planets why even bother with the second death star
Merci, très bonne vidéo.
Merci d'avoir regardé!
9:27 Executor class were nearly invincible, A single A-wing enters the chat...
Belator was such a nice ship. One of my favs.
Oh man, the Eclipse is a baddie. I have to ask how many SpaceBucks it ran the Empire or First Order (sorry, Star Wars noob), and what their economy was like that they could afford this hardware?
I still think the Executor makes an excellent mount for Darth Vader, but it would be neat if there was a fan film showing the Eclipse taking over or down a star system.
The Supremacy is no doubt awesome as a Dreadnought, but seems more like a space station to support an armada of ISDs. I envision it being used to subjugate regions too far out of the way to justify the expense of transporting a Death Star. It’s undeniably expensive, but it seems to me more cost effective and practical than a Death Star. I also don’t view it as more prestigious as an executive ship than the Eclipse or the Executor, but what do I know.
It would be interesting to know how many of each type were produced throughout the SW story’s universe, as well as lost. There could be an infinite number of missions to create a script around, in the vein of Rogue One, along with adding ‘Tom Clancy - like’ technical details to the story’s scenes.
Oh well, thanks for the trip into imagination-land!
Hold on we should make all of the first order and the galactic empire ships together and I mean all of them even the supremacy and all of the ships in this video
Great video.
Interesting. 👍😊
Thanks for the visit
Just think how big the empire’s military had to be to operate all of its ships,and bases, it has to be like 100million
9:20 SSD 7,000 meters.
I am pleased you kept the Sovereign and Eclipse sizes to Dark Empire cannon, but failed on the Executor. 😿
The Executor in the current canon is 19KM long, making it the longest space ship in all of Star Wars.
@@Scar-Predator No, it's not, they retconed the size from 7 to 19, trying to make ships bigger for no reason, plus 7-8km long is far easier to explain and develop.
@@LoneTiger Actually, the 12.8 km to 19 km range came from calculations of the onscreen ship in ESB and ROJ. The 7 km was the figure from the tech manual, but in no way matched what was seen on screen, not even remotely close. If you look at the scale between the actual filming models themselves, that is the ISD and Executor models that were filmed together in the same scene, then the Executor would be ~13.5 km long. The 19 km that the newer official guide books and blueprints have settled on can still fit within the uncertainty of measuring using the movie on screen sources only, but at the absolute very max it can be. It's definitely an interesting discussion, but that 13.5 km seems the true intended size as that is literally the size from the models themselves.
the xyston class had the same design as the ISD 1 (except of course the size, the xyston was approximately 1.5 times the size of the original ISDs), not 2, just wanted to clarify that.
i have to say this is all fascinating and clearly ,all of these ships have stories and adventures ,i think we need a movie series where these ships ,the years of the empire are explored around the favourite star wars character ,being darth vader we really need a movie series or tv series from part 3 to part 4 spanning decades of the rise of the empire
Yes, yes, yes! I couldn’t agree more. There are so many stories and historical episodes that are out there, waiting to be put to paper.
The franchise might need a change in ownership, and a different dedication to the story.
Did you make the 3d model for the eclipse? If not, where can I find it?
Yes, I basically model it myself. It's basically a combination of the Resurgent-class remodel.
Would personally rank the eclipse over the supremacy based purely on the superlaser alone, size means nothing when your ship can be erased from the starsystem with one shot.
I could watch a whole series that takes place on an Eclipse class destroyer. Give me all the gear porn along with it.
Sort of like Red Dwarf, but with Imperials? :P
At some point they just got comically huge
StarWars always makes me think of the giantism (gigantismus) of some popular leader. 🤔
I am missing the Assertor Class Dreadnaught.
The eclipse star destroyer should have had a ship in one of the starwars role playing games
What about the Aggressor Class?
Well done, Thank you very much.
AWESOME!!!!!
Do love this stuff
É ate estranho saber que os rebeldes os venceram.😊
please do a video of deep space nine,the shield hello carrier
the crew numbers for star wars ships always seemed outrageously high for no reason. are they pedaling bikes to power it?
I love how the eclipse could one shot a ship three times it's size, but no, we had to go with a goofy mega-class star destroyer for the movies😂
The first order is not the empire, they had to make their own designs.
But this was because Palpatine Set Up everything as a trap
Interresting
Since we're talking Star wars, what is center point station classified as?
While not as powerful I think the Arquitens class cruiser (light cruiser) is my ideal destroyer
Should've shown the monstrous Assertor too..
where can I get those models?
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Wooow thank you for this ♡___♡
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Thats not a Xyston, this dumb ship was Based on the ISD 1 and not the ISD 2
Well, this is done to save some time with the modeling process. I have a 3D model of the 2 but not the 1.
if there was the fel empire, n3 spot would be the pellaon or the imperius, they were just a buffed up ISD
There was the ECLISE 2 also
Building these ships is overkill unless the First Order/Resurgent Empire has an enemy that can counter the firepower that they carry. A rebellion does not warrant this much response especially if the hundreds of ships built can each destroy a planet. The only enemy that could possibly counter the empire in SW Legends is the Yuuzhan Vong. The reason for this excessive firepower is that each Vong ships from their WorldShips down to their coral skippers use Dovin Basals to create micro blackholes that sucks up directed energy into it. In the novels, the only weapon that the Vong feared is a superlaser. Having a large mobile battlefortress like the DeathStar to counter the Vong WorldShips is not a show of force but more of a very large slow moving target for the Vongs. So the only conclusion i can think of is that the Resurgent Empire is what the Imperial Remnant would had been in the SW Legends post some decades after ABY if they regained their industrial shipyard worlds like Kuat, Fondor and Corellia. If the First Order/Resurgent ships were initially built in secret, it's probably because by the time of the rebellion, the Vongs had sent Infiltrators that's impersonating ppl in positions of power. A good example is someone in Kuat's Elites that's later revealed to be a Vong Infiltrator by the time that the Vongs had attacked Coruscant and used their position to sabotage the planet's defenses.
Xyston is basically a Wal-Mart Eclipse
I would be happy if the aligence class was in the rise of skywalker
Eclipse my beloved
there's one other star destroyer class which was used by the empire, the Titan class star destroyer. it was smaller than the executor, but larger than the allegiance.
Its fanon
Big ship make Big boom
Maybe Supremacy is strongest Imperial Destroyer, but best cruiser is Venator.
Why? Bcs he looks best, have Jedies which lead him and has experience + absolute loyal and smart Clone Troopers, which are much better then fking useless Storm Troopers.
Also he has a best equivement (best types of ATs and fighters).
This things do Venators the best cruisers of all time in SW Universe.
I still think the imperium class ultra star destroyer is the most powerful ship that everyone forgets
You'll forgive me if I skip all of the 'sequel' trilogy nonsense.
The rest are cool!
I like the supremacy. Because of this versatility you can literally a giant shipyard or the space station and I think it's better than a planet. cuz it can move around That's just me and it has literal cities that falls in Star wars. I would love to ship. I would change the city to actually livable for people to take up that tracker for hyperspect and change it with a gravity well to stop people from going into hypers Psace
5:10 TOO ORIGINAL SHIP!!! 😃😃
To much Tarkin doctrin, bigger = better.
A single mega star destroyer (which is more a flying base) cannot project power. For that price, you could have build thousands of heavy cruisers.
Cruisers you could amasse to destroy, to dezentralise to control.
A compact ship with easy logistics and a balanced approach between firepower, defense and speed wins wars.
As such, Victory II Star Destroyer are likely the most powerfull star destroyers.
the tarkin doctrin was to make the empire feel like a force to be reckoned with.
fear is a strong tool that the tarkin doctrin utilized
I´m wondering, where did empire or first order got so much money and resources to build it. It must´ve cost absurd amount of money.
Yeah. I guess the empire has an unlimited amount of money.
Why eclipse look like resurgent
I'm fairly certain that the Nebula was designed to defeat the Imperial 2 one on one so it really should've been included over the Imperial 2. Bit sadden you included the sequel rubbish in there only the Episode 7 destroyer is any good in my opinion.
I believe Venator should make the list. Its much better than Imperial II.
It's inferior in all aspects
a Executor is not that big. that was a dumb retcon. she is 8km and considering her role and complament 8 km fits. how can an Eclipse with has more troops, gravity well generators AND a superlaser 2/3 the power of a Death star only be slightly bigger.
Supremancy No.1 Battleship of Star War
Пусть добро и счастье всегда находит тебя, где бы ты ни был.
Something isn't really: Bellator with 7.2 km cannot hold only 120 fighters if Resurgent has 2x72= 144 fighters TieFo+ Tie Sf in episodes 7&8/ and- or Tie-whisper or interceptors in episode 9/, and Resurgent has
When you really think about it, the size, cargo space and the number tie fighters that can be accommodated to each ship doesn't make any sense.
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Some sources claimed 400+ fighters for Bellator and it is really option because much smaller Venator in Republic era carried cca 420 fighters+ transport gunships. However Empire variant Venator had smaller pack of fighters but still more than 120 fighters. Six time longer warship hasn't smaller cargo capacity, it is impossible.
@@mirkojorgovic It really depends, each website, infographic, book ect may give different technical information.
700 000 crew members to get it running. No wonder they lost that war.😂
Shouldn't the Harrower at least have an honorable mention? It's not the strongest, yes... But it mopped the floor with fleets during the old Republic and had a fighter count higher than an ISD! And it had quad-heavy turbolaser batteries and a much more defended bridge and shield generators than the ISD... It should've made it into the honorable mentions imo
Wait, what about the Assertor? It was way more powerfull than Bellator, and had the same power as executor
It had heavier weapons. The Executor just had a much greater rate of fire, more weapons, better shields, a larger hangar, and was a newer ship. I likely missed some other facts.
@@90skidcultist Executor wasn't a newer ship, because Assertor was designed after first two Executors(Lusankya, Executor) were put into service, for one Assertor had in his design better anti-fighter weaponry made after Executor's poor bridge and superstructure coverage in that matter, also Assertor superstructure was better designed to fit more weapons in less space, and to better protect Middle section of ship, it was faster than Executor, and If we are talking about rate of fire, Assertor had faster, more efficient systems, hangar was smaller, due to 4000m shorter Hull, but it accomodated 120 starfighters where Executor had 144 of them, so I would consider it a very efficient and well planed hangar, due to size you had lesser number of turbolasers, and shield generator, but it just goes with size. If You are talking about more heavier weaponry, but older ships, you may have had in mind Praetor II or Mandator II
@@andrzejhinc6404 NO. AND WHAT!? Assertor was already out PRIOR to the Battle of Yavin. So, it is in fact an older ship. That`s a fact. Not debatable.
The Executor has over FIVE THOUSAND WEPAONS, and you grossly downplayed the hangar space! The weapons are way more than the Assertor. This is a stomp, friend. Assertor is the heavy artillery of the SSD line. You played World of Tanks? What happens when a Super Heavy Tank fights Arty? Also, taking out the bridge isn`t going to kill the Executor. It can still perform, unless you take out the engines and/or backup systems as well. The Assertor also won`t be getting behind an Executor, lol. It is not faster than it. Assertor would be trying to play at its strength. Bombarding it from a distance, otherwise the shorter-range weapons on the Executor would rip the shields apart, even quicker. Then you just target the weapons and engines as it turns around. Executor can also tank it`s heavier weapons longer than the Assertor can deal with a full bombardment from the Executor. I`m pretty sure this would be a quick fight, with a moderately damage Executor winning and able to still fight off the next fleet(supported). What is even the point of an Assertor!?? Executor can do the same damn thing it can do, but better! Plus, it`s a sexier ship...🥰
You are going off old lore, and what it was MEANT to be. Not what it is. Also, the Executor can hold thousands of TIEs, as could the Assertor, but the Executor is a larger ship, more modern, with more space. Most of the TIEs on the Executor are upgraded Interceptors as well. It is the go-to of the SSD line, for a reason. Sovereign and Eclipse are the only ones stronger. Even then, a Sovereign may not be able to one shot an Executor. Legend even TELLS YOU that the Executor is the better ships and is (probably) the strongest SSD to fight, minus the Superlaser SSDs. Assertor was meant to be even more overpowered when it was on the drawing board and before it became cannon. I`m just waiting for you to tell me that it had a super laser, like it was meant to...
The Assertor is a heavy weapons platform. The Executor is a jack of all trade ships, with massive hanger space potential, and with a lot more rate of fire. A LOT MORE. It can melt whole fleets, and worlds, by itself. The Assertor can be overwhelmed much easier, if not supported. A decent Rebel fleet can overwhelm it, as heavy Mon Cal battlecruisers just take it for as long as they can. Then they just jump to hyperspace as the others take out its engines. However, Assertor would be one-shotting a lot of heavy frigates and medium type ships. So, there is that. Maybe some older MC 80s. Executor is meant to overwhelm FLEETS and would also quickly kill single targets. It would even beat an Eclipse in a normal one on one fight. No superlaser, but it would be tougher for it to do than it would against the Assertor.
@@90skidcultist chill its only a discussion xD, and yes, I only am referencing the legends material, because I just dont like canon, and furthermore, I don't think it is logical at least in politics or shipbuilding, as legends are. As to your points, first Executor-class (Lusankya) was created around 3BBY(3 years before battle of Yavin) and Assertors were being assembled between 2-0 BBY, after that yes, I said only about the lowest number of fighters required, you are right with that statment that there are thousands of fighters, but I think lovest number can serve to scale, next, yes, Executor had 2000 turbo lasers, and 2000 ion cannons, and Assertor had significantly less, but it was much better located, Executor has a huge weakspot in probbably your most beloved iconic "city" like superstructure on top, because there is almost nothing to defend this ship, and turbolasers are mostly located in the row goig around the whole ship(except the engines of course), Assertor on the other hand has more diverse set of guns, its guns are located evenly at all sides, and its superstructure is crawling with defence weapons, also from financial point Assertor is a better ship, because to fight rebels hutts, Chiss, Kiliks, or Ssi-ruuvi you dont need 19000 m warship, even 15000 is big, but at least more efficient
@@90skidcultist And to your argument that Executor is having A LOT MORE fire power, I'm not disagreeing, but it does not make it a better ship
Everything after the super star destroyer is fan fiction. So the super star destroyer is the biggest.
Same for me
Still the star destroyers have far to few cannons, why is not this things covered in cannons, flank cannons, rockets etc. the bridge is placed on top of the ship and not deep inside the ship to protect the important system and important people. Massive weapons that are a weakspot insted of its strongest point.
The captain of the Executor Class Superstar Destroyer would have to have his quarters very close to the bridge because think how long it would take to travel from one end of the 11 mile ship to the other. 🤣🤣🤣
I still don't understand. How can the losing sides from Star Wars 6, whose power has been broken, and their remnant generals got beaten again and again by the New Republic can have more resource, more man power, and more sophisticated technology than the winner (New Republic) faction, who have become the de facto power at the time between Star Wars 6 and Star Wars 7?
I can't even understand, how the new power (the New Republic) who have recapture their planets, become the dominant power after the death of Emperor Palpatin in Star Wars 6, and beaten several Mighty Empire Remnant Generals after that can't even outmatch the splinter force of the ex-Empire in Star Wars 7?
You know, if we use our logic, shouldn't the situation in Star Wars 7 and onward be looks like the Early Republic (prior Empire Era) in Star Wars 1 - 3? Where the ex-Rebel will become the enforcers, have more dominant forces and resources, and better technology than the remnant of Empire who have lost everything after Star Wars 6?
But suddenly, the supposedly hidden force (Ex-Empire remnants) can build even a mightier Planet Destroyer that the spec eclipse the Planet Destroyer that built at the highest time of Empire Era (Star Wars 4 to Star Wars 6). Just imagine, at the time between Star Wars 4 - 6, the Empire should have more resource, man power, research, etc, compared to their remnant in Star Wars 7. But their remnant can actually build bigger planet destroyers, Star Destroyers etc. While the New Republic who supposed to have more resource, more man-power, etc still use the old X-Wing and ships from their resistance era.
Then how can the New Republic beaten a legendary Empire General from their TV Series (Mandalatorian, etc) that supposed to happen between Star Wars 6 and Star wars 7?
It is funny, isn't it?
When you start to really analyze the Star Wars genre, much of the resources that goes into the Empire doesn't really make much sense.
how could the empire not beat the Rebels
Exactly! 😁
With good high command officers trusted by a strong eightinled emperor like Reinhard von Lohengramm or his wife Hilda the Empire is invicible ...unfortnaly Palpatine is not this type of ruler
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The Xyston class makes no sense, given the two EU ships with firepower strong enough to destroy ships but not to destroy planets are MASSIVE compared to it. Though, that's TLJ writing for you.
Impressive fire power? Operated by muppets who couldn't hit the side of a barn door from 5 feet.