Please note the Aorus Master heatsinks are connected by a heatpipe, it's a flat pipe on the underside. Sorry for any confusion. Also yes I said Asus Master at one point, Asus, Aorus, same thing.
@@aexandereung5686 Yep you're right, that was a mistake re-creating the block diagram, the correct version can be found in the previous video: th-cam.com/video/gOSFX2tHDcE/w-d-xo.html
Same tbh Though I really want them to test the formula and have them watercool it cause you can watercool the VRMs and I wonder how good that would be against the Extreme
water blocks on the VRM, and still has a fan on the chipset. as cool as the board 'looks', I have some doubts about thermals and noise levels. Besides, isn't the point of doing a costume loop, to get rid of all the screaming banshee fans, lol. I will admit, the EK -Velocity Strike block also looked really good on the boards. www.tweaktown.com/pressrelease/14070/ek-velocity-strike-cpu-block-intel-amd-cpus-right-angle-aesthetics/index.html Note where the pic is cut off, to hide the fan on the chipset, lol.
@@heart4011 buildzoid stated that the vrm doesn't even need a heatsink, much less a waterblock. Even bitwit built a system using the formula and didn't even hook up the loop and had very good vrm temps
@@Vezzoll i'd get whats cheaper. Both are nice boards. The MSI X570 Unify is super good as well, X570 Taichi and X570 Tomahawk. You could even do good with the B550 Aorus Master since it literally borrows the VRM from the Xtreme.
ZeroStressLevel X570 Unify is probably best board in $299-$380 price point right now IMO. It has all the features the X570 ACE does, minus the RGB. Another good one has to be X570 Tomahawk.... But haven’t heard of anyone having it at MSRP. Look for back orders on Newegg.
I' have a x570 aorus master with 3900x and works like a charm!!! Gigabyte is doing a awesome job, releasing updated bios with new agesa (beta also...).
Thanks for uploading this video of the $350 board group. I looked at all of the boards from photos but I was missing actual performance numbers. I always leaned against the aorus master and this video confirmed my choice. I'll be getting it. Much appreciated!
Yeah I ordered the Aorus Master! Can't wait to get it. Awesome results! Thank you :) I'm using the MSI x570 Pro Carbon with my 3900x but I always wanted the master. The master is a work of art in performance.
Great Review Steve and thanks. I own the ASUS crosshair hero VI x370 and the ASUS crosshair hero VII x470. I now own the GIGABYTE Auros Master x570. I wanted to continue with the ASUS boards or even use my X470 Crosshair. But the bios was just a horrible mess. Gigabyte have definitely been on top of their game with the Ryzen 3000 bios support. I'm sure ASUS will catch up .. and ARE (slowly).... But there was stuff so broken it made it hard to use.
Great stuff as always Steve. For those watching this, bare in mind Steve is testing the VRMs in these videos, not the boards as a whole. As he said, this is not a board review so other factors should also be weighed when making a purchasing decision.
I was waiting for your guys to make my decision. That’s how high your opinions matter. Thanks for this absolutely insane level of content. You guys rock!
Thanks for the video, Steve. I feel like there are *never* enough good motherboard videos. Little bit of a rant about AMD's motherboards though: I've got to admit that I'm pretty annoyed with the current AM4 motherboards though - I want to buy a new (semi-)budget board whilst waiting for the X570 Aorus Xtreme Waterforce, but the options really suck lately. B450s are pretty much only worth buying if they're MSI, but if you update the BIOS (something they're now explicitly warning against on their website, unless absolutely necessary), you could end up bricking it (which is fixable, but who the hell wants to sit there doing BIOS Flashback all day hoping the next flash is the one that gets it to boot?) - a problem I had myself. The MSI B450 Max boards are better, but half of them aren't available, and they still potentially have issues with updating the BIOS. ASUS seems to have gone off the deep end with *their* BIOS too, and ASrock are just... a bit underwhelming, frankly (and none of the good Taichis are still available in New Zealand for a reasonable price). X470 stock is almost all dried up over here, and most of them aren't super-great anyway, unless you buy a more expensive one - at which point, you may as well just buy one of the cheaper (but not cheapest) X570s. And then the X570s seem to be overpriced outside of the US for some reason. The rest of the boards are pretty much at price parity worldwide, but outside of the US, they seem to add about NZ$100 or so to the price of the X570s (especially the Aorus Elite and TUF Gaming). Really, if I had a bigger budget for this build, I'd just grab an Aorus Master, but I don't think I can really stretch that far right now. I really think B550s need to hit the market soon, because B450 and X470 boards (i.e. the affordable ones) are very limited now, with some retailers even jacking up the prices on some of these older boards.
what cpu are you planning to buy? If anything i think a cheap budgetbord like the 65 euro ASRock B450M Pro4-F could handle a 3700x just fine for the moment. If you are planning to buy a higher TDP CPU go for the Tomahawk (max) or MSI B450-A PRO (max) you can put a 3900x on them just fine (vrm wise). Watch Pauls Hardware video on updating bioses, most of the issues are in between the chair and the screen... x570 is overpriced because they feature (imo) overpriced features which are unnecessery like the noisy chipset that enables PCI-e 4.0, Front panel USB 3.2 type C connectors. The CPU itself comes with the x570 IO die in the socket, so for me personally that gives me all the features i really care about and need (Presision Boost 2, better support for faster Ram). The audio chipset might be a thing (ALC 1200) but there are montherboard manufacturers in the b450 lineup (asrock steellegend) that give simular quality on the cheaper ALC 892 chip. If anything look at this list (and filter to your hearts content) what board might be good for you, its an amazing tool in trying to figure out what you need and what your budget is. But for gaming i would much rather have a b450 now, with a 100 euro extra budget for my GPU than a x570 board. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504
I brought 2 Gigabyte Aorus Pro boards, and in one of them the hole in the upper corner of the board was totally mis aligned from the case. The second one fits right, so the board revisions 1.0 (here in Brazil) are totally crap. I returned the board to seller, and doing a lot of research I ended up with MSI MEG X570 Ace. With a premium build construction, and 3 year warrant (against 1 of the rest of them) was the decision maker.
I still feel like a lot of these motherboards are highly overpriced but companies aren't really here to please us, are they? Great review as always, good addition to all the buildzoid's video :)
Hi - Great comparison. As a matter of interest, did the active cooling for the MSI board kick in? Interested to know if it makes any real difference overall and if the changing the fan curve from the chipset makes any real difference apart from the noise level.
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I was a noob on CPU specs and I've spent an entire week during this quarantine period deciding if it was going to be Intel or AMD. After finally going for AMD, choosing a motherboard has been the new search. You've helped me weed out many board now, and for that, I thank you!
Oh yes. That was a different time. Here is a link to some pictures of what the Gigabyte GA-P35T-DS4 Rev:1.0 looked like: product.pconline.com.cn/pdlib/189967_bigpicture963105.html This wasn't really a high end card, more like upper mid range, but just look at those heatsinks and heatpipes. The towering heatsink between the CPU and the first PCI-E slot turned out to be just a bit oversized and with the next revision of the card it was replaced with a lower profile solution, but it was still a good sized stack of copper plates bonded to the heatpipes. The thing is the heatsinks was designed for function not style. Just look at the heatsinks on the X570 chipset on the motherboards in this video. Most if not all of them have very restrictive fan grills, making the fans inefficient so they has to work harder than necessary when they are needed. To the best of my knowledge these motherboards will stop the chipset fan when it's not needed, and that's a good thing. But if they are needed they shouldn't have to fight the fan grill for air. That's just bad design, and is only done because they are more interested in making the heatsink look good than in making it perform well.
@@jestemofafmusic6675 Looking to get a new motherboard for the 3900x build i am about to do. I would not choose asus, i have it now and even though it is pretty ok, i am massively disapointed that they did not release a bios update for the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities. So saying that Asus has better bios, is a stretch, they will atleast abandon users that has motherboards with serious security vulnerabilities instead of making updates available. I am steering clear of asus for this very reason.
Hey Steve, thanks for this tremendous amount of valuable data and hard work, if you can next throw in there the only X570 500$ board in there, the Msi Prestige Creation with your next 250$ boards that would be appreciated, thanks.
Nice that I have Aorus Master. It's the coolest (temperature) between them all in this video! But I do also have MSI Gaming Edge. The hottest one for X570.. I'm just average now I guess.
@@razoo911 Yep. I don't manually overclock, I use 3600 as cpu and 3200Mhz tridentZ and there's no problem at all. I'm using Tecware VXR case, and only have 3 exhaust fans just to the right of the motherboard. Clearly the airflow is not direct, but the temperature is well within what you would comfortably use it.
There are certain bios setting that i know are on asus's crosshair boards that will stress the vrms even more for oc performance increases. Id like to see how each of these boards perform when vrm performance is maxed out manually via the boards bios.
To me the most interesting X570 board is probably the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi. It is advertised as having an 8 phase VRM and is a Mini-ITX form factor which seems great for a small fully featured gaming machine with PCIE 4 support for upcoming graphics cards. Sure, today's GPU's don't really stress out PCIE 3 but the next generation will hit at some point. At £226 it is not the cheapest X570 board but looks like it could be a good balance between cost, reliable VRM's and features that probably will not get used in most cases.
How is it holding up, do you recommend this motherboard or no. I have decided to build a pc recently but I cant decide between it and the Crosshair viii hero which one do you recommend???
@@lifemocker85 I'm thinking about asrock x470 taichi, gigabite x570 aorus elite or asus x570 tuf gaming. All of these have similar VRM but i'm not sure which one have the best
I think It was 2013 when I bought my i5 4670k on MSI Z87 board. Served me well. Finally I decided to upgrade. Went with the 3700k and Aorus elite with 16GB 3200 CL14 memory. Still waiting for the parts to come. I hope they keep me upgrading for at least another 5 years :D
The Motherboard Proctologist #3 - This time it's not Fatal, 😁 G'day Steve, thanks for all the X570 Quality testing, I can't afford one of these Motherboards but I find the content really Interesting, Maybe one day I can get a 2nd hand set-up & I'll know where to watch the comparisons again to refresh my memory 🙄
Be very wary of the Aorus Master. Just google 'aorus master cmos battery issue' its a known issue that causes the pc to randomly have no power when turned on . ive had it happen twice in one day and then its been ok for a couple of months before happening again. Ive had mine 10 months and its been approx. 8 times that I've had to remove my gpu to then remove the cmos battery and leave it for 15 minutes before putting it all back together for it to be able to power up. Would be kind of bearable if i didn't have to remove the GPU every time it happens.
If you are adding more in the $250 range, I would love to see the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. I have the x370 model and I am considering upgrading to the x570 one when i upgrade to probably either a 3900x or 3950x, for no intelligent reason
Awesome... hardware ;) and content! Still undecided if I should get a x470 Crosshair VII Hero... or x570 Aorus Master / Crosshair VIII Hero for a 3700X
Steve, what CPU cooler are you using? And what cpu temperatures do you get with 1.4V 4.3GHz? I have tried a Corsair H115i Pro (pump at 2800RPM and 2500RPM 120mm fans) but my 3900x is getting 105C within 15minutes, which was much higher than the VRM at 62C (HWInfo64 software readings). BTW my cpu could not cope at 4.3GHz so I had to step down to 4.2GHz but power consumption was just as high (205-215W in HWInfo64 running Prime95 v26.6 12K FFTs).
Crosshair VII is only really a good option if you can get it at a good price or if there are specific features you want (that mid-range X570s don't have); POST LEDs, more IO , clear CMOS button, LN2 features etc. Crosshair VIII VRM is significantly more powerful than VII, and likely cooler as a result, but VII should still be perfectly capable of running 3900X or 3950X with ease.
@@TADP0LE9806 i realize it was good option day after announcement of x570, best buy was selling them for $200.....i am just wondering about vrm thermals
This video helped clear a lot of confusion, thanks a lot. On other note, do you think I should get a 3950x (whenever its out) or wait for to see what Intel has to offer this time around?
What is your usage model? Games? Work, and if so what kind of work? Video? Streaming? And what's your budget? For games Intel still is the king if you have the money for it, and I highly doubt the 3950X will change that. Same with some software such as PhotoShop (AFAIK at least), and not to forget MS Office and MS Paint (yea, I know it's a bit salty). They also have an advantage in video encoding as long as the encoder can use Intel Quick Sync as that works much better than anything AMD has to offer. But for anything heavily multithreaded AMD has the edge for now. At the moment we know very little of what Intel might be working on in their deepest dungeons, and as the 3950X isn't available I'd say you have a while yet to ponder this move. But in general I'd say go for what you need that's available. There is always something new and shiny "out real soon now!"
Thanks for your reply. I know what Intel and AMD offer in Regards to the use case. However, considering recent rummers that Intel will up their core count for the higher end models, it might be worth the wait and see how they compare with AMD offerings. I'm looking for a CPU for both gaming and streaming, so not just core count is important but also speed. Hopefully a good fit will pop on the market soon
If you are seriously waiting for the 3950 then you still have some time to keep your eyes at what info might make its way out of the Intel camp. At the moment it looks like it's at least 20 days left. And with any luck we will know more when the 3950 finally drops.
Do you think Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME EATX AM4 Motherboard 700$--1200$ is worth the money and the long-term investment (hype)?
using AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor and upcoming 4-gen ryzen cpu, and 4-gen gpu's that are coming this year with none or little overclocking. Also what max settings can be achived on my Monitor Samsung Syncmaster 2233 21.5" ?
Wounding if ya'll are getting better performance with pbo+auto oc enabled on x570 compared to x370? I'm not seeing a single or all core boost difference on an Asus C6H with them enabled.
Dude where did you get one? Asus Crosshair has always been $350+ in my country since it was first introduced. Other parts are not expensive but I've always thought Asus Crosshair was like the luxury segment.
GN showed that every 4-5 degrees C is a step in performance for the 3900x. So I do think if you are spending 500 on your CPU it’s worth investing in the Mb to help it.
Would be awesome to see chipset and m.2 temperature tests (with a default heat sinks). Also some people reported chipset overheating with open-air GPU blowing air directly into chipset fan causing system shut down. Can this be tested too?
Thanks for all this hard work. I hope the return on investment is more Patreons. I too would have a hard choice between the Gigabyte and Asus. The fins on Gigabyte vs. The Bios of Asus. Oh the dilemma. I am still rocking a Crosshair Hero VI with my 3600X and 2700X. Maybe next year when the price drops a hundred or so bucks. For now I am saving for a $400-$500 or so gpu this fall if and when the 5800XT comes out.
I'm wondering how much of the PCB thermal difference could be helped by installing some thermal pads/foams on the backside to contact either the backplate or your case itself, to conduct heat away from the PCB. Also could you please test if the various heatpipes to the chipsets are doing any work?
What memory do you used to run the tests? I was checking the Motherboards websites and MSI have more compatibility with ram memories than the aorus and asus... So I am confused what is better
I'm a big fan of the Aorus products for purely aesthetic reasons, nice to know they offer good products too haha.Also those slides that Asus released about mobos a little while back really turned me off of wanting to buy anything from them.
Not sure if your tests were the same but I have seen many where the new X570 Asus boards do not report temps properly through the on board software and report much lower than actual temps. Most of the time they are running about 8 degrees Celsius hotter than what is reported by the software. Still nice boards but really should be looked at as they usually run hotter than comparable MSI boards. Gigabyte still takes the thermal win though.
One point worth mention: MSI X570 board's chipset position is a lot lower than the other two, thus avoid the VGA card to almost block the fan intake like other boards. I have Asus Crosshair VIII Hero, and my VGA card in PCIe slot 1 completely blocks the fan hole, result in increased chipset temp. I had to move the card to 2nd PCIe slot :( (don't want to use riser) Now my case is not very nice looking :'(
What I have learned from all this is that the Asus Prime X570-P is probably the sweet spot for a good performing board without completely breaking the bank.
I know I am late to the party but Ive heard the RGB Software on the Aorus Master is hot trash compared to the Asus CH8 Hero. Would this make a difference during purchase or is Gigabyte still the go-to with their support n updates?
Thanks for this comparison. I bought the ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wifi) is good to know that I bought a good motherboard. I can't wait to use it and my 3700x, but new egg and UPS are having some kind of pissing match. So some day I'll get my package too bad it's one city over and I can't have it, even though I payed full price.
The Hero has better I/O, better bios settings and looks a lot better. The ONLY wins on the Master's side, is having a little bit better heat-sinks and three m.2 drives. But I have excellent cooling in my case, and I've run two m.2 drives for years and NEVER needed more. So I'm going with the Hero.
hoping yall do a test with the formula getting it water cooled. I really want to know if watercooling would be much better on the VRMs compared to the Extreme at the same price
The “ASUS Master” @7:26 lol. Steve has been stuck in that benchmark dungeon for too long he mixing brands. Imagine Aorus hardware with Asus bios, damn that’s a wet dream.
I have the MSI Gaming Edge WiFi and have experienced no problem whatsoever. Have overlocked about everything and I experience 70 degrees under load without OC and about 80-85 degrees under load with OC.
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Please note the Aorus Master heatsinks are connected by a heatpipe, it's a flat pipe on the underside. Sorry for any confusion. Also yes I said Asus Master at one point, Asus, Aorus, same thing.
Asus Master. The crossover that gets it right(er)?
the Crosshair's VRM setup isnt an 8 phase Vcore, it's a 7 phase. The SOC is also controlled by the same IR35201
Lmaoo
@@aexandereung5686 Yep you're right, that was a mistake re-creating the block diagram, the correct version can be found in the previous video: th-cam.com/video/gOSFX2tHDcE/w-d-xo.html
@@Hardwareunboxed Doesn't ASUS own a majority stake in Gigabyte?
I love the "performance first" approach from Steve
I really think it represents the community's thoughts very well
finally. good testing, glad about the purchase i made with the Aorus Master.
Crosshair VIII Hero was my favorite board since i saw it. and i knew it gonna be a damn good board.
Same tbh
Though I really want them to test the formula and have them watercool it cause you can watercool the VRMs and I wonder how good that would be against the Extreme
water blocks on the VRM, and still has a fan on the chipset. as cool as the board 'looks', I have some doubts about thermals and noise levels. Besides, isn't the point of doing a costume loop, to get rid of all the screaming banshee fans, lol.
I will admit, the EK -Velocity Strike block also looked really good on the boards.
www.tweaktown.com/pressrelease/14070/ek-velocity-strike-cpu-block-intel-amd-cpus-right-angle-aesthetics/index.html
Note where the pic is cut off, to hide the fan on the chipset, lol.
@@heart4011 buildzoid stated that the vrm doesn't even need a heatsink, much less a waterblock. Even bitwit built a system using the formula and didn't even hook up the loop and had very good vrm temps
@@heart4011 it will have the coldest vrm.
X570 Aorus Master is just a beast. I love it so much.
i'm using aorus master and im happy with my purchase. ironically none wifi hero cost more than aorus master.
nice
the Aorus Master heatsinks is 1 reason why i bought that board
I don't think I've seen my VRM temps go higher than 40 degrees. Even on prime95 small fft lol
ZeroStressLevel Would you say the master is better than the hero? I can’t decide between both of them
@@Vezzoll i'd get whats cheaper. Both are nice boards. The MSI X570 Unify is super good as well, X570 Taichi and X570 Tomahawk. You could even do good with the B550 Aorus Master since it literally borrows the VRM from the Xtreme.
ZeroStressLevel X570 Unify is probably best board in $299-$380 price point right now IMO. It has all the features the X570 ACE does, minus the RGB. Another good one has to be X570 Tomahawk.... But haven’t heard of anyone having it at MSRP. Look for back orders on Newegg.
Correction: I believe the VRM heatsinks on the Unify are an improvement over the ACE and the post code is in a better location.
Damn Buildzoid must be proud to see this
I' have a x570 aorus master with 3900x and works like a charm!!! Gigabyte is doing a awesome job, releasing updated bios with new agesa (beta also...).
Thanks for uploading this video of the $350 board group. I looked at all of the boards from photos but I was missing actual performance numbers.
I always leaned against the aorus master and this video confirmed my choice. I'll be getting it.
Much appreciated!
How's that board working out for you ? I cannot figure out how to bypass the power button on the motherboard.
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orderd it yesterday, after 2 weeks of add
emoved many x570 boards, glad to hear it now.
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Yeah I ordered the Aorus Master! Can't wait to get it. Awesome results! Thank you :) I'm using the MSI x570 Pro Carbon with my 3900x but I always wanted the master. The master is a work of art in performance.
Congratulations !
You'll be really impressed, it's heavy. I think I weighed it at around 1.5kg!
Such a great review! This helps so much on deciding what's best for my everyday work loads. Thanks.
Love what you guys do, you helped me purchase my board this month for my build. Cheers!
Great Review Steve and thanks. I own the ASUS crosshair hero VI x370 and the ASUS crosshair hero VII x470. I now own the GIGABYTE Auros Master x570. I wanted to continue with the ASUS boards or even use my X470 Crosshair. But the bios was just a horrible mess. Gigabyte have definitely been on top of their game with the Ryzen 3000 bios support. I'm sure ASUS will catch up .. and ARE (slowly).... But there was stuff so broken it made it hard to use.
As long as you manually change the VCORE SOC to
With the prices so high, I think I'll wait for B550... or just stick with my B350.
no gain with x570 anyway.im using a b450 with 3600 cpu,runs great.
@@jasonschofield37 I'm still on a B350 microATX with a Ryzen 5 1400 and it's really not worth it to upgrade yet for me. CPU first, then the mobo.
Stick with the B350. It'll handle the new Zen 2 CPU's just fine. Even the 3900X probably wouldn't be an issue.
@@skoopsro7656 not quite. It will probably lack same features like PCI express 4.0 .
@@skoopsro7656 what makes b450 different than a b350 refresh? It probably would have ssd support but not PCIe support for Gen4. You may be right.
I've got a 570 master
I dont think my VRM temp ever exceeds 45 to 50c under the most demanding loads. That's on 3900x.
well inside case with proper airflow vrm temp is much lower
Great stuff as always Steve.
For those watching this, bare in mind Steve is testing the VRMs in these videos, not the boards as a whole. As he said, this is not a board review so other factors should also be weighed when making a purchasing decision.
Please make the same test with some x470 boards so we could see how the older high end vrms compare to the new ones. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for this! Waiting on the M-ITX X570 video before I upgrade. Will donate to the channel as a thank you for the great content then
I was waiting for your guys to make my decision. That’s how high your opinions matter. Thanks for this absolutely insane level of content. You guys rock!
Thanks for the video, Steve. I feel like there are *never* enough good motherboard videos.
Little bit of a rant about AMD's motherboards though:
I've got to admit that I'm pretty annoyed with the current AM4 motherboards though - I want to buy a new (semi-)budget board whilst waiting for the X570 Aorus Xtreme Waterforce, but the options really suck lately.
B450s are pretty much only worth buying if they're MSI, but if you update the BIOS (something they're now explicitly warning against on their website, unless absolutely necessary), you could end up bricking it (which is fixable, but who the hell wants to sit there doing BIOS Flashback all day hoping the next flash is the one that gets it to boot?) - a problem I had myself.
The MSI B450 Max boards are better, but half of them aren't available, and they still potentially have issues with updating the BIOS.
ASUS seems to have gone off the deep end with *their* BIOS too, and ASrock are just... a bit underwhelming, frankly (and none of the good Taichis are still available in New Zealand for a reasonable price).
X470 stock is almost all dried up over here, and most of them aren't super-great anyway, unless you buy a more expensive one - at which point, you may as well just buy one of the cheaper (but not cheapest) X570s.
And then the X570s seem to be overpriced outside of the US for some reason. The rest of the boards are pretty much at price parity worldwide, but outside of the US, they seem to add about NZ$100 or so to the price of the X570s (especially the Aorus Elite and TUF Gaming).
Really, if I had a bigger budget for this build, I'd just grab an Aorus Master, but I don't think I can really stretch that far right now. I really think B550s need to hit the market soon, because B450 and X470 boards (i.e. the affordable ones) are very limited now, with some retailers even jacking up the prices on some of these older boards.
what cpu are you planning to buy? If anything i think a cheap budgetbord like the 65 euro ASRock B450M Pro4-F could handle a 3700x just fine for the moment. If you are planning to buy a higher TDP CPU go for the Tomahawk (max) or MSI B450-A PRO (max) you can put a 3900x on them just fine (vrm wise). Watch Pauls Hardware video on updating bioses, most of the issues are in between the chair and the screen... x570 is overpriced because they feature (imo) overpriced features which are unnecessery like the noisy chipset that enables PCI-e 4.0, Front panel USB 3.2 type C connectors. The CPU itself comes with the x570 IO die in the socket, so for me personally that gives me all the features i really care about and need (Presision Boost 2, better support for faster Ram). The audio chipset might be a thing (ALC 1200) but there are montherboard manufacturers in the b450 lineup (asrock steellegend) that give simular quality on the cheaper ALC 892 chip.
If anything look at this list (and filter to your hearts content) what board might be good for you, its an amazing tool in trying to figure out what you need and what your budget is. But for gaming i would much rather have a b450 now, with a 100 euro extra budget for my GPU than a x570 board. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit#gid=2112472504
The MAX ones are coming real soon though. I'd say go with B450 Tomahawk MAX.
Haven't yet read anything about Aorus X570 Xtreme Waterforce? Was that a guess or is it really arriving, and when?
I brought 2 Gigabyte Aorus Pro boards, and in one of them the hole in the upper corner of the board was totally mis aligned from the case. The second one fits right, so the board revisions 1.0 (here in Brazil) are totally crap. I returned the board to seller, and doing a lot of research I ended up with MSI MEG X570 Ace. With a premium build construction, and 3 year warrant (against 1 of the rest of them) was the decision maker.
My MSI MEG ACE is really nice & not THAT expensive for a quality X570 motherboard!
this is the most productive channel I have ever seen
I still feel like a lot of these motherboards are highly overpriced but companies aren't really here to please us, are they?
Great review as always, good addition to all the buildzoid's video :)
Hi - Great comparison. As a matter of interest, did the active cooling for the MSI board kick in? Interested to know if it makes any real difference overall and if the changing the fan curve from the chipset makes any real difference apart from the noise level.
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I was a noob on CPU specs and I've spent an entire week during this quarantine period deciding if it was going to be Intel or AMD. After finally going for AMD, choosing a motherboard has been the new search. You've helped me weed out many board now, and for that, I thank you!
what did you get
I am so glad that I brought the asus crosshair hero VII. :)
Haha fuk me too amd board are expensive much safer what u pay for , how about the idle temp and gaming?
MORE REAL HEATSINKS TO THE PEOPLE!
I really miss the old days when the boards had real copper heatsinks.
Oh yes. That was a different time. Here is a link to some pictures of what the Gigabyte GA-P35T-DS4 Rev:1.0 looked like: product.pconline.com.cn/pdlib/189967_bigpicture963105.html
This wasn't really a high end card, more like upper mid range, but just look at those heatsinks and heatpipes. The towering heatsink between the CPU and the first PCI-E slot turned out to be just a bit oversized and with the next revision of the card it was replaced with a lower profile solution, but it was still a good sized stack of copper plates bonded to the heatpipes.
The thing is the heatsinks was designed for function not style. Just look at the heatsinks on the X570 chipset on the motherboards in this video. Most if not all of them have very restrictive fan grills, making the fans inefficient so they has to work harder than necessary when they are needed. To the best of my knowledge these motherboards will stop the chipset fan when it's not needed, and that's a good thing. But if they are needed they shouldn't have to fight the fan grill for air. That's just bad design, and is only done because they are more interested in making the heatsink look good than in making it perform well.
In Hong Kong, Aorus Master is the cheaper than MSI and Asus about $40 usd
What a wonderful board with nice price setting
If I need a x570 motherboard, I'll still go for the crosshair viii hero(wifi)/formula, since is only $100 usd price difference between those two in HK
This is exactly what I wanted to know...huge thanks for all you're hard work
helped a lot mate. Thanks. keep up the good work!
Going to buy X570 Aorus Master tomorrow so your video is right on time. Now let's see them aliens...emm i mean results.
07:26
ASUS Master :D
how about Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra vs asrock taichi,thanks so much
I think the VRM design on the Asus Strix-E is the same as the Hero, but in the UK it's considerably cheaper (about 25%)
There about 180-190 tf ?
Would like to see the X3950 tested with Aorus Master
asus better. aorus sucks
I had to choose my motherboard wisely because I have the Aorus x570 Aorus MASTER. I paid € 419.99 on Amazon France...
bad choose,
asus crosahair viii have better:
bios,
quality,
durability
aorus sucks
@@jestemofafmusic6675 Looking to get a new motherboard for the 3900x build i am about to do.
I would not choose asus, i have it now and even though it is pretty ok, i am massively disapointed that they did not release a bios update for the meltdown and spectre vulnerabilities.
So saying that Asus has better bios, is a stretch, they will atleast abandon users that has motherboards with serious security vulnerabilities instead of making updates available.
I am steering clear of asus for this very reason.
I dont get why the gigabit boards dont support usb 3.2? Does it matter though ?
Great vid steve, any chance of getting your hands on that asrock micro-atx and the mini itx boards
Hey Steve, thanks for this tremendous amount of valuable data and hard work, if you can next throw in there the only X570 500$ board in there, the Msi Prestige Creation with your next 250$ boards that would be appreciated, thanks.
Nice that I have Aorus Master. It's the coolest (temperature) between them all in this video! But I do also have MSI Gaming Edge. The hottest one for X570.. I'm just average now I guess.
Qian Bang how the Mdi gaming Edge in real life ?
can you test msi vrm temp inside case with proper airflow?? i think vrm temp will be much lower
@@SHFMIA it's great! I'm using 3600 as cpu, it works fine. The RGB controller in MSI is better than the Aorus. Just a side note
@@razoo911 Yep. I don't manually overclock, I use 3600 as cpu and 3200Mhz tridentZ and there's no problem at all. I'm using Tecware VXR case, and only have 3 exhaust fans just to the right of the motherboard. Clearly the airflow is not direct, but the temperature is well within what you would comfortably use it.
@@qianbang_ with 3600 will be a lot lower even with msi i dont think will be over 40c
awesome testing....cannot wait for 250$ price point video...please release it quick
There are certain bios setting that i know are on asus's crosshair boards that will stress the vrms even more for oc performance increases. Id like to see how each of these boards perform when vrm performance is maxed out manually via the boards bios.
To me the most interesting X570 board is probably the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi. It is advertised as having an 8 phase VRM and is a Mini-ITX form factor which seems great for a small fully featured gaming machine with PCIE 4 support for upcoming graphics cards. Sure, today's GPU's don't really stress out PCIE 3 but the next generation will hit at some point. At £226 it is not the cheapest X570 board but looks like it could be a good balance between cost, reliable VRM's and features that probably will not get used in most cases.
I'm glad that I've made a correct purchase on X570 Aorus Master today before this video comes out...😆 Still waiting for my 3900x...
How is it holding up, do you recommend this motherboard or no. I have decided to build a pc recently but I cant decide between it and the Crosshair viii hero which one do you recommend???
Big thanks for this video, i am thinking about buying pc with new gen ryzen!
(Also i am ur 400.000 sub hehe)
wrapping up x570 testing! what about testing the 3950x on all boards xD
Gigabyte has been so good in recent years
Would like to see where the Aorus Pro fits into this as well if you do another roundup of all the x570 boards!
What about comparing top VRM x470 motherboards and those x570? I'm waiting for it!
@@lifemocker85 I'm thinking about asrock x470 taichi, gigabite x570 aorus elite or asus x570 tuf gaming. All of these have similar VRM but i'm not sure which one have the best
I think It was 2013 when I bought my i5 4670k on MSI Z87 board. Served me well. Finally I decided to upgrade. Went with the 3700k and Aorus elite with 16GB 3200 CL14 memory. Still waiting for the parts to come. I hope they keep me upgrading for at least another 5 years :D
why cant they just make the VRM heatsinks upgradeable? Or design liquid cooling for them?
Great video as usual. Did u by chance review the asus strix e 570 as yet? Cant recall seeing that one. Thanks.
your chanel name is very generous cuz what you're doing is very faaaar away from unboxing. awsome stuff you bring us here.
The Motherboard Proctologist #3 - This time it's not Fatal, 😁
G'day Steve, thanks for all the X570 Quality testing, I can't afford one of these Motherboards but I find the content really Interesting,
Maybe one day I can get a 2nd hand set-up & I'll know where to watch the comparisons again to refresh my memory 🙄
Got a Enthoo luxe 2 this week. I think the Aorus Master and a 3950x would look amazing in it.
Be very wary of the Aorus Master. Just google 'aorus master cmos battery issue' its a known issue that causes the pc to randomly have no power when turned on . ive had it happen twice in one day and then its been ok for a couple of months before happening again. Ive had mine 10 months and its been approx. 8 times that I've had to remove my gpu to then remove the cmos battery and leave it for 15 minutes before putting it all back together for it to be able to power up. Would be kind of bearable if i didn't have to remove the GPU every time it happens.
Please tell me the conclusion which one should i go for the best?
Why is nobody really reviewing the GB X570 Ultra?
Excellent video Steve Thanks !
If you are adding more in the $250 range, I would love to see the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. I have the x370 model and I am considering upgrading to the x570 one when i upgrade to probably either a 3900x or 3950x, for no intelligent reason
YOU!
🎶You GOT just WHAT I NEED🎵
Awesome... hardware ;) and content!
Still undecided if I should get a x470 Crosshair VII Hero... or x570 Aorus Master / Crosshair VIII Hero for a 3700X
I think buildzoid went over that butdont quote me on it
@@laststep56 begone shill
Happy with my Aorus Master with the 3700X, planning a 16C upgrade eventually.
@@lolbots lol you got a lul out me
Steve, what CPU cooler are you using? And what cpu temperatures do you get with 1.4V 4.3GHz? I have tried a Corsair H115i Pro (pump at 2800RPM and 2500RPM 120mm fans) but my 3900x is getting 105C within 15minutes, which was much higher than the VRM at 62C (HWInfo64 software readings). BTW my cpu could not cope at 4.3GHz so I had to step down to 4.2GHz but power consumption was just as high (205-215W in HWInfo64 running Prime95 v26.6 12K FFTs).
sorry it's a H150i Pro (not a H115i Pro)
Really wish you would test the x470 motherboards (especially the crosshair 7 hero vs the 8)
Crosshair VII is only really a good option if you can get it at a good price or if there are specific features you want (that mid-range X570s don't have); POST LEDs, more IO , clear CMOS button, LN2 features etc. Crosshair VIII VRM is significantly more powerful than VII, and likely cooler as a result, but VII should still be perfectly capable of running 3900X or 3950X with ease.
@@TADP0LE9806 i realize it was good option day after announcement of x570, best buy was selling them for $200.....i am just wondering about vrm thermals
This was a great video! Thanks guys!
I was under the impression originally that the Phantom Gaming X was just a Taichi that looked different.
It is a Taichi with extra 2.5Gb lan.
With 2.5GB LAN you’re right
Thanks for this comparison. Looking forward to the cheaper boards.
This video helped clear a lot of confusion, thanks a lot. On other note, do you think I should get a 3950x (whenever its out) or wait for to see what Intel has to offer this time around?
What is your usage model? Games? Work, and if so what kind of work? Video? Streaming? And what's your budget?
For games Intel still is the king if you have the money for it, and I highly doubt the 3950X will change that. Same with some software such as PhotoShop (AFAIK at least), and not to forget MS Office and MS Paint (yea, I know it's a bit salty). They also have an advantage in video encoding as long as the encoder can use Intel Quick Sync as that works much better than anything AMD has to offer.
But for anything heavily multithreaded AMD has the edge for now.
At the moment we know very little of what Intel might be working on in their deepest dungeons, and as the 3950X isn't available I'd say you have a while yet to ponder this move. But in general I'd say go for what you need that's available. There is always something new and shiny "out real soon now!"
Thanks for your reply. I know what Intel and AMD offer in Regards to the use case. However, considering recent rummers that Intel will up their core count for the higher end models, it might be worth the wait and see how they compare with AMD offerings. I'm looking for a CPU for both gaming and streaming, so not just core count is important but also speed. Hopefully a good fit will pop on the market soon
If you are seriously waiting for the 3950 then you still have some time to keep your eyes at what info might make its way out of the Intel camp. At the moment it looks like it's at least 20 days left. And with any luck we will know more when the 3950 finally drops.
I can wait... Hopefully the next few releases will spice the market a bit
And now I can make an informed decision on my build 😀
Do you think Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME EATX AM4 Motherboard 700$--1200$ is worth the money and the long-term investment (hype)?
using AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor and upcoming 4-gen ryzen cpu, and 4-gen gpu's that are coming this year with none or little overclocking.
Also what max settings can be achived on my Monitor Samsung Syncmaster 2233 21.5" ?
Wounding if ya'll are getting better performance with pbo+auto oc enabled on x570 compared to x370? I'm not seeing a single or all core boost difference on an Asus C6H with them enabled.
i'll stick to my 110 us$ crosshair VI Hero, these 300+ us$ motherboards probably wont get you even 100mhz more
indeed.
Dude where did you get one? Asus Crosshair has always been $350+ in my country since it was first introduced.
Other parts are not expensive but I've always thought Asus Crosshair was like the luxury segment.
Aakash Sahani $190 from Amazon(USA) www.amazon.com/dp/B06W2L6GBX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_P-zEDb8H6R62S
With that logic your Crosshair VI is overkill too ;)
GN showed that every 4-5 degrees C is a step in performance for the 3900x. So I do think if you are spending 500 on your CPU it’s worth investing in the Mb to help it.
Would be awesome to see chipset and m.2 temperature tests (with a default heat sinks).
Also some people reported chipset overheating with open-air GPU blowing air directly into chipset fan causing system shut down. Can this be tested too?
Totally agree. It is very important question about chipset overheating under gpu. Would be great if it will be tested.
Thanks for all this hard work. I hope the return on investment is more Patreons. I too would have a hard choice between the Gigabyte and Asus. The fins on Gigabyte vs. The Bios of Asus. Oh the dilemma. I am still rocking a Crosshair Hero VI with my 3600X and 2700X. Maybe next year when the price drops a hundred or so bucks. For now I am saving for a $400-$500 or so gpu this fall if and when the 5800XT comes out.
Jerry Watson smart man
I'm wondering how much of the PCB thermal difference could be helped by installing some thermal pads/foams on the backside to contact either the backplate or your case itself, to conduct heat away from the PCB. Also could you please test if the various heatpipes to the chipsets are doing any work?
Thanks mate. Dual bios is kinda impressive... Gigabyte master maybe...
What memory do you used to run the tests? I was checking the Motherboards websites and MSI have more compatibility with ram memories than the aorus and asus... So I am confused what is better
Woo Aorus Master club! :P
How does the Auros Master VRM compare to the Ultra?
I'd like to know the very same thing!
I'm a big fan of the Aorus products for purely aesthetic reasons, nice to know they offer good products too haha.Also those slides that Asus released about mobos a little while back really turned me off of wanting to buy anything from them.
Not sure if your tests were the same but I have seen many where the new X570 Asus boards do not report temps properly through the on board software and report much lower than actual temps. Most of the time they are running about 8 degrees Celsius hotter than what is reported by the software. Still nice boards but really should be looked at as they usually run hotter than comparable MSI boards. Gigabyte still takes the thermal win though.
i'm looking forward to an mitx mobo shootout. fingers crossed one comes out eventually
One point worth mention: MSI X570 board's chipset position is a lot lower than the other two, thus avoid the VGA card to almost block the fan intake like other boards.
I have Asus Crosshair VIII Hero, and my VGA card in PCIe slot 1 completely blocks the fan hole, result in increased chipset temp. I had to move the card to 2nd PCIe slot :( (don't want to use riser)
Now my case is not very nice looking :'(
What I have learned from all this is that the Asus Prime X570-P is probably the sweet spot for a good performing board without completely breaking the bank.
Picking a good MB means the PC is easier to cool - which makes some of the expensive, poorly ventilated cases viable.
I know I am late to the party but Ive heard the RGB Software on the Aorus Master is hot trash compared to the Asus CH8 Hero. Would this make a difference during purchase or is Gigabyte still the go-to with their support n updates?
Thanks for this comparison. I bought the ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wifi) is good to know that I bought a good motherboard. I can't wait to use it and my 3700x, but new egg and UPS are having some kind of pissing match. So some day I'll get my package too bad it's one city over and I can't have it, even though I payed full price.
great content, keep up the good work!
just picked up the MSI ACE board for $246 from Amazon...looking fwd to doing a new build with a 5900x (back ordered since launch on B&H.
x 570 auros master? x570 meg ace? which one do you think is better ?
The Hero has better I/O, better bios settings and looks a lot better. The ONLY wins on the Master's side, is having a little bit better heat-sinks and three m.2 drives. But I have excellent cooling in my case, and I've run two m.2 drives for years and NEVER needed more. So I'm going with the Hero.
do you know how do i choose the right ram kit for the hero VIII? what ram speed does it supports?
I really can't understand how Asus PRIME X570 P does so well, it really seems the best value of all 👍
hoping yall do a test with the formula getting it water cooled. I really want to know if watercooling would be much better on the VRMs compared to the Extreme at the same price
7:25 The Asus Master.. Niiice xD.
What do these boards have over the ASRock Taichi or Aorus Elite?
The “ASUS Master” @7:26 lol. Steve has been stuck in that benchmark dungeon for too long he mixing brands. Imagine Aorus hardware with Asus bios, damn that’s a wet dream.
I have the MSI Gaming Edge WiFi and have experienced no problem whatsoever. Have overlocked about everything and I experience 70 degrees under load without OC and about 80-85 degrees under load with OC.
Could test using direct airflow as well - heatsink performance. Would be useful for those who have a well ventilated case.
Any thoughts on the iTX boards?