Well done for explaining why you should count the number of turns when closing off the valve - because of balancing. It makes it easier for DIYers like me if I understand why I have to do something a certain way. Thanks.
This is very helpful and easy to follow. The two top screws holding one of my radiator have come loose needing redrilling new holes. Rad is wobbly. Thought I had to empty the system to remove the rad to fix the screws until I came here to watch this video. Thank you for this well presented video.
You legend, thank you. Your tut gave me the confidence to replace my first radiator. Good advice on how to keep the system balanced by counting the turns of the valve. I had to replace a two-column vertical radiator and 10 minutes in it had me wondering how long it would take to empty (20-30 min eventually). When filling it back up, it took a good two minutes before I had water coming out the bleed valve. In between I had to top up the main system as it dropped out to zero. As a newbie I would just add, surround yourself with loads of towels and a couple of buckets, make sure you know how to top up your boiler, make sure you have all the tools to hand before you start, and go slow. Thanks again.
Around my part of the green and pleasant land we don’t have to put the scrap out the front they just come in and remove it from the wall when those of us are lucky enough to have a job are at work 👍
Thank you so much for explaining this, you’ve already made my weekend. I need to remove one panel to fit new skirting but wanted to avoid draining the whole system down and losing all the sentinel one inhibitor. Definitely a Diy’er task.
No matter how many times I do this, I always get confused about which way to turn it. Knowing it's anticlockwise turning outwards is a great tip to remember going forward.
Thanks perfect timing. I've had my radiator off for plastering. Managed to refix the brackets to the wall and hang it back up. But haven't yet bothered re connecting the valves and filling it back up. Will have a go at it tomorrow. The pressure guage on my boiler doesn't have a green bit so I've taken a photo of the pressure it was at before starting, and get it back to that pressure.
Great video. I'm contemplating changing my bathroom radiator for a towel rail type. Fortunately I have shut off valves either side of the rad so there shouldn't be any leaks from the system but the rad still needs draining and I was unsure how to do that. Your video has explained perfectly and very well presented too. Thanks for the tips. And I've subscribed. 👍
You can but it's quite difficult in a normal radiator. A towel rail in bathroom is a better way to add it if you can, or in a magnetic filter by the boiler if one is installed. Thanks for watching 👍
It depends on situation. You could lock off all the radiator valves and just drain the pipes leaving water in tge radiators? Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Reuse before you recycle! I even downgrade my everyday clothes to work clothes before they're demoted to rags....you may have noticed 😂. Thanks for watching 👍
I didn't on this occasion but you can. Easiest way to add it is through the top of a heated towel rail if you have one as the valve is on top. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Spot on that pal 👍🏼 I need to stick some wallpaper back down behind mine… just a quick one though, I have to keep topping up my system so what would be the cause of that?
If it needs topping up, either air in your system, or you have water leaking or weeping out somewhere. Try bleeding all your radiators, refill as you go so not add more air. Then see if that works. Best of luck.
Left a comment before and didn't remember to say that most radiators have a lot of antique dust and gunge behind them, so this method really allows you to see to the gunk and likely allow for better heat radiation.
You could if you closed the other valve or otherwise you'd drain the whole system. But I was trying to show how to do it if there wasn't a valve. That valve is intended to drain the whole system when required as it's closest to the house door and the outside drain. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching.
If you wanted to do away with that radiator then do the pipes have to be connected so the loop continues? Basically, in a situation where you are not putting the radiator back ever. What do you do then?
You could cap the pipes off with stop ends short term, but the correct way would be to find where the pipes come off the main feed, and remove them altogether. This can be done with push fit or copper and soldering. I have another video of moving the position of a radiator which may help as you can see the pipe work under the floor boards - th-cam.com/video/j40aoYrbKe4/w-d-xo.html Best of luck 👍
I don’t suppose you could please confirm the make of this particular rad? I’m asking as I have one exactly the same at home in my bathroom and it’s gone rusty and needs replacing. Many thanks.
Little tip...if you are storing the radiator inside while it's off, nip up the bleed valves and flip the radiator upside down, it definitely won't leak then. Another tip....don't rely on a TRV being turned right down with the radiator disconnected, always best to lock it off with the little cap it came with. I knew a guy who flooded his house once because he did that. It was real cold weather and the thermostatic valve opened when he wasn't about! Oops!! (He might chip in if he's reading this! 😂)
Not sure if you chaps are still about, but I,ve tried this today. All went well until i saw the boiler pressure right down. Decided to add some water in, assuming I'd locked off each end, but the thermostat side in OFF still p*ssed water everywhere.
Yes you can chase copper pipes in wall. You can lag them with various materials these days prior to plastering over them but it's making sure you have enough room for your pipes and lagging. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching 👍
Are modern radiator brackets universal? For example could I replace a Kudox radiator with a Stelrad radiator of the same dimensions without having to replace the brackets?
Great video, thank you. My boiler hasn't got any loop valves or a pressure gauge... how does it add the extra water? or doesn't it matter on my Conventional 15yr old boiler? thanks
I use my wet hoover and just vacuum the water as it comes out. If a smaller rad I'll cling film over the rad valve and elastic band it in place. Rad can then be carried outside and emptied.
Why didn't you use the drain on the rad valve at the other end .....plus people please please please if your radiator has a thermostatic valve either shut it with the manual decorators cap or fit a brass blanking cap to the valve exit cos they have been known to open on the frost protection setting
@@shoudd then you have a radiator with double locksheilds so it’s either an older system or that radiator is situated closest to the room thermostat (if you have one) take note of how many full turns it takes to shut off both valves as you will need to open them up to the previous position to reduce any issues with balancing ie: that radiator either takes all the heat and the others don’t perform as they did or that radiator will not heat up also depending on the age the locksheild may start pissing water at you as soon as you turn it or when you open them back up the gland but may leak…. Have fun with that or alternatively just call a plumber….?
Might both be lock shield like mine. I have my thermostat in the room with the rad in the video, hence I had two lock shields. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Wheel head and lock shield is a naming convention, a wheelhead valve is the valve on the flow circuit ie out of the boiler, the lock shield is on the the return circuit. They usually are identical, what is different as Pouse showed is the cap. Think of them as two sink taps one with a handle to turn off and on the other with the handle missing. Why? When the house is first setup the heating system needs balancing, all the valves to each radiator are open, when the heating is on, the radiators far from the boiler will be slow to warm and those closest to the boiler will be toasty hot. Simply, the pump is pushing water around and the water goes through the radiator with the least resistance. By partially closing the hottest radiator valve on the return circuit we restrict the flow and the radiator has less water flowing though it so it is cooler. This time consuming job is complete when all of the radiators are the same temp. As we don’t want anyone messing with this “balanced” setting, a cap that spins and cannot accidentally be adjusted is placed on the valve ( the lock shield valve) We can turn off the radiator using the (wheelhead)valve on the other end of the radiator this has a cap that can turn the valve. (This is the valve that is replaced If you want to put a TRV thermostatic radiator valve on). Once the lock shield is set along with the other radiator’s it is left alone. To the poster who has no caps on the radiator, then the one that gets hottest first is the one you use to turn off and on the radiator. If both the valves have been messed with merely fully open both of them and after the heating has been on for a while hold your hand on the radiator and compare with the other radiators in the house, it is too hot compared with the rest of the rads in the house then partially close the lock shield valve on the return circuit (at the opposite end of the the one that got hottest first) adjust until it matches the other house radiators. Check you’ve got it right when the heating is next on, Mark it with some paint and leave that valve alone or buy some radiator caps. I think of the names, wheel being one you can turn and lock as one that is locked and don’t mess with.
If you get an old pair of rubber washing up gloves cut off a finger. You can stretch it over the radiator pipe and keep most of the water in the radiator to take it out and then drain it.
Tried it yesterday, sadly didn't work. Closed off left and right as far as it would go, opened the bleed valve and air and then water shoots out suggesting that the inlet on the bottom won't close all the way 😢
Yes, just close the valves down by the removed radiator and it will be fine. When you add the radiator back on you will need to bleed the radiators as per the video and repressurise the boiler. Best of luck 👍
I'm needing to change out a valve that's seized open on one of my old cast iron radiators. It's located in my living room, and is directly over the boiler in my basement. It's the first to recover hot water and is the hottest radiator in the house. As a result, the heating throughout is not balanced. The problem I'm having is that i would like to do this without draining the system, but i believe that's not possible for me to do because all of my radiators only have a valve on the entry port of the radiator and not another valve on the exit port. In my situation there's really no way to do this without draining the entire system, correct?
Best step by step videos I've seen on TH-cam so far. Well done Pouse
Thanks for the kind words, glad you found them useful 👍
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Great, full and thorough explanation at an ideal pace. Thank you!
Well done for explaining why you should count the number of turns when closing off the valve -
because of balancing. It makes it easier for DIYers like me if I understand why I have to do something a certain way. Thanks.
Glad to help, thanks for the comment 👍
Useful, no nonsense video that focuses on how to remove/refit a radiator. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it.
This is very helpful and easy to follow. The two top screws holding one of my radiator have come loose needing redrilling new holes. Rad is wobbly. Thought I had to empty the system to remove the rad to fix the screws until I came here to watch this video. Thank you for this well presented video.
No problem, glad to help 👍
You legend, thank you. Your tut gave me the confidence to replace my first radiator. Good advice on how to keep the system balanced by counting the turns of the valve. I had to replace a two-column vertical radiator and 10 minutes in it had me wondering how long it would take to empty (20-30 min eventually). When filling it back up, it took a good two minutes before I had water coming out the bleed valve. In between I had to top up the main system as it dropped out to zero. As a newbie I would just add, surround yourself with loads of towels and a couple of buckets, make sure you know how to top up your boiler, make sure you have all the tools to hand before you start, and go slow. Thanks again.
Great advice, thanks for watching 👍
Absolutely superb video! Great info and a very clear explanation of not only how to put the rad back on but also how to balance the system.
Glad it was helpful.
Spot on! Confident I can manage this without the services of plumber. Much Appreciated.
No problem, hope it went well 👍
Another tip don't leave it out the front cos the fookers will have it on a scrap van before you've put the kettle on.
I never leave any metal out the front around here!!
😂
Great video
Around my part of the green and pleasant land we don’t have to put the scrap out the front they just come in and remove it from the wall when those of us are lucky enough to have a job are at work 👍
Need to do this for decorating our bedroom and found it very informative! I'm a lot more confident now I know I can follow this video! Thanks!
Glad to help 👍
Excellent video with professional tips on how not to flood your house! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much for explaining this, you’ve already made my weekend. I need to remove one panel to fit new skirting but wanted to avoid draining the whole system down and losing all the sentinel one inhibitor. Definitely a Diy’er task.
Glad to help, hope it went well 👍
No matter how many times I do this, I always get confused about which way to turn it. Knowing it's anticlockwise turning outwards is a great tip to remember going forward.
Even I get it wrong, I sometimes watch my own vids to remember! 😂
Just remember that the screw part is on the valve not on the rad
Thanks perfect timing. I've had my radiator off for plastering. Managed to refix the brackets to the wall and hang it back up. But haven't yet bothered re connecting the valves and filling it back up. Will have a go at it tomorrow. The pressure guage on my boiler doesn't have a green bit so I've taken a photo of the pressure it was at before starting, and get it back to that pressure.
Taking a pic is a great idea, best of luck with it and thanks for watching.
Really clear & informative video. Super easy to follow - thank you!
Glad to help 👍
Very good instructions clear and slow. Glad I found this video.
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching.
Great video. I'm contemplating changing my bathroom radiator for a towel rail type. Fortunately I have shut off valves either side of the rad so there shouldn't be any leaks from the system but the rad still needs draining and I was unsure how to do that. Your video has explained perfectly and very well presented too. Thanks for the tips. And I've subscribed. 👍
Thanks for the kind words. Glad to help, and best of luck with the radiator 👍
You're very welcome Pouse. 👍😀
Great video, easy to follow and no annoying muzak. Thank you.
No problem, glad you enjoyed it 👍
As good a description as I've seen...Well done👏👏
Thank you
Just about to change a radiator so thought I’d just check that I’m doing it correctly. Thanks for the video
No problem 👍
This video is great. Informative enough to make me confident I can do this.
Hope it went well 👍
Excellent video is it worth dumping some inhibitor by opening the top valves of the rad before opening the valves on either end to repressurise it...
You can but it's quite difficult in a normal radiator. A towel rail in bathroom is a better way to add it if you can, or in a magnetic filter by the boiler if one is installed. Thanks for watching 👍
Very clear video! Thanks. Also funny that we can recognise the "Rag" you used to catch the water... :)
Always reuse before you recycle 😂 Thanks for watching 👍
Very helpful thank you. Is there any way of changing the values and pipe below without draining the system.. I need to replace a damaged pipe you see.
It depends on situation. You could lock off all the radiator valves and just drain the pipes leaving water in tge radiators? Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for your excellent video, explained very well and easy to understand..
No problem, glad to help 👍
Great simple video exactly what I need to do. Love the fact you're keeping it real by using old pants for your rags !
Reuse before you recycle! I even downgrade my everyday clothes to work clothes before they're demoted to rags....you may have noticed 😂. Thanks for watching 👍
Do you put some inhibitor into the radiator to ensure you keep enough in the system? Great video
I didn't on this occasion but you can. Easiest way to add it is through the top of a heated towel rail if you have one as the valve is on top. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Thank you very very much!!!
A very clear and concise video. Easy to follow and understand.
Thank you again!
No problem, glad to help 👍
Really helpful and honest video...especially the part when bleeding the radiator 🙂...Thanks!
Glad you found it useful 👍
Spot on that pal 👍🏼 I need to stick some wallpaper back down behind mine… just a quick one though, I have to keep topping up my system so what would be the cause of that?
If it needs topping up, either air in your system, or you have water leaking or weeping out somewhere. Try bleeding all your radiators, refill as you go so not add more air. Then see if that works. Best of luck.
Very well explained Pouse. Thank you very much.
No problem.
Left a comment before and didn't remember to say that most radiators have a lot of antique dust and gunge behind them, so this method really allows you to see to the gunk and likely allow for better heat radiation.
Thanks for the comment 👍
What about the old and heavy cast iron rads that sit on the floor. Any suggestions
Great content. Keep it coming
Was there a drain off tap on that rad? Can you use that?
You could if you closed the other valve or otherwise you'd drain the whole system. But I was trying to show how to do it if there wasn't a valve. That valve is intended to drain the whole system when required as it's closest to the house door and the outside drain. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching.
If you wanted to do away with that radiator then do the pipes have to be connected so the loop continues? Basically, in a situation where you are not putting the radiator back ever. What do you do then?
You could cap the pipes off with stop ends short term, but the correct way would be to find where the pipes come off the main feed, and remove them altogether. This can be done with push fit or copper and soldering. I have another video of moving the position of a radiator which may help as you can see the pipe work under the floor boards - th-cam.com/video/j40aoYrbKe4/w-d-xo.html
Best of luck 👍
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE many thanks for the reply. Much appreciated 🖐🏻
Great video, clear and easy to follow. Loving you using your old boxer's for bleeding the radiator! Haha
Reuse before you recycle! Thanks for watching 👍
Thank you- really well explained..will save me £££££'s!!
Glad to help 👍
Double lockshield is usually put in where the room stat is, because trvs interfere with it and you don't need 2 lockshields to balance rads
Yes that's right, traditionally found in the coldest rooms of the house, often the hallway. Thanks for watching 👍
What's the difference of the valves on your boiler? Why two? Mine only has one valve.
I don’t suppose you could please confirm the make of this particular rad? I’m asking as I have one exactly the same at home in my bathroom and it’s gone rusty and needs replacing. Many thanks.
Little tip...if you are storing the radiator inside while it's off, nip up the bleed valves and flip the radiator upside down, it definitely won't leak then.
Another tip....don't rely on a TRV being turned right down with the radiator disconnected, always best to lock it off with the little cap it came with. I knew a guy who flooded his house once because he did that. It was real cold weather and the thermostatic valve opened when he wasn't about! Oops!! (He might chip in if he's reading this! 😂)
I think I know that guy!!
Not sure if you chaps are still about, but I,ve tried this today. All went well until i saw the boiler pressure right down. Decided to add some water in, assuming I'd locked off each end, but the thermostat side in OFF still p*ssed water everywhere.
Great explanation 🎉
is it possible to chase the copper piping in the wall for the radiator ? & what if anything do u need like insulation for pipes ??
Yes you can chase copper pipes in wall. You can lag them with various materials these days prior to plastering over them but it's making sure you have enough room for your pipes and lagging. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching 👍
Are modern radiator brackets universal? For example could I replace a Kudox radiator with a Stelrad radiator of the same dimensions without having to replace the brackets?
It's likely they will fit yes. Best of luck 👍
Great video, thank you. My boiler hasn't got any loop valves or a pressure gauge... how does it add the extra water? or doesn't it matter on my Conventional 15yr old boiler? thanks
If it’s not a combi boiler it won’t have these.
I use my wet hoover and just vacuum the water as it comes out. If a smaller rad I'll cling film over the rad valve and elastic band it in place. Rad can then be carried outside and emptied.
Nice tip, thanks! 👍
Such a helpful guide. Thanks mate 👍🏼
No problem 👍
Why didn't you use the drain on the rad valve at the other end .....plus people please please please if your radiator has a thermostatic valve either shut it with the manual decorators cap or fit a brass blanking cap to the valve exit cos they have been known to open on the frost protection setting
Great video..the best straight to the job well explained thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
What a fantastic video
Thanks for the kind words 👍
Help when bleeding radiator the bed nipple won't stop turning to stop water what do I do
Brilliant thankyou! You made it look easy and I'm going to give this a go :)
Hope it went well 👍
Great video, very helpful, thank you
Glad you found it useful 👍
how to check mains water pressure in the house please
I use a rubble sack to drain in to. You can pull it up behind the rad and valve so it doesn’t spray over the wall.
Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching!
How to know which valve is balancing?
How would you know which side is the lock shield and which side isn't. If both caps on each end of the radiator are missing
Not all rads have trvs.perhaps he has his thermostat in the landing hence no trv on the rad.
Trv should have a thread on it
@@incorrect1844 I have an old rad where both caps are missing and the valves that turn look identical so unable to identify a lock shield
@@shoudd then you have a radiator with double locksheilds so it’s either an older system or that radiator is situated closest to the room thermostat (if you have one) take note of how many full turns it takes to shut off both valves as you will need to open them up to the previous position to reduce any issues with balancing ie: that radiator either takes all the heat and the others don’t perform as they did or that radiator will not heat up also depending on the age the locksheild may start pissing water at you as soon as you turn it or when you open them back up the gland but may leak…. Have fun with that or alternatively just call a plumber….?
Might both be lock shield like mine. I have my thermostat in the room with the rad in the video, hence I had two lock shields. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Wheel head and lock shield is a naming convention, a wheelhead valve is the valve on the flow circuit ie out of the boiler, the lock shield is on the the return circuit. They usually are identical, what is different as Pouse showed is the cap. Think of them as two sink taps one with a handle to turn off and on the other with the handle missing. Why? When the house is first setup the heating system needs balancing, all the valves to each radiator are open, when the heating is on, the radiators far from the boiler will be slow to warm and those closest to the boiler will be toasty hot. Simply, the pump is pushing water around and the water goes through the radiator with the least resistance. By partially closing the hottest radiator valve on the return circuit we restrict the flow and the radiator has less water flowing though it so it is cooler. This time consuming job is complete when all of the radiators are the same temp. As we don’t want anyone messing with this “balanced” setting, a cap that spins and cannot accidentally be adjusted is placed on the valve ( the lock shield valve) We can turn off the radiator using the (wheelhead)valve on the other end of the radiator this has a cap that can turn the valve. (This is the valve that is replaced If you want to put a TRV thermostatic radiator valve on).
Once the lock shield is set along with the other radiator’s it is left alone. To the poster who has no caps on the radiator, then the one that gets hottest first is the one you use to turn off and on the radiator. If both the valves have been messed with merely fully open both of them and after the heating has been on for a while hold your hand on the radiator and compare with the other radiators in the house, it is too hot compared with the rest of the rads in the house then partially close the lock shield valve on the return circuit (at the opposite end of the the one that got hottest first) adjust until it matches the other house radiators. Check you’ve got it right when the heating is next on, Mark it with some paint and leave that valve alone or buy some radiator caps.
I think of the names, wheel being one you can turn and lock as one that is locked and don’t mess with.
So funny just changed over my bathroom radiator in exactly the same way. Still watched your video though.
You must have too much time on your hands! Thanks for watching.
excellent instruction Pouse
Thank you.
If you get an old pair of rubber washing up gloves cut off a finger. You can stretch it over the radiator pipe and keep most of the water in the radiator to take it out and then drain it.
Great tip, I might try that. Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching John. 👍
Tried it yesterday, sadly didn't work. Closed off left and right as far as it would go, opened the bleed valve and air and then water shoots out suggesting that the inlet on the bottom won't close all the way 😢
If you have the rad off for a day or 2 can you use the heating as normal?
Yes, just close the valves down by the removed radiator and it will be fine. When you add the radiator back on you will need to bleed the radiators as per the video and repressurise the boiler. Best of luck 👍
Nice one Pouse👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
I don't think I icolated my radiator first, should I still follow the same steps
Would it not be easier to put a small hole in the bottom of jug so water goes straight into bowl instead of taking jug away to empty.?
That would ruin my gravy jug!
Like a funnel you mean?
Really helpful video . Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Brilliant, thank you so much
You're very welcome!
Excellent video Pouse, I always need a reminder for this job! Looks like a pair of your old boxers at 15:30 😉
Always the old boxers, reuse before you recycle!
Awesome 👍
Useful lesson
Thanks for the feedback.
Great, I'm about to replace a radiator, problem, the one I'm removing was installed without valves.
great video 👍
Thanks 👍
Cheers. Great video
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
No worries just found the plastic end on rad key kept turning got a solid key all ok now 😂
Good work👍
Whey didn't you drain the radiator using the drain valve fitted on the left hand side of the radiator.
Do you know a way to remove my wall radiator without draining the central heating system?
Good detailed video 👍
Thanks 👍
I thought you were gonnna use ptfe on the valves
Muito bom 👍👍
I was going to change mine … but I’m now going to get a plumber in !!! Fuck that 😂
😂😂 fair enough.
Thank you.
No problem 👍
Man you gotta get rid of that annoying sound effect. I’m surprised you’ve kept it for this long despite all the complaints in the comments.
Which sound effect? The music at beginning and end?
@@POUSEaroundtheHOUSE it’s at 0:24
Once the radiator is off block the bleed valve, and turn the radiator upside down, that way it won't leak on your carpet
Good advice 👍
I will use a garden plastic rubble bag to collect water from radiator
Best of luck with it.
If your watching this in 2023 and you go it regularly. Buy a wet vac. Inexpensive and saves a lot of time and mess 😊
Good video. But as soon as you touch lockvalve after a few years it starts leaking.
Nice pants!
Why did you just drain the radiator using the drain off valve on the radiator woild have made less mess
That would of drained the whole system though. 🤭🤪🤣
@@bramleymoore64no it wouldn’t, it would drain that radiator
Hy
thanks to your video makes me convident to do this myself, very clearly explained
Thanks for the feedback 👍
I'm needing to change out a valve that's seized open on one of my old cast iron radiators. It's located in my living room, and is directly over the boiler in my basement. It's the first to recover hot water and is the hottest radiator in the house. As a result, the heating throughout is not balanced. The problem I'm having is that i would like to do this without draining the system, but i believe that's not possible for me to do because all of my radiators only have a valve on the entry port of the radiator and not another valve on the exit port. In my situation there's really no way to do this without draining the entire system, correct?
Awesome video, appreciate this very much. Thanks
Glad to help 👍
Thank you