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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Testing out some popular analog phaser pedals - see how they sound next to each other WITH SYNTHESIZERS!
Carn darn it - there's gonna be a shootout!
I check out the following phaser effects pedal:
Video contents:
0:00 Intro
00:30 Behringer VP-1 vintage phaser
02:29 EHX Small Stone nano
04:55 Boss PH-1r
07:20 Comparison of the pedals
09:22 BONUS!! STEREO Smallstone
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Also, there's an indepth video on the Boss PH-1r:
• Boss PH-1R Phaser with...
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There's an update: th-cam.com/video/HTrO11HfviE/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic demonstration of the differences …. So many guitar 🎸 phaser demos have the phaser rate too high and then play too many notes… it all becomes a frustrating jumbled mess .
Your video is a splendid breath of fresh air
Thank you kindly!
The stereo Small Stone pair sound awesome - dancing majestically around my DT770 headphones. Just made for string synths.
Lovely vid. The stereo small stone usage just made me order second one, thnx!
Thanks for this video! I was a little tired of guitar demos and guessing how that would translate to synthesizers.
Glad I could help!
I use that Behringer phaser with my mellotron and makes it sound amazing, haven’t tried the other ones yet
who else went out and bought TWO phasers because of this stereo demo?? i know i did!! two VP1s though i'll get a small stone and bad stone one day to compare
Thanks a lot for this. The Behringer actually sounds surprisingly good.
And lately I've been wanting to try out 2 Small Stones as stereo ;)
Yeah, I thought the same. Good luck!
Great demo with the classic synth sound. All the pedals sound cool.
Thank you kindly!
@@ranzee Most Welcome 🤗
great demo! the Behringer cheapie sounds really sweet, that's my favourite.
Hi coldwar1977, thanks so much for watching! I actually purchased another analog phaser since this video! It's the MXR Phase 90 - and it is yet different again! lol, so much choice!
@@ranzee cool, the Phase 90 has a nice sound too, glad it works for you! Me too I really liked the sound of it, but it didn't work through my particular setup because it couldn't handle hot synth levels.
The stereo example sounds great ! It reminds me of the flanger/panning effect heard at the end of Muse's Citizen Erased.
However, the Small Stone is true bypass, so I don't think placing them in the audio path at the same time would ensure their LFOs are synchronized in phase. Maybe switching their power on at the same time would, but then again small tolerance difference in analog parts would probably come into play. It still sounds amazing !
Behringer should come up with V2 in stereo!
great idea :)
Like…. A Dual Phase
Love the stereo!
Tried this at home with two effects like this in stereo. By increasing ever so slightly the modulation of one effect, opposed to the other, you can achieve better phasing continuity. ( :
That behringer sounds amazing
They are really nice - and so cheap too! Don't forget to check out my second video: th-cam.com/video/HTrO11HfviE/w-d-xo.html
thx 4 sharing!
No problem!
To my ears the VP-1, is warmer sounding, not as harsh as the other two. I am thinking the subtilty really blends in the mix better, especially with reverb, Great video my friend !!! ( :
Hi, yeah, you're not the first to say this. I'm "OK" with the VP-1 - so for bang for buck it wins that race - but for overall sound, I like the MoogerFooger (as shown in my ShootOut 2 video).
Agreed Ranzee!
Hey Triplebacon Art! Thanks man :)
Great upload, the stereo experiment sounded even better than I expected. I wonder how these compare to a Maestro MP-1, that's the analog phaser I'm most interested in at the moment, but it's hard to choose.
Hi Kira - thanks for watching :) I've never heard the Maestro MP-1 ... going to check it out right now!
Thanks for doing this. Was wondering how to pull this off. Was worried about the LFO sync issue but it seems with some tweaking you can get them pretty close. I wish someone would do a stereo ANALOG phaser w a mix knob though. Will try this trick for now. Keep it up!
Glad I could help!
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I have the ehx and vp1 too. Thought about doing the stereo thing too. Just a question of ehich to duplicate. But the vp1 drops volume alot on switching effect on. The ehx less so but both are dropping vol.
The VP1 sounds more tame to me - so perhaps the EHX has a better circuit?
If only Jean Michel Jarre had thought of doing this !!! ;-)
Seriously though, great demo, good to see the two working in parallel at the end.
For anyone reading this, if you're not listening to this video using earphones or headphones, do yourself a favour, especially from 09:55 - it sounds awesome !
Cheers mate. I did an update video to this. MXR do a stereo phaser called the Phase 99 - still think the Small Stone pair does a better job ;) Check it out if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/HTrO11HfviE/w-d-xo.html
@@ranzee Oh cool, I've not heard of that, will check out your other video now. Keep up the good work, very useful, and thank you for responding :-)
Are you playing Jean Michelle Jarre chords there? It sure reminds me of it. I never realized how cool phasers sounded on synths, I'd always thought of them as a poor relation to the flanger. To my ears now, phasing seems much more useful on synths than on guitar. Looking at the small stone schematics in a Google search it looks like the same LFO is supplying the 4 filters in the circuit, so I guess it wouldn't be that hard to tap off that from one to another in some way. But it sounded nice just getting them in about the same spot as you say, that random factor is a beautiful thing.
Hi Punk Duck. I am playing some Jarre! I was taken back by how cool that dual phaser experiment sounded! Thanks so much for watching!
I have two of Behringer's VP-1 Vintage Phaser pedals (both of them which I bought second hand for about 40 bucks each), and together with the Orange Phaser in my trusty old Eleven Rack I get all the phasing I ever need. However, there is something curious about the Behringer pedals: they have very different ranges of rate. One can go a lot slower at the minimum knob position and accordingly, doesn’t get as fast when turned to maximum, and the other doesn't get as slow, but when maxed out, goes almost to audio frequency range. I wonder if there are actually differences between different pedals out of the box, or could one be modded? The knobs feel different too, the one with the slower range has a lot "wobblier" knob. Perhaps somebody replaced the original potentiometer and the difference comes from different resistance range? I'm sure somebody with more solid knowledge in electronics than me could explain it. Or maybe I should just take them apart and see what's inside and whether there are obvious signs of modification.
Yeah they're pretty good for the coin. I'd take them apart - take some photos. we have a discord group you can share and discuss if you like:
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Cheers, and see you there!
Why, to my taste, does Small Stone-specifically the Behringer clone I have-sound better than other analog phasers? With a Tomsline G-Fuzz in front of the Behringer, it’s the best fuzz & phaser combo I’ve heard! For a total of $60-70 USD?!
It doesn’t hurt that JMJ or Jonny Greenwood are renowned Small Stone users. Maybe that’s why my ear prefers its synthy, slightly overdriven-ish (?) sounding goodness.
Perhaps instead of the 4 stage phaser ehx small stone try the six stage ehx bad stone instead. If you want a stereo phaser the tc electronic helix is a very affordable option for synthesists. There are far too few demos of fx pedals plugged into synths on youtube, why should guitarists have all the fun?. Anyone prepared to post synth + fx pedal videos on here will get a thumbs up from me. Nice work ranzee.
Cheers apislapis! I ended up getting a couple of new pedals: Moogerfooger MF-103 12-stage analog phaser and the MXR Phase-99 - both have stereo outputs - which is super cool. I'm currently filming a new video, so hopefully will have that up soon!
@@ranzee hello mate! love your video. I was surprised by how good the 2x small stone combo sounded, i thought it'd sound wonky and drunk but actually sounds fantastic. it's useful because it'd work with a stereo synth, whereas the MF-103 (which I'm sure is the creme de la creme alongside Mutron) and MXR phase 99 only have mono in. Would two Behringers work?
Sounds great, just a shame that the 6-note polyphony of the VP-03 cuts of the notes, but that's the limitation of the boutique. Also the tone of the strings is a bit harsh, maybe if you take down the tone control of the strings a bit it even sounds better. Thanks for this video! Always love oxygene and equinoxe of JMJ. Have you tried it with the Streichfett? Probably sounds even harsher but there is more polyphony.
Thanks Albert! Yeah I've got the Streichfett. I'm actually waiting to get the VC-340 from Behringer - that thing will purrrrr
Hi Ranzee, yes the VC-340 is the real deal for strings (and vocoder). The original was used a lot by Vangelis (i.e. Antarctica) and of course "Oh Superman" of Laurie Anderson. Looking forward to your experiments with it, when it is available.
I have owned so many BOSS pedals in my life. Literally nothing has changed about them. So little change to them over the years... the knobs move, they do wider versions... I used to love the BOSS pedals.
Hey fluidsc! Nice stuff man. Experimenting with gear is always a good thing :)
That's kinda what makes them great. They've been fine tuning the same design for all these years, and in the meantime the sounds have become apart of musical tradition.
There's a great discussion going over on GearSlutz about phaser pedals if you're interested: www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1257030-analog-phaser-pedals.html
there's a stereo mod for the older small stones - not sure if it is applicable to the nano's www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/09/19/making-a-stereo-small-stone-phaser-for-synthesizers/
Hey Sasquatch! Nice find! Off to check that out :)
amazing video! has anyone tried the tc electronic helix??
I'll wait for someone else to answer that because I don't own one!
the small stone sounds a bit like it's 'stepping' through the cycle somehow - am i just hearing things?
I guess it's just the harmonic series, resonating at each harmonic.
Nah not stepping, that's harmonics. With the resonance pumped up it really clicks into harmonic sweet spots.
it indeed polish the harmonics that gives a flattering retro sound on the highs
Boss PH1r needs 12 volts....at the back. If you run it at 9 volts in is not the same (the LED is very dim also).
Cheers Paul - yeah the other guy mentions this here in the comments too.
My Behringer vintage Phaser is very noisy unlike yours🤔 think I may have a dodgy one!?... thanks for the demo😎
Hi guidelineuk - that sux ... still under warranty? thanks for watching!
@@ranzee yeah im on the case ; )
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Did you get a new one? Problem sorted?
@@quasarsphere no ...to bizzy working 🙄😄
Nice video here @ranzee. I'm coming here after watching a bit of your Analog phaser pedals for synths part 2 video th-cam.com/video/HTrO11HfviE/w-d-xo.html . I recently bought the Small Stone pedal to use with my string synths so I was wondering if you had a video showcasing it. The Moogerfooger MF103 does sound great and the MXR Phase 99 does hit way above what I was expecting but these 3 here in part one of your video series all sound very good to me
Jean Michel Jarre - Equinoxe Part 2