Thanks for this 4in1 review! I have a Mobula7 and really enjoy it outdoors (at least I did until the temperatures dropped, summer greetings to Stew). But I struggle indoors, even on 1S or 2S with throttle limit, especially in angle mode. With the Mob7 being increasingly popular I think a tuning guide would be a nice idea for an upcoming video. Something similar to the Project Mockingbird recommendations (like linear rates and some throttle mixing for yaw) but tailored to 2S Whoops.
Mobula indoors with: throttle mid=~30 throttle expo=60 and you’re done. I find the throttle limit approach doesn’t give you the option for times you might need a quick punch to stop you from either hitting the floor or obstacles.
Im totally mounting my receiver antennas the same way you did on your beta 75. I realized that was what was giving me video issues and ive been trying to think of a way to mount them to get them away from the vtx. Thanks Bardwell, I got learnt today.
After about 3 days of looking at betaflight gui, I had lift off for the first time today with my 75x. Thankyou for your betaflight for beginners playlist. Yeah i'm hooked. I need more batteries.. Thanks for the help and all the good things you do for everyone getting into the worrld of fpv.
I just want to say Josh that you are one of the best contributors to TH-cam. I saw a recommendation for an FPV video (mr Steele I think ) one month ago and I just knew I had to try this hobby. I searched ‘learn FPV’ and your videos popped up, today I flew my micro around the backyard for a whole 1s lipoHV battery without crashing. ONE MONTH from learning about the hobby to a full battery FPV flight. You’re amazing! I couldn’t have figured out all the gear I needed this quick and worked out OpenTX, Betatlight, Pids ETC. thank you!!! Edit: Oscar Liang’s resources on his website are also invaluable
Good review! I bought a Mobula7 and absolutely love this thing. Indoor on 1s out door 2s. It's just as much fun as my 5in. Less stuff to carry around all the time. More pure enjoyment! Great review!
In pro automotive racing you have different cars for different kinds of tracks. I worked in NASCAR for 10 years and we had 10 different designed chassis to use depending on the track. Cars look the same but depending on which track they are going to be on dictates how you build the car. Makes sense for kwads. Great video.
You're so right about the camera. I feel like I'm flying blind anytime there's any sort of bright light. Otherwise, I love this little thing! Maybe they'll have a V2 for the camera like they did with the frame.
This is the route I should have gone instead of the Eachine E511S I got to get started flying quads. I'm so glad I found your channel! This video is a little old, but I hope you get this thank you, Joshua!
Great video. I saw your previous video on the EMAX Tinyhawk and yep- I got it. My first tiny whoop quad. Only flown indoors and found it awesome. Tomorrow is her first outdoor maiden. Cheers and appreciate your videos. Cheers. :) oh yeah I got the rtf version...awesome!
11:04 I think the camera angle and FOV is whats preventing you to fly precisely. The acrobee and fx805 cameras have the perfect fov and angle (20 degrees) for indoor flying.
Good job, thanks for the review! About the Beta 75x, I am flying it at home under tables and chairs and other tight spots without problem, it takes some to time find the right rates.
Great review JB! I have the Tinyhawk and Mobula7 and agree with everything you've said here about them. Right now, I'm all about the Mobula7. It's more fun outdoor (acro/2S) but I feel I have way more control on an indoor whoop track (stab/1S). I've read in the comments here about the "mockingbird" tune so now off the see if that helps my Tinyhawk fly better. Thanks for doing what you do!
Great roundup Joshua! I absolutely love my M7 rocking the V2 frame (although powerloop into frozen ground destroyed the first one) Indoor 50% throttle limit using 2S works like a charm! Rateprofiles switchable via OSD=Bonus! 👍🏻
I want a tinywhoop and was thinking I should grab 2s and put a throttle limit on. Glad to hear that is a good idea. Any whoops you recommend these days?
Another whoop you didnt mention is the ur65/us65/uk65 these guys are so much fun indoors. Brushless so they are not going to wear out as fast as a brushed and 1s with pretty good flight times and power. Run it with a project mokingbird tune and its even more amazing. Great video as always.
Great video to start 2019 with and well worth 30 minutes of my time. My Mobula 7 should be arriving this week from Banggood and also have 2 spare V2 frames on order. But what about the other whoops like the Kingkong LDARC GT7 and GT8? Then there's the FullSpeed Tiny Leader that runs on 3S and can't wait for your thoughts on it as it is in my basket ready to order.
Yeah I'm making the jump to brushless and was looking at the M7 or trashcan, but was honest with my primarily indoor flying and ordered the US65. I forgot to order spare frames...
Phew! I was hoping that you would come down to exactly this conclusion and you did. Good investment just became better. Although, i really feel like the mobula needs throttle cut and 1s to be a real deal indoors. Thx Joshua - really nice review.
Yeah, should have waited till you got the trashcan and done a comparison of all together. That one is in the same class and has some good reviews cf the mobula, so would have been good to have your thoughts on the whole set of current models in this class.
I'm holding onto hope for a 2S Tinyhawk, but the Trashcan looks really sweet. I think it looks like the best whoop out there. Hopefully JB revisits this soon with a review of it.
You Truly make some of the Best,most Informative videos I've Seen!! i'm moving up from toy grades,and i'm Glad i found Your Channel!! i just got the Jumper T12 radio, and Excited to get my FPV On!! Beta 75 i think will be me First Buy! its Awesome! Thanks for All the Great Content on here!!
For race courses like that my go to is the URUAV UR65 upgraded to 19000kv motors. Great power for corrections but subtle enough for precision. May be a little old now but it's one of my most favorite quads I own.
Great video. Many of my comments have already been made (Trashcan, Mocking bird)... Nearly bought the V1 Mobula and when I saw the breakage decided on the Tinyhawk. These small form factor quads are coming out so fast and improving faster than Moore's law. Don't forget the Babyhawk ;)
I have gotten the m7 3 months ago and since i have never touched my 6s 5 inch or my 3s 2 inch again. It just works, its versatile, powerful, fun, it really doesnt bother anyone if I fly in a park per say, and mostly its damn near indestructable and the replacement parts are cheap. Like 4 Bucks for a complete frame on banggood. 10/10 for me
I replaced the camera in my Mobula7 with the Caddx Firefly. It seems to work pretty well. I just put a little padding between the brace and the back of the camera board to hold it tight.
Great info as always! I just picked up the Beta75Pro2 and love it both indoor and out. I'd love to hear how you feel it stacks up against the 75x and mobula7.
Nice comparison... thanks Joshua! I plan on developing a micro cinematic qwad with a caddx turtle on it and I'm looking for the most stable and smooth flying tiny...
Where these machines really shine is: AcroBee - best (well, of these 4) furniture flying and/or tight track experience with mockingbird setup. TinyHawk - the most easy to fly micro for beginners with default rates, AND probably the best performing indoor track flier overall with some setup, can also run FlightOne and is not that bad outdoors either. Mobula7 - best at falling apart, HappyModel quality never disappoints 🙄. 75X - crazy outdoor flier that really shouldn't be called a whoop and would be perfect with slightly bigger props and no ducts. If you only want one of these, I think TinyHawk is the best value for your money by far. If you can afford 2, I'd recommend the new Beta75 Pro 2 for outdoors and diy proper whoop with AlienWhoop Zer0 board and Tiny Whoop Awesomesauce motors (I have way over 20 hours with my first set and they are still going strong btw). Nothing you can configure in BetaFlight will ever make your whoop fly as good as Silverware, or even as stock Inductrix for that matter.
in relation to the mobula7 cam ... i think there is a canopy on thingyverse, so you can use a caddx turbo eos2, i came across some info about that. As my mobula7 is still in the mail, I haven't looked closer into that yet
Another great review JB. Would like to mention, while deciding, that if you have a Spectrum, your choices are more limited. I won't buy Emax, as they didn't offer a Spectrum option. Good info.
Jb awesome review. I have the 65x, 75x I modded to a HD whoop and the emax. You are pretty spot on but.......Put the Tinyhawk on project mockingbird settings and you may feel differently about it particularly inside and a racing standpoint. Just try it. Qreacher did a fantastic job with that tuning and made me say I will never buy another brushed again.
Happy Sunday thank you for the great videos gust ordered the mobula 7 can u recommend some battery that u think are great for it thank u for ur time ur amazing
Great video, Joshua. Thanks especially for the honest evaluation of the TinyHawk. I own one and have come to the same conclusion as you; they’re great for cruising, but not so great at everything else. That being said, I’m not a TinyHawk hater. There are times when I just feel like some relaxing cruising about and for that I enjoy my TinyHawk. For everything else? The Mobula7.
New to FPV with the Tinyhawk 2. Still learning to fly ibut I am more comfortable flying it outside than inside. Only problem is we have had a constant breeze blowing the past couple months. I think a tiny whoop style would be perfect to fly indoors. Any current gen tiny whoop style drones you would recommend?
I'm also really interested in the noise profile of these little quads. When flying in or around the house a very high pitch sounding quad could be annoying. The original tiny whoop was almost whisper mode
Good choice the 85x is a good lil thing too well as long as they fixed the spontaneous combustion issue mine burned on the first flight I have a ldarc gt85 on the way to replace it even tho it's way slower it's a tank
Hey JB RDQ has a upgrade canopy for the mobula 7 that fits a E0S2 caddx cam and also a 200mw vtx upgrade that would be a beast have it on order just waiting
Excellent and informative as always and totally on the money. I will say I am flying my 2 inch homebrew rather than my mobula7. The mobula7 flies probably better than all my quads. Maybe it's the betaflight 4.0 it comes with but eventually you get sick of doing another frame transplant and just go with the trusty 2 inch wrapped in carbon.
I really enjoyed this video, been a while since I tuned in. A good old skool Bardwell video with good explanation and points. A nice comparison. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Joshua.
What kind of motor was on the AcroBee? I am guessing standard. Could just be usefull to know. I am getting my AcroBee next week but I opted for the full kit so I have both Silver and Gold motor in the kit. Anyways I will be flying mostly indoors but will occasionally take it for a spin outside while it is good weather.
I’ve been running a FlexRC Ascent 2” frame on 2S with 4S capable, basic 2035 gemfans, on emax RS1106 6000kv motors, Runcam micro swift, F4 with OSD and 4in1 20amp ESC (GearBest brand). Had this quad for over 3 years now and I’ve never broke the frame or a motor and I really beat the crap out of it outdoors and in the sand when I was deployed to Kuwait and she kept on running even in 120+ F heat lol. Great video was very informative on the tinywhoop styles and was thinking about a 1S type whoop for indoors.
New to quads but have been flying FPV since 2002. Question, I always flew 900 mhz video and 433 mhz for RC. Video was absolutely rock solid. Now everything seems to be 5.8 ghz. What are the advantages aside from antenna size? Very impressed with penetration through obstacles but interference with 2.4 or 5.8 must be a pain
I know you can't test everything, but the FullSpeed TinyLeader would also be great to look and compare because it is brushless with 40mm props, 600mW IRC Tramp protocol vtx, and (the best part) Caddx Micro F2 or Caddx Turtle V2 HD camera. Please look at these if you can.
Hey Joshua long time fan, your videos are always great! Have there been any new Mobula 7 competitors? I am looking for the best indoor /outdoor and was wondering if there is anything else you like in this class? Thanks!
Good review!!!! I lovef lying brushed whoops and I own several. Also a Beecore with 7mm motors. Flies great. However since I have a Mobula 7 I don't fly the brushed that often anymore. On the M7 I've set the throttle scale in BetaFlight to 75% and it flies very controlable. And still I experience the exitement of 2S. I have no exprerience with the BetaFPV and Tinyhawk but I don't feel the need to buy them....
Currently it's cheaper to buy rather than build these style quads. How long till it moves into 3inch then 5inch? How long till building doesn't become viable? Is there a certain exclusion of liability when you get your customers to build their own? I'd be interested in a video on that Joshua, Thanks for the good work!
Hi Joshua, Can i start off by saying im loving ur channel, glad i found it, very informative and detailed imo. subbed! Really love this idea of having more than 1 drone/product reviewed at once. Wish id have found this a couple of months ago before i bought a generic whoop, still fun though :) Has yourself or anyone done this with similar priced goggles or other products related to the hobby? I ask because im struggling to make my mind up on what kind of 'budget FPV goggles' to purchase for my 1st pair. From what i can gather the top 3 seem to be 'FatShark Recon V2' or 'Eachine VRD3' or 'TopSky 1S'. Seems a few differences between them in terms of build quality (not heard much good about the 'TopSky 1S' as far as build quality goes though maybe im behind with any news on that?) with different reviewers saying they prefer X, Y or Z. Between the 3 there seems to be a great budget pair waiting to be made? General point....id love to see more direct comparison vids (head to head...to head) by reviewers and TH-camrs, especially for field tests and gear/parts/equipment in same price bracket. One review of 3 products about $100 is more helpful than 3 seperate reviews on 3 products imo as its easier for a viewer to see instantly whats performing best. I do believe though there would be an audience for both vids! Sorry to go off track with this but you seem very knowledgable so thought there'd be no harm asking for advice. Keep up the great work Sir and happy flying!
Nice review. One big question with these little quads is flight time. Some of them are pretty tragic (under 2 mins), whereas others can make 4 mins or so (depending on flying style of course). From a practical POV if you have dog hairs around in your house then the shafts on brushed motors clog up with hairs pretty easily if you crash behind/under furniture! I like a 75mm 1S brushless indoors although I agree that 65mm brushed is a bit easier for precision flying.
I own an acrobee, the tinyhawk, the snapper 6, and snapper 7. I have all mentioned 2s quads on the way, but due to high demand I've been waiting over a month with no promised delivery dates in sight. The snapper 7 is my favorite 1s indoor flyer because it feels locked in, has plenty of power, turtle mode, and the best battery life of the 4(I can hover for over 7 minutes on a single 550mAh batt). I hate the tiny hawk and you covered most of the reasons, but I also don't like the default tune. The snapper 6 is ridiculously fun, but with a battery that is gone in less than 90sec I barely fly it unless I want to show someone a super fast 65mm micro. Just my 2 cents. I just wanted to try to contribute my experiences to the knowledge base for micro-quads.
@@djs134 It doesn't appear that they are available anymore. They are labeled 'Crazepony 550mAh 1S 2.09WH'. It appears equivalent batteries are being sold by betafpv. They appear to be the same size as the stock 450mAh batteries. The capacity of 550mah was confirmed with my charger. I would like to clarify that the 7 min 15sec flight time is just holding a constant hover. Flight times may vary.
Sean McKagan I managed to find them on amazon available next week I think, I was looking before u responded. Based on that 7 min hover what do u get for all around indoor flight times? A guesstimate will do and thanks. I’m so torn on which brushless whoop to buy for mostly indoor flights. I really don’t want to deal with 2 min flights so I know that limits my options. I kinda want to see what the trashcan looks like for indoor 1s flight. Kinda leaning towards the snapper7 though
@@djs134 I'd say 4 to 5 minutes average. If you are new to fpv I'd suggest looking at the new acrobee lite with gold motors and 300mAh batteries. It is bulletproof, well designed, and super easy to control. I'm not totally sold on the lifespan of the micro brushless motors due to a failure of one after a crash. The only big issues I had with the snapper is the vtx overheating and the vtx simply not working on the factory default frequency. Just change video channels until you find one that works well.
Sean McKagan yeah I’m new to fpv and plan to fly a ton so based on the 5-10hr lifespan of brushes motors I was hoping for something bulletproof so to speak so I can just go nuts with. Thanks for the info
Beta 75X definitely is a hard whoop to fly indoors, but after a few months of racing I’ve gotten used to it and now I’m just as competitive as the other whoops. Imho ide go for a beebrain lite if I could have any whoop for indoor racing, that thing flies like it’s on rails
Josh you're great, love your videos. I don't think you gave tinyhawk enough credit - if you use Mockingbird settings and fly angle for racing its quite good. At least thats what i thought. Saying that, i love the design of the tinyhawk since prop loss is 0 after a ton of flying so can't wait for the 2s version. Cheers!
Before the end of 2019 I am sure we will see HD video recording on this style of tiny quads. It will be really fun because I am expecting this whole sub 250g category is going to explode due to regulations in Canada an the USA over the next few years. Plus it allows you to have a LOAD of fun in a smaller space without bothering other people.
Get caddx eos2 and 200mw vtx, get beta75 frame and you have perfect all round mobula Joshua. I fly it on 550mah outdoors getting about 6min of flight times extra weight of a lipo makes freestyle a little easier. I'm a member of a local fpv club and often I help people with the first step to fpv, mobula or in the future trashcan will be the first recommendation after they got out of the sim. What I would like from you my dear friend is talk about the durability of the motors ball bering vs bushing what handle the crashes better? Thank you for quality content keep up with the good work cheers
Ball bearing motors are smoother, more powerful, and more durable. It's one reason why Acrobee still hasn't transitioned to brushless. Because in that small size, only bushing motors are available and Newbeedrone doesn't trust them.
@@JoshuaBardwell in that case when my mobula motors die will replace em with betafpv motors I just wasn't sure about little ball bearings. As always your response to the comments is rapid thank you Joshua 👍👍
another great review. I'm loving how professional your video editing is becoming looks really good. I Why didnt you also compare or mention your BetaFPV Meteor 65mm 1s Brushless Whoop? Seems like it would have been a better option to compare to the other brushless whoops. Also I hear the Mobula 6 1s Brushless Whoop is the best 1S brushless whoop to date. It would be cool if you could compare that to one of these induxtrix "king" of 1s Whoop racing. I cant belive that a 1s brushed quad is better at anything compared to a 1s brushless Whoop like the Meteor 65 or Mobula 6. I would love to see the brushed induxtrix dethroned.
My mobula 7 had a bad camera and vtx upon arrival replaced with a runcam nano and vtx, I don't have a problem with the throttle on 2s it is a blast inside and out, just wish the batteries lasted longer.
Now that the Emax TinyhawkS is out which one would you recommend? I just bought the TinyhawkS today for $88 after watching your Banggood Summer sale Video and will most likely be modifying it with an XT30 connector with a capacitor and buy all 2S LiPo's and if I want to fly indoors during the winter months I'll just adjust the throttle to 50%. IMO I'd have to say the TinyhawkS beats them all now that it's out.
I almost bought the Beta75 but chose to go with the KingKong 115. I figured that if the beta75 was gonna be my small outdoor flyer they why not go with a 2s/3s and have the extra power of the 3s KingKong 115. Its due in next week so I hope I made a good choice.
JB you need to try enabling the BF crash detection feature on one of these whoops before you claim acro mode is impossible indoors. It basically recovers just as quickly as when you are in stabilised mode.
Josh, could you look at the UK65/US65, probably the best brushless 65mm whoop? It would be great to get your opinion on that compared to these. I feel like that one might beat out the Acrobee because I think it has every advantage of the Acrobee, but also many of the advantages of brushless whoops.
Nice Joshua, have you tried the Snapper7. It's a 75mm brushless but is 1s only. So far it the only one i reckon that flies indoors and outdoors with no issue. Not to fast that its crazy indoors and not to slow that it cant fly in small winds outdoors. Also people upgrade the mobula camera to the EOS Caddx.
Great video Joshua!!! Try the Mobula 7 at night. Line of sight it has red and white LEDs that show where the front is really well as they light up the frame. FPV the camera does really well in a partially lit environment. The beep makes it easy to find along with the LEDs. I think 🤔 they design was made for winter and The lack of daylight. The new V2 frame is proving to be almost indestructible even in the cold 🥶. Fingers crossed no breaks yet. Thanks.
You're lucky, I've had v2 frames break on the first hit. They're not great, but are somewhat better than v1. V3 is out now, which is the same frame as the trashcan but clear (happymodel manufactures the trashcan for Eachine)
Hi Josh, Great Review and I appreciate the video and I also agree that the real tiny whoop is brushed and these new whoops are going to be the next best thing but I rather stay with 1s to 2s rather than 3s. Thanks again for the information.
Hi Joshua, that was a nice review. I really wonder why everybody is talking about 75er frame whoops. To me the definition of a tiny whoop is the size of a 65 frame with ducts. So a tiny whoop 2.0 should be like the BetaFPV 65 Pro 2 or similar. I have the BetaFPV 65X (=65 Pro 2 plus 3g). It flies great! Curious to see your opinion.
Hi Joshua, You can fit the Caddax Tubo Eos 2 on the Mobula7, but you'll need a different Canope. My order is allready out and I'm upgradeing to 200mW as well for better Video! Are there some reasonable Motors for it with bearings?
One of the best comparative videos I've seen so far.
Thanks for this 4in1 review! I have a Mobula7 and really enjoy it outdoors (at least I did until the temperatures dropped, summer greetings to Stew). But I struggle indoors, even on 1S or 2S with throttle limit, especially in angle mode. With the Mob7 being increasingly popular I think a tuning guide would be a nice idea for an upcoming video. Something similar to the Project Mockingbird recommendations (like linear rates and some throttle mixing for yaw) but tailored to 2S Whoops.
Now Liftoff needs a Bardwell indoor track
7bikerboy7 liftoff needs general a whoop track and whoops
@@herbertplatzer2172 I've been thinking for a while that tiny whoop drones and flying environments would be a great addition to Liftoff.
sixtofive it’s pretty difficult to add Whoops to the Liftoff, and they said that they have no resources for it.
Tiny hawk coming out with 2s coming soon
Yeeeeees!
Mobula indoors with:
throttle mid=~30
throttle expo=60
and you’re done.
I find the throttle limit approach doesn’t give you the option for times you might need a quick punch to stop you from either hitting the floor or obstacles.
I'm wanting to grab a tinywhoop and was thinking I'd go 2s with a throttle limit. But that is a great idea^
Im totally mounting my receiver antennas the same way you did on your beta 75. I realized that was what was giving me video issues and ive been trying to think of a way to mount them to get them away from the vtx. Thanks Bardwell, I got learnt today.
Thanks
Quick suggestion - next time please make sure throttle % is on the OSD for each. It was for the 2S, but not the acrobee. It helps the comparison.
It's there under the fly min
Never mind I was wrong sorry for the missinfo
After about 3 days of looking at betaflight gui, I had lift off for the first time today with my 75x. Thankyou for your betaflight for beginners playlist. Yeah i'm hooked. I need more batteries.. Thanks for the help and all the good things you do for everyone getting into the worrld of fpv.
I just want to say Josh that you are one of the best contributors to TH-cam.
I saw a recommendation for an FPV video (mr Steele I think ) one month ago and I just knew I had to try this hobby.
I searched ‘learn FPV’ and your videos popped up, today I flew my micro around the backyard for a whole 1s lipoHV battery without crashing. ONE MONTH from learning about the hobby to a full battery FPV flight. You’re amazing!
I couldn’t have figured out all the gear I needed this quick and worked out OpenTX, Betatlight, Pids ETC. thank you!!!
Edit: Oscar Liang’s resources on his website are also invaluable
Thanks for the kind words! Welcome to the hobby!
Again , I ask, who are these people that thumbs-down a video like this?? I mean, seriously...... What else do you need? Nice work, as always Joshua.
Good review! I bought a Mobula7 and absolutely love this thing. Indoor on 1s out door 2s. It's just as much fun as my 5in. Less stuff to carry around all the time. More pure enjoyment! Great review!
In pro automotive racing you have different cars for different kinds of tracks. I worked in NASCAR for 10 years and we had 10 different designed chassis to use depending on the track. Cars look the same but depending on which track they are going to be on dictates how you build the car. Makes sense for kwads. Great video.
You're so right about the camera. I feel like I'm flying blind anytime there's any sort of bright light. Otherwise, I love this little thing! Maybe they'll have a V2 for the camera like they did with the frame.
This is the route I should have gone instead of the Eachine E511S I got to get started flying quads. I'm so glad I found your channel! This video is a little old, but I hope you get this thank you, Joshua!
Nice comparison, I'm glad you discussed the differences and demonstrated them nicely with the different flights!
Great video. I saw your previous video on the EMAX Tinyhawk and yep- I got it. My first tiny whoop quad. Only flown indoors and found it awesome. Tomorrow is her first outdoor maiden. Cheers and appreciate your videos. Cheers. :) oh yeah I got the rtf version...awesome!
11:04 I think the camera angle and FOV is whats preventing you to fly precisely. The acrobee and fx805 cameras have the perfect fov and angle (20 degrees) for indoor flying.
Good job, thanks for the review! About the Beta 75x, I am flying it at home under tables and chairs and other tight spots without problem, it takes some to time find the right rates.
Great review JB! I have the Tinyhawk and Mobula7 and agree with everything you've said here about them. Right now, I'm all about the Mobula7. It's more fun outdoor (acro/2S) but I feel I have way more control on an indoor whoop track (stab/1S). I've read in the comments here about the "mockingbird" tune so now off the see if that helps my Tinyhawk fly better. Thanks for doing what you do!
Okay, thank you to those who recommended the Mockingbird tune. It is vastly better, I can now put my Tinyhawk thru any gap.
Great roundup Joshua! I absolutely love my M7 rocking the V2 frame (although powerloop into frozen ground destroyed the first one) Indoor 50% throttle limit using 2S works like a charm! Rateprofiles switchable via OSD=Bonus! 👍🏻
I want a tinywhoop and was thinking I should grab 2s and put a throttle limit on. Glad to hear that is a good idea. Any whoops you recommend these days?
I would love a vid like this with all the cinewhoops.
Another whoop you didnt mention is the ur65/us65/uk65 these guys are so much fun indoors. Brushless so they are not going to wear out as fast as a brushed and 1s with pretty good flight times and power. Run it with a project mokingbird tune and its even more amazing. Great video as always.
Watching 30 sec and already knowing I’ll see every second! Just the video I need because I’m thinking about buying a micro brushless. Thnx man!
did you buy one? I think I'm about to get the mob7. UAVFutures has me sold on it. But he had me sold on the tinyhawk too
It's 5:09AM here in AK I'll watch the rest after some sleep 😴 looking forward to it!!! Cheers JB 🍻
Great video to start 2019 with and well worth 30 minutes of my time. My Mobula 7 should be arriving this week from Banggood and also have 2 spare V2 frames on order. But what about the other whoops like the Kingkong LDARC GT7 and GT8? Then there's the FullSpeed Tiny Leader that runs on 3S and can't wait for your thoughts on it as it is in my basket ready to order.
You should try one of the 65mm brushless quads like the US65
The US65 frame is very fragile compared to the UR65, i suggest replacing the frame when it breaks. (with a ur65 one)
@@razorshark4 Yes agree, my UK65 frame broke in one battery, UR65 frame has lasted months. I think the hydro dipping weakens it
I have one its great indoors and way better outdoors than a whoop
Yeah I'm making the jump to brushless and was looking at the M7 or trashcan, but was honest with my primarily indoor flying and ordered the US65. I forgot to order spare frames...
@@Phrancis5 You can always glue up the frame if you break it till you get a spare one enjoy your quad :)
Phew! I was hoping that you would come down to exactly this conclusion and you did. Good investment just became better. Although, i really feel like the mobula needs throttle cut and 1s to be a real deal indoors. Thx Joshua - really nice review.
What about Trashcan.?
When it comes in the mail, I'll review it :-)
Yeah, should have waited till you got the trashcan and done a comparison of all together. That one is in the same class and has some good reviews cf the mobula, so would have been good to have your thoughts on the whole set of current models in this class.
There will always be a next product. If he followed your policy he’d always be waiting!
Pretty much this, also most will still be waiting for their trashcan to turn up still. I know I am.
I'm holding onto hope for a 2S Tinyhawk, but the Trashcan looks really sweet. I think it looks like the best whoop out there. Hopefully JB revisits this soon with a review of it.
You Truly make some of the Best,most Informative videos I've Seen!! i'm moving up from toy grades,and i'm Glad i found Your Channel!! i just got the Jumper T12 radio, and Excited to get my FPV On!! Beta 75 i think will be me First Buy! its Awesome! Thanks for All the Great Content on here!!
Thanks Joshua, I was considering my next quad to update from my original Tiny Whoop. Can't wait to watch this review.
For race courses like that my go to is the URUAV UR65 upgraded to 19000kv motors. Great power for corrections but subtle enough for precision. May be a little old now but it's one of my most favorite quads I own.
Thanks for the review shootout! It help a great deal on removing the doubt I had on my own purchase.
Great video. Many of my comments have already been made (Trashcan, Mocking bird)... Nearly bought the V1 Mobula and when I saw the breakage decided on the Tinyhawk. These small form factor quads are coming out so fast and improving faster than Moore's law. Don't forget the Babyhawk ;)
The Babyhawk is a fantastic flyer! But it would be real unfair to compare it with any of these, it is closer to a 2" quad than a whoop :P
I have gotten the m7 3 months ago and since i have never touched my 6s 5 inch or my 3s 2 inch again.
It just works, its versatile, powerful, fun, it really doesnt bother anyone if I fly in a park per say, and mostly its damn near indestructable and the replacement parts are cheap. Like 4 Bucks for a complete frame on banggood.
10/10 for me
I replaced the camera in my Mobula7 with the Caddx Firefly. It seems to work pretty well. I just put a little padding between the brace and the back of the camera board to hold it tight.
Great info as always! I just picked up the Beta75Pro2 and love it both indoor and out. I'd love to hear how you feel it stacks up against the 75x and mobula7.
Nice comparison... thanks Joshua!
I plan on developing a micro cinematic qwad with a caddx turtle on it and I'm looking for the most stable and smooth flying tiny...
Great review JB. Seriously looking at the tinyhawk AIO package.
Where these machines really shine is: AcroBee - best (well, of these 4) furniture flying and/or tight track experience with mockingbird setup. TinyHawk - the most easy to fly micro for beginners with default rates, AND probably the best performing indoor track flier overall with some setup, can also run FlightOne and is not that bad outdoors either. Mobula7 - best at falling apart, HappyModel quality never disappoints 🙄. 75X - crazy outdoor flier that really shouldn't be called a whoop and would be perfect with slightly bigger props and no ducts. If you only want one of these, I think TinyHawk is the best value for your money by far. If you can afford 2, I'd recommend the new Beta75 Pro 2 for outdoors and diy proper whoop with AlienWhoop Zer0 board and Tiny Whoop Awesomesauce motors (I have way over 20 hours with my first set and they are still going strong btw). Nothing you can configure in BetaFlight will ever make your whoop fly as good as Silverware, or even as stock Inductrix for that matter.
Got a US65 for Xmas and I haven't had this much fun in a long time flying. Tweaked with Mockingbird and its spot on.
in relation to the mobula7 cam ... i think there is a canopy on thingyverse, so you can use a caddx turbo eos2, i came across some info about that. As my mobula7 is still in the mail, I haven't looked closer into that yet
You can purchase an eos2 canopy and even a drop in vtx for it, happymodel released it about a week ago and they're both available at pyrodrone
Another great review JB. Would like to mention, while deciding, that if you have a Spectrum, your choices are more limited. I won't buy Emax, as they didn't offer a Spectrum option. Good info.
From the footage seems that the beta 75x has an extreme camera angle for indoors. You can try cutting the shell a little bit.
I think the urauv65/us65 etc. Fills in the gap for the better indoor flying. It's crap outside but indoors it rocks
Jb awesome review. I have the 65x, 75x I modded to a HD whoop and the emax. You are pretty spot on but.......Put the Tinyhawk on project mockingbird settings and you may feel differently about it particularly inside and a racing standpoint. Just try it. Qreacher did a fantastic job with that tuning and made me say I will never buy another brushed again.
Happy Sunday thank you for the great videos gust ordered the mobula 7 can u recommend some battery that u think are great for it thank u for ur time ur amazing
Great video, Joshua. Thanks especially for the honest evaluation of the TinyHawk. I own one and have come to the same conclusion as you; they’re great for cruising, but not so great at everything else. That being said, I’m not a TinyHawk hater. There are times when I just feel like some relaxing cruising about and for that I enjoy my TinyHawk. For everything else? The Mobula7.
New to FPV with the Tinyhawk 2. Still learning to fly ibut I am more comfortable flying it outside than inside. Only problem is we have had a constant breeze blowing the past couple months.
I think a tiny whoop style would be perfect to fly indoors. Any current gen tiny whoop style drones you would recommend?
Awesome review with all the crap weather lately i have been unable to fly outside for weeks need one of these soon
Really loved watching your furniture flying footage there... kinda sparked my interest for doing the same
I'm also really interested in the noise profile of these little quads. When flying in or around the house a very high pitch sounding quad could be annoying. The original tiny whoop was almost whisper mode
I own the beta75x. Flying indoor ls is challenging because of the power no doubt. Great work Joshua.
Dude sweet video! This helped me so much with what I was looking for, Beta75 on the way!
Good choice the 85x is a good lil thing too well as long as they fixed the spontaneous combustion issue mine burned on the first flight I have a ldarc gt85 on the way to replace it even tho it's way slower it's a tank
Hey JB RDQ has a upgrade canopy for the mobula 7 that fits a E0S2 caddx cam and also a 200mw vtx upgrade that would be a beast have it on order just waiting
I absolutely cracked up when you just tossed that “whoop”!!!!!
You can get a crossfire rx version of the 75x from betafpvs site. Not that its needed on these but its cool.
Pretty nice, JB. 😊
Looking forward to your review of the Trashcan and the Tiny Leader. 😊
Excellent and informative as always and totally on the money. I will say I am flying my 2 inch homebrew rather than my mobula7. The mobula7 flies probably better than all my quads. Maybe it's the betaflight 4.0 it comes with but eventually you get sick of doing another frame transplant and just go with the trusty 2 inch wrapped in carbon.
I really enjoyed this video, been a while since I tuned in. A good old skool Bardwell video with good explanation and points. A nice comparison. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Joshua.
What kind of motor was on the AcroBee? I am guessing standard. Could just be usefull to know. I am getting my AcroBee next week but I opted for the full kit so I have both Silver and Gold motor in the kit. Anyways I will be flying mostly indoors but will occasionally take it for a spin outside while it is good weather.
Great round-up! So glad to hear you love the Beta 75x as that is my current quad I'm ripping around.
I’ve been running a FlexRC Ascent 2” frame on 2S with 4S capable, basic 2035 gemfans, on emax RS1106 6000kv motors, Runcam micro swift, F4 with OSD and 4in1 20amp ESC (GearBest brand). Had this quad for over 3 years now and I’ve never broke the frame or a motor and I really beat the crap out of it outdoors and in the sand when I was deployed to Kuwait and she kept on running even in 120+ F heat lol. Great video was very informative on the tinywhoop styles and was thinking about a 1S type whoop for indoors.
18:39 Cadxx makes a replacement then put a tiny TBS Nano VTX on like I did
New to quads but have been flying FPV since 2002. Question, I always flew 900 mhz video and 433 mhz for RC. Video was absolutely rock solid. Now everything seems to be 5.8 ghz. What are the advantages aside from antenna size? Very impressed with penetration through obstacles but interference with 2.4 or 5.8 must be a pain
I know you can't test everything, but the FullSpeed TinyLeader would also be great to look and compare because it is brushless with 40mm props, 600mW IRC Tramp protocol vtx, and (the best part) Caddx Micro F2 or Caddx Turtle V2 HD camera. Please look at these if you can.
love your vids Josh. is it fair to comp a 1s against 2s. keeep up the great vids for new and old flyers. also cheers for your help in the past
Is it fair? That's kind of the question this video is supposed to help you answer for yourself.
Can't wait for you to review the Trashcan and 2S Tinyhawk
Hey Joshua long time fan, your videos are always great! Have there been any new Mobula 7 competitors? I am looking for the best indoor /outdoor and was wondering if there is anything else you like in this class? Thanks!
I think the Mobula6 may be even better than the Mobula7.
@@JoshuaBardwell thank you for the reply, your the best
Good review!!!! I lovef lying brushed whoops and I own several. Also a Beecore with 7mm motors. Flies great. However since I have a Mobula 7 I don't fly the brushed that often anymore. On the M7 I've set the throttle scale in BetaFlight to 75% and it flies very controlable. And still I experience the exitement of 2S. I have no exprerience with the BetaFPV and Tinyhawk but I don't feel the need to buy them....
Thanks man, will be picking up a mobula 7!
Thanks Joshua I was captivated and watched the whole thing!
I love flying my 75x indoors. Just print an adjustable camera mount and you’re golden.
Loving the video and great choices for quads! What about the inductrix bl vs a inductrix fpv plus for a future video??
thanks so much, Joshua. i keep learning to you, have a great day, best wishes for you ;)
Currently it's cheaper to buy rather than build these style quads. How long till it moves into 3inch then 5inch? How long till building doesn't become viable? Is there a certain exclusion of liability when you get your customers to build their own? I'd be interested in a video on that Joshua, Thanks for the good work!
Great to see JB, nicely done as always👏
Hi Joshua,
Can i start off by saying im loving ur channel, glad i found it, very informative and detailed imo. subbed!
Really love this idea of having more than 1 drone/product reviewed at once. Wish id have found this a couple of months ago before i bought a generic whoop, still fun though :)
Has yourself or anyone done this with similar priced goggles or other products related to the hobby? I ask because im struggling to make my mind up on what kind of 'budget FPV goggles' to purchase for my 1st pair. From what i can gather the top 3 seem to be 'FatShark Recon V2' or 'Eachine VRD3' or 'TopSky 1S'. Seems a few differences between them in terms of build quality (not heard much good about the 'TopSky 1S' as far as build quality goes though maybe im behind with any news on that?) with different reviewers saying they prefer X, Y or Z. Between the 3 there seems to be a great budget pair waiting to be made?
General point....id love to see more direct comparison vids (head to head...to head) by reviewers and TH-camrs, especially for field tests and gear/parts/equipment in same price bracket. One review of 3 products about $100 is more helpful than 3 seperate reviews on 3 products imo as its easier for a viewer to see instantly whats performing best. I do believe though there would be an audience for both vids!
Sorry to go off track with this but you seem very knowledgable so thought there'd be no harm asking for advice.
Keep up the great work Sir and happy flying!
Nice review. One big question with these little quads is flight time. Some of them are pretty tragic (under 2 mins), whereas others can make 4 mins or so (depending on flying style of course). From a practical POV if you have dog hairs around in your house then the shafts on brushed motors clog up with hairs pretty easily if you crash behind/under furniture! I like a 75mm 1S brushless indoors although I agree that 65mm brushed is a bit easier for precision flying.
I own an acrobee, the tinyhawk, the snapper 6, and snapper 7. I have all mentioned 2s quads on the way, but due to high demand I've been waiting over a month with no promised delivery dates in sight. The snapper 7 is my favorite 1s indoor flyer because it feels locked in, has plenty of power, turtle mode, and the best battery life of the 4(I can hover for over 7 minutes on a single 550mAh batt). I hate the tiny hawk and you covered most of the reasons, but I also don't like the default tune. The snapper 6 is ridiculously fun, but with a battery that is gone in less than 90sec I barely fly it unless I want to show someone a super fast 65mm micro. Just my 2 cents. I just wanted to try to contribute my experiences to the knowledge base for micro-quads.
Sean McKagan can u send me a link of that 550 battery your using?
@@djs134 It doesn't appear that they are available anymore. They are labeled 'Crazepony 550mAh 1S 2.09WH'. It appears equivalent batteries are being sold by betafpv. They appear to be the same size as the stock 450mAh batteries. The capacity of 550mah was confirmed with my charger. I would like to clarify that the 7 min 15sec flight time is just holding a constant hover. Flight times may vary.
Sean McKagan I managed to find them on amazon available next week I think, I was looking before u responded. Based on that 7 min hover what do u get for all around indoor flight times? A guesstimate will do and thanks. I’m so torn on which brushless whoop to buy for mostly indoor flights. I really don’t want to deal with 2 min flights so I know that limits my options. I kinda want to see what the trashcan looks like for indoor 1s flight. Kinda leaning towards the snapper7 though
@@djs134 I'd say 4 to 5 minutes average. If you are new to fpv I'd suggest looking at the new acrobee lite with gold motors and 300mAh batteries. It is bulletproof, well designed, and super easy to control. I'm not totally sold on the lifespan of the micro brushless motors due to a failure of one after a crash. The only big issues I had with the snapper is the vtx overheating and the vtx simply not working on the factory default frequency. Just change video channels until you find one that works well.
Sean McKagan yeah I’m new to fpv and plan to fly a ton so based on the 5-10hr lifespan of brushes motors I was hoping for something bulletproof so to speak so I can just go nuts with. Thanks for the info
Beta 75X definitely is a hard whoop to fly indoors, but after a few months of racing I’ve gotten used to it and now I’m just as competitive as the other whoops. Imho ide go for a beebrain lite if I could have any whoop for indoor racing, that thing flies like it’s on rails
Josh you're great, love your videos. I don't think you gave tinyhawk enough credit - if you use Mockingbird settings and fly angle for racing its quite good. At least thats what i thought. Saying that, i love the design of the tinyhawk since prop loss is 0 after a ton of flying so can't wait for the 2s version. Cheers!
Before the end of 2019 I am sure we will see HD video recording on this style of tiny quads. It will be really fun because I am expecting this whole sub 250g category is going to explode due to regulations in Canada an the USA over the next few years. Plus it allows you to have a LOAD of fun in a smaller space without bothering other people.
Can you do a mobula 7 vs trashcan for the tiny whoop 2s crown?
I love your stinger transitions Joshua, where are you sourcing them from?
Epidemic Sound.
Get caddx eos2 and 200mw vtx, get beta75 frame and you have perfect all round mobula Joshua. I fly it on 550mah outdoors getting about 6min of flight times extra weight of a lipo makes freestyle a little easier.
I'm a member of a local fpv club and often I help people with the first step to fpv, mobula or in the future trashcan will be the first recommendation after they got out of the sim.
What I would like from you my dear friend is talk about the durability of the motors ball bering vs bushing what handle the crashes better?
Thank you for quality content keep up with the good work cheers
Ball bearing motors are smoother, more powerful, and more durable. It's one reason why Acrobee still hasn't transitioned to brushless. Because in that small size, only bushing motors are available and Newbeedrone doesn't trust them.
@@JoshuaBardwell in that case when my mobula motors die will replace em with betafpv motors I just wasn't sure about little ball bearings. As always your response to the comments is rapid thank you Joshua 👍👍
another great review. I'm loving how professional your video editing is becoming looks really good. I Why didnt you also compare or mention your BetaFPV Meteor 65mm 1s Brushless Whoop? Seems like it would have been a better option to compare to the other brushless whoops. Also I hear the Mobula 6 1s Brushless Whoop is the best 1S brushless whoop to date. It would be cool if you could compare that to one of these induxtrix "king" of 1s Whoop racing. I cant belive that a 1s brushed quad is better at anything compared to a 1s brushless Whoop like the Meteor 65 or Mobula 6. I would love to see the brushed induxtrix dethroned.
My mobula 7 had a bad camera and vtx upon arrival replaced with a runcam nano and vtx, I don't have a problem with the throttle on 2s it is a blast inside and out, just wish the batteries lasted longer.
Now that the Emax TinyhawkS is out which one would you recommend? I just bought the TinyhawkS today for $88 after watching your Banggood Summer sale Video and will most likely be modifying it with an XT30 connector with a capacitor and buy all 2S LiPo's and if I want to fly indoors during the winter months I'll just adjust the throttle to 50%. IMO I'd have to say the TinyhawkS beats them all now that it's out.
those tiny brushless whoops are getting better and better
I almost bought the Beta75 but chose to go with the KingKong 115. I figured that if the beta75 was gonna be my small outdoor flyer they why not go with a 2s/3s and have the extra power of the 3s KingKong 115. Its due in next week so I hope I made a good choice.
JB you need to try enabling the BF crash detection feature on one of these whoops before you claim acro mode is impossible indoors. It basically recovers just as quickly as when you are in stabilised mode.
Josh, could you look at the UK65/US65, probably the best brushless 65mm whoop? It would be great to get your opinion on that compared to these. I feel like that one might beat out the Acrobee because I think it has every advantage of the Acrobee, but also many of the advantages of brushless whoops.
Nice Joshua, have you tried the Snapper7. It's a 75mm brushless but is 1s only. So far it the only one i reckon that flies indoors and outdoors with no issue. Not to fast that its crazy indoors and not to slow that it cant fly in small winds outdoors. Also people upgrade the mobula camera to the EOS Caddx.
Excellent comparison. I love all your videos, they are super helpful.
Great video. Not sure Furniture Flying will take off as a genre. How about Domestic Freestyle?
Hi JB! Sorry, in the links for purchase the mob7, i 've can' t find the V2 on black and durable frame... You can say us??? Thanks in advanced....
Great video Joshua!!!
Try the Mobula 7 at night. Line of sight it has red and white LEDs that show where the front is really well as they light up the frame.
FPV the camera does really well in a partially lit environment.
The beep makes it easy to find along with the LEDs.
I think 🤔 they design was made for winter and The lack of daylight.
The new V2 frame is proving to be almost indestructible even in the cold 🥶. Fingers crossed no breaks yet.
Thanks.
You're lucky, I've had v2 frames break on the first hit. They're not great, but are somewhat better than v1. V3 is out now, which is the same frame as the trashcan but clear (happymodel manufactures the trashcan for Eachine)
@@jslinkman4230 Do you have a link to the new frame?
Hi Josh, Great Review and I appreciate the video and I also agree that the real tiny whoop is brushed and these new whoops are going to be the next best thing but I rather stay with 1s to 2s rather than 3s. Thanks again for the information.
Hi Joshua, that was a nice review.
I really wonder why everybody is talking about 75er frame whoops.
To me the definition of a tiny whoop is the size of a 65 frame with ducts. So a tiny whoop 2.0 should be like the BetaFPV 65 Pro 2 or similar.
I have the BetaFPV 65X (=65 Pro 2 plus 3g). It flies great! Curious to see your opinion.
Hi Joshua,
You can fit the Caddax Tubo Eos 2 on the Mobula7, but you'll need a different Canope.
My order is allready out and I'm upgradeing to 200mW as well for better Video!
Are there some reasonable Motors for it with bearings?