Why you aren’t talking about the plethora of problems Toyota os having with quality control and power train 🤔 you should be telling/informing people since you are a Toyota guy at heart 😒
ikr. they went absolutely bonkers. I don't buy it's just because of inflation or whatever, they are really expensive and sadly people will still buy them using credit.
You could buy a new gx550 overtrail for about the same price, or save some money and buy the 550 premium. I would rather drop 70k on a lexus than a toyota.
good luck getting one at MSRP for 70k....they are selling now in Calif at 20-30k mark up per and are sold as soon as they hit the lot at that price of 90-100k
@@fseb233 My local Lexus dealer in Texas is selling them at MSRP. I actually spoke with a salesman at that dealership and they never markup any of their vehicles. That may be an anomaly, but it’s out there.
@cactuscanine3531 honestly, if your dropping 70k on a car, maintenence costs are not really a concern. Also, its toyota. Their costs will be almost the same.
The 4Runner seems like the more rugged, dedicated off-roader while the Land Cruiser seems much more refined and more daily driver friendly. I prefer the LC. The styling is MUCH more cohesive in my opinion, and I am not a major off-roader but want something relatively capable when the time comes.
It's highly unlikely the 4runner is not refined then either the LC250 or the GX550. Yes the 4runner has 9 avalible trims and likely will be much easier to modify especially sharing so much DNA with the Tacoma.
refined daily driver...you might as well get an Acura MDX elite or Type-S for literally the same price as an LC. LC has no purpose other than the 4WD, everything else its inferior to an MDX...They are gouging Toyota loyalists because anyone not loyal to the brand can see there are better alternatives elsewhere. I'll stick to Honda products, I don't need a top of the class 4WD, most people don't.
As a previous owner of two 4 runners including the TRD pro and a current owner of a Land Cruiser purchased in 2012. The 4Runner prices are ridiculous. The Land Cruiser is not really a step up.
@@JStryker7 if you think that new four-cylinder is going to be more capable, I got a bridge to sell you😂 you will get stuck with that pig on the trail, struggling to get its fat self out in the ditch
I like the look of the front end of the 4runner but I gotta say I think I’m overall more into the Land Cruiser, as much as it hurts me, with a lift and bigger tires with offset. Like the square headlights more than the round though.
Is the ride on the Land Cruiser better than the 4Runner? I know you haven't driven the 4Runner yet, but I'm assuming it will be the same as a tacoma. So how does it compare?
Thank you for this video. I almost got cold feet on my LC to wait for the 2025 4Runner. Definitely back to my gut when we saw the LC for the first time. Agree the back cargo area is a little cheap looking and feeling with the storage. Land Cruiser feel for sure. Curious about the gas for the 4Runner as LC is premium.
I love my V8 4thgen, Orginally I was thinking I would Team 4Runner but the LC 250 has really stolen my heart. Going to get an LC if I can't get my TRD Pro Taco 😅
Looking forward to your review of the 2026 4Runner SR5 when it becomes available in the fall🎉🎉 *also, did not realize that the 4runner has better ground clearance (9.2") vs the LC
I would get the LC. I've seen First Editions come with Nitto ATs straight from the factory and those more aggressive tires significantly improve the relatively mundane appearance of the LC (compared to the 4Runner). The LC deserves to wear real ATs anyway. Besides, it is easier to justify spending $70K on a LC than on a 4Runner. The LC is more refined in every way and can likely keep up with the 4Runner offroad in most conditions.
Chicken Tax. Americas dirty past has major effect on its future. It’s also why we can’t get many other cool vehicles. Type your question into a search bar and you’ll see. America is always the start of it.
I own a 200 series landcruiser. Super luxurious , fast , and great off road. Purchased new in 2019 for 77 g The new landcruisers look like a sardine can w wheels. Cheap looking exterior.
Both are grossly overpriced. Both will sit on dealer lots hopefully… I think we are almost hitting critical mass and now even the dumb people refuse to pay these prices…despite fanboy not hitting toyota for trying to rip people off
I'm personally going for the LC. If the GX was available with the hybrid, I would go for that. As for the LC vs 4R, I love the coolbox in the LC (a small feature, but great for me, as I travel extensively), the climate controls for the rear, and the full-time 4x4 across all trims. Both vehicles will be great, but the LC is the better fit for my needs.
I see a lot of people complaining about the prices of vehicles these days and hating on the automakers. But I never see them mention the horrible inflation we are experiencing. Do you realize in 2020 the fed added 40% to our money supply. Look up m2 money supply. Endless money printing weakens the purchasing power of the dollar. Do you think inflation only applies to eggs and milk? Do you see that the fed can print money for free but we all have to work for it? Prices go up for automakers as well, taxes, labor costs, material costs, etc. $70K is the new $50K it looks like.
I'd go with the 4runner without the hybrid system. More cargo room, cheaper and rear window goes down! I'm very curious where the 1958 vs SR5 or off road trims stack up with 1958 land cruiser price wise. I feel like all the trucks are so close in price, size, functionality...not making decisions easy!
@@AllenKrughoff car and driver did one recently. I believe I’ve also seen comparisons with the chassis and that it’s very close if not the same as the 300 series. This LC250 is one of, if not the closest the prado has been to the big LC. While the new 4Runner is on the same platform, I’m not sure it has the same beefy chassis.
They could’ve saved themselves 15 years of development and just put an 8spd transmission in the 5th gen 4Runner. The new Land Cruiser looks like a nice 6th gen 4Runner except that it’s missing the roll down rear window.
I think I’d have to go Landcruiser. Mostly because I already have a 5th gen 4Runner that’s dedicated to heavy use. I would want a more comfortable daily driver out of the new options. I also don’t like how the new 4Runner looks too much like the Tacoma inside and out.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I will say I want that new 4Runner. But the more I see the Land Cruiser, the more I think this is the real deal. Both are too expensive of course, but if price wasn't an issue, I think I would go with the LC.
Its like comparing the Jeep patriot to the Jeep Compass its the same rig with a different shell. Get the one you like the looks of or the one you can get the best deal on.
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies I did not compare Jeep to Toyota so that is not a mistake. This video is about the 4runner and landcruiser not any of those lexus offerings. I am sure i will make a bunch of mistakes today but none were made here. Enjoy your weekend 👍🏼.
I don’t understand why you don’t get the heritage emblem on the steering wheel as well as the grille. I have hated this emblem since they changed it in the early 90’s.
Imagine being glad of paying for a 2024 car released in 2009 with a 5 speed 80s transmission and an extremely outdated interior hahaha Imagine being this du mb
I bought 2023 definitely not dumb this guy super GAF. So reliability wise I get it. That 5 speed transmission and 4.0 V6 are bullet proof this guy must no nothing about 4 Runners. Although we really don't know how these 2025 Hybrids will hold up, I think I'll buy one just for MPGs alone. All the updates and more power might be worth it until everything brakes after the warranty is up and I'm wishing I still had the 2023...
@@Rapido20 this Toyota mechanic here disagrees. the new ones have recall nightmares currently, HE ISNT DUMB😂 The only dumb ones are the ones that pay that much for junk rather than the proven drivetrain that goes 300k miles and more🤡 THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME EMPLOYED THOUGH.😂 That old transmission will last longer on that older durable design vs the new one. FACTS ARE FACTS. He will be waving and driving by while the new one sits at the shop with me trying to figure out the new junk they come out with😂 Seriously the 90s was the peak of automotive mechanics, im sorry kids today can’t understand but there is reason why 90s toyotas STILL RUN TODAY!!!!😂 LIFE IS BETTER WITH NO WORRIES
That LC is hideous on the exterior. My choice between them is the 4R. However I’m annoyed with the new trucks from Toyota and won’t buy either. 2020/21 tundra all day long. Haha. Great vid bro!
That new 4Runner looks so good to me. But I definitely get why people are upset about the 4 cyl. The price is also crazy, but I’m not surprised, pretty much any cool higher trim level new car is outrageously expensive right now.
I just can't get over that tacked on volume knob in the Land Cruiser. It looks so cheap and out of place it would literally keep me from buying one so I wouldn't have to see it every day. New 4runner looks fantastic I really like it.
$70k is I agree with the other comments. Absurd. I just want a stock bone 4runner. good looking body, part time 4wd, and a engine that is known to last forever. Jeep is looking like the better option for a brand new vehicle nowadays.
Another small miss on the 4runner, but no lights in the hatch sucks for camping, doesnt look like any in the roof of the cargo area either, just the two down low. The 5th gen folding seats and flatter load floor will also be very much missed.
A $70k 4-cylinder turbo just doesn't add up for me. Styling aside, part of being "rugged" and "off-road capable" is being simple, reliable, and (dare I say) affordable. The tech features are a mixed bag, and overall I'm just not sold on any of these new Toyotas.
I bought a first edition a month ago. Delivery delayed twice so far. Dealer claims supply chain issues getting the fog lights and skid plate. Or I was scammed. Hmmmm
I dont like the styling of the new 4runner. The front end just seems too big for the size of the vehicle. It looks swollen next to the land cruiser's more chiseled squared off front. I hope we get a refresh that fixes the design like we did with the 5th gen.
I’ve been debating both of these platforms. I’m on a waiting list for a First Edition LC, but if I can’t get one, I’m not really interested in either of the other two trims. I currently DD a 2017 SR5 and it’s been solid, but once I’m ready I’ll probably go 4Runner again over LC. The two trims I’d probably consider would be either the Platinum with some sort of TRD setup like the Tundra or the TRD Pro. Good comparison video Jon.
The 1958 is the LC to buy imo. It has a lot of nice features without the price tag of the luxury bells and whistles. Reminds me of the TRD Rock Warrior and the early TRD pros
4Runner DOES have locked center diff, its a transfer case. Unlike the all wheel drive in the land cruiser that has a center differential, which would need to be locked to get 50/50 transfer, the RWD 4Runner already has the transfer case which is why it is RWD.
At 70k, I'd rather get a Rivian R1T than these things with more moving parts. If I have that kind of money, then I probably have a house too and the charging will not be an issue. Road trips are not an issue because I stop often enough for bathroom/beverage/snack/stretching anyways. 10 min top off every time I stop worked fine for me when I rented the Model 3 short range for two days on a road trip that I take frequently. And the Rivians bottom heavy weight distribution makes it far more stable and capable than these things. No dealership markup, no oil changes, no fluid changes, and brake changes are every 100k miles instead of every 30-40k miles. Lease rates on EVs are dirt cheap now too because they want people to try them out and see that they can make it work for them.
Underrated comment. I’m on the same page here. I test drove a Rivian and they are incredible. It’s not even the same class of vehicle but somehow the price is almost the same.
Does anybody expect to be taking a $90,000 CDN Land Cruiser off road? It’ll be great in the snow for sure, especially with all wheel drive and locking diffs.
Man that landcruiser looks soooo much cooler than the 4Runner… big glass, low beltline, upright windshield…. I’m sure the 4Runner will outsell the landcruiser like 7 to 1, so it will be a lot rarer…. I’d def go landcruiser if I had 65k to blow…. but with interest rates so high financing at 9% is dumb and paying cash and losing out on the 20%+ ror in the s&p or 6% ror in tbills/bonds is dumber… atleast I can watch TH-camrs test it and take it off-road
Why not give the LC250 the TRD Pro and Trailhunter treatment? Won’t it, 4Runner, Tundra, Tacoma, the facelifted LC300, and the next-gen Hilux each get the possible GR treatment just to show Ford’s Raptor family who’s boss?
I'd choose the 4-Runner. I need to probably trade ours in since it's a 1999. To be honest, I prefer the truck platform, and a narrower wheel base, but I know that's not an option anymore. And 70k?! Maybe we will keep ours another 20 years.
Here in East Tennessee, there is one stand out for me because we get a lot of rain and some snow. The Land Cruiser is the only model out of the two with full time all wheel drive
Toyota put out all this overlap of models and trims...yet so far it feels like none of them have the perfect combination of what I was looking for really.
Don't forget the FJ Cruiser is coming back. So as of 2025, you get to choose Highlander, FJ, 4Runner or Land-Cruiser because...............HEY, TOYOTA HOW MANY MID-SIZE SUV'S DO PEOPLE REALLY NEED ??? I guarantee one of those will be gone inside 5 years and it's not just a fight between unibody and body on frame.
Dealer said they stopped producing Land Cruisers and can't sell ones they have on the lot. Some kind of issue. Maybe just the roof rack thing. Maybe something bigger...
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LC looks better looking, but 4Runner is all the way to go. I love 4Runner tire
Why you aren’t talking about the plethora of problems Toyota os having with quality control and power train 🤔 you should be telling/informing people since you are a Toyota guy at heart 😒
I was thinking the same thing! 😅
$70k is absurd for a 4Runner. You can keep it.
Can't wait to get one in 5 years as a used car 😂
@@user-pp1jl1pc4xToyota fanboys are crazy. Expect to pay 50k for a used one
@@user-pp1jl1pc4x in 5 years its still going to be $70k used, all you'll get is 100k+ miles engine wear.
Yeah 70k is overdoing it
@@user-pp1jl1pc4x u guys underestimate toyota resell value. that shit is dipping by $2 and a wendy biggie bag
Shoot for $70,000 you might as well get the 2024 Lexus GX 550 Overtrail instead of the TRD Pro
70,000 what? DOLLARS?!?!
Welp, I’m out. Ridiculous
Disappointed in the auto industry. Good content Jon. Keep up the reviews.
Will do man!!!!! Thank you for the continued support. I appreciate it.
ikr. they went absolutely bonkers. I don't buy it's just because of inflation or whatever, they are really expensive and sadly people will still buy them using credit.
That doesn't make sense to me. You can get a Sequoia for nearly the same price
The last Land Cruiser was $90,000🤷♂
@user-jd9bu1oe8g much better than the actual model
You could buy a new gx550 overtrail for about the same price, or save some money and buy the 550 premium. I would rather drop 70k on a lexus than a toyota.
actually the premium is the cheapest
good luck getting one at MSRP for 70k....they are selling now in Calif at 20-30k mark up per and are sold as soon as they hit the lot at that price of 90-100k
Lexus vs Toyota maintenance cost comparison?
@@fseb233 My local Lexus dealer in Texas is selling them at MSRP. I actually spoke with a salesman at that dealership and they never markup any of their vehicles. That may be an anomaly, but it’s out there.
@cactuscanine3531 honestly, if your dropping 70k on a car, maintenence costs are not really a concern. Also, its toyota. Their costs will be almost the same.
Took delivery of my 1st edition Land Cruiser last night!! it's amazing!
You still love it ?
Fool!
How much did you pay total with delivery, dealership are giving me some crazy prices for the 1st edition
The 4Runner seems like the more rugged, dedicated off-roader while the Land Cruiser seems much more refined and more daily driver friendly.
I prefer the LC. The styling is MUCH more cohesive in my opinion, and I am not a major off-roader but want something relatively capable when the time comes.
Agreed, and after decades of driving part-time 4wd, I would like full time 4wd for snow country
It's highly unlikely the 4runner is not refined then either the LC250 or the GX550. Yes the 4runner has 9 avalible trims and likely will be much easier to modify especially sharing so much DNA with the Tacoma.
My sentiments exactly. 👍🏼
refined daily driver...you might as well get an Acura MDX elite or Type-S for literally the same price as an LC. LC has no purpose other than the 4WD, everything else its inferior to an MDX...They are gouging Toyota loyalists because anyone not loyal to the brand can see there are better alternatives elsewhere. I'll stick to Honda products, I don't need a top of the class 4WD, most people don't.
@PWCDN you lost everyone comparing an MDX to a LC250. Completely irrelevant comments
My lord just when I was 100% certain I want a Land Cruiser Toyota come out with this beautiful 4Runner
Land Cruiser is for the country gentleman. 4Runner is for the boys who want to send it.
Most 4Runners are pavement princesses…
I don't think boys can afford a 70K truck. Or most men for that matter
@@thadlm2698most SUVs are these days lmao
@@MaddNomad1015 That is also correct.
70k? Ouch I didn’t realize they were that expensive.
GX500 Overtrail FTW.
I would go with the Land cruiser, full time 4wd, classic looks, and made in Japan.
Neither as I like GFX550 a lot more. But between the two, I like the look of the LC.
I like the more classic and upright design of the LC, along with the standard hybrid and 2400w inverter.
As a previous owner of two 4 runners including the TRD pro and a current owner of a Land Cruiser purchased in 2012. The 4Runner prices are ridiculous. The Land Cruiser is not really a step up.
The current 4Runner the best. More features and no turbos!
Less capable
@@JStryker7 more with the off road package with kdss. New generation doesn’t have it.
@@nordlandak6853 the new LC 250 performed extremely well without it in the car and driver test
@@JStryker7 I’ve rather have it and 15k difference in price. But each his own.
@@JStryker7 if you think that new four-cylinder is going to be more capable, I got a bridge to sell you😂 you will get stuck with that pig on the trail, struggling to get its fat self out in the ditch
I like the look of the front end of the 4runner but I gotta say I think I’m overall more into the Land Cruiser, as much as it hurts me, with a lift and bigger tires with offset. Like the square headlights more than the round though.
Im picking neither ,I'm very happy with my 5th Gen 4runner very happy
Is the ride on the Land Cruiser better than the 4Runner? I know you haven't driven the 4Runner yet, but I'm assuming it will be the same as a tacoma. So how does it compare?
Neither. Get a 5th gen 4Runner and don't look back.
Just got mine this weekend. Quicksand let’s go !
Ha. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
Also overpriced.
Agree. Fifth gen will be the next “ 80 series” desired vehicle…. Jmho.keeping my 22 TRD pro! No plans to change that
That outdated and overpriced as well
I will go with the 4Runnner SR5 or Off road without the hybrid option. Better price point for me personally.
Thank you for this video. I almost got cold feet on my LC to wait for the 2025 4Runner. Definitely back to my gut when we saw the LC for the first time. Agree the back cargo area is a little cheap looking and feeling with the storage. Land Cruiser feel for sure. Curious about the gas for the 4Runner as LC is premium.
The 4R should be regular gas. I'm like 90% sure
I love all the new Toyota and Lexus videos so much because they've convinced me that the ones I own are superior in every way.
Enjoy!
I know what you mean.
For those type of prices I'm doing a lexus gx 550
4runner definitely looks better and more refined. The rear bumper, hybrid battery bump, trays etc.
I love my V8 4thgen, Orginally I was thinking I would Team 4Runner but the LC 250 has really stolen my heart. Going to get an LC if I can't get my TRD Pro Taco 😅
Looking forward to your review of the 2026 4Runner SR5 when it becomes available in the fall🎉🎉
*also, did not realize that the 4runner has better ground clearance (9.2") vs the LC
I'd go with Landcruiser or GX. GX for the V6 and full time 4WD
Full time 4WD is hard to beat.
I would get the LC. I've seen First Editions come with Nitto ATs straight from the factory and those more aggressive tires significantly improve the relatively mundane appearance of the LC (compared to the 4Runner). The LC deserves to wear real ATs anyway. Besides, it is easier to justify spending $70K on a LC than on a 4Runner. The LC is more refined in every way and can likely keep up with the 4Runner offroad in most conditions.
WHY Won't Toyota bring over the HILUX option? You know the 3.0L Diesel?
Because exactly that… it’s a diesel.
Chicken Tax. Americas dirty past has major effect on its future. It’s also why we can’t get many other cool vehicles. Type your question into a search bar and you’ll see. America is always the start of it.
Won’t meet North American emission rules
Because it lasts too long without issues.
I own a 200 series landcruiser. Super luxurious , fast , and great off road. Purchased new in 2019 for 77 g
The new landcruisers look like a sardine can w wheels. Cheap looking exterior.
I’d go Landcruiser. I simply cannot stomach the looks of the new 4Runner.
Reveal reminded me of the reveal of Homer Simpson's car.
@@jwlafferty🤣
Both are made in Japan. Both are excellent
Both are grossly overpriced. Both will sit on dealer lots hopefully… I think we are almost hitting critical mass and now even the dumb people refuse to pay these prices…despite fanboy not hitting toyota for trying to rip people off
@@Wellh0wrya they aren’t overpriced, they are worth every penny. What other vehicles in this class have 320 hp and get 25 mpg.
@@thomas735 u are deranged!
@@thomas735 u are a couple cans short of a 6 pack
@@Wellh0wrya you got to get used to nothing being cheap anymore.
I'm personally going for the LC. If the GX was available with the hybrid, I would go for that.
As for the LC vs 4R, I love the coolbox in the LC (a small feature, but great for me, as I travel extensively), the climate controls for the rear, and the full-time 4x4 across all trims.
Both vehicles will be great, but the LC is the better fit for my needs.
The GX will be soon! Maybe next year?
@@TRDJon Yeah, I've been reading up on that. That's longer than I'm willing to wait, due to upcoming plans. So, LC it is! :)
Heck ya man!
For me i wanna do more road trips and overlanding kinda style so the lc makes more sence to me
I'm Rich and Patient and will wait for the Trail Hunter Land Cruiser Edition
Well, aren't you modest😂😂😂
That was great seeing both SUVs in some off road action. I really got a sense of their off road capabilities.
4Runner. I was thinking the mid level Land Cruiser, but go for one of the upper trim 4Runners, with the hybrid version.
The new 4runner is 👑 but my 2021 ain’t going anywhere any time soon
I see a lot of people complaining about the prices of vehicles these days and hating on the automakers. But I never see them mention the horrible inflation we are experiencing. Do you realize in 2020 the fed added 40% to our money supply. Look up m2 money supply. Endless money printing weakens the purchasing power of the dollar. Do you think inflation only applies to eggs and milk? Do you see that the fed can print money for free but we all have to work for it? Prices go up for automakers as well, taxes, labor costs, material costs, etc. $70K is the new $50K it looks like.
Preach! Most people have never experienced bad inflation. They probably voted for it.
Exactly
Jimmy Carter 2.0 inflation
Thank Biden and the Yak Harris.
Wish we could get the 4Runner in Australia
7:42 come on Toyota put the aux switches into the LC!
Does this version of the Land Cruiser look like the old Honda Pilot.. a little bit?
4hi in a part time FWD has a locked center differential.
I rather take the land cruiser just because of the full time all wheel
Drive and knowing I’m never going to take it off road and just city driving
Is the cargo space in the back pretty comparable is or one larger than the other?
I'd go with the 4runner without the hybrid system. More cargo room, cheaper and rear window goes down! I'm very curious where the 1958 vs SR5 or off road trims stack up with 1958 land cruiser price wise. I feel like all the trucks are so close in price, size, functionality...not making decisions easy!
Looking at the engineering focused videos, it seems likely the LC is also better underneath the surface
Any links? Would like to see those videos, have been looking
@@AllenKrughoff car and driver did one recently. I believe I’ve also seen comparisons with the chassis and that it’s very close if not the same as the 300 series. This LC250 is one of, if not the closest the prado has been to the big LC. While the new 4Runner is on the same platform, I’m not sure it has the same beefy chassis.
@@JStryker7 would love to see it if you can dig it up, would make me feel even better about the LC250
For the same price, I prefer the LC because of the styling.
They could’ve saved themselves 15 years of development and just put an 8spd transmission in the 5th gen 4Runner.
The new Land Cruiser looks like a nice 6th gen 4Runner except that it’s missing the roll down rear window.
I think I’d have to go Landcruiser. Mostly because I already have a 5th gen 4Runner that’s dedicated to heavy use. I would want a more comfortable daily driver out of the new options. I also don’t like how the new 4Runner looks too much like the Tacoma inside and out.
I haven't watched the video yet, but I will say I want that new 4Runner. But the more I see the Land Cruiser, the more I think this is the real deal. Both are too expensive of course, but if price wasn't an issue, I think I would go with the LC.
I wish we had the 4Runner here in Europe as well 😥
Its like comparing the Jeep patriot to the Jeep Compass its the same rig with a different shell. Get the one you like the looks of or the one you can get the best deal on.
Your first mistake is comparing Jeep to Toyota. LC250, 4runner, and GX550 all similar but they all with feel very diffent
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies I did not compare Jeep to Toyota so that is not a mistake. This video is about the 4runner and landcruiser not any of those lexus offerings. I am sure i will make a bunch of mistakes today but none were made here. Enjoy your weekend 👍🏼.
Landcruiser for sure!
Current wants 2025: 1st Sequoia, 2nd Tundra, 3rd Highlander, 4th 4Runner, 5th maybe Land Cruiser
Need: Lexus GS350
Have: 39-42 mpg '15 Honda Civic :-)
I don’t understand why you don’t get the heritage emblem on the steering wheel as well as the grille. I have hated this emblem since they changed it in the early 90’s.
Glad I bought a 2024 4Runner
you rich fk
Imagine being glad of paying for a 2024 car released in 2009 with a 5 speed 80s transmission and an extremely outdated interior hahaha
Imagine being this du mb
I bought 2023 definitely not dumb this guy super GAF. So reliability wise I get it. That 5 speed transmission and 4.0 V6 are bullet proof this guy must no nothing about 4 Runners. Although we really don't know how these 2025 Hybrids will hold up, I think I'll buy one just for MPGs alone. All the updates and more power might be worth it until everything brakes after the warranty is up and I'm wishing I still had the 2023...
@@Rapido20 Lol agreed. Atrocious gas mileage, old ass 5 speed 4.0. Basically the same 4Runner as 2010 but paying 2024 prices. 👎 But it's reliable!!!
@@Rapido20 this Toyota mechanic here disagrees. the new ones have recall nightmares currently, HE ISNT DUMB😂 The only dumb ones are the ones that pay that much for junk rather than the proven drivetrain that goes 300k miles and more🤡 THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME EMPLOYED THOUGH.😂 That old transmission will last longer on that older durable design vs the new one. FACTS ARE FACTS. He will be waving and driving by while the new one sits at the shop with me trying to figure out the new junk they come out with😂 Seriously the 90s was the peak of automotive mechanics, im sorry kids today can’t understand but there is reason why 90s toyotas STILL RUN TODAY!!!!😂 LIFE IS BETTER WITH NO WORRIES
Trailhunter 4Runner...not in a hurry. Still have a 5th gen.
That LC is hideous on the exterior.
My choice between them is the 4R.
However I’m annoyed with the new trucks from Toyota and won’t buy either.
2020/21 tundra all day long. Haha. Great vid bro!
Fair enough! Thanks dude!
That new 4Runner looks so good to me. But I definitely get why people are upset about the 4 cyl. The price is also crazy, but I’m not surprised, pretty much any cool higher trim level new car is outrageously expensive right now.
I just can't get over that tacked on volume knob in the Land Cruiser. It looks so cheap and out of place it would literally keep me from buying one so I wouldn't have to see it every day.
New 4runner looks fantastic I really like it.
I assumed the Land Crusser would be bigger/wider and less luxiourious because it's touted as the
$70k is I agree with the other comments. Absurd. I just want a stock bone 4runner. good looking body, part time 4wd, and a engine that is known to last forever. Jeep is looking like the better option for a brand new vehicle nowadays.
Another small miss on the 4runner, but no lights in the hatch sucks for camping, doesnt look like any in the roof of the cargo area either, just the two down low. The 5th gen folding seats and flatter load floor will also be very much missed.
A $70k 4-cylinder turbo just doesn't add up for me. Styling aside, part of being "rugged" and "off-road capable" is being simple, reliable, and (dare I say) affordable. The tech features are a mixed bag, and overall I'm just not sold on any of these new Toyotas.
Who cares how many cylinders it has? The 4 cyl has way more power than outgoing v6.
I bought a first edition a month ago. Delivery delayed twice so far. Dealer claims supply chain issues getting the fog lights and skid plate. Or I was scammed. Hmmmm
It was a fog light issue. same with mind
4Runner TRD OR with upgrade package.
might as well pay a lil more and get alot more performance with the Gx550 overtrail with E-KDSS and a V6 Turbo
If price is not an option...4Runner! But not ready to get rid of my 5th gen!
I dont like the styling of the new 4runner. The front end just seems too big for the size of the vehicle. It looks swollen next to the land cruiser's more chiseled squared off front. I hope we get a refresh that fixes the design like we did with the 5th gen.
The front end is awful on the new 4R.
agreed. almost looks like a Tacoma with a canopy 😂
I’ve been debating both of these platforms. I’m on a waiting list for a First Edition LC, but if I can’t get one, I’m not really interested in either of the other two trims. I currently DD a 2017 SR5 and it’s been solid, but once I’m ready I’ll probably go 4Runner again over LC. The two trims I’d probably consider would be either the Platinum with some sort of TRD setup like the Tundra or the TRD Pro. Good comparison video Jon.
The 1958 is the LC to buy imo. It has a lot of nice features without the price tag of the luxury bells and whistles. Reminds me of the TRD Rock Warrior and the early TRD pros
I think trail hunter is the best 4Runner option. And I think it’ll be better off road then the pro and land cruiser
cool to bump into you at the Friday Overland Expo happy hour! keep up the good work on the channel!
Great time!
4Runner DOES have locked center diff, its a transfer case. Unlike the all wheel drive in the land cruiser that has a center differential, which would need to be locked to get 50/50 transfer, the RWD 4Runner already has the transfer case which is why it is RWD.
At 70k, I'd rather get a Rivian R1T than these things with more moving parts. If I have that kind of money, then I probably have a house too and the charging will not be an issue. Road trips are not an issue because I stop often enough for bathroom/beverage/snack/stretching anyways. 10 min top off every time I stop worked fine for me when I rented the Model 3 short range for two days on a road trip that I take frequently. And the Rivians bottom heavy weight distribution makes it far more stable and capable than these things. No dealership markup, no oil changes, no fluid changes, and brake changes are every 100k miles instead of every 30-40k miles. Lease rates on EVs are dirt cheap now too because they want people to try them out and see that they can make it work for them.
Underrated comment. I’m on the same page here. I test drove a Rivian and they are incredible. It’s not even the same class of vehicle but somehow the price is almost the same.
Does anybody expect to be taking a $90,000 CDN Land Cruiser off road? It’ll be great in the snow for sure, especially with all wheel drive and locking diffs.
People (including myself) do it with Jeeps all the time. So yes.
@@jackbauer9347 I get the “it’s a Jeep” thing with jeep ownership but I believe there may be a different ownership/age dynamic with a Land Cruiser.
Which car has better cargo space? Do either of them have a flat cargo space?
Man that landcruiser looks soooo much cooler than the 4Runner… big glass, low beltline, upright windshield…. I’m sure the 4Runner will outsell the landcruiser like 7 to 1, so it will be a lot rarer…. I’d def go landcruiser if I had 65k to blow…. but with interest rates so high financing at 9% is dumb and paying cash and losing out on the 20%+ ror in the s&p or 6% ror in tbills/bonds is dumber… atleast I can watch TH-camrs test it and take it off-road
Why not give the LC250 the TRD Pro and Trailhunter treatment? Won’t it, 4Runner, Tundra, Tacoma, the facelifted LC300, and the next-gen Hilux each get the possible GR treatment just to show Ford’s Raptor family who’s boss?
I'd choose the 4-Runner. I need to probably trade ours in since it's a 1999. To be honest, I prefer the truck platform, and a narrower wheel base, but I know that's not an option anymore. And 70k?! Maybe we will keep ours another 20 years.
I’ll be keeping and modding my 5th gen trd off road and go for something sportier for $70,000 for commuting.
Ground clearance on 4Runner vs lc? This also help us decide.
They are similar with the 4R beating out the LC just by a little.
4R 6th gen has 9.2 inches of ground clearance compared to the LC w/ 8 inches. 5th gen 4R pro has 9.6 inches
Tough decision. I was thinking of getting the new Land Cruiser, but love the style of the 6th Gen 4Runner.
I think trail hunter is the best 4Runner option
Premium gas for the Land Cruiser, not sure for the 4runner. Hopefully regular 87 octane.
Well that burns through any MPG gains…smh
What is the weight difference between the two? Is there any mpg differences since the 4Runner has 2wd options?
Here in East Tennessee, there is one stand out for me because we get a lot of rain and some snow. The Land Cruiser is the only model out of the two with full time all wheel drive
I’m 100% with you on the full-time AWD, my understanding is the 4Runner Limited will continue with this, as it has in the past.
As mentioned, the 4R will have full time 4wd for the platinum model and I believe Limited as well.
@@TRDJon yes but if it doesn’t have the lockers like the Land Cruiser, same as the current gen, it’s not really comparable.
You didn't mention center and rear lockers in your comment so thats why I mentioned that.
how disappointing is the legroom in the back seat of both of these? I hear LC is a bit better than 4runner, but sheesh they both look wicked tight.
Toyota put out all this overlap of models and trims...yet so far it feels like none of them have the perfect combination of what I was looking for really.
Don't forget the FJ Cruiser is coming back. So as of 2025, you get to choose Highlander, FJ, 4Runner or Land-Cruiser because...............HEY, TOYOTA HOW MANY MID-SIZE SUV'S DO PEOPLE REALLY NEED ??? I guarantee one of those will be gone inside 5 years and it's not just a fight between unibody and body on frame.
Depends on who's buying. If im buying its neither. If someone else is buying ill take either, im not picky
“Kinda round headlights🤦🏻♂️“ so they must be elliptical🤷🏻♂️
Is there any truth to the 4runners frame is just painted and the Landcruiser has a coated frame? If true I wonder, why they want 4runners to rust.
I don’t get why we have two of the same capable off roaders with same engine.?I’m confused and conflicted by it.
So basically top of the line 4runner competes with the base Landcruiser? Winner is the bare bone 4runner with same engine specs, towing, etc.
I’m partial to the old school looks of the LC.
Dealer said they stopped producing Land Cruisers and can't sell ones they have on the lot. Some kind of issue. Maybe just the roof rack thing. Maybe something bigger...
How did you like the interior of the 1958 version?
imo, get a late model GX460 or LX570 while you can.
You always will be able to
i wish they would bring 4runner to Australia. That shit is crazy..!!!
We want your 70s series. Trade?????