Actually I'm not surprised. I use third generation as my daily car and results reflect my experience. I drive mine off the beaten track from time to time in moderate terrain and indeed, if at least two wheels have some traction car moves forward, no matter, if it's sand, snow or mud. The only problem is with relatively low ground clearance, on the other hand it shines on solid roads.
same here, 3rd gen besides low ground clearance the awd is decent and don't really need any more. maybe someday a proactive system like in the acuras and Pilot sawd ot vtm4
after watching tests videos like these at first I was sad as I was forced to buy the 3rd gen crv by my parents instead of XU30 harrier that I wanted, now I thank them as my money was well spent for my first car...
@@ultramarsfinest1536 This is the best generation of cr-v) My wife has a cr-v 2.4 2008, yesterday I bought her a new Mazda CX 5 2.5 2022, my wife was happy, but she forbade selling Honda, now my wife has two cars))
Good demonstration. Managed to find some fresh snowy hills this years in my mk3 and was really quite impressed - AWD kicked in seamlessly and did a great job (on all-season tyres). Just don't take it too far off road.
@@dominicbrittthis gen of CRV actually got Honda sued in some of their global markets because the AWD was so poorly implemented. It failed so many roller tests around the world in independent testing. 4th gen’s are shit gens that Honda just phoned in because they got lazy and rested on “it’s reliable!” That’s it.
I've had a 2011 ex-l for about 7 months and I just talked myself out of taking it on the sand...this definitely boosts my confidence on tougher terrain!
Very interesting video. I have a 2012 AWD. I never have taken it off road, but it has done really well in snow. Even the other day, we had a lot of snow/slush and I took it out to test the new Firestone Destination L2's. I kept hitting the throttle hard for a dead stop and could accelerate with little to no drama.
Same - have a 2012. Compared to my fwd civic, this things gets around in the snow great. I figure real world vs these roller tests is drastically different.
I've got a 2014 CR-V AWD and it's been great in the snow thus far. I've been impressed how quickly it'll send power to the right wheels when it sense's traction loss. I don't think they changed anything from 2013-14 so I'm a little shocked to see it do so badly here.
There's low friction cooficient on snow, so not much torque is needed to spin the wheels without grip, that's different situation, much easier for the clutch-pack. Another thing is that the system should send the power to the right wheels before traction is lost, Honda was advertising it as proactive, not reactive.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ah ok gotcha. Well it's definitely reactive in my case...it's a quick reaction tho I'll give them that. I've been in some AWD vehicles that make you question if it's even truly AWD.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Sure the particular vehicle was a buddy of mines 05 Saturn Vue AWD that got stuck quite a few times ... Not sure with all the GM AWD platforms of that era but this one drove very much like a FWD vehicle with very little power to seemingly to the rear wheels. I know not all AWD systems are set up the same but that one didn't feel like anything was happening.
Proud owner of a 2008 CRV. It got me home safely tonight on very snowy and slippery roads. This test proves that it is the safest option of any CRV model!
Decent test but 3rd gen test driver always stepped on the gas while the 4th gen always let the car slowly accelerate and then just kept peddling the throttle. Crvs are great vehicles!
Btw, not all gen4 are the same. The 2015 and older facelift has the system retuned. At least the 1.6 idtec zf 9 speed acts differently, if you ever have the chance give it a try 😉
This is really interesting! We have a 2010 with the 2.4 liter (Canadian) and it is interesting to see that something got worse in the Gen4 model and then back to at least about the same with the latest generation. Funny that Honda doesn't do a test like this with the engineers on board to make the system work better.
Some years ago there was a lot of mess about weak awd system in 4th gen, including Honda ridiculous "answer" etc. In 5th gen the system can send 57% more torque to the rear than in 4th and it is also proactive (3rd is only reactive).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersу третьего поколения есть шариковая муфта, которая обеспечивает подключение за 1/4 оборота входного вала заднего редуктора. Это очень быстро.
Im new to your channel and must say its very interesting to see all these differences in every AWD systems. Not sure where to put this request but here it is! It would be nice to see how compares the different systems of subaru. for example a manual vs a cvt ( forester or outback or crosstrek or impreza) vs wrx vs sti. Your channel is great by the way!
I've heard conflicting reports so don't quote me, but supposedly the 4th gen system sends only 25% of power to the rear wheels, and 2017 onward it was improved to 40%. It's officially called "Real Time AWD with Intelligent Control" and both Honda and Acura (non-SHAWD) use the system.
Jak zaczalem ogladac ten kanal to myslalem, ze jest to totalnie bez sensu co Pan robi ale ostatni filmik z Ateca i Tiguanem pokazal, ze poprostu SWIETNY KANAL to jest i trzymam kciuki ☺
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Glownie testy opieraja sie na roznych markach samochodow co pokazuje oczywiste roznice. W tym samym koncernie miedzy "plebejskim" a sportowym mozna sie spodziewac roznic. Miedzy malym a duzym samochodem jednej marki rowniez (jak chocby audi A3 i A4). Jednak w tym samym koncernie, w tej samej klasie, z tym samym silnikiem wykorzystujacym ten sam uklad przeniesienia napedu to bylo dziwne. Tak jak inne komentarze, dziwne bylo, ze Tiguan byl gorszy 😮
The biggest problem with the 3rd gen is that when you turn off the VSA (ESP) you also turn off the traction control and you get no electronic assist or simulated LSD.
@@RTI_MD And cuts the throttle off. That's why you should disable esp when driving in deep snow in order to maintain momentum. If you get stuck you'll stay stuck. On ice it's another story.
I came back to this fantastic video because now i am more experienced with honda awd and i found a trick how to bypass that all open diff weakness. While accelerating, gently apply brakes.
@@rickymeeker1852 at least for manual 2nd gen and 3rd gen in europe there is a huge difference in how they act when wheels slip, 3rd gen has more agressive vsa that sometimes works worse than 2nd gen or when driving with it off
Hahahaha that 2013 is similar to my neighbors I swear every winter you can hear him cursing Japan and Honda when it snows,he gets rescued every time by myself and others.To sum up the 4th Gen CRV is a mini van,you can't go camping,you will get stuck on snow/ice,you can't tow anything, you might even get stuck when it rains :P it is safe to say the worst AWD you have tested belongs to gen 4 CRV.
@@normt5463 did you even watch this test? 3rd is decent and 5th gen is pretty good for a crossover. If you need an off-roader, better look at other class of cars...
My 4th gen does really good in Colorado mountains in winter, nothing like these tests. Blizzards, passes, snow 12+ inches - no problems, refuses to get stuck. I don’t do off-road, car is not designed for it. Otherwise every road conditions is great. I don’t run snow tires, but I do run triple snow peak rated tires.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2016, 2.4 i4 with cvt. Btw just did 100k service, not a single oil leak, valve adjustment was so minor mechanic said we could have skipped it.
On a roller system I guess that might seem true but in the rear world the all-wheel drive one absolutely murders the front wheel drive one in snowy conditions. Even with the underpowered 2.4 07 CRV with the VSA off it's a car you can totally toss around
From an Engineer's POV, the 2013 model was tested in a dusty area, when dust and sand particles accumulate on steel rollers traction will decrease hence it will be very hard for the tires to have contact with the rollers.
@@husamsalhi6071 Apart from the fact that 2013 behaves the same, no matter where it's tested, the sentence "It will be very hard for the tires to have contact with the rollers" is simply nonsense.
Old post, but the rollers are supposed to be slippery and the car is not supposed to be able to get out of the rollers. The car is supposed to send power to the wheel/wheels that is/are not in rollers to push the car out.
For this test the CVT transmission would have NO affect on the results. It’s driven completely by the dynamics of the AWD system. I swear people need to realize that CVT transmissions from reputable car companies (Honda and Toyota) are reliable and good. They do NOT affect awd performance. Your comment was full of misinformation and a lack of awareness.
@@BullyCanadian Not saying they aren’t reliable. I’m speaking of the low range capabilities of a CVT they tend too be a little weaker then a traditional transmission. I own a 2019 CR-V and work in an ASE certified shop though I don’t understand the direct science behind CVT I do understand the basics of pressure vs output
У меня хонда CRV-3 2007 года никогда не подводила грязь, снег всё по барабану. Горы рыбалка в лес по грибы всегда уверен в своей машине! Несмотря на то что объём 2.!
So this issue with 4th Gen can be solved ???? I have had some issues with my 2.2 iDTEC EX 2013 driving on icy & loose surfaces & 4x4 not activated. I’m not Happy. So Did you sort out this issue with your 4th gen vehicle ? Many thanks 🙏🏼
The 2010 (facelift/restyle model) with a 2.2 i-dtec, diesel engine, is a bit more reactive due to higher torque. But generally this display is accurate.
@@tomasj.2651 Not right regarding to what aspect? I know what system does 3rd have, owning and driving one for 9 years. If you read attentively, I was saying that the 2010 facelift is a bit more reactive than the 2007 one, having more torque...
@@isf4801 Not correct. It still uses dual pump system but with pilot clutch added. Pilot clutch has a ball-cam mechanism (ramps) which makes the system faster reacting but it doesn't keep any 35% preload.
Honestly I wouldn’t ever take my CRV off road or expect it to get me out of tough situations... it’s a glorified car on stilts basically. I like it cause I don’t have to bend over to put in car seats for my kid and easy to get in and out of.
I use my crv 3gen in heavy conditions this car very reliable and stable on country side roads, and farmers roads pretty good handle and comfort suspension, but my crv was on manual transmission (2,0).
Thanks for the video, so it would not be advisable to buy the 2012-2014 model? I was thinking of going for it, what I see I do not know if to acquire it ...
Man that 4th is embarrassing, how could honda scam people like that? They knew what they were doing, u cant design a car and not know what u are selling, they did the tests and installed the cheap systems.
The Old Dual Pump system seems to transfer enough torque to the rear axle (2 rear wheels with enough traction), and the reaction is fast but the traction control doesn't seem to transfer enough torque to the rear wheel with traction. Traction Control limitation or overall, not enough torque to the rear axle ?
Traction control on these models is not the fastest to react and yeah the torque is limited. I might be wrong, but i think i read some data saying it's up to 40%.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, i also think that. There is an interesting thing ; the difference in behavior of the ESP. On Gen 3th and Gen 4th, the Traction Control seems to be at 100% dependant of the ESP, but on Gen 5th, no. The Traction Control funtion continues to work as it's an independant system (it's possible on some other cars ; mercedes ML w163 ETS + EPS, Land Rover ETC + DSC, etc.) .
I couldn't tell the difference in the model years, i'm not a Honda man to be able to tell just by looking at them. So which one did the best in the video?
Czy bardzo, bardzo, bardzo serdecznie można Was poprosić o przetestowanie T-Roca 2.0 TSI 4Motion? :) Może w jakimś połączeniu z Karoq albo jeszcze lepiej - Atecą?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki za błyskawiczną odpowiedź. Zatem mam wielką nadzieję, że się ktoś taki znajdzie : D Bo mam na celowniku ten samochód i właśnie wersję z tym napędem, i jestem ciekaw jakby sobie poradził na tle innych, podobnych samochodów (stąd pomysł na porównanie z Karoqiem czy Atecą). Test Ateci oczywiście widziałem. Kanał i pomysł na filmy bardzo fajny, pozdrawiam :)
Not really sure what the issue is with 4 gen AWD. Have read dozens of comments herewith. Supposedly two main reasons for 4 gen low performance are: 1) AWD system's software/firmware, and 2) clutch pack is weaker as compared to 3 gen. I used to own 3 gen of 2006, 2.4 litres, US edition. My first crossover. Loved it indeed. It had about 175 000 miles on clock when I decided to sell it. It ran fine, ageing anyways though. Engine would be not that silent when cold only. Now I own 4 gen. 2.4. It is known that this gen 2.4 engine is a bit different: torque slightly higher as well as HP. Power steering is electrical, not hydraulic. I think electrical steering saves a bit of power and this is one of the reasons why 4 Gen takes off a bit easier. I like the 4 Gen's performance more. On the highway the RPM is less at the same speed. As for the relative off-road capacity: drove 4 Gen to mountain ski camp on a slippery road. Driving was confident, no issues with slipping. In the city as well - setting off on an icy road uphill from the traffic light as if on a dry surface. Also noticed on 4 Gen the Stabilization system working when driving on icy road. Never noticed the same on Gen 3. Btw, on Gen 4 I am using the same winter tires I had on Gen 3 (kept them when sold the 3 Gen:)). They are Maxxis SS-01 Presa SUV. They are now 5+ y o, still grip quite well.
From my research - it's not about software and not about the clutch-pack, which is the same as in gen 3. The reason is the size of rear diff - it is way smaller than in gen 4. There were a few versions of it but none is able to hold high torque without falling into pieces.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers cannot disagree) Anyways, what is important to remember is that CRV is in no way an off-roader, I believe. In my case both Gens have always coped with the road situations they were intended for.
Pytanie tylko czy 4 generacja to był już model z nowym oprogramowaniem tylnego napędu, ponieważ modele z początku produkcji 2013 za późno włączały tylny Napęd i było i tym głośno, w roku 2014 honda zmieniła oprogramowanie sterowania tylnego napędu i działa on całkiem inaczej tylna oś jest włączana szybciej .
Najpierw Honda twierdziła, że sprzęgło napędu jest za słabe. Później zmienili oprogramowanie, po czym.. Wrócili do tego pierwotnego. Sprawą zajmował się Teknikens Värld.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers osobiście jeżdżę crv z roku 2014 z listopada i mam porównanie do mojego znajomego który ma rocznik 2013 i u niego system działa gorzej niż u mnie .
I am really disappointed in my 3rd gen 2011, previously i owned two gen 2 petrol and diesel and they both pulled my caravan out of slippery situations i.e. muddy fields, my gen 3 2011 goes no where. I have been researching if there is a problem with the rear differential.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I can be ur volunteer. I have a remapped vituned 2013 CR-V EX AWD it's still stock just aftermarket Intake with bolts on and aftermarket exhaust. Its AWD works great btw I'm in the U.S.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes mine is AT with k24z7. I know it's FWD biased reactive AWD and it's not as good as Acura's SH-AWD. But still it'll be interesting to see if a tuned CR-V can do any better. Tuned cars have more hp and torque than stocks. And maybe the manual 4th gen CR-V doesn't have enough constant torque to send to the rear wheels, or the clutch is interfering with the reactive AWD system. However, the 2.4 and the 1.6 diesel CR-V should have enough low end torque to distribute to the rear
Rollers are the worst case scenario and shows how different awd systems work. In real world it works fine with decent winter tires in snow where a front or rear driven vehicle would stuck, i own a 3rd gen that looks like the one in this video with a 2.2 diesel.
Witam Czyli w Hondzie CV-R III 2007/2008 jest lepiej niż w nowszej. CV-R IV generacji. Starsza (poprzednia) wyjeżdża z blokady kół przednich, a nowsza generacja CV-R IV 20012/2013 już ma problemy, nie jedzie.... Dobrze zrozumiałem film? Ciekawe że na filmie najnowsza V generacji radzi sobie dobrze tak jak starsza generacji III-ej. ;-). Ciekawe! Może faktycznie kwestia jakiegoś oprogramowania (opcji 4x4) auta... ? Ja w mojej problemu żadnego z 4x4 na razie nie miałem. Pozdrawiam
Trzecia generacja to dual-pump, mechaniczny układ dołączający tylną oś w przypadku uślizgu przedniej. W czwartej generacji zastosowano sprzęgło wielotarczowe sterowane elektronicznie, ale - jak tłumaczyła Honda - za słabe, aby przenieść wystarczająco dużo momentu, aczkolwiek sterowanie jest już niby proaktywne. W generacji piątej zastosowano mocniejsze sprzęgło.
a bit irrelevant but my aunt has 2013 crv fwd 120HP and its a very beautiful comfortable car :D and she averages 5.0 liter/100km. she usually shifts at 2000rpm and drives 70-80km/h. manual
Check *2013 CR-V MT* vs *2013 CR-V AT* vs *2016 CR-V MT* : th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
And other tests:
*2007 Honda CR-V AWD* vs *2008 Nissan X-Trail All Mode 4x4* : th-cam.com/video/PZrUez3rgyI/w-d-xo.html
*2007 Honda CR-V AWD* vs *2008 Mitsubishi Outlander AWC* : th-cam.com/video/ZRhPFjuKPDs/w-d-xo.html
*2018 Mitsubishi Outlander AWC* vs *2019 Honda CR-V AWD* : th-cam.com/video/_-gDcW_lyDg/w-d-xo.html
*2019 Toyota RAV4 AWD* vs *2019 Honda CR-V AWD* : th-cam.com/video/kBaaM5ECZ1k/w-d-xo.html
*2017 Volkswagen Tiguan 4Motion* vs *2019 Honda CR-V AWD* : th-cam.com/video/OmjeBszcPa4/w-d-xo.html
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Still driving my 3rd generation. Still super reliable 11 years later
Still driving my gen 3 now 14years ❤
I regret selling ours. We had the Aus delivered 2.4L motor and it was a 6 speed manual. Nothing ever went wrong with it.
Honda Engineers in 2013: Should we test thr AWD before we sell it?
Honda CEO: Nah. She'll be right
THIS is the content I scour TH-cam for in the midnight hour.
Same. Right now.
I said no no no.
Actually I'm not surprised. I use third generation as my daily car and results reflect my experience. I drive mine off the beaten track from time to time in moderate terrain and indeed, if at least two wheels have some traction car moves forward, no matter, if it's sand, snow or mud. The only problem is with relatively low ground clearance, on the other hand it shines on solid roads.
same here, 3rd gen besides low ground clearance the awd is decent and don't really need any more. maybe someday a proactive system like in the acuras and Pilot sawd ot vtm4
after watching tests videos like these at first I was sad as I was forced to buy the 3rd gen crv by my parents instead of XU30 harrier that I wanted, now I thank them as my money was well spent for my first car...
@@ultramarsfinest1536 This is the best generation of cr-v) My wife has a cr-v 2.4 2008, yesterday I bought her a new Mazda CX 5 2.5 2022, my wife was happy, but she forbade selling Honda, now my wife has two cars))
@@LarionAugust Thanks for the reassurance friend! Well done on buying a new car too! enjoy it and drive safe haha.
@@ultramarsfinest1536 Thank you and good luck 👍🏼
Wow, great video! Looks like I'm going to keep my 3rd gen after all
I hear you, if you have the 2.4 . Those K series are meant to be one of the best 4 cylinder engines ever made😁
Yes indeed!
The 3rd gen with the 2.4 i-VTEC will always be my best
Good demonstration. Managed to find some fresh snowy hills this years in my mk3 and was really quite impressed - AWD kicked in seamlessly and did a great job (on all-season tyres). Just don't take it too far off road.
This test was needed since seeing for first time ,good job ,should do all gens of AWD cross overs !
The 2013 AWD sends thoughts and prayers to the wheels with traction. It looks like it's not even trying :D
Lol. *Thoughts and Prayers* ..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Thats a typical bereavement statement...
My 2013 car would never spin the front wheels without sending drive to the rear - something not right with that car.
@@dominicbritt There's nothing wrong with the car, it is just waht it is. It is sending power to the rear but not enough to push the car forward.
@@dominicbrittthis gen of CRV actually got Honda sued in some of their global markets because the AWD was so poorly implemented. It failed so many roller tests around the world in independent testing. 4th gen’s are shit gens that Honda just phoned in because they got lazy and rested on “it’s reliable!” That’s it.
I've had a 2011 ex-l for about 7 months and I just talked myself out of taking it on the sand...this definitely boosts my confidence on tougher terrain!
Very interesting video. I have a 2012 AWD. I never have taken it off road, but it has done really well in snow. Even the other day, we had a lot of snow/slush and I took it out to test the new Firestone Destination L2's. I kept hitting the throttle hard for a dead stop and could accelerate with little to no drama.
Same - have a 2012. Compared to my fwd civic, this things gets around in the snow great. I figure real world vs these roller tests is drastically different.
@@R0mmyGen 3 or gen 4?
CRV 3 (RE) forever
Will this do very well on sand
@BruceWayne-sz3than you put an eBay turbo on it safely for say 80k?
Gen 2.5 ❤
do valve body spring mod and clutch mod and lockup mod watch how much better it gets
My 2007 AWD CRV has been KILLING it in the Colorado mountains!
Wow a very informative video about how various Honda CR-V generations perform . My rating is good , bad , great
I've got a 2014 CR-V AWD and it's been great in the snow thus far. I've been impressed how quickly it'll send power to the right wheels when it sense's traction loss. I don't think they changed anything from 2013-14 so I'm a little shocked to see it do so badly here.
There's low friction cooficient on snow, so not much torque is needed to spin the wheels without grip, that's different situation, much easier for the clutch-pack. Another thing is that the system should send the power to the right wheels before traction is lost, Honda was advertising it as proactive, not reactive.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ah ok gotcha. Well it's definitely reactive in my case...it's a quick reaction tho I'll give them that. I've been in some AWD vehicles that make you question if it's even truly AWD.
@@bravedirtyhawk5912 Can you name those vehicles? 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Sure the particular vehicle was a buddy of mines 05 Saturn Vue AWD that got stuck quite a few times ... Not sure with all the GM AWD platforms of that era but this one drove very much like a FWD vehicle with very little power to seemingly to the rear wheels. I know not all AWD systems are set up the same but that one didn't feel like anything was happening.
@@bravedirtyhawk5912 Thanks. I think I haven't seen any Saturn car, ever 🙂 They are not available in Europe under that name.
Красотка ЦаРеВна CR-V (RE) справилась со всем, кроме последнего испытания. Умничка!
3rd Gen. I glad I didn’t trade mine in for a newer one. Very interesting results. I’m thinking I need front and rear lockers now.
Proud owner of a 2008 CRV. It got me home safely tonight on very snowy and slippery roads. This test proves that it is the safest option of any CRV model!
We have an '18 CR-V and an '05 Element. Both systems are great. We had a 2013 CR-V and we always knew it was bad but never that bad.
Decent test but 3rd gen test driver always stepped on the gas while the 4th gen always let the car slowly accelerate and then just kept peddling the throttle. Crvs are great vehicles!
Yeah, I noticed that too. 4th gen kept starting off slower then speeding up.
Црв машина класс,владеют третьим поколением и менять не хочу машина с душой.
Хонды вообще машины с душой. Обычно кто становился хондаводом, тот остаётся им))
@@RomanLamer ты прав друг. Приобрел Аккорд 6 в 2012 году. До сих пор на Хонде. Уже второй Аккорд, 7))
Тройка лучшая модель! Ездил и на 4 и на 5. На 3 в горы, на охоту, работа. С 2010 в пользовании, 350 тысяч пройдено. Как швейцарские часы!
Btw, not all gen4 are the same. The 2015 and older facelift has the system retuned. At least the 1.6 idtec zf 9 speed acts differently, if you ever have the chance give it a try 😉
This is really interesting! We have a 2010 with the 2.4 liter (Canadian) and it is interesting to see that something got worse in the Gen4 model and then back to at least about the same with the latest generation.
Funny that Honda doesn't do a test like this with the engineers on board to make the system work better.
Some years ago there was a lot of mess about weak awd system in 4th gen, including Honda ridiculous "answer" etc.
In 5th gen the system can send 57% more torque to the rear than in 4th and it is also proactive (3rd is only reactive).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersу третьего поколения есть шариковая муфта, которая обеспечивает подключение за 1/4 оборота входного вала заднего редуктора. Это очень быстро.
Im new to your channel and must say its very interesting to see all these differences in every AWD systems. Not sure where to put this request but here it is! It would be nice to see how compares the different systems of subaru. for example a manual vs a cvt ( forester or outback or crosstrek or impreza) vs wrx vs sti. Your channel is great by the way!
Thank you! When it comes to Subaru - so far we couldn't find any with manual transmission, but sooner or later we will find some 🙂
I've heard conflicting reports so don't quote me, but supposedly the 4th gen system sends only 25% of power to the rear wheels, and 2017 onward it was improved to 40%. It's officially called "Real Time AWD with Intelligent Control" and both Honda and Acura (non-SHAWD) use the system.
hondanews.com/en-US/releases/2017-honda-cr-v-powertrain?page=5
Jak zaczalem ogladac ten kanal to myslalem, ze jest to totalnie bez sensu co Pan robi ale ostatni filmik z Ateca i Tiguanem pokazal, ze poprostu SWIETNY KANAL to jest i trzymam kciuki ☺
A co takiego Cię przekonało akurat w teście Ateca-Tiguan? :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Glownie testy opieraja sie na roznych markach samochodow co pokazuje oczywiste roznice. W tym samym koncernie miedzy "plebejskim" a sportowym mozna sie spodziewac roznic. Miedzy malym a duzym samochodem jednej marki rowniez (jak chocby audi A3 i A4). Jednak w tym samym koncernie, w tej samej klasie, z tym samym silnikiem wykorzystujacym ten sam uklad przeniesienia napedu to bylo dziwne. Tak jak inne komentarze, dziwne bylo, ze Tiguan byl gorszy 😮
@@marcinmalik5815 Inny software sterujący, ot cała tajemnica :)
Currently, I have the 2021 CR-V AWD (5th Gen) and it's great vehicle,reliable, comfy, roomy, excellent in all type of weather.
The biggest problem with the 3rd gen is that when you turn off the VSA (ESP) you also turn off the traction control and you get no electronic assist or simulated LSD.
It works the same in 4th.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yeah, I know... They kinda fixed it with the 5th gen.
I have the 2010 crv and with esp of my rear wheels still worked when stuck in snow
@@kennethbishop1457 ESP and rear wheels "working" have nothing in common. ESP breaks the slipping wheel, mimicking a differential lock.
@@RTI_MD And cuts the throttle off. That's why you should disable esp when driving in deep snow in order to maintain momentum. If you get stuck you'll stay stuck. On ice it's another story.
I came back to this fantastic video because now i am more experienced with honda awd and i found a trick how to bypass that all open diff weakness. While accelerating, gently apply brakes.
But that's what the system should do.
私もまだ乗ってる3代目CRVが思いのほか、力強いですね笑
ありそうでなかった検証動画ありがとうございます！
Thank you for watching the unlikely video！
It's a good car to own a third generation CRV！
That's a very nice and clear test. Good job!
It would be very helpful if you also test the 2nd gen crv.
Put 1st gen against 2nd
2nd and 3rd gen are same 4wd system.
@@rickymeeker1852 3rd is not the same, it was modified with additional pilot clutch.
@@rickymeeker1852 at least for manual 2nd gen and 3rd gen in europe there is a huge difference in how they act when wheels slip, 3rd gen has more agressive vsa that sometimes works worse than 2nd gen or when driving with it off
Watching to the end to make sure the 2013 CR-V doesn't get stuck on those leaves on the floor 😂
So 4th gen is the worse of this group? I am just happy that the uploader actually didn't edit it. Bravo!
4th gen has the weakest clutch-pack. I don't see any reason to edit it :)
please tell me the version 2016-2017 1.6 diesel restyling, they say that they improved awd there
@@roma96905 th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
Hahahaha that 2013 is similar to my neighbors I swear every winter you can hear him cursing Japan and Honda when it snows,he gets rescued every time by myself and others.To sum up the 4th Gen CRV is a mini van,you can't go camping,you will get stuck on snow/ice,you can't tow anything, you might even get stuck when it rains :P it is safe to say the worst AWD you have tested belongs to gen 4 CRV.
The CR-V has one of the worst AWD systems. Not even sure how they get away with calling it such.
@@normt5463 5th gen is quite good.
@@normt5463 did you even watch this test? 3rd is decent and 5th gen is pretty good for a crossover. If you need an off-roader, better look at other class of cars...
@@RTI_MD this is down the list with RAV4 near the bottom.
@@RTI_MD should not be called AWD..
2007 honda crv 3rd generation still better baby...
My 4th gen does really good in Colorado mountains in winter, nothing like these tests. Blizzards, passes, snow 12+ inches - no problems, refuses to get stuck. I don’t do off-road, car is not designed for it. Otherwise every road conditions is great. I don’t run snow tires, but I do run triple snow peak rated tires.
@@LazyGrayF0x What production year, what engine and what transmission?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2016, 2.4 i4 with cvt. Btw just did 100k service, not a single oil leak, valve adjustment was so minor mechanic said we could have skipped it.
@@LazyGrayF0x Problems with awd systems were mainly in manuals: th-cam.com/video/0vQywG1cfq0/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers fascinating
@@LazyGrayF0x Old story with Honda, discovered over ten years ago by Teknikens Warld.
What kind of awd transfer 1% of the torque to the rear wheel? All wasted space, more weight and components (also money)
On a roller system I guess that might seem true but in the rear world the all-wheel drive one absolutely murders the front wheel drive one in snowy conditions. Even with the underpowered 2.4 07 CRV with the VSA off it's a car you can totally toss around
I like my 3rd gen with the 2.4. Basically indestructible
ME TOO :D
Good job, this is really nice demo. Could you please test honda pilot 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation as well, I believe it will be awesome !
Thanks. Pilot is not available in Europe, but 1st gen was tested: th-cam.com/video/Ivfjmckk4No/w-d-xo.html
From an Engineer's POV, the 2013 model was tested in a dusty area,
when dust and sand particles accumulate on steel rollers traction will decrease hence it will be very hard for the tires to have contact with the rollers.
@@husamsalhi6071 That's not engineer's pov...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
I'll add a new piece of information if you corrected me and proved my theory is wrong😇
@@husamsalhi6071 Apart from the fact that 2013 behaves the same, no matter where it's tested, the sentence "It will be very hard for the tires to have contact with the rollers" is simply nonsense.
Old post, but the rollers are supposed to be slippery and the car is not supposed to be able to get out of the rollers. The car is supposed to send power to the wheel/wheels that is/are not in rollers to push the car out.
I’ve got a 2007 ex 81,000 miles still going strong.
I have a 2007 with 124k miles. Was considering upgrading to a 4th gen...maybe not!
Nice the rear brakes are glowing in the gen 3
No, that's a reflection of red car on the background.
The 5th gen did surprisingly well despite the CVT transmission
For this test the CVT transmission would have NO affect on the results. It’s driven completely by the dynamics of the AWD system. I swear people need to realize that CVT transmissions from reputable car companies (Honda and Toyota) are reliable and good. They do NOT affect awd performance. Your comment was full of misinformation and a lack of awareness.
@@BullyCanadian Not saying they aren’t reliable. I’m speaking of the low range capabilities of a CVT they tend too be a little weaker then a traditional transmission. I own a 2019 CR-V and work in an ASE certified shop though I don’t understand the direct science behind CVT I do understand the basics of pressure vs output
Im keeping my 3rd gen 😂
Crv 3 Executive navi plus 2.2 cdti... King forever
Gen3 is really good !!
Лопату в комплект, обязательно!
У меня ср в 2008, ещё не разу в сугроб не встрял...
Знаю.Лопата в багажнике. Но за 6 лет ни разу не пригодилась)
Не пригодились пототому что по асфальту ездиете
@@BigBoss-do8hf вы не нашли ещё того самого)
@@erlich1155 уже нашёл))) неделю назад из за нечищеных дворов на брюхо сел)))
Super test. Dzięki.
3rd gen is the best crv ever made i had my 2008 icdti 2.2 from new and its never let me down EVER
Honda CRV 5 Generazione 2021 1.5 benzina 193cv automatica 🔝👍🏻👍🏻
I saw a video where they put an 4x4 crv with the two front wheels up like this and doesn't even move, and on this video the system works perfect
It doesn't work perfect, it doesn't move just like in the video you saw (I believe it was Teknikens Varld).
i would love to see First Gen Cr-v on rollers
It would be the same as HR-V: th-cam.com/video/7JXiHy-sJ44/w-d-xo.html
Skills,driving technique is another different thing
I will stick to my 2008 crv i love using HONDA😍 2008-2021 is amazing
У меня хонда CRV-3 2007 года никогда не подводила грязь, снег всё по барабану. Горы рыбалка в лес по грибы всегда уверен в своей машине! Несмотря на то что объём 2.!
For the 2013 model Honda released a software update that solves the problem. Is the newest version installed in this one?
No information. We are looking for newer version.
So this issue with 4th Gen can be solved ???? I have had some issues with my 2.2 iDTEC EX 2013 driving on icy & loose surfaces & 4x4 not activated. I’m not Happy. So Did you sort out this issue with your 4th gen vehicle ? Many thanks 🙏🏼
The 2010 (facelift/restyle model) with a 2.2 i-dtec, diesel engine, is a bit more reactive due to higher torque. But generally this display is accurate.
No, you're not right. CRV 3Gen has a mechanical drive based on the hydraulic principle in the rear differential.
@@tomasj.2651 Not right regarding to what aspect? I know what system does 3rd have, owning and driving one for 9 years. If you read attentively, I was saying that the 2010 facelift is a bit more reactive than the 2007 one, having more torque...
@@tomasj.2651 The 3rd generation all-wheel drive system uses a ball clutch that gives a preload of 35%.
@@RTI_MD facelift has not changed the awd system.
@@isf4801 Not correct. It still uses dual pump system but with pilot clutch added. Pilot clutch has a ball-cam mechanism (ramps) which makes the system faster reacting but it doesn't keep any 35% preload.
Honestly I wouldn’t ever take my CRV off road or expect it to get me out of tough situations... it’s a glorified car on stilts basically. I like it cause I don’t have to bend over to put in car seats for my kid and easy to get in and out of.
I use my crv 3gen in heavy conditions this car very reliable and stable on country side roads, and farmers roads pretty good handle and comfort suspension, but my crv was on manual transmission (2,0).
The earlier Gens are better at AWD. These are just light snow and rain. Honda's main selling point is safety and reliability.
@@brandonar868 1st and 2nd generation have the same awd system as 3rd. Only pilot clutch was added in 3rd for faster operation.
@@brandonar868 first CRVs nad tej wprost AWD ever made ..They were basicly FWD
Very good test, thanks ...
Thanks for the video, so it would not be advisable to buy the 2012-2014 model? I was thinking of going for it, what I see I do not know if to acquire it ...
That is very good car. But if you need solid awd system then it won't be good choice. The question is how strong do you need it.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers how about for snow with good snow tires?
@@CMDROldDuck It won't help the awd system. It will be better than 2WD but still far behind the awd competition.
Still driving my 3rd generation from 2009. It’s so damn reliable. Note that your engine sizes are wrong. It’s a 2.4 liter engine, not 2.0
Nothing is wrong, this was 2.0 version tested.
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel 2.0 engine did not exist in that series
owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2007/CR-V/specs
@@davidcarlin3850 Of course it did. Just check what R20A is. I believe you are from US/Canada so you probably did not have it on your market.
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel gotcha. Yes my apology thought these were US cars
Man that 4th is embarrassing, how could honda scam people like that? They knew what they were doing, u cant design a car and not know what u are selling, they did the tests and installed the cheap systems.
Thank You! Amazing comparison! Video is very useful!
Thanks! More interesting things about CR-V IV awd system coming soon.
Would really like to see gen 2. Does it have the same system as gen 3?
Still waiting for volunteer. Gen 2 is slightly different - it doesn't have the pilot clutch in dual-pump system so its reaction is slower.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you!
@@Dorngrunder You may find HR-V on my channel, it has the same awd system as gen 2 of CR-V.
I have a 4th gen - Could it be the tires? Mine is great and feels like it's got great traction.
What production year, what gearbox and what engine (diesel or petrol) do you have?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I own a 2013 model Diesel with a 5 speed automatic transmission.
Can you find a first gen and try these tests? I’m curious how the rt4wd would handle
On Sunday morning there will be a test of HR-V which has the same awd system as 1st gen of CR-V.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers wrong. HRV system is not permanently engaged
@@2Bad2Real And where did I say it is?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you said is the same system but that's the point, is not. On CRV 1st gen the 4wd is always engaged. On HRV is not.
@@2Bad2Real Both have the same Dual-Pump awd system. It is not permanently powering rear wheels in none of these cars.
Generation 3 is kickin ass! 💪💪💪
Seit der der der Erste CRV raus bis heute ist des ein ein Traum von Auto. Für mich ist es ein sehr schönes cool Auto
so buy an old or a very new but skip the middle one
In my opinion K24 engine 2nd generation CRV AWD & very timeless good design the best crv ever no doubt!!
Hi I really like these videos, they are very informative. Can you test a few more Volvo`s if possible thanks.
Thanks. There are tests of a few Volvo cars on my channel.
Треха - самая лучшая cr-v, самая удачная.
Согласен!
I think 4th gen just works more as an economy road car by moving the front wheels first and then the back ones
The Old Dual Pump system seems to transfer enough torque to the rear axle (2 rear wheels with enough traction), and the reaction is fast but the traction control doesn't seem to transfer enough torque to the rear wheel with traction. Traction Control limitation or overall, not enough torque to the rear axle ?
I think that's combination of both.
Traction control on these models is not the fastest to react and yeah the torque is limited. I might be wrong, but i think i read some data saying it's up to 40%.
@@RTI_MD In 5th generation the system can send 57% more torque to the rear (what gives 40% of engine torque) than in 4th.
I was referring to 3rd gen, which the original comment was on too. Max 40% of the torque could be sent to the rear axle
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, i also think that. There is an interesting thing ; the difference in behavior of the ESP. On Gen 3th and Gen 4th, the Traction Control seems to be at 100% dependant of the ESP, but on Gen 5th, no. The Traction Control funtion continues to work as it's an independant system (it's possible on some other cars ; mercedes ML w163 ETS + EPS, Land Rover ETC + DSC, etc.) .
I couldn't tell the difference in the model years, i'm not a Honda man to be able to tell just by looking at them. So which one did the best in the video?
At the intro you have pictures and description of each car. 5th did the best.
I dont care what no body says, I'm keeping my 3rd gen crv for everrrrrrr, never going near those earth nightmare engines
CRV-3, 2011 так привык, что не могу продать. Мой маленький БМП.
I love how that “rock” the newer two but not the 3rd gen. It seems the 3rs is superior.
Czy bardzo, bardzo, bardzo serdecznie można Was poprosić o przetestowanie T-Roca 2.0 TSI 4Motion? :)
Może w jakimś połączeniu z Karoq albo jeszcze lepiej - Atecą?
Jeżeli tylko znajdzie się ktoś chętny z T-Roc albo Karoq, to z miłą chęcią przetestujemy. Ateca jest tutaj: th-cam.com/video/v9fAp_VA1DQ/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dzięki za błyskawiczną odpowiedź.
Zatem mam wielką nadzieję, że się ktoś taki znajdzie : D
Bo mam na celowniku ten samochód i właśnie wersję z tym napędem, i jestem ciekaw jakby sobie poradził na tle innych, podobnych samochodów (stąd pomysł na porównanie z Karoqiem czy Atecą). Test Ateci oczywiście widziałem. Kanał i pomysł na filmy bardzo fajny, pozdrawiam :)
Not really sure what the issue is with 4 gen AWD. Have read dozens of comments herewith. Supposedly two main reasons for 4 gen low performance are: 1) AWD system's software/firmware, and 2) clutch pack is weaker as compared to 3 gen.
I used to own 3 gen of 2006, 2.4 litres, US edition. My first crossover. Loved it indeed. It had about 175 000 miles on clock when I decided to sell it. It ran fine, ageing anyways though. Engine would be not that silent when cold only.
Now I own 4 gen. 2.4. It is known that this gen 2.4 engine is a bit different: torque slightly higher as well as HP. Power steering is electrical, not hydraulic. I think electrical steering saves a bit of power and this is one of the reasons why 4 Gen takes off a bit easier. I like the 4 Gen's performance more. On the highway the RPM is less at the same speed.
As for the relative off-road capacity: drove 4 Gen to mountain ski camp on a slippery road. Driving was confident, no issues with slipping. In the city as well - setting off on an icy road uphill from the traffic light as if on a dry surface. Also noticed on 4 Gen the Stabilization system working when driving on icy road. Never noticed the same on Gen 3.
Btw, on Gen 4 I am using the same winter tires I had on Gen 3 (kept them when sold the 3 Gen:)). They are Maxxis SS-01 Presa SUV. They are now 5+ y o, still grip quite well.
From my research - it's not about software and not about the clutch-pack, which is the same as in gen 3. The reason is the size of rear diff - it is way smaller than in gen 4. There were a few versions of it but none is able to hold high torque without falling into pieces.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers cannot disagree) Anyways, what is important to remember is that CRV is in no way an off-roader, I believe. In my case both Gens have always coped with the road situations they were intended for.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers th-cam.com/video/jkiv-bWbLIo/w-d-xo.html
@@marata6219 Yes, I know this video.
Pytanie tylko czy 4 generacja to był już model z nowym oprogramowaniem tylnego napędu, ponieważ modele z początku produkcji 2013 za późno włączały tylny Napęd i było i tym głośno, w roku 2014 honda zmieniła oprogramowanie sterowania tylnego napędu i działa on całkiem inaczej tylna oś jest włączana szybciej .
Najpierw Honda twierdziła, że sprzęgło napędu jest za słabe. Później zmienili oprogramowanie, po czym.. Wrócili do tego pierwotnego. Sprawą zajmował się Teknikens Värld.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers osobiście jeżdżę crv z roku 2014 z listopada i mam porównanie do mojego znajomego który ma rocznik 2013 i u niego system działa gorzej niż u mnie .
@@ukaszmaslanka3086 Zapraszam na test, porównamy 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers chętnie ale mieszkam w Niemczech nie wie bywam w państwa okolicy 😉
@@ukaszmaslanka3086 OK 🙂
1st and 2nd models are unbeatable
What wheels are those on the 3rd gen? Those kinda make the car look amazing.
Unfortunately I have no information.
I am really disappointed in my 3rd gen 2011, previously i owned two gen 2 petrol and diesel and they both pulled my caravan out of slippery situations i.e. muddy fields, my gen 3 2011 goes no where. I have been researching if there is a problem with the rear differential.
Is it petrol, diesel? MT or AT?
I accidentally deleted your comment, sorry. The ones with AT have slightly better awd tuning but still weak: th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
You should definitely try out the facelift of the gen4, the system was returned and works much better
I will if I find a volunteer... Honda claimed that clutch-pack is to weak so that would be interesting.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I can be ur volunteer. I have a remapped vituned 2013 CR-V EX AWD it's still stock just aftermarket Intake with bolts on and aftermarket exhaust. Its AWD works great btw I'm in the U.S.
@@TC926 You probably have AT. They work better but still far behind the competition: th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes mine is AT with k24z7. I know it's FWD biased reactive AWD and it's not as good as Acura's SH-AWD. But still it'll be interesting to see if a tuned CR-V can do any better. Tuned cars have more hp and torque than stocks. And maybe the manual 4th gen CR-V doesn't have enough constant torque to send to the rear wheels, or the clutch is interfering with the reactive AWD system. However, the 2.4 and the 1.6 diesel CR-V should have enough low end torque to distribute to the rear
@@TC926 It's not the matter of engine torque, there's just a few Nm needed here. It's the matter of awd system itself.
What tires should I get for winter, I just bought a used 3 gen and I live in pittsburgh
Unfortunately I don't know the Pennsylvania climate.
Geração antiga matando a pau as mais novas....
i really want to know is the awd no use? i mean the up to the 2022 5th gen model..could at tires remedy this?
AWD system in 5th gen works very well. Tires do not influence the test.
The earlier Gens are better at AWD. These are just for light snow and rain. Honda's main selling point is safety and reliability.
Rollers are the worst case scenario and shows how different awd systems work. In real world it works fine with decent winter tires in snow where a front or rear driven vehicle would stuck, i own a 3rd gen that looks like the one in this video with a 2.2 diesel.
Yes, rollers simulate tough scenarios, here is video about roller tests vs real world situations: th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
RD1 and RD5 and the superior Gens.
Witam
Czyli w Hondzie CV-R III 2007/2008 jest lepiej niż w nowszej. CV-R IV generacji. Starsza (poprzednia) wyjeżdża z blokady kół przednich, a nowsza generacja CV-R IV 20012/2013 już ma problemy, nie jedzie.... Dobrze zrozumiałem film? Ciekawe że na filmie najnowsza V generacji radzi sobie dobrze tak jak starsza generacji III-ej. ;-). Ciekawe! Może faktycznie kwestia jakiegoś oprogramowania (opcji 4x4) auta... ? Ja w mojej problemu żadnego z 4x4 na razie nie miałem. Pozdrawiam
Trzecia generacja to dual-pump, mechaniczny układ dołączający tylną oś w przypadku uślizgu przedniej. W czwartej generacji zastosowano sprzęgło wielotarczowe sterowane elektronicznie, ale - jak tłumaczyła Honda - za słabe, aby przenieść wystarczająco dużo momentu, aczkolwiek sterowanie jest już niby proaktywne. W generacji piątej zastosowano mocniejsze sprzęgło.
At 4:55 rear brake disc almost catching fire...🤯🤯🤯
That's a reflection of red car behind the camera.
Is the software upgrade done for the 4 gen. CrV for better performence on the rear axle? Espaciali for that in the video?
I have no information.
1st gen crv w/ 5 speed manual transmission amd 2nd gen w/ 5 speed manual transmission. Those are the best crvs of all generations
a bit irrelevant but my aunt has 2013 crv fwd 120HP and its a very beautiful comfortable car :D and she averages 5.0 liter/100km. she usually shifts at 2000rpm and drives 70-80km/h. manual
Probably better than these AWD version with snow tures.
@@normt5463 she doesnt use snow tires but yea, snow tires are always way more effevtive then awd in slippery conditions
The 4th gen probably should have come with smaller tires. That would give it a lower drive ratio and better torque.
Can you give test but with all model with automatic transmission ? Still give usdm 4th gen on test if you come to Bosnia.
Here's AT: th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers think on all 3 generation same test to do same transmission
@@FuriousHondaBoy All up to volunteers.