Hindsight is 20/20, there are plenty of players that we sold that havent gone on to achieve much, and the money we got helped us buy players that we did win titles with
They need someone like Pochettino to develop players while sorting out the starters as well. This will never happen with their current club culture because a manager like that needs more than 2 seasons.
The loan system is definitely unethical but it could be corrected and be used to it’s fullest potential. U said for every Kevin De bruynes there’s 4 josh mcheachrans. But Josh Mceachran was never a bad prospect in fact he was probably way better than Kdb when he made his debut at 17. The problem was we sent him on loan to long ball championship teams that don’t play to his capabilities which doesn’t make him a bad player at all. The clear problem at chelsea is the lack of a long term football philosophy and sporting director who focuses on the decisions on the pitch. We have an incredible youth system the best in the world bar none yet we struggle to intergrate these high level technically gifted prospects because we hire short term managers that don’t fit the philosophy and vision of the club (don’t ask why). Short term Managers like Conte and mourinho aren’t suited to this new chelsea because they don’t have it in their football philosophy to use a 20 year old Kevin de bruyne with all his potential because he don’t fit his philosophy simple. Conte admitted that he thought Ruben Loftus cheek was the best player in training at chelsea but thought it was too much of a risk to use him so he insisted on the likes of bakayoko and drinkwater despite RLC easily being a better player than both. This is all because of a lack of an overriding philosophy at the club with a long-term vision in using these amazing prospects we have and a lack of a football director to implement this strategy so we don’t lose RLC, Mount, Boga, Tammy, Kenedy, Clarke salter, Hudson Odoi, Zouma and many more only for them to Turn into the next KDB, Salah and Lukaku even Mata.
Every Monday mate don't say RLC is better than drinkwater and bakayoko when drinkwater won the league together with kante and bakayoko won the French league with Monaco and got them to semi finals loftus cheek has achieved nothing, just because Chelsea is having a bad season so are the players doesn't make RLC any better mate
lunt banzi look if u haven’t ever watched RLC then u wouldn’t know and collective trophies doesn’t make u better than the other. I’m not saying RLC is better than Lemar or Mbappe if we signed them fine. But have u seen bakayoko this season? And drinkwater isn’t no Mahrez or Kante. Drinkwater is the most average player ever so of course he jump at signing for chelsea let’s be honest. Individually as players there not better even with the limited game time as RLC and they don’t have anywhere near the same ability or potential as him that’s a fact. If u think otherwise remember Salah didn’t play because Cuadrado signed and whose better now? Stop with the short term thinking
Every Monday mate we didn't even use cauadrado he didn't even play😂😂 at the time we had willian and hazard put wide there was no space for salah and he wasnt even that good had potential but we were all happy with him leaving. Judge RLC when he's played a full season mate then u can start talking u say I'm a short term thinker yet the ppl I've mentioned have played how many PL full seasons or just full league season and RLC hasn't and his injury prone..u didnt even remember that. I'm not saying RLC is not good enough I've always liked him but he'd be good for squad depth and rotation and it doesn't look like he wants that at all
This video in contradictory. Chelsea are clearly, as shown in the video, making profits *because* of player development not by putting it ahead of player development. Sure Chelsea may only be reaping financial benefits but the players who don't play at Chelsea but came through mostly did because they got time sent out on loan. Chelsea probably has the most players out of their academy playing 2nd tier or higher football in Europe. If i was a youngster i would go to chelsea as even though i know i may not make the grade as i know that i would at least get playing time somewhere. Especially considering the alternative at City or utd which is spending a few years in the reserves with little to no experience then being sold to a championship side or lower or just being released. At least at Chelsea players get experience out on loan in real pressure situations, even if it is at Vitesse. Chelseas loan system is actually far more ethical than simply letting a player stagnate on the bench for years before, ruining their careers, then releasing them. Although i do understand why Chelsea fans are angered by this. They did after all let go of De Bruyne and Salah.
It doesn't really help when there is no clear progression within the club. Our youth play a very different kind of Football when compared to the senior teams 3-4-3 that clearly takes time to adapt for a youngster. You need a philosophy like City now have. Let's hope the new manager next season will be in with that mentality. (Tuchel)
Good points, I think the biggest problem is the Owner that demand silverware EVERY season. It is difficult task to ask a manager to give youngster a chance and win the title/CL.
DragonPlays Roman didn't demand anything this season didn't last season either he wanted stability after the mourihno season if conte finished in top 4 with no trophies that's absolutely fine
I completely agree, especially on who the new coach should be, but unfortunately i've being reading that Tuchel has already come to agreements with PSG :(
With the amount of pressure Chelsea managers face to win trophies, they don’t have the time and patience it takes to develop young players. Simple as that.
Which players are failing? The ones who go on to better things at the club's expense? Or the ones who were never good enough for Chelsea, get more money as a youth player than they would at another club and eventually go on to have the exact same career as they would have had? Or failing players like Moses, Courtois and Christensen who prove themselves on loan and then get the place they deserve? Nah, it's not failing any players. Players who are good enough will achieve wherever they go, whether they're kept on at Chelsea or let go to achieve their potential. Chelsea's system has failed zero players, the players fail themselves if they end up at Doncaster. It is however, failing the club to have so many talented players to then go and sell them for less than their value and then have them bang goals against them and win titles and trophies for their rivals.
So it's failing the academy players who get a fantastic education so they have a fall back in case football doesn't work out, which it usually does as most of them end up with very respectable careers if not better earning loads of money in the process. But keep telling yourself it's failing the players
no one could've predict Salah or KDB, maybe Lukaku they asked Lampard who played with them when they were in Chelsea and he said they showed no signs of being this good
the main point is no one knows the future, the youngster need regular playtime which is hard at chelsea prolly not just chelsea but other top club that compete for championship, and its better to play at top level on different country rather than play for u-23 or u-18, so the player will be ready for top level game simple as that.
LewisEdits Not really Both nether got the chance at Chelsea both then had managers who believed in them, then both became the best players in England it’s clear if they were given a chance (I understand how they weren’t good enough at the time but they still should have had a chance) they could then prove either one of our points but I’m glad they didn’t otherwise we wouldn’t have mo Salah at Liverpool
A D It’s irrelevant because when they were here they weren’t good enough. It’s simple. They all would’ve just stayed on the bench anyway. Leaving and learning from different coaches ect. is what made them great players. KDB wasn’t just going to be a regular with Lampard, Ramirez and Matic here. He would’ve needed at least half a season of top level play to even have a chance to break into the team and when he was here he wasn’t great yet and his confidence wasn’t anywhere near what it is now. So saying Chelsea had Lukaku, KDB, and Salah is irrelevant because had they stayed they wouldn’t have been as good, leaving is what helped them.
They were all better than their Chelsea counterpart in the seasons they were out on loan. Chelsea should never have sold any of them. These stats all compare the players with Chelsea’s best player in a similar position. Crazy to think Chelsea loaned them out and chose multiple players over them, not just one player. Salah Fiorentina 14/15 26 Appearances - 9 Goals - 7 Assists - 0.34 goals per game and 0.27 assists per game Chelsea’s BEST winger 14/15 Hazard - 52 Appearances - 19 Goals - 9 Assists - 0.36 goals per game and 0.17 assists per game Hazard 0.02 more goals, Salah 0.10 more assists... seems Salah has edged that one. Salah Roma 15/16 42 Appearances - 15 Goals - 11 Assists - 0.36 goals per game and 0.26 assists per game Chelsea’s BEST winger 15/16 Pedro - 40 Appearances - 8 Goals - 5 Assists - 0.2 goals per game and 0.13 assists per game Salah with 0.16 more goals and 0.13 more assists. Salah by far better. De Bruyne Werder Bremen 12/13 34 Appearances - 10 Goals - 17 Assists - 0.29 goals per game and 0.5 assists per game Chelsea’s BEST midfielder 12/13 Mata - 64 Appearances - 20 Goals - 12 Assists - 0.31 goals per game and 0.19 assists per game Mata with 0.02 more goals and De Bruyne with 0.10 more assists. That’s a De Bruyne win. Lukaku West Brom 12/13 38 Appearances - 17 Goals - 0.44 goals per game Chelsea’s BEST striker 12/13 Torres - 64 Appearances - 22 Goals - 0.34 goals per game Lukaku with 0.10 more goals. Lukaku Everton 13/14 33 Appearances - 16 Goals - 0.48 goals per game Chelsea’s BEST striker 13/14 Eto’o - 35 Appearances- 12 Goals - 0.34 goals per game Lukaku with 0.14 more goals.
Chelsea give players a career in football whether that is at Chelsea or elsewhere. I don't think the players would deem it 'unethical' when they are sold to another Prem club and earn £40,000 a week.
Harrison Leggo it’s definitely unethical when u price out great loan destinations for the players because u need numbers for pre season even though the player will never play in the regular season. When u freeze dom solanke a 19 year old from playing football for year because he wants to leave because he sees no opportunities that’s very unethical especially for a 19 year old
What about Juventus? They at least have a little over 40 players out on loan(some of which are over 23). If Chelsea’s loan system is part of the game, then Juve’s is unethical.
Is this even a debate? Man City, Man Utd & Liverpool are all above them with 3 former Chelsea "Youth" talents instrumental for each team. It's embarrassing. It's crazy that Mourinho still gets blamed when it's so apparent it's all Chelsea, they're taking in way too many & barely any have made it to the first team.
Matt Moore dude as a fan myself then I knew there wasn't space for him ramires was there so was john obi mikel with fucking oscar NO SPACE 😂 dont act like something better could've been done
Hindsight is 20/20, for every Salah, Lukaku, and De Bruyne there are many who wont achieve as much. If we treat every youth player like the future Salah we will end up more disappointed than happy. Besides we sold Salah, Lukaku and DB in 2014, which helped us buy players like Costa and Fabregas, with Costa being especially important in winning the season that year.
Jamie Thannoo and with conte last season and mate I love ppl like you because we think outside the box there will always be peiple wholl cry about salah and so on, why didn't they cry when we let them go?
It is quite obvious that Chelsea’s loan system is honestly useless. Having players like de bruyne, lukaku & salah not at the club anymore and the fact that we loan out players like musonda and loftus cheek is ridiculous because we invest in players that end up not wanting to stay at the club anymore. Nothing will change though, because as a Chelsea fan this is a narrative that we have seen and have been preaching for years now
Korede Afolabi who is musonda gonna play over i think callum hudson odoi has played better than him, but this system has worked with players like courtois, moses and christensen
Sam Uranga I honestly don’t think musonda has been giving much of a chance at the club. I agree that hudson-odoi has played well but I would rather see them both of them play over Pedro sometimes to be honest. We know how good hudson-odoi is but he has never been given a full run of games. We only really see these players ‘play’ when it’s pre-season and it’s unfortunate. The loan system has worked for a handful of players but in the long run it has been a failure for what they were hoping to achieve
Korede Afolabi i agree with you except that only a handful of players from these youth systems actually becomes first team worthy so its not a failure its just really hard to become a pro
current Barca board is no different. the number of players we lost in the last 4-6 years actually hurts. 1. Adama Traore 2. alen halilovic 3. Munir El Haddadi 4. Sergi Samper 5. Deulofeu (yes he was given a chance in the 1st team but the deulofeu that played in the youth team was lost) 6. lee seung woo and many more....
37 is a LOT :D :D LOOOL I'm managing Chelsea on FM and currently have 130 players out on loan, all salary payed by loaning clubs and most of them pay me 250k per month of loan. Yearly we make about 90 mil. and when players develop I either use them, sell or if they don't develop release WIN WIN WIN. I know it's just a game, no need to tell me. But it's still fun.
#Xtreme Gaming85 they all had huge chances at chelsea where they could prove themselves but they didnt consistantly. They all had poor season when they were all loaned out out. De bruyne was poor at werder bremen and salah was poor at roma so mourinho sold them. They never proved themselves and man city made de bruyne and salah was excellent in his last roma season so it wasnt mourinhos fault. They wouldnt have been the same players now if they stayed at chelsea
Is not just about missing out on talent. The manager in charge has to use a system which brings out the best in that specific talent. Its not about what a certain player can do you for your team necessarily, its about what he does or can do for another team. Yes, De bruyne was a miss, but him dominating in the Guardiola system does NOT guarantee that he would be as good with Contes system. Many can say that Busquets is a master holding midfielder, but that does not mean he would be as good as Kante at running and tackling. So this Chelsea system is not about developing the best players, its really just about finding the right talent, for the right manager and the right tactical system which they are using at that specific point in time.
You can't exactly criticise it much, the system isn't helping them get into chelseas team, but quite a few still get into the higher leagues of football more than most, and sometimes selling them off to become a star at other clubs like De Bruyne at Wolfsburg, lukaku at chelsea and ake at bournemouth
You said it, in terms of Balancing the books and Net Spend Chelsea is in full compliance with FFP. Over the past 3 maybe 4 seasons Even Brighton has a higher Net Spend than the blues. That said some of our players have been victims of managers who lack vision and are only in for the short term. What the club needs is a manager who can bring through the talented youths.
I totally agree with this video, but another thing that Salah, KDB, and Lukaku have in common is that they were all under Mourinho, and he had a lot to do with them being sold. If it was any other manager, I think they would still play for Chelsea.
Thank you for shedding light on this matter because is pissing me off to see such talented youngsters go to waste Chelsea need to appoint the u18 coach as a manager because I think only him can give them a chance
It is a bit stupid tbh. We need to use a bit of youth and experience in our lineup. We need to get players like rcl, baker Abraham Zouma and batshuayi back and develop them as we are not splashing cash properly and backing the managers.
This is a problem not only Chelsea have. Look at Barcelona. It's been ages since you've seen a decent a La Masia player actually get a big spot on the team. Hell Barcelona has scrapped that and now just breing talent from other clubs at the same rate as other big spenders.
The Chelsea model is very logical. I always end up doing it when I play Football Manager to great success (makes the game a bit boring tbh) You scout youth extensively, buy good prospects cheap and put 2-3 of them in the squad of approximately 25 players, then loan out the rest, keep buying. Of course sometimes players come back and score against you, but does that really matter when the alternative would be to not buy them and sell them of for profit in the first place? I'm actually surprised not more teams follow the Chelsea model...
As a Chelsea fan, I have always though the sales of Bertrand, lukaku and De bruyne were mistakes, but what I hate is when pundits and TH-cam channels say we didn't give mo salah a chance. We really did and he showed no promise to be any better than someone like Marko Marin. So Chelsea sold him and (almost certainly) the rejection from a big club caused him to really improve into what he is now.
Liverpool had this problem although not to the extent that Chelsea does - if you look at what Klopp said on the issue when he first arrived he was very confused about what Rodgers had done and put a stop to it. Sure Liverpool still have players out on loan - but it's far less extreme than it used to be. If you have that many players how do you even keep track of who is doing well and who isn't. Somebody at Chelsea should be bringing that under control. There should be restrictions on total numbers of players at a club including on Loan for anybody over a certain age like 16/17/18 to give young and not so young players a proper chance to develop.
I am a chelsea fan and if i wanted to play for chelsea coming up through a youth system i would have to go to another pl team and hope that cfc would buy me when i am established
Echoing similar comments here, the club does not have a long term plan, this is the biggest issue. The end of this season is a perfect opportunity to start fresh: - Board to decide what it whats the club to be (they dont have a clue just now) - Part ways with Conte - Get a new director of football - Get a new manager who isnt a celebrity and give him time - Sell Hazard and Courtois I'd give the job to Rogers. Seriously, there will no fan fare and he wont be expected to win the league or CL. Let the club have some continuity for a change! Lets build something!
The problen with Chelsea is that within the club they operate a different way like youth level and u23 play attractive whereas the first team play pragmatic football. What fails us is that we appoint the wrong mangers for the first team which hinders us overall. Hopefully we realise it this season and get a Manager like Thomas Tuchel.
Worst of all its terrible (a lot of the time) for the players, they get a lack of experience and struggle to make a name for themselves (high wage to compensate ofc). Think if all the young players who could be playing regularly in league one, building a reputation and the benefits that would bring for smaller clubs who at the moment rely on cheap loans because they have little talent to sell... Delli Ali is a perfect example of what playtime and reputation can do for a young payer
Chelsea's transfer office is a disaster, they have a lot of talent and a great training system, but they have made big mistakes when deciding who stays or who goes. Also, if they have that many players, they shouldnt make top signings that often
Chelsea & Juve (49 loans) make money from loans. Though they give chances to many but kdb & Salah decision was stupid. Chelsea need to realise that they can't win league every year in PL so they need to build the team over certain number of seasons. Point is Chelsea can't do an era if they keep on doing this
Nice Video,The Loan System should at Least Significantly decrease over Time.Luckily,we still have many Great Talents,and we need to them wisely+Give them their chance.I Really feel We should Recall Loftus-cheek, Thorgan Hazard and Kurt Zouma From Loan and sell bakayoko next season.
Probably going to get a lot of stick for this but here goes anyway... Salah still has to prove himself. The real test for him starts now as having a wonder first season means the pressure is on for him to continue like that. Only then will we know that Chelsea have really messed up. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, in fact he’s pretty incredible, but it’s being able to maintain them performances over seasons which will solidify that regret. Lukaku, though impressive, manages to find himself lost in games. Like any striker, he’s reliant on good service and Man United’s style of play isn’t really centred around attacking. Under Mourinhio, Lukaku is being held back as the defensive element to their team games mean he’s not getting much of the ball and, when he does, he doesn’t know what to do with it. Granted, there has been performances where he’s really shone and proved his worth but it’s clear that when released in his Belgium strip,he’s much much more impressive. For Chelsea though, his mid season dip would’ve seen him out the squad much like Morata, who has benched ahead of Giroud KDB is probably the real loss for Chelsea. His intelligence on the ball as well as his control and goal scoring and assisting ability is something that Chelsea could’ve benefited from. That being said, they have signed Jorginho, who controls the midfield very well and has a knack for placing the right pass. He, under Sarri, might prove that the loss of KDB wasn’t all bad. That being said, Chelsea have let these 3 incredible footballers slip through the net. All for a better cause though, at that time, because there’s little to no way KDB or Salah would have have had the seasons they’ve had at their respective clubs under Jose in his last season at Chelsea
I've always looked at Chelsea's approach to both players and managers as being short term quick fixes that ultimately will lead to long term problems. They've had a wealth of young talent, both domestic and foreign, for most of Romans reign as owner, and yet ONLY John Terry has broken through their academy and gone on to have a (great) career with Chelsea. That is absolutely telling! Whilst their approach has still yielded them multiple EPL titles, domestic cup successes, and a CL and EL title, what about their players for the future? They often become surplus to requirements every time a new manager comes in who then always seeks to spend money, instead of tapping into the vast pool of home grown talent they have. Their academy has been the best in England for a few years now, yet their brightest star (Ruben Loftus Cheek) was loaned out to Crystal Palace in favour of signing the likes of Drinkwater, Bakayoko, and Barkley!? Come the end of the season Conte will no doubt leave or be sacked, and the next manager who takes over will simply repeat the actions of all his predecessors. This sequence of events has worked for them every 2-3 years, but eventually they won't be able to maintain this approach and will find top 4 finishes and trophies harder to achieve.
Gooner Maneuvers theres no long term thinking in that regard but I think the club have now realised what they need to do. Stop appointing short term managers like conte and mourinho who won’t bring sustained success to the club or intergrate these high potential players but instead higher a manager like Pochettino or Tuchel who will play the kids and develop them into world class players and this would result in a much longer more sustainable level of results and would help attract better players to the club. There’s no way chelsea should sign 31 year old Giroud from Arsenal’s bench and let Michy Batshuayi leave. Or let Loftus cheek leave on loan and sign drinkwater for 35million. Never
You really can't only blame the board for selling players. When managers don't want to play youth, it would seem like a much better idea to loan them out to get game time and progress. Antonio Conte had Loftus Cheek last season and didn't give him a start in the prem. Yep, you heard it right here, even after we won the league. The board deserve to be bashed for what they do, but the managers deserve a beating as well. Mourinho talking to KDB twice (only!) when he was with us tells you a lot. Roman should start forcing managers to play youth, otherwise there's really no point in having an academy that win records only to be sidelined for useless players like Bakayoko. When we're losing a game, get a youngster on the pitch, and not Pedro. They'll work their socks off to shine because they want a start, unlike the 30 year olds that sit on our bench. The season is over now, so we might as well give some kids a start or a cameo that's more than 10 minutes long. The ball is in your court, Conte and we know you'll disappoint just like all the other managers.
creativedreams exactly conte even told his assistant that if he was basing his starting 11 on training then RLC would be the first name on the team sheet and ola Alina would be in the first team and on the bench a lot more but he didn't trust them so never played them
I know. You'd think he'd give them a shot when we won the league. He constantly talks about how he picks players based on how well they do in training, but it seems like he's not a man of his word.
There are two ways to look at Chelsea’s loan system, it’s a tool for making money and to a very very very very small extent develop players. But, most of the time it results in chelsea getting screwed over in many cases.
Alternatively, players might want to come if they can prove that Chelsea's training gives them some sort of value-add that will increase their chance of making it at the top. Like Sporting and Ajax work on a similar model as Chelsea - mostly because they are comparatively poor and playing in less prestigious leagues - but players will still join up because they believe in their youth system and want to be a new Ronaldo or Cryuff
The thing is... Chelsea could be using these players for the league cup. Give the players from the 1st team a rest and play the youth vs teams like Swindon or Bristol etc
Unfortunately with the piss poor capacity of our ground, the club has to balance the books and this is their solution. As a fan, I can see the financial argument but it only works if they have the right people making decisions on which talent to keep/ sell. It’s never going to be a perfect science though.
Loan system is not that really bad. It's true that theres pro and cons. But if we look that there are 37 player chelsea loaned this season thats mean about 3.5 teams without including senior team. Instead become rotten in without player. Loaning player more relevant to make them develop. Salah, brune and lukaku even hard to develop if chelsea keep them without loan. The problem is chelsea not use them but sell them without giving chance after player loaned.
Different club and league rules, different financial situations, i mean Italian clubs earn a lot less than any PL team does so sending players out on loan is often mandatory. Same reason you see top level teams in Italy still having to loan in players.
Really really hoping Loftus cheek plays next season for Chelsea and that Callum hundson odio gets game time as he looks s tremendous talent! If that doesn’t happen something needs to change as there’s so much potential at the club.
As a fan, our loan system is a joke, we are literally a rich asf version of Parma (they had a load of players on loan too but Chelsea got the 1 up in this system). Like how can we consistently drain the talent and then regret it later when they come to fruition i.e. Salah+KDB..
The loan system hasn't failed the players nor is it unethical because at the end of the day if a player doesn't make it at chelsea he will go on to play top football in other teams, chelsea are giving careers to young players by letting them play onloan and showcase their abilities for other clubs to see. The problem is the lack of progression and sufficient path way to the first team. The managers they've hired haven't helped in that regard but if a proper system is set for the loanees that will give them a much higher priority rather than dipping into the transfer market. Another problem that needs to be sorted out is some of the destinations these loan players go to, the players that chelsea develop aren't championship caliber. They aren't built for that league, the disparity in quality between the championship and the premier league is ridiculous. Chelsea players are coached to play with the ball not hoof it at every opportunity. The argument that they need it to adapt to the physicality is bollocks. The bundesliga, the Portuguese leagues are much better than that tier. Lastly, There are rumors that chelsea intend to change their approach this summer. Hiring an excellent DOF and a manager that can work together, who arent crazy about "suffering without the ball" can save chelsea. Getting rid of deadwood from the club and supplementing them with some players from the loan army should take high priority. My squad for next season would be: Courtois Azpilicueta; Zouma; Christensen; Emerson kante RLC/Bakayoko Paslic/MVG Bailey hazard Morata Bench/Squad players: wily, kenedy, hudson-odoi, fabregas, sterling, mount, bastshuayi, alonso, giroud, baker, rudiger, JCS, boga.. Give that squad 2/3 seasons and we have a gem.
the problem with our loan system is that we don't reap any benefits of it other than a bit of money - but less money than if we kept them longer. it pisses me off that we sell such blatant superstars like we bruyne and lukaku
correction chelseas youth system doesnt piss off pundits because pundits dont care about youngsters coming through as an arsenal fan im used to seeing wenger play half the youth in the first round of the efl and fa cups which im more than happy about because its the perfect time for them to get 90 mins of real football but when wenger does this the pundits slam him for not taking these games seriously if playing up and coming talent means youre not taking a game seriously then England will never win am international trophy again and this talent will be resigned to the championship and below
That's the problem when you have a manager like Mourinho.. Who sold De Bryne and Lukaku.. He almost never gives the youth a chance. You have to be a established player when he comes to a club.
yeah in some way, chelsea falling to promote their best loanee, but that doesn't mean chelsea always waste any talent, instead they're bring more experience for a young one. the loan system maybe not the best thing, but if chelsea be more patient and give a young one more space, i think chelsea will be amazing. #KTBFFH
I'm a baseball guy (farm systems, etc) and I"ve got limited understanding of football finances... But why WOULDN'T you abuse the loan system? Basically buying other teams' talent, getting someone else to essentially pay fore most of its development and flipping it for a profit? Who wouldn't? The system is just there to take advantage of. And Chelsea - a club of their size - they should buy everything they can. Even if they overpay for younger talent and outsource it and hit on 3 of 20 - they'll cover their expenses. Sure, you'll have misses. The Cleveland Indians traded Cliff Lee AND Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon. But whatever - it subsidizes a lot. That smaller teams aren't doing it at insane levels is beyond me.
Because this is FUTBOL ! this shouldn't be a business. Only Chelsea does this and it doesn't work for them on the pitch. Real big teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona win Cups with pure talent and skill. They don't abuse the system. like this. Smaller teams cant afford to do this. Also Chelsea is owned by a billionaire that's why they do this. Smaller teams rely on talent they bring up from their youth system. Chelsea is a business club and its pathetic to the game.
How come smaller clubs couldn't afford this? I mean why not throw a lot of money into your youth academy and then just borrow good talent until you bring your guys up? Why not just loan your good talent out when you don't have the space? Just feels like a free farm system to me.
From the u18 up to the u19 we have a philosophy. Attacking football combined with solid defendig. We dominate youth football and will the quadtriple this season. We can‘t say this for the first team. They have no vision, no philosophy. We need to establish a philosophy and only go get a player, coach, staff member,... if he fits in this philosophy. I wouldn‘t mind playing for 10th place for 1-2 seasons but building a team that includes the likes of Hazard, Kante, Christensen + young players like Hudson-Odoi, Ampadu, Loftus-Cheek + promising players like Malcom,... . It‘s finally time to overthink. Put Jody Morris in charge and give him the chance he desevers. In terms of youth football we have the best academy in the world. It‘s time to contribute for our own first team and the national teams all over the world and maybe in 5-10 years we stand in line with the Ajax academy and La Masia.
I am a Chelsea fan and yes our loan system is so fucked up that no one can save us......we change managers after managers, get short-term success and that's it. It seems we are more like a business corporation rather than a Football club.....selling our best youth players and buying shit players, what kind of logic is that?? So fucked up!!
Lalo3g1 ermmm yes he is, the first team manager is the one who decides to call them up or loan them, look at all the top four even Mou at United have brought through youth players Klopp called up Trent and look at him now, 19 MOTM in a champions league quarter final
MOURINHO. You forgot it was mourinho who got rid of the main 3. Also how many trophies have Chelsea won compared to others. Most in the epl in the 2010's.
Let's not pretend Salah is the same case as the other two. It was clear he wasn't going to cut it at Chelsea. It was foolish to sell De Bruyne and Lukaku without buyback clauses though.
I don't care about De Bruyne, Salah, and Lukaku as much as I care about the youngsters that they already have. I think players like Batshuayi, Loftus-Cheek, Baker, Kenedy, Musonda, Mount, Colkett, and Tomori are all ready for the first team right now. They not only have the potential to be the best in the world, but they are better than what we got at the moment. Batshuayi is the next Drogba, 100%, I haven't been more confident about something more than this. He is not trusted by the manager so it hasn't worked out for him yet. Its not even a comparason with Giroud, Batshuayi is going to be the best striker in the world, I'd bet my house on it. Loftus-Cheek is a one of a kind player. There is not one thing he isn't good at. He would be a starter in any team in the world, you'd be stupid to leave him out. Baker is a player that people don't even talk about, but the talent is there. Hes not short of confidence, you start him, he has the killer instinct of a striker infront of goal but still has the flair and creativity to become the best number 10 in the world. Kenedy is your typical winger. Hes fast, skillful, and he can cross. Thats good enough, but hes more than that. Hes extremely fast, his skills would make Neymar jealous, his crossing is deadly. Not only that, but hes strong, his shot is insanely powerful, his workrate is end to end, and he helps the defense. What more could you ask for. Hes no Eden Hazard, but he is a real game changer. He has his own style, and for what he does, hes a must have in any team. Musonda is a player that I would compare to Ronaldinho when he is dribbling. It is impossible to get the ball off of him. His passing is insane, his shot is clinical, and he is extremely fast. Also has the potential to be one of the best in the world. Mason Mount is really young, but when you see him play, its as if he is in his prime. This guy reminds me of Kaka in his prime. His pace, agility, dribbling, strength, finishing ability, passing, etc.. This kid is the real deal. I might not put him in the starting 11 yet, but hes not far off. I would keep him on the bench as he could really change the game when brought on. I would also say he has the potential to be one of the best in the world. Colkett is a player that nobody talk about. I mean nobody. Not even Chelsea fans. He is one of those players that if he were from Italy or something, he would 100% be considered the best youngster in the world. You cannot find a player with his amazing passing ability, vision, flair, and his ability to control a game. He makes it look sooo easy. He will probably get sold to a small team and his talent would be wasted. I know for a fact that he would dominate the Premier League. I think he will be the best thing in football once he is given the chance at Chelsea. Lastly, Tomori, he is simply a beast. Winning the ball is made to look so easy with him. I trust him more than Cahill, Luiz, Rudiger all put together. He is extremely fast, strong, and will work his heart out every game. He needs to start for Chelsea real soon before he ends up leaving.
In my opinion, this is simply the way Chelsea operate their club. They possess the capital resources to have this kind of youth development system. It is Chelsea’s fault however, that they have allowed world beaters to slip through the cracks. And the more impressive youth prospects they bring in; the larger those cracks will become.
like salah said, chelsea's attitude towards letting newcomers play ruins players. Getting the fuck out of stamford is the only way for them to reach their goals and that's exactly what he did. Combined with a first team of lackluster overpaid, overrated players, Chelsea is only going downhill from here. I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea become a regular europa league team with the likes of leicester, arsenal, and/or everton. It's pretty embarrassing that your best domestic player is fucking ross barkley
It's not a case of ethics, it's just a cowardly approach. A club should sign one or two promising young players and nurture them into world class talent. Chelsea buy really young or already established players in their early 20's such as Salah, Debruyne and stunt their growth. Salah was solid with Basle and needed consistency at Chelsea. Instead he was loaned out. Loaning players does them no favour without direction. Chelsea are simply hoping a player returns world class. That will never happen. The players play in teams that play nothing like Chelsea and to be truthful Chelsea doesn't have a footballing philosophy. Which makes it difficult for new players.
Imagine Lukaku, Hazard and Salah up front and a midfield of Kante, De Bruyne and Matic. Fucks sake Chelsea lol
Yet people make fun of Arsene's "could have signed" players. Chelsea actually HAD those players signed up on long term contracts.
Lukaku is shit
Matic is shit, well not shit but not good enough for a top team way too slow wouldn’t need both him and Kante
TheHajinator Wow! That team would be unstoppable!!
Hindsight is 20/20, there are plenty of players that we sold that havent gone on to achieve much, and the money we got helped us buy players that we did win titles with
Nathan Akè is our player of the season for 2017-2018 🍒
Ricky Grimshaw I’m happy for him. He’s more than good enough for the prem and he will become world class
Too bad hes coming back in a year or so
Ya But maybe we should get rid of begovic
And get Jack Butland
UTCIAD
Ricky Grimshaw and bamford is one of our best players this year too
I really hope they don't waste Ruben Loftus Cheeks talents, he's the midfield muscle England needs
They need someone like Pochettino to develop players while sorting out the starters as well. This will never happen with their current club culture because a manager like that needs more than 2 seasons.
Sabelo Masemola thank god a sensible comment
He'll never move to Chelsea
pochettino would be long gone if he managing chelsea mate, he can do that cos its spurs, simple as that.
The loan system is definitely unethical but it could be corrected and be used to it’s fullest potential. U said for every Kevin De bruynes there’s 4 josh mcheachrans. But Josh Mceachran was never a bad prospect in fact he was probably way better than Kdb when he made his debut at 17. The problem was we sent him on loan to long ball championship teams that don’t play to his capabilities which doesn’t make him a bad player at all.
The clear problem at chelsea is the lack of a long term football philosophy and sporting director who focuses on the decisions on the pitch. We have an incredible youth system the best in the world bar none yet we struggle to intergrate these high level technically gifted prospects because we hire short term managers that don’t fit the philosophy and vision of the club (don’t ask why). Short term Managers like Conte and mourinho aren’t suited to this new chelsea because they don’t have it in their football philosophy to use a 20 year old Kevin de bruyne with all his potential because he don’t fit his philosophy simple. Conte admitted that he thought Ruben Loftus cheek was the best player in training at chelsea but thought it was too much of a risk to use him so he insisted on the likes of bakayoko and drinkwater despite RLC easily being a better player than both. This is all because of a lack of an overriding philosophy at the club with a long-term vision in using these amazing prospects we have and a lack of a football director to implement this strategy so we don’t lose RLC, Mount, Boga, Tammy, Kenedy, Clarke salter, Hudson Odoi, Zouma and many more only for them to Turn into the next KDB, Salah and Lukaku even Mata.
Every Monday mate don't say RLC is better than drinkwater and bakayoko when drinkwater won the league together with kante and bakayoko won the French league with Monaco and got them to semi finals loftus cheek has achieved nothing, just because Chelsea is having a bad season so are the players doesn't make RLC any better mate
lunt banzi look if u haven’t ever watched RLC then u wouldn’t know and collective trophies doesn’t make u better than the other. I’m not saying RLC is better than Lemar or Mbappe if we signed them fine. But have u seen bakayoko this season? And drinkwater isn’t no Mahrez or Kante. Drinkwater is the most average player ever so of course he jump at signing for chelsea let’s be honest. Individually as players there not better even with the limited game time as RLC and they don’t have anywhere near the same ability or potential as him that’s a fact. If u think otherwise remember Salah didn’t play because Cuadrado signed and whose better now? Stop with the short term thinking
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Every Monday mate we didn't even use cauadrado he didn't even play😂😂 at the time we had willian and hazard put wide there was no space for salah and he wasnt even that good had potential but we were all happy with him leaving. Judge RLC when he's played a full season mate then u can start talking u say I'm a short term thinker yet the ppl I've mentioned have played how many PL full seasons or just full league season and RLC hasn't and his injury prone..u didnt even remember that. I'm not saying RLC is not good enough I've always liked him but he'd be good for squad depth and rotation and it doesn't look like he wants that at all
kung fu kenny mate they different players ones a Cam other Cdm
Who’s watching this now when Mason Mount, Tammy Abraham, Reece James, Tomori, Gilmour and Hudson-Odoi are all guns
This video in contradictory. Chelsea are clearly, as shown in the video, making profits *because* of player development not by putting it ahead of player development. Sure Chelsea may only be reaping financial benefits but the players who don't play at Chelsea but came through mostly did because they got time sent out on loan. Chelsea probably has the most players out of their academy playing 2nd tier or higher football in Europe. If i was a youngster i would go to chelsea as even though i know i may not make the grade as i know that i would at least get playing time somewhere. Especially considering the alternative at City or utd which is spending a few years in the reserves with little to no experience then being sold to a championship side or lower or just being released. At least at Chelsea players get experience out on loan in real pressure situations, even if it is at Vitesse. Chelseas loan system is actually far more ethical than simply letting a player stagnate on the bench for years before, ruining their careers, then releasing them. Although i do understand why Chelsea fans are angered by this. They did after all let go of De Bruyne and Salah.
wrong Manchester United have the highest number of Academy products playing top tier football in the whole of Europe. Something like 40+ players.
It doesn't really help when there is no clear progression within the club.
Our youth play a very different kind of Football when compared to the senior teams 3-4-3 that clearly takes time to adapt for a youngster.
You need a philosophy like City now have.
Let's hope the new manager next season will be in with that mentality.
(Tuchel)
Good points, I think the biggest problem is the Owner that demand silverware EVERY season. It is difficult task to ask a manager to give youngster a chance and win the title/CL.
DragonPlays Roman didn't demand anything this season didn't last season either he wanted stability after the mourihno season if conte finished in top 4 with no trophies that's absolutely fine
I completely agree, especially on who the new coach should be, but unfortunately i've being reading that Tuchel has already come to agreements with PSG :(
lunt banzi Ok I don't follow Chelsea so I assume he has not changed.
DragonPlays no problem mate good dayy
Since there in the Europa next year they can rotate the youth
morton ainscough I want to focus on the league next season. I couldn’t really care about europa tbh
Willian Borges da Silva That’s his point
Willian Borges da Silva I think Chelsea need to sign Nemanja Matic back selling him was he worst thing you’ve done for awhile
Never happening sadly.
With the amount of pressure Chelsea managers face to win trophies, they don’t have the time and patience it takes to develop young players. Simple as that.
It's not failing the CLUB, they're making money off it. It's failing the PLAYERS.
Which players are failing? The ones who go on to better things at the club's expense? Or the ones who were never good enough for Chelsea, get more money as a youth player than they would at another club and eventually go on to have the exact same career as they would have had? Or failing players like Moses, Courtois and Christensen who prove themselves on loan and then get the place they deserve? Nah, it's not failing any players. Players who are good enough will achieve wherever they go, whether they're kept on at Chelsea or let go to achieve their potential. Chelsea's system has failed zero players, the players fail themselves if they end up at Doncaster. It is however, failing the club to have so many talented players to then go and sell them for less than their value and then have them bang goals against them and win titles and trophies for their rivals.
If they kept Salah Dr bruyne and Lukaku they would have probably 450 million. That would be commercially better
So it's failing the academy players who get a fantastic education so they have a fall back in case football doesn't work out, which it usually does as most of them end up with very respectable careers if not better earning loads of money in the process. But keep telling yourself it's failing the players
no one could've predict Salah or KDB, maybe Lukaku
they asked Lampard who played with them when they were in Chelsea and he said they showed no signs of being this good
It is failing the club. We lose money by losing the league and missing the champions league.
2:50 actual match footage of Thibaut Courtois
the main point is no one knows the future, the youngster need regular playtime which is hard at chelsea prolly not just chelsea but other top club that compete for championship, and its better to play at top level on different country rather than play for u-23 or u-18, so the player will be ready for top level game simple as that.
Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku wouldn't be anywhere near their current level had they stayed at Chelsea it's an irrelevant point to make.
LewisEdits Lukaku could’ve been the chosen one. Agreed about Salah and De Bruyne though
LewisEdits Not really Both nether got the chance at Chelsea both then had managers who believed in them, then both became the best players in England it’s clear if they were given a chance (I understand how they weren’t good enough at the time but they still should have had a chance) they could then prove either one of our points but I’m glad they didn’t otherwise we wouldn’t have mo Salah at Liverpool
And that is the problem, so it’s not irrelevant....
A D It’s irrelevant because when they were here they weren’t good enough. It’s simple. They all would’ve just stayed on the bench anyway. Leaving and learning from different coaches ect. is what made them great players. KDB wasn’t just going to be a regular with Lampard, Ramirez and Matic here. He would’ve needed at least half a season of top level play to even have a chance to break into the team and when he was here he wasn’t great yet and his confidence wasn’t anywhere near what it is now.
So saying Chelsea had Lukaku, KDB, and Salah is irrelevant because had they stayed they wouldn’t have been as good, leaving is what helped them.
They were all better than their Chelsea counterpart in the seasons they were out on loan. Chelsea should never have sold any of them.
These stats all compare the players with Chelsea’s best player in a similar position. Crazy to think Chelsea loaned them out and chose multiple players over them, not just one player.
Salah Fiorentina 14/15
26 Appearances - 9 Goals - 7 Assists - 0.34 goals per game and 0.27 assists per game
Chelsea’s BEST winger 14/15
Hazard - 52 Appearances - 19 Goals - 9 Assists - 0.36 goals per game and 0.17 assists per game
Hazard 0.02 more goals, Salah 0.10 more assists... seems Salah has edged that one.
Salah Roma 15/16
42 Appearances - 15 Goals - 11 Assists - 0.36 goals per game and 0.26 assists per game
Chelsea’s BEST winger 15/16
Pedro - 40 Appearances - 8 Goals - 5 Assists - 0.2 goals per game and 0.13 assists per game
Salah with 0.16 more goals and 0.13 more assists. Salah by far better.
De Bruyne Werder Bremen 12/13
34 Appearances - 10 Goals - 17 Assists - 0.29 goals per game and 0.5 assists per game
Chelsea’s BEST midfielder 12/13
Mata - 64 Appearances - 20 Goals - 12 Assists - 0.31 goals per game and 0.19 assists per game
Mata with 0.02 more goals and De Bruyne with 0.10 more assists. That’s a De Bruyne win.
Lukaku West Brom 12/13
38 Appearances - 17 Goals - 0.44 goals per game
Chelsea’s BEST striker 12/13
Torres - 64 Appearances - 22 Goals - 0.34 goals per game
Lukaku with 0.10 more goals.
Lukaku Everton 13/14
33 Appearances - 16 Goals - 0.48 goals per game
Chelsea’s BEST striker 13/14
Eto’o - 35 Appearances- 12 Goals - 0.34 goals per game
Lukaku with 0.14 more goals.
Didn't Mourinho reject Salah, Lukaku,KDB, Cuadrado?
RobinTheRubeFan yes, but still fielded 11 every match.
Chelsea give players a career in football whether that is at Chelsea or elsewhere. I don't think the players would deem it 'unethical' when they are sold to another Prem club and earn £40,000 a week.
Harrison Leggo it’s definitely unethical when u price out great loan destinations for the players because u need numbers for pre season even though the player will never play in the regular season. When u freeze dom solanke a 19 year old from playing football for year because he wants to leave because he sees no opportunities that’s very unethical especially for a 19 year old
He didn't agree to the wages we offered him
Every Monday bro do your homework solanke wanted 50k at 19 are u mad?! He can fucking leave then
Solanke was mental...
I think it was his dad or something advising him
who sell salah lukaku debruyne? mourinho or management? if mourinho the one who sell then no wonder chelsea fired him
What about Juventus? They at least have a little over 40 players out on loan(some of which are over 23). If Chelsea’s loan system is part of the game, then Juve’s is unethical.
MightyWisconsin Maybe but this is a channel mainly based around the premier league so that’s why they showed Chelsea
Josh Jones I just think they could mention teams like Chelsea to let people know that Chelsea isn’t the only team that does this
but Juventus have a much higher level of success than chelsea
Salah,Lukaku,Ake and De Bruyne have all scored against chelsea this season😂
Is this even a debate?
Man City, Man Utd & Liverpool are all above them with 3 former Chelsea "Youth" talents instrumental for each team. It's embarrassing.
It's crazy that Mourinho still gets blamed when it's so apparent it's all Chelsea, they're taking in way too many & barely any have made it to the first team.
NameUnderMaintenance Fax. No way was Kevin gonna play ahead of Lampard, Lukaku ahead of Drogbs, and salah ahead of...I forget. It's no coach's fault
Lalo3g1 true
Lalo3g1 You act like Lampard couldn't have played with kdb
Matt Moore dude as a fan myself then I knew there wasn't space for him ramires was there so was john obi mikel with fucking oscar NO SPACE 😂 dont act like something better could've been done
lunt banzi They could have rotated the team more, work him into the team
This video lowkey made me cry because it's so true
Hindsight is 20/20, for every Salah, Lukaku, and De Bruyne there are many who wont achieve as much. If we treat every youth player like the future Salah we will end up more disappointed than happy. Besides we sold Salah, Lukaku and DB in 2014, which helped us buy players like Costa and Fabregas, with Costa being especially important in winning the season that year.
Jamie Thannoo and with conte last season and mate I love ppl like you because we think outside the box there will always be peiple wholl cry about salah and so on, why didn't they cry when we let them go?
It is quite obvious that Chelsea’s loan system is honestly useless. Having players like de bruyne, lukaku & salah not at the club anymore and the fact that we loan out players like musonda and loftus cheek is ridiculous because we invest in players that end up not wanting to stay at the club anymore. Nothing will change though, because as a Chelsea fan this is a narrative that we have seen and have been preaching for years now
Korede Afolabi who is musonda gonna play over i think callum hudson odoi has played better than him, but this system has worked with players like courtois, moses and christensen
Sam Uranga I honestly don’t think musonda has been giving much of a chance at the club. I agree that hudson-odoi has played well but I would rather see them both of them play over Pedro sometimes to be honest. We know how good hudson-odoi is but he has never been given a full run of games. We only really see these players ‘play’ when it’s pre-season and it’s unfortunate. The loan system has worked for a handful of players but in the long run it has been a failure for what they were hoping to achieve
Loaned out Loftus Cheek, bought in Ross Barkley. That's so stupid it hurts my brain thinking about it.
NameUnderMaintenance it actually makes no sense at all
Korede Afolabi i agree with you except that only a handful of players from these youth systems actually becomes first team worthy so its not a failure its just really hard to become a pro
current Barca board is no different. the number of players we lost in the last 4-6 years actually hurts.
1. Adama Traore
2. alen halilovic
3. Munir El Haddadi
4. Sergi Samper
5. Deulofeu (yes he was given a chance in the 1st team but the deulofeu that played in the youth team was lost)
6. lee seung woo
and many more....
All those players always play in top tier football. Recently it went down hill for Halilovic falling out of a top 5 league
I am glad you mentioned Moses Tbo and Christenson
37 is a LOT :D :D LOOOL
I'm managing Chelsea on FM and currently have 130 players out on loan, all salary payed by loaning clubs and most of them pay me 250k per month of loan.
Yearly we make about 90 mil. and when players develop I either use them, sell or if they don't develop release WIN WIN WIN.
I know it's just a game, no need to tell me. But it's still fun.
Don't blame Chelsea
Blame José Mhourinio
Oh yeah blame jose mourinho. He definitly didnt make chelsea the big team it is today
TGA Fifa he did but he was still the one who loaned them out
#Xtreme Gaming85 they all had huge chances at chelsea where they could prove themselves but they didnt consistantly. They all had poor season when they were all loaned out out. De bruyne was poor at werder bremen and salah was poor at roma so mourinho sold them. They never proved themselves and man city made de bruyne and salah was excellent in his last roma season so it wasnt mourinhos fault. They wouldnt have been the same players now if they stayed at chelsea
TGA Fifa Even though they're good now I just couldn't see de bruyne starting over Frank lampard or lukaku starting over drobga
you're just going to ignore all of the youngsters he's used at Manchester United? look at it, It's all chelsea, mourinho uses youth.
earned a sub for great piece of editing work!!!
Very good video. Argument well put together and triggered a debate!
Is not just about missing out on talent. The manager in charge has to use a system which brings out the best in that specific talent. Its not about what a certain player can do you for your team necessarily, its about what he does or can do for another team. Yes, De bruyne was a miss, but him dominating in the Guardiola system does NOT guarantee that he would be as good with Contes system. Many can say that Busquets is a master holding midfielder, but that does not mean he would be as good as Kante at running and tackling.
So this Chelsea system is not about developing the best players, its really just about finding the right talent, for the right manager and the right tactical system which they are using at that specific point in time.
You can't exactly criticise it much, the system isn't helping them get into chelseas team, but quite a few still get into the higher leagues of football more than most, and sometimes selling them off to become a star at other clubs like De Bruyne at Wolfsburg, lukaku at chelsea and ake at bournemouth
You said it, in terms of Balancing the books and Net Spend Chelsea is in full compliance with FFP.
Over the past 3 maybe 4 seasons Even Brighton has a higher Net Spend than the blues. That said some of our players have been victims of managers who lack vision and are only in for the short term. What the club needs is a manager who can bring through the talented youths.
I'm just here appreciating Copa90 making the players do the Shooter dance in a club
I totally agree with this video, but another thing that Salah, KDB, and Lukaku have in common is that they were all under Mourinho, and he had a lot to do with them being sold. If it was any other manager, I think they would still play for Chelsea.
you should definitely do a similar report, but on Benfica's youth academy and loan policy, it might surprise you guys
Thank you for shedding light on this matter because is pissing me off to see such talented youngsters go to waste Chelsea need to appoint the u18 coach as a manager because I think only him can give them a chance
It is a bit stupid tbh. We need to use a bit of youth and experience in our lineup. We need to get players like rcl, baker Abraham Zouma and batshuayi back and develop them as we are not splashing cash properly and backing the managers.
This is a problem not only Chelsea have. Look at Barcelona. It's been ages since you've seen a decent a La Masia player actually get a big spot on the team. Hell Barcelona has scrapped that and now just breing talent from other clubs at the same rate as other big spenders.
The Chelsea model is very logical. I always end up doing it when I play Football Manager to great success (makes the game a bit boring tbh) You scout youth extensively, buy good prospects cheap and put 2-3 of them in the squad of approximately 25 players, then loan out the rest, keep buying. Of course sometimes players come back and score against you, but does that really matter when the alternative would be to not buy them and sell them of for profit in the first place? I'm actually surprised not more teams follow the Chelsea model...
As a Chelsea fan, I have always though the sales of Bertrand, lukaku and De bruyne were mistakes, but what I hate is when pundits and TH-cam channels say we didn't give mo salah a chance. We really did and he showed no promise to be any better than someone like Marko Marin. So Chelsea sold him and (almost certainly) the rejection from a big club caused him to really improve into what he is now.
Liverpool had this problem although not to the extent that Chelsea does - if you look at what Klopp said on the issue when he first arrived he was very confused about what Rodgers had done and put a stop to it. Sure Liverpool still have players out on loan - but it's far less extreme than it used to be. If you have that many players how do you even keep track of who is doing well and who isn't. Somebody at Chelsea should be bringing that under control. There should be restrictions on total numbers of players at a club including on Loan for anybody over a certain age like 16/17/18 to give young and not so young players a proper chance to develop.
I am a chelsea fan and if i wanted to play for chelsea coming up through a youth system i would have to go to another pl team and hope that cfc would buy me when i am established
Echoing similar comments here, the club does not have a long term plan, this is the biggest issue.
The end of this season is a perfect opportunity to start fresh:
- Board to decide what it whats the club to be (they dont have a clue just now)
- Part ways with Conte
- Get a new director of football
- Get a new manager who isnt a celebrity and give him time
- Sell Hazard and Courtois
I'd give the job to Rogers. Seriously, there will no fan fare and he wont be expected to win the league or CL. Let the club have some continuity for a change! Lets build something!
The problen with Chelsea is that within the club they operate a different way like youth level and u23 play attractive whereas the first team play pragmatic football. What fails us is that we appoint the wrong mangers for the first team which hinders us overall. Hopefully we realise it this season and get a Manager like Thomas Tuchel.
Worst of all its terrible (a lot of the time) for the players, they get a lack of experience and struggle to make a name for themselves (high wage to compensate ofc). Think if all the young players who could be playing regularly in league one, building a reputation and the benefits that would bring for smaller clubs who at the moment rely on cheap loans because they have little talent to sell... Delli Ali is a perfect example of what playtime and reputation can do for a young payer
Great Video!!
Chelsea's transfer office is a disaster, they have a lot of talent and a great training system, but they have made big mistakes when deciding who stays or who goes. Also, if they have that many players, they shouldnt make top signings that often
Chelsea & Juve (49 loans) make money from loans. Though they give chances to many but kdb & Salah decision was stupid.
Chelsea need to realise that they can't win league every year in PL so they need to build the team over certain number of seasons.
Point is Chelsea can't do an era if they keep on doing this
Nice Video,The Loan System should at Least Significantly decrease over Time.Luckily,we still have many Great Talents,and we need to them wisely+Give them their chance.I Really feel We should Recall Loftus-cheek, Thorgan Hazard and Kurt Zouma From Loan and sell bakayoko next season.
Which software you used to edit background snow flakes?
Probably going to get a lot of stick for this but here goes anyway...
Salah still has to prove himself. The real test for him starts now as having a wonder first season means the pressure is on for him to continue like that. Only then will we know that Chelsea have really messed up. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, in fact he’s pretty incredible, but it’s being able to maintain them performances over seasons which will solidify that regret.
Lukaku, though impressive, manages to find himself lost in games. Like any striker, he’s reliant on good service and Man United’s style of play isn’t really centred around attacking. Under Mourinhio, Lukaku is being held back as the defensive element to their team games mean he’s not getting much of the ball and, when he does, he doesn’t know what to do with it. Granted, there has been performances where he’s really shone and proved his worth but it’s clear that when released in his Belgium strip,he’s much much more impressive. For Chelsea though, his mid season dip would’ve seen him out the squad much like Morata, who has benched ahead of Giroud
KDB is probably the real loss for Chelsea. His intelligence on the ball as well as his control and goal scoring and assisting ability is something that Chelsea could’ve benefited from. That being said, they have signed Jorginho, who controls the midfield very well and has a knack for placing the right pass. He, under Sarri, might prove that the loss of KDB wasn’t all bad.
That being said, Chelsea have let these 3 incredible footballers slip through the net. All for a better cause though, at that time, because there’s little to no way KDB or Salah would have have had the seasons they’ve had at their respective clubs under Jose in his last season at Chelsea
That would be some house party! 😎
I've always looked at Chelsea's approach to both players and managers as being short term quick fixes that ultimately will lead to long term problems. They've had a wealth of young talent, both domestic and foreign, for most of Romans reign as owner, and yet ONLY John Terry has broken through their academy and gone on to have a (great) career with Chelsea. That is absolutely telling!
Whilst their approach has still yielded them multiple EPL titles, domestic cup successes, and a CL and EL title, what about their players for the future? They often become surplus to requirements every time a new manager comes in who then always seeks to spend money, instead of tapping into the vast pool of home grown talent they have. Their academy has been the best in England for a few years now, yet their brightest star (Ruben Loftus Cheek) was loaned out to Crystal Palace in favour of signing the likes of Drinkwater, Bakayoko, and Barkley!?
Come the end of the season Conte will no doubt leave or be sacked, and the next manager who takes over will simply repeat the actions of all his predecessors.
This sequence of events has worked for them every 2-3 years, but eventually they won't be able to maintain this approach and will find top 4 finishes and trophies harder to achieve.
Gooner Maneuvers theres no long term thinking in that regard but I think the club have now realised what they need to do. Stop appointing short term managers like conte and mourinho who won’t bring sustained success to the club or intergrate these high potential players but instead higher a manager like Pochettino or Tuchel who will play the kids and develop them into world class players and this would result in a much longer more sustainable level of results and would help attract better players to the club. There’s no way chelsea should sign 31 year old Giroud from Arsenal’s bench and let Michy Batshuayi leave. Or let Loftus cheek leave on loan and sign drinkwater for 35million. Never
Great video and spot on
You really can't only blame the board for selling players. When managers don't want to play youth, it would seem like a much better idea to loan them out to get game time and progress. Antonio Conte had Loftus Cheek last season and didn't give him a start in the prem. Yep, you heard it right here, even after we won the league. The board deserve to be bashed for what they do, but the managers deserve a beating as well. Mourinho talking to KDB twice (only!) when he was with us tells you a lot.
Roman should start forcing managers to play youth, otherwise there's really no point in having an academy that win records only to be sidelined for useless players like Bakayoko. When we're losing a game, get a youngster on the pitch, and not Pedro. They'll work their socks off to shine because they want a start, unlike the 30 year olds that sit on our bench.
The season is over now, so we might as well give some kids a start or a cameo that's more than 10 minutes long. The ball is in your court, Conte and we know you'll disappoint just like all the other managers.
creativedreams exactly conte even told his assistant that if he was basing his starting 11 on training then RLC would be the first name on the team sheet and ola Alina would be in the first team and on the bench a lot more but he didn't trust them so never played them
I know. You'd think he'd give them a shot when we won the league. He constantly talks about how he picks players based on how well they do in training, but it seems like he's not a man of his word.
At the end of the day as a Nottingham Forest fan I am still pissed off that we let Bamford even go to Chelsea...
There are two ways to look at Chelsea’s loan system, it’s a tool for making money and to a very very very very small extent develop players. But, most of the time it results in chelsea getting screwed over in many cases.
Blackmans been great for us in goal this season, quality handling, kicking, shot stopping and all round distribution, hope we sign him
Alternatively, players might want to come if they can prove that Chelsea's training gives them some sort of value-add that will increase their chance of making it at the top. Like Sporting and Ajax work on a similar model as Chelsea - mostly because they are comparatively poor and playing in less prestigious leagues - but players will still join up because they believe in their youth system and want to be a new Ronaldo or Cryuff
The thing is... Chelsea could be using these players for the league cup. Give the players from the 1st team a rest and play the youth vs teams like Swindon or Bristol etc
Unfortunately with the piss poor capacity of our ground, the club has to balance the books and this is their solution. As a fan, I can see the financial argument but it only works if they have the right people making decisions on which talent to keep/ sell. It’s never going to be a perfect science though.
Loan system is not that really bad. It's true that theres pro and cons. But if we look that there are 37 player chelsea loaned this season thats mean about 3.5 teams without including senior team. Instead become rotten in without player. Loaning player more relevant to make them develop. Salah, brune and lukaku even hard to develop if chelsea keep them without loan. The problem is chelsea not use them but sell them without giving chance after player loaned.
I used to do this on champ man and always worked out fine. Damn
Rashford,Lingard,Pogba,Fosu-Mensah..I could go on all day,best academy in the country for a reason
Why do English clubs like City and Chelsea get blaimed when doing this. While Every Italian club Loans 30 players Every year?
Different club and league rules, different financial situations, i mean Italian clubs earn a lot less than any PL team does so sending players out on loan is often mandatory. Same reason you see top level teams in Italy still having to loan in players.
John Terry claims that De Bruyne, Lukaku ans Salah weren't giving enough to start
Really really hoping Loftus cheek plays next season for Chelsea and that Callum hundson odio gets game time as he looks s tremendous talent! If that doesn’t happen something needs to change as there’s so much potential at the club.
Brissoboy4 odio looks sick and he is getting good playing time for someone his age
Sam Uranga yeah I’m hoping it continuous next season and he doesn’t get loaned out
As a fan, our loan system is a joke, we are literally a rich asf version of Parma (they had a load of players on loan too but Chelsea got the 1 up in this system). Like how can we consistently drain the talent and then regret it later when they come to fruition i.e. Salah+KDB..
Chalobah or Loftus Cheek?
Great video.
The loan system hasn't failed the players nor is it unethical because at the end of the day if a player doesn't make it at chelsea he will go on to play top football in other teams, chelsea are giving careers to young players by letting them play onloan and showcase their abilities for other clubs to see. The problem is the lack of progression and sufficient path way to the first team. The managers they've hired haven't helped in that regard but if a proper system is set for the loanees that will give them a much higher priority rather than dipping into the transfer market.
Another problem that needs to be sorted out is some of the destinations these loan players go to, the players that chelsea develop aren't championship caliber. They aren't built for that league, the disparity in quality between the championship and the premier league is ridiculous. Chelsea players are coached to play with the ball not hoof it at every opportunity. The argument that they need it to adapt to the physicality is bollocks. The bundesliga, the Portuguese leagues are much better than that tier.
Lastly, There are rumors that chelsea intend to change their approach this summer. Hiring an excellent DOF and a manager that can work together, who arent crazy about "suffering without the ball" can save chelsea. Getting rid of deadwood from the club and supplementing them with some players from the loan army should take high priority.
My squad for next season would be:
Courtois
Azpilicueta; Zouma; Christensen; Emerson
kante
RLC/Bakayoko Paslic/MVG
Bailey hazard
Morata
Bench/Squad players: wily, kenedy, hudson-odoi, fabregas, sterling, mount, bastshuayi, alonso, giroud, baker, rudiger, JCS, boga..
Give that squad 2/3 seasons and we have a gem.
when was it thriving?
Actually the problem is Fans nowadays demands signings , developing talent will get you a bad rep , eg Wenger.
the problem with our loan system is that we don't reap any benefits of it other than a bit of money - but less money than if we kept them longer. it pisses me off that we sell such blatant superstars like we bruyne and lukaku
correction chelseas youth system doesnt piss off pundits because pundits dont care about youngsters coming through as an arsenal fan im used to seeing wenger play half the youth in the first round of the efl and fa cups which im more than happy about because its the perfect time for them to get 90 mins of real football but when wenger does this the pundits slam him for not taking these games seriously if playing up and coming talent means youre not taking a game seriously then England will never win am international trophy again and this talent will be resigned to the championship and below
I fail to understand what’s unethical about loaning so many players out? Can someone fill me in?
That's the problem when you have a manager like Mourinho.. Who sold De Bryne and Lukaku.. He almost never gives the youth a chance. You have to be a established player when he comes to a club.
Fun fact ake and zouma are having better def stats than all of our defenders. Apart azpi
IMO the problem has been the instability in the manager's office
yeah in some way, chelsea falling to promote their best loanee, but that doesn't mean chelsea always waste any talent, instead they're bring more experience for a young one. the loan system maybe not the best thing, but if chelsea be more patient and give a young one more space, i think chelsea will be amazing. #KTBFFH
I'm a baseball guy (farm systems, etc) and I"ve got limited understanding of football finances...
But why WOULDN'T you abuse the loan system? Basically buying other teams' talent, getting someone else to essentially pay fore most of its development and flipping it for a profit? Who wouldn't? The system is just there to take advantage of. And Chelsea - a club of their size - they should buy everything they can. Even if they overpay for younger talent and outsource it and hit on 3 of 20 - they'll cover their expenses. Sure, you'll have misses. The Cleveland Indians traded Cliff Lee AND Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon. But whatever - it subsidizes a lot.
That smaller teams aren't doing it at insane levels is beyond me.
Because this is FUTBOL ! this shouldn't be a business. Only Chelsea does this and it doesn't work for them on the pitch. Real big teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona win Cups with pure talent and skill. They don't abuse the system. like this. Smaller teams cant afford to do this. Also Chelsea is owned by a billionaire that's why they do this. Smaller teams rely on talent they bring up from their youth system. Chelsea is a business club and its pathetic to the game.
How come smaller clubs couldn't afford this? I mean why not throw a lot of money into your youth academy and then just borrow good talent until you bring your guys up? Why not just loan your good talent out when you don't have the space?
Just feels like a free farm system to me.
From the u18 up to the u19 we have a philosophy. Attacking football combined with solid defendig. We dominate youth football and will the quadtriple this season.
We can‘t say this for the first team. They have no vision, no philosophy.
We need to establish a philosophy and only go get a player, coach, staff member,... if he fits in this philosophy.
I wouldn‘t mind playing for 10th place for 1-2 seasons but building a team that includes the likes of Hazard, Kante, Christensen + young players like Hudson-Odoi, Ampadu, Loftus-Cheek + promising players like Malcom,... .
It‘s finally time to overthink.
Put Jody Morris in charge and give him the chance he desevers.
In terms of youth football we have the best academy in the world. It‘s time to contribute for our own first team and the national teams all over the world and maybe in 5-10 years we stand in line with the Ajax academy and La Masia.
I am a Chelsea fan and yes our loan system is so fucked up that no one can save us......we change managers after managers, get short-term success and that's it. It seems we are more like a business corporation rather than a Football club.....selling our best youth players and buying shit players, what kind of logic is that?? So fucked up!!
No Chelsea’s youth system isn’t failing it’s the past managers such as Mou and especially conte
Loplopool because the first team manger is in charge of the youth talent, right
If the manager does not play the player than they will go on loan.
Lalo3g1 ermmm yes he is, the first team manager is the one who decides to call them up or loan them, look at all the top four even Mou at United have brought through youth players
Klopp called up Trent and look at him now, 19 MOTM in a champions league quarter final
Loplopool Mourinho is responsible for Scott Mctominay.
experience carnage I just said that Mou has started at Man U to use youth, he didn’t do fuck all for Chelsea though
Chelsea are less a football club than a way for Abramovic to make money. Everything about them is a disgrace.
MOURINHO. You forgot it was mourinho who got rid of the main 3. Also how many trophies have Chelsea won compared to others. Most in the epl in the 2010's.
Thanks for Lukaku and Matic! That’s all I have to say about Chelsea
But we’re KDB, Lukaku and Salah the Player they are now at Chelsea?
Let's not pretend Salah is the same case as the other two. It was clear he wasn't going to cut it at Chelsea. It was foolish to sell De Bruyne and Lukaku without buyback clauses though.
I’m gonna be so pissed if we sell Musonda or Michy this summer. those dudes are the future
Michy Batshuayi deserves to score a hat trick for Dortmund against Chelsea
Definition of a plastic club ruining clubs' progression in Holland, Belgium, Scandinavia, etc.
The reason that this doesn’t work is that not everybody obey financial fair play.
Salah,Lukaku,Aké,Thorgan Hazard,De Bruyne were all wasted
Yes it is
I don't care about De Bruyne, Salah, and Lukaku as much as I care about the youngsters that they already have. I think players like Batshuayi, Loftus-Cheek, Baker, Kenedy, Musonda, Mount, Colkett, and Tomori are all ready for the first team right now. They not only have the potential to be the best in the world, but they are better than what we got at the moment. Batshuayi is the next Drogba, 100%, I haven't been more confident about something more than this. He is not trusted by the manager so it hasn't worked out for him yet. Its not even a comparason with Giroud, Batshuayi is going to be the best striker in the world, I'd bet my house on it. Loftus-Cheek is a one of a kind player. There is not one thing he isn't good at. He would be a starter in any team in the world, you'd be stupid to leave him out. Baker is a player that people don't even talk about, but the talent is there. Hes not short of confidence, you start him, he has the killer instinct of a striker infront of goal but still has the flair and creativity to become the best number 10 in the world. Kenedy is your typical winger. Hes fast, skillful, and he can cross. Thats good enough, but hes more than that. Hes extremely fast, his skills would make Neymar jealous, his crossing is deadly. Not only that, but hes strong, his shot is insanely powerful, his workrate is end to end, and he helps the defense. What more could you ask for. Hes no Eden Hazard, but he is a real game changer. He has his own style, and for what he does, hes a must have in any team. Musonda is a player that I would compare to Ronaldinho when he is dribbling. It is impossible to get the ball off of him. His passing is insane, his shot is clinical, and he is extremely fast. Also has the potential to be one of the best in the world. Mason Mount is really young, but when you see him play, its as if he is in his prime. This guy reminds me of Kaka in his prime. His pace, agility, dribbling, strength, finishing ability, passing, etc.. This kid is the real deal. I might not put him in the starting 11 yet, but hes not far off. I would keep him on the bench as he could really change the game when brought on. I would also say he has the potential to be one of the best in the world. Colkett is a player that nobody talk about. I mean nobody. Not even Chelsea fans. He is one of those players that if he were from Italy or something, he would 100% be considered the best youngster in the world. You cannot find a player with his amazing passing ability, vision, flair, and his ability to control a game. He makes it look sooo easy. He will probably get sold to a small team and his talent would be wasted. I know for a fact that he would dominate the Premier League. I think he will be the best thing in football once he is given the chance at Chelsea. Lastly, Tomori, he is simply a beast. Winning the ball is made to look so easy with him. I trust him more than Cahill, Luiz, Rudiger all put together. He is extremely fast, strong, and will work his heart out every game. He needs to start for Chelsea real soon before he ends up leaving.
deluded bellend.^
In my opinion, this is simply the way Chelsea operate their club. They possess the capital resources to have this kind of youth development system. It is Chelsea’s fault however, that they have allowed world beaters to slip through the cracks. And the more impressive youth prospects they bring in; the larger those cracks will become.
I wish Miazga didn't go to Chelsea I feel like he should have joined a mid table team in the Premier league but he's playing good in Holland
like salah said, chelsea's attitude towards letting newcomers play ruins players. Getting the fuck out of stamford is the only way for them to reach their goals and that's exactly what he did. Combined with a first team of lackluster overpaid, overrated players, Chelsea is only going downhill from here. I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea become a regular europa league team with the likes of leicester, arsenal, and/or everton. It's pretty embarrassing that your best domestic player is fucking ross barkley
It's not a case of ethics, it's just a cowardly approach. A club should sign one or two promising young players and nurture them into world class talent.
Chelsea buy really young or already established players in their early 20's such as Salah, Debruyne and stunt their growth. Salah was solid with Basle and needed consistency at Chelsea. Instead he was loaned out.
Loaning players does them no favour without direction. Chelsea are simply hoping a player returns world class. That will never happen. The players play in teams that play nothing like Chelsea and to be truthful Chelsea doesn't have a footballing philosophy. Which makes it difficult for new players.
Really true