Great video. Every 20 seconds was a nice bit of knowledge and a pearl of wisdom. Somebody who has not tried to upgrade their groupset or shifters or gears recently may not know HOW good these nuggets of wisdom are ... but as someone who only 6 months ahead of you on this journey i want affirm HOW good your pointers are in this video. You touch on SO many important points.
Thank you so much! That’s really nice of you to say! Yeah, that’s a good point, hopefully it will be useful to someone who is considering their first groupset. Thanks again 👍
Actually the tiagra r4700 sti shifters will work with 11 speed road mechanical rear derailleurs from Shimano, the reason being is that the pull ratio on tiagra r4700 is the same as 11 speed, I've test R5800/R6800/R7000 and R8000, also everything in the grx range will work perfectly.
I have the 10 year old ultegra 4700. The components there are fairly similar as the designs get passed down through the generations. Dura Ace > Ultegra > 105 > Tiagra > Sora. So yeah, it’s a good upgrade. Tiagra is the lowest set I would recommend for a new cyclists as it’s proven technology. I even know a guy who raced competitively on Tiagra as late as 2011. It’s good tech.
I rode 80 miles today on Tiagra. I have other bikes with higher-end stuff; but Tiagra is very, very similar. Smooth shifts, plenty of range. I really can’t tell a difference between 10-speed and 11-speed. Moreover, the one fewer gear makes tuning a bit easier. Tiagra is just great. I have no negative comments to make.
Oh so you’ve had a lot of experience with it as well. Have you had to replace anything? Are you still on the original cables? I really like “fit and forget” parts that you just have to set up once and they keep going and going
if you ever need obscure parts for stuff. SJS Cycles has been a great resource. I mentally cant understand how a company could have space for so much obscure bits and pieces. they have almost everything. tiny things to build your shifters from scratch to all the larger things. They somehow manage to get parts for a lot of the older groupsets as well. I cant speak for other brands as I mainly ride shimano but they SJS should have it. Big shout out to SJS Cycles.
I just got a new bike with claris - had an old 7-speed groupset with the little knobs things before - and being able to shift in the drops is just awesome.
Good choice. I have Tiagra, actually wanted 105 but could only get the Trek Emonda ALR I wanted in Tiagra. Honestly, it is an impressive groupset, and I really don't think anyone needs more than 10 speeds in the back.
@@TheSlowworms honestly I don’t really notice a difference. Biggest thing is the cassette. Like I ride an 11-25 I think, perhaps if I had more variation, I’d notice smoother shifts on an 11 (say an 11-32). With my current kit set up the way it is, it’s not really very noticeable.
That’s actually a really interesting topic because there’s quite a few pros and cons. For me, I really like the frame, the components were pretty warn out and the money I spent on these components could get me another second hand bike but it would still have lesser components. I really liked the bike before but I’m still in shock about how much better it is now. It is so smooth! You can always move the components across if you want another bike later down the line. Hope that helps!
@@TheSlowworms I'm in the same boat with the wear on my bike as it's about 10 years old now haha. Yeah it seems silly to put $500 into an old bike, but on the other hand, it seems worse to write off a good frame for no real reason. I think I'll be doing the upgrades, it'd be a waste not to. Thanks again!
It's based on the current 11-speed component, so there's no reason why the functionality can't be bad. Compared to 105, it feels like just one more speed.
SRAM 10 speed cassette’s are compatible with this Tiagra 4700 group. I just replaced the 9 speed triple in my Giant OCR2 with this same groupset. My 3x9 triple originally came with a 11-26 cassette and since the part of Texas where I live is very flat I chose a 11-26 10 speed cassette. The gearing is 11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,23,26t. Perfect for flat asphalt and overpasses
Love the build. I've got the 4700 groupset on my all road/gravel bike. With the 11-32. Love it, but always thought of getting a 11-34T. Amazing tip on the GRX 11-36T. I might just splurge and get that soon.
Thanks mate! It’s so quiet as well. I don’t think you’d regret it. Especially on a gravel bike. I found that little tip out on Shimanos compatibility document. It tells you what components work together which is really handy 👍
4700 FD and RD paired with a ltwoo or sensah 11 speed shimano cable pull ratio shifter is a really good budget 11 speed shifterset. I know most people don't like mix match parts, but it is possible to do this.
Great video, definitely do more of these! I love your build videos too. Also, in addition to general shortages I know one Shimano factory was shut down recently.
Thanks Eli! I'm glad you like the build videos too! The bike build videos are so much fun to make as well! I just need a bit more room to store them. I would like to make videos of me actually using them too 😄
Thank you very much! I really like this Tiagra groupset. It’s really reliable. If you do end up swapping groupsets I’d keep the Ultegra groupset stashed away somewhere because vintage Ultegra gear seems to cost a small fortune
I’m wondering what generation of 105 this equates to. I have the last generation of 11 speed 105 mechanical and I wonder if this is pretty much the same.
Hi sir i want to upgrade just like you its ratio 52-36t 11-34t the best ratio for Shimano Tiagra 4700. Its hard to find the complete groupset with brakeset
Hello 👋 I think the best ratio depends on how fit you are and how flat the roads are where you ride your bike. I’m not that fit and I’m surrounded by hills so I wanted to make things easy for myself. Yeah, it was really hard to get all these parts together. I literally had to buy each component from a different place 😄
Great video. Every 20 seconds was a nice bit of knowledge and a pearl of wisdom. Somebody who has not tried to upgrade their groupset or shifters or gears recently may not know HOW good these nuggets of wisdom are ... but as someone who only 6 months ahead of you on this journey i want affirm HOW good your pointers are in this video. You touch on SO many important points.
Thank you so much! That’s really nice of you to say! Yeah, that’s a good point, hopefully it will be useful to someone who is considering their first groupset. Thanks again 👍
Actually the tiagra r4700 sti shifters will work with 11 speed road mechanical rear derailleurs from Shimano, the reason being is that the pull ratio on tiagra r4700 is the same as 11 speed, I've test R5800/R6800/R7000 and R8000, also everything in the grx range will work perfectly.
I have the 10 year old ultegra 4700. The components there are fairly similar as the designs get passed down through the generations. Dura Ace > Ultegra > 105 > Tiagra > Sora.
So yeah, it’s a good upgrade. Tiagra is the lowest set I would recommend for a new cyclists as it’s proven technology.
I even know a guy who raced competitively on Tiagra as late as 2011.
It’s good tech.
How’s the ultegra gear holding up? Would you not recommend the Sora groupset then?
I rode 80 miles today on Tiagra. I have other bikes with higher-end stuff; but Tiagra is very, very similar. Smooth shifts, plenty of range.
I really can’t tell a difference between 10-speed and 11-speed. Moreover, the one fewer gear makes tuning a bit easier. Tiagra is just great. I have no negative comments to make.
That’s really interesting to hear from someone who has higher end parts as well. Have you been using the Tiagra stuff for very long?
@@TheSlowworms I think I have had that bike for 4 years.
Oh so you’ve had a lot of experience with it as well. Have you had to replace anything? Are you still on the original cables? I really like “fit and forget” parts that you just have to set up once and they keep going and going
@@TheSlowworms It has been quite reliable. Yes; those are the original cables.
I really haven’t heard anyone say much negative about Tiagra.
if you ever need obscure parts for stuff. SJS Cycles has been a great resource. I mentally cant understand how a company could have space for so much obscure bits and pieces. they have almost everything. tiny things to build your shifters from scratch to all the larger things. They somehow manage to get parts for a lot of the older groupsets as well. I cant speak for other brands as I mainly ride shimano but they SJS should have it. Big shout out to SJS Cycles.
I second that, a few times SJS have come to the rescue for me 👍
I just got a new bike with claris - had an old 7-speed groupset with the little knobs things before - and being able to shift in the drops is just awesome.
That’s great to hear Yaacov! What bike have you got?
@@TheSlowworms I got a Trek Domane AL 2, from Sigma sports. Big upgrade from my second hand Carrera
Good choice. I have Tiagra, actually wanted 105 but could only get the Trek Emonda ALR I wanted in Tiagra. Honestly, it is an impressive groupset, and I really don't think anyone needs more than 10 speeds in the back.
That is a nice bike 👌 I’m loving mine too. It always works and I never have to worry about it. You don’t find yourself wanting more gears then?
@@TheSlowworms honestly I don’t really notice a difference. Biggest thing is the cassette. Like I ride an 11-25 I think, perhaps if I had more variation, I’d notice smoother shifts on an 11 (say an 11-32). With my current kit set up the way it is, it’s not really very noticeable.
@@TheSlowworms and the Trek ALR is probably one of the best aluminum frame sets on the market.
I have the same bike and have been debating whether or not it was worth upgrading. This helped! Thanks!
That’s actually a really interesting topic because there’s quite a few pros and cons. For me, I really like the frame, the components were pretty warn out and the money I spent on these components could get me another second hand bike but it would still have lesser components.
I really liked the bike before but I’m still in shock about how much better it is now. It is so smooth!
You can always move the components across if you want another bike later down the line.
Hope that helps!
@@TheSlowworms I'm in the same boat with the wear on my bike as it's about 10 years old now haha. Yeah it seems silly to put $500 into an old bike, but on the other hand, it seems worse to write off a good frame for no real reason. I think I'll be doing the upgrades, it'd be a waste not to. Thanks again!
It's based on the current 11-speed component, so there's no reason why the functionality can't be bad.
Compared to 105, it feels like just one more speed.
Are you saying the Tiagra is just an 11 speed version of 105?
SRAM 10 speed cassette’s are compatible with this Tiagra 4700 group. I just replaced the 9 speed triple in my Giant OCR2 with this same groupset. My 3x9 triple originally came with a 11-26 cassette and since the part of Texas where I live is very flat I chose a 11-26 10 speed cassette. The gearing is 11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,23,26t. Perfect for flat asphalt and overpasses
Dude. You’re really entertaining and have a great presentation style. More bike content please.
Thank you Rolando, that’s really nice of you 👍
Very honest review! I love this kind of stuff without going into too many technical details. I hope that bike lasts for many many years!
Ah thanks Unai! Me too! 🤞
Love the build. I've got the 4700 groupset on my all road/gravel bike. With the 11-32. Love it, but always thought of getting a 11-34T. Amazing tip on the GRX 11-36T. I might just splurge and get that soon.
Thanks mate! It’s so quiet as well. I don’t think you’d regret it. Especially on a gravel bike.
I found that little tip out on Shimanos compatibility document. It tells you what components work together which is really handy 👍
Man I love your video it’s chill and smart keep up uploading 😆😆
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it 🙂👍
4700 FD and RD paired with a ltwoo or sensah 11 speed shimano cable pull ratio shifter is a really good budget 11 speed shifterset. I know most people don't like mix match parts, but it is possible to do this.
😮😮 looks like you did change the front derailleur too 👍👍
Thanks! Yeah, I changed that to a Tiagra derailleur as well 🙂
Great video, definitely do more of these! I love your build videos too. Also, in addition to general shortages I know one Shimano factory was shut down recently.
Thanks Eli! I'm glad you like the build videos too! The bike build videos are so much fun to make as well! I just need a bit more room to store them. I would like to make videos of me actually using them too 😄
Also I think I May upgrade my old 9spd ultegra to this in future. I like this parts video more than the GCN ones lately 👍😎
Thank you very much! I really like this Tiagra groupset. It’s really reliable. If you do end up swapping groupsets I’d keep the Ultegra groupset stashed away somewhere because vintage Ultegra gear seems to cost a small fortune
This groupset is just like a bless from the gods.
We’ll still be using it in 40 years time 😄
Fantastic info 👊
Thank you! Glad it was useful
This man is so lovely!
Ahh thanks Gayus, I really appreciate it 🙂👍
Great vid!
Ahh cheers bud! I really appreciate it 👍
For about 20 quid you can massively improve braking with cartridge style brakes, my choice would be koolstop
Thanks Jim, good thinking! Someone recommended the same for my gravel bike build too but I didn’t think about putting them on this bike
Where did you get the components
Is it online or??
I’m wondering what generation of 105 this equates to. I have the last generation of 11 speed 105 mechanical and I wonder if this is pretty much the same.
I own Di2 and AXS, why am I watching this 😂✌🏻
🤣 thanks for watching it though! Hope ya liked it
more road bike vids!
😆 I could do with uploading videos a bit more often in general
The reason why you had to shop parts around is a huge bicycle & parts shortage caused by COVID.
ahh I see. I heard there was a bike shortage but didn't realise it effected parts so badly
How are the 4700 brakes?
They are great! They do exactly what they’re meant to do. They don’t need much maintenance and they’re good at stopping the bike 😄
Hi sir i want to upgrade just like you its ratio 52-36t 11-34t the best ratio for Shimano Tiagra 4700. Its hard to find the complete groupset with brakeset
Hello 👋 I think the best ratio depends on how fit you are and how flat the roads are where you ride your bike. I’m not that fit and I’m surrounded by hills so I wanted to make things easy for myself.
Yeah, it was really hard to get all these parts together. I literally had to buy each component from a different place 😄
Tiagra has 2 versions. GS and SS. SS only supports up to 32 teeth and GS supports up to 34 teeth.
@@jarjaledi tq sir
For your needs Claris would be more than enough. You are mistaken that it wouldn't promote functionality. As you said you are not sure.
Hello, what mass and nucleo, i need for a shimano tiagra 4700 10v and a shaft pass M12X157MMX P1.5 ??
Hi David, I’m not sure what you mean. What’s a mass and nucleo?
Content update every 2-3 months 😭😭😭😭
Should I upload more often?
Content update every 2-3 months 😭😭😭😭
You’re so angry about it you told me twice 😄