Despite how much the game wants you to hate gortash, if you read his journal, it seemed like he was going make you an actual ally and hold up his end of the deal to dominate the sword coast. I don't know what he was trying to do here in his last moments here.
As others have said, you can detect his thoughts and see that he is being honest. You can also pass insight checks to confirm that. In the end, he doubts your power and when he sees you steering the ship towards a rock he tries to take the wheel, not realizing the current was pulling you in regardless.
In the dialogue with Bane, we can hear that Bane benefits from alliances with Baal and Myrkul, because their deeds and ambitions feed Bane. We can also find notes from some Bane’s servants, in which they write with confidence that the cult of Myrkul and Baal in the end will be serving Bane. I don't remember all the details, but it was pretty clear for me that neither the gods nor their chosen ones were going to be allies from every beggining.
1:25 so it’s interesting because if you choose the insight option here, your character will preemptively realize that he’s testing you and doesn’t want you to just hand him the stones. This game is incredible, the variety of the different dialogue options is just outstanding.
It’s even crazier to think how much better it would be had they been given more time to perfect and finish act 3 fully and if they could have gone beyond level 12.
I love how Gortash genuinely wants to work with you. The game sets you up to distrust him but it makes perfect sense for him to ally with you. Orin is well, Orin, and Ketheric is nothing without his immortality. It makes perfect sense for him to want to ally himself with someone who has proven themselves capable. I know for D Urge Gortash already knew you, but for Tav he knows he can’t beat you and your party. Of course, he’s also for his bluster, incredibly short sighted thinking he can control an Elder Brain, and his plan is so royally stupid that it gets Jergal, the Gith and Raphael involved but hey.
7:18 the way his face slowly falls before he gets killed is so... 🥺 it's like he was momentarily reverted to enver flymm - the naive and helpless child who was powerless as his parents handed him to a devil. gortash was corrupted by power and subjugation, but it was all for naught; here, for maybe the first time in years, he realizes how truly powerless he is. from his cradle to his tomb, he was nothing but a pawn: something to be used and traded, and then discarded when others no longer have use of him. he sought praise and adoration from the masses because he never received that from his parents, and power to make up for his years spent helplessly enslaved. but in the end, he could only get respect and power artificially through means of force. (maybe that's why he liked the durge so much? they genuinely respected gortash's genius and saw his potential.) his death is so unceremonious and undignified, befitting for a tyrant, but it still makes me sad nonetheless. :') gortash is such a tragic and interesting antagonist, and it's sad to see how childishly innocent his character really is.
The mouse smiled brightly: it outfoxed the cat! Then down came the claw, and that, love, was that. You know shit is fucked when a Devil is trying to warn you about the ending man... LMAO
@@elitegamer9310 That would be after the cat kills the mouse. But what if the cat doesn't kill the mouse and rewards them for courage instead? Then what Raph said would not be correct for the situation. That would put Raph in an interesting situation.
Man I had this whole deception monk run with mindflayer powers to become absolute rule with Gortash+Minthara. Stupid brain killed my Jason Isaac man now we are once again doing the elder brain boss fight with most likely no epilogue to become absolute real fun.
Well that was a pathetic way for Gortash to die… he doesnt say anything, he standa there, does nothing, sees shit is going down, tries to Gollum snatch the stones, fails, and dies miserably… I was hoping that he would do SOMETHING useful for us atleast, rather than just being a brief cutscene cameo. Perhaps actually helping with the idk. Gortash has been a mixed bag for me. On one hand, i love Lawful Evil and he clearly has some brain. His plot was clever and fittingly tyranical. But in the end it seems he was always doomed to fail and his lofty ambitions were pointless. I wish he would have done something atleast. Edit: I think they should have done, is that he would help you with the final battles alongside his few remaining Cult of Bane perhaps. Maybe even a Steelwatcher if the factory is still up. After the final battle, maybe than he could either die, or you can betray him or actually have the alliance ending.
Agreed. I really like the character's concept, but as it is now his story just doesn't go anywhere. I'm really hoping they will do him more justice in future updates
I also liked Gortash and was disappointed to see him job so hard, but I also think that was always the plan -- make him a character who's good at talking and putting up an appearance, but who's pathetic beneath the façade.
If you play as Durge it’s hinted that you and Gortash were in a somewhat relationship before Orin overthrew you. I think he does genuinely, to some extent, care about your character. If you read his mind it’s revealed that he does actually want to rule beside you.
I think we can all agree that Larian should someday add content to the story that allows you to join the Chosen in facing the Elder Brain and that no matter what, it is revealed that it's actually playing them all and pretending to be controlled. Could still add ways they valiantly die in battle against the brain with you. Definitely a lot of Durge potential there
Gortash conclusion is very disappointing (compared to Ketheric or Orin last moments). I was expecting something so much surprising for him, especially if you do an alliance with Raphael added to Emperor sheme... I would have LOVE to have those 3 characters reunited (in the astral prism) for a mexican standhoff with their plan/scheme around Orpheir... and you character has to deal with persuasions, lie and intimidations to put one against another one... etc. For exemple Raphael gain the soul of Gortash instead of yours... or Gortash becoming a mindflayer... or Gortash succeeding to outplan your contract with the Devil thanks to a subparagraph in knows... It would have been SO FUNNY to get this situation and you dealing with all those chessmasters.
Oh man, this saves me some time from trying to ally with him. In my first run I thought the ceremony would be a bigger event and did every other quest in the city. By the time I arrived, I was already maxed out with only Gortash and Orin left to do. Gortash died by his own traps when I was scouting with my ghouls 😂😂
okay real talk, why the fuck is he only level 9. KETHRIC WAS HIGHER, FFS. and no, I ain't hearing shit about "what if the steel watchers are still around", they aren't that hard. Definitely not easy, but also not something that even remotely balances the fight, ESPECIALLY compared to the other stuff in act 3
all the paths you can go with Gortash are pretty underwhelming. I just straight up went for him and the fight was really boring compared to Kethric's fight. I was expecting Bane to come out after Gortash went down but it just ended with him being defeated.
kethrics fight was coolest orin got 1 turned by my paladin warlock and gortash got lasered by magic missle mage build i had the bit with the nuatiloid bombarding you when fighting was harder since it managed to kill most of my party by making them fall to thier death
@@usurpererenyeagar4587 yea Orin was pretty easy too, would of been cool if they made the fights similar to Kethric and more difficult. Im going on my second run right now as tactician hoping the fights get more difficult.
it doesnt if you know what your doing and how classes compliment each other and and if you just yolo it and go with 2 tempest paladins a sorc wizard and and a rogue ranger and watch as you kill the enemy on the first turn@@negativedt
I am honestly pretty disappointed with how things go if you agree to ally with Gortash. I don't mind him dying in of itself, but it would have been nice if he got a bit of dignity instead of dying like a chump. Also would have been nice if he gave your rolls to control the Netherbrain a buff by working together with you instead of just kind of sitting there like a lump.
I think it makes sense he died like that the elder brain had been in control the moment they gave it the most powerful magical artifact and became a nether brain. And tells you it had orchestrated everything up to that point. The chosen lost before they started
@@khorneflakes2175so he's an opportunist. Doesn't make him less of a chump. He was something between a puppet, fall guy, and a money launderer, not much more than that
@@domesticcat1725 Bro's holding a measure of respect from actual godly chosen and manages to hold the highest office in the realm amongst a long list of incredible achievements and you guys are like "nah he's an opportunist" how do you think you get there ? Anyway, i don't like Gortash at all, his character doesn't vibe with me one bit and yet it's funny lookin at random Joes on the internet dismissing basic facts and thinking themselves able to call a guy like that a chump.
that’s weird, this clip is missing the part where Gortash says “When did the brain get so huge?” in my playthrough it happened during that awkward long closeup on his face right after the brain rises outta the water
It was a very pathetic way to die, I hoped he could seriously be useful! Fighting him is way worthy as at least he puts some efforts on trying to kill you. Here he just gets one shotted by the Nether brain. Sad indeed.
Damn she used Power Word Kill on him. I now honestly feel better about him not having a second stage boss battle or a bigger form like the other two bosses did, turns out he wasn't as in touch with Bane as the others were. Bane is probably giving all his real power to Manshoon.
Huh that's odd, for me Gortash turned into an Avatar of Bane midway through the fight. It didn't happen with big trara or anything, mind you, but it DID happen
My fight with gortash was kind of underwhelming because I did the steel factory first. That and the traps more or less did the work for me. He does have a second stage sort of but he doesn't have good enough damage mitigation to last very long in it and his bigger attacks are extremely easy to avoid. I get the impression the fight's pretty hard with those steel guardians around but without them it's just 4 dude that get fucked over by the environment they set up.
It's pretty thematic actually. He is not an undead general, or the chosen of slaughter. His power comes from control. And if you strip away all his toys he's not threatening anymore
I hope someone will consider a "cleric of Bane" run. One that is against the absolute, but would definitely side with Gortash due to their mutual faith. Whether said person goes with the "Absolute" ending or the default ending doesn't matter - the dialogue with Bane does reflect that it doesn't matter if you take control of the Nether brain or not, what matters is that you come "a bit cloer" to Bane in either choice.
Some mild spoilers for those disappointed in Gortash's death here: - If you kill him, you can see he's wearing some magical items (his clothes, also If I remember correctly a ring or amulet), that I believe magically make him immue to conditions like frightened and give him bonuses to persuasion. I thought it a nce touch that shows that his bravado is a facade, and that he needs magic to not be afraid. - If you play DU, you learn that the plan was devised by the DU and the netherbrain pretty much tells you that while you were in charge you were the only one that could control it, so it planted the suggestions in Orin's brain to try and take your place. The one thing I'll say is, not everything in a story needs to be 'epic' to work. Thinking back on the story after beating the game, I actually kind of like that both Gortash and Orin, in their own way, are actually quite pathetic and were being played by the nether brain all along (Ketheric as well, in his own way). In my own playthrough their characters both played out different than what I expected of them in the end of Act 2, and I initially was disappointed that neither really fit the role of the overarching sinister villian of the story in the way that Sarevok and Irenicus were in the originals - but I eventually ended up appreciating them as a 'different' story than the one told in the more classically structured originals. Some heavier spoilers... In my own DU run, I eventually found that the options that would make sense for my character to take in the end were to a) free orpheus, b) become a mind flayer, and c) commit suicide in the end end rather than live on as an illithid. A very bittersweet ending all said and done, but I appreciated that I had the ability to end in a way that made narrative sense - because narratively, my DU character would have to make an actually meaningful sacrifice to redeem themselves for their past actions.
Man, this was such a huge missed opportunity. It would have been amazing if we had the opportunity to become allies with one of the main antagonists and rule with him.
I want more content when we can either protect Gortash smug butt from getting Killed And truly join him. 😂. I know that would probably mean turning on Your companion. But. I could see IT 🤔
I allied with him, didn’t disable his watchers, hoping he would have a real contribution in fighting the stupid brain. What a waste. Also I would not have minded ruling the world with him lmao.
I want to like Gortash so bad but I can’t help but think of Karlach every time I see him. He did our girl so dirty and she didn’t deserve any of what happened to her :(
kinda disappointed that game draws you to play "good side" heavily. Because every choice you make as "evil" player is then punished by betrayal of your supposed allies or superiors, and resets you on the "good" path... Like, I obeyed Kethric, deliver him Isobel, I loudly and clearly ADMIT to Jaheira - Yes I betrayed you and I'm sided with Kethric. And she is like "haha cool, i'm still joining you" wtf???? literally every evil choice I make is later for some reason excused or rationally explained, can i not play a murderous, evil madman that thinks only about himself? It seems as if good path is well made, and evil path is just a longer way around to get to the good path again. Just like the first Raphael meeting. 5 different choices, all result basically in saying him "oh no, you are a devil and I'm a little scared boy who doesn't deal with evil entities Q.Q"... like, why even offer choices. I want my first option in game to be side with the fucking devil and become his servant. Just like they made it an option with Gale to destroy both the brain and all 3 champions in act 2 and end the game....
You can side with the devil? He wants to play with you first but in act three you can sign a contract xD Although I get your point it would require almost twice the dev time length to do a full evil playthrough, as they would suddenly need to create an entire story about you following the absolute / the chosen. Siding with Raphael would be interesting if he accepted it immediately, and the rest of the game was you working under him and him forcing you to get the crown for him, again though it would become an entirely different story.
@@kitnal4143 im talking about the first time you meet Raphael. in act 1, when he flicks his finger and transports you to his luscious feast. you get a lot of different dialogue options and ALL of them result in the same outcome... If there was an option to lose the tadpole from act 1 game would be VASTLY different, since you could actually forge a path of your own... As much as i LOVE Larian's storytelling, i still believe that this might have been a bit too rushed. If you played OS2, you know that you don't really get punished for choosing evil side.. Better yet, you get rewarded by the God King with decent powers (curse + passive ressurect) and crazy evil ending. Here you basically can't choose evil side. it's hard coded that you fail. Instead of becoming a puppet of the absolute - that asshole emperor comes in and cock blocks you which results in you becoming the absolute's most wanted enemy.... and you instantly get sent straight to jail XD the only actual way for you to play feel-good-evil is to choose dark urge. I'm not saying the game is bad. im just saying I am saddened that evil playthrough doesn't feel half as rewarding as good one. My first game was good side, and I was thriled.... this new game, evil game, not so much
@Kuksoman i know the scene. The reason he doesn't let you accept is because you can't provide him what he wants (yet) and he isn't willing to tell you just in case you turn it against him or tell another.
I was going to ally with Gortash but when I saw the trails of blood running up to his chambers I'd assumed he was going to just betray you, at least that's the impression the game gives you. I don't think the devs really wanted you to uphold your pact, they certainly don't seem to have voiced it very much! To that effect, it's pretty clear that part of the game is unfinished, it'll probably be patched later.
When Gortash first proposes an alliance, you can do an insight check. If you pass, you learn that he is sincere. The Emperor even agrees and suggests considering the alliance. I do think he was sincere, right up to the end. Full disclosure, I haven't finished the game. Every time I get into Act 3, I get bored and restart :P But I've always kept G's offer on the table, or don't completely dismiss him. The place the game really pushes you to walk away from him is at the Iron Throne. You have to pretty genuinely evil not to choose the 'F U, Gortash" option.
@@PaulRGauthier He's sincere, and when you return with the stones, he'll uphold his pact if you're stern about not giving them to him. But he's a monster, so might as well go save the Gondians etc
I wonder if I skipped any dialogue in my fight with him. I have Astarion as a Gloomstalker Hunter/Assassin and this fight is one you can actually see staged so I started arrowing him from a far, got a paralyzing critical on him, and killed him in the first turn. He never said a word.
I don't mind this, I know that even if you get nat 20's you still fail which is kinda lame, would be nice to have it skip to the end considering how difficult it would be to do without save scumming. To me this would be a great way to explain why the ritual failed. Spoilers for Dark Urge below. Considering your plan to take it over the first time failed because of Orin murdering you and failing and the second time it failed because Gortash thought he could do better or take the power for himself. In fact, I would love it more that if you went down this path the take over ending is locked out because of Gortash ruining the spell. Would still fit the theme of Bhall being pissed because you trusted the champion of his rival instead of killing him and doing it yourself.
The only issue I have with BG3's home rules is the nat 20-nat 1 rule. There's no critical failure or critical success in skill checks. A 20 is just a 20, a 1 is just a 1.
@@burgertime6372about the rules of tabletop. Crits and critfails only apply to attacks. You can pass a skill check in a dnd even if you rolled 1, bit had enough bonuses.
Nat 20 doesnt give you what you want or a free win, nat 20 gives you THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. And sometimes the best possible outcome is just not instantly dying. People need to stop acting like a nat 20 is like the Wish spell
There definitely could’ve been more interactions with Gortash, but I think the way things go down at the end are fitting for Gortash. He’s a tyrant and tries to snatch the stones from you and then fails his own advice. He faltered and he died and it could’ve killed us too. His whole thing is making people do the work for him until the very end where he betrays them and snatches everything up for himself. He’s also afraid of anyone who could have any closer of power over him so he clings to it desperately. Very satisfying to see him take his own medicine.
@@panzrok8701 He does though in a way. He betrays our trust. The fact he still snatches it from us means he doesn’t trust us. No other character does that except for us when the player chooses to betray. He may not have had that intention at first but he’s not above snatching what he thinks he deserves.
@@MrBrockmcmillin Why shouldnt he also try if you failed? You also got a stone from him so he has every right to also use them. There is also zero evidence in the game in terms of reading thoughts or documents that he wants to betray you. It also makes more sense because Bhaal is lawfull evil and betraying isnt his thing.
@@panzrok8701 Why wouldn’t every character try when we fail? Because they trust us to get it done. Even the Emperor does. And he hasn’t done anything to make us think otherwise? Literally the entire game Gortash backstabs and betrays every other character you encounter who has met him including his own parents. Why would you be any different? Anyone who thinks Gortash would side with them is proving they would easily be his next victim. He is not to be trusted at all. The best liars believe their own lies.
@@MrBrockmcmillin if you pass the checks on him when you talk to him though, its revealed that hes being completely earnest in sharing his power with you.
I was disappointed with how this ending plays out. I would have loved to see an ending where you actually rule with him instead of the regular absolute ending.
@@twentyeightstabwounds7761 Succeeding that check apparently gives a health debuff to the final boss but that's about it; The games plays out normally.
Isn't he breaking the 4th wall in 00:25 or is it a bug? He wants to control elder brain as a puppeteer, and maybe he knows we are the puppeteer of Tav, that's why he says we can be his "equal"...
Kinda disappointing you can have an ending with him, but that means Bane would succeed, and the game requires all the three gods to fail and disappear.
Lazy plot writing. If the brain can kill Gortash then why don't they also kill the player and takes the stones? Just killing Gortash off like that is just lazy. Considering BG3 was released before it's done (it is and you all know it even if in denial) then the devs likely forced this in the game. Imagine if we actually had a choice between the emperor and Gortash. And having Gortash run things after. That would have been great. Brain would have to die of course (convince him, have the brain once again prove it can't be controlled then killed. etc). But it can work easily.
agreed and the evil ending was a hot mess. i wanted a team of baddies to rule together not as tav thralling. it ruined the game for me im not touching it for a year to see if they fix the endings. also.....they just patched the game "fixing" mintharas lack of dialogue triggering during act 3. thats nice of them to fix it after the majority of evil players have already finished the game.
Plot just slides down in the third act sadly. There are a lot of contradictions in characterisation (Like the Gortash's or Emperor's, for example), lack of meaningful companion interaction after their quests are done and so on. The endings even for the good playthrough are VERY bare-bones and underwhelming. Definitely not over 17000 variants that were promised. It's a shame, but I hope Larian will fix this stuff if players will be vocal about it, because I very much liked what was going on in the first act.
People complain about how "useless" Gortash is. But that's the point of his character - he isn't as smart as he think he is. The spot for magnificent bastard in the plot is already taken by Raphael. Gortash is more cunning than priestess Gut and did damage, but deludes himself with dreams of world domination while he struggles to control one city and can't trust his (insane) complices.
@@AvvocatodiTito He is dumb af. His only chance to win is that the protagonist might think that he needs to free Orpheus in order to defeat the Elder Brain (exchange one tested ally, the Emperor, for the potential ally who may even not want to help us). AND THIS IS HIS ONLY PLAN TO OBTAIN THE ITEM WHICH HE WANTED FOR SO MANY CENTURIES! Knowing full well that the Emperor is not plotting anything bad and helps the protagonist even in the epilogue... I think that Raphael plan was kinda HORRIBLE for such a devil.
@@dgomezzzzz you can just steal the orpheus hammer from House of Hope you doesn’t need Raphael just steal his stuff . And I dont trust the squid guy is pretty sus. Squids doesnt have souls like bone man says.
Spoilerish.... the story pretty much makes it clear that the real brains behind the whole scheme was the Dark Urge. In a DU run the netherbrain pretty much tells you straight on that you were the only one that was really able to control it.
If you kill Orin before speaking to Gortash. He will congrat you later and invite you to the rooftop. The Steel Watch still stand, Iron throne, Mizora spoken to rescue Duke Ravengard. But reminding that if you save Duke Ravengard = go against him, the moment you set the foot again on the Wyrm's Crossing is a big fight.
gortash as a character (and his arc if there even was one) was so disappointing tbh. he was not at all developed and fleshed out esp in comparison to ketheric and orin, even lesser content in evil durge, genuinely wished they'd done more with him even if it ended the same way with him discarded by the brain like that. he's the least fleshed out, easiest fight, most buggy, it's tragic. atleast he's attractive 🙏🏼
So this is completely off topic of the video but I've noticed people's playable characters having that kinda necrotic appearance in clips and videos, is this a mod or the result of a story choice? Ps. I do not mind spoilers if it's not possible to explain with out spoiling something
It’s the result of a choice that “The Emperor” gives you (IIRC near start of Act 3). I’m 99% sure the choice is impossible to miss so if you don’t know what I’m saying yet just keep playing.
So … you cant actually side with him in the end? No ending at all, just an npc Death? Like you cant side with ketheric… I am happy i quitted the evil Playthrough After Act 2.
To be fair, siding with Gortash is more beneficial than Ketheric. Aside from party disapproval, and missing out on three major game bosses and a submarine rescue, it is a quicker way to the endgame if you want that. I do wish there was a way Gortash survived though. Would have been cool to work with Gortash and have allied Baneites in the final fight.
He looks more like Cyric's Chosen than Bane's. Seriously, the pathetic, cowardly doll is the chosen one of the eternal tyrant and lord of terror? Bane's lawful evil is heavily underrated in games. Bane is supposed to be Sauron D&D. He is the most powerful of the dark three. He was the only one to regain his full status as a greater deity. Give me a true Bane Champion someone like Agandaur. Give me the opportunity to play on the side of evil with honor and dignity, not a mindless need to destroy.
Bane is still a Quasi-deity as by 5e actually. Though yes among the three he held the most authority. "Bane along with the returned Myrkul and Bhaal remained behind as quasi-deities. Though he was still able to influence events over Faerûn, Bane was essentially trapped in a mortal form."
@@DemonMaluMintus You can see back to Bhaal and Myrkul's lives, Wizard messed up a bit. In the 3rd and 4th editions, Bane is the greater deity. He not only regained, but also increased his power. He even conquered the goblin pantheon. Very quickly, he became one of the most powerful evil gods. Moreover, his church was stable and united. He did not allow internal conflicts. Whereas Myrkul was a lesser deity and had to serve Kelemvor. Second Sundering Weakened most of the gods and reduced their influence on the world. Again, it's not like he didn't regain his power, but he lost it again because of Ao. He remained in mortal form to have greater influence over mortals. He is now literally Sauron of the forgotten lands, sitting in his tower building an empire.
There's an old theory that the current Bane isn't actually Bane. It's his son who supposedly was used to bring Bane back from the dead. Xvim just faked his death and used his dad's identity in order to regain his old followers. This is backed up with "Bane" currently using a lot of things that his son was fond of including the color scheme of Black and green. Gortash honestly fits a lot more a Xvim chosen than Bane's. Not to mention that Bane's faction played second fiddle to Bhaal's
I rather disagree. Gortash is a pretty neat chosen for Bane. Yes, he is not physically imposing, but the whole plot is his creation. A mortal trying to subdue an elderbrain is madness but exactly what tyrants might do in this world when they overestimate their power.
Despite how much the game wants you to hate gortash, if you read his journal, it seemed like he was going make you an actual ally and hold up his end of the deal to dominate the sword coast. I don't know what he was trying to do here in his last moments here.
reading his mind confirms that he meant it when offering to rule with you
I would say desperation. All 3 stones should've worked, so when he saw it wasn't working, he thought to try it for himself.
@@elitegamer9310yea like you said I also think he was scared that it wasn’t working
As others have said, you can detect his thoughts and see that he is being honest. You can also pass insight checks to confirm that. In the end, he doubts your power and when he sees you steering the ship towards a rock he tries to take the wheel, not realizing the current was pulling you in regardless.
In the dialogue with Bane, we can hear that Bane benefits from alliances with Baal and Myrkul, because their deeds and ambitions feed Bane. We can also find notes from some Bane’s servants, in which they write with confidence that the cult of Myrkul and Baal in the end will be serving Bane. I don't remember all the details, but it was pretty clear for me that neither the gods nor their chosen ones were going to be allies from every beggining.
1:25 so it’s interesting because if you choose the insight option here, your character will preemptively realize that he’s testing you and doesn’t want you to just hand him the stones. This game is incredible, the variety of the different dialogue options is just outstanding.
One of the most beautifully detailed games I’ve ever played! I love this game so much ❤
It’s even crazier to think how much better it would be had they been given more time to perfect and finish act 3 fully and if they could have gone beyond level 12.
I love how Gortash genuinely wants to work with you. The game sets you up to distrust him but it makes perfect sense for him to ally with you. Orin is well, Orin, and Ketheric is nothing without his immortality. It makes perfect sense for him to want to ally himself with someone who has proven themselves capable. I know for D Urge Gortash already knew you, but for Tav he knows he can’t beat you and your party. Of course, he’s also for his bluster, incredibly short sighted thinking he can control an Elder Brain, and his plan is so royally stupid that it gets Jergal, the Gith and Raphael involved but hey.
7:18 the way his face slowly falls before he gets killed is so... 🥺 it's like he was momentarily reverted to enver flymm - the naive and helpless child who was powerless as his parents handed him to a devil. gortash was corrupted by power and subjugation, but it was all for naught; here, for maybe the first time in years, he realizes how truly powerless he is. from his cradle to his tomb, he was nothing but a pawn: something to be used and traded, and then discarded when others no longer have use of him.
he sought praise and adoration from the masses because he never received that from his parents, and power to make up for his years spent helplessly enslaved. but in the end, he could only get respect and power artificially through means of force. (maybe that's why he liked the durge so much? they genuinely respected gortash's genius and saw his potential.)
his death is so unceremonious and undignified, befitting for a tyrant, but it still makes me sad nonetheless. :') gortash is such a tragic and interesting antagonist, and it's sad to see how childishly innocent his character really is.
The mouse smiled brightly: it outfoxed the cat!
Then down came the claw, and that, love, was that.
You know shit is fucked when a Devil is trying to warn you about the ending man... LMAO
Also refers to Raphael himself, he certainly likes his claw.
@@theepicduck6922 Until my sword came down onto him
@@theepicduck6922Raphael is neither the cat nor the mouse. He is the Fox. Hiding. Watching. Ready to strike when the time is right.
@@elitegamer9310 That would be after the cat kills the mouse. But what if the cat doesn't kill the mouse and rewards them for courage instead? Then what Raph said would not be correct for the situation. That would put Raph in an interesting situation.
@@elitegamer9310 in raphaels fight he says "down comes the claw", meaning he was refering to himself all along.
For the chosen of bane with the chosen of bhaal I was expecting more than just shouting at the brain
Man I had this whole deception monk run with mindflayer powers to become absolute rule with Gortash+Minthara. Stupid brain killed my Jason Isaac man now we are once again doing the elder brain boss fight with most likely no epilogue to become absolute real fun.
Well that was a pathetic way for Gortash to die… he doesnt say anything, he standa there, does nothing, sees shit is going down, tries to Gollum snatch the stones, fails, and dies miserably…
I was hoping that he would do SOMETHING useful for us atleast, rather than just being a brief cutscene cameo. Perhaps actually helping with the idk.
Gortash has been a mixed bag for me. On one hand, i love Lawful Evil and he clearly has some brain. His plot was clever and fittingly tyranical. But in the end it seems he was always doomed to fail and his lofty ambitions were pointless. I wish he would have done something atleast.
Edit: I think they should have done, is that he would help you with the final battles alongside his few remaining Cult of Bane perhaps. Maybe even a Steelwatcher if the factory is still up. After the final battle, maybe than he could either die, or you can betray him or actually have the alliance ending.
Something tells me they ran out of time to do that bit properly.
@@TheGreenReaper yeah that seems to be the case. Perhaps they might adress that in the future with an Enhanced Edition or something
Agreed. I really like the character's concept, but as it is now his story just doesn't go anywhere. I'm really hoping they will do him more justice in future updates
It wasn’t his plot though.
Spoiler alert.
It was the dark urge.
I also liked Gortash and was disappointed to see him job so hard, but I also think that was always the plan -- make him a character who's good at talking and putting up an appearance, but who's pathetic beneath the façade.
wish there was some way to have your evil ending by keeping gortash, orin or ketheric alive till the end
If you play as Durge it’s hinted that you and Gortash were in a somewhat relationship before Orin overthrew you. I think he does genuinely, to some extent, care about your character. If you read his mind it’s revealed that he does actually want to rule beside you.
Somewhat relationship? Gortash is so happy to see DU he might have as well gotten on one knee and proposed right at his coronation.
We should have gotten a Gortash romance for Durge!!!
@sunnyhill7919 seriously. It reminds me of when historians say 2 men who lived together until their deaths were just "roommates"
@@totallynotafanficreader7850I want them to add one so bad
@@UnseenOct well, to be fair, DU can also be female, and Gortash is just as happy to see her compared to her crazy sister.
I think we can all agree that Larian should someday add content to the story that allows you to join the Chosen in facing the Elder Brain and that no matter what, it is revealed that it's actually playing them all and pretending to be controlled. Could still add ways they valiantly die in battle against the brain with you. Definitely a lot of Durge potential there
If it was an Owlcat Game, I am sure such an option would be there.
Gortash conclusion is very disappointing (compared to Ketheric or Orin last moments). I was expecting something so much surprising for him, especially if you do an alliance with Raphael added to Emperor sheme... I would have LOVE to have those 3 characters reunited (in the astral prism) for a mexican standhoff with their plan/scheme around Orpheir... and you character has to deal with persuasions, lie and intimidations to put one against another one... etc.
For exemple Raphael gain the soul of Gortash instead of yours... or Gortash becoming a mindflayer... or Gortash succeeding to outplan your contract with the Devil thanks to a subparagraph in knows...
It would have been SO FUNNY to get this situation and you dealing with all those chessmasters.
Oh man, this saves me some time from trying to ally with him. In my first run I thought the ceremony would be a bigger event and did every other quest in the city. By the time I arrived, I was already maxed out with only Gortash and Orin left to do. Gortash died by his own traps when I was scouting with my ghouls 😂😂
lmao, me too. I literally thought the coronation was the endgame.
okay real talk, why the fuck is he only level 9. KETHRIC WAS HIGHER, FFS.
and no, I ain't hearing shit about "what if the steel watchers are still around", they aren't that hard. Definitely not easy, but also not something that even remotely balances the fight, ESPECIALLY compared to the other stuff in act 3
@@emperorrcktee2680fuck that i aint fighting him with all the steel watch still on him
Gortash alliance should have had an ending. May be also including something like replacing Kheteric as Myrkul's chosen.
all the paths you can go with Gortash are pretty underwhelming. I just straight up went for him and the fight was really boring compared to Kethric's fight. I was expecting Bane to come out after Gortash went down but it just ended with him being defeated.
I guess even Bane figured out Gortash sucks
kethrics fight was coolest orin got 1 turned by my paladin warlock and gortash got lasered by magic missle mage build i had the bit with the nuatiloid bombarding you when fighting was harder since it managed to kill most of my party by making them fall to thier death
@@usurpererenyeagar4587 yea Orin was pretty easy too, would of been cool if they made the fights similar to Kethric and more difficult. Im going on my second run right now as tactician hoping the fights get more difficult.
it doesnt if you know what your doing and how classes compliment each other and and if you just yolo it and go with 2 tempest paladins a sorc wizard and and a rogue ranger and watch as you kill the enemy on the first turn@@negativedt
You can talk to the Gortash corpse, Bane feels your hunger for power will make you his chosen in time
I have to say, I like how sudden Gortash's death is. He's just... snuffed out like a candle. No torment, just... it has no further use for him.
@@drdino2002 Power Word _Sucker._
I am honestly pretty disappointed with how things go if you agree to ally with Gortash. I don't mind him dying in of itself, but it would have been nice if he got a bit of dignity instead of dying like a chump. Also would have been nice if he gave your rolls to control the Netherbrain a buff by working together with you instead of just kind of sitting there like a lump.
He IS a chump tho 😂
I think it makes sense he died like that the elder brain had been in control the moment they gave it the most powerful magical artifact and became a nether brain. And tells you it had orchestrated everything up to that point. The chosen lost before they started
@@tonydanatop4912 Dude's a warlord choosen regent of Baldur's Gate in a world of gods and dragons but alright he's a chump.
@@khorneflakes2175so he's an opportunist. Doesn't make him less of a chump. He was something between a puppet, fall guy, and a money launderer, not much more than that
@@domesticcat1725 Bro's holding a measure of respect from actual godly chosen and manages to hold the highest office in the realm amongst a long list of incredible achievements and you guys are like "nah he's an opportunist" how do you think you get there ?
Anyway, i don't like Gortash at all, his character doesn't vibe with me one bit and yet it's funny lookin at random Joes on the internet dismissing basic facts and thinking themselves able to call a guy like that a chump.
that’s weird, this clip is missing the part where Gortash says “When did the brain get so huge?”
in my playthrough it happened during that awkward long closeup on his face right after the brain rises outta the water
Nah I just murdered him, nobody hurts Karlach and gets away with it.
It was a very pathetic way to die, I hoped he could seriously be useful! Fighting him is way worthy as at least he puts some efforts on trying to kill you. Here he just gets one shotted by the Nether brain. Sad indeed.
Yea I was like wow lol
ya honestly...this part? is a rare L from Larian...he should have been way more useful...
Damn she used Power Word Kill on him. I now honestly feel better about him not having a second stage boss battle or a bigger form like the other two bosses did, turns out he wasn't as in touch with Bane as the others were.
Bane is probably giving all his real power to Manshoon.
Huh that's odd, for me Gortash turned into an Avatar of Bane midway through the fight. It didn't happen with big trara or anything, mind you, but it DID happen
My fight with gortash was kind of underwhelming because I did the steel factory first. That and the traps more or less did the work for me. He does have a second stage sort of but he doesn't have good enough damage mitigation to last very long in it and his bigger attacks are extremely easy to avoid. I get the impression the fight's pretty hard with those steel guardians around but without them it's just 4 dude that get fucked over by the environment they set up.
It's pretty thematic actually. He is not an undead general, or the chosen of slaughter. His power comes from control. And if you strip away all his toys he's not threatening anymore
I didnt know he had a second stage, I stunning striked him, then pushed him over, then held personed him. he didnt get an attack off.
I hope someone will consider a "cleric of Bane" run. One that is against the absolute, but would definitely side with Gortash due to their mutual faith. Whether said person goes with the "Absolute" ending or the default ending doesn't matter - the dialogue with Bane does reflect that it doesn't matter if you take control of the Nether brain or not, what matters is that you come "a bit cloer" to Bane in either choice.
Some mild spoilers for those disappointed in Gortash's death here:
- If you kill him, you can see he's wearing some magical items (his clothes, also If I remember correctly a ring or amulet), that I believe magically make him immue to conditions like frightened and give him bonuses to persuasion. I thought it a nce touch that shows that his bravado is a facade, and that he needs magic to not be afraid.
- If you play DU, you learn that the plan was devised by the DU and the netherbrain pretty much tells you that while you were in charge you were the only one that could control it, so it planted the suggestions in Orin's brain to try and take your place.
The one thing I'll say is, not everything in a story needs to be 'epic' to work. Thinking back on the story after beating the game, I actually kind of like that both Gortash and Orin, in their own way, are actually quite pathetic and were being played by the nether brain all along (Ketheric as well, in his own way). In my own playthrough their characters both played out different than what I expected of them in the end of Act 2, and I initially was disappointed that neither really fit the role of the overarching sinister villian of the story in the way that Sarevok and Irenicus were in the originals - but I eventually ended up appreciating them as a 'different' story than the one told in the more classically structured originals.
Some heavier spoilers...
In my own DU run, I eventually found that the options that would make sense for my character to take in the end were to a) free orpheus, b) become a mind flayer, and c) commit suicide in the end end rather than live on as an illithid. A very bittersweet ending all said and done, but I appreciated that I had the ability to end in a way that made narrative sense - because narratively, my DU character would have to make an actually meaningful sacrifice to redeem themselves for their past actions.
Would be better if he didn't die, and actually became a playable member for the last fight, and you got a real ending, ruling with him
Yea I was disappointed too what a waste honestly
Man, this was such a huge missed opportunity. It would have been amazing if we had the opportunity to become allies with one of the main antagonists and rule with him.
I want more content when we can either protect Gortash smug butt from getting Killed And truly join him. 😂. I know that would probably mean turning on Your companion. But. I could see IT 🤔
unfortuante, could have been one of the more interesting endings
The sadness on durge's face when he dies 7:36 gives me durge oc lore potential
I allied with him, didn’t disable his watchers, hoping he would have a real contribution in fighting the stupid brain. What a waste. Also I would not have minded ruling the world with him lmao.
Even if it would be an evil ending like rapheal ending, etc. I would have preferred that over Gortash basically doing nothing and just dying. 😢
Fr wasted potential
I want to like Gortash so bad but I can’t help but think of Karlach every time I see him. He did our girl so dirty and she didn’t deserve any of what happened to her :(
I'm doing an evil run (not durge) and thought about joining Gortash, but after this alliance short lifespawn, I rather keep the stones to myself lol.
so i guess you shoot yourself in the foot because you also have to fight the steelwatch in the end fight/gauntled?
i had this scene but didn't fight the steelwatch in the end fight, maybe it was bugged, idk
@@Peto_IL_DUCA03 it was just a guess as the Watch is tadpole controlled
kinda disappointed that game draws you to play "good side" heavily. Because every choice you make as "evil" player is then punished by betrayal of your supposed allies or superiors, and resets you on the "good" path...
Like, I obeyed Kethric, deliver him Isobel, I loudly and clearly ADMIT to Jaheira - Yes I betrayed you and I'm sided with Kethric. And she is like "haha cool, i'm still joining you"
wtf????
literally every evil choice I make is later for some reason excused or rationally explained, can i not play a murderous, evil madman that thinks only about himself?
It seems as if good path is well made, and evil path is just a longer way around to get to the good path again. Just like the first Raphael meeting. 5 different choices, all result basically in saying him "oh no, you are a devil and I'm a little scared boy who doesn't deal with evil entities Q.Q"... like, why even offer choices.
I want my first option in game to be side with the fucking devil and become his servant.
Just like they made it an option with Gale to destroy both the brain and all 3 champions in act 2 and end the game....
You can side with the devil? He wants to play with you first but in act three you can sign a contract xD
Although I get your point it would require almost twice the dev time length to do a full evil playthrough, as they would suddenly need to create an entire story about you following the absolute / the chosen. Siding with Raphael would be interesting if he accepted it immediately, and the rest of the game was you working under him and him forcing you to get the crown for him, again though it would become an entirely different story.
@@kitnal4143 im talking about the first time you meet Raphael. in act 1, when he flicks his finger and transports you to his luscious feast. you get a lot of different dialogue options and ALL of them result in the same outcome... If there was an option to lose the tadpole from act 1 game would be VASTLY different, since you could actually forge a path of your own... As much as i LOVE Larian's storytelling, i still believe that this might have been a bit too rushed.
If you played OS2, you know that you don't really get punished for choosing evil side.. Better yet, you get rewarded by the God King with decent powers (curse + passive ressurect) and crazy evil ending.
Here you basically can't choose evil side. it's hard coded that you fail. Instead of becoming a puppet of the absolute - that asshole emperor comes in and cock blocks you which results in you becoming the absolute's most wanted enemy.... and you instantly get sent straight to jail XD
the only actual way for you to play feel-good-evil is to choose dark urge.
I'm not saying the game is bad. im just saying I am saddened that evil playthrough doesn't feel half as rewarding as good one. My first game was good side, and I was thriled.... this new game, evil game, not so much
@Kuksoman i know the scene. The reason he doesn't let you accept is because you can't provide him what he wants (yet) and he isn't willing to tell you just in case you turn it against him or tell another.
@@kitnal4143 actually at the start there is option to ask him what he wants in return and he says mortal souls
@Kuksoman that is a lie though. Well, a partial one. I won't spoil the game if you don't know what he actually wants though
Karlach disapproves.
Gortash looks like Ardyn from FF15 but with Noctis's hair. They even dress similarly.
Damn, killed with just a thought
Such a bummer that Gortash is fated to die, no matter what. :\ Boo.
Yeah sucks I like his character because he looks edgy lol
I was going to ally with Gortash but when I saw the trails of blood running up to his chambers I'd assumed he was going to just betray you, at least that's the impression the game gives you. I don't think the devs really wanted you to uphold your pact, they certainly don't seem to have voiced it very much! To that effect, it's pretty clear that part of the game is unfinished, it'll probably be patched later.
When Gortash first proposes an alliance, you can do an insight check. If you pass, you learn that he is sincere. The Emperor even agrees and suggests considering the alliance. I do think he was sincere, right up to the end.
Full disclosure, I haven't finished the game. Every time I get into Act 3, I get bored and restart :P But I've always kept G's offer on the table, or don't completely dismiss him. The place the game really pushes you to walk away from him is at the Iron Throne. You have to pretty genuinely evil not to choose the 'F U, Gortash" option.
@@PaulRGauthier He's sincere, and when you return with the stones, he'll uphold his pact if you're stern about not giving them to him. But he's a monster, so might as well go save the Gondians etc
Yes, I know. But the Emperor is also a monster. Sooooo...
@@Peleski
@@PaulRGauthier The emperor is a victim, like Astarian and Karlach.
@@Peleski LMFAO
I wanna see an edit with the Roblox ‘oof’ sound or the windows shutdown sound.
True lmao
Lord Enver Gortash, Black hand of Bane
The dark lord volde... i mean bane sorry force of habbit.
I wonder if I skipped any dialogue in my fight with him. I have Astarion as a Gloomstalker Hunter/Assassin and this fight is one you can actually see staged so I started arrowing him from a far, got a paralyzing critical on him, and killed him in the first turn. He never said a word.
It would be cool if Gortash's support would give you an advantage in those rolls
I don't mind this, I know that even if you get nat 20's you still fail which is kinda lame, would be nice to have it skip to the end considering how difficult it would be to do without save scumming. To me this would be a great way to explain why the ritual failed. Spoilers for Dark Urge below.
Considering your plan to take it over the first time failed because of Orin murdering you and failing and the second time it failed because Gortash thought he could do better or take the power for himself. In fact, I would love it more that if you went down this path the take over ending is locked out because of Gortash ruining the spell. Would still fit the theme of Bhall being pissed because you trusted the champion of his rival instead of killing him and doing it yourself.
The only issue I have with BG3's home rules is the nat 20-nat 1 rule. There's no critical failure or critical success in skill checks. A 20 is just a 20, a 1 is just a 1.
@@Galf506wtf are you talking about?
@@burgertime6372about the rules of tabletop. Crits and critfails only apply to attacks. You can pass a skill check in a dnd even if you rolled 1, bit had enough bonuses.
Nat 20 doesnt give you what you want or a free win, nat 20 gives you THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. And sometimes the best possible outcome is just not instantly dying. People need to stop acting like a nat 20 is like the Wish spell
what i can write? max... big brain, really big brain
Minthara be like
Straj!
Damn he got ICED
There definitely could’ve been more interactions with Gortash, but I think the way things go down at the end are fitting for Gortash. He’s a tyrant and tries to snatch the stones from you and then fails his own advice. He faltered and he died and it could’ve killed us too. His whole thing is making people do the work for him until the very end where he betrays them and snatches everything up for himself. He’s also afraid of anyone who could have any closer of power over him so he clings to it desperately. Very satisfying to see him take his own medicine.
He didnt betray the player and had no plans to do so. He just saw you failling to control the brain and wanted to try it himself.
@@panzrok8701 He does though in a way. He betrays our trust. The fact he still snatches it from us means he doesn’t trust us. No other character does that except for us when the player chooses to betray. He may not have had that intention at first but he’s not above snatching what he thinks he deserves.
@@MrBrockmcmillin Why shouldnt he also try if you failed? You also got a stone from him so he has every right to also use them. There is also zero evidence in the game in terms of reading thoughts or documents that he wants to betray you. It also makes more sense because Bhaal is lawfull evil and betraying isnt his thing.
@@panzrok8701 Why wouldn’t every character try when we fail? Because they trust us to get it done. Even the Emperor does. And he hasn’t done anything to make us think otherwise? Literally the entire game Gortash backstabs and betrays every other character you encounter who has met him including his own parents. Why would you be any different? Anyone who thinks Gortash would side with them is proving they would easily be his next victim. He is not to be trusted at all. The best liars believe their own lies.
@@MrBrockmcmillin if you pass the checks on him when you talk to him though, its revealed that hes being completely earnest in sharing his power with you.
I was disappointed with how this ending plays out. I would have loved to see an ending where you actually rule with him instead of the regular absolute ending.
Yup.
So wat happened after i need to know 😢
The emperor saves you
It plays out as usual, which is a little disappointing.
@@LilMeep_x does it at least count as if you succeeded a 99 check?
@@twentyeightstabwounds7761
Succeeding that check apparently gives a health debuff to the final boss but that's about it; The games plays out normally.
Isn't he breaking the 4th wall in 00:25 or is it a bug? He wants to control elder brain as a puppeteer, and maybe he knows we are the puppeteer of Tav, that's why he says we can be his "equal"...
Far more friendly break, than when the pixie morphs you into a boar for mentioning the madman puppeting the story.
Kinda disappointing you can have an ending with him, but that means Bane would succeed, and the game requires all the three gods to fail and disappear.
i just slapped gortash like the big baby he is.
I thought he was cool lol
thats 1000 psychic damage to him lol
Lazy plot writing.
If the brain can kill Gortash then why don't they also kill the player and takes the stones? Just killing Gortash off like that is just lazy. Considering BG3 was released before it's done (it is and you all know it even if in denial) then the devs likely forced this in the game. Imagine if we actually had a choice between the emperor and Gortash. And having Gortash run things after. That would have been great. Brain would have to die of course (convince him, have the brain once again prove it can't be controlled then killed. etc). But it can work easily.
Fr thought the same
agreed and the evil ending was a hot mess. i wanted a team of baddies to rule together not as tav thralling. it ruined the game for me im not touching it for a year to see if they fix the endings. also.....they just patched the game "fixing" mintharas lack of dialogue triggering during act 3. thats nice of them to fix it after the majority of evil players have already finished the game.
Plot just slides down in the third act sadly. There are a lot of contradictions in characterisation (Like the Gortash's or Emperor's, for example), lack of meaningful companion interaction after their quests are done and so on. The endings even for the good playthrough are VERY bare-bones and underwhelming. Definitely not over 17000 variants that were promised.
It's a shame, but I hope Larian will fix this stuff if players will be vocal about it, because I very much liked what was going on in the first act.
don't remember kenobi looking like this
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@@LilMeep_x ??
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT DAMMIT????
Nothing really he dies and the emperor saves you
People complain about how "useless" Gortash is. But that's the point of his character - he isn't as smart as he think he is. The spot for magnificent bastard in the plot is already taken by Raphael. Gortash is more cunning than priestess Gut and did damage, but deludes himself with dreams of world domination while he struggles to control one city and can't trust his (insane) complices.
Raphael literally writes wet dream fanfiction about himself defeating Asmodeus, not very magnificent bastard of him
@@TheBerylfly True enough, but he is victorious in one of the endings and is more threatening than some other antagonists.
@@AvvocatodiTito He is dumb af. His only chance to win is that the protagonist might think that he needs to free Orpheus in order to defeat the Elder Brain (exchange one tested ally, the Emperor, for the potential ally who may even not want to help us). AND THIS IS HIS ONLY PLAN TO OBTAIN THE ITEM WHICH HE WANTED FOR SO MANY CENTURIES!
Knowing full well that the Emperor is not plotting anything bad and helps the protagonist even in the epilogue... I think that Raphael plan was kinda HORRIBLE for such a devil.
@@dgomezzzzz you can just steal the orpheus hammer from House of Hope you doesn’t need Raphael just steal his stuff . And I dont trust the squid guy is pretty sus. Squids doesnt have souls like bone man says.
Spoilerish.... the story pretty much makes it clear that the real brains behind the whole scheme was the Dark Urge. In a DU run the netherbrain pretty much tells you straight on that you were the only one that was really able to control it.
Dumb question. So if you kill Orin before speaking to Gortash at all:
Is the Steelwtach automatically disabled?
What happens ti Wyll's Father?
If you kill Orin before speaking to Gortash. He will congrat you later and invite you to the rooftop. The Steel Watch still stand, Iron throne, Mizora spoken to rescue Duke Ravengard. But reminding that if you save Duke Ravengard = go against him, the moment you set the foot again on the Wyrm's Crossing is a big fight.
gortash as a character (and his arc if there even was one) was so disappointing tbh. he was not at all developed and fleshed out esp in comparison to ketheric and orin, even lesser content in evil durge, genuinely wished they'd done more with him even if it ended the same way with him discarded by the brain like that. he's the least fleshed out, easiest fight, most buggy, it's tragic. atleast he's attractive 🙏🏼
So this is completely off topic of the video but I've noticed people's playable characters having that kinda necrotic appearance in clips and videos, is this a mod or the result of a story choice? Ps. I do not mind spoilers if it's not possible to explain with out spoiling something
It’s the result of a choice that “The Emperor” gives you (IIRC near start of Act 3). I’m 99% sure the choice is impossible to miss so if you don’t know what I’m saying yet just keep playing.
Is there any way to make gortash survive to the end of the game?
No
So … you cant actually side with him in the end? No ending at all, just an npc Death? Like you cant side with ketheric…
I am happy i quitted the evil Playthrough After Act 2.
To be fair, siding with Gortash is more beneficial than Ketheric. Aside from party disapproval, and missing out on three major game bosses and a submarine rescue, it is a quicker way to the endgame if you want that.
I do wish there was a way Gortash survived though. Would have been cool to work with Gortash and have allied Baneites in the final fight.
what hammer is the main character wielding?
Corpsegrinder
"oh gortash is not that bad i dont dislike him" none of you deserve karlach girl get behind me!!!!!!!
Devs biggest failure
Fr they could of done more with it
He looks more like Cyric's Chosen than Bane's.
Seriously, the pathetic, cowardly doll is the chosen one of the eternal tyrant and lord of terror? Bane's lawful evil is heavily underrated in games. Bane is supposed to be Sauron D&D. He is the most powerful of the dark three. He was the only one to regain his full status as a greater deity. Give me a true Bane Champion someone like Agandaur. Give me the opportunity to play on the side of evil with honor and dignity, not a mindless need to destroy.
Bane is still a Quasi-deity as by 5e actually. Though yes among the three he held the most authority. "Bane along with the returned Myrkul and Bhaal remained behind as quasi-deities. Though he was still able to influence events over Faerûn, Bane was essentially trapped in a mortal form."
@@DemonMaluMintus You can see back to Bhaal and Myrkul's lives, Wizard messed up a bit. In the 3rd and 4th editions, Bane is the greater deity. He not only regained, but also increased his power. He even conquered the goblin pantheon. Very quickly, he became one of the most powerful evil gods. Moreover, his church was stable and united. He did not allow internal conflicts. Whereas Myrkul was a lesser deity and had to serve Kelemvor. Second Sundering Weakened most of the gods and reduced their influence on the world. Again, it's not like he didn't regain his power, but he lost it again because of Ao. He remained in mortal form to have greater influence over mortals. He is now literally Sauron of the forgotten lands, sitting in his tower building an empire.
There's an old theory that the current Bane isn't actually Bane. It's his son who supposedly was used to bring Bane back from the dead. Xvim just faked his death and used his dad's identity in order to regain his old followers. This is backed up with "Bane" currently using a lot of things that his son was fond of including the color scheme of Black and green. Gortash honestly fits a lot more a Xvim chosen than Bane's. Not to mention that Bane's faction played second fiddle to Bhaal's
I rather disagree. Gortash is a pretty neat chosen for Bane. Yes, he is not physically imposing, but the whole plot is his creation. A mortal trying to subdue an elderbrain is madness but exactly what tyrants might do in this world when they overestimate their power.
@@xandroy1273
see you shoulda bored it with the testament of Merkyl first
I killed gortash the first time I saw him lol