You sir, are a gentleman & a scholar. Please do a video regarding ‘YOU’. You are extremely well spoken and explain things very well. And obviously highly educated. Please keep it coming!
Totally agree, this thing stock can do a lot. I went on a 4 months overlanding trip with complete stock everything except adding a roof rack cause I needed an awning and extra storage. Stock tires. 44 states, 40k miles, never stuck once. Only after the trip, changed to a set of KO2s cause it’s time to change tires and Costco had a sweet deal.
One thing you should consider regarding the engineers: they have to achieve specific targets: EPA / marketing requirements. Especially the mileage (MPG) requirements. This alone makes them to configure the vehicle in a ‘less capable’ model and compromises have to be made. V8 is a thirsty beast. In order to achieve the mileage targets, they have to ‘kill’ the approach angle + reduce unsprung mass. This is what these cars have such big / low front bumper dressings (aero) and have tire / wheel sizes to achieve these targets. For off-road enthusiasts, we are ok to pay more for gas to regain these capabilities. As for the geometry, majority of the kits out there are designed to correct this. These are important things consider in conjunction to your excellent points.
I 100% agree with what you’re saying I have a 2008 forerunner with a center locking DIF and I’ve never modified it. I’ve never ran into anything it couldn’t tackle.
This is such an important argument. I have literally ruined vehicles I’ve owned in the past, thinking I can out engineer the engineers. Exhibit A would be my 1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. An amazing car that was engineered in Japan with features like all wheel drive, Active Suspension, Active Aero (front and rear spoilers tilt) and Active Exhaust. I found an unmolested example in 2003 with 38,000 miles. I took it to a Mitsubishi master mechanic who advised not to modify. I joined some forums and everybody told me I needed to modify it. Sadly, I needed to “add an egg”. I spent a small fortune adding Tanabe exhaust, Tein coil overs, Koenig wheels and Nittos, short throw shifter; racing clutch intakes; wires etc. By the time I was done, the car was completely different, and now I can say I ruined it. The drivability had been altered to where it was much less enjoyable in most situations. I like to think I learned something from that experience. I’m taking possession of a perfect 2019 Lexus GX 460 with 35k miles. I am going to be extremely hesitant to do anything to it that takes away from its stock form and function. I really like the idea of not lifting this vehicle and you make great arguments why we shouldn’t. The Japanese engineers truly know what they are doing. “Relentless pursuit of perfection” seems like a slogan rooted in engineering. With the KDSS, Tokiko shocks, and the added features in the Luxury model- it seems like you are really messing with a lot of engineering when you alter with a lift, or even larger size tire. Thanks again for the outstanding content!
Thank you 😃. I agree with what you said about "outdoing the engineers"... it never works 😆... always makes things worse no matter if it's a miata or a mack truck. Fact is engineers want to keep the rubber on the road.. ie maximum contact and thus traction.. same goal as "tuners"... once you get honest with yourself, you tend to have an amazing respect for what the engineers have done right out of the box. Not saying special racing applications can't benefit from mods but "normal use vehicles" seldom benefit and often get ruined... Will the "proud" modder admit he ruined his ride. nope...
Great take. You know one thing that comes to mind that could be considered a better modification than lifting the GX is changing the front and rear bumper for better approach and departure angles. Also the factory steps get in the way all the time. Deleting those or changing them to a thinner Rock slider would give you some of the benefits that a lift would, and you'd feel the benefits. Thank you for the video
Just bought a 2018 and just found your channel. Perusing your videos, it looks like you’re covering the very topics I have questions about - so binge watching, here I come.
I'm new to off roading (just bought a 2018 4Runner Limited) and have been educating myself on things like safety equipment (have ordered skid plates and rock rails and bought a few recovery things), off road driving, whether I need to make modifications. There are a few topics where the conventional wisdom (it's not whether to lift but how much to lift, air down your tires to drive off road, etc.) have left me scratching my head because they didn't make intuitive sense to me. I'm glad to find the channel of an experienced off roader who can explain some of these kind of issues and make me feel like I'm not crazy. The skid plates and rock rails were no brainers for me. I hope I'm being too conservative and never even scrape them, but I view them as insurance while I'm getting off road driving experience to minimize the chance I end up with a broken down vehicle in the middle of nowhere. The 4x4 shop I've been dealing with that is going to install the rails and plates talked about a 2.5" lift kit (Old Man Emu) - that's about $2K, then when you do that you need bigger tires and rims and that's going to be another $2K or more to replace nice rims and tires that probably have 50K miles left on them. For what benefit? I'm not even sure. But I can see what will be worse, even ignoring the $4K+ I'd spend to do it - the vehicle will have a higher center of gravity and be more dangerous in terms of rollover both off road and on road, it will be worse for towing a small trailer, it will get worse gas mileage, the tires will cost more and wear out faster, I could have unintended consequences like ongoing alignment issues or wearing out parts prematurely because I've changed the mathematics of the vehicle versus how it was designed. Your video has helped solidify my inclination to leave the vehicle alone and do nothing to the suspension until it leaks. I bought it because I have had great experience with the reliability of Toyota and Lexus vehicles, and second guessing their engineering and build decisions and spending money in search of benefits I can't even define doesn't make any sense. I'm with you, everybody should do whatever they want to do with their vehicles based on their own preferences, but I think the stock 4Runner Limited with some added safety equipment is going to be able to do just about anything I want to do with it. If I find out otherwise after driving it for a year, I'll reconsider.
Thank you fornyour kind comments. As far as offroading. Toyota engineers know what they're doing. In my opinion a lift will remove more than people think they will gain... again this is just my opinion. Yes clearance will improve, but at the expense of articulation, and stability... the GX will be more "tippy" without articulation. In stock form the body remains "level" while the wheels articulate and trace the undulations of the offroad surfaces... VERY stable.. Much of "modding" is not rooted in actual function but instead looks, Bernays, mythologies, internet folklore... and that's FINE if that's what you're into, but as far as functional improvements... skids, and chop the bumpers.. and some KO2s does wonders
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I'll look at the KO2s when it's time for new tires, but the 4Runner I bought came with Michelin LTX M/S, 245/60r20, that only have 15K or so miles on them and are probably good for another 40-50K if rotated and taken care of. It's the same tire I put on my Lexus RX 350 and have had no problems with for over 30K miles. Everything I read says the Michelins are a good off road tire and reliable, though I'm sure there are better ones probably including the KO2s. Your videos on tire pressure were also an eye opener for me, as I was trying to figure out how airing tires down 25-30% (pretty much standard advice online) to drive them 50 miles on a dirt/gravel road made any sense. I've never done that with a Highlander or Lexus RX 350 which I have driven on plenty of lousy forest service gravel/dirt roads. It seemed to me that you'd be stressing the sidewalls and making a blowout more likely as the tires heated up. I'd think the thing to do would be to run the tires at the normal PSI and reduce your speed to where you weren't bouncing and could come to a normal stop without slamming on the brakes if you saw a rut or some jagged rocks in the road ahead of you. Drive a little slower in 3rd or 4th gear if appropriate. Based on your video on tire pressure, I'm inclined to keep the tires on the 4Runner at normal pressure off road until I have traction issues, with the possible exception of dropping down maybe 25% if I'm driving a trail that's mostly sand and that I know has some spots where you can bog down.
I love the chair. Its like a psych appointment for the GX. 4x4 therapy. I just put TRD pro wheels and 268/70/17 tires on my 2013. I do not want a lift. However I do have to replace a couple bolts and modify some plastic. Im rubbing a little when turning right and while turning in reverse.
I'm so glad i found your channel when I did. I'm currently looking for a good used GX and was planning on looking at one today that has a lift kit. Because of your advice and my plans to tow an overlanding teardrop, I'll be canceling that appointment. You might've just saved me a lot of hassle. Thank you!
Because I bought the luxury edition, it came with 19 inch rims that are more sporty than functional in my opinion. Therefore, I had to buy smaller wheels to find all-terrain tires. Unfortunately, I could not find any when I had 19 inch rims. I too want to stay as close to stock as I can and this video help me realize to keep it as practical as you can. Plus it means more money in our pockets lol.
Just my opinion and it’s inline with what you’re saying here; On my 2013GX. I left the factory struts in, topped them with toytec(made in USA)spacers. Factory UCAs, factory shocks in the rear with ICON progressive springs. I only really wanted the GX to be less squishy pulling my boat. By adding the ICONs I needed to level out by using the spacers. When I brought it for realignment, mechanic said. This is within spec, no need to fiddle with anything. You start getting aggressive with the lifts, I’d say, anything over 3.5” trying to stuff 35’s in the wheel wells ..buy a jeep and hack the hell outta that instead. These GXs have been perfected to take you to the ends of the earth, just the way they are. Thanks for these vids, love that you take your chair with you! ✌🏽
@Rovingdog628 I didn’t, the comment didn’t compare anything. Maybe re read what I wrote unless you’re just talking to hear yourself talk. Then I can’t help you.
Appreciate the perspective. I’ve kept luxury 2016 stock except adding wild peaks and the plug and play dr KDSS to turn off the system above 18 mph. It makes the ride softer on washboard and rough roads. I don’t think it’ll hurt the system. Do you think it will? I like your pov on keeping it stock and but was surprised the stock could/should handle the weight of the new bumper. The GX is a beast. Thanks for all the content.
I'm in the same place as you in terms of philosophy on how to use and modify vehicles. The more one learns about modding suspension and drivetrain, the more one realizes that the engineers already did a pretty good job in the big picture of things. No point modifying and "adding own egg" unless there are some very particular requirements.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD ive had mine for only a couple of weeks, so nothing other than a Kurt receiver for now. I have messed around with both a 90's Ford truck (oversized tires, aftermarket shocks, hurst shifter and a hi-ratio & performance rear diff carrier from Torsen), and a first-gen MazdaSpeed3 (short shifter, xl corksport front brakes, then spacers to fit said brakes, lol... tuen rolling the wheel wells and adding spring spacers to remedy the bottoming-out...) bottom line is every modification is a trade-off. Engineers are better at doing that than armchair engineers/designers/architects in the carport league ))
@@freezerlunik People just don't realize how much money car companies spend on design and engineering. For example, it's famously know that Toyota spent one billion dollars in the development of the LS400 (which essentially launched the Lexus brand in America). One billion in late 1980's dollars at that. Absolutely bonkers.
That was an interesting history lesson you pointed out. I'm all about function. Looks are of no consideration for myself. You make outstanding points. And the reality is not many owners are going to take this in harsher environments than you have. I like your style of waiting until things break before modifying such as your bumper. Stock is good!! And oh boy Pilot Rock!! There were sections I would not have even taken my dual sport bike on that you made look easy. I truly believe you would have came close if not flipped your GX had it been lifted.
Thanks for the content I"m finding this channel very helpful as I start shopping for a GX460. I do have a counterpoint based on my 5th Gen 4Runner experience. Yes you have to trade some stock characteristics for a lift (less fuel efficiency mainly). Where I'd offer a different point of view is whether the aftermarket can beat stock shocks. There are several brands that offer beefier shocks and you don't have to lift the vehicle. Take a look at Icon 2.5" extended travel shocks for example. I'm all for keeping a truck stock, but do feel you can buy "better" shocks in the aftermarket that will last a long time.
Thank you for the pragmatic discussion of this topic. This video earned you another subscriber from me. I am in camp number one as well. Our 2010 with 180k+ miles has gone everywhere we've asked it to. The current limitation is the need of a snorkel. Swollen creek crossings have forced us to turn around too many times. Also, the amount of dust, mud, snow/slush that cakes the air filter due to the fender well pulled induction is getting old.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I am not specifically aware if all Prado snorkel offerings fit the US model GX's, and I wouldn't want to offer advice on an assumption. However, check out Dobinsons out of Florida. Their snorkel offering is the one I've had my eye on, and as it states in the product listing, it is in fact designed for all 2010+ Prado and US GX460 offerings.
The truck is a Toyota Prado. It has some similarities to the 4 Runner, but the truck in frame, suspension and engine is a Prado. In Europe they come diesel. The V8 used the US version of the Lexus Prado has the old V8 from the Mini Tundra which was around up until 2011 ish. That V8 engine, transmission is worth a Million miles. I agree with the lifting, but a 2 inch lift is needed for deeper off roading, for the average guy leave it as is and enjoy. You can put beefier tires once its time to toss out the factory ones and good enough. When you lift a truck like the GX, that Toyota built and tested, you can lose tilt articulation and can make the truck more prone to tipping over. Cheers!
Totally enjoyed the invitation into your exploratory reasoning. Reminds of a dear friend. I gotta get out there. Your sentiment to mod your mind first-makes it stick. You have a new student.
I like the way you think and enjoyed this video. I just bought a 4runner and I'm amazed at what it can get through. I'm also astonished at how bad I can fail, but I have to try stuff that is scary to get better. Anyway, nature is telling me I should have waited until my skid plates and rock sliders arrived lol. I'm trying to stay on the logging roads, but I can't help myself...Anyway, everyone is telling me I need a lift and I'm just not sure that's right based on what has given me trouble so far. I've gotten dents and scrapes, but when I got high centered, it wasn't because I needed 2", I needed at least 6" to do it the noobie straight approach, but while I was looking at my situation I noticed I could probably have approached it from an oblique angle. I might have scraped or lifted a tire, but I'd have three on the ground instead of zero to get me out lol. Skill and experience trumps equipment.
Caught a couple of your vids. People need more like this. Everything is a trade off. At the end of the day, people have to ask themselves what their purpose of use is. I find people want aesthetic mainly and aren't honest with themselves as to their actual purpose of use.
I love this channel. Not afraid to discus the pragmatic, while the GX next to you is absolutely lathered in earth. Well said. That bumper though, needed modding. Not lifting mine either.
Good points, I agree that most people can do with a stock suspension. I don't understand why you didn't mention all of the high quality lifts which are available like fox or bilstein. Not all shocks are made in China. The 4runner (gx460 cousin) trd pro comes from the factory with a lift and fox shocks.
This video is much appreciated. My wife and I are about to complete a sale on a GX460, to be our family/camping vehicle. Friends of mine are quick to say "when is the lift coming" or "haha just watch this snowball into a long-travel monster on 35s". But the reality is that yes, the vehicle will be most reliable and function correctly as it was engineered by Toyota. After watching this, I'm convinced that the money is better spent on things like Prado 150 rockers + sliders and eventually, an aftermarket front bumper to regain the approach angle that was lost with the stock Lexus spindle front fascia. As a side note, I spent several years in college exploring abandoned mines in the CA deserts and I took my stock, stickshift Toyota Corolla to places that most GXs will never see. A majority of your success in off-road driving comes down to driver skill and the only way to get that is practice. 2WD off-roading is all about momentum and wheel placement!
Thank you for your positive comments. Indeed "lift and lockers" prattle mostly means that they don't _actually_ offroad. Also this: th-cam.com/video/98vTfazSa7Y/w-d-xo.html
As a hardcore off roader, I have a few vehicles, a 99 ram 1500 4x4 lifted 2.5 inches, a 07 wrangler Rubicon and a new owner of a 13 GX460 lifted 2.5 inches. My jeep is obviously my off road rig and is way more capable than the GX, I'm not lying to myself about it. The GX is capable but doesn't hold a candle to a Rubicon. I lifted my other vehicles because I do go to very hard to get to camping spots, the GX has a lot higher towing capacity than the wrangler that I was using to tow my off road trailer. I like the look as well but it's mainly the break over angle I'm after, I've high centered the truck even after the lift so I feel the GX would be better. That has a foamcell shock, I'm definitely not worried about a failure of a shock even if it was manufactured in China. At the end of the day, do whatever you need your vehicle to do. If you need the clearance then lift it, just know your mpgs will go down slightly but it will in fact be less likely to be high centered while off road when lifted.
I have friends that have bought brand new 4x4s, then rush it off to be lifted, fancy shocks and suspension etc, as soon as they pick it up from the dealer. What you are saying makes sense lol! Nothing they do is out of a need, or for functionality. I think most people do it to "fit in" too.
Toyota chose the height because it was sufficient to accommodate the stock tires, which were chosen because it was sufficient for the way 99.5% of people use them. I mean...they obviously didn't have off-road in mind when the did the bumpers and running boards.
i was going to lift mine, but I have the premium suspension, and didn't want to mess with it. I added slightly larger tires, and think for offroading, a front bumper and rock sliders are reasonable. probably the only two main mods i would do as well.
I appreciate the video. I agree there are people that feel a lift is a basic requirement for off road performance. The reality is not that clean cut at all. The reason in my mind to add anything to the suspension is multifactorial. First is weight. adding a new front bumper, which the GX does benefit from adds some weight, and if you want a winch, which I personally like to have, more weight. Also adding other gear, a roof rack, drawer system, tools, and gear adds weight. This is going to change the driving dynamics and the engineers at Toyota as good as they are cannot anticipate every situation. Tires, if you want slightly larger tires clearance can become an issue, granted on the GX the body becomes a limiting factor very quickly. Finally adding some capability with improved dampening from reputable suspension manufactures (Bilstein, icon, OME, King etc) can get you a setup that will respond better to washboards and rough terrain. Additionally having some adjustment in the shocks can help with varying amounts of weight etc. I am sure you as everyone is aware of this. With all that said I think a lift or any suspension modifications should be last on the list, after you add all your weight, take the rig out and use it for a while. Then carefully decide if the tradeoffs you mentioned are worth while. Just my thoughts. thanks for the insight it is nice to have someone think through the issues and not just install product x and tell me how great it is.
I agree, I'm in the stock height camp as well. If off roading over huge rocks or you need to increase your approach and departure angles, perhaps you would be wise to look at lifting your rig 2-3 inches and adding larger tires for more clearance. However, you may also need to change upper and lower control arms, shocks, adding a front diff drop kit, and, in this case, modifying the KDSS system as well. My Prado does not have KDSS so I wouldn't need to modify that. I added Toyota TRD 17" wheels and 270/70/17 Falcon Wildpeak AT3 tires for about a 1/2" clearance gain. Next, I will be looking at better and more comprehensive skid plates in case I do encounter the odd rock or two. Great video, I'm liking your style and ease of explanation.
Excellent video. It has been hard to make the decision to delete my air suspension on my 17 Lux. I already have an excellent ride and a lift when I want.
I like the application of cake mix sales psychology vs. Vehicle modders psychology. Deep! My assessment of extreme Vehicle modders (especially needless mods) usually devolves into their comfort with the size of their Johnson:) Also, it does crack me up to see a Japanese Vehicle with American Flag stickers all over it. Even if it was built in a plant here, it is a foreign vehicle manufacturer. A manufacturer that was our enemy in the last world war as well. Sarah Silverman sang it best..."Jewish people driving German Cars.... What the **** is up with that S***". And I say this as a proud America Army Vet Toyota owner! But just to piss off the American Flag Toyota guys in So Cal, I put a Japanese flag on my Yota! Keep up the good work Mr. Eckhart Tolle of the 4x4 World!
Thank you for the kind comments and your support... and yes.. we all remember the monster truck analogy you are presenting... but I think these days that's not politically correct to imply? lol... but.. ya.. that too 😆
Oui “We” 🇫🇷 😂 - Lucky for me- she gone I am probably still not lifting it though. I am thinking of doing the 1/2 spacers up front for the leveled look, but not really motivated enough to buy and install them. Anyways thanks for the video.
I agree. I love to see what other people have done but I intend to keep mine stock. I was wondering if the shield on the hood helps keeping debris/rocks from trashing the hood. Where did you get it? I would put something like that on mine. since mine is green I don't think it would even be too noticeable. I like what you did with the bumper too.
Hands down best video I've watched on GX460 and 95% of other TH-cam videos. Interesting you mentioned Edward Bernays, he was a marketing genius. Amazing job keep it going!!
Is it safe to add 1.25'' wheel spacer so I can get put on bigger tires on the 18'' rim. Is there going to be any issues with the Upper Control Arm and Lower Control Arm?
Also, just to clarify. I’m not just being a snob pulling my ‘boat’. It’s a work boat doing commercial fishing and I also run a small construction company. So my GX is doing work picking up rental equipment and sending employees to get lunch:-)everybody knows how hard your employees are in vehicles they don’t own ..just ask me why the bumper got caved in
I'm in a somewhat similar boat. I only recently got my GX and I don't feel I really want a lift. As of right now I'm bone stock. But eventually want to get a stealth bumper and get some rock sliders. What kind of clearance do you get after the bumper trim and running board replacement? Depending on the tires you could be looking at an inch extra clearance by itself.
I wanted to believe this, but not lifting the GX and keeping the stock bumper is NOT going to work. As for aesthetic, I prefer the stock bumper and a lift.
Great analysis of "adding an egg mentality". Think of Humpty Dumpty when trying to upstage the Toyota engineers at the Tahara Plant in Japan. Lexus did the Prado Land Cruiser right.
2 inch lift means 2 inches reduced droop travel, which is not at all helpful keeping wheels on the ground. Cv angles and castor also adversely impacted. Better quality shocks and springs to suit modified weight are definitely available though.
Thanks! Can I tease about the dirt on your dash? Just kidding. Looks like you really enjoy your beast. Have you driven a lifted GX? I am thinking about it but after watching your videos I think I have more to consider. The idea of “rebuilding” shocks every 50K is not very appealing. I was in Sedona and was reluctant to take my GX off road (the serious trails) but I still have the stock bumper and steps so clearance would have been an issue. I will read more comments to see if I can answer my questions. Did you mention tire size. Just stock sizing?
Guys, seem like you guys are all connoisseurs of this amazing vehicle. I’m finally in the market for one, however I am undecided between a new one or used one. I have found some good deals under 50k mileage, but not sure since I also believe being the first owner of these type of machines could render beneficial as well. Any advice will be highly welcomed.
I just found out that the stock Bridgestone Dueller HTs that came on my '22 sucks big time (based on tire rack reviews). Why couldn't mine come with Michelins like yours?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Well, for now I haven't noticed much since I only had the GX for two months, however I hope it works well in snow and rain when it comes time to drive it during it.
I would appreciate you input on the Base trim vs. Luxury trim with air suspension. We will be a family of 4 with a small teardrop or popup trailer, maybe hitting the max towing. Will also do mild off-roading. All in stock form probably b/c I agree with your philosophy. What are your thoughts on whether the air suspension is worth it due to the trailer, or not needed? I also like some of the luxury add-ons but there are fewer luxuries on the used market. Thanks!
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD of course you have a video! Searched for and watched your beach sand video but didn't think about AHC. Ultimately I think it makes sense for us to get luxury trim, low mileage, and modify as we go based on our needs and interest. Can also take out the AHC but can't add AHC to base (well maybe you can but that's probably harder). Thanks!
Enjoy your videos. Looking to get a GX 460 myself. Wondering if you would be interested in doing a video on the air suspension? Can not find many video’s concerning this. Except replacing it with coil springs but a vast majority is with the 470 not the 460. Anyway. Still enjoy the videos Hopefully I will soon will be able to add some practical experience to the conversation. Thanks!!
Thank you for subscribing and for your kind words. I have no personal experience with the airsprings on the GX but I could make a theoretical video on my opinion about them. Would that be helpful?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes that would be great. I really want the Mark Levinson audio. I would have to purchase used. From my research if I am to get the premium audio the adjustable suspension is included
personally, I do not see the need for a lift... it ruins the geometry... but that is purley an opinion... if you like the idea of a lift, go for it! 😃 ❤️
🤣😂🤣 some people want more capabilities then stock since they hit the limit of the stock suspension and ground clearance. Other people don't wheel at all hence they keep it stock. End of story.
The Gx460 still have the same stupid drivetrain issues the Prados have, overheating, locking/unlocking on extended grades, not enough valve body pressure, gear hunt. they're fixes for all the issues(out of Aus) but it'd be nice if Toyota would just make some small changes to fix those instead of ignoring them for all these years. Hopefully you never see conditions that bring thing issues up but if you do, you'll probably be annoyed enough to "fix" them. Toyota is aware but has chosen to do nothing instead of making those small changes.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Gotcha, when I need to change the tires, I'm getting something similar or maybe even though. I'm going to upgrade mine piece mill as I go along.
Reasonable expectations? I live in Ouray, CO in the summer. We have miles of high alpine 4x4 trails from mild to wild. A friend who is an experienced 4x4 showed up with his new stock 4Runner trail model. He drove Black Bear pass trail. The vehicle tested it's skid plates several times. My lifted GX has no such affliction. 8" ground clearance is fine on a two door Wrangler. A longer wheel base then the ground clearance becomes an big issue. A funny thing happened on my GX. The air ride was removed. The vehicle was lifted 3" with KO2 tires. On cross country trips the GX has a much better ride. The MPG did not suffer. None of the mods were for looks.
In general you are right in the details you are misleading. The stock is fantastic for most conditions not for all. It depends on your use. Yes there are people that do it just for looks and that is their choice but do not lump all people in the same general category. There are many suspension systems for a particular use that are superior and not made in China . EMU Old man suspension made in Australia being a n example and superior to the Japenese shocks in every way from an engineering stand point. Trade off yes but the question are they worthwhile in turns of use. I own one and do not plan any modifications but to be fair you did come off judgemental. Otherwise you make great educational videos and keep them coming.
As an owner of a Premium GX460, who also considered the Luxury trim, my decision came down to: It’s only on the rear suspension, there is the expensive chance it would need repair, and I heard stories about the “lean” where it would drop unevenly and give the vehicle a lean.
Sorry. I am a subscriber and usually really like your videos but I think you are at least incomplete if not completely off base here. If I follow your breakdown of GX users there IS a 4th camp: those that wish to drive offroad in higher risk situations and who want confidence that their rig will survive. And based on your other videos about skid plates, I assume that you have been forced into lines where you seriously scraped your front or rear diff on at least one occasion. It is not made for that ;). The solution(s) are 1) increase ground clearance (which you seem to oppose) and 2) increase protection (which you do not). Ground clearance = tire diameter. Suffice it to say I could not even get past the "gatekeeper" obstacle on Broken Arrow, which is one of the most scenic trails here in AZ, and only a "moderate" level 3 on the easiest lines, if I didn't have at least 33" tires (I tried!!). And I couldn't clear my 33" BFG KO2's without at least a 2" lift on my 2008 GX470 (plus other minor mods). And if you want another inch of clearance, then 35" tires absolutely require a lift and other mods as well. My understanding is that the clearance issues are exactly the same on the GX460 - if not worse. And, since I am a paranoid engineer who designs & builds automotive safety sensors, I have also replaced the plastic side steps with rock sliders that actually protect the door frames, and (like you) added skid plates that protect all the stuff that Toyota engineers never expected to get banged repeatedly. Both have battle scars & I DO NOT drive aggressively. I am not about rock crawling - I just want to get safely to the destination without damaging my ride. This is not about "adding an egg" to personalize my ride - although it is nice to not be EXACTLY like the other 4 bazillion white GX's & 4Runners on the road. And I bet many of your viewers are the same. So there is a 4th group. And given that you added skid plates to your GX, you're in it too! :) This criticism aside, I really appreciate some of your other videos. Your analysis and video on ATRAC was, frankly, brilliant. And has forced me to seriously reconsider if I really need the expense and complexity of lockers. So thanks. I do appreciate your content and willingness to think outside the box.
You made several good points, but not all lift kits are chinese garbage. Good kits are upwards of $4k, but you cannot tell me that Tokico shocks are superior to US made King 2.5's.
I’d like to get high with you sometime and share philosophy 😂 I’m camp stock soccer mom status. I’m a realist someone that understands it’s already made perfectly for what I REALISTICALLY do. If I get but so hardcore off road I ride dirt bikes so it’ll never give me that rush anyways. I’ll use the gx to take me and the bike to that place . Don’t get me wrong I dig the looks of a lot of the modded rigs but you give up too much from what I do 95%+ of the time (mpg, ride comfort 100% of the time) but hey I had a Prius for years too. Because I buy vehicles for purpose not for vanity.
Thank you for your kind words 🙏 and feedback. I pass no judgment udhement on anyone... I personally prefer function over form... that's just me... buy it to *use and enjoy* not store it and polish it... same philosophy with motorcycles too.. heck anything now that I think of it 😆 pragmatism 😃
$90k truck that doesn't even have air suspension when you need it on demand, lifting any truck in 2023 on a permanent basis is so dumb. Cybertruck cant come soon enough
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You sir, are a gentleman & a scholar. Please do a video regarding ‘YOU’. You are extremely well spoken and explain things very well. And obviously highly educated. Please keep it coming!
Agreed!
I think many of us agree on wanting to know more about you. Such a refreshing perspective 👍
Sounds like you’d be ok if he has your wife for a night
Totally agree, this thing stock can do a lot. I went on a 4 months overlanding trip with complete stock everything except adding a roof rack cause I needed an awning and extra storage. Stock tires. 44 states, 40k miles, never stuck once. Only after the trip, changed to a set of KO2s cause it’s time to change tires and Costco had a sweet deal.
wow, that's amazing!
One thing you should consider regarding the engineers: they have to achieve specific targets: EPA / marketing requirements. Especially the mileage (MPG) requirements. This alone makes them to configure the vehicle in a ‘less capable’ model and compromises have to be made. V8 is a thirsty beast. In order to achieve the mileage targets, they have to ‘kill’ the approach angle + reduce unsprung mass. This is what these cars have such big / low front bumper dressings (aero) and have tire / wheel sizes to achieve these targets. For off-road enthusiasts, we are ok to pay more for gas to regain these capabilities. As for the geometry, majority of the kits out there are designed to correct this. These are important things consider in conjunction to your excellent points.
And suggest water for oil aka 0w20
I 100% agree with what you’re saying I have a 2008 forerunner with a center locking DIF and I’ve never modified it. I’ve never ran into anything it couldn’t tackle.
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This is such an important argument. I have literally ruined vehicles I’ve owned in the past, thinking I can out engineer the engineers. Exhibit A would be my 1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. An amazing car that was engineered in Japan with features like all wheel drive, Active Suspension, Active Aero (front and rear spoilers tilt) and Active Exhaust. I found an unmolested example in 2003 with 38,000 miles. I took it to a Mitsubishi master mechanic who advised not to modify. I joined some forums and everybody told me I needed to modify it. Sadly, I needed to “add an egg”. I spent a small fortune adding Tanabe exhaust, Tein coil overs, Koenig wheels and Nittos, short throw shifter; racing clutch intakes; wires etc. By the time I was done, the car was completely different, and now I can say I ruined it. The drivability had been altered to where it was much less enjoyable in most situations.
I like to think I learned something from that experience. I’m taking possession of a perfect 2019 Lexus GX 460 with 35k miles. I am going to be extremely hesitant to do anything to it that takes away from its stock form and function. I really like the idea of not lifting this vehicle and you make great arguments why we shouldn’t. The Japanese engineers truly know what they are doing. “Relentless pursuit of perfection” seems like a slogan rooted in engineering. With the KDSS, Tokiko shocks, and the added features in the Luxury model- it seems like you are really messing with a lot of engineering when you alter with a lift, or even larger size tire.
Thanks again for the outstanding content!
Thank you 😃. I agree with what you said about "outdoing the engineers"... it never works 😆... always makes things worse no matter if it's a miata or a mack truck. Fact is engineers want to keep the rubber on the road.. ie maximum contact and thus traction.. same goal as "tuners"... once you get honest with yourself, you tend to have an amazing respect for what the engineers have done right out of the box. Not saying special racing applications can't benefit from mods but "normal use vehicles" seldom benefit and often get ruined... Will the "proud" modder admit he ruined his ride. nope...
good insight thanks for sharing
Great take. You know one thing that comes to mind that could be considered a better modification than lifting the GX is changing the front and rear bumper for better approach and departure angles. Also the factory steps get in the way all the time. Deleting those or changing them to a thinner Rock slider would give you some of the benefits that a lift would, and you'd feel the benefits. Thank you for the video
Just bought a 2018 and just found your channel. Perusing your videos, it looks like you’re covering the very topics I have questions about - so binge watching, here I come.
Thank you for watching and thank you for subscribing ❤️. If you have questions please ask and we will try to do a video 😃.
I'm new to off roading (just bought a 2018 4Runner Limited) and have been educating myself on things like safety equipment (have ordered skid plates and rock rails and bought a few recovery things), off road driving, whether I need to make modifications. There are a few topics where the conventional wisdom (it's not whether to lift but how much to lift, air down your tires to drive off road, etc.) have left me scratching my head because they didn't make intuitive sense to me. I'm glad to find the channel of an experienced off roader who can explain some of these kind of issues and make me feel like I'm not crazy.
The skid plates and rock rails were no brainers for me. I hope I'm being too conservative and never even scrape them, but I view them as insurance while I'm getting off road driving experience to minimize the chance I end up with a broken down vehicle in the middle of nowhere. The 4x4 shop I've been dealing with that is going to install the rails and plates talked about a 2.5" lift kit (Old Man Emu) - that's about $2K, then when you do that you need bigger tires and rims and that's going to be another $2K or more to replace nice rims and tires that probably have 50K miles left on them. For what benefit? I'm not even sure. But I can see what will be worse, even ignoring the $4K+ I'd spend to do it - the vehicle will have a higher center of gravity and be more dangerous in terms of rollover both off road and on road, it will be worse for towing a small trailer, it will get worse gas mileage, the tires will cost more and wear out faster, I could have unintended consequences like ongoing alignment issues or wearing out parts prematurely because I've changed the mathematics of the vehicle versus how it was designed. Your video has helped solidify my inclination to leave the vehicle alone and do nothing to the suspension until it leaks. I bought it because I have had great experience with the reliability of Toyota and Lexus vehicles, and second guessing their engineering and build decisions and spending money in search of benefits I can't even define doesn't make any sense. I'm with you, everybody should do whatever they want to do with their vehicles based on their own preferences, but I think the stock 4Runner Limited with some added safety equipment is going to be able to do just about anything I want to do with it. If I find out otherwise after driving it for a year, I'll reconsider.
Thank you fornyour kind comments. As far as offroading. Toyota engineers know what they're doing. In my opinion a lift will remove more than people think they will gain... again this is just my opinion. Yes clearance will improve, but at the expense of articulation, and stability... the GX will be more "tippy" without articulation. In stock form the body remains "level" while the wheels articulate and trace the undulations of the offroad surfaces... VERY stable..
Much of "modding" is not rooted in actual function but instead looks, Bernays, mythologies, internet folklore... and that's FINE if that's what you're into, but as far as functional improvements... skids, and chop the bumpers.. and some KO2s does wonders
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I'll look at the KO2s when it's time for new tires, but the 4Runner I bought came with Michelin LTX M/S, 245/60r20, that only have 15K or so miles on them and are probably good for another 40-50K if rotated and taken care of. It's the same tire I put on my Lexus RX 350 and have had no problems with for over 30K miles. Everything I read says the Michelins are a good off road tire and reliable, though I'm sure there are better ones probably including the KO2s.
Your videos on tire pressure were also an eye opener for me, as I was trying to figure out how airing tires down 25-30% (pretty much standard advice online) to drive them 50 miles on a dirt/gravel road made any sense. I've never done that with a Highlander or Lexus RX 350 which I have driven on plenty of lousy forest service gravel/dirt roads. It seemed to me that you'd be stressing the sidewalls and making a blowout more likely as the tires heated up. I'd think the thing to do would be to run the tires at the normal PSI and reduce your speed to where you weren't bouncing and could come to a normal stop without slamming on the brakes if you saw a rut or some jagged rocks in the road ahead of you. Drive a little slower in 3rd or 4th gear if appropriate. Based on your video on tire pressure, I'm inclined to keep the tires on the 4Runner at normal pressure off road until I have traction issues, with the possible exception of dropping down maybe 25% if I'm driving a trail that's mostly sand and that I know has some spots where you can bog down.
Best suspension video I’ve seen for the GX. Keep up the great work!
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I love the chair. Its like a psych appointment for the GX. 4x4 therapy. I just put TRD pro wheels and 268/70/17 tires on my 2013. I do not want a lift. However I do have to replace a couple bolts and modify some plastic. Im rubbing a little when turning right and while turning in reverse.
I'm so glad i found your channel when I did. I'm currently looking for a good used GX and was planning on looking at one today that has a lift kit. Because of your advice and my plans to tow an overlanding teardrop, I'll be canceling that appointment. You might've just saved me a lot of hassle. Thank you!
Check out our video on AHC if you plan to tow! It may be ideal for you 😃
That's twice now that you've helped me pick the right GX, as towing capacity is one of the main reasons I'm picking it over the 4Runner.
Great insight and logic! There is a ton of friends/community pressure to modify, agree with you this is not always necessary.
Because I bought the luxury edition, it came with 19 inch rims that are more sporty than functional in my opinion. Therefore, I had to buy smaller wheels to find all-terrain tires. Unfortunately, I could not find any when I had 19 inch rims. I too want to stay as close to stock as I can and this video help me realize to keep it as practical as you can. Plus it means more money in our pockets lol.
Just my opinion and it’s inline with what you’re saying here;
On my 2013GX. I left the factory struts in, topped them with toytec(made in USA)spacers. Factory UCAs, factory shocks in the rear with ICON progressive springs. I only really wanted the GX to be less squishy pulling my boat. By adding the ICONs I needed to level out by using the spacers. When I brought it for realignment, mechanic said. This is within spec, no need to fiddle with anything.
You start getting aggressive with the lifts, I’d say, anything over 3.5” trying to stuff 35’s in the wheel wells ..buy a jeep and hack the hell outta that instead. These GXs have been perfected to take you to the ends of the earth, just the way they are. Thanks for these vids, love that you take your chair with you! ✌🏽
@Rovingdog628 I didn’t, the comment didn’t compare anything. Maybe re read what I wrote unless you’re just talking to hear yourself talk. Then I can’t help you.
Appreciate the perspective. I’ve kept luxury 2016 stock except adding wild peaks and the plug and play dr KDSS to turn off the system above 18 mph. It makes the ride softer on washboard and rough roads. I don’t think it’ll hurt the system. Do you think it will?
I like your pov on keeping it stock and but was surprised the stock could/should handle the weight of the new bumper.
The GX is a beast. Thanks for all the content.
I'm in the same place as you in terms of philosophy on how to use and modify vehicles. The more one learns about modding suspension and drivetrain, the more one realizes that the engineers already did a pretty good job in the big picture of things. No point modifying and "adding own egg" unless there are some very particular requirements.
What are your favorite modifications you've added so far to your GX460?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD ive had mine for only a couple of weeks, so nothing other than a Kurt receiver for now. I have messed around with both a 90's Ford truck (oversized tires, aftermarket shocks, hurst shifter and a hi-ratio & performance rear diff carrier from Torsen), and a first-gen MazdaSpeed3 (short shifter, xl corksport front brakes, then spacers to fit said brakes, lol... tuen rolling the wheel wells and adding spring spacers to remedy the bottoming-out...)
bottom line is every modification is a trade-off. Engineers are better at doing that than armchair engineers/designers/architects in the carport league ))
@@freezerlunik People just don't realize how much money car companies spend on design and engineering. For example, it's famously know that Toyota spent one billion dollars in the development of the LS400 (which essentially launched the Lexus brand in America). One billion in late 1980's dollars at that. Absolutely bonkers.
That was an interesting history lesson you pointed out. I'm all about function. Looks are of no consideration for myself. You make outstanding points. And the reality is not many owners are going to take this in harsher environments than you have. I like your style of waiting until things break before modifying such as your bumper. Stock is good!! And oh boy Pilot Rock!! There were sections I would not have even taken my dual sport bike on that you made look easy. I truly believe you would have came close if not flipped your GX had it been lifted.
Thanks for the content I"m finding this channel very helpful as I start shopping for a GX460. I do have a counterpoint based on my 5th Gen 4Runner experience. Yes you have to trade some stock characteristics for a lift (less fuel efficiency mainly). Where I'd offer a different point of view is whether the aftermarket can beat stock shocks. There are several brands that offer beefier shocks and you don't have to lift the vehicle. Take a look at Icon 2.5" extended travel shocks for example. I'm all for keeping a truck stock, but do feel you can buy "better" shocks in the aftermarket that will last a long time.
Thank you for the pragmatic discussion of this topic. This video earned you another subscriber from me. I am in camp number one as well. Our 2010 with 180k+ miles has gone everywhere we've asked it to. The current limitation is the need of a snorkel. Swollen creek crossings have forced us to turn around too many times. Also, the amount of dust, mud, snow/slush that cakes the air filter due to the fender well pulled induction is getting old.
thank you for your kind comments 😃 do Prado snorkels fit the GX??
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD I am not specifically aware if all Prado snorkel offerings fit the US model GX's, and I wouldn't want to offer advice on an assumption. However, check out Dobinsons out of Florida. Their snorkel offering is the one I've had my eye on, and as it states in the product listing, it is in fact designed for all 2010+ Prado and US GX460 offerings.
The truck is a Toyota Prado. It has some similarities to the 4 Runner, but the truck in frame, suspension and engine is a Prado. In Europe they come diesel. The V8 used the US version of the Lexus Prado has the old V8 from the Mini Tundra which was around up until 2011 ish. That V8 engine, transmission is worth a Million miles. I agree with the lifting, but a 2 inch lift is needed for deeper off roading, for the average guy leave it as is and enjoy. You can put beefier tires once its time to toss out the factory ones and good enough. When you lift a truck like the GX, that Toyota built and tested, you can lose tilt articulation and can make the truck more prone to tipping over. Cheers!
true points... we've done some black diamond trails and appreciate articulation over that lifted tippy feel. A very stable feel.
Totally enjoyed the invitation into your exploratory reasoning. Reminds of a dear friend. I gotta get out there. Your sentiment to mod your mind first-makes it stick. You have a new student.
I like the way you think and enjoyed this video. I just bought a 4runner and I'm amazed at what it can get through. I'm also astonished at how bad I can fail, but I have to try stuff that is scary to get better. Anyway, nature is telling me I should have waited until my skid plates and rock sliders arrived lol. I'm trying to stay on the logging roads, but I can't help myself...Anyway, everyone is telling me I need a lift and I'm just not sure that's right based on what has given me trouble so far. I've gotten dents and scrapes, but when I got high centered, it wasn't because I needed 2", I needed at least 6" to do it the noobie straight approach, but while I was looking at my situation I noticed I could probably have approached it from an oblique angle. I might have scraped or lifted a tire, but I'd have three on the ground instead of zero to get me out lol. Skill and experience trumps equipment.
Caught a couple of your vids. People need more like this. Everything is a trade off. At the end of the day, people have to ask themselves what their purpose of use is. I find people want aesthetic mainly and aren't honest with themselves as to their actual purpose of use.
yes... many people mod for "lifestyle reasons" aka for looks... that's cool and all... but...
I love this channel. Not afraid to discus the pragmatic, while the GX next to you is absolutely lathered in earth. Well said. That bumper though, needed modding. Not lifting mine either.
Thank you for your kind words Dan 🙏 ❤️.
Good points, I agree that most people can do with a stock suspension. I don't understand why you didn't mention all of the high quality lifts which are available like fox or bilstein. Not all shocks are made in China. The 4runner (gx460 cousin) trd pro comes from the factory with a lift and fox shocks.
Lexus also offers a factory lift with Bilstein shocks.
This video is much appreciated. My wife and I are about to complete a sale on a GX460, to be our family/camping vehicle. Friends of mine are quick to say "when is the lift coming" or "haha just watch this snowball into a long-travel monster on 35s". But the reality is that yes, the vehicle will be most reliable and function correctly as it was engineered by Toyota. After watching this, I'm convinced that the money is better spent on things like Prado 150 rockers + sliders and eventually, an aftermarket front bumper to regain the approach angle that was lost with the stock Lexus spindle front fascia.
As a side note, I spent several years in college exploring abandoned mines in the CA deserts and I took my stock, stickshift Toyota Corolla to places that most GXs will never see. A majority of your success in off-road driving comes down to driver skill and the only way to get that is practice. 2WD off-roading is all about momentum and wheel placement!
Thank you for your positive comments. Indeed "lift and lockers" prattle mostly means that they don't _actually_ offroad. Also this:
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@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Thanks!! Will check this video out soon! I'm sure I can learn something new.
That “filthy dirty” grill looks really cool, like diamond studded!
As a hardcore off roader, I have a few vehicles, a 99 ram 1500 4x4 lifted 2.5 inches, a 07 wrangler Rubicon and a new owner of a 13 GX460 lifted 2.5 inches. My jeep is obviously my off road rig and is way more capable than the GX, I'm not lying to myself about it. The GX is capable but doesn't hold a candle to a Rubicon. I lifted my other vehicles because I do go to very hard to get to camping spots, the GX has a lot higher towing capacity than the wrangler that I was using to tow my off road trailer. I like the look as well but it's mainly the break over angle I'm after, I've high centered the truck even after the lift so I feel the GX would be better. That has a foamcell shock, I'm definitely not worried about a failure of a shock even if it was manufactured in China. At the end of the day, do whatever you need your vehicle to do. If you need the clearance then lift it, just know your mpgs will go down slightly but it will in fact be less likely to be high centered while off road when lifted.
I have friends that have bought brand new 4x4s, then rush it off to be lifted, fancy shocks and suspension etc, as soon as they pick it up from the dealer. What you are saying makes sense lol! Nothing they do is out of a need, or for functionality. I think most people do it to "fit in" too.
Yes... "for looks" or "lifestyle reasons" is the internal euphemism Toyota uses for this phenomenon
Toyota chose the height because it was sufficient to accommodate the stock tires, which were chosen because it was sufficient for the way 99.5% of people use them. I mean...they obviously didn't have off-road in mind when the did the bumpers and running boards.
i was going to lift mine, but I have the premium suspension, and didn't want to mess with it. I added slightly larger tires, and think for offroading, a front bumper and rock sliders are reasonable. probably the only two main mods i would do as well.
I appreciate the video. I agree there are people that feel a lift is a basic requirement for off road performance. The reality is not that clean cut at all. The reason in my mind to add anything to the suspension is multifactorial. First is weight. adding a new front bumper, which the GX does benefit from adds some weight, and if you want a winch, which I personally like to have, more weight. Also adding other gear, a roof rack, drawer system, tools, and gear adds weight. This is going to change the driving dynamics and the engineers at Toyota as good as they are cannot anticipate every situation. Tires, if you want slightly larger tires clearance can become an issue, granted on the GX the body becomes a limiting factor very quickly. Finally adding some capability with improved dampening from reputable suspension manufactures (Bilstein, icon, OME, King etc) can get you a setup that will respond better to washboards and rough terrain. Additionally having some adjustment in the shocks can help with varying amounts of weight etc. I am sure you as everyone is aware of this.
With all that said I think a lift or any suspension modifications should be last on the list, after you add all your weight, take the rig out and use it for a while. Then carefully decide if the tradeoffs you mentioned are worth while.
Just my thoughts. thanks for the insight it is nice to have someone think through the issues and not just install product x and tell me how great it is.
Very insightful.
Awesome analysis and explanation of this topic/subject.
Thank you 🙏 🤲 for your feedback and support 😃
I agree, I'm in the stock height camp as well. If off roading over huge rocks or you need to increase your approach and departure angles, perhaps you would be wise to look at lifting your rig 2-3 inches and adding larger tires for more clearance. However, you may also need to change upper and lower control arms, shocks, adding a front diff drop kit, and, in this case, modifying the KDSS system as well. My Prado does not have KDSS so I wouldn't need to modify that. I added Toyota TRD 17" wheels and 270/70/17 Falcon Wildpeak AT3 tires for about a 1/2" clearance gain. Next, I will be looking at better and more comprehensive skid plates in case I do encounter the odd rock or two. Great video, I'm liking your style and ease of explanation.
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The Buddhist approach to the GX 👌🏻. 😉An appreciate different outlook . Agree, my biggest problem is it looks so good I can’t stand to scratch it 🙄
“Chinese painted shocks”….very funny and true! Great explanation!
Excellent video. It has been hard to make the decision to delete my air suspension on my 17 Lux. I already have an excellent ride and a lift when I want.
I have the adjustable suspension as well and I love I can change the ride quality. My only complain is that the front end does not lift.
I like the application of cake mix sales psychology vs. Vehicle modders psychology. Deep! My assessment of extreme Vehicle modders (especially needless mods) usually devolves into their comfort with the size of their Johnson:) Also, it does crack me up to see a Japanese Vehicle with American Flag stickers all over it. Even if it was built in a plant here, it is a foreign vehicle manufacturer. A manufacturer that was our enemy in the last world war as well. Sarah Silverman sang it best..."Jewish people driving German Cars.... What the **** is up with that S***". And I say this as a proud America Army Vet Toyota owner! But just to piss off the American Flag Toyota guys in So Cal, I put a Japanese flag on my Yota! Keep up the good work Mr. Eckhart Tolle of the 4x4 World!
Thank you for the kind comments and your support... and yes.. we all remember the monster truck analogy you are presenting... but I think these days that's not politically correct to imply? lol... but.. ya.. that too 😆
I like the way you explain all details. Very helpful and interesting.
Great info, enjoying your videos as I approach a year of GX ownership.(No mods yet except for curt receiver, as Lexus doesn’t have any).
Thank you ❤️ and thanks for subscribing.. more to come very soon on the topic of mods that you mentioned ✌️
Oui “We” 🇫🇷 😂 -
Lucky for me- she gone
I am probably still not lifting it though. I am thinking of doing the 1/2 spacers up front for the leveled look, but not really motivated enough to buy and install them. Anyways thanks for the video.
I agree. I love to see what other people have done but I intend to keep mine stock. I was wondering if the shield on the hood helps keeping debris/rocks from trashing the hood. Where did you get it? I would put something like that on mine. since mine is green I don't think it would even be too noticeable. I like what you did with the bumper too.
Thank you.. please see our video on the OMAC bug deflector. Thank you for subscribing ✌️
Hands down best video I've watched on GX460 and 95% of other TH-cam videos. Interesting you mentioned Edward Bernays, he was a marketing genius. Amazing job keep it going!!
Pure wisdom really appreciate that thank you
Is it safe to add 1.25'' wheel spacer so I can get put on bigger tires on the 18'' rim. Is there going to be any issues with the Upper Control Arm and Lower Control Arm?
Also, just to clarify. I’m not just being a snob pulling my ‘boat’. It’s a work boat doing commercial fishing and I also run a small construction company. So my GX is doing work picking up rental equipment and sending employees to get lunch:-)everybody knows how hard your employees are in vehicles they don’t own ..just ask me why the bumper got caved in
I'm in a somewhat similar boat. I only recently got my GX and I don't feel I really want a lift. As of right now I'm bone stock. But eventually want to get a stealth bumper and get some rock sliders. What kind of clearance do you get after the bumper trim and running board replacement? Depending on the tires you could be looking at an inch extra clearance by itself.
Thanks for the vid. I have a 2021 luxury sports model with 19” rims. I would like to get some off-road tires, what you suggest? Thank you!
@@Dsano what kind of offroading will you be doing?
I wanted to believe this, but not lifting the GX and keeping the stock bumper is NOT going to work. As for aesthetic, I prefer the stock bumper and a lift.
Thank you for the video🫡
Excellent discussion. Thank you
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Great analysis of "adding an egg mentality". Think of Humpty Dumpty when trying to upstage the Toyota engineers at the Tahara Plant in Japan. Lexus did the Prado Land Cruiser right.
2 inch lift means 2 inches reduced droop travel, which is not at all helpful keeping wheels on the ground. Cv angles and castor also adversely impacted. Better quality shocks and springs to suit modified weight are definitely available though.
great points 😃
I do kot want to lift my GX, however I would like to put the biggest A/T tire that will fit with no lift.
Hey can anyone help me with my recently lifted 2017 gx. It is making a grinding sound immediately after the lift
Well put 👍🏼
Youve changed my mind, which year u think is best to get
Great video man!
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Thanks! Can I tease about the dirt on your dash? Just kidding. Looks like you really enjoy your beast.
Have you driven a lifted GX? I am thinking about it but after watching your videos I think I have more to consider. The idea of “rebuilding” shocks every 50K is not very appealing.
I was in Sedona and was reluctant to take my GX off road (the serious trails) but I still have the stock bumper and steps so clearance would have been an issue.
I will read more comments to see if I can answer my questions. Did you mention tire size. Just stock sizing?
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Have you found any fender flares for the 460?
What are your thoughts on “leveling”? I have a 2019 Toyota 4Runner Limited Nightshade.
Guys, seem like you guys are all connoisseurs of this amazing vehicle. I’m finally in the market for one, however I am undecided between a new one or used one. I have found some good deals under 50k mileage, but not sure since I also believe being the first owner of these type of machines could render beneficial as well.
Any advice will be highly welcomed.
Toyota and Lexus is top quality. You can't go wrong either way 😊
Could you give up some information about your front bumper and grill modifications. Thanks
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you saved me some money! thanks
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What tire size are you running, and does the spare fit?
stock tire size
Love this video!!! On point!!! Do you have KO2 265/60/18 AT tire size?
Thabk you for your support 🙏. Yes the KO2s are stock size 😀
Any changes on the road noise on going to All terrain tires from stock? Thank you Sir!
@@finebody14 about 15% more road noise, please watch or video review of bfg KO2S on this channel 🙏 😀
I just found out that the stock Bridgestone Dueller HTs that came on my '22 sucks big time (based on tire rack reviews). Why couldn't mine come with Michelins like yours?
What don't you like about the Bridgestones???
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Well, for now I haven't noticed much since I only had the GX for two months, however I hope it works well in snow and rain when it comes time to drive it during it.
Damned great advise!! Love your videos, but I have to ask - What's your shoe size/ Or is it just the short lens?😎
13 shoe I think and the lens is on wide setting so there is indeed some distortion
I would appreciate you input on the Base trim vs. Luxury trim with air suspension. We will be a family of 4 with a small teardrop or popup trailer, maybe hitting the max towing. Will also do mild off-roading. All in stock form probably b/c I agree with your philosophy. What are your thoughts on whether the air suspension is worth it due to the trailer, or not needed? I also like some of the luxury add-ons but there are fewer luxuries on the used market. Thanks!
If you tow, get the trim with AHC.. see this:
th-cam.com/video/PZbGj1CnXvs/w-d-xo.html
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD of course you have a video! Searched for and watched your beach sand video but didn't think about AHC. Ultimately I think it makes sense for us to get luxury trim, low mileage, and modify as we go based on our needs and interest. Can also take out the AHC but can't add AHC to base (well maybe you can but that's probably harder). Thanks!
When are you going to moab?! I'd love to see a stock, non lifted GX conquer Hell's Revenge or Fin's an things.
I'd love too 😃 ❤️ there's some videos of a few stock height GXs going up hells revenge on youtube floating around
Awesome argument
Enjoy your videos. Looking to get a GX 460 myself. Wondering if you would be interested in doing a video on the air suspension? Can not find many video’s concerning this. Except replacing it with coil springs but a vast majority is with the 470 not the 460. Anyway. Still enjoy the videos Hopefully I will soon will be able to add some practical experience to the conversation. Thanks!!
Thank you for subscribing and for your kind words. I have no personal experience with the airsprings on the GX but I could make a theoretical video on my opinion about them. Would that be helpful?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes that would be great. I really want the Mark Levinson audio. I would have to purchase used. From my research if I am to get the premium audio the adjustable suspension is included
@Chad Monroe Hi Chad, we made a video answering your question, please stay tuned.. it is a scheduled release. thank you
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD great thanks. Looking forward to seeing it
Hi sir, what do you think about STRUT MOUNT SPACER LIFT LEVELING KIT for GX460
personally, I do not see the need for a lift... it ruins the geometry... but that is purley an opinion... if you like the idea of a lift, go for it! 😃 ❤️
So if not lifted but put KO2 tires, it’s not gonna hurt the shocks and underneath?
The shocks are good 😃
I'm on the fence about TDR 17" wheels with 265 70/17s
go for it!
🤣😂🤣 some people want more capabilities then stock since they hit the limit of the stock suspension and ground clearance. Other people don't wheel at all hence they keep it stock. End of story.
great video subbed
The GX is not KYB shocks? I thought they are KYB as told by a Toyota mechanic.
Our 2021 says Tokico on them... but KYB is excellent too! 👌 👏
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD mine could be Tokico too, I'll have to check, that'd be a good thing to learn!
@@ejshelby5460 please check and let us know 🙏
2010 premium model here. Kyb is stock.
Well Toyota dealers are selling lift kit,s for Toyota Tacoma’s now with warranty:
The Gx460 still have the same stupid drivetrain issues the Prados have, overheating, locking/unlocking on extended grades, not enough valve body pressure, gear hunt. they're fixes for all the issues(out of Aus) but it'd be nice if Toyota would just make some small changes to fix those instead of ignoring them for all these years. Hopefully you never see conditions that bring thing issues up but if you do, you'll probably be annoyed enough to "fix" them. Toyota is aware but has chosen to do nothing instead of making those small changes.
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Which tires do you have on it? I assume you still have the stock rims?
BFG Ko2, stock size. Thank you for subscribing 🙏 🤲
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Gotcha, when I need to change the tires, I'm getting something similar or maybe even though. I'm going to upgrade mine piece mill as I go along.
What tires did you put on yours?
BFG ko2s
Lt265/60r18 ko2 tire?
yes stock size
i meant did you use stock size KO2s?
yes stock size 265/60/18 😃
Reasonable expectations? I live in Ouray, CO in the summer. We have miles of high alpine 4x4 trails from mild to wild.
A friend who is an experienced 4x4 showed up with his new stock 4Runner trail model.
He drove Black Bear pass trail. The vehicle tested it's skid plates several times.
My lifted GX has no such affliction.
8" ground clearance is fine on a two door Wrangler. A longer wheel base then the ground clearance becomes an big issue.
A funny thing happened on my GX. The air ride was removed. The vehicle was lifted 3" with KO2 tires.
On cross country trips the GX has a much better ride. The MPG did not suffer.
None of the mods were for looks.
In general you are right in the details you are misleading. The stock is fantastic for most conditions not for all. It depends on your use. Yes there are people that do it just for looks and that is their choice but do not lump all people in the same general category. There are many suspension systems for a particular use that are superior and not made in China . EMU Old man suspension made in Australia being a n example and superior to the Japenese shocks in every way from an engineering stand point. Trade off yes but the question are they worthwhile in turns of use. I own one and do not plan any modifications but to be fair you did come off judgemental. Otherwise you make great educational videos and keep them coming.
I told my two teenage daughters to never date a man with a lifted truck.
You sir are a real man! (and dad!) ❤️ dunno why I prefer small engines and tiny cars but I'm sure you understand 😆
I feel I should sell my gx460 base for a new one with air suspension.
why do you feel this way? 😕
More things to worry about
Unless you plan to tow regularly, I don't think it would be worth it
As an owner of a Premium GX460, who also considered the Luxury trim, my decision came down to: It’s only on the rear suspension, there is the expensive chance it would need repair, and I heard stories about the “lean” where it would drop unevenly and give the vehicle a lean.
Tell us about you. What is your name? Background & most the tattoos! 😁
Like+ for your demonestration!
Nice channel.. 👌
Add me to the psychological egg category
you must be an engineer
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Explain the bumper
Check the channel for videos on the bumper... thank you ❤️
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Sorry. I am a subscriber and usually really like your videos but I think you are at least incomplete if not completely off base here. If I follow your breakdown of GX users there IS a 4th camp: those that wish to drive offroad in higher risk situations and who want confidence that their rig will survive. And based on your other videos about skid plates, I assume that you have been forced into lines where you seriously scraped your front or rear diff on at least one occasion. It is not made for that ;). The solution(s) are 1) increase ground clearance (which you seem to oppose) and 2) increase protection (which you do not). Ground clearance = tire diameter. Suffice it to say I could not even get past the "gatekeeper" obstacle on Broken Arrow, which is one of the most scenic trails here in AZ, and only a "moderate" level 3 on the easiest lines, if I didn't have at least 33" tires (I tried!!). And I couldn't clear my 33" BFG KO2's without at least a 2" lift on my 2008 GX470 (plus other minor mods). And if you want another inch of clearance, then 35" tires absolutely require a lift and other mods as well. My understanding is that the clearance issues are exactly the same on the GX460 - if not worse. And, since I am a paranoid engineer who designs & builds automotive safety sensors, I have also replaced the plastic side steps with rock sliders that actually protect the door frames, and (like you) added skid plates that protect all the stuff that Toyota engineers never expected to get banged repeatedly. Both have battle scars & I DO NOT drive aggressively. I am not about rock crawling - I just want to get safely to the destination without damaging my ride. This is not about "adding an egg" to personalize my ride - although it is nice to not be EXACTLY like the other 4 bazillion white GX's & 4Runners on the road. And I bet many of your viewers are the same. So there is a 4th group. And given that you added skid plates to your GX, you're in it too! :)
This criticism aside, I really appreciate some of your other videos. Your analysis and video on ATRAC was, frankly, brilliant. And has forced me to seriously reconsider if I really need the expense and complexity of lockers. So thanks. I do appreciate your content and willingness to think outside the box.
There are videos on TH-cam of stock 4runners without any lift doing the Broken Arrow Sedona trail including the gatekeeper... no lift needed 😊
You made several good points, but not all lift kits are chinese garbage. Good kits are upwards of $4k, but you cannot tell me that Tokico shocks are superior to US made King 2.5's.
I’d like to get high with you sometime and share philosophy 😂 I’m camp stock soccer mom status. I’m a realist someone that understands it’s already made perfectly for what I REALISTICALLY do. If I get but so hardcore off road I ride dirt bikes so it’ll never give me that rush anyways. I’ll use the gx to take me and the bike to that place . Don’t get me wrong I dig the looks of a lot of the modded rigs but you give up too much from what I do 95%+ of the time (mpg, ride comfort 100% of the time) but hey I had a Prius for years too. Because I buy vehicles for purpose not for vanity.
Thank you for your kind words 🙏 and feedback. I pass no judgment udhement on anyone... I personally prefer function over form... that's just me... buy it to *use and enjoy* not store it and polish it... same philosophy with motorcycles too.. heck anything now that I think of it 😆 pragmatism 😃
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD real recognizes real!
$90k truck that doesn't even have air suspension when you need it on demand, lifting any truck in 2023 on a permanent basis is so dumb. Cybertruck cant come soon enough