"In many cities across Asia, there's simply not enough room for a desk and a PC in the small apartments people live in." This is only partially correct, there is another bigger factor though, and that is the stigmatization of video games in countries like China, Korea and sometimes Japan. Many Chinese and Korean youths actually go to internet cafes in secrecy and lie to their parents in fear of being stigmatized as a 'disgusting lazy nerd'. Tiger parenting is a real thing in Asia, and hundreds of thousands of Asian youths commit suicide every year because of this pressure. It's unfortunate right now to be a gamer in Asia, but I think it will change in the future, whether in 10 years or in 100 years.
The shift is happening faster than we think, when I was in Korea a few years back, I met tons of kids who had the opposite problem. Parents who see or understand the eSports boom and are pressuring their kids to do well in games AS WELL as school now >< It's slowly happening now in China too apparently. And I think Peons point holds truer for SEA than as I like to call it Asia Major.
I mean what is there to be honest about. Any normal person no living with their parents knows why those videos are made. It's just all them frustrated kids having problem with it for some reason.
@@boredfangerrude Not sure what you mean and what do you refer to by saying not true at all. I mean, I know what's going on with those videos, what is not true about it?
I never had a problem with sponsors honestly, you can always skip them and it means more money for your fave creators. You'd be dumb not to take them honestly, anyone who knows about what goes into each video wont have a problem with them at all Craig I can promise you
it depends on the creator, some creators like Peon are upfront and honest, some TH-camrs will get into a shit flinging with their audience when called out
Yeah Peon you're the only creator I've seen who feels bad about having sponsorships. Its literally just something all creators who want to live off their channel HAVE to do. Adsense just doesn't pay most peoples bills anymore. You have bills, you need food, like anyone who argues you shouldn't do sponsorships is just an unrealistic asshole so ignore them like all the other trolls. Theres zero reason to feel bad about needing money to live when almost every society is capitalist. Like its in the name of the economic type: capital...you need capital...stop feeling bad about sponsors lol. I think when creators apologize for something normal (like having sponsors) they don't realize they're perpetuating the stigma themselves & making it worse. Dont cowtow & apologize to wrong assholes unless you want them to think they're right & there's a reason to apologize, which there isn't a reason to apologize.
@@cheekyfantasy1314 ignore people who are being obviously unreasonable. They won't be ok with it no matter what. Also how can someone be dishonest about a sponsorship...? As long as you say it is in fact sponsored, there's no deception. Might people FEEL that it's somehow deceptive? Idk I guess. Are they 1000% wrong? Yes.
I love this video, because not everyone understands how important advertising is for Content Creators who focus on the Gaming Genre. I figured that AFK Arena was paying you well for making a video just to advertise for them, and I know for a fact that I (as well as a lot of your viewer base) would have done the same thing with an offer like that. I hope viewers take the important, educational side of this video to heart. You're doing great.
I disagree... this is a slippery slope he will only learn later in life... wait for the "I should never have done that" vid come up some years in future...Unless he turns completely to the dark side
@Der Richtige Arzt So let me put you in perspective, if in your work your boss is looking for someone to do a job for him, nobody wants to do it, something disgusting but not ilegal, but it paids you well enought to get something you want ( Car ) Would you accept it? or no? In my case, I will do it, even more if it doesn't take long but not so frequently ( Literally Describing how is doing a ad for something )
"Enough money to buy a brand new car.." Honestly I knew that video was all marketing, and felt kinda off when I was watching it. However I don't blame you at all, I probably would have done the same thing, and I'm glad you addressed it here. Love the videos.
As someone who has played AFK Arena since its launch, I lost a lot of respect over how disingenuous the sponsored video was, but after hearing what you said in this video I have even more respect for you than before. I am happy you read the responses, were open-minded, and actually gave it a shot afterward. It's a fantastic game.
funny thing is, this has been a infinitly better ad for AFK Arena then the one you uploaded because of the Sponsorship. And yet i guess you will probably earn 10% of what they gave you for the Bad one.
Its because its a genuine review. His other was so pre-canned because they just paid him to read a script. Its weird because most other games just pay to get an honest review because its so obvious to tell when a review is fake, mobile don't give a shit apparently
@@uriarte411 Yeah, but a new card for a few min of ad. Honestly, it just makes sense. Same thing used to happend with Raid:Shadow legends. Their sponsorship was super scripted, until I guess someone from the company actually read a comment on their ads and realize that letting youtubers keep their personal trade mark on their ads was better than to have canned ad. Hell, Internet Historian ADs are the only RSL ads I've ever seen, and they are hilarious.
Interesting interview with a BD whale. He said in his "Asian community" spending more money than the next guy is a status thing. Like having a high end car or home.
Ahh yes, in Korea and China it's part of social status and is being a whale isn't looked down upon, I think this is due to the work culture and people not having much time for gaming too
I have the same "pick up and play until the progress reaches a 'your blocked until you pay' point" then move on to a new game philosophy you do. Its pretty great
My problem personally is the fact that I really just refuse to play games that look honestly not that good so I eventually run out of games to play, end up returning to old games to stare at paywalls :P But I guess this is just a mobile only issue
It's funny your honest opinion on AFK Arena, talking about the prices of the shop etc. makes me more interested in actually trying it out than the sponsor video.
it's actually quite fun to play as a mobile game. it's not the kind of game you would play like a pc game lol. log in, get your stuff done for about an hour or so and then log in 8 hours later lol.
Craig the smallest majority are usually the loudest I'd say don't listen to them, the same people that give you grief wouldn't understand how much money, time and effort that goes into being a full time content creator. Put adds on your videos to put food on the table, diversify what games you cover to keep motivated & take care of yourself physically and mentally. Your video on your mental health and journey was really inspiring to me having gone through similar things myself and I hope you do more in the future, stay positive bro.
Going back to Wow for Shadowlands after so many years not playing, I see "Lazy Peons" everywhere during horde questing and can't help but think of you! Love your videos and the progress you've made over the years both on and off TH-cam. Cheers!
Its really depend on your area and needs as for my family $4000 a month is very very below average when you taking care of a house and family. Much respect to peon for your honesty and transparency.
For USA it's a very low income, for UK/Germany it's average, for other lower economy countries in EU it's pretty insane. Like in Serbia (where I'm from) if you'd earn that much, you'd be living EXTREMELLY well. But since Peon is from UK, where most people make 2000pounds per month, you can see how it's not that big of a deal. I understand completely why he would want to earn a bit more, especially in these times.
Being a korean, I can say for sure that most people have a pc to at least play league of legends spec wise. And honestly can enjoy most mmorpgs. There is a bigger audience that enjoys pc games like lostark, bdo and ect. However, the reason companies like nexon only makes mobile games is because the 1% of players who spends money on those mobile games actually are a more reliable source of income and they use A LOT of money. People who worked in those companies said that they depend on those whales to generate income because the other 99% of players spending is just not comparable
In the past I've been very vocal about you placing ads in the videos and now, with this explanation, I understand much better how the system works and why you had to do so. So, no sweat man, I've been around since the (really) old days and me and the others who have been here since then... we ain't going anywhere. Your content is great. Keep moving on.
The idea of companion apps for MMOs definitely works. Even the incredibly basic one that WoW has for its mission tables is very handy since it saves you from having to log into the game and go to the relevant place for them. It could be cool to see an expansion of that idea.
@@TitusAzzurro I just googled the average cost of a New car, and it said 36k🤷♂️ again the 15k Would only Help my point in Saying that I dont believe he got 80k, like OP says
9:25 I remember playing the mobile wizard 101 games, which were just the pc version’s arcade games. You could win rewards that would go directly in game.
It's great to see your honest opinion on those things. And whilst I think people can sell out over time I understand the need to get paid. Your video about afk arena shocked me but I saw Rhykker (a D3 content creator) doing the same and realized it had to pay good. Fired it up, went to the toilet and you got your view and it didn't do me no harm. I rather see an ad on every video than not see content from people like you so keep on doing what you do.
@@drzado5763 no you do not, the games about "AFK" meaning if u can't pass something, u just need to keep getting rewards via afking. paying is you're option
I fully support you taking sponsors and covering mobile MMORPG games! (even though I believe most of them suck) I'm starting two channels myself related to a more creativity-based niche, but I'm doing so with the aim of making it part of my income. Anyone who comes here and watches content on TH-cam, expecting zero sponsors, zero ads, etc. are just being naïve and selfish. I would tell those people to sit down and learn to make high-quality videos and see how much work it is. Learn video editing software, graphic design software, buy and learn the equipment needed and how much time this all takes to do and THEN tell me that content creators shouldn't be looking to monetize. Be glad you don't *have* to pay a subscription for this stuff. Go for it Peon. We have to make a living and we can't worry about the never-ending complainers.
It would be hypocrisy to be annoyed for content creators to run ads. I stumbled upon your stream not long ago and love it. I am happy that you have sponsors and you can make money to continue making videos like this.
Dude, Peon, you're living the dream of being a self employed game reviewer and giving us great content; make all the money from ads you want, it's how the world works my bro. We're all in on it ;)
Glad you stuck with AFK Arena despite all the hate you got. The game is legit great, and the devs are very responsive to feedback. I’m at chapter 32 with just 20$ spent, which didn’t help that much.
i hate when ppl say "you betrayed your audience with this sponsor" or "i'm disapointed" ... bruh its a fucking sponsor. Let the man get his money. your life isnt gonna change a bit and i'm sure in that day when he posted the afk arena video, more than half of the ppl complaining forgot about the video in the same day.
Daaaaaaamn I’ve honestly not seen any of the TH-camrs that I watch be this transparent when it comes to ads and all that jazz. Wow thank you for being so honest, you so transparent you practically a ghost. You’ve always been one of my favorite TH-camrs. Wow
I don't mind those ads you put to your videos you gotta earn your keep at some point as long as you keep up the good work it's your right to earn some. love you!
Your input on mobile advertisements was very informing and I loved your honesty. It actually puts these ads in perspective and makes me more favourable to TH-camrs who use them - I no longer feel negative towards TH-camrs who do them. Thank you!
Mad respect to you for just keeping it 100 and mentioning the money aspect of all the sponsorship. Nothing wrong with being paid to create content, we're all just trying to make our way in life after all 😊
These sponsorships have never bothered me but your transparency about the process really helps us understand and make informed decisions not only about your reviews but your ads. You are a creator with integrity and I love your content. Here's to many more lucrative sponsorships, you deserve them!! 👍
Honestly your footage and Dragon Raja ads made me want to download it, if only for the interesting house/decorating and social systems in that game. Keep doing sponsors dude, as long as you're transparent it's all good.
For me the best one will alway be Dofus Touch, which is a turn based MMORPG with classes and player driven economy. It's mostly played by French I think but there is a ton of depth in the combat The cash shop isn't p2w because it's using a subscription (that you can really easily buy with in game cash after a couple of weeks of play). It's a bit hard to progress when playing 100% solo but there is still a ton of things to do either as a casual or a hardcore player
I love the honesty in this video, this is why I don't care that you take sponsorships, you enjoy that money I just skip over it, I don't care to hate and complain I simply click the video to watch the video, not write a hate thread. You did get me into AFK arena though with that video... Smh my head
Here is an idea for a game from a book i am writing. MMORPG with lots of PVE and PVP, different classes and loads of class customization. A completely free game with absolute no P2W or convenience items. No EXP potions, no crafting bonuses, none of that. However, it would have three monetization options each with different return-on-investment rates: 1) Low investment - Low return rate. Players in game would be able to build their houses, their guild halls and even castles. These buildings would have basic decorations, but more advanced decorations would cost real money. Players in game could buy an ingame-mini-game (more on that later) and design their own decorations. Other players would be able to buy a decoration you designed and thus a small part of money they spend would be granted to you (preferably premium currency over real money, but hey, making real money wouldn't be that bad). This would mean that players would generate decorations and players would buy decoration, and the company would just take its cut from money transaction; 2) Medium investment - medium return rate. A company itself would design cosmetic items for alternative skill cinematics (example: instead or raising zombies you will raise mummies; example: instead of shooting blue lightning you will shoot red lightning; example: instead of transforming into a bear you will transform into tiger). Like Path of Exile, this would offer only cosmetic effects to players, but it could generate a bit of income; 3) High investment - high return. Main source of income would be inhame-mini-games. These mini games would be completely optional and wouldn't affect your MMORPG play, but they would offer loads of alternative fun. Here are few examples: A mini racing games A mini shooter game A mini card game A mini decoration creating game An alternative mini racing game Etc. With this typo of monetization it would be easy to produce at least a single mini game every two months and generate revenue to maintain whole game itself. But most importantly, it would offer loads of alternative activities within the game for player who get tired/bored of plain pvp/pve: just pay 5$ to unlock this cart-racing mini game and watch your character blaze across a dirt road whne racing against other players.
I did understand Lazypeon Sponsor never did understand the hate I will still support Lazypeon since 2017 I found his channel He will have a honest opinion on the game his play the rest is up too you if his bad or good
I still gave a thumbs up to your AFK Arena video to make sure monetization hit for it. There's no way in hell I'm EVER going to play that crap, but if I can squeeze money out of them to get it to you, why not?
I was one of the only positive comments on that AFK Arena ad video. I'm just happy you get to earn money for that short video because yes youtube ad revenue sucks. Glad you making money moves Much love
Really enjoyed the insight into sponsorship money and such, pretty enlightening. Cheers for the honesty Peon, and don't worry much about sponsored ads, we all skip that shit anyways, so earn the dollar while you can! :)
I would love cross plat balance like this, such as hearthstone in the WoW inns or something, fishing would be cool but the warboard mini missions from wod-bfa
I would also like to say that I love the cross-platform concept you mentioned toward the end of the video. I've been wanting features like this in every MMORPG I play. Being able to do crafting and gathering in a scaled-down companion app would be freakin amazing!
I'm at a point in my life where eventhough my pc can run most modern games, I'm too tired from work that I just want to be entertained. Games - even mobile games- that I play now don't require much effort to play. I love my time with WoW back then and have always craved to get that feeling back. Genshin did that for me initially, but even that became too much for me. So casual mobile games have been good to me. Mostly. I'm kinda glad that it's around.
Same here, ever since I started working after graduation I just find myself no longer have as much time as before on PC gaming and slowly shifting to mobile. I still play PC games, just nowhere near as often as before.
Check out Shadow, it is a streaming PC you can play any game you own on basically the highest settings on basically any device for an affordable fee as long as you have decent internet. Can use it for any PC applications as well. Tech like this will likely drive the cost of high end PCs in the future. What a time we live in.
the pc to mobile idea is great, the dreamcast video memory unit actually did this with skies of arcadia! was fun to sneak in a mini game at school way back when, then the battery would die in about a half hour lol.
I don't see a problem with sponsors. Most people including me already use adblock to not see ads, and sponsor block to not see sponsors, so in the end, it does not affect most people at all. Make bank while you can.
We need more people like you who can express some honest opinions. Love the video, hope more companies will get back to making good quality games instead of milking people with bad mobile games.
So many games are missing out on the mobile game option to their already existing game. There are so many titles that I'd play a ton if they had mobile options to help my progression. It would never replace the PC version but being able to still continue your progress while away from your computer is extremely appealing.
It seems like yesterday that the best game I could play on my phone was snake. Whether or not you like mobile MMOs, it's damn impressive that we could put that into a phone.
Check out Legends of Idleon made by one person and it isn't pay to win. It's actually free and plays a lot like Maplestory. You can put down 20 dollars and it will instantly give you enough gems for end-game but you don't really need it since you can also earn gems inside the arena.
I think a companion app for an MMorpg can be very convenient for people who don't have as much time to sit down for hours at a time to play. The way I'd think about is giving access to resource management if you have some sort of worker/expedition system that can help those players still obtain some sort of gains/progression with the limited time they have. Perhaps little minigames/puzzles (both main and mobile) can be a part of limited time events to give them additional things to play without being totally left behind. That being said if sponsorships allow you to have a better life Peon it's fine by me. I believe in your integrity and the integrity of your channel having been following you for a few years.
I love lazy peon's details and opinions towards games I had feeling the afk arena would Be a marketing video hehe but still if possible I would love to see list of wuxia or cultivation mobile games or idle RPG mobile games that could be Rly cool as many aren't detailed or opinionated enough
Wow, great insights and the heartfelt honesty that we have come to expect. The big money from mobile sponsors comes from somewhere. You provided useful context into where and why. Thanks LP.
100% agree your points, from a Chinese game developer and publisher, like the points "Asia countries like China and Korea usually players don't have a desk and room for PC or console so turn to mobile games mostly" , "More developers in Asia are doing PC or console now just for less competitive market".
I've been asking for a mobile companion app for GW2 for a while now, crafting can take HOURS when you are deep in the game, and it would be nice to be able to have it running on my phone instead of my PC eating up power when I have to craft throughout the whole night.
For me honestly, I like Mobile games that lets you crossplay between platforms or almost resembles the PC version like Wild Rift or Call of Duty. If they keep doing that in the future then I might actually like mobile gaming, as long as they don't fuck it up with P2W mechanics.
Get that paper Peon, you've earned it! Anyone who complains about your sponsors has no idea how TH-cam, a business or probably the world works. Good that you explained!
Not sure if you've ever come across the title -and to be fair, it's not an MMORPG - but I'm wondering what your thoughts would be for the game "Exiled Kingdoms" It's the best game I've ever played on mobile. It's also a one-time payment for the full game, which was created by one guy. There's no multiplayer, but the vibrant community (with its dedicated Wiki page) makes the game even more engaging.
I got a basic solar set up so I actually use mobile since it allows my solar powered battery to have a higher input than I'm outputting to charge my phone lol. The only three games I mainly play on mobile (since I ran out of internal storage for anything extra) is BanG! Dream, OSRS, and Terraria. Things like the Tap Strap 2 and the NexDock/PhoneBook also exists if I want to ignore the touch screens entirely. The third reason being is that laptops annoy me with how awkwardly low their battery endurance is. I'm currently looking into getting a LG V60 which basically lasts nearly 2 days with heavy use since I prioritize portability with high battery life. Though when I do get a higher powered solar set up, 100% I'd go back to PC. At least when I'm at home. The commute to and from the ladder is pretty lengthy 😅 Might save up for a GPD Win Max but until then, looks like I'm going mobile for awhile.
I understand the need for the sponsorships. Even if I don't like the games, I don't blame you for taking them given the payout. I'll gladly take those if it means you can keep making great videos!
TIL Albion Online's Android port has a Google Play client in beta which is really easy to participate. Until now you had to download the apk from the official site for every small update. And the UI used to be the same as the PC UI but they already changed that. I recommend this one. Btw it's cross-platform
I'm long time sub, big fan of ur content, and I literally just bought a s20 for gaming you couldn't have had better timing. Would you do a review on any of these updated (black desert mobile, villagers and heroes, toram, adventure quest 3d, avabel.?
Love you, Peon, you've always made great content, always have thought-out opinions on games, and you strike the perfect balance between entertaining youtube content while also being a significant general news and information source for MMOs up and coming and current (though I still watch whatever you play!). Keep up the good work, and if it were up to us TH-cam alone would pay you what you're worth, but we all know how that goes.
Bro get as much ad money as you can. The content you make is awesome and anything that helps that along and helps you do what you enjoy is no problem. Love the vids
LazyPeon, you should play Identity V and Sky: Children of the Light. You can be completely F2P for both games and don't have to spend money at all to enjoy the full experience. And not to mention that both games are extremely fun (IDV is more competitive while Sky is more casual and calming) and have cute graphics.
Also a huge point for mobile gaming to be so popular in the asia country is partly due to the long commute time and how busy their life could be. Sometimes after work, no one would want to turn on their PC and to boot up the game to play if they have the option to just flip out their phone and game on it. Commute time in asia countries can take up a majority portion of the day too and while commuting, their only entertainment is their phone.
"In many cities across Asia, there's simply not enough room for a desk and a PC in the small apartments people live in."
This is only partially correct, there is another bigger factor though, and that is the stigmatization of video games in countries like China, Korea and sometimes Japan. Many Chinese and Korean youths actually go to internet cafes in secrecy and lie to their parents in fear of being stigmatized as a 'disgusting lazy nerd'. Tiger parenting is a real thing in Asia, and hundreds of thousands of Asian youths commit suicide every year because of this pressure. It's unfortunate right now to be a gamer in Asia, but I think it will change in the future, whether in 10 years or in 100 years.
That's a great point
You should have mentioned that LazyPeon!
Interesting to know that there's such a stigma, when Chinese, and especially Koreans, have a deep gaming culture.
Hundreds of thousands of youths per year commit suicide?
Isn't that a bit on the extreme? :P
The shift is happening faster than we think, when I was in Korea a few years back, I met tons of kids who had the opposite problem. Parents who see or understand the eSports boom and are pressuring their kids to do well in games AS WELL as school now >< It's slowly happening now in China too apparently. And I think Peons point holds truer for SEA than as I like to call it Asia Major.
Thank you for being so honest about the mobile games ads.
I mean what is there to be honest about. Any normal person no living with their parents knows why those videos are made. It's just all them frustrated kids having problem with it for some reason.
@@Tnargav Not true at all and many YT would never come out to admit any of this because it could make them look bad. I.e dishonest.
@@boredfangerrude Not sure what you mean and what do you refer to by saying not true at all.
I mean, I know what's going on with those videos, what is not true about it?
@@Tnargav You assume that every adult knows but that isn't true, you knowing and thus equating it to every adult knowing is a fallacy.
@@boredfangerrude I didn't say an adult but a normal person. Don't strawman while you're at it.
I never had a problem with sponsors honestly, you can always skip them and it means more money for your fave creators. You'd be dumb not to take them honestly, anyone who knows about what goes into each video wont have a problem with them at all Craig I can promise you
it depends on the creator, some creators like Peon are upfront and honest, some TH-camrs will get into a shit flinging with their audience when called out
@@cheekyfantasy1314 viewers shouldn’t be flinging shit. There should simply be an understanding.
@@Riomasa technically yes but statistically no
Yeah Peon you're the only creator I've seen who feels bad about having sponsorships. Its literally just something all creators who want to live off their channel HAVE to do. Adsense just doesn't pay most peoples bills anymore. You have bills, you need food, like anyone who argues you shouldn't do sponsorships is just an unrealistic asshole so ignore them like all the other trolls. Theres zero reason to feel bad about needing money to live when almost every society is capitalist. Like its in the name of the economic type: capital...you need capital...stop feeling bad about sponsors lol. I think when creators apologize for something normal (like having sponsors) they don't realize they're perpetuating the stigma themselves & making it worse. Dont cowtow & apologize to wrong assholes unless you want them to think they're right & there's a reason to apologize, which there isn't a reason to apologize.
@@cheekyfantasy1314 ignore people who are being obviously unreasonable. They won't be ok with it no matter what. Also how can someone be dishonest about a sponsorship...? As long as you say it is in fact sponsored, there's no deception. Might people FEEL that it's somehow deceptive? Idk I guess. Are they 1000% wrong? Yes.
I love this video, because not everyone understands how important advertising is for Content Creators who focus on the Gaming Genre. I figured that AFK Arena was paying you well for making a video just to advertise for them, and I know for a fact that I (as well as a lot of your viewer base) would have done the same thing with an offer like that.
I hope viewers take the important, educational side of this video to heart. You're doing great.
I disagree... this is a slippery slope he will only learn later in life... wait for the "I should never have done that" vid come up some years in future...Unless he turns completely to the dark side
@@srenskydsgaard care to elaborate more? i actually in the mood for more information with the Great 'Rona is around....
@@srenskydsgaard LMAO "later in life", you're probably like 14.
@Der Richtige Arzt So let me put you in perspective, if in your work your boss is looking for someone to do a job for him, nobody wants to do it, something disgusting but not ilegal, but it paids you well enought to get something you want ( Car ) Would you accept it? or no?
In my case, I will do it, even more if it doesn't take long
but not so frequently ( Literally Describing how is doing a ad for something )
@@TheHawk425 im 38 and seen my fair share allready so whats your point?
Gotta respect you addressing that mobile games ad, Always respected you for your honest opinion and I glad to see you sticking to it!
Guardian Tales is actually really fun because of its extremely generous/supportive/receptive dev team and intelligent gameplay.
"Enough money to buy a brand new car.." Honestly I knew that video was all marketing, and felt kinda off when I was watching it. However I don't blame you at all, I probably would have done the same thing, and I'm glad you addressed it here. Love the videos.
Gacha aside Genshin running on mobile is pretty crazy and I believe it's crossplay
Arknights in ps4, do it.
@Helmet we still need gray raven to be released in pc and mobile tho.
Once it released genshin will have a great competitor.
If only they would fix the having to redownload the entire game whenever there's an update
@@ILoveGrilledCheese You don't need to redownload the entire thing, only the update.
@@ILoveGrilledCheese same problem i had and cuz of that now am unable to play it
As someone who has played AFK Arena since its launch, I lost a lot of respect over how disingenuous the sponsored video was, but after hearing what you said in this video I have even more respect for you than before. I am happy you read the responses, were open-minded, and actually gave it a shot afterward. It's a fantastic game.
funny thing is, this has been a infinitly better ad for AFK Arena then the one you uploaded because of the Sponsorship. And yet i guess you will probably earn 10% of what they gave you for the Bad one.
Its because its a genuine review. His other was so pre-canned because they just paid him to read a script. Its weird because most other games just pay to get an honest review because its so obvious to tell when a review is fake, mobile don't give a shit apparently
Plot twist: this whole video was an elaborate ad for afk arena
@@uriarte411 Yeah, but a new card for a few min of ad. Honestly, it just makes sense. Same thing used to happend with Raid:Shadow legends. Their sponsorship was super scripted, until I guess someone from the company actually read a comment on their ads and realize that letting youtubers keep their personal trade mark on their ads was better than to have canned ad. Hell, Internet Historian ADs are the only RSL ads I've ever seen, and they are hilarious.
@@LuisSoto-fw3if I agree, it makes way more sense for him to do it. I'm saying from their perspective its dumb
You're not wrong. As someone who has ignored shitty AFK Arena ads for months, this actually got me to try it today.
We understand Peon, sponsors are necessary these days but I wish they wouldn't make their "scripts" so damn cringe...
Yeah, it's understandable but just put a disclaimer that it's an ad and the ad should about the game not about some fake personal experience with it
Interesting interview with a BD whale. He said in his "Asian community" spending more money than the next guy is a status thing. Like having a high end car or home.
Ahh yes, in Korea and China it's part of social status and is being a whale isn't looked down upon, I think this is due to the work culture and people not having much time for gaming too
@@TheLazyPeon You're exactly right brother it's a culture thing. In the West we want everything for 60 bucks in one package.
@@TheLazyPeon yeah, and having a whale is pretty much win win from poor and rich. Im not poor but i sold my 1 month archeage sea acc for 200usd
Yes that is totally true especially in Korea and China.
OwO
I have the same "pick up and play until the progress reaches a 'your blocked until you pay' point" then move on to a new game philosophy you do. Its pretty great
My problem personally is the fact that I really just refuse to play games that look honestly not that good so I eventually run out of games to play, end up returning to old games to stare at paywalls :P But I guess this is just a mobile only issue
That mobile ad talk puts a lot of things into perspective
Paid him enough to buy a brand new car. That is nuts.
It's funny your honest opinion on AFK Arena, talking about the prices of the shop etc. makes me more interested in actually trying it out than the sponsor video.
it's actually quite fun to play as a mobile game. it's not the kind of game you would play like a pc game lol. log in, get your stuff done for about an hour or so and then log in 8 hours later lol.
Craig the smallest majority are usually the loudest I'd say don't listen to them, the same people that give you grief wouldn't understand how much money, time and effort that goes into being a full time content creator.
Put adds on your videos to put food on the table, diversify what games you cover to keep motivated & take care of yourself physically and mentally. Your video on your mental health and journey was really inspiring to me having gone through similar things myself and I hope you do more in the future, stay positive bro.
Going back to Wow for Shadowlands after so many years not playing, I see "Lazy Peons" everywhere during horde questing and can't help but think of you!
Love your videos and the progress you've made over the years both on and off TH-cam. Cheers!
Imagine describing 4000$ per month as an “average” income. That’s actually a pretty decent income. 52000$ per year. 1000$ per week
It depends on where you live, i think in some countries it's average
Its really depend on your area and needs as for my family $4000 a month is very very below average when you taking care of a house and family. Much respect to peon for your honesty and transparency.
@@fanatiiqshinobi5737 Bro you'll be the new rich neighbor with $4000 a month in southeast Asia country excluding singapore
For USA it's a very low income, for UK/Germany it's average, for other lower economy countries in EU it's pretty insane. Like in Serbia (where I'm from) if you'd earn that much, you'd be living EXTREMELLY well. But since Peon is from UK, where most people make 2000pounds per month, you can see how it's not that big of a deal. I understand completely why he would want to earn a bit more, especially in these times.
This is such a good explanation and with some actual numbers!
Thanks for the honesty! I will be checking some of these games out!
Being a korean, I can say for sure that most people have a pc to at least play league of legends spec wise. And honestly can enjoy most mmorpgs. There is a bigger audience that enjoys pc games like lostark, bdo and ect. However, the reason companies like nexon only makes mobile games is because the 1% of players who spends money on those mobile games actually are a more reliable source of income and they use A LOT of money. People who worked in those companies said that they depend on those whales to generate income because the other 99% of players spending is just not comparable
I could careless about the sponsored ads. You do what you need to do to keep the content coming.
In the past I've been very vocal about you placing ads in the videos and now, with this explanation, I understand much better how the system works and why you had to do so. So, no sweat man, I've been around since the (really) old days and me and the others who have been here since then... we ain't going anywhere. Your content is great. Keep moving on.
The idea of companion apps for MMOs definitely works. Even the incredibly basic one that WoW has for its mission tables is very handy since it saves you from having to log into the game and go to the relevant place for them. It could be cool to see an expansion of that idea.
$80,000 for a 2 min ad is insane no wonder he does these ads. I know some shadowlegends ads pay 140k
That's freaking insane?! Is that real? Wow....
@@C-Jay_Underground hes a millionaire for reason
80k? Where is that confirmed?
The average cost of a new car is around 36k, which is still a substantial amount of money, but nowhere near 80k
@@luckybreadchop the average cost of an average car is 15k. Also the guy lives in Thailand. He wouldn't dare driving around with an expensive car.
@@TitusAzzurro I just googled the average cost of a New car, and it said 36k🤷♂️ again the 15k Would only Help my point in Saying that I dont believe he got 80k, like OP says
9:25 I remember playing the mobile wizard 101 games, which were just the pc version’s arcade games. You could win rewards that would go directly in game.
It's great to see your honest opinion on those things. And whilst I think people can sell out over time I understand the need to get paid. Your video about afk arena shocked me but I saw Rhykker (a D3 content creator) doing the same and realized it had to pay good. Fired it up, went to the toilet and you got your view and it didn't do me no harm. I rather see an ad on every video than not see content from people like you so keep on doing what you do.
"ONLY 4000" he says. Thats more than I make...
Yeah but it also depends on where the person lives.
The fake ads is while i'll never touch afk arena regardless of its actual quality
its actually pretty good but you hit a pay wall pretty fast
@@drzado5763 no you do not, the games about "AFK" meaning if u can't pass something, u just need to keep getting rewards via afking.
paying is you're option
I fully support you taking sponsors and covering mobile MMORPG games! (even though I believe most of them suck) I'm starting two channels myself related to a more creativity-based niche, but I'm doing so with the aim of making it part of my income. Anyone who comes here and watches content on TH-cam, expecting zero sponsors, zero ads, etc. are just being naïve and selfish. I would tell those people to sit down and learn to make high-quality videos and see how much work it is. Learn video editing software, graphic design software, buy and learn the equipment needed and how much time this all takes to do and THEN tell me that content creators shouldn't be looking to monetize. Be glad you don't *have* to pay a subscription for this stuff. Go for it Peon. We have to make a living and we can't worry about the never-ending complainers.
It would be hypocrisy to be annoyed for content creators to run ads. I stumbled upon your stream not long ago and love it. I am happy that you have sponsors and you can make money to continue making videos like this.
Dude, Peon, you're living the dream of being a self employed game reviewer and giving us great content; make all the money from ads you want, it's how the world works my bro. We're all in on it ;)
Glad you stuck with AFK Arena despite all the hate you got.
The game is legit great, and the devs are very responsive to feedback.
I’m at chapter 32 with just 20$ spent, which didn’t help that much.
Damn, you must have been playing it for like a year with that progress right?
@@TheLazyPeon Pretty much :) a year and 10 days
Happy for you, surely testing positive must been difficult for you. Hope you get over AFK arena addiction soon.
Haven't spent a penny but I enjoyAFK Arena by just casually logging in every now and again, do what I want to do and then buzz off to other things.
I think he can play it as much as he wants, it's not a bad thing to enjoy it cuz it's a side game, no more no less.
i hate when ppl say "you betrayed your audience with this sponsor" or "i'm disapointed" ... bruh its a fucking sponsor. Let the man get his money. your life isnt gonna change a bit and i'm sure in that day when he posted the afk arena video, more than half of the ppl complaining forgot about the video in the same day.
Daaaaaaamn I’ve honestly not seen any of the TH-camrs that I watch be this transparent when it comes to ads and all that jazz. Wow thank you for being so honest, you so transparent you practically a ghost.
You’ve always been one of my favorite TH-camrs. Wow
I don't mind those ads you put to your videos you gotta earn your keep at some point as long as you keep up the good work it's your right to earn some. love you!
Your input on mobile advertisements was very informing and I loved your honesty. It actually puts these ads in perspective and makes me more favourable to TH-camrs who use them - I no longer feel negative towards TH-camrs who do them.
Thank you!
Mad respect to you for just keeping it 100 and mentioning the money aspect of all the sponsorship. Nothing wrong with being paid to create content, we're all just trying to make our way in life after all 😊
I appreciate the honesty and transparency with the ads on your channel
Bro your honesty is so refreshing to see these days. Ive been watching you for years now, and will continue to, love your work bro
The “parts on mobile” idea is brilliant and I have been pushing for that for years!
I don't mind the ads in your videos. I'm glad they're paying you well! Thanks for the content!
These sponsorships have never bothered me but your transparency about the process really helps us understand and make informed decisions not only about your reviews but your ads. You are a creator with integrity and I love your content. Here's to many more lucrative sponsorships, you deserve them!! 👍
love the honesty, makes it feel like you are much more of a friend, love watching your videos.
You are a wealth of knowledge and I really appreciate your honesty about all of these facts! You are truly one of my favorite TH-camrs!
Honestly your footage and Dragon Raja ads made me want to download it, if only for the interesting house/decorating and social systems in that game.
Keep doing sponsors dude, as long as you're transparent it's all good.
For me the best one will alway be Dofus Touch, which is a turn based MMORPG with classes and player driven economy. It's mostly played by French I think but there is a ton of depth in the combat
The cash shop isn't p2w because it's using a subscription (that you can really easily buy with in game cash after a couple of weeks of play). It's a bit hard to progress when playing 100% solo but there is still a ton of things to do either as a casual or a hardcore player
I liked your video in the first two minutes. Thanks for your honest and transparent opinion.
That ArcheAge theme in the background, so much nostalgia.
Thanks for being honest. You never know you might find a game sometimes that seems interesting thanks to a sponsored part in a vid :)
I love the honesty in this video, this is why I don't care that you take sponsorships, you enjoy that money I just skip over it, I don't care to hate and complain I simply click the video to watch the video, not write a hate thread. You did get me into AFK arena though with that video... Smh my head
Your honesty is super refreshing. This video is what made me subscribe.
Man, this video deserves an upvote for the honesty alone!
Here is an idea for a game from a book i am writing.
MMORPG with lots of PVE and PVP, different classes and loads of class customization. A completely free game with absolute no P2W or convenience items. No EXP potions, no crafting bonuses, none of that. However, it would have three monetization options each with different return-on-investment rates:
1) Low investment - Low return rate. Players in game would be able to build their houses, their guild halls and even castles. These buildings would have basic decorations, but more advanced decorations would cost real money. Players in game could buy an ingame-mini-game (more on that later) and design their own decorations. Other players would be able to buy a decoration you designed and thus a small part of money they spend would be granted to you (preferably premium currency over real money, but hey, making real money wouldn't be that bad). This would mean that players would generate decorations and players would buy decoration, and the company would just take its cut from money transaction;
2) Medium investment - medium return rate. A company itself would design cosmetic items for alternative skill cinematics (example: instead or raising zombies you will raise mummies; example: instead of shooting blue lightning you will shoot red lightning; example: instead of transforming into a bear you will transform into tiger). Like Path of Exile, this would offer only cosmetic effects to players, but it could generate a bit of income;
3) High investment - high return. Main source of income would be inhame-mini-games. These mini games would be completely optional and wouldn't affect your MMORPG play, but they would offer loads of alternative fun. Here are few examples:
A mini racing games
A mini shooter game
A mini card game
A mini decoration creating game
An alternative mini racing game
Etc.
With this typo of monetization it would be easy to produce at least a single mini game every two months and generate revenue to maintain whole game itself. But most importantly, it would offer loads of alternative activities within the game for player who get tired/bored of plain pvp/pve: just pay 5$ to unlock this cart-racing mini game and watch your character blaze across a dirt road whne racing against other players.
There was a mmorpg that actually had minigames in it to do aside. Man I really loved the co-op tower defense and base defense xd
I did understand Lazypeon Sponsor never did understand the hate
I will still support Lazypeon since 2017 I found his channel
He will have a honest opinion on the game his play the rest is up too you if his bad or good
I still gave a thumbs up to your AFK Arena video to make sure monetization hit for it. There's no way in hell I'm EVER going to play that crap, but if I can squeeze money out of them to get it to you, why not?
When the content is as good as yours, I have no problems sitting through a 60 second ad. You deserve it for all the work you put into your videos.
I was one of the only positive comments on that AFK Arena ad video. I'm just happy you get to earn money for that short video because yes youtube ad revenue sucks. Glad you making money moves
Much love
Really enjoyed the insight into sponsorship money and such, pretty enlightening. Cheers for the honesty Peon, and don't worry much about sponsored ads, we all skip that shit anyways, so earn the dollar while you can! :)
I would love cross plat balance like this, such as hearthstone in the WoW inns or something, fishing would be cool but the warboard mini missions from wod-bfa
Glad to hear your honesty here. That being said, I wonder how future sponsors will think of this video...
future sponsors don't care only the potential market they will reach.
I would also like to say that I love the cross-platform concept you mentioned toward the end of the video. I've been wanting features like this in every MMORPG I play. Being able to do crafting and gathering in a scaled-down companion app would be freakin amazing!
This might be one of my favorites videos that you've made. So very informative and interesting!
I'm at a point in my life where eventhough my pc can run most modern games, I'm too tired from work that I just want to be entertained.
Games - even mobile games- that I play now don't require much effort to play.
I love my time with WoW back then and have always craved to get that feeling back. Genshin did that for me initially, but even that became too much for me.
So casual mobile games have been good to me. Mostly. I'm kinda glad that it's around.
Same here, ever since I started working after graduation I just find myself no longer have as much time as before on PC gaming and slowly shifting to mobile. I still play PC games, just nowhere near as often as before.
Check out Shadow, it is a streaming PC you can play any game you own on basically the highest settings on basically any device for an affordable fee as long as you have decent internet. Can use it for any PC applications as well. Tech like this will likely drive the cost of high end PCs in the future. What a time we live in.
the pc to mobile idea is great, the dreamcast video memory unit actually did this with skies of arcadia! was fun to sneak in a mini game at school way back when, then the battery would die in about a half hour lol.
that "semi-crossplataform" u mentioned is actually one of the things i always wanted to see in more games since i played warframe
I don't see a problem with sponsors. Most people including me already use adblock to not see ads, and sponsor block to not see sponsors, so in the end, it does not affect most people at all.
Make bank while you can.
We need more people like you who can express some honest opinions. Love the video, hope more companies will get back to making good quality games instead of milking people with bad mobile games.
Such an amazing video. Very detailed. Incredible!
So many games are missing out on the mobile game option to their already existing game. There are so many titles that I'd play a ton if they had mobile options to help my progression. It would never replace the PC version but being able to still continue your progress while away from your computer is extremely appealing.
Glad to see you got over your AFK Arena addiction! Stay strong.
He didn't say he stopped playing it.
It seems like yesterday that the best game I could play on my phone was snake. Whether or not you like mobile MMOs, it's damn impressive that we could put that into a phone.
love that u used Archeage theme music in this video . gave me memories of the good days . lets see how Archeage 2 turns out
Dude
You got Gwyneth's SI to +30 and you have an ascended Rowan...
I'm disappointed in you.
Shaking my smh... :D
I really appreciate your transparency regarding sponsorships. I mean, I guessed as much, but it's always nice to hear it.
Check out Legends of Idleon made by one person and it isn't pay to win. It's actually free and plays a lot like Maplestory. You can put down 20 dollars and it will instantly give you enough gems for end-game but you don't really need it since you can also earn gems inside the arena.
I think a companion app for an MMorpg can be very convenient for people who don't have as much time to sit down for hours at a time to play. The way I'd think about is giving access to resource management if you have some sort of worker/expedition system that can help those players still obtain some sort of gains/progression with the limited time they have. Perhaps little minigames/puzzles (both main and mobile) can be a part of limited time events to give them additional things to play without being totally left behind.
That being said if sponsorships allow you to have a better life Peon it's fine by me. I believe in your integrity and the integrity of your channel having been following you for a few years.
Thank you for sharing numbers and your thoughts, Peon. Appreciate it. Would like to see more discussion videos in the future.
I love lazy peon's details and opinions towards games I had feeling the afk arena would Be a marketing video hehe but still if possible I would love to see list of wuxia or cultivation mobile games or idle RPG mobile games that could be Rly cool as many aren't detailed or opinionated enough
Wow, great insights and the heartfelt honesty that we have come to expect. The big money from mobile sponsors comes from somewhere. You provided useful context into where and why. Thanks LP.
Thanks for sharing this info. I hope that you don't get into trouble with those companies or any future sponsors for making this video.
100% agree your points, from a Chinese game developer and publisher, like the points "Asia countries like China and Korea usually players don't have a desk and room for PC or console so turn to mobile games mostly" , "More developers in Asia are doing PC or console now just for less competitive market".
I've been asking for a mobile companion app for GW2 for a while now, crafting can take HOURS when you are deep in the game, and it would be nice to be able to have it running on my phone instead of my PC eating up power when I have to craft throughout the whole night.
For me honestly, I like Mobile games that lets you crossplay between platforms or almost resembles the PC version like Wild Rift or Call of Duty. If they keep doing that in the future then I might actually like mobile gaming, as long as they don't fuck it up with P2W mechanics.
Unrelated to the content of yet another good video, but hearing the main menu soundtrack from Aaero made me like this channel even more.
Get that paper Peon, you've earned it! Anyone who complains about your sponsors has no idea how TH-cam, a business or probably the world works. Good that you explained!
Not sure if you've ever come across the title -and to be fair, it's not an MMORPG - but I'm wondering what your thoughts would be for the game "Exiled Kingdoms"
It's the best game I've ever played on mobile. It's also a one-time payment for the full game, which was created by one guy. There's no multiplayer, but the vibrant community (with its dedicated Wiki page) makes the game even more engaging.
I got a basic solar set up so I actually use mobile since it allows my solar powered battery to have a higher input than I'm outputting to charge my phone lol.
The only three games I mainly play on mobile (since I ran out of internal storage for anything extra) is BanG! Dream, OSRS, and Terraria.
Things like the Tap Strap 2 and the NexDock/PhoneBook also exists if I want to ignore the touch screens entirely.
The third reason being is that laptops annoy me with how awkwardly low their battery endurance is.
I'm currently looking into getting a LG V60 which basically lasts nearly 2 days with heavy use since I prioritize portability with high battery life.
Though when I do get a higher powered solar set up, 100% I'd go back to PC. At least when I'm at home. The commute to and from the ladder is pretty lengthy 😅
Might save up for a GPD Win Max but until then, looks like I'm going mobile for awhile.
I understand the need for the sponsorships. Even if I don't like the games, I don't blame you for taking them given the payout. I'll gladly take those if it means you can keep making great videos!
TIL Albion Online's Android port has a Google Play client in beta which is really easy to participate. Until now you had to download the apk from the official site for every small update. And the UI used to be the same as the PC UI but they already changed that. I recommend this one. Btw it's cross-platform
I'm long time sub, big fan of ur content, and I literally just bought a s20 for gaming you couldn't have had better timing. Would you do a review on any of these updated (black desert mobile, villagers and heroes, toram, adventure quest 3d, avabel.?
Thank you for the super transparent video, Peon. This was a really pleasant and informative change of pace from my normal nightly youtube.
Love you, Peon, you've always made great content, always have thought-out opinions on games, and you strike the perfect balance between entertaining youtube content while also being a significant general news and information source for MMOs up and coming and current (though I still watch whatever you play!). Keep up the good work, and if it were up to us TH-cam alone would pay you what you're worth, but we all know how that goes.
Yo! I really appreciate you being transparent about your earnings. this is something I wish more youtubers would actually talk about.
Bro get as much ad money as you can.
The content you make is awesome and anything that helps that along and helps you do what you enjoy is no problem.
Love the vids
OMG I HEARD THAT ARCHEAGE MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND!
"RUSHING MEAD"🤯
LazyPeon, you should play Identity V and Sky: Children of the Light. You can be completely F2P for both games and don't have to spend money at all to enjoy the full experience. And not to mention that both games are extremely fun (IDV is more competitive while Sky is more casual and calming) and have cute graphics.
Also a huge point for mobile gaming to be so popular in the asia country is partly due to the long commute time and how busy their life could be. Sometimes after work, no one would want to turn on their PC and to boot up the game to play if they have the option to just flip out their phone and game on it. Commute time in asia countries can take up a majority portion of the day too and while commuting, their only entertainment is their phone.
I always appreciate honesty. Thank you for the video.