As I mentioned in the video, hoping to have gaming results soon. Spotted a few strange results while benchmarking, unfortunately there's limited in depth testing to compare to so we're just waiting for a few people to get back with answers. Hope you understand! We want accurate results above all else
As I see, Russian reviewers PRO Hi-Tech have quite close comparison to what you did, you may contact them on the matter, facebook.com/prohitec, or twit at their co-founder @iKorneychuk
In the laptop segment manufacturers gives you 2 choices at midrange now: 1. Midrange Intel laptop for midrange money 2. High end AMD laptop for midrange money Go AMD, get a tier higher performance across the board. Who knew a blue sticker was so expensive?
OEMs and gamers will still justify that high price tag of high end Intel as being worth it. Basically you have to have deep pockets to be a mobile heavy user of Adobe and gaming.
I think productivity applications for design are more compatible these days with AMD, this is the only reason I might be reserved with going the AMD option, but team red otherwise is kicking butt.
"voting with your wallets" is a lie told by capitalists to further consumption and it doesn't work, just look at apple. People buy their macs even tho their machines are overheating pieces of garbage for example.
Shame dat in my country AND doesn't exist, only intel and to import AND/buying even from pages like Amazon, Ebay, etc, the price y x2 or more than Intel in my country :/
@@kazeshiii true my friend... honestly i'm not into gaming neither... and i would finally become a patreon, if the monitor revues would get a creator perspective added, too this channel actually deserves it already... chicken-egg....
I'm a developer, can count on one hand how many these reviews run a compile test. Half these 'tests' are testing the GPU, so its a bit pointless for those of us interested in an 4800H APU laptop.
I currently use an hp elitebook 735 with a ryzen 5 3500U. 32GB ram, 1TB nvme storage... It's a monster. I use it for Java and React software development and can easily run docker and multiple development VMs simultaneously and get code compile performance and general use performance that matches (and often beats) the older hp Z640 6-core xeon workstation I had in the office before. As soon as hp plug a 4800U into a 13" elitebook I'm buying it. Even if it costs £1600.
@@MichaelFlatman envy is a lovely device. I'm after an elitebook because my company use all hp ultraslim docking stations which fit the whole elitebook range. I have a dock at work, at home and at my parents place as we all use elitebooks
You are the first reviewer that I see so far that even do benchmark for MATLAB. It is helpful for me because I am doing PhD in Mechatronics Engineering.
@@jediii86 from what I heard, when they made motherboards for amd, they need some sort of greenlight from nvidia for using GPUs higher than 2060, cuz those boards need more capacitors, that green light never came, no pun intended
@@filipprucnal i find that very interesting when i first heard that news. i hope that apple are paying attention to what AMD is doing in terms of mobile computing. while i dont really need their mac computing as all my use is enough with the current ios version of app, i have used iphone for 10 years now and i find that i edit videos and photos with ios app is enough for me. hopefully if they go full AMD, and the price is competitive, i can finally justify their mac. lmao
Yeah they are terrible. I cannot believe the good reviews they are getting. Apple really do get a free pass with their crappy designs. At least their new MB 16 inch laptops seem a bit better thermally.
Can't wait to see the unlocked [INSERT OEM HERE] 17.3" laptop with Ryzen 9 4900H, with configurable 90W power draw, appropiate cooling and a RTX 2080 Super.
4900H wouldn't benefit from 90W much. But there are already 3950X build into laptops at their 65W efficiency mode. With 3950X configurable power draw would be amazing thing. Though I think that laptop with 65W mode is only 15-20% less powerful than 3950X in a desktop. But giving it 20W more would close the gap pretty well.
Ishaq Hussain And not only that..Intel's non-competition laziness held back PC CPU development for quite some time. If Intel had had their way..we probably would've got 10 nm in 2026 or something rather than 7 nm in 2020 and supposedly 5nm+ in 2021.
I really appreciate that you added davinci resolve. It really utilizes the extra cores and graphics card a lot more and I think it really deserves to be mentioned. The 7nm is really coming through for AMD, they really do have it rough considering intel does everything in their power, even unfair, to try to win while AMD really can't afford to do things like pay OEM's due to their size. I hope more laptop will use AMD like mobo's did with desktop ryzen, maybe laptops will be worth it again!
In real life the 4800H is amazing! I work with DAWs, game engines, video editing, and some crazy office multitasking. I can't believe how fast and "cold" this processor is. I love it.
@@arc_channel_yt I replaced my laptop for a SFF machine with an i5-10400. Kinda of an opportunity I had to have something a little more powerful and more flexible in terms of upgrades for cheap. A bit trickier to keep it cool though.
Still.. in Puget tests, both Davinci Resolve and Premiere seem to do quite better with just a 2060 Super 8gb than the 5700 XT. Significantly better, if you look at the benchmarks. Surely drivers and internal design favoring more games than apps in the AMD cards, as in games the AMD card is clearly better than the 2060 S. The brute force I believe is actually in the AMD cards, but internal design, fine tuning and drivers are a huge factor (both have same amount of VRAM!). Indeed, the Radeon VII 16GB (such a pain that is EOL) beats so many nvidia ranks that is not even funny. In certain very key test (Davinci, if I recall right) is THE SECOND, above the 2080 ti, and a bit (very slight, despite the 8gb VRAM of difference) below a RTX Titan 24 GB. Of course, in video editing 4k and stuff, VRAM quantity is a huge factor, but u know the huge difference in cost with that Titan... Even more, it's way cheaper than a 2080 ti, which it surpass with ease in that test. So, a card in a high end video editing benchmark (which, if anything, tends to favor nvidia and, till recently, intel), done in a very professional way, costing sth about 550 bucks, beats (not by a large margin, but significant) a nvidia card, the 2080 ti, which costs, what, 1400 ? Almost 3x. If I had the money, I'd be getting not one, but two VIIs, just for when the 1st one would break, lol. Like the 3950X, an absolute productivity monster/beast. Would make an incredible combo. Better put: In Davinci , 4K video editing, a 2500 $ nvidia card, the RTX Titan 24GB, performs almost the same than the 550$ Radeon VII 16GB. By 1/5 the cost. Ouch. It is not now, but if stuff with the quality of the VII are done in the future (equivalent stuff) , and so optimized for apps, I can foresee then a tight fight in graphic content apps, too. Not an AMD fanboy, I indeed surely will pair a Ryzen with a 2060 S, but I had lost my hopes for AMD in cards for productivity until I saw what a 500 bucks (the VII, not 5700XT) card from AMD can do. source: www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-GPU-Roundup-NVIDIA-SUPER-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT-1563/#4KMediaBenchmarkAnalysis
@@3polygons the answer lies on AMD new strategy with RDNA & CDNA, one is for gaming & the other is for compute. unlike the previous gen (vega) that designed to handle both.
Just ordered an MSI BRavo 17 A4DDR-009, with a 4800H and an RX 5500M. That 17" display is going to be nice. It's on pre-order now since pandemic has delayed production. I'm pretty excited to see how it'll perform in Linux
@@sishirshrestha1783 Nah, I specifically chose not to get an NVIDIA GPU for a multitude of reasons. Competition support, open source driver support, better KVM support, etc... NVIDIA's a hassle to work with on what I want to use the system for, and I also cannot bring myself to support such a toxic company
My son was very curious about why there was an anchor through the box, so I had to explain the whole thing. Then I had to show him some old videos with TH-cam's Closed Captions (to show how TH-cam loves the opening)...and happened upon a Tim video which had the caption "Hadron Boxed". LHC much? Might be a little complicated for merch., though. Great video, as always!
I got screwed by DELL in the past with bad NVidia chip. ASUS were good with the warranty but horrible with cooling. I wan't to see that Lenovo and Acer can do with Ryzen 4000.
@@aoullaperzahouwi8284 Just ordered mine (arriving in may). Hope its as good as they say on youtube, reviews and everywhere. The cooling do be a beast tho
I have the R7 4800HS paired with a GTX 1660ti Maz-Q,, and 4800HS has built-in Graphics already.. the best thing is I got the 240Hz version of the laptop...
Love the compiling test! One improvement that would make it even better would be doing it in Windows and Linux (maybe Ubuntu or Manjaro) for us backslash haters. Otherwise, great video!
Where are you from? I ask this because the GPU on AMD variant of Legion 5 in North America was capped to GTX 1650ti, whereas in Southeast Asia it is available up to RTX 2060.
I'd rather they release their Thinkpad X Yoga (convertible 2-in-1) with a Ryzen 4800u option, but I feel like OEMs are going to screw AMD over by not releasing any of their flagships with a Ryzen APU.
Just took delivery of a HP OMEN 15 Ryzen 4800H and it's bloody brilliant. Excellent compliment to my 3900x based desktop for photography work. I wanted one with an RTX 2060 but they are delayed till end Oct / Nov at the moment and my old Dell 5577 I5 4 core was on it's way out so no choice but to go for the 1660ti version. Slammed 64GB in it and a 2nd M.2 and happy as can be. Will do all I need and then some. For those interested. Old laptop I5 4 core 7300HQ took 13 mins 40 sec to render a 1080p project from Davinci Resolve free. The new one did it in 3 min 28 sec and it rendered the same project out on battery in 3 min 45. Sorry but Intel who?
I am using a 4800h hp pavilion with 1650 ti, the gpu is definitely not the fastest but the cpu feels like a new purchase. Literally no lags whatsoever.
For the first time in over a decade my work's Simulation lab bought AMD CPU based machines rather than Intel based ones (on my suggestion) during their upgrade. Next year they're going to be replacing our Intel CPU based laptops and, if, by then, these AMD CPUs are paired with decent spec GPUs by then, I'll be suggesting we upgrade to AMD machines for the laptops too.
Thanks for the code compilation bench mark. As a dev who runs Gentoo this is honestly all i care about. Can you post your compiler flags for building gcc next time. Wondering what -j is set to...
I think it's 5% in single core but 10% with multicore workloads. As I would assume those would have to be binned CPUs to make sense in having 4800H and 4900H. The integrated graphics being faster is insignificant detail, as even the smallest int.GPU will be plenty enough for everything one would do with it because discrete GPU exists. So to justify price difference the only choice is binning. And probably those laptops with 4900H will have better cooling, which helps with Ryzen to gain even more.
Zen 4 + RDNA3 with enhanced 5nm+ node. That's the one laptop I want. AMD could build 16c/32t and 5700XT level performance APU with smartshift tech. As if RDNA2 was 50% better perf/watt on 7np node , RDNA3 could have perhaps 30% from architectural changes and 90% better power efficiency from 7np -> 5nm+ enhanced. Thus 1.5 x 1.3 x 1.9 = 3,7 times performance per watt compared to 5700XT. And that CPU doesn't consume anything when it's feeding 5700XT level GPU. If AMD goes wild, they could even have much higher performing GPU on that APU if they think they could take over the gaming laptop market. They could easily beat any Nvidia GPUs on APU assuming Nvidia isn't moving to 5nm+ enhanced, and even then AMD had the added benefit of having just one APU. These numbers are based of TSMC's own numbers, multiplying the efficiency numbers from 7np to 7nm+ EUV to 5nm and then 5nm+ enhanced.
great video. I don't game, but I'm looking for a trading laptop. Would you suggest ryzen 5 or 7? also does the graphics card really matter, 1650 ti or a 2060 or is it more important to have 16 gigs of RAM or 24 g b rather than a powerful graphics card for trading? Thanks for your help
As always a good video. I have a question. Until now I'm only seeing low eng graphic cards on Ryzen 4000 do you know of any laptop with a 2070 super or higher? Until now I couldn't spot nothing. Id like to buy a Ryzen 4000 but it needs to be 100% sRGB it needs to have at leas 8 gb on a graphic card. I'm not a gamer. I work with Architecture and 3d. I even didn't mind a mobile 5700xt...
Thanks for adding the code compiling test, it's great for firmware and software guys like myself. Our company is now basically going entirely with laptops (Dell G5s), so it's a good data point for us. Now the questions is when will Dell come out with their new G5 with Ryzen? They've shown it off, I just can't find it anywhere locally in South Africa.
I actually want the 4800H without a dGPU for a pure workstation/endurance laptop. gaming is for my desktop at home. I could be converted to an ex-GPU setup given the performance gains.
13:50 what a chart that is, cheers AMD! What I am excited about is the 4800U, a laptop without extra gpu will be a lot more affordable and of course with lower power consumption even more efficiency! Have an R5 3600 in my desktop, crazy to think I'll have more cores (with SMT!) in my laptop if I can get one of those...
sat waiting on a Ryzen 4600u to come out and be tested. a 6 core 12 thread would be good for my current workload (documentation based work and movie watching) when travelling. something Thin and light which doesnt get stupidly warm. would be nice to see how the new AMD CPUs compare in this segment to the intel offerings and hopefully at a cheaper price point too
I just ordered the 17” variant with the same specs, although mine only has 32GB of RAM. Unfortunately I didn’t realize the 17” was a pre order so I have to wait til may 11th. But I am genuinely excited, as this will be my 1st amd cpu since the windows ME days.
Just commented on it in another video earlier. As for now, as soon as you put a ryzen processor in a laptop you can say goodbye to thunderbolt connectivity. For some that makes buying Ryzen laptops impossible unfortunately. Not often enough commented on from our TH-cam sites like Hardware Unboxed, LTT, Jayztwocents among others. Please let that show in the reviews going forward as well, otherwise getting it implemented will take forever and ever.. Thanks for the great review regardless!
@@claritoresdiano1021 hmm? I mean to say you rarely see thunderbolt connections on amd motherboards (some high end ones have it, like the taichi models for desktop). For People in music production thunderbolt is a big plus to have, meaning you're stuck with intel.
keep in mind that the asus Tuf here has 2 x m.2 nvme slots, so even tho it doesn't have TB3, u could connect an m.2 egpu to the extra port. Imagine a ryzen 4800H paired with a desktop RTX2070 without the TB3 performance loss!
This is only their first iteration, damn. Performance is harder to increase, but efficiency gains are periodic and consistent. In 3 years, we could see the same performance in a 15W envelope, possibly more performance.
I hope that the 4900H would be the most popular chip in the mobile market, as it is easily the best out there. Don't want it to get overshadowed by the two APUs tested in this video.
Any more AMD laptops? It’s been a while since your last laptop review? It might be useful to add some desktop parts into the review for reference. These might be good enough to forgo buying a desktop in some use cases.
i miss energy consumption in idle and under different load etc. something, to some people, most important with laptops. also, can you undervolt the ryzen apu's?
You can't tweak Ryzen Laptops..... yet. AMD is supposedly leaving it up to the OEMs for making their own software for overclocking, undervolting, ect. So if someone made a third party software, that would be great.
@@ahmadzabeer983 the problem is board partner limitation design, some brand when you put very low voltage or wrong voltage the system begin unstable it could be kill or short componen in the motherboard. that's why oem's choose locked overcloking and undervolting. We don't know the right oem standart voltage, we don't know thermal limitation per component, we don't know maksimum load, less information. we got Info from someone already done an experiment then we can't just copy and paste put into system Hope they're tuning system to the maximum limit at lower voltage before bring out to the market.
It would be nice to see a benchmark for Divinci Resolve (Free edition) as it does NOT use GPU for encoding so that would allow you to remove the GPU differences from the equation and MANY people use the Free edition...I'm jussayin...
Please can you add Topaz Video Enchanced Ai and Gigapixel Ai Benchmark. Also the DXO Denoise Prime raw to jpg. Btw why no temperature and power comparison?
To add to this list the honor magickbook pro 2020 AMD Ryzen 7 4800H, 16gb ram & 512 SSD with windows 10 pro all for €872 (shipping included) the absolute beast of a laptop I'm getting.
As I mentioned in the video, hoping to have gaming results soon. Spotted a few strange results while benchmarking, unfortunately there's limited in depth testing to compare to so we're just waiting for a few people to get back with answers. Hope you understand! We want accurate results above all else
Wheres the best place to buy a g14 in Australia
12:22 Why is the i7-10875H faster in the CPU only results, but then the 4800H beats the 9750H with a more powerful GPU?? Odd results there...
As I see, Russian reviewers PRO Hi-Tech have quite close comparison to what you did, you may contact them on the matter, facebook.com/prohitec, or twit at their co-founder @iKorneychuk
Color tags in 5:19 are mixed, multi core and single core.
Why no power consumption test?
In the laptop segment manufacturers gives you 2 choices at midrange now:
1. Midrange Intel laptop for midrange money
2. High end AMD laptop for midrange money
Go AMD, get a tier higher performance across the board. Who knew a blue sticker was so expensive?
OEMs and gamers will still justify that high price tag of high end Intel as being worth it. Basically you have to have deep pockets to be a mobile heavy user of Adobe and gaming.
"Listen, our shade of blue used really expensive pigment"
@@Therapistwatermirrur OEMs will change to AMD if power consumption and thermals are good.
Well, they also need to step up the lcds. Most of them seem to be rather on the cheap side on AMD powered units
I think productivity applications for design are more compatible these days with AMD, this is the only reason I might be reserved with going the AMD option, but team red otherwise is kicking butt.
Less of a difference than I expected between the 4800H and 4900HS given the 10W difference 🤔
now, please review battery life 🤭
Battery life is probably most important for regular people.
It would be interesting to see what the 4900H can do for multicore tasks.
It's probably limited by the cooling system on the laptop.
binning at it's finest
now I'm wondering how the 4800HS performs compared to the 4800H and 4900HS
We need more ryzen 4000 laptops. Vote with your wallets people, don't buy intel laptops unless you are desperate.
Im on it! Will prop buy a 4000 laptop and the built a 5000 pc when that thing drops in a year or so
"voting with your wallets" is a lie told by capitalists to further consumption and it doesn't work, just look at apple. People buy their macs even tho their machines are overheating pieces of garbage for example.
Shame dat in my country AND doesn't exist, only intel and to import AND/buying even from pages like Amazon, Ebay, etc, the price y x2 or more than Intel in my country :/
@@kbolternorris2676 Precisely because people voted that they loved macs.
@@kbolternorris2676 It works when your user base isn't tech illiterate
thanks a lot for adding the creativity applications like Davinci Resolve! this is awesome
I know right. Not all of us are locked into the Adobe suite.
@@kazeshiii true my friend... honestly i'm not into gaming neither... and i would finally become a patreon, if the monitor revues would get a creator perspective added, too this channel actually deserves it already... chicken-egg....
I'm a developer, can count on one hand how many these reviews run a compile test. Half these 'tests' are testing the GPU, so its a bit pointless for those of us interested in an 4800H APU laptop.
@@morpheus9137 makes sense
I´m waiting for the 15 W parts, it will be a massacre with the efficiency advantage AMD has
Unbelievable efficiency
I currently use an hp elitebook 735 with a ryzen 5 3500U. 32GB ram, 1TB nvme storage... It's a monster. I use it for Java and React software development and can easily run docker and multiple development VMs simultaneously and get code compile performance and general use performance that matches (and often beats) the older hp Z640 6-core xeon workstation I had in the office before. As soon as hp plug a 4800U into a 13" elitebook I'm buying it. Even if it costs £1600.
@@bappyplays i'm looking for hp envy x360 13 with r7 4700u. Hopefully the 1080p 120hz panel is there aswell (700nits!!)
@@MichaelFlatman envy is a lovely device. I'm after an elitebook because my company use all hp ultraslim docking stations which fit the whole elitebook range. I have a dock at work, at home and at my parents place as we all use elitebooks
they are coming - Swift 3, Yoga S740, Envy x360 13 etc
for business laptops, need to wait longer as usual
The funny thing for the 4800H, besides being the behemoth it is, is that AMD still has a faster 4900H.
Man, if someone makes an app to unlock the turbo of the CPU you could easily kill intel's single-thread "lead"
4900HS
@ 4900H is faster than the 4900HS
@@Steveindajeep for a long term workload. Because higher TDP
Well, I'm waiting for ryzen 5 series to come out.
small detail but at 5:18 on the graph, is the multi and single colors switched?
You are the first reviewer that I see so far that even do benchmark for MATLAB. It is helpful for me because I am doing PhD in Mechatronics Engineering.
No worries, I studied engineering and used Matlab a lot, thought it's worth testing
Can't wait to see the 4000's series paired with a 2070 super, against intel's cpus. Seems like intel is only winning bcos is paired to a better GPU
That's a given right now, we have to talk with or wallets to get a 2070 or 80 with an Amd cpu not those 14nm ++++++++-+ disasters
Fuck OEMs
@@jediii86 from what I heard, when they made motherboards for amd, they need some sort of greenlight from nvidia for using GPUs higher than 2060, cuz those boards need more capacitors, that green light never came, no pun intended
@@jediii86 People still buy from Alienware?
maybe intel is paying under the table so that doesn't happen! monopolistic activities????
Meanwhile, the new MacBook Air overheats whenever you make a Skype call
Would be interesting if apple went full AMD
@@filipprucnal i find that very interesting when i first heard that news. i hope that apple are paying attention to what AMD is doing in terms of mobile computing. while i dont really need their mac computing as all my use is enough with the current ios version of app, i have used iphone for 10 years now and i find that i edit videos and photos with ios app is enough for me. hopefully if they go full AMD, and the price is competitive, i can finally justify their mac. lmao
Apple go full with own iPhone iPad socs in MacBooks... amd is too Late for that. Otherwice it would have been huge opportunity to amd.
Well, what do you expect for the Rotten Apple's "Jokebooks" that had little or no exhaust vents since it's inception?
😏
Yeah they are terrible. I cannot believe the good reviews they are getting. Apple really do get a free pass with their crappy designs. At least their new MB 16 inch laptops seem a bit better thermally.
Finally! a code compile benchmark. Would love to see compiles for both gcc and clang if possible :)
Can't wait to see the unlocked [INSERT OEM HERE] 17.3" laptop with Ryzen 9 4900H, with configurable 90W power draw, appropiate cooling and a RTX 2080 Super.
4900H wouldn't benefit from 90W much. But there are already 3950X build into laptops at their 65W efficiency mode. With 3950X configurable power draw would be amazing thing. Though I think that laptop with 65W mode is only 15-20% less powerful than 3950X in a desktop. But giving it 20W more would close the gap pretty well.
Simply won't happen this gen. Intel and the OEMs cockblocked the 4000s from getting better GPU than a 2060
That would be such a hit to Intel that most likely won't allow to happen, let's make it real with or wallets
4900H would be maxed out at 80+W in Cinebench R15
I will not count on company to give a good cooling solution to that powerful laptop, like always
*_Stop, Stop! He's already dead_*
When the new Ryzen CPU´s come out they will beat a dead corpse by that time with the garbage 14nm +++++++++++³ 200W TDP junk.
NO! EXECUTE THEM! 😠 AGAIN!
Ishaq Hussain And not only that..Intel's non-competition laziness held back PC CPU development for quite some time. If Intel had had their way..we probably would've got 10 nm in 2026 or something rather than 7 nm in 2020 and supposedly 5nm+ in 2021.
"FINISH HIM!!!"
@@fabian731 I can't believe they managed to outdo the FX 9590 in power consumption
"Hello, police? I'd like to report a murder. I just witnessed Ryzen 4000 kill Intel 10th Gen."
police: i guess case is closed than
28 stab wounds
Damn, Zen 2 mobile is gorgeous. But we all knew that, I'm just commenting to help the algorithm and perhaps pay a bit of Tim's electro bill.
A bit disappointed auto-caption got it right today.
Harbor boxed tho
Hey better than nothing haha
40nm instead of 14nm, ok fair enough...
Also 18:00 Rison≠ Ryzen
It's still wrong. It's Hammer on box.
0:05 WELCOME BACK TO HAVA BOX!
I hear harbour box
"harbor boxed" in the captions
He clearly said "Harbour Boxed", as it's their limited edition merchandise.
"Haba boxed" ? :D
Ciccio Graziani umm he clearly says it with a B and not a V
got an ideaoad 5 15.
4800u, 16gig, 512gb nvme, fullhd ips 300 ncd/m^2, 70wh battery, backlit keyboard, 650€
How's the cpu performance of it
Is it possible for u to post benchmarks
I was looking at this today, what is the laptop like for flex?
SEND LINK!!!
Link pls
I really appreciate that you added davinci resolve. It really utilizes the extra cores and graphics card a lot more and I think it really deserves to be mentioned.
The 7nm is really coming through for AMD, they really do have it rough considering intel does everything in their power, even unfair, to try to win while AMD really can't afford to do things like pay OEM's due to their size.
I hope more laptop will use AMD like mobo's did with desktop ryzen, maybe laptops will be worth it again!
In real life the 4800H is amazing! I work with DAWs, game engines, video editing, and some crazy office multitasking. I can't believe how fast and "cold" this processor is. I love it.
Hey brother,how it is going now?
@@arc_channel_yt I replaced my laptop for a SFF machine with an i5-10400. Kinda of an opportunity I had to have something a little more powerful and more flexible in terms of upgrades for cheap. A bit trickier to keep it cool though.
@@eduardopatricio oh i didn't expect answer thanks a lot brother
4800H runs pretty hot for a laptop CPU
Ryzen 4900HS with 35W is as fast as Intels 9980H at 90W @6:00. RiP 14nm+++++++
Thanks for including code compiling in the benchmark! It's my main workload :)
Yes officer we have just witnessed a massacre live.
O wow resolve being shown in a benchmark, well cool.
resolve needs more love.
So, the last bastion for Intel that's quicksync advantage in Adobe is also gone now?.
Welp, looks like Intel couldn't bribe them anymore. JK. But still, never knew Premier was that stranglehold without GPU acceleration for so long.
Yeah, with the new Beta of Premiere 14.2 you can do hardware encoding with any GPU so Intel Quicksync is not needed anymore.
Still.. in Puget tests, both Davinci Resolve and Premiere seem to do quite better with just a 2060 Super 8gb than the 5700 XT. Significantly better, if you look at the benchmarks. Surely drivers and internal design favoring more games than apps in the AMD cards, as in games the AMD card is clearly better than the 2060 S. The brute force I believe is actually in the AMD cards, but internal design, fine tuning and drivers are a huge factor (both have same amount of VRAM!). Indeed, the Radeon VII 16GB (such a pain that is EOL) beats so many nvidia ranks that is not even funny. In certain very key test (Davinci, if I recall right) is THE SECOND, above the 2080 ti, and a bit (very slight, despite the 8gb VRAM of difference) below a RTX Titan 24 GB. Of course, in video editing 4k and stuff, VRAM quantity is a huge factor, but u know the huge difference in cost with that Titan... Even more, it's way cheaper than a 2080 ti, which it surpass with ease in that test. So, a card in a high end video editing benchmark (which, if anything, tends to favor nvidia and, till recently, intel), done in a very professional way, costing sth about 550 bucks, beats (not by a large margin, but significant) a nvidia card, the 2080 ti, which costs, what, 1400 ? Almost 3x. If I had the money, I'd be getting not one, but two VIIs, just for when the 1st one would break, lol. Like the 3950X, an absolute productivity monster/beast. Would make an incredible combo.
Better put: In Davinci , 4K video editing, a 2500 $ nvidia card, the RTX Titan 24GB, performs almost the same than the 550$ Radeon VII 16GB. By 1/5 the cost. Ouch.
It is not now, but if stuff with the quality of the VII are done in the future (equivalent stuff) , and so optimized for apps, I can foresee then a tight fight in graphic content apps, too.
Not an AMD fanboy, I indeed surely will pair a Ryzen with a 2060 S, but I had lost my hopes for AMD in cards for productivity until I saw what a 500 bucks (the VII, not 5700XT) card from AMD can do.
source:
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-GPU-Roundup-NVIDIA-SUPER-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT-1563/#4KMediaBenchmarkAnalysis
@@3polygons the answer lies on AMD new strategy with RDNA & CDNA, one is for gaming & the other is for compute. unlike the previous gen (vega) that designed to handle both.
Just ordered an MSI BRavo 17 A4DDR-009, with a 4800H and an RX 5500M. That 17" display is going to be nice. It's on pre-order now since pandemic has delayed production. I'm pretty excited to see how it'll perform in Linux
Should’ve gotten asus tuf series, better gpu for the same price.
@@sishirshrestha1783 Nah, I specifically chose not to get an NVIDIA GPU for a multitude of reasons. Competition support, open source driver support, better KVM support, etc... NVIDIA's a hassle to work with on what I want to use the system for, and I also cannot bring myself to support such a toxic company
RX 5500M how far performance compared to nvidia ? can you undervolt it ?
@@claritoresdiano1021 it lands between non-refreshed 1650 and 1660 Ti
@@claritoresdiano1021 Its equal gtx 1060, same performance and TDP
My son was very curious about why there was an anchor through the box, so I had to explain the whole thing. Then I had to show him some old videos with TH-cam's Closed Captions (to show how TH-cam loves the opening)...and happened upon a Tim video which had the caption "Hadron Boxed". LHC much? Might be a little complicated for merch., though.
Great video, as always!
Thanks for adding some programming charts, love to see more of them both in laptop and desktop cpu benchmarks.
Awesome review! Thank You for the code compilation tests!
Just got a G15 with 4800HS for $1100 for a couple of days, a very satisfying purchase.
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What's the screen quality like? I'm looking at the Zephyrus g15 with RTX 2060 only Because of the IPS level screen.
Great of you to include a code compile test!
Finally something we can afford!
Thank you man for adding on your review on ADOBE PREMIERE PRO.. 😊
You've become no. 1 PC/Tech channel and web site. Really amazing how deep and comprehensive your information are . Keep up the good work!
Huge thumbs-up for code compiling tests.
As a CS student, I'm so happy to see the inclusion of GCC and MATLAB testing here 😂
Same
8 cores and 16 threads in a $1000 laptop when is amazing
Can't wait to get my hands on a Ryzen 4000 laptop NOT from ASUS. I got screwed by them not honoring their warranty , never again.
Dell g 5 is supposed to come out later, but it comes with Radeon ,not nvidia but ryzen thought
Dell’s probably your best bet
I got screwed by DELL in the past with bad NVidia chip. ASUS were good with the warranty but horrible with cooling. I wan't to see that Lenovo and Acer can do with Ryzen 4000.
Try HP OMEN 15 RYZEN 7 4800H
@@aoullaperzahouwi8284 Just ordered mine (arriving in may). Hope its as good as they say on youtube, reviews and everywhere. The cooling do be a beast tho
I have that Tuf a15 model, I love the 4800H in this. Extremely good performance
"what is todays video you might ask if you didnt see the title or thumbnail" is a valid statement for me; i see harbor boxed video, i click.
this cpu is twice as fast, with the same power consumption, as my undervolted i7 6700.
impressive!
I have the R7 4800HS paired with a GTX 1660ti Maz-Q,, and 4800HS has built-in Graphics already.. the best thing is I got the 240Hz version of the laptop...
Love the compiling test! One improvement that would make it even better would be doing it in Windows and Linux (maybe Ubuntu or Manjaro) for us backslash haters. Otherwise, great video!
I'm still holding my purse to wait until Lenovo release their Legion 5. I want a good ryzen 4000 laptop with great display.
Where are you from? I ask this because the GPU on AMD variant of Legion 5 in North America was capped to GTX 1650ti, whereas in Southeast Asia it is available up to RTX 2060.
I'd rather they release their Thinkpad X Yoga (convertible 2-in-1) with a Ryzen 4800u option, but I feel like OEMs are going to screw AMD over by not releasing any of their flagships with a Ryzen APU.
Just took delivery of a HP OMEN 15 Ryzen 4800H and it's bloody brilliant. Excellent compliment to my 3900x based desktop for photography work.
I wanted one with an RTX 2060 but they are delayed till end Oct / Nov at the moment and my old Dell 5577 I5 4 core was on it's way out so no choice but to go for the 1660ti version.
Slammed 64GB in it and a 2nd M.2 and happy as can be. Will do all I need and then some.
For those interested. Old laptop I5 4 core 7300HQ took 13 mins 40 sec to render a 1080p project from Davinci Resolve free. The new one did it in 3 min 28 sec and it rendered the same project out on battery in 3 min 45.
Sorry but Intel who?
I am using a 4800h hp pavilion with 1650 ti, the gpu is definitely not the fastest but the cpu feels like a new purchase. Literally no lags whatsoever.
true the ryzen 7 4800h performs smooth like butter in normal everyday tasks even in 2024
Idk if you read comment on not but big thank you for adding code compilation test .
For the first time in over a decade my work's Simulation lab bought AMD CPU based machines rather than Intel based ones (on my suggestion) during their upgrade. Next year they're going to be replacing our Intel CPU based laptops and, if, by then, these AMD CPUs are paired with decent spec GPUs by then, I'll be suggesting we upgrade to AMD machines for the laptops too.
Almost 500k subs boys! Awesome!!
Love the new chapters, makes it much easier to navigate the video if you're short on time!
Thanks, guys, great work as always. :)
Thanks for the code compilation bench mark. As a dev who runs Gentoo this is honestly all i care about. Can you post your compiler flags for building gcc next time. Wondering what -j is set to...
You're the reason i started to take note of the AMD Ryzen series man Keep it up !
Thank you very much, guys, I think you do the best CPU tests on the planet!!
There is no "apprehension" from OEMs, they simply don't want to give Intel their money back after accepting their bribe.
I didn't imagine the 4000 APU's would be this good. I'm even more excited for the desktop versions now.
If they take it out. They just pulled the 3400g
Please cover heat and temperatures in future or in another report. Thermal throttling is an issue with laptops.
Lol when the 4800h is actually the flagship. Can't wait to see those 4900h numbers.
4900H (the 45W)) Will probably be ~6% faster than the 4800H, in both single and multicore workloads
I think it's 5% in single core but 10% with multicore workloads. As I would assume those would have to be binned CPUs to make sense in having 4800H and 4900H. The integrated graphics being faster is insignificant detail, as even the smallest int.GPU will be plenty enough for everything one would do with it because discrete GPU exists. So to justify price difference the only choice is binning. And probably those laptops with 4900H will have better cooling, which helps with Ryzen to gain even more.
4:35 The single and multi core labels are inverted again, please fix that 😅. Awesome video nonetheless!
Zen 4 + RDNA3 with enhanced 5nm+ node. That's the one laptop I want. AMD could build 16c/32t and 5700XT level performance APU with smartshift tech. As if RDNA2 was 50% better perf/watt on 7np node , RDNA3 could have perhaps 30% from architectural changes and 90% better power efficiency from 7np -> 5nm+ enhanced. Thus 1.5 x 1.3 x 1.9 = 3,7 times performance per watt compared to 5700XT. And that CPU doesn't consume anything when it's feeding 5700XT level GPU.
If AMD goes wild, they could even have much higher performing GPU on that APU if they think they could take over the gaming laptop market. They could easily beat any Nvidia GPUs on APU assuming Nvidia isn't moving to 5nm+ enhanced, and even then AMD had the added benefit of having just one APU.
These numbers are based of TSMC's own numbers, multiplying the efficiency numbers from 7np to 7nm+ EUV to 5nm and then 5nm+ enhanced.
Outstanding work!
AMD Ryzen Zen2 caught up to Intel Core laptops. Can't wait for Zen3. Good review and report 👍
great video. I don't game, but I'm looking for a trading laptop. Would you suggest ryzen 5 or 7? also does the graphics card really matter, 1650 ti or a 2060 or is it more important to have 16 gigs of RAM or 24 g b rather than a powerful graphics card for trading? Thanks for your help
i would love to see some undervolting on the ryzen chips if possible and maybe some igpu overclocking?
As always a good video. I have a question. Until now I'm only seeing low eng graphic cards on Ryzen 4000 do you know of any laptop with a 2070 super or higher? Until now I couldn't spot nothing. Id like to buy a Ryzen 4000 but it needs to be 100% sRGB it needs to have at leas 8 gb on a graphic card. I'm not a gamer. I work with Architecture and 3d. I even didn't mind a mobile 5700xt...
Thanks for adding the code compiling test, it's great for firmware and software guys like myself. Our company is now basically going entirely with laptops (Dell G5s), so it's a good data point for us.
Now the questions is when will Dell come out with their new G5 with Ryzen? They've shown it off, I just can't find it anywhere locally in South Africa.
Hi. Great video! Are you gonna do a battery life test in daily use?
Holy fuck this was a bloodbath. This is actually fucking nuts.
I actually want the 4800H without a dGPU for a pure workstation/endurance laptop. gaming is for my desktop at home. I could be converted to an ex-GPU setup given the performance gains.
Btw, I really like the segmented timeline on the video :)
if you don't mind, can u add visual studio to ur next benchmark, maybe build a website and see how long it takes,
great vids as always thank!
13:50 what a chart that is, cheers AMD! What I am excited about is the 4800U, a laptop without extra gpu will be a lot more affordable and of course with lower power consumption even more efficiency! Have an R5 3600 in my desktop, crazy to think I'll have more cores (with SMT!) in my laptop if I can get one of those...
I have the Asus G14 with the 4800HS that I use for photo and video editing, light excel computing and of course gaming. This processor is amazing.
sat waiting on a Ryzen 4600u to come out and be tested. a 6 core 12 thread would be good for my current workload (documentation based work and movie watching) when travelling. something Thin and light which doesnt get stupidly warm. would be nice to see how the new AMD CPUs compare in this segment to the intel offerings and hopefully at a cheaper price point too
I just ordered the 17” variant with the same specs, although mine only has 32GB of RAM. Unfortunately I didn’t realize the 17” was a pre order so I have to wait til may 11th. But I am genuinely excited, as this will be my 1st amd
cpu since the windows ME days.
Only 32 gigs? That’s a luxury man!
@@ishan21212 i said "only" because the one he reviewed has 64. Shit my main gaming PC "only" has 32GB as well. lulz
Thanks for Great Review of Ryzen 4800H
do you recommend 4800H for 4K Editing?
Welcome back to Harbour Box
Just commented on it in another video earlier. As for now, as soon as you put a ryzen processor in a laptop you can say goodbye to thunderbolt connectivity. For some that makes buying Ryzen laptops impossible unfortunately. Not often enough commented on from our TH-cam sites like Hardware Unboxed, LTT, Jayztwocents among others. Please let that show in the reviews going forward as well, otherwise getting it implemented will take forever and ever..
Thanks for the great review regardless!
You mean to request AMD build faster transfer speed product like a thunderbolt use type-c port ?
@@claritoresdiano1021 hmm? I mean to say you rarely see thunderbolt connections on amd motherboards (some high end ones have it, like the taichi models for desktop). For People in music production thunderbolt is a big plus to have, meaning you're stuck with intel.
Nice to see a GCC bench.
I got this processor this month
keep in mind that the asus Tuf here has 2 x m.2 nvme slots, so even tho it doesn't have TB3, u could connect an m.2 egpu to the extra port. Imagine a ryzen 4800H paired with a desktop RTX2070 without the TB3 performance loss!
This is only their first iteration, damn. Performance is harder to increase, but efficiency gains are periodic and consistent. In 3 years, we could see the same performance in a 15W envelope, possibly more performance.
As for the iGPU on Ryzen APUs it is important for efficiency. The nvidia discreet GPU is used just when needed and left resting when not.
An Igpu comparison would also be interesting
I hope that the 4900H would be the most popular chip in the mobile market, as it is easily the best out there. Don't want it to get overshadowed by the two APUs tested in this video.
Hi, what model is the LG monitor used in your live streams?
When you "caption" a meme into existence using a t-shirt... Brilliant!
Any more AMD laptops? It’s been a while since your last laptop review?
It might be useful to add some desktop parts into the review for reference. These might be good enough to forgo buying a desktop in some use cases.
Too bad intel is PAYING manufacturers not to release laptop with high end GPUs + Zen2...
@Hardware Unboxed Is there any chance of any long sleeves in the Merch store?
i miss energy consumption in idle and under different load etc. something, to some people, most important with laptops. also, can you undervolt the ryzen apu's?
You can't tweak Ryzen Laptops..... yet. AMD is supposedly leaving it up to the OEMs for making their own software for overclocking, undervolting, ect. So if someone made a third party software, that would be great.
@@ahmadzabeer983 the problem is board partner limitation design, some brand when you put very low voltage or wrong voltage the system begin unstable it could be kill or short componen in the motherboard.
that's why oem's choose locked overcloking and undervolting.
We don't know the right oem standart voltage, we don't know thermal limitation per component, we don't know maksimum load, less information.
we got Info from someone already done an experiment then we can't just copy and paste put into system
Hope they're tuning system to the maximum limit at lower voltage before bring out to the market.
Honestly hoping OEM's are now seeing that zen 2 is actually a superior product and include them in their next product revisions.
It would be nice to see a benchmark for Divinci Resolve (Free edition) as it does NOT use GPU for encoding so that would allow you to remove the GPU differences from the equation and MANY people use the Free edition...I'm jussayin...
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Please can you add Topaz Video Enchanced Ai and Gigapixel Ai Benchmark. Also the DXO Denoise Prime raw to jpg.
Btw why no temperature and power comparison?
The new 4000 series are amazing but I'm going to stick with my 3500u for now and wait for the next series with Navi graphics
To add to this list the honor magickbook pro 2020 AMD Ryzen 7 4800H, 16gb ram & 512 SSD with windows 10 pro all for €872 (shipping included) the absolute beast of a laptop I'm getting.
Also a comparison video among the desktop counterparts/equivalents please...
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Small detail, but you messed up the color legend on that graph. Couldn't keep me from appreciating the glory that is Zen 2