I ended up with a 5700 laptop, because at the time (1 month ago) 5800s were as rare as hens teeth - and I couldn't wait for stock. Regardless of zen 2 vs zen 3 - the 15W performance is very impressive. I'm running a couple of VMs - and the fan rarely kicks in.
Same problem here I'm going to have: every non-gaming laptop I see has 5700U, and everything that includes 5800U is a gamer laptop, and 5600U is like non-existent. :( I'm so disappointed in laptops right now, and I so hate having to buy Zen 2 because there's nothing else available. I've been a fan of AMD since Zen 3, and I'm a fan of large CPU caches, and 5700U has only half the amount of what 5800U does. :( Way to step back in time like a remastered 4700U with a confusing new name.
I think AMD just found their bread and butter: releasing new Zen architecture while also having older gen Ryzen procressors to fall back on for any value propositions.
@@bsh7390 Nobody "hurrays". If I want 4000 I buy 4000. If they bring 4000 to the market when I won't go under 5000 then can fcuk themselves. Oh is it priced like a legit 5000 series? They can now fcuck themselves twice as hard. If 35% of their potential customers said this by not buying anything, they may understand this in a year or so. They already cashed double during pandemics, right?
@@bsh7390 I don't like it when anyone does it, but they kind of need to because consumers are a bit dumb on average. They don't want to buy the 4000 series when the 5000 series is available, even if the 4000 series parts are still good. For every person like us they annoy they probably gain 100 sales. So they'd be stupid not to do it.
@@bsh7390 the problem is when companies do what Nvidia did, release parts with the same model number from different generations claiming equivalent performance. Then they arbitrarily dropped support for one variant claiming it was Windows 8 only. People can protest but when the market doesn't care, we need to NOT make assumptions based on a marketing number and look at model specifics. Since this video using 8 Zen2 in low power configs has occurred in new designs, the compact cores have some advantages. Having an 5700u the performance still impresses in a cool running unit with good battery life. It really doesn't matter which core design does it.
I too have a 5500U but its paired with Nvidia 1650 graphics so it can run even AAA games fairly well without the CPU getting too hot like other gaming laptops due to low power cpu
@@ugrasergun Nah you're just plain wrong. And I'm not gonna argue with that. 4750G is marketed as CPU in online marketplace. Even if it is indeed an APU. For example, everyone is calling Ryzen 5900HS as a CPU, despite it has APU inside. And yet, in reality, it is often paired with Discrete GPU like RTX 3000 Mobile series
Usually for $900 you're lucky to get a discrete GPU. So yes I would say low to midrange. Laptops are always more expensive than a do it yourself desktop. But hey you're paying for the portability.
@@cool_bug_facts yeah right now but normally no. Normally the deal is far worse. But still even now, you're better off paying for a more expensive GPU as at least it can be upgraded. With a laptop what you got is all you get. Only exception being that one by Framework. Remember that GPU still has value when you get rid of it so it can subsidize the cost of the new one a bit. It's not as much like old consoles where you lose all your old games when you move on.
In my country, gaming laptops are still more expensive than consumer laptops (notebook, ultrabook, convertible), but gaming laptops' prices are relatively stagnant and even going down for a few varieties meanwhile consumer laptops' prices are going higher than last year thus make them worth less than gaming laptops. My point is most people still couldn't afford a gaming laptop while the laptop they could afford has even less worth day by day.
I happen to have both the old 4500U and "newer" 5700U in Lenovo laptops. Both are great low cost moderate performance thin and lights. Picked up both for about $450usd each and my kids use them for school.
@@amystery5238 @A Mystery I have been using HP laptops for over 10 years. I started with the Pavilion series, had HP compaq's, later the envy series and elitebook. They definitely had a dip in form in the mid 2010s but have bounced back in the past two years. The one I bought has plastic chassis but solid construction. The screen is 250 nits but is thin edge IPS, and I am pleasantly surprised by it. I ran it full tilt and it doesn't go above 60'C since the Ryzen cpu's are quite efficient. The battery is but on the shorter side, 42 Wh, but manageable. I can push it to 6ish hours with mixed usage. The keyboard is alright and useable. The trackpad is bit small but very responsive, haven't had issues with it.
@@amystery5238 I took a gamble on this model and also because the retailer had generous return policy. This laptop has another model number on hp's website. Apparently, hp is sharing the core among many laptops, the difference is the chassis and build quality. I am satisfied with my purchase and got what I was looking for as my preference is usually function over form.
Lisa Su and Pat Gelsinger have Dinner in a Restaurant Gelsinger: *Puts a beautiful little box onto the table* Su: "For me?" Gelsinger: "Open It" Su: *Opens the case. An I7 1165G7 is inside* Gelsinger: "Try to beat it" Su: "Uh, what a surprise. I'm totally unprepared for a present like this" Su: *Starts digging in her handbag* Su: *She gets a fluffy and dusty Ryzen 7 4800U out of her purse, blows and wipes it clean.* Su: "I'm sorry. That 18 months old last-gen piece is the only I have at the moment for you in return. Let me rebrand it for you" Gelsinger: *Jumps up from the chair and runs out of the restaurant crying*
It's the system makers who pressure AMD to do it, especially with these CPUs I think. They want a new number every year, and it's quite dumb. AMD doesn't usually re-brand its CPUs in such a confusing or unnecessary way, certainly not for desktop.
@@ramseychong8787 when you think about it, it's real impressive that they were able to stay competitive for so long against ryzen while using the "same" 6 year old skylake node and I'm sure they would've stagnated if ryzen hadn't shown up, so let's hope that intel doesn't fall too far behind to keep AMD from slackin off :)
@@whiffa5438 well that "staying competitive on that node for too long has cost team blue so much that they lost the ground to AMD. Its like in racing, if you hang on for too long on the soft tyres and don’t pit on time, you will lose time + lose the race. Tbh Intel got greedy and paid the price. WELL DESERVED defeat.
@@ramseychong8787 hey, they might've lost the last few generational battles and even some more to come. but as long as they get back on their feet so there's competition in the cpu market, I'm fine with it
I have a 5700U laptop, I obtained it on a deal in June and in use it's hard to believe the CPU is just 15W. Somewhere I read that they could produce the 5700U in final form to OEMs before the Zen3 parts were available, so whether they really use 7nm wafers for these rather than Zen3 is less clear. Thus OEMs were guaranteed 5x00 products, far more marketable sooner than if they had been purer. This is NOT the same as using the same model number for 2 supposedly equally performant products based on old/new designs or cost paring post reviews
@@Thamjeed7 I'd say that the battery life is pretty okay. I mainly use it for school and it lasts about 5-6 hours on heavy usage(Google meet on the foreground + discord and Spotify on the background). I normally have about 8 hours of school so I need to charge it before the last 2 periods. Performance is top notch. I play valorant with my friends and the average fps is right around 90-110(I also use a laptop cooler). Display has been pretty great so far. It has good sunlight legibility and the colors look pretty good too. I didn't have too much backlight bleed on my unit and the contrast was awesome for watching movies. The modern 15 has a 39whr and a 52whr variant, don't buy the 39whr variant. And tbh, the speakers aren't anything special. In my experience, they were pretty quiet when I was using them in a semi-loud environment, I didn't notice this very much because I always use headphones but your mileage may vary. The build quality is extremely good too, I didn't notice any flex on the laptop. Hmu if you want to know anything else
Man, been seeing it for some time now, but I have to drop it in a comment: Really love the testing suite you use. It gives a perspective for almost all use cases!
I was confused why they'd go about this, but it turns out the die size of the Zen3 APU is about 12% bigger than the Zen2 APU. That kind of makes sense if you want to maximise market share and fulfill orders if you can get 10% more dies out of the same wafer.
Got the 5700U about a month or two ago from Lenovo with their Ideapad 3 2021. Pretty amazing little CPU for the price considering the laptop with 12GB of RAM was only €550 with taxes and shipping included.
Wow this video is all i needed to make my decisions, ig the only way you guys can improve your videos is by adding even more applications tests, other than that this video is stacked
Bought the 5700u laptop (ASUS TM420UA) on early June this year. Already knew that it was not a zen 3 long before May, but could not find any zen 3 untill August (5600u, even 5800u hasnt arrived to this date). I found out that sometimes it teared the audio and frame rates. Maybe it is just the unit I purchased and not all units, but overall I like it, too bad it wasnt 5800u which is still on my top list.
@@iraklimgeladze5223 Well, it's just a year old. Still pretty new to me. If AMD has a lot of 7nm to use, maybe they will consider to make another ultra-low power SKUs.
The Zenbook is ridiculously good value. 5000 series APU, 16GB LPDDR5, 1080p OLED display with Pantone Colour Accuracy certification, decently speedy NVMe SSD, a trackpad that doesn't suck, exceptionally good battery life (especially in power save mode), and a snazzy light design. All for less than $1000 and far less than that for the lowest spec'ced models. ASUS really hit the nail with this one. I have the 5800U/512GB model, btw, and I love it to bits.
I don't play games on laptops. Out of curiosity, how long is a typical turn time for Civ on a laptop? Times on my desktop for Civ VI never go over a few seconds.
@@qwkimball I've played civ 6 anthology on my laptop with this cpu and it never went more than a few seconds. I could run the benchmark and see what it spits out
I enjoy the power efficiency I'm getting. Not a heavy gamer but do web development and some ui/ux modle design in react... But play green hell once in a while too.. Got mine in a lonovo ideapad 5 amd ryzen 7-5700u w/ 32GB RAM and 1tb m. 2... Gaming on battery I get 7 hr and just productivity about 10 and 1/2 hours... Not bad. Definitely a upgrade to my Samsung galaxy book s laptop... The arm chipaet isn't good for me.. Can't run python or pytorch... Anyways, thought I'd share.. Thanks for taking the time to make this video👍
Good informative video once again. I wonder if them continuing to use their 7nm allocation for repurposing Zen 2 chips is because AMD is moving on to 6 and 5 nm nodes for 2022. BTW, do you think AMD will finally put their I/O chip on 7nm for 2022 with TSMC or will they continue making them with the larger nodes at GF? Maybe they'll split them? Laptop I/O chips at TSMC and desktop I/O chips at GF?
You said PC-Mark 10 tests things like Performance on Web Browsing, app loading etc and is heavily influenced by single core performance. Does that mean the average buyer who doesn't buy laptops for gaming, video editing and other complex applications should be more concerned about the single core performance of the processor?
Everyone: AMD is finally unifying their naming scheme so everything on the 5000 series uses Zen 3, including their APUs and mobile processors! Ryzen 3 5300U/Ryzen 5 5500U/Ryzen 7 5700U: hold my beer
I have tons of stuff open on my laptop at the same time, a browser with 20 tabs, word, excel and PDFs open at the same time. I think for my use case, more cores are better.
And RAM.... the higher 2667 and 3200mhz ddr4 are what's keeping your unit peppy, alongside those 8C/16T. I lucked out on a 1K unit for 450$ this weekend. Just trying to upgrade ram to at least 16gb. I started looking at Ryzen 3, then Ryz 5... ended up with a 7 😆 (without knowing abt this Zen 2 n 3 business). It's my first AMD unit. *It seems Zen 3 DOES support ECC RAM and 1.35v ram.
@@bigcazza5260 Yeah no that 9700 is one of the worst value processors. Gets shit on by my 5900x and gets much worse frame times. You should have got a 9900k that's a real decent chip from Intel.
@@XxViciousxX gets shit on by 5900x. the 5900x came out after the 9700kf, the 9700kf matches the 9900k which matches the 10700k if not beats it due to the smaller ringbus, im on a higher level of OC knowledge than u, still cant hold a flame to haswell 4.85ghz avx2 kek
I’m the proud owner of a HP with the 5700U-a 15s-eq2298AU that I bought last week during the EOFY sales and enjoy playing Hogwarts Legacy with FSR2 enabled and most other settings at their lowest.
Smart marketing by AMD. I had no idea the 5700U was just a rebranded 4800U. I thought it was just a 5800U without hyperthreading. I'm looking at some thin and light options right now and the Asus Vivobook 15 OLED is at the top of my list cause of the OLED and is $900. But it has the 5700U. The other Lenovo Xiaoxin 15 Pro I'm looking at has the 5800U but is $1000 and has an IPS. However, it has a much larger 70 Wh battery (Vivobook 15 only has 45 Wr, but has energy efficient OLED display).
I got an ASUS oem laptop with Ryzen 5 3500u a few years ago. I originally bought it because I thought it was Zen 2 but it turned out to be Zen+. I wish AMD wouldn't do that trickery with model numbers! It's a great little laptop for the price... I got it for about $440 USD early 2020. It's the budget model with 8Gb of ram (I upgraded it to 12gb), a 500gb ssd (upgraded to have a 2nd 1Tb mechanical drive) and a really crappy 720p screen! If it weren't for the screen I'd recommend it because it was so cheap. The main thing is it's compatible with windows 11!
Would have been interesting to see how the Intel equivalents fare on price. Often, when the performance is close for roughly equivalent laptops with Intel and AMD processors, it comes down to typical retail pricing for said machines.
This is still a good laptop CPU overall. At least until Intel released 12th Gen laptop CPU which will (likely) make AMD CPU engineering department have to work harder again.
No mention of battery life.. shame I guess it's not easy to compare against different systems. But i do wonder 4800u vs 5700u batterylife, whether AMD has actually done anything.
Battery life was improved. As a general rule- it is normal for Lucienne (5500U, 5700U, etc.) laptops to show very, very good battery life, much better than laptops with 4000U series had. And for a direct comparison- Notebookcheck has a Ideapad 5 5500U review, that uses the same chassis as 4500U model (which they have also reviewed, and have in the charts)- with 5500U showing improved battery life in the same chassis.
As much hate the 4 core 8 thread 11375H gets, rather have that over anything that isn't a 5800U for the "low end" . These are entry level chips, not the best ones, 11375H is faster than a Ryzen 3 3300X in singlethread perfomance and half the TDP.
Man now idk if I should buy a Laptop with a Ryzen 5 5500U now...but the model I found is 700€ with 16gigs of ram and 512gb ssd, and it would be for Uni if I buy it, so ig it's still a decent buy or am i wrong?
Should be fine for Uni, you're mostly gonna be using Word, Chrome, etc right? If you're going for something code heavy it might be a good idea to see if you can find a 5800U but I think you'll be just fine. It's still 6 Zen2 cores
@@churchseraphim1380 I will be studying business informatics, but I have no idea what kind of coding I will be doing. I am just not sure if my current laptop (has an i5 4200U) will hold up with all of it, plus a new one is lighter than one from 2013, so I was considering one with a Ryzen 5 5500U, since they seem reasonably priced - but even if the coding workloads are a bit heavier, it should do fine or?
@@alexj.f.kennedy6084 5500U should be able to do most coding very well. I wouldn't expect you to have a problem. Tbh I wouldn't expect you to have too many problems on your i5 either. I guess it depends on the projects but I wouldn't think a 5500U would struggle with any projects. It won't be as fast at compiling code but it'll still be fast Even for a CS student you'll likely be alright on a relatively old machine. I'd pay more attention to the keyboard and screen over the CPU. You can just leave the computer sit longer for programming but having to interact on a bad keyboard or a screen too small or bad is going to be rly uncomfortable for long periods of time
@@churchseraphim1380 In case of screen it would be an Upgrade from a 1366×786 TN Panel to a 1080p IPS screen, so i think thats okay. Can't say much about the keyboard, but i am using an Acer Aspire rn and the new one would be another Acer Apsire, so ig the keyboard would pretty much stay the same except that the new one has backlighting. I was gonna try to use my current one first and try out how it will fair with what am gonna do, I am just looking for alternative choices already in case it won't hold up well and that one came to my eye, its almost 200€ cheaper than a thinkpad but pretty much has the same specs so ye (am talking about the Acer Aspire 5 A515-45-R6JZ model) and so far my experience with acer has been decent, so would consider that. I have seen reviews of the model but with the intel config, but I think the keyboard and screen shouldnt be all to different and the reviews said that they are fine for working and dont feel awful, just that u shouldn't to color accurate video or photo editing. But I appreciate the help!
No not at all. This is a PC related channel. Things that run x86 programs via an emulation/translation layer are not really interesting. The Apple eco system is only comparable to itself.
@@andersjjensen this channel is definitely x86 focused but if you want a thin and light many of those apps will run everywhere. For someone like myself whose apps run across Linux, mac and windows it would be nice to see. Dave2D summed it it recently saying that if you are recommending thin and light laptops you really can’t ignore the new MacBooks.
@@dkerr200 I don't care if Dave2D thinks you can't ignore Apple. I certainly can. The OS is frustrating even to people used to UNIX like OSes, the price is absurd and the upgradeability/repairability is zero. Not to mention the incompatibility issues you run into unless you want to shell out for a Windows license on top of the already stupid hardware cost. For 99% of people who aren't already locked into the Apple ecosystem a Zenbook or similar is the obvious and sane choice.
>TFW This Is The Only Ryzen 5000 Series (Alongside 5500u And 5300u) In Stock In Indonesia (There's Only 2 Laptop Using The 5600u Available Here And No 5800u Either)
I have the exact same but I struggle to get 60 fps in Rocket League 1080p all settings low. All of my games perform horribly compared to what is shown in benchmarks from people who have the same system configuration as me. Did you do anything to the computer out of the box to make it perform like it is in this video?
My current laptop has the R7 5700U, and frankly for the price I paid, I don't have much to complain about. It's still a solid performer, and I still rather have it over Intel. Though having Zen 3 would still be nice.
The key part I think is missing, notebook OEMs are now doing a better job of designing AMD laptops so the 5700u laptop today performs better than the 4800u laptop of last year. I wanted my 13.3 inch OLED Asus to come with the 5800u, but could only get it with the 5700u and I am very impressed with the performance and the overall laptop design
AMD: "We're going to skip to 5000 series so all of the products in the stack are on the same architecture." Also AMD: "here's Zen 2 on 5000 series, hope y'all don't buy it expecting a better Zen 3 product"
> AMD: "We're going to skip to 5000 series so all of the products in the stack are on the same architecture." They never, ever said that. People misunderstood and mischaracterized AMD's announcement of the 5000 series /zen 3 the way as they wanted.
@@pawanyadav9854 No. Their motive was simply sell newer product with higher leading number. First 4000 launch was 8 months old when 5000 series landed.
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Best. Thumbnail. Ever.
I was actually laughing intensly
Yes!
I wish the ol' stache was photoshopped in xD
Omg I spit out my coffee when I saw it.
Yep, just came for the thumbnail and the comments on it - was not dissapointed!
Gonna call it "The 4800U except you can actually find one"
And with better battery life, which was not tested here.
You can if you can afford “one million dollars”
4800 U can't actually find one
@@davidlazarus67 ??
@@amashaziz2212 The thumbnail was dressed like Dr Evil.
I ended up with a 5700 laptop, because at the time (1 month ago) 5800s were as rare as hens teeth - and I couldn't wait for stock. Regardless of zen 2 vs zen 3 - the 15W performance is very impressive. I'm running a couple of VMs - and the fan rarely kicks in.
I got one too, I would have been happy with a 4000 series, but 5700G was what was on offer
Same here, got a Dell Inspiron with a 5700U inside and can’t believe how quiet the thing is.
same scenario with me
same, got an Hp pavilion 15 with the 5700u, fan only kicks in when doing power intensive tasks on performance mode
Same problem here I'm going to have: every non-gaming laptop I see has 5700U, and everything that includes 5800U is a gamer laptop, and 5600U is like non-existent. :( I'm so disappointed in laptops right now, and I so hate having to buy Zen 2 because there's nothing else available. I've been a fan of AMD since Zen 3, and I'm a fan of large CPU caches, and 5700U has only half the amount of what 5800U does. :( Way to step back in time like a remastered 4700U with a confusing new name.
I think AMD just found their bread and butter: releasing new Zen architecture while also having older gen Ryzen procressors to fall back on for any value propositions.
That was the exact reasoning they even dared to communicate during the release of the 5000 series Ryzens.
intel did that : fuck intel what a scammer naming scheme
amd did that : hurray amd is our savior thanks amd
@@bsh7390 Nobody "hurrays". If I want 4000 I buy 4000. If they bring 4000 to the market when I won't go under 5000 then can fcuk themselves. Oh is it priced like a legit 5000 series? They can now fcuck themselves twice as hard.
If 35% of their potential customers said this by not buying anything, they may understand this in a year or so. They already cashed double during pandemics, right?
@@bsh7390 I don't like it when anyone does it, but they kind of need to because consumers are a bit dumb on average. They don't want to buy the 4000 series when the 5000 series is available, even if the 4000 series parts are still good. For every person like us they annoy they probably gain 100 sales. So they'd be stupid not to do it.
@@bsh7390 the problem is when companies do what Nvidia did, release parts with the same model number from different generations claiming equivalent performance. Then they arbitrarily dropped support for one variant claiming it was Windows 8 only.
People can protest but when the market doesn't care, we need to NOT make assumptions based on a marketing number and look at model specifics.
Since this video using 8 Zen2 in low power configs has occurred in new designs, the compact cores have some advantages.
Having an 5700u the performance still impresses in a cool running unit with good battery life. It really doesn't matter which core design does it.
I just thought of my 5500u as a last gen processor but getting a 6 core $400 laptop because of that was pretty fantastic.
Insane deal!
Jealous of that absolute steal
I too have a 5500U but its paired with Nvidia 1650 graphics so it can run even AAA games fairly well without the CPU getting too hot like other gaming laptops due to low power cpu
A 5500U is basically a 4600U.... Which is still a great CPU
@@mohit9206 Bruh, you haven't used gaming laptops properly then, have you.
Oh to improve the thumbnail, make Tim bald and caption it "Frickin laser beams attached to their heads!"
If that's Ryzen 6000's stock cooler, I'm sold already
Didn't they specifically skip the 4000 series on desktop just to avoid the Zen generation confusion? 🙄
No? I've seen Ryzen 4750G in person. And yes, it is a Desktop CPU
@@ClayWheeler that's oem only. they skipped the 4000 series for enthusiast/diy
@@-........ No? You can buy Ryzen 4750G on its own. At least that's what happen here in South East Asia region.
No need to buy whole PC
@@ClayWheeler By AMD naming they're APU's not CPU
@@ugrasergun Nah you're just plain wrong. And I'm not gonna argue with that. 4750G is marketed as CPU in online marketplace. Even if it is indeed an APU.
For example, everyone is calling Ryzen 5900HS as a CPU, despite it has APU inside. And yet, in reality, it is often paired with Discrete GPU like RTX 3000 Mobile series
Wait, $900 is midrange for a laptop? Also this feels like half a review without the zen3 5600U data.
Three years ago I paid €500 for a Huawei Matebook D with a Zen 5 2500U.
These "new" laptop prices are pure madness
Usually for $900 you're lucky to get a discrete GPU. So yes I would say low to midrange. Laptops are always more expensive than a do it yourself desktop. But hey you're paying for the portability.
@@cool_bug_facts yeah right now but normally no. Normally the deal is far worse. But still even now, you're better off paying for a more expensive GPU as at least it can be upgraded. With a laptop what you got is all you get. Only exception being that one by Framework. Remember that GPU still has value when you get rid of it so it can subsidize the cost of the new one a bit. It's not as much like old consoles where you lose all your old games when you move on.
In my country, gaming laptops are still more expensive than consumer laptops (notebook, ultrabook, convertible), but gaming laptops' prices are relatively stagnant and even going down for a few varieties meanwhile consumer laptops' prices are going higher than last year thus make them worth less than gaming laptops.
My point is most people still couldn't afford a gaming laptop while the laptop they could afford has even less worth day by day.
This "mid-range" laptop has an OLED display though.
I really appreciate that you guys do scientific applications like matlab and excel, its really hard to find on hardware reviews.
I happen to have both the old 4500U and "newer" 5700U in Lenovo laptops. Both are great low cost moderate performance thin and lights. Picked up both for about $450usd each and my kids use them for school.
Your joking. Bruh my mom bought an Intel machine which has a 1035G1 and only a 720p screen for $800US. I was in pain when I heard the price
Calling a 5700u moderate performance.... Seriously that thing is multitasking monster...
"Moderate" lol
damn man 5700u is an absolute banger
450 bucks for a 5700u? that is a steal. or you must be kidding?
As a student, I got 5500U for 480 euros w/16gb ram and 500gb nvme ssd storage. Bang for buck product.
Which one
@@wxyzz hp 15s-eq2152ng. I upgraded the RAM and NVME on my own, but the seller later had this config in stock for 499.
@@amystery5238 @A Mystery I have been using HP laptops for over 10 years. I started with the Pavilion series, had HP compaq's, later the envy series and elitebook. They definitely had a dip in form in the mid 2010s but have bounced back in the past two years. The one I bought has plastic chassis but solid construction. The screen is 250 nits but is thin edge IPS, and I am pleasantly surprised by it. I ran it full tilt and it doesn't go above 60'C since the Ryzen cpu's are quite efficient. The battery is but on the shorter side, 42 Wh, but manageable. I can push it to 6ish hours with mixed usage. The keyboard is alright and useable. The trackpad is bit small but very responsive, haven't had issues with it.
@@amystery5238 I took a gamble on this model and also because the retailer had generous return policy. This laptop has another model number on hp's website. Apparently, hp is sharing the core among many laptops, the difference is the chassis and build quality. I am satisfied with my purchase and got what I was looking for as my preference is usually function over form.
@@amystery5238 All the best.
Lisa Su and Pat Gelsinger have Dinner in a Restaurant
Gelsinger: *Puts a beautiful little box onto the table*
Su: "For me?"
Gelsinger: "Open It"
Su: *Opens the case. An I7 1165G7 is inside*
Gelsinger: "Try to beat it"
Su: "Uh, what a surprise. I'm totally unprepared for a present like this"
Su: *Starts digging in her handbag*
Su: *She gets a fluffy and dusty Ryzen 7 4800U out of her purse, blows and wipes it clean.*
Su: "I'm sorry. That 18 months old last-gen piece is the only I have at the moment for you in return. Let me rebrand it for you"
Gelsinger: *Jumps up from the chair and runs out of the restaurant crying*
I'm hooked, can't wait for episode 2.
Releasing old hardware as "New" is the most 14nm thing I have ever seen! 😏
It's the system makers who pressure AMD to do it, especially with these CPUs I think. They want a new number every year, and it's quite dumb. AMD doesn't usually re-brand its CPUs in such a confusing or unnecessary way, certainly not for desktop.
@@syncmonism I'm not sure which system manufacturer pressured Intel to release all those 14nm++++++++++++ 😏
@@ramseychong8787 when you think about it, it's real impressive that they were able to stay competitive for so long against ryzen while using the "same" 6 year old skylake node
and I'm sure they would've stagnated if ryzen hadn't shown up, so let's hope that intel doesn't fall too far behind to keep AMD from slackin off :)
@@whiffa5438 well that "staying competitive on that node for too long has cost team blue so much that they lost the ground to AMD. Its like in racing, if you hang on for too long on the soft tyres and don’t pit on time, you will lose time + lose the race. Tbh Intel got greedy and paid the price. WELL DESERVED defeat.
@@ramseychong8787 hey, they might've lost the last few generational battles and even some more to come. but as long as they get back on their feet so there's competition in the cpu market, I'm fine with it
I don't care about these new CPUs, that said I clicked on this video because of the thumbnail, awesome and funny stuff,,keep it up and peace.
same, sadly clickbait, didn't see his mutated head
>"I clicked on the video just because of the thumbnail, not because I really care."
How does it feel to be the cancer that's feeding the algorithm?
@@chuuni6924 If it helps my buds from down under so be it.
I have a 5700U laptop, I obtained it on a deal in June and in use it's hard to believe the CPU is just 15W.
Somewhere I read that they could produce the 5700U in final form to OEMs before the Zen3 parts were available, so whether they really use 7nm wafers for these rather than Zen3 is less clear. Thus OEMs were guaranteed 5x00 products, far more marketable sooner than if they had been purer.
This is NOT the same as using the same model number for 2 supposedly equally performant products based on old/new designs or cost paring post reviews
Hey! I just bought the MSI Modern 15 with the 5700u. Awesome to see you guys upload a video on it
How is the performance bro? battery life.. display and overall?
@@Thamjeed7 I'd say that the battery life is pretty okay. I mainly use it for school and it lasts about 5-6 hours on heavy usage(Google meet on the foreground + discord and Spotify on the background). I normally have about 8 hours of school so I need to charge it before the last 2 periods. Performance is top notch. I play valorant with my friends and the average fps is right around 90-110(I also use a laptop cooler). Display has been pretty great so far. It has good sunlight legibility and the colors look pretty good too. I didn't have too much backlight bleed on my unit and the contrast was awesome for watching movies. The modern 15 has a 39whr and a 52whr variant, don't buy the 39whr variant. And tbh, the speakers aren't anything special. In my experience, they were pretty quiet when I was using them in a semi-loud environment, I didn't notice this very much because I always use headphones but your mileage may vary. The build quality is extremely good too, I didn't notice any flex on the laptop. Hmu if you want to know anything else
There's also new zen1 CPUs now. The "Dali" Athlon 3150U. Released in 2020
They really trashed the Athlon trademark to the point where they don't even use Sempron for lower end products.
5600u vs 5700u would be interesting, cache vs core tim edition?
I think they just should have name it the 4900U or 4850u
to name it similar to the newer gen is just scummy.
But OEMs want to sell products, once 5000 launched 4000 was dead as a desirable product.
Man, been seeing it for some time now, but I have to drop it in a comment: Really love the testing suite you use. It gives a perspective for almost all use cases!
I was confused why they'd go about this, but it turns out the die size of the Zen3 APU is about 12% bigger than the Zen2 APU. That kind of makes sense if you want to maximise market share and fulfill orders if you can get 10% more dies out of the same wafer.
hm
Got the 5700U about a month or two ago from Lenovo with their Ideapad 3 2021. Pretty amazing little CPU for the price considering the laptop with 12GB of RAM was only €550 with taxes and shipping included.
Bro, where are you from tho...In my country, it's hella expensive😭
@@blackwatcha1984 right now it's around €175 more. You really got to wait for the right sale. No way around it.
5700u is the diet coke of ZEN. Still ZEN, not quite ZEN enough.
Wow this video is all i needed to make my decisions, ig the only way you guys can improve your videos is by adding even more applications tests, other than that this video is stacked
Lisa Su: Wanna see a magic trick?
Randy Pitchford: Hey! That's my line!
Ah, min-tim-me! I feel so "refreshed" seeing you. I'll see myself out.
Thumbnail Gold medal. Bravo!
Might aswell join the gang in saying - Best frikkin thumbnail ever.
Bought the 5700u laptop (ASUS TM420UA) on early June this year. Already knew that it was not a zen 3 long before May, but could not find any zen 3 untill August (5600u, even 5800u hasnt arrived to this date). I found out that sometimes it teared the audio and frame rates. Maybe it is just the unit I purchased and not all units, but overall I like it, too bad it wasnt 5800u which is still on my top list.
I'm rather fed up with renaming older stuff and the whole massive chip shortage. Must drive you guys nuts. Stay safe anyway.
Still waiting for zen 3 5980HX laptop model with 3080 for you to review...
The thumbnail wars are strong right now
Thanks for sharing,good information for all.
Wow and how about it mirroring the RX 480 and RX 570 in terms of similar performance? AMD, you've done it again!
That 19 minutes is just ""beating around the bush""
That thumbnail is the best thing I've seen this week!
Im excited for the Rhembrandt 6800h with 12 compute units of RDNA 2. Looking to get a thin & light ultrabook.
Have you altered your sound level? Your voice seems to have a lot of base in it recently?
just one question who makes and sells a 5800u laptop? they don't as far as I can see they skip over it to the h series apu's
I think AMD should have 6 watt variant for casual users.
Because we can get rid of fans, which increase serviceable for casual users
AMD does have 6W SKUs, e.g. Athlon Silver 3050e. Maybe used in Chromebooks but I'm not sure.
@@gamtax I mean something new. That one is 14nm and 2 cores.
@@iraklimgeladze5223 Well, it's just a year old. Still pretty new to me. If AMD has a lot of 7nm to use, maybe they will consider to make another ultra-low power SKUs.
@@gamtax I can't call selling old technology new one
@@iraklimgeladze5223 Suit yourself. Besides, they also released some in this year too. But the naming seems they are for embedded devices.
The Zenbook is ridiculously good value. 5000 series APU, 16GB LPDDR5, 1080p OLED display with Pantone Colour Accuracy certification, decently speedy NVMe SSD, a trackpad that doesn't suck, exceptionally good battery life (especially in power save mode), and a snazzy light design. All for less than $1000 and far less than that for the lowest spec'ced models. ASUS really hit the nail with this one.
I have the 5800U/512GB model, btw, and I love it to bits.
How's the battery life after a year?
@@marwanbaz5885 About 9½-10 hours of streaming
As a Civ player I care more about turn times than FPS.
I don't play games on laptops. Out of curiosity, how long is a typical turn time for Civ on a laptop? Times on my desktop for Civ VI never go over a few seconds.
@@qwkimball I've played civ 6 anthology on my laptop with this cpu and it never went more than a few seconds. I could run the benchmark and see what it spits out
So what about battery life on this notebook?
Someone should make a supercut where Dr. Evil Tim just says product names for an hour.
I enjoy the power efficiency I'm getting. Not a heavy gamer but do web development and some ui/ux modle design in react... But play green hell once in a while too..
Got mine in a lonovo ideapad 5 amd ryzen 7-5700u w/ 32GB RAM and 1tb m. 2... Gaming on battery I get 7 hr and just productivity about 10 and 1/2 hours... Not bad. Definitely a upgrade to my Samsung galaxy book s laptop... The arm chipaet isn't good for me.. Can't run python or pytorch... Anyways, thought I'd share.. Thanks for taking the time to make this video👍
In a game like civilition VI, it would be better to bench AI turn time. Instead of frame rate.
You've now outdone Steve's disgusted thumbnail. Bravo
Thanks for your help
Good informative video once again. I wonder if them continuing to use their 7nm allocation for repurposing Zen 2 chips is because AMD is moving on to 6 and 5 nm nodes for 2022.
BTW, do you think AMD will finally put their I/O chip on 7nm for 2022 with TSMC or will they continue making them with the larger nodes at GF? Maybe they'll split them? Laptop I/O chips at TSMC and desktop I/O chips at GF?
Best...Thumbnail... EVER.
All of those benchmark in real life Single Core is the most important.
Most apps only optimized to use 4 cores.
12:14 That unintentional rhyme :'D
You said PC-Mark 10 tests things like Performance on Web Browsing, app loading etc and is heavily influenced by single core performance. Does that mean the average buyer who doesn't buy laptops for gaming, video editing and other complex applications should be more concerned about the single core performance of the processor?
Got it. Odd # U is Zen2, even is Zen3.
Yes. In 4000U series, odd numbers were with SMT disabled, and even numbers were with SMT enabled.
Everyone: AMD is finally unifying their naming scheme so everything on the 5000 series uses Zen 3, including their APUs and mobile processors!
Ryzen 3 5300U/Ryzen 5 5500U/Ryzen 7 5700U: hold my beer
Lol I didn't see it coming
I shall call him.. Mini Tim
I have tons of stuff open on my laptop at the same time, a browser with 20 tabs, word, excel and PDFs open at the same time. I think for my use case, more cores are better.
And RAM.... the higher 2667 and 3200mhz ddr4 are what's keeping your unit peppy, alongside those 8C/16T. I lucked out on a 1K unit for 450$ this weekend. Just trying to upgrade ram to at least 16gb. I started looking at Ryzen 3, then Ryz 5... ended up with a 7 😆 (without knowing abt this Zen 2 n 3 business). It's my first AMD unit.
*It seems Zen 3 DOES support ECC RAM and 1.35v ram.
I don't care about laptops, but with that thumbnail, you totally deserved my like :D
Would love to see similar reviews with the ryzen 5500u and 5600u
If you get the chance to get them
if zen 2 couldnt beat skylake core for core it was never going to beat tigerlake core for core
@Rahq Vuth tell that to my spare 4690k scoring almost the same as a 3600x in CBR15 st. tell that to my 9700kf that still competes with zen 3 in games
@Rahq Vuth its not even a good bin lol, 4.7ghz at 1.4 vcore. still managed to beat zen 2, with the cheapest kit of ripjaws x 1333 jedec. kek
@@bigcazza5260 Yeah no that 9700 is one of the worst value processors. Gets shit on by my 5900x and gets much worse frame times. You should have got a 9900k that's a real decent chip from Intel.
@@XxViciousxX gets shit on by 5900x. the 5900x came out after the 9700kf, the 9700kf matches the 9900k which matches the 10700k if not beats it due to the smaller ringbus, im on a higher level of OC knowledge than u, still cant hold a flame to haswell 4.85ghz avx2 kek
@@XxViciousxX do u even know what B-Die is imbecile? if not your gimped XMP DJR is slower than me anyway
"a new coat of paint" more like a new artist name
I’m the proud owner of a HP with the 5700U-a 15s-eq2298AU that I bought last week during the EOFY sales and enjoy playing Hogwarts Legacy with FSR2 enabled and most other settings at their lowest.
Smart marketing by AMD. I had no idea the 5700U was just a rebranded 4800U. I thought it was just a 5800U without hyperthreading. I'm looking at some thin and light options right now and the Asus Vivobook 15 OLED is at the top of my list cause of the OLED and is $900. But it has the 5700U. The other Lenovo Xiaoxin 15 Pro I'm looking at has the 5800U but is $1000 and has an IPS. However, it has a much larger 70 Wh battery (Vivobook 15 only has 45 Wr, but has energy efficient OLED display).
I got an ASUS oem laptop with Ryzen 5 3500u a few years ago. I originally bought it because I thought it was Zen 2 but it turned out to be Zen+. I wish AMD wouldn't do that trickery with model numbers! It's a great little laptop for the price... I got it for about $440 USD early 2020. It's the budget model with 8Gb of ram (I upgraded it to 12gb), a 500gb ssd (upgraded to have a 2nd 1Tb mechanical drive) and a really crappy 720p screen! If it weren't for the screen I'd recommend it because it was so cheap. The main thing is it's compatible with windows 11!
3000 series apu is zen+
Would have been interesting to see how the Intel equivalents fare on price. Often, when the performance is close for roughly equivalent laptops with Intel and AMD processors, it comes down to typical retail pricing for said machines.
This is still a good laptop CPU overall. At least until Intel released 12th Gen laptop CPU which will (likely) make AMD CPU engineering department have to work harder again.
nah lol
AMDs efficiency game is on another level.
No mention of battery life.. shame
I guess it's not easy to compare against different systems. But i do wonder 4800u vs 5700u batterylife, whether AMD has actually done anything.
Battery life was improved. As a general rule- it is normal for Lucienne (5500U, 5700U, etc.) laptops to show very, very good battery life, much better than laptops with 4000U series had. And for a direct comparison- Notebookcheck has a Ideapad 5 5500U review, that uses the same chassis as 4500U model (which they have also reviewed, and have in the charts)- with 5500U showing improved battery life in the same chassis.
The thumbnail was HILARIOUS!
Where's the 'stache?
How come amd apu based systems do not support tb4/usb4 ports?
*Ryzen 7 5700U vs intel core i5 11th gen*
I'm confused. What should I choose?
obv ryzen 7
I saw 8MB Cache with Reyzon 7-5700U Processors.. In your video it mentions 12MB... Am I missing something?
8MB L3 + 4MB L2
Sir. How can i turbo boost Ryzen 7 5700u? Thank u
Gief stach please! You were our role model!
The thumbnail looks more like the weirdo popular channels with the proportions of Tim.
Hopefully it won't feel as long till the next gen
As much hate the 4 core 8 thread 11375H gets, rather have that over anything that isn't a 5800U for the "low end" . These are entry level chips, not the best ones, 11375H is faster than a Ryzen 3 3300X in singlethread perfomance and half the TDP.
Can i use mine as a second computer for streaming games at 1080 or is it too weak?
Is it good for adobe programs,
Hello miniTim or more like "Hello"
So for the U models, odd numbers = Zen 2 while Even numbers = Zen 3...
Is AMD Ryzen 7 5700u (with AMD Radeon) with 16gb RAM suitable for 3D design softwares like Revit or 3DS Max?
I only clicked for the thumbnail, imagine my disappointment that the entire video wasn't done in a mini-me outfit.
Man now idk if I should buy a Laptop with a Ryzen 5 5500U now...but the model I found is 700€ with 16gigs of ram and 512gb ssd, and it would be for Uni if I buy it, so ig it's still a decent buy or am i wrong?
Should be fine for Uni, you're mostly gonna be using Word, Chrome, etc right? If you're going for something code heavy it might be a good idea to see if you can find a 5800U but I think you'll be just fine. It's still 6 Zen2 cores
@@churchseraphim1380 I will be studying business informatics, but I have no idea what kind of coding I will be doing. I am just not sure if my current laptop (has an i5 4200U) will hold up with all of it, plus a new one is lighter than one from 2013, so I was considering one with a Ryzen 5 5500U, since they seem reasonably priced - but even if the coding workloads are a bit heavier, it should do fine or?
@@alexj.f.kennedy6084 5500U should be able to do most coding very well. I wouldn't expect you to have a problem.
Tbh I wouldn't expect you to have too many problems on your i5 either. I guess it depends on the projects but I wouldn't think a 5500U would struggle with any projects. It won't be as fast at compiling code but it'll still be fast
Even for a CS student you'll likely be alright on a relatively old machine. I'd pay more attention to the keyboard and screen over the CPU. You can just leave the computer sit longer for programming but having to interact on a bad keyboard or a screen too small or bad is going to be rly uncomfortable for long periods of time
@@churchseraphim1380 In case of screen it would be an Upgrade from a 1366×786 TN Panel to a 1080p IPS screen, so i think thats okay. Can't say much about the keyboard, but i am using an Acer Aspire rn and the new one would be another Acer Apsire, so ig the keyboard would pretty much stay the same except that the new one has backlighting. I was gonna try to use my current one first and try out how it will fair with what am gonna do, I am just looking for alternative choices already in case it won't hold up well and that one came to my eye, its almost 200€ cheaper than a thinkpad but pretty much has the same specs so ye (am talking about the Acer Aspire 5 A515-45-R6JZ model) and so far my experience with acer has been decent, so would consider that. I have seen reviews of the model but with the intel config, but I think the keyboard and screen shouldnt be all to different and the reviews said that they are fine for working and dont feel awful, just that u shouldn't to color accurate video or photo editing. But I appreciate the help!
How to you change the TDP to 25 watts?
Use apu tuning utility or ryzen controller
@@dusk5927 is their a preset for it or do u have to do that manually
@@insanefanta8025 manually
best thumbnail, best channel 👏👏👏
I think this is bad marketing. There's a certain expectation with the Ryzen 5000 name.
How did you know i was looking for a laptop with a ryzen chip?
That thumbnail is so good
Does it feel like a big omission to anyone else when testing 15W cpu's not to include an Apple m1 processor in the mix?
No not at all. This is a PC related channel. Things that run x86 programs via an emulation/translation layer are not really interesting. The Apple eco system is only comparable to itself.
@@andersjjensen this channel is definitely x86 focused but if you want a thin and light many of those apps will run everywhere. For someone like myself whose apps run across Linux, mac and windows it would be nice to see. Dave2D summed it it recently saying that if you are recommending thin and light laptops you really can’t ignore the new MacBooks.
@@dkerr200 I don't care if Dave2D thinks you can't ignore Apple. I certainly can. The OS is frustrating even to people used to UNIX like OSes, the price is absurd and the upgradeability/repairability is zero. Not to mention the incompatibility issues you run into unless you want to shell out for a Windows license on top of the already stupid hardware cost. For 99% of people who aren't already locked into the Apple ecosystem a Zenbook or similar is the obvious and sane choice.
The thumbnail made me watch this video !!!
goddammit, I just noticed the Dr Evil Photoshop on the thumbnail. :D
>TFW This Is The Only Ryzen 5000 Series (Alongside 5500u And 5300u) In Stock In Indonesia (There's Only 2 Laptop Using The 5600u Available Here And No 5800u Either)
Here in Malaysia, we are flooded with 4000 series. The only 5000 series I've seen so far is 5300U. I can spot 5800H in the wild but not 5600H.
Hello sir, can you test hp victus? Thank you.
I have the exact same but I struggle to get 60 fps in Rocket League 1080p all settings low. All of my games perform horribly compared to what is shown in benchmarks from people who have the same system configuration as me. Did you do anything to the computer out of the box to make it perform like it is in this video?
windows 11 has 40% cpu interrupt bug
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My current laptop has the R7 5700U, and frankly for the price I paid, I don't have much to complain about. It's still a solid performer, and I still rather have it over Intel.
Though having Zen 3 would still be nice.
The key part I think is missing, notebook OEMs are now doing a better job of designing AMD laptops so the 5700u laptop today performs better than the 4800u laptop of last year.
I wanted my 13.3 inch OLED Asus to come with the 5800u, but could only get it with the 5700u and I am very impressed with the performance and the overall laptop design
Can this 5700u 16gb 1tb handle 4k video editing?
Yes i am using it
@@rockey4631 thank you for reply
Would have loved to know how the 5600U is performing compared to this.
AMD: "We're going to skip to 5000 series so all of the products in the stack are on the same architecture."
Also AMD: "here's Zen 2 on 5000 series, hope y'all don't buy it expecting a better Zen 3 product"
> AMD: "We're going to skip to 5000 series so all of the products in the stack are on the same architecture."
They never, ever said that. People misunderstood and mischaracterized AMD's announcement of the 5000 series /zen 3 the way as they wanted.
Exactly... like WTF
@@mdx1bhmt they didnt say it but that was their motive.
@@pawanyadav9854 No. Their motive was simply sell newer product with higher leading number. First 4000 launch was 8 months old when 5000 series landed.
I sympathy for those who are not tech geeks :(