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Thank you to Serebii, Bulbapedia, Mixeli, DeepGameRes, Faz Faz, and especially PokeMonku_2 for helping fit in those last puzzle pieces (you can find their channel here: / @pokemonku_2 )
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:09 Observations
00:15:57 Story 1
00:23:05 Story 2
00:27:44 Story 3
00:41:39 SPOILERS
00:52:00 Story 4
00:56:04 Story 5+
01:20:20 Future Mysteries
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Come join my Scarlet stream after you finish the video!! Also people are already filling in holes I missed in the comments and this is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR!! THIS IS SO COOL!!!!
waiting for someone to decipher the hieroglyphs!! and make a video!!
I thought you were just some random account on twitter and literally nothing else.
I didn't think you actually existed
Hey I was on that stream
TAHK0, are you fucking blind? Legends Arceus has no story whatsoever and it's a fucking mess.
Regarding Pokeballs, the NPC who says Pokeballs didn't exist when he was young is from Unova. Legends Arceus takes place in Hisui/Sinnoh and Pokeballs are made with Apricorns, something established as far back as in Gold and Silver in Johto (which has a direct connection with Sinnoh). It's likely that Pokeballs didn't exist in Unova, but did exist in Sinnoh/Hisui and Johto.
I thought the same too! :)
Edit: Though could Drayden also mean that modern Poké Balls or Poké Balls as we currently know them weren’t a thing when he was a kid?
Makes me wonder if that's why N and the people who were genuine in team Plasma weren't too fond of Pokeballs (I mean if they're relatively newer in Unova)
@Kureiton I’m not sure, where else would Hisui’s Poké Balls have come from? 100 years down the line somewhere? I mean, the Hisuian Poké Balls look like they aren’t too advanced for the time. They at least have cameras. The world outside of Hisui is a lot more developed.
@Kureiton Ohhhhh, oops, my mind didn’t fully process that. My bad, yeah, I lost your original point in my last comment. But yeah, it does feel half-baked, there are tons of other answers to that work just as well, maybe even better.
Also might’ve just been a small joke
Also fun fact about the Galar Prof theory. When you play the game in Japanese he will occasionally say things in English for no reason.
Cuz he is English >:)))
In Italian this happens too
@@shinybearevidra german too
Yeah, whenever characters say random English words/phrases in the Japanese version of an anime or a game, English localizations equivocate this by either attaching a different ethnicity/language to the character, OR they have them use very exaggerated English, depending on the context or the character's background. In Laventon's case, he uses random British phrases and exaggerated English since he's from Galar.
In Spanish he says some things in English too! He usually makes references, like saying "Let's go!"
If you run into Akari in the photo studio and talk to her she mentions that she wants to get a picture to send to her parents. So apparently children traveling alone has always been a thing. Also great vid never went in as deep on the old tablets, never would have thought they were cogitas diary
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY???????????????????? That's so cool!!!!!!!!!!!
To be fair, during that time period, 15 is considered an adult
Finding a surprisingly lore deep town in mid game with a ton of rewarding side quests and ending up spending 30 levels there is pretty much what the rivals do
Apricorn Pokéballs exist 400 years prior GSC according to Kurt, so 1599. Arceus takes place around 1869 after the Meiji Restoration and modern Pokéballs were created in 1925. There's no way Drayden is over 85 during the event of BW in 2010 so the most likely scenario is that Pokéballs are a PokeJapan invention that took their time to reach overseas nations.
That’s true. Plus Unova is based on the US, and our modern US wasn’t colonized til a long time after most other places were settled, so Unova needing to essentially play catch up kinda makes sense
Or it's possible he's talking about modern poke balls? Maybe they only had apricorn balls or something?
Arceus takes place at basically any point during the Meiji period post Meiji restoration. There are a few lamps in-game that appear to be electric lamps rather than oil lamps or candles which would further narrow it down to at least 1878. Of course even if the game takes place in 1910 Drayden still can't be in the game if he's 85 in 2010 UNLESS Black and White don't take place in 2010 anyway. Red and Blue seem to have only aged about 8 to 10 years from Red/Blue to Sun/Moon so they can't all be taking place exactly when the games came out.
@@allgreatfictions for this to be true and not a plot hole we need the context of him saying that line that pokeballs didn’t exist when he was younger. It’s probably an actual plot hole or a patchy way to make it all make sense.
I recall Unova having an abundance of Ranger type trainers out and about. Considering none of the Ranger games have locations with Japanese inspired names, maybe it’s not far fetched to theorize that Unova relied on Ranger-style catches with no access to poke balls 🤔 This works well with Team Plasma’s (well, N’s) ideology too, since Rangers only catch local pokémon and do not keep any, except for a single partner pokémon they’ve bonded with, and they don’t battle with them. If poke balls are newer in Unova, an upset about the morality makes a lot of sense
Don’t have much to back this up, but seeing as we and Ingo both came from the future and only Ingo lost his memory and we didn’t, it makes me believe he came here differently. I think this could be a ultra wormhole situation again ONLY for Ingo, as ultra wormholes have this consistent trait of memory loss. Why? No clue. Similarly why did it happen to Looker or Anabel? Again, it’s a mystery. But it fits for Ingo’s situation i feel.
Is it confirmed that the player has their memories? Ingo still has vague memories and his skills with pokemon and stuff, I don't think we have any more memories than that? So I THINK we also lost our memory in the game
@@Savariable The player doesn’t talk much, but whenever asked about the future world the answers are always pretty confident. Makes me believe we didn’t lose any memory.
@@Aestha_ We actually did lose our memory, although it doesn't seem to be to the same extent as Ingo. We know this from a lot of the dialogue choices, for example the MC remembering the league.
I think because Arceus was the one who ask the player their request. So maybe this is the only exeption of not a total memory loss for the MC because since Arceus is the one who wants their help. And everyone who unfortunately stumbled into the ultra wormholes have their memories wiped clean. I believe because of the risk of going through past/future the result of losing one's memory is likely cause of their enability to know their past memories. Thus starting a new life as if they're reborn and starting things from scratch again. Kindna like how Mohn has zero memory of his family due to the ultra wormhole and ran the place Poké Pelago. In USUM when Lusomine asked if this is the first time being in the Aether place(despite being years apart from together she still remembers him) however...he says this is the first time being at the place, the family and the place he used to work at is all gone.
Personally, always thought Volo's shenanigans were what brought Ingo to Hisui, which was a much rougher process than how the player got there, hence Ingo has worse amnesia.
The amount of lore Legends Arceus casually puts in random dialogue or items in the world is astounding. They 100% intended for you to explore. They didn't want to take the Gen 5 method and make it like a stage play where all the dialogue happens where you are. They wanted you to set out on an Adventure and find the answers yourself.
Gen 5 has tons of side lore.
@@Lordodragonss Gen 5's side lore shouldn't be side lore. A lot of important stuff happens in the side that actually harms the story's integrity if you miss it.
Absolutely LOST my mind when I saw “the celestica people”, I’ve never seen someone do a full analysis that is almost completely accurate to everything I know !! This is my favorite piece of Pokémon lore (and probably just video games in general) and very few people pay attention to it or even get the lore correct. One minor correction though; the ancient verse about bones and a river is actually about a specific eating ritual unique to the celestica, where every part of a fish is used (they were strict pescatarians from what I can gather) aside from the bones, then they would set those bones down a river/out to sea because they believed the fish would come back to life, as explained in one of the sinnoh folktales
"Believed it would come back to life" holy crap could that have been the inspiration for Basculegion?
Anymore information you can share on the Celestica people? They're perhaps my favourite part of the Pokemon lore as well.
After watching the end of the video, i also like to add that an npc in Sw/Sh mentions that (this is massively paraphrased lol) "first they shrink to fit into pokeballs, and now they're growing massive with dynamax. Pokemon are incredible."
Yeah, somehow Pokémon have the normal ability to shrink. Might be because of Minimize.
That missing part about “You used to have Dawn/Lucas’s room” and Arceus choosing you specifically to help in Legends Arceus is one of the most interesting Easter eggs I’ve ever heard!! Arceus is like “Ingo was strong but he screwed up… I’ll get one of my favorite people ever, the champion of Sinnoh! And I’ll give him/her a phone so he/she actually knows what to do!! This is gonna be so cool!!”, and it’s honestly kinda wholesome 👀🧐🤣
but Ingo traveled through a wormhole and wasn't transported by arceus like MC
@@UshioKiss Even better than
@@UshioKiss canonically, you did too, so the same thing likely happened.
@@jared-2 can you clarify, I don't get what you mean.
@@UshioKiss both the player and ingo travelled tthrough a hole in space-time, or a "wormhole", so its likely that ingo was sent by arceus too.
If I'm remembering correctly, in-game lore for the 2nd gen games says The Lake of Rage used to be a village before the Gyarados destroyed it during their rampages
That actually makes a ton of sense as to why we can fly there. I believe in an early build of Gold and Silver, the Lake of Rage used to have a Gym and maybe a Pokémon Center? Maybe I'm misremembering from when those big leaks appeared online a few years ago? Sounds interesting 🤔
@@hanakowolf578 no, youre 100% right, it used to be a town in early builds
Alder is closely associated with volcorona which has pokedex entries talking about how in an ancient time the sky was covered in volcanic ash and Volcorona acted as a replacement for the sun I think the stone tablet talking about how the sun died was talking about this also this is the region that has heatran
Reminds me of bk Toby’s video on alder being the ancient hero mentioned in PLA as there are depictions of him everywhere
You’re style of dialogue is very fun. Like a friend telling you about his favorite game
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@@axeltheking4157 thanks for the meaningful input, I didn’t see the first person that corrected me
@@chickenori9383you're welcome! and yeah i know you didnt because you didnt reply
@@axeltheking4157 bruh
Also! In the Japanese version of Pokemon X and Y, as well as Pokemon Masters, Valerie speaks with a Kansai accent- and Valerie is also from Johto!
She did learn from the Kimono sisters apparently.
My personal interpretation of Verse 2 is that Cogita is speaking to Arceus, not Regigigas.
1. "World's far-off end" could be referring not to the physical end of the region, but perhaps a metaphorical end, like the boundary between the real and spiritual world where Arceus dwells. Arceus is said to dwell beyond time and space, i.e., past them, at the "end".
2. Who gave Cogita the mission that she speaks about so often? Assuming it wasn't somehow self-imposed, it had to have been someone with knowledge of time and space, and knowledge that she would live a supernaturally long life. For that matter, why CAN she live so long? My guess is that Arceus both blessed her with her immortality and was the one to assign her with waiting for the player, whom Arceus itself would send into the future. If Cogita had at one time met Arceus, it explains why she expresses a desire to meet it again (for a second, or at least a subsequent time) in Verse 2. Arceus being beyond time and space could also be why she describes her wish to see it again as "futile".
3. The lost companions and beloved that Cogita relates to whoever she's talking to could be in reference to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. Arceus's "companions" have now left it to go to their own realms (seen in both the anime and in the description for Origin Dialga and Palkia on the website). Plus, if Cogita's beloved really was Ancient Hero/Alder(?), then his connection to Arceus, via his Pokemon having a connection to Arceus via Arceus' blessing, it doesn't seem impossible for Cogita to have met Arceus in the time of the ancient hero.
4. "Ours are cold and endless winter days" is likely metaphorical, as Cogita was probably off to the Ancient Retreat by the time she wrote this Verse.
5. Her "wish" that she relates to Arceus here, I believe, is likely a wish for peace, and connections between people and Pokemon. It's a flimsy guess, but it's the only desire I can see them sharing, as Arceus does seem to be pretty big on connecting people and Pokemon.
I just think it makes more sense to have Cogita and Arceus share this connection, especially with her immortality and "mission" being otherwise unexplained, than to bring Regigigas into a story that otherwise hadn't involved it thus far. However, that's just my personal guess. Awesome video, have been waiting for it for a long while on Twitter lol.
I would've put something like this in the Lore Library if I could afford to join, but alas.
Or she is just grieving her dead pokemon 🤷♂
I like your interpretation. If they share the same wish, it implies that Arceus is always longing for something, and that’s a vibe.
Super late but I assumed that Cogita was actually relating to the fate of the chosen one she would eventually meet. The player is technically beyond the world Cogita knew of as of the writing of that verse, their companions and family are 100+ years in the future with no certainty they will ever reunite (Masters seems to imply "Rei" knows they won't stay in Hisui before they finish their duty, but Cogita wouldn't have hard confirmation of that and Dawn/Lucas could have easily thought they were doomed at any of the rough parts of PLA's story.)
In comparison Regigigas is literally just sleeping and Arceus' thought process seems too weird to view companions in a longing manner; hell it only tells you to stop Volo and calm its kids through an incredibly roundabout series of magic texts as a part of a wider mission.
Extrapolating/theorizing: Love that there is a potential reading of the franchise that Arceus created the Mega timeline by sending Dawn/Lucas back. Would be super cool if we later find out that Necrozma destroyed the OG timeline and Arceus is sending people back in an attempt to thwart it.
EDIT: i need to clarify this idea doesn't have much evidence & breaks under some scrutiny, just a fun way they could tie everything together if they wanted
Whoa . I love this theory
I thought that mega evolution was created by the activation of the ancient weapon in Kalos, which was activated over 3000 years ago. Isnt Legends: Arceus more recent?
@@exeledusprince9165 right right, well arceus was sending people back well before dawn/lucas. i just meant it would be cool if arceus somehow triggered the change by sending people around time. maybe the big change was sending Alder back, or someone we don't know. idk. it's rife with possibility. but i take your point that we might not have enough evidence to say. i'm just curious whether the timelines diverted or they were always separate to begin with.
@@ciennaquidd6486 all I know for sure is I hope we get another Pokemon Legends game
Alternatively there are no alternate gimmick timelines anymore because it’s obvious the company doesn’t care anymore
First off, as a fellow Pokémon lore head I absolutely loved this video! Great job! I'm so excited to see more!
To add to your Red Gyarados segment, because I wasn't sure if you knew or not but it wasn't said, but Sanqua, a member of the Construction Corps (the woman who looks like Johto's Karen), was the one who's idea was it to build the Gyarados statues on top of the Galaxy building.
Not only this, but during one of her side quests when you enter her home and look inside the closet it is said that she owns "weird clothes and a cape" and the first thing that comes to mind is her being a distant relative/ancestor of Lance (and Clair) as well as Karen. Strong chance she's from the Blackthorn City Clan too. (Or what ever it may have been called in the past.) The dragon clan in Johto that Lance and Clair are also a part of. The Dragon's Den shrine has a couple of Gyarados statues inside it too. And Lance showed interest in helping that Red Gyarados at the Lake of Rage. 🤔 That could explain Sanqua's choice of wanting to create Gyarados statues!
Side note, not relating too much to the Red Gyarados but Sanqua also has post game dialogue referring to a mysterious painting she made but we never actually get to see it. Popular theory is that it became the mural in the Hearthome City church. Another connection to DPPt/BDSP from PL:A potentially!
There is actually speculation (I'm calling it that because I feel like I have memories of it being in the games but can't find any sources to back me up online) that this painting was actually one of Mount Coronet, and is the background for the very start of DPPt/BDSP's story talking about the Red Gyarados.
I'm always down for more Lance lore lmfao.
I think Sanqua is from the clan but not directly an ancestor to Lance and Clair tho. It'd be odd for a direct heir of the clan to leave their home and move overseas to another region.
Also neither Sanqua nor Karen are associated with Dragon Pokemon, which you'd expect if they were heirs to the Dragon clan.
The cave with square stones is the quarry they got the stone for Spear Pillar from
Oh my gosh, that would make sense!!!
@@TAHK0there is actually an ingame dialog stating this right before you enter the quarry.
I believe that Ingo was brought to Hisui by Arceus, like you. If you watch the Hisuian Zorua trailer, the voice actor sounds incredibly similar to Ingo's VA from Pokémon Masters in both English and Japanese. If I remember correctly, announcement tweets bring up an Arc Phone being found on the ground. It is possible that Arceus brought Ingo to Hisui at the Alabaster Icelands to stop Volo, gave him an Arc Phone, and Ingo lost his memory after being attacked by Zoroark. He was later found by the nearby Pearl Clan, as evidenced by the art book, and became a warden while his Arc Phone was lost. You were Arceus' second attempt to stop Volo, as Ingo failed but found his own place regardless.
I would love to find more evidence of this. I rewatched that trailer while making this video trying to figure out what happened and couldn’t figure out the connection. Maybe they have the same VOs??
@@TAHK0 Maybe, can't find any info on the VAs for that trailer
@@KStarPRI looked too but couldn’t find anything either 😭😭 I really think this is worth looking into though! I was wondering where the phone footage came from and I never considered ingo!
@@TAHK0 Somebody passively mentioned it in a video I watched but I can't find the "rumor" they were talking about. Definitely something I thought about much later on.
Volo was never a threat to Arceus. He couldn't accomplish anything.
I think this is one of the only times I actually watched a full 90 minute video without skipping any bits of it. This was so well thought out and absolutely amazing, I loved each story/theory you made. One of my big questions I have about PLA is how Ingo managed to get to hisui and his meaning behind it. Fantastic video!
(Also I had no ide you could actually get slippers in PLA, I checked the ginko guild shop multiple times and this is the first time I've seen/heard about them lol)
Legends Arceus was such a treat as someone who started playing Pokemon with Pokemon Diamond! Seeing you make the connection with Kamado and Beni's original hometown potentially being (ancient) Mahogany Town was so mind-blowing!
On the topic of Hisuian voltorb and electrode, I believe they are actually organic and natural, hence their grass typing. In Lord Electrode's boss intro, we see him and his voltorb underlings fall from a tree like nuts. From looking at their signature move chloroblast, they seem to gather their power through photosynthesis, so their electrical powers may be because they are solar-powered Pokemon. Maybe whoever designed the first poke balls were inspired by Hisuian voltorb and electrode, similar to how vanillite's shape inspired the Pokemon world's first ice cream (if I remember correctly)? So, rather than being poke ball mimics, maybe Hisuian voltorb and electrode are apricorn mimics? Maybe Hisuian voltorb would have stems that they dangle from trees with, which results in that hole on their head when they eventually detach from the stem and fall?
As for the Ancient Quarry, Ingo explains that that tunnel's stones were carved out to build the Temple of Sinnoh. That could explain the oddly compact assortment of carved stones there!
A common color theme around Arceus merchandise and materials, is the color green. Just something interesting I realized when you were talking about the connection to the color green and Hisui.
These comments made me realize the gems in Arceus’ belt is probably specifically Jade. Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, and Jade.
Just wanted to make an additional note about Prof. Laventon that in German he frequently says things in English like "Oh, that is it!" which even further hints at him being from Galar, especially since no other character in the game (in German) will use English.
Oh, one other thing (i know this is my third comment, shh): Electrode. We technically don't know that the Electrode with a statue built out of it is a Poke Ball mimic, because the statue lacks color. It could be mimicking an Apricorn or other spherical plant. I don't know how likely it is but it is a possibility.
There is also a chance that hisuian Voltorb and electrode always looked like that, and that is actually the reasoning behind their choice for PokeBall colors in universe, and that the PokeBall is actually modeled off of Voltorb and not the other way around (or maybe hisuian Voltorb, and regular Voltorb is essentially completely unrelated)
Hear me out! I think Az is the ancient hero the connections to Kalos made me think of him. The immortality, his ancient war, It helps that apparently Lysander from team flare is his younger brothers descendant. So in Az’s prime he probably had the flame style hair!
Very interrsting!
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@@MrMitchbow it’s just a guess /theory off of everything TAHK0 pointed out but it made too much sense to me to not at least mention it for further discussion and looking into!
I think it’s Alder
Damn, kind of blew my mind with the jade tent thing. I am partial to the headcanon that Arceus isn't really around anymore, not so much dead as non-corporeal, and Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina are basically pieces of Arceus that formed their own bodies around the different powers Arceus represented. Basically my explanation for why it's said Arceus created them, why you never actually meet Arceus in the game (just "pieces" of it), and why their origin forms incorporate parts of Arceus' design. Seeing that the same thing happened with the Sinnoh people, starting off as the one "Jade" tribe that split into the Diamond Clan, Pearl Clan, and Volo only confirms that theory in my mind.
Really nice connections but Arceus itself litteally appears in the beginning of the game and sends you off. It also tells you that it created the ‘Arceus’ it gives you, the player, in order to observe you. Basically implying that it exist but would rather not directly intervine itself.
The really cool thing about the Jade tribe to me is that there were two GBC bootlegs back in the day called Pokemon Diamond and Jade. So by putting a Jade clan into Sinnoh, they're reuniting Diamond with its unofficial partner.
PLEASE make more of these! The pokemon community I feel like has been missing these kinda videos lately because most content creators are focused on tips and tricks sorta content. I love learning about details and plot things I might've missed :)
Damn. Watching this video just makes me appreciate this game even more. I always love discovering layers of lore in games that I wouldn't have found in my own time. Have fun with the SV streams!
This video has motivated me to go back and completely 100% Legends Arceus
Have you?
@@MrMitchbow have i what?
@@Bulkynemesis4534 gone back and completely 100% Legends Arceus
@@MrMitchbow I mean i am working on it there are a lot of stuff to do
@@Bulkynemesis4534
How about now?
This is what makes this game so special to me. The line of details in it turns from minute, to copious. Multi-media tie ins and details that would be easily overlooked, just heighten the game in my eyes. If there was ever a semblance of an idea to continue content past Daybreak at Gamefreak, I wish they would’ve went through with it.
Not finished with the video, but thanks TAHK0 for the breakdown here. Legends deserves it.
Also, I wanted to add… (Scarlet/Violet Spoilers)
I felt that the ending of the base game in Legends felt melancholic or at the very least unresolved. You play as this trainer that is obviously from another time and place, but doesn’t get to return to their prior home. Why is that?
Someone commented on a separate video unrelated (thank you whoever you are), about how Sada/Turo in S/V mentions that a person who travels through time, can’t ever hope to return to their original time.
It’s tragic. The player character made a home in Hisui, friends & comrades as well. But as with Emmet and Ingo being separated, I can’t help but think what their mother, or even anyone who interacted with the player character are feeling…
A person who travels through time can't ever hope to return to their original time? That's some bullshit. Professor Oak went to the future as a child and he went back to within the hour of when he vanished. To say nothing of Ranger 3 where you can go back and forth as many times as you like.
About the hieroglyphs that you said you couldn't decipher, Bird Keeper Toby made a video a while ago giving a potential answer to that. Instead of assigning images to letters, he assigned certain words/phrases/meanings to certain pokemon based on the themes surrounding them (such as an ursaluna representing the idea of searching) and came up with pretty convincing meanings behind each mural. It might be worth checking out yourself
the comment about the predictions being made based on information we had really reminds me of Metroid- if you'd paid attention, pre-Dread you could figure out that the evil Chozo from the Samus Returns pictures were the Zebes Chozo. People were just too caught up in the manga to realize that.
I never noticed the portrait of the Alder ancestor guy until today! Great stuff!!!
Thank you :,]
Can't tell ya how long I've waited for something like this from you! Been following on twitter for a while, really exciting to see a video come out of it! Looking forward to joining the library and participating in that Gen 1 book club! Excellent work, man!
SUCH A COOL VIDEO!!! Can’t to see more Tahk0 content, keep it up!! I’m glad you can play Pokémon SV now!
Man, I've had such a roller coaster day today, and hearing this man just express how much he'd like people to allow themselves to CARE about the stories behind Pokemon hit me in the heartstrings. I'm enjoying the content and I'm only 30 minutes in. I love hearing someone spill their guts about little things they think are cool.
I love the lore in these games and it baffles me how people zoom through the story and never bother to look at details. Like, people have clamored for years for a mature game that focuses on serious issues, but then dismiss SM as baby games because the tutorial is a bit long. SM's story was about two kids fleeing their abusive mother, herself suffering from severe trauma from the loss of her husband, and it delves into things like the aforementioned child abuse, the nature of family and the importance of defining it for yourself, overcoming your past and growing from it, the nature of forgiveness, and so on. Yet it seems the fanbase tended to look at it and throw ALL off that out the window just because it can be a little handholdy.
@@BJGvideos I think a big part of it is the hardcore push into voice acting and game accessibility and a downplay on reading. The biggest complaint I've heard from younger players about pokemon is that its boring and theres too many words before getting into the gameplay, there are too many screens of stats, and so on. I see more and more Live Service games opting for quick flashes of images and big booming sounds rather than writing up a paragraph of history or world building architecture because people are just leaving it behind for more iconography that can bridge language barriers. I don't like it, but I understand why its happening, and I appreciate the creators that leave more detailed and nuanced backgrounds for the more inquisitive minds to find among the brightly colored piles of chaff.
I picked up Pokemon Violet recently and stalled out on progress because I wanted to get 100ish pokemon to level 50 just to see how they felt in combat, while all my younger friends had already beaten the game in the first few days and were looking at me like I was crazy.
Hmm, maybe I am.
@@emanmodnar2 Weird. But then it always felt like that when I was a kid too, that my peers didn't take time to appreciate stories, and I'm in my 40s, so it's hardly anything new.
If Professor Laventon does indeed come from Galar/Postwick, does that mean he could potentially be related to Hop and Leon? Maybe not a direct ancestor but still part of the family?
Prof. Laventon has design elements linking him to Leon and Hop (Laventon's striped pants to Leon's striped shirt, crown motif in their hats/Hop's hair)
theres also the random croagunk statue in hop's room. maybe a family heirloom passed down?
@@crocobae Crown motif? Laventon doesn't have a crown motif. He has a silly puffball
@@BJGvideosthey mean the patter on his hat resembles a crown
@@footloosegenius2242 Does it?
Hey! Just saw part of the video (had to stop to do something else), but even in the first 27 minutes, I have found so many things I didn't see or realize before! Great stuff, man.
I'm having a hyper-fixation on Pokemon and this incredibly well-made video is not helping me at all😭 I cannot stress this enough this is a great video!!
I've only noticed about half of these things when I played Arceus. Great insight!
About the hieroglyphs, Bird Keeper Toby has a video on what they could mean.
As a writer and story teller, I strongly appreciate your affinity for lore and details! Do keep it up
Been following you on twitter for a while now and only just found your youtube channel. This was a great video that didn't even feel like an hour and a half. I've played through PLA a few times and I've never put all this together regarding the lore. Excited for more!
Thank you for making this video. I was blindingly upset after my first playthru about Volo because I initially thought his whole motivation and connection to Giratina was strange & just a way to make a sensational twist villain. When I saw some other vids going back to look at his link to the Celestica people then I started to see how much the developers DID care about the story and I was the one who was just taking it face value and not appreciating it properly.
Now this video really solidified all that AND MORE because of just how many details you presented & how well they all tie together. I am definitely going to show this to my friends cuz I'm also excited to talk with them about these things.
He had every legitimate reason to hate Arceus for abandoning his people. The problem is that he got overwhelmed with zeal and forgot that we should hate Arceus far more than he ever could.
I'd have totally helped him fight Arceus if he didn't try to backstab me. We could make it a double battle.
Legends was already my favorite game but your video here really took it to another level. So grateful for you, your insights and imagination, for bring LORE to life like this. Thank you so much for sharing yourself and your passions like this!
I love the feel of this video , very informative but relaxed and fun. Been following on Twitter forever , and am super glad to follow you here too
Another thing that could support Beni and Kamado coming from a village that once existed north of Mahogany town is that the Lake of Rage can be flown to, despite not having a Pokemon Centre. I dunno if it means anything, but I feel like there could be a connection, even if it's a tenuous one.
So cool that you are on TH-cam now! And even cooler that TH-cam recommended me the video! I hope it continues to spread because your excitement for the lore is contagious
I always enjoy how you see how pokemon does their lore building. It always helps the gears moving in my head. Keep up the good work can't wait to see what you do with other games!
This is literally everything I want in a Pokémon video LOL, I have never been big in the Pokémon online fandom bc I was content with my personal enjoyment of the game with friends, but I missed having a Skype group that I used to be in that we essentially just dove into Pokémon lore on (this was BW1 era and back but STILL) and bc of that I genuinely thought a lot of this loosely connected lore was known about. Then I became more online and saw it wasn’t, but it made me SO glad to follow you on twitter many years ago! It absolutely feeds my feral Pokémon world and lore loving brain.
I felt myself lk genuinely getting so excited watching this, seriously thank you for making it!!
Me, literally yelling excitedly at the tv like I’m a kid again: “no, you’re so RIGHT though!!” Like every few minutes lmaooo IM HYPE AND IN MY POKÉMON WORLD FEELINGS THANKS
Awesome video! There were multiple moments that genuinely were so interesting to hear from you. That one about the Gyarados statues being revised to Magikarp really shocked me with how well it fit your theory. Would love to see more from you some time!!
I always assumed that since Pokeballs were made by the Galaxy Team, for the Galaxy Team, they simply weren't publicly available when Alder was growing up.
Anyway, this is my first video of yours I've ever seen, however I am super impressed. Everything mentioned is grounded and reasonable, unlike many of the other theory channels on TH-cam. Additionally, I'm glad to see that you came to many of the same conclusions as I did! With an extremely well thought out video like this I can say: Congratulations, you've earned my subscription. I look forward to seeing what content you make moving forwards.
(Also, if I don't believed you mentioned it, so may I recommend the Kirby series as a good place to look for lore. They have very little at a surface level because everything is extremely hidden and it is also easily the franchise with the most lore, that I know of.)
we also know from the games taking place in the orre region on gamecube that there are simply parts of the pokemon world where obtaining pokeballs is incredibly hard for an average person, even in the modern day. we take it for granted in the main series, but the idea every store in every area around the world keeps a large stock of an item most everyday people don't need is kind of crazy
@@Namingway248 Orre is also a wasteland that seems to be relatively cut off from the rest of the world despite being in the mainland US. Everywhere else is a home for pokemon but all the pokemon in Orre came from somewhere else.
I know there's a theory that Orre had some sort of nuclear war or at least nuclear testing but honestly I don't think even something as catastrophic as that would clear it of pokemon to that extent, especially not with humans living as actively as they do.
I like it. I like how you delve deeper than simple missed facts in the game but intertwined seemingly skippable stuff to enrich the story of the game. It truly is fascinating.
A possible notion as to the Ancient Hero's fate can be found near the summit. Go to the route directly south of Moonview Arena. You see that cemetery? Count the graves. There's eleven of them. What eleven beings are sacred enough to be buried directly underneath the Temple of Sinnoh? Well for one, the ancient hero and his ten beloved companions (though Avalugg would have to be a proxy grave).
I think the Celestica people fled TO Sinjoh rather than from there, after they lost Arceus's favor. That's why they aren't found in Hisui any more other than vague descendants.
As I said in another comment, there's no way that Volo could possibly have killed Lord Arcanine. Like at all. It was killed trying to save Growlithe from drowning, after it got pulled out to sea by a random wave. There's nothing Volo can do to control any of that, and Palina witnessed the whole thing. The shadowy figures seen around the island are the Miss Fortunes.
I got the impression that Ingo was taken by an Ultra Beast, considering his lack of memory resembles that of a Faller. Compare it to us, who can clearly relate details of the modern era.
@@flying-magpie Oh? Which part?
I hadn't made that connection with the graves! If it follows Japanese funerary traditions, all the graves might be memorial stones rather than literal body-markers.
Volo definitely didn't kill Arcanine but I think it's interesting that his own Arcanine is female. The chances of it being so are 25%. Not as unlikely as Togekiss' 12.5% but still noteworthy. Perhaps she was Lord Arcanine's mate. Maybe Volo sympathised with her grief - he has friendship evolutions and Togekiss at the very least was definitely evolved through the friendship method because it's consistently female in every appearance - and this was one of the reasons he was so motivated to find Arceus and remake the universe into what he believed would be a better place. If she was Lord Arcanine's mate, Volo took her away from her child but perhaps she trusted Palina to take care of him while she and Volo tried to find a way to either resurrect Lord Arcanine or rebuild everything so that no family would be torn apart again.
This was such a great video, super excited for your future videos!!
Glad you made a YT channel! Love your lore takes. Stuff I didn't think or hear about.
I LOVE Pokemon lore! It was so much fun delving into the art book (Mai and Adaman's sibling relationship is adorable) and while I knew quite a bit of the lore, I also learned a lot. I didn't realize Laventon wrote in a different language, or that the son from Hisuian Snow was an actual canon character in the game. I look forward to more of these lore type of videos (if you still plan to make them) and if you ever do one for Scarlet/Violet, you're gonna have a WHALE of a time. Also, in regards to the fish, no, it's not a new Pokemon from Gen IX. It's strange, because in the older games, they've reference real world animals, just like you said here, but now they try to show Pokemon instead, so I'm not sure if it's just a fish or what.
I think what resonated with me a lot was something that reminded me of a throwaway scene in the Pokémon BW anime that I hadn’t thought about in years. There’s a tiny scene where Alder asks Cynthia out to lunch (and mentions a date in another scene?) and she very quickly rejects him and it’s lighthearted and silly and until this video, I never thought about it again.
Following just these speculations with Cogita (who bears striking resemblance to Cynthia in appearance and demeanor) and Alder’s Ancestor(? Or Alder Himself) it left a bittersweet thought in my mind, especially seeing that Cogita is the one in mourning at losing their beloved. It just provided a window into what could have been possible, but maybe in a different time and place. I’m not sure why, It really struck a chord with me.
Yoooo TAHK0 this video ruled. I seriously hope you do more of these. Pokémon or otherwise, Pikmin 4 came out this year and the depth of details you can learn from the various Piklopedia and Treasure Tracker entries is insane. I love details in the margins like that.
LOVE these type of vids! Thanks for all the effort and research you put into this Tahk0 🙏🔥
This entire video was amazing. I love Pokemon lore so please make more of this.
Phenomenal first video. I don't use Twitter, and had no idea who you were prior to this. You managed to keep me entertained, and brought up many points I've never heard or thought of before! Great job, you've earned yourself another subscriber!
Amazing content!! Been following you on Twitter since you always go into perspectives others dont but ones that interest me, and this video was just so worth it!! Im SUPER into the lore and story of Pokemon myself, obsessed with it so really glad to see more videos talking about its lore!! Speaking of which, Id love for you to make a video about RR Giovanni and his ties to the franchise as a whole, specially how he kind of links Pokemon Masters and the rest of the main series games as well !!
This video is super well done and I knew Legends Arceus was a well of information that I just haven't had the time to dive into yet. Absolutely fantastic work, and I hope this inspires more folks to look at the stories in pokemon with more than just derision.
i am literally in love with how excited you seem talking about lore
This is really good for ur first video tbh, and i really like the vibe of the video where it feels more like taking to someone on discord rather than a formal essay, which i really like. Def subbing i cant wait to see what else u have in store!
Just stumbled upon this video and was impressed by your enthusiasm and hard work in connecting all the data! I have played Pokémon games for so long and I had no idea that the story had such depth. Thanks for opening my eyes and I will continue watching.
ive seen a theory about ingo's memory loss that imo ties up the loose end nicely:
much like hisuian snow and other extracanonical media, i think the hisuian zorua trailer is implying how ingo got sent to the past, lost his memory and ended up in the pearl clan. the trailer features a male character who says he wants to document pokemon on "this strange device". the fact that he even has audio/video recording in hisui is pretty curious as photography is a recent invention. the character also enthusiastically recognizes a group of snorunt but has no idea what the (extinct in present-day) hisuian zorua is. with these 2 facts in mind we can kind of assume this character comes from modern day much like the player. its possible, then that the character was sent with similar intentions; alongside his stated goal of documenting pokemon and the phrase "strange device", it seems like he could be recording on an arc phone.
the end of the trailer of course shows this character being attacked and one way or another subdued by hisuian zoruark. fast forward to the events of PLA and we learn that ingo has been taken in by the pearl clan, who happen to live in and had discovered ingo in the same portion of the map that the trailer takes place in. if the theory stands, ingo is this character who was sent back and given an arc phone to fill the same role as the player, but when he was attacked and lost his memory, he lost sight of the mission.
i admit the theory does take jumping through a hoop or two, but it does provide answers for both the oddities of that trailer and the greater mystery of why ingo would have lost his memory when the player didnt.
This was such a wonderful video! Stuff like this is exactly why I love Pokémon and video games in general, and hearing someone dive deeper like this with such passion makes the time investment into gaming so worth it. I can't wait for the next topic!
Dude, this is seriously the best video I've seen in ages. Get your butt in my subscription list right now! I can't wait to see more of your vids.
Been following you for years on twitter, and I really enjoyed this lore video, especially your presentation style. I also liked that it really focused on the lore that is stated in game or related media, with very few speculations
Thank you, I’m glad that was conveyed well, I was worried no one would know what I meant by finding the “intended” lore lol. I feel like that’s an underrepresented topic with this series.
Fantastically researched video. The algorithm pushed it onto me, and hopefully it starts doing that to even more people.
Thank you, and I hope so too!! You being here is a good sign!!
I Love This. Thank you so much for getting this video out there.... going to send it to all my Pokémon friends now
Subscribed! Looking forward towards the Lore Library, great name, be sure to post shorts when you are ready to build the channel!
In the French version of the game, Prof Laventon uses english words sometimes, so even if you didn't pay close attention to details, you already knew he was either from Unova or from Galar.
This is such a refreshing type of video Im not sure why, maybe Im used to the heavy edits of "Poketubers", I think you're just very suited for this kind of long format video making Tahk0. From the way you handle reading from the script to having a good voice and good mannerisms (these are points that are so odd in a sense to hit right? Cause it comes from the person naturaly in a sense, and yours works great). Im gonna keep typing new things as I watch the video. Thanks for all the hard work cheers
At 20:00 about the survey corp house, it could be also the option that the person passed away at all? Since its said that pokemon are dangerous and can possibly kill you those days, and mayb the rocks a hint of where ther person died or what kind of person they were? A collector? Someone interested in Moon Stone or Deoxys Meteor rock? (In DPP theres a ehole section in one town with 3 meteorites on the ground I think) Etc etc
Story 4 (I think) Dude! the part about Kamado and Wal! I had thought they were related to Johto too somehow since Kamado has this very shogun like aesthetic plus his love for "sumo style" and Wal being ninja related which is big in Kanto and Johto. I love you bringing up Sinjoh stuff from the poems, I could've sworn they had hinted a bunch of ancient Johto connection too, great potentialities. Plus somehow its also comical that Kamado would have a Galarian armour fascination? Something about that seems like a nod to ancient fun cultural appreciations since Japan had its borders closed for so long that the people from other cultures who were allowed to visit and trade perhaps gave them gifts which fascinated them from how different they were to their own culture
I must have not been paying enough attention about Cogita because this info about her being this old didnt clock on me lol, loving it
EXCUSE ME THERE IS A CAVE IN UNOVA THAT SAYS IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO SINNOH? WHAT?? I mean it is neat that if Arvens ancestor was Cogitas beloved there is there that genie tie with Hisui, very cool connection. I just assumed thay because so much time passes between the Hisui game and the other games that some of the people later from their families traveled a lot around etc. But damn behind that justification for there to even be MORE justification is really cool
As someone who is currently working on creating stories and leaves hints around for people, I've caught myself in this strange but fun process in which some clues really don't go anywhere, not because I don't want to, but simply because they needed to exist to help a narrator one day hopefully "connect some dots". This happens even in really good TV shows and I've noticed it ESPECIALLY in Avatar the Last Aibender, the more carefully I watched the show the more carefully I noticed many plot lines carefully tucked away to hopefully not be brought up only if the creator wanted them to be brought up. So maybe some stuff in game lore might also follow a similar logic. However I love the connections you've made here! The one that felt stretched the most was perhaps the Regigigas, it makes enough sense but something about it felt like there may be something else and even open to a potential connection maybe in a future game, especially with now Time machine mechanics of Scarlet and Violet at play, who knows.
Great video Tahk0! I saw your reply, happy you enjoyed this comment, keep up the great work!
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Pokemon S H R I N K 🤏
Pokemon shrinking will always bug me just as much like when I found out Spider man designs and makes his own web instead of being a super power like the first Sony movie kek
Cheers!
This is a very kind comment 😭😭 and I’m excited to see what else you have to say when you’re done !!
@@TAHK0 finished! And edited, I cant wait to see how your mind will process Scarlet and Violet lol
The existence of Origin Ore also means a LOT. Origin Ore could very well be the main material used to make the ultimate Weapon that AZ used in the Great Pokémon War, and the firing of the weapon is pretty much the reason that
1. The Great Crater of Paldea exists, and is filled with all those crystals
2. Pretty much every Pokémon battle gimmick since Gen 6 exists including Mega Evolution, Z moves, Dynamax, and Teraorbs.
3. We have a split timeline in the first place (mega timeline and Original Timeline).
I have a whole theory built of the base theory Bird Keeper Tobey made about infinity energy coming from Arceus and being the power source of the ultimate weapon. And I’d love to get into it now but I just left a comment explaining it on someone else’s video and it took me a solid 30 minutes to write and I really don’t wanna do it again 😭. Loved the video tho, the only thing I’d say is that I believe Volo is actually the oldest living character in the game, and I believe this isn’t the first time him and Giratina attempted this plan, and I believe the first time was the first incident with Alder.
In D/P/PT Cyrus gathered origin ore by bombing lake valor to craft the red chain. AZ could've used the ore but that is very far fetched, the ultimate weapon is made out of a translucent crystal while the ore is bright glowing red.
In XY it got confirmed that he used Yveltal in its slumber form to power the ultimate weapon and Xerneas in its slumber form to give eternal life to his Floette and himself.
And as long as the DLC for Scarlet and Violet isn't out, we can't confirm anything about the origin of the great crater of Paldea. It could be the war between Kalos and Paldea 3000 years ago but that's just speculation for now.
I really encourage you to continue on making such (Pokemon) videos!
I missed so much watching such passionate talk about observations, details,
references, trivia and more!
I personally flooded Deviantart for years with my fan art and tons of text in description
to share such stuff about Pokemon (games). I dunno when I'll watch your next vid as I'm quite busy
with my stuff, also take time to do every video with such topic/idea, you earned an eager subscriber! :D
Thank you for putting this together! This is so awesome!!!
This was such a good video. I learned so much, I hope you make more videos soon I wish I could dive this deep, but it is so daunting
One thing to add on in regards to color theory and the clans - Each of the clans wear distinct colors to represent where theyre from and whom they worship (Purple for Palkia/Pearl Clan, Blue for Dialga/Diamond clan), however they also sport a secondary color which represents a color from Arceus’ color palette as well- For the Pearl clan, it is the white of Arceus’ body, and the Diamond clan used the red of its eyes.
Now while this is speculation of my part, even though Volo’s outfit is meant to represent arceus in its entirety, his design reflects mostly the colors of green and gold, which could represent both arceus’ arch and gems, but also the Celestica people, the jade-colored clan, with maybe having the gold as its secondary color. Again, this second part is merely speculation, but a man can dream.
I think this is the best Legends Arceus analysis I have ever watched. Genuinely had my jaw on the floor throughout half of it with all the observations you made. Cannot wait for more in the future!
Oh dang bruh I have been looking for a video EXACTLY LIKE THIS for like weeks, and NOW you show up on my recommended when I really need to be working on something else!! Leaving this comment as a bookmark so I can come back and check it out in a day or two when I have the free time, I'm excited. Watched a few minutes and liking your work so far.
Your chaotic energy is such a breath of fresh air, keep it up!
Wow, an hour and a half of content from a (relatively) small creator. Cool!
Was wondering why the icon looked so familiar, been following you for a while now, great first video! Huge fan of long form content like this so I really hope you keep making it ❤️
This was a great video! I look forward to watching more of your channel!
Great video man, really glad someone was able to cover all of the lore and explain some of the missing plot holes. Though I am surprised you didn’t mention Volo that much in the story, and I would love to hear your take on how he could’ve killed/acquired the Hisuian Arcanine. Anyways looking forward to your next video 😎
Volo would have no reason whatsoever to kill Lord Arcanine. Like, at all. Why do people think he did? Especially since Palina saw it happen. Nobody was involved.
@@BJGvideos "killed" is more in indirect terms. We don't know what happened that lead to growlithe getting swept out at sea yet, and they went out of their way to say volo (or someone matching their description) has been around. So while nothing is confirmed, nothing is unconfirmed yet either.
@@TAHK0 Well of course he's been around. He's been around everywhere, and the coast lands are where Giratina lives. But he doesn't have power over the ocean. He can't summon a wave, and we're explicitly told that Growlithe was dragged out to sea by a wave and Lord Arcanine died trying to save it.
@@BJGvideos that’s not quite how the lesson of this video works though. We don’t know how growlithe got out there, so knowing what happened after doesn’t confirm or deny anything. Volo being there with no explanation is a “puzzle piece” that’s brought up during the same events that’s unconnected at the moment.
@@TAHK0 Eh, he still wouldn't have any sort of means or motivation to do so. If anything, killing a noble would delay his goal. And then there's how, since nothing he has could have created such a wave.
god this is the kinda stuff I LOVE
Dude I don't know how you truly feel when making this video but I gotta comment on the fact that you sound like you're having fun with making this entire vid and it made watching this so much more entertaining. 🤣 Love the vid!
Just found your channel and I have to say your enthusiasm is so infectious it’s amazing. So agree with what you said on more people should be openly excited about the things they engage with. I cannot wait to see more!!
This is so amazing man! I loved walking through the plates step by step. Can't wait to see more videos in the future!
Brother, this video is so interesting, captivating, but not just the info in it but the way you present it. I just subscribed to your channel. Keep this up, I will check your craft along the way.
Thank you, I appreciate that :,]
"Future-only evolutions" referring to Steelix and Magnezone... doesn't seem right. Steelix was in the Kalos war and Magnezone evolves from Magnemite just by being near the mountain- and Magnemite was also in the Kalos war. I agree with the others like Electivire, but those two are likely naturally occuring. Also, how do we know Hisui didn't exist in wherever Ingo's from? It could've just been... the past, I guess.
The future only pokemon were evolved by "curious items" aka future-only items in their pokedex descriptions, which is what I was referring to. It was kind of a run-on sentence on my part sorry lol. And the line Ingo says about not ever hearing of hisui is, what I assume, pokemon's awkward way of saying it didn't exit where he was from, just like calling the protagonist "15 or so" is pokemon's awkward way of saying it's Lucas/Dawn.
@@TAHK0 Ingo has no memories, however- I don't know how reliable of a source he is. And what I meant was the Steelix and Magnezone were shown on-screen during that sentence. I think the Metal Coat *is* even a curious item, but Steelix exists aside from it- through the other method the Pokedex claimed. " It is said that if an Onix lives for over 100 years, its composition changes to become diamond-like. " - Sword. I wonder if that applies to other curious item Pokemon obtainable in the wild? There is an alpha Alakazam in the Fieldlands, after all.
@@cad4871 Yes, I think the pokemon were evolved by those curious items dropping through the portal- I think that's the part I didn't make clear. So even if steelix existed before, I think the mt coronet pokemon are evolved with items. Also I didn't mention this in the script, but the future-seeing Sabi also has a team of future-only pokemon aside from braviary, which adds support to the future-y-ness of it all.
@@TAHK0 i think it's worth noting that Sinnoh and unova are canonically very far from one another. (With the cave that supposedly connects them being a sort of analogue to the idea of "digging a tunnel to china"). And much like how your common American doesn't know about Japanese history, why would a modern unovan know about sinnohan history?
@@Color_Splsh I also don’t see the caves as completely cannon because it seems like they needed a way for the Generation 5 Pokédex to be completable at the time without transferring pokemon or more events. It seems like they settled introducing these empty dex slots with things like Hoopa's rings, Ultra Wormholes, Dynamax adventures and whatever else is to come.
Absolutely loved the video! Lots of stuff I did know but a lot of stuff I never thought about Legends lore. Keep it up man.
fantastic video! i really enjoyed and im looking forward to more lore dumps:)
Bro, I’m subbing to you, and you’re making me want to play Legends Arceus again… STAWP, I already gave up on playing it, but you’ve set up a whole new viewpoint for me that I just can’t ignore, time to boot up my switch and play(in my opinion) THE TRUE REMAKE.
I worked with ProtoMario to release a series of videos that help explain what’s going on:
th-cam.com/play/PLBzoQzUo3wjAVukI80E5Lf8o0s9rgBj2K.html
The idea: Pokémon is a paradox world. It started off as Earth- our real world. But as more Pokémon were introduced- especially Legendary Pokémon (and Sillvally, who will one day turn into Arceus) the world needed to be rewritten to accommodate the existence of such Pokémon. That’s what the Time Distortions are. That’s why Porygon are brought into the past. To prove that they’ve been there all along. Paradoxically.
The key is in the Sinjoh Ruins event where images of the real world flash onto the screen. Sinjoh is even mentioned in Old Verse 12 comparing it to Hisui.
I knew a lot of this but you connected a LOT of threads I hadn't thought about. Thanks for making this
This is such a fun video. Awesome job, man.