Nobody who watches Simon is going to be surprised by this, lol. Same goes for his incorrect Suez Canal "correction" in the first place. As soon as he said it I knew it was one of those cases where he hadn't been paying attention to the script and was under a misapprehension.
Editor here: there may or may not have been a lengthy animation pointing out Katy’s correct script v. Simon’s ability to decimate correct things in scripts.
I was worried everyone would think I’d made the geographical blunders but how I underestimated the viewers and their assumptions that Simon was actually wrong 😆 Thanks for the vindication everyone!
An idea for an episode could be the sinking of M/S Estonia. She sank in the 90s with a lot of people onboard. A lot of conspiracy theories around her. CIA, Russian submarines, explosives and more. Take a look
1:05 as your designated Dutch person in the comments: that was pretty good actually! Now that we're here: "Cape of Good Hope" comes from the old Dutch saying "Op goede hoop handelen", basically translating to "to do something based on good hope alone". It means undertaking a desperate task, hoping against hope you will succeed. So it's pretty fitting for the location to be fair.
@@christinevanrooij8061 As another fellow Dutchie, seconded (thirded?) that as well. I want to add though, the Vliegende Hollander is very very real. Just go to the Efteling 😂
I like Simon's surprise that a past king of the UK was in fact an ancestor of the late Queen, as if it were some kind of startling coincidence rather than what you would normally expect when a crown is handed on only within a single family. And then Simon confusing the Cape of Good Hope (at the southern tip of Africa) with Cape Horn (at the southern tip of South America). It's avoiding Cape Horn that made the Panama Canal so awesome. Avoiding the Cape of Good Hope is what made the *Suez* Canal so awesome. 16:08 -- KATIE SAID INDIAN OCEAN, SIMON. YOU'RE THE ONE GOING NUTS HERE.
Except,....most kings and queens of "England" (in quotes, because it's gone thru many names thru the centuries since the viking days), aren't as closely related as you seem to imply. The current liniage is relatively recent, historically speaking.
@@cjpietropinto9293 That's only true if you count descent through eldest surviving sons. However British law acknowledged female descent even before they switched to simple primogeniture a little while ago. For example, by law the crown goes to the senior Protestant descendant of Sophia, Electress of Hanover, herself a granddaughter of James VI/I. So let's start there. James' mother Mary was a great-granddaughter of Henry VII and therefore had enough of a claim to the throne (in default of male heirs) to worry Elizabeth. Henry's mother was great-granddaughter of John of Gaunt, a son of Edward III, and his wife (through whom he had the stronger claim) was a daughter of Edward IV, who was also descended from John of Gaunt. From there it's an unbroken male line back to Henry II, son of Mathilda, daughter of Henry I, son of William the Bastard. William, according to his account, had been promised the crown by Edward the Confessor, and as the illegitimate son of the Duke of Normandy he doesn't appear to be related, but he was actually descended from Edward's father King Edgar, great-grandson of Alfred the Great who is often accounted the first King of England by virtue of ruling enough territory to merit the title. (Alfred actually called himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons".) And no, England hasn't gone through many changes of name since then. The name may have evolved along with the language, but it was never changed. The first king to call himself "King of England" (or, as it was in Old English, Engla land) was Cnut in 1016, but the term for the whole of the country ruled as a heptarchy was older even if it was not yet a nation-state. Certainly "English" as a name for the Germanic invaders of whatever ethnicity dates to around the 5th or 6th century. Now, if by "current lineage" you mean straight-line male descendants, it's true that the present line was founded by Queen Victoria. But she was crowned in 1837 and so the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Since WWI, "Windsor") is older than most modern countries' constitutions. Now there can be no further changes in dynasty. QEII decided her children will remain "House of Windsor", and since simple primogeniture is now law it's likely to last as long as the monarchy itself does. In any event, the king in question here reigned in the 20th century and was QEII's grandfather. So Simon still shouldn't have been especially surprised. And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why it's harder to debunk a false claim than to make one in the first place.
Simon doesn't really help the stereotype that newsreaders are actually dumb and just read what they're given. At least his blunders are funny versus so many of the political commentators where they start reading off scripts.
That's not the only place people have heard it though. At least, I never watched the original star trek (I did watch TNG and Voyager) so my introduction to botanky bay was not Khan's ship. It's hazy and I can't remember the specifics, so I can't remember for certain, but I'm pretty sure I heard of it a song? I think something to do with pirates? There's a tune trying (unsuccessfully) to make it's way out of my brain when I hear "Botany Bay".
13:26 No, she meant Suez canal, most of transports from Asia to Europe is normally coming through Suez Canal, why would they go longer way trough America?
Botany bay is where prisoners were transported to in Australia. If you went to an English school there is a good chance you sang the song (We're bound for) Botany Bay in Assembly.
I knew I heard it in a song! 😁 So many comments here saying Botany Bay is familiar because it's the name of a ship in star trek, but I didn't watch star trek so I knew that wasn't where I heard of it. I didn't go to an English school (from the US, but a bit of an anglophile at times), but could swear it was from a song I heard somewhere. There was a tune I can't quite remember that was trying to make its way out of my brain.
In the Star Trek episode the genetically enhanced people were imprisoned at Botany Bay after starting the eugenics wars and that's why the sleeper ship was named after the penal colony.
@dominatorduck65 I think Simon actually gets possessed by the ghosts of random hosts and when he does this show he doesn't realize he did some of the others.
@@MCsCreations I bought my son one and the seams are awful. The one I grew up with still had the USSR, Burma, and a few others, but it was awesome, I learned so much.
Yep, that’s his intention - to be relatable. If he was honest about his prolific, varied, and robust knowledge bank, we would find him off-putting. We’d feel dumb. So every now and then he pretends he’s consuming the topic for the first time
As a Dutch person, I find it very hard to believe anyone would confuse "Vergulde Vlaming" with "Vliegende Vlaming". The pronunciation is actually quite different (not bashing on Simon's pronunciation here - the effort is appreciated). The poster on Quora also doesn't seem to have a very Dutch / Belgian name. So, it sounds like a fun theory, but, in my eyes, unlikely.
MEh ik weet het niet Tis super hard for a random non Dutch guy to get around our (for them) weird pronunciations even for zeh Germans its hard to pronounce some words, like Scheveningen as a famous example
I live in South Africa, "The Flying Dutchman" is either a burger or a sauce name in almost every mom and pop restaurant along the coastal tourist routes. My first restaurant, I had a (cringe I was young) a burger called the Flying Dutchman. Its basically due to a creamy peppery sauce that has its roots in Dutch culinary. So you know... "The Flying Dutchman" is tagged onto anything smothered in creamy pepper sauce. There is some FYI from a resident living along the coast of the infamous ship. :)
Yep. Suez for short-cutting past Africa, Panama for the same past the similarly-dangerous Cape Horn at the bottom of South America. We have two of these, you see.
I'm not really sure why he's called fact boy, anyway. He doesn't pay attention to the scripts a hilarious percentage of the time, forgets everything as soon as he's done reading it, etc. He's really just Ambitious Narrator Boy, lol.
@@katywatson4940 Ur just going to have to take ur revenge by working a lot of references, Simon doesnt understand (like Dune), into ur scripts. And ofc pepper them with Simon traps like "effortlessly" 😋😋
Pretty sure the suez canal is right... Suez Canal is a shortcut from eruope to Asia. Panama Canal is a short cut from the Asia to the East Coast of the Americas.
I think it's cool to see as an aside, just how deeply the writers of the second two "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies did their research. Tons of elements of the legend and the surrounding tales that worked into the story.
Yea hearing the bit about having to serve on the Dutchman for 600 years and playing dice with the devil immediately made me think of the "liar's dice" scene
"What of the ship that’s out there? Do we leave her to the gale?" "She’s called the Flying Dutchman And it’s rage that fills her sails!" - The Flying Dutchman (song) by The Jolly Rogers.
The talk about Botany Bay was a golden opportunity to include that clip from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan where Chekov realizes he's on Khan's ship.
This is the absolute earliest I have ever been to a Decoding the Unknown video, and it's about one of my favorite ghost ships, so awesome! I actually saw a Fata Morgana illusion once. It was a cruise ship that was just on the line of the horizon near Jones Beach on Long Island.
I just logged into youtube to say to the editor/writer congratulations on that deep cut Brooklyn 99 reference. Just amazing job all around, even if Simon remains oblivious and culturally unaware .
There's an awesome ride in the Dutch themepark De Efteling. They tell the story while you're in line. I think the captain is called Willem Barendzoon in that version. But it's been a while since I've been.
Ah that explains why I have been screaming "its a fata morgana!" At my screen since the beginning of the episode and was so shocked its not common knowlage. I knew it was because of an amusentpark I went to as a kid bit since it was the Efteling it explains why only Dutch people would know the ride and lore behind it.
Indeed. Went for a ride on it a couple of months ago. Very fun and I absolutely love how you get told the backstory while you wait. Me and a friend, who love history, spend all the time waiting, debating the legend and real Dutch maritime history.
And it got a solid reference from Chekov in the original Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when he found Khan's engraved belt buckle: "Botany Bay? Botany Bay... oh no! We have to get out of here!" 🤗
I've _never_ heard of this "Mary Celeste". The Flying Dutchman is the most famous ghost ship by far (even before the Pirates Of The Carribbean movies).
The Mary Celeste was an abandoned ship found at sea. No ghosts, just a mystery. The Flying Dutchman was ship that disappeared with only "apparition"/ghostly sighting afterwards, hence "ghost ship". There were many others.
Yep, exactly as I thought, a seafaring version of "The Wild Hunt", what's been said to be the oldest story. A Decoding the unknown on that could be interesting, since it predates written language by a stupidly long time.
"Flemish people do not consider themselves Dutch or synonymous with Dutch people " However, the kingdom of the Netherlands before 1839 included Belgium so the Flemish people considered themselves Dutch.
3:45 - Chapter 1 - Mentions & sightings ; spying the dutchman 11:15 - Chapter 2 - The real story ; the realying dutchamn ? 23:20 - Chapter 3 - What could people be seeing ; the eyeing dutchman 27:10 - Chapter 4 - Popular culture ; The flying in touch man 34:35 - Chapter 5 - Dutchman as metaphor ; the trying too much man
10 years ago, on a school trip, we went to Osmington bay for a couple days. One day, we went to the coast, and threw pebbles into the sea. As other classmates threw theirs, me and my friend noticed an old pirate-like ship sailing in the very far distance that we could see. I could make out three to four sails, and it was heading towards the west. At first, I assumed it was a ghost ship, an old spanish armada ship that was stuck sailing. Years later, I knew it wasn't exactly a ghost ship, I thought it would've been a tourist ship that was designed to look like an old ship from the 16th century. I had researched the routes that the Armada took, and it fit exactly. In other words, it was just a refurbished boat from that time period I think.
I always heard a version of the story that the captain of the flying Dutchman set sail on Easter morning during a storm and said in Dutch "Weer of geen weer, Pasen of geen Pasen, ik vaar uit" (Good or bad weather, Easter or no Easter, I wil set sail). And that because of that he mad god mad and him and his crew were doomed to sail forever. It's told before the popular rollercoaster water ride called the Flying Dutchman (de vliegende Hollander) in a dutch theme park (the Efteling)
I knew about The Story of the Flying Dutchman when I was still in single digits, before Spongebob had even aired. I hadn't heard about The Mary Celeste until I went out of my way to research other ghostships in high school
@@rosscarr6817 it would just be the “we’re costco guys” video except instead of costco and coffee (or cocoa, whatever they are) beans, it’d be the whistler-verse and scripts
.... same here. I can remember when I was first introduced to his channel and because it had been a number of years since I last visited Britain I couldn't make heads or tails of what that man was saying. So the only way for me to understand half of what he was saying was to change the speed on the video to 0.75 and then I could understand everything outside of that it's just one long run on sentence of sound effects and, gibberish.
Just want to point out something you kinda overlooked. The drinking. In the 16th and 17th centuries almost all ships would struggle to carry enough fresh water for the crew. It was actually easier to purchase alcohol and wine then actual water. So a lot of sailors were probably suffering some form of alcoholism and seeing stuff that wasn't there. Plus when your stuck on a boat for weeks at a time doing the same tasks everyday, your brain goes numb from bordom. Stories were probably the way sailors past the time. So maybe the legend of the flying Dutchman is just that a story. Great video can't wait for the next.
Thank you!! I got so mad watching this and thinking I’d made a stupid mistake. I went back and checked the script and had not written “pacific” anywhere so he was just making stuff up in his own brain then for geography confused 😂
@@katywatson4940 you did a phenomenal job on the script Katy, just ole Simon having a brain fart I suppose. Keep up the great work! Hearing your scripts is what keeps me going as a glorified live in nanny since I shut down my custom hat store in April.
I remember watching a documentary on the Flying Dutchman on TH-cam and it was rather good, it didn't tout that ghost were real or anything rather it explored the history of how the legend came to be and tried to find the kernel of truth of the legend.
Maybe Simon should find a text-to-speech whenever there is a quote older than 100 years. It is funny seeing him struggle sometimes, but it could be his last ditch effort for the rough times, and when he gets completely tongue-tied.
@@wingerding It's not necessarily pronounced nearly the same as more modern English and the vocabulary can be wildly different. You know, the same reasons Simon struggles with it?
How I know it is that there was a VOC ship which took a different course (between the Lowlands and the Cape) and was so fast at Cape of good hope that they didn’t believe it. The captain did it more then once in the years after and so came the name of “De Vliegende Hollander” for him and his ship. It was never a name of a Dutch ship in that time. Later the KLM (Royal Dutch Airline) which made commercials with the name “De Vliegende Hollander”, which was quite smart to think of it!
I've seen two "ghost ships" up until now. Once was a yacht, another one was a container ship. Most likely caused by optical illusions (the same phenomenon that causes Fata Morgana). One might be caused by a strange combination of a low lying beach and some rocks and human eyes not being great in measuring distance without an anchor point (thus the ship looking bigger and closer than it actually was and vanishing behind a rock, not into it). None of it was the Flying Dutchman. Not even when I was at the Indian Ocean in bad weather. Twice.
Katy mentioning early on that the captain of The Flying Dutchman played since with the devil for his soul, and then not mentioning that in the summary of Gor Verbinski's influences for PotC ...
Huh, that's interesting. The Falkenberg story might have some influence on the version of the Flying Dutchman and Davy Jones that we see in Dead Man's Chest where we see Davy Jones, Captain of the Flying Dutchman in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, playing dice with his crew, presumably something they've been doing for centuries.
I was gonna ramble some in Dutch that it’s not so hard. Then I remembered: “Het is eigenlijk toch best wel moeilijk…” So on second thought I agree with you.
There was also the 1951 ‘Pandora and the Flying Dutchman’ with the luscious Ava Gardner as Pandora Reynolds and James Mason as the cursed Hendrick van der Zee.
The 1951 film Pandora and the Flying Dutchman, starring Ava Gardner and James Mason, is worth mentioning here. An interesting take on the legend. Also Stan Lee and John Buscema made good use of the Dutchman as a foe of the Silver Surfer in Marvel's late 60s/early 70s comic series.
As a Flemish person, knowing the discussions about different accents between Flanders and the Netherlands… We win guys, Simon pronounced the name of our ship more correctly than De Vliegende Hollander 🇧🇪🇳🇱😂
Modern English translation of Sir George Barrenton's report of possible paranormal maritime event: "Last night 2 security guards saw, or thought they saw a boat heading right into us going fast. One of them said it looked like his friend's boat that tragically sank during the last superstorm. But since there was a lot of fog and they were drunk, the men made a pact to keep it quiet until they had grandkids to raise and/ or babysit"
Some info on the In N Out Burger Flying Dutchman- Guy Snyder, son of In N Out founders Harry and Ester Snyder, was really into drag racing. His hot rod was named The Flying Dutchman. He often liked to eat just two cheese patties stacked on top of one another at In N Out. Eventually those two cheese patties stacked on one another became named the Flying Dutchman after his hot rot. I doubt he thought that his concoction would ever become as popular as it is today.
I drive through a large open flat area on my way to work every day (on land, not near the ocean) and I see fata morgana mirages all the time. They allow me to see buildings, small hills, etc. that are over the horizon, or they make things that I can see look larger than they actually are, or they look weird because the image is mirrored vertically. Super weird - very cool. I see these frequently, not every day, but frequently and in the same general location. If I see one in front of me as I drive then I can watch it resolve from a weird mirage into the the actual object as I approach it at highway speed. I would expect career sailors who have spent years or decades at sea to have seen such things often enough to recognize them for what they were and not some kind of spiritual apparition or magic illusion. If an old salt is telling stories about the flying Dutchman being a floating ship on the horizon then I think it most likely that they're just having a laugh at the expense of some greenhorn.
yeah you see them often during warm weather on a long road, the asphalt seems to turn into a mirror and you're able to "see" things in the road surface.
My guess about the Flying Dutchman's name was never that the ship was actually airborne, but instead that it could move really quickly. It was "flying" in that sense. It was named before one could literally fly somewhere in an airplane after all.
I don't work at In n Out but as a california native I feel confident in saying that it's because it's served in the little fry "boat" because it's bunless. I just get my double double protien style, with chopped grilled, and whole grilled onions.
I had a few cousins and uncles that worked at the original in Baldwin Park and I doubt they told them why it was called that, it's not an official menu item anyhow.
A good fifty years ago I heard an ostensibly famous poem about the Flying Dutchman in school, I think, probably around Halloween. We had all the lights off as we listened and I remember a warning to avoid becoming part of "Van Der Vecken's crew." I don't remember much more, though we had pictures (looked like woodcuts) of "ghost ships," and the whole atmosphere was very creepy (and a lot of fun). That experience made the legend of the Flying Dutchman as real to me as anything else like the lost Franklin voyage to find the Northwest Passage or the Scott, Admunsen race to the South Pole.
My belief is that this goes back to Bernard Fokke, a Dutch sea captain who made a record passage in 1678 of 3 months, 4 days from Holland to Batavia in the East Indies. Dutch captains were notorious in that era for driving their crews hard to make a profit, and Fokke was the fastest, hardest driving captain of his era. That passage was so fast at the time that some people claimed he must have had supernatural aid to do it, so the legend of the hard-driving captain in league with the devil was born. These legends passed into sailing lore, and likely got told and retold hundreds of times, a few details changing from time to time. They emerged in the 1790s in British communications, poems, and other fictional works. The story was recycled over and over in the next 30 years and became an English play in 1826. Richard Wagner adopted and re-wrote the play as an opera in 1843, and we've been telling stories about Dutch ghost ships ever since. By the way, Fokke's ship was named Snoeper, which means "Sweet Tooth" or glutton. It was a galjoot, or galliot in English, which is a smaller ship of not more than 400 tons, with rounded ends like a fluyt. The entire crew was only 11 men, so a very fast voyage with a small ship.
8:39 I had my phone locked and in my pocket, but I whipped it out so fast for this. Finally some random knowledge of mine is useful! "Forecastle" in reference to the part of a ship is not pronounced as it is spelled. It is pronounced like "foke-sull", first bit rhymes with coke, so Simon should have no issue remembering that, and the second half would rhyme with full.
Suez Canal Simon... Not Panama Canal. The Dutch VOC established a colony in South Africa for this particular reason, it was about a half-way point between The Netherlands and the center of their spice trades (SE Asia)
Writer here. I did write “Indian ocean”. For whatever reason, Simon’s eyes, brain and mouth decided on “Pacific”.
Kind regards.
Not to surprised 😂
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Nobody who watches Simon is going to be surprised by this, lol. Same goes for his incorrect Suez Canal "correction" in the first place. As soon as he said it I knew it was one of those cases where he hadn't been paying attention to the script and was under a misapprehension.
Oooo. Reader bias, Mr. Simon!
Editor here: there may or may not have been a lengthy animation pointing out Katy’s correct script v. Simon’s ability to decimate correct things in scripts.
I was worried everyone would think I’d made the geographical blunders but how I underestimated the viewers and their assumptions that Simon was actually wrong 😆 Thanks for the vindication everyone!
I was screaming its the Drake passage lol
Assumptions?
An idea for an episode could be the sinking of M/S Estonia. She sank in the 90s with a lot of people onboard. A lot of conspiracy theories around her. CIA, Russian submarines, explosives and more. Take a look
1:05 as your designated Dutch person in the comments: that was pretty good actually!
Now that we're here: "Cape of Good Hope" comes from the old Dutch saying "Op goede hoop handelen", basically translating to "to do something based on good hope alone". It means undertaking a desperate task, hoping against hope you will succeed. So it's pretty fitting for the location to be fair.
As a fellow Dutch person, I second this!
@@christinevanrooij8061 As another fellow Dutchie, seconded (thirded?) that as well.
I want to add though, the Vliegende Hollander is very very real. Just go to the Efteling 😂
As a person raised in the UK and Australia I pretty much got the impression that the cape of "good hope" meant cross your fingers and hope 😂
I like Simon's surprise that a past king of the UK was in fact an ancestor of the late Queen, as if it were some kind of startling coincidence rather than what you would normally expect when a crown is handed on only within a single family.
And then Simon confusing the Cape of Good Hope (at the southern tip of Africa) with Cape Horn (at the southern tip of South America). It's avoiding Cape Horn that made the Panama Canal so awesome. Avoiding the Cape of Good Hope is what made the *Suez* Canal so awesome. 16:08 -- KATIE SAID INDIAN OCEAN, SIMON. YOU'RE THE ONE GOING NUTS HERE.
Remember Queen Elizabeth II was crowned in the 1950s and was the sole monarch for the majority if not the entirety of some people's lifetimes.
Except,....most kings and queens of "England" (in quotes, because it's gone thru many names thru the centuries since the viking days), aren't as closely related as you seem to imply.
The current liniage is relatively recent, historically speaking.
@@cjpietropinto9293 That's only true if you count descent through eldest surviving sons. However British law acknowledged female descent even before they switched to simple primogeniture a little while ago. For example, by law the crown goes to the senior Protestant descendant of Sophia, Electress of Hanover, herself a granddaughter of James VI/I. So let's start there.
James' mother Mary was a great-granddaughter of Henry VII and therefore had enough of a claim to the throne (in default of male heirs) to worry Elizabeth. Henry's mother was great-granddaughter of John of Gaunt, a son of Edward III, and his wife (through whom he had the stronger claim) was a daughter of Edward IV, who was also descended from John of Gaunt. From there it's an unbroken male line back to Henry II, son of Mathilda, daughter of Henry I, son of William the Bastard. William, according to his account, had been promised the crown by Edward the Confessor, and as the illegitimate son of the Duke of Normandy he doesn't appear to be related, but he was actually descended from Edward's father King Edgar, great-grandson of Alfred the Great who is often accounted the first King of England by virtue of ruling enough territory to merit the title. (Alfred actually called himself "King of the Anglo-Saxons".)
And no, England hasn't gone through many changes of name since then. The name may have evolved along with the language, but it was never changed. The first king to call himself "King of England" (or, as it was in Old English, Engla land) was Cnut in 1016, but the term for the whole of the country ruled as a heptarchy was older even if it was not yet a nation-state. Certainly "English" as a name for the Germanic invaders of whatever ethnicity dates to around the 5th or 6th century.
Now, if by "current lineage" you mean straight-line male descendants, it's true that the present line was founded by Queen Victoria. But she was crowned in 1837 and so the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Since WWI, "Windsor") is older than most modern countries' constitutions. Now there can be no further changes in dynasty. QEII decided her children will remain "House of Windsor", and since simple primogeniture is now law it's likely to last as long as the monarchy itself does.
In any event, the king in question here reigned in the 20th century and was QEII's grandfather. So Simon still shouldn't have been especially surprised.
And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why it's harder to debunk a false claim than to make one in the first place.
Simon doesn't really help the stereotype that newsreaders are actually dumb and just read what they're given. At least his blunders are funny versus so many of the political commentators where they start reading off scripts.
The Botany Bay was Khan’s ship in Star Trek 👍🏻
Its also a port in Australia.
That's not the only place people have heard it though. At least, I never watched the original star trek (I did watch TNG and Voyager) so my introduction to botanky bay was not Khan's ship. It's hazy and I can't remember the specifics, so I can't remember for certain, but I'm pretty sure I heard of it a song? I think something to do with pirates? There's a tune trying (unsuccessfully) to make it's way out of my brain when I hear "Botany Bay".
It is also a head shop in Kentucky.
@@seanmorgan2356 Australia has the best truck driver meth
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13:26 No, she meant Suez canal, most of transports from Asia to Europe is normally coming through Suez Canal, why would they go longer way trough America?
He's thinking the Cape of Good Hope goes below Argentina and Chile (i.e. confusing it for Cape Horn), I think.
If you watch to whole thing, Simon does figures this out during the video and does correct himself.
@gewoonik687 Yep, this is what they get for commenting before watching 😂
Botany bay is where prisoners were transported to in Australia. If you went to an English school there is a good chance you sang the song (We're bound for) Botany Bay in Assembly.
I knew I heard it in a song! 😁
So many comments here saying Botany Bay is familiar because it's the name of a ship in star trek, but I didn't watch star trek so I knew that wasn't where I heard of it. I didn't go to an English school (from the US, but a bit of an anglophile at times), but could swear it was from a song I heard somewhere. There was a tune I can't quite remember that was trying to make its way out of my brain.
In the Star Trek episode the genetically enhanced people were imprisoned at Botany Bay after starting the eugenics wars and that's why the sleeper ship was named after the penal colony.
Also a shopping destination in Lancashire near Chorley from the 90s
It's a place in Kent near to where Simon grew up
This is where Simon recognizes the name from @@zarasbazaar
Simon's continuous confusing of the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal is so funny to me
Are we all getting Simon a geography book? 😅
He really needs it, confusing cape Horn with cape Good Hope.
Looks at Geophysics how was he good at that one??
@dominatorduck65 I think Simon actually gets possessed by the ghosts of random hosts and when he does this show he doesn't realize he did some of the others.
I think he'd prefer a globe. I know I want one...
@@MCsCreations I bought my son one and the seams are awful. The one I grew up with still had the USSR, Burma, and a few others, but it was awesome, I learned so much.
Simon really, really makes me feel so smart.
Yep, that’s his intention - to be relatable. If he was honest about his prolific, varied, and robust knowledge bank, we would find him off-putting. We’d feel dumb. So every now and then he pretends he’s consuming the topic for the first time
As a Dutch person, I find it very hard to believe anyone would confuse "Vergulde Vlaming" with "Vliegende Vlaming". The pronunciation is actually quite different (not bashing on Simon's pronunciation here - the effort is appreciated). The poster on Quora also doesn't seem to have a very Dutch / Belgian name. So, it sounds like a fun theory, but, in my eyes, unlikely.
He really butchered that part 😂
MEh ik weet het niet
Tis super hard for a random non Dutch guy to get around our (for them) weird pronunciations
even for zeh Germans its hard to pronounce some words, like Scheveningen as a famous example
I live in South Africa, "The Flying Dutchman" is either a burger or a sauce name in almost every mom and pop restaurant along the coastal tourist routes. My first restaurant, I had a (cringe I was young) a burger called the Flying Dutchman. Its basically due to a creamy peppery sauce that has its roots in Dutch culinary. So you know... "The Flying Dutchman" is tagged onto anything smothered in creamy pepper sauce. There is some FYI from a resident living along the coast of the infamous ship. :)
Suez canal was correct
Yep. Suez for short-cutting past Africa, Panama for the same past the similarly-dangerous Cape Horn at the bottom of South America. We have two of these, you see.
Hahaha yeah, The Panama canal is shockingly in Panama. 😂
Yeah, the one time he doesn’t verify with ChatGPT he gets it wrong, lol.
He confused southern tip of Africa with South America. He’s an honorary US citizen now. Lol
"WHAT AN IDIOT!!!" Meme opportunity missed.
Katy is just like DAMNIT FACT BOY LET ME DO MY JOB
I got really annoyed watching this - I did not actually make any geographical mistakes 😆
I'm not really sure why he's called fact boy, anyway. He doesn't pay attention to the scripts a hilarious percentage of the time, forgets everything as soon as he's done reading it, etc. He's really just Ambitious Narrator Boy, lol.
@@katywatson4940 🤣🤣🤣 Simon was off his meds this episode 🤣
@@katywatson4940 Ur just going to have to take ur revenge by working a lot of references, Simon doesnt understand (like Dune), into ur scripts. And ofc pepper them with Simon traps like "effortlessly" 😋😋
@@Numb3r3dDaysbecause he states many facts
Simon, Botany Bay is where Captain James Cook landed when he "discovered" Australia
No I believe you meant to say captain Crunch. Easy mistake so no need to apologize. 😊
It was also the name of the ship that stranded Kahn on Ceti Alpha 5 in Stra Trek The Wrath of Kahn.
@@patriciaposthumus6684was just about to type this after confirming.
Yeah they obviously don't learn about that in schools in England, even though it's part of their history too.
Today, I learned this was an actual myth. I thought it was just a SpongeBob character.
Pretty sure the suez canal is right... Suez Canal is a shortcut from eruope to Asia. Panama Canal is a short cut from the Asia to the East Coast of the Americas.
It is correct! Simon confused himself by misreading Indian as Pacific.
I think it's cool to see as an aside, just how deeply the writers of the second two "Pirates of the Caribbean" movies did their research. Tons of elements of the legend and the surrounding tales that worked into the story.
Yea hearing the bit about having to serve on the Dutchman for 600 years and playing dice with the devil immediately made me think of the "liar's dice" scene
Yes, there was more information on the backstory of that then there was on the original legend!
"What of the ship that’s out there?
Do we leave her to the gale?"
"She’s called the Flying Dutchman
And it’s rage that fills her sails!" - The Flying Dutchman (song) by The Jolly Rogers.
The talk about Botany Bay was a golden opportunity to include that clip from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan where Chekov realizes he's on Khan's ship.
This is the absolute earliest I have ever been to a Decoding the Unknown video, and it's about one of my favorite ghost ships, so awesome! I actually saw a Fata Morgana illusion once. It was a cruise ship that was just on the line of the horizon near Jones Beach on Long Island.
There's speculation that a fata morgana played a role in the sinking of the Titanic.
@@zarasbazaar😮 .... in what way? Never heard that one, before.
@@zarasbazaar I've never heard that before. Can you elaborate?
And it was on this day we learned Simon dies not understand the canals.
“Foretopmost, one word.” Made me chuckle. He’s so angry about it lol.
I just logged into youtube to say to the editor/writer congratulations on that deep cut Brooklyn 99 reference. Just amazing job all around, even if Simon remains oblivious and culturally unaware .
De vliegende hollander. Was pretty good spoken for a non dutchmen
The way in which one speaks is not a moral quality.
Just remember the Dutch harsh 'g'
oh come on! it was terrible as always.
There's an awesome ride in the Dutch themepark De Efteling. They tell the story while you're in line. I think the captain is called Willem Barendzoon in that version. But it's been a while since I've been.
Captains name in de vliegende Hollander in de Efteling is Willem Van der Decken.
(And there is also a ride named de Fata Morgana in the Efteling)
Ah that explains why I have been screaming "its a fata morgana!" At my screen since the beginning of the episode and was so shocked its not common knowlage. I knew it was because of an amusentpark I went to as a kid bit since it was the Efteling it explains why only Dutch people would know the ride and lore behind it.
And one off the KLM planes is named the flying dutchman
Indeed. Went for a ride on it a couple of months ago. Very fun and I absolutely love how you get told the backstory while you wait. Me and a friend, who love history, spend all the time waiting, debating the legend and real Dutch maritime history.
the SS Botany Bay was Khan's sleeper ship in Star Trek
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Between Khan and Star Trek 4 lol but then Anthony Hopkins and the south Pacific. Lol nerds are we all
And it got a solid reference from Chekov in the original Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when he found Khan's engraved belt buckle: "Botany Bay? Botany Bay... oh no! We have to get out of here!" 🤗
Botany Bay was where Captain Cook first set foot on Australia.
What's a sleeper ship?
I've _never_ heard of this "Mary Celeste". The Flying Dutchman is the most famous ghost ship by far (even before the Pirates Of The Carribbean movies).
@@captainchaos3667 the Mary Celeste was one of the first vids we did on here!
As Katie mentioned in her reply, DTU covered the Mary Celeste, and it's a great piece of history! Well done, Katie and Simon! 👏👏👏
The Mary Celeste was an abandoned ship found at sea. No ghosts, just a mystery.
The Flying Dutchman was ship that disappeared with only "apparition"/ghostly sighting afterwards, hence "ghost ship". There were many others.
I don't think I've even heard of "Mary Celeste" before it was mentioned off hand in this video.
@@themurmeli88 get thee to the oldest videos on here
Yep, exactly as I thought, a seafaring version of "The Wild Hunt", what's been said to be the oldest story. A Decoding the unknown on that could be interesting, since it predates written language by a stupidly long time.
"Flemish people do not consider themselves Dutch or synonymous with Dutch people "
However, the kingdom of the Netherlands before 1839 included Belgium so the Flemish people considered themselves Dutch.
3:45 - Chapter 1 - Mentions & sightings ; spying the dutchman
11:15 - Chapter 2 - The real story ; the realying dutchamn ?
23:20 - Chapter 3 - What could people be seeing ; the eyeing dutchman
27:10 - Chapter 4 - Popular culture ; The flying in touch man
34:35 - Chapter 5 - Dutchman as metaphor ; the trying too much man
Julian that edit in the intro where you slap Simon on screen like that is some S-tier editing
S-tier is not a rating to be thrown around like some bald TH-camr, mate. That shit is high praise…thx!
Do the "mutiny on the Batavia" ship story. Its absolutely wild!
10 years ago, on a school trip, we went to Osmington bay for a couple days. One day, we went to the coast, and threw pebbles into the sea. As other classmates threw theirs, me and my friend noticed an old pirate-like ship sailing in the very far distance that we could see. I could make out three to four sails, and it was heading towards the west. At first, I assumed it was a ghost ship, an old spanish armada ship that was stuck sailing.
Years later, I knew it wasn't exactly a ghost ship, I thought it would've been a tourist ship that was designed to look like an old ship from the 16th century. I had researched the routes that the Armada took, and it fit exactly. In other words, it was just a refurbished boat from that time period I think.
I always heard a version of the story that the captain of the flying Dutchman set sail on Easter morning during a storm and said in Dutch "Weer of geen weer, Pasen of geen Pasen, ik vaar uit" (Good or bad weather, Easter or no Easter, I wil set sail). And that because of that he mad god mad and him and his crew were doomed to sail forever. It's told before the popular rollercoaster water ride called the Flying Dutchman (de vliegende Hollander) in a dutch theme park (the Efteling)
I knew about The Story of the Flying Dutchman when I was still in single digits, before Spongebob had even aired. I hadn't heard about The Mary Celeste until I went out of my way to research other ghostships in high school
”Botany Bay?!” - In my best Pavel Chekov impersonation
I always liked that the captains from the Simpsons has a sea food restaurant called “The Fryin’ Dutchmen.” XD
So glad the editor knows Meat Canyon
What would a meat canyon episode on Simon be like? Him taking over TH-cam and making it Simon Tube? 😂
@@mariawhite7337 gotta have something about the blazement in there.
@@rosscarr6817 it would just be the “we’re costco guys” video except instead of costco and coffee (or cocoa, whatever they are) beans, it’d be the whistler-verse and scripts
Simon is one of the only ppl that talk fast enough I don’t listen to the episodes sped up
.... same here. I can remember when I was first introduced to his channel and because it had been a number of years since I last visited Britain I couldn't make heads or tails of what that man was saying. So the only way for me to understand half of what he was saying was to change the speed on the video to 0.75 and then I could understand everything outside of that it's just one long run on sentence of sound effects and, gibberish.
literally had an uncle roger ad and 7:34 threw me for a loop
Just want to point out something you kinda overlooked.
The drinking.
In the 16th and 17th centuries almost all ships would struggle to carry enough fresh water for the crew. It was actually easier to purchase alcohol and wine then actual water.
So a lot of sailors were probably suffering some form of alcoholism and seeing stuff that wasn't there.
Plus when your stuck on a boat for weeks at a time doing the same tasks everyday, your brain goes numb from bordom. Stories were probably the way sailors past the time. So maybe the legend of the flying Dutchman is just that a story. Great video can't wait for the next.
The Panama Canal is in Central America, the Suez Canal is indeed correct so no need to question Katie. Sorry to correct you on this one fact boy.
Thank you!! I got so mad watching this and thinking I’d made a stupid mistake. I went back and checked the script and had not written “pacific” anywhere so he was just making stuff up in his own brain then for geography confused 😂
@@katywatson4940 you did a phenomenal job on the script Katy, just ole Simon having a brain fart I suppose. Keep up the great work! Hearing your scripts is what keeps me going as a glorified live in nanny since I shut down my custom hat store in April.
@@ph0t0sh0pmast3r sorry to hear that but thanks!
I remember watching a documentary on the Flying Dutchman on TH-cam and it was rather good, it didn't tout that ghost were real or anything rather it explored the history of how the legend came to be and tried to find the kernel of truth of the legend.
The editing on this episode is fucking FANTASTIC! XD
@VulianJu strikes again
I particularly liked the boing, boing, small fart as he bounded away from his chair, lol.
@@katywatson4940gurrrrrrl, I never stop striking.
Maybe Simon should find a text-to-speech whenever there is a quote older than 100 years. It is funny seeing him struggle sometimes, but it could be his last ditch effort for the rough times, and when he gets completely tongue-tied.
I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, but do you really think practically any text-to-speak application can handle old timey language?
@@Narangarath even if it can't, it would be funny to see Simon react to it
@Narangarath why would it have a problem? It just converts the text to speech...
@@wingerding It's not necessarily pronounced nearly the same as more modern English and the vocabulary can be wildly different. You know, the same reasons Simon struggles with it?
@@MovieFanatic4500 That is very much true.
How I know it is that there was a VOC ship which took a different course (between the Lowlands and the Cape) and was so fast at Cape of good hope that they didn’t believe it.
The captain did it more then once in the years after and so came the name of “De Vliegende Hollander” for him and his ship.
It was never a name of a Dutch ship in that time.
Later the KLM (Royal Dutch Airline) which made commercials with the name “De Vliegende Hollander”, which was quite smart to think of it!
14:33 This. Whenever I watch a Simon Whistler hosted video, my feed is taken over by such videos.
The Spongebob MeatCanyon edit!!! 🔥🔥
No, pretty sure she meant suez
I did, thank you! Simon got confused by saying “pacific” when it was “Indian Ocean” in the script 🤦🏽♀️
I thought it was a seafood restaurant on The Simpsons.
it's both - in these hard times a second job isn't uncommon.
I'm sure there's hundreds Everyday coming and going from Eindhoven
I think you’re getting confused with the frying dutchman
S"x cauldron? I thought the shut that place down...
"That man ate all our shrimp and took plastic lobsters" - Squeaky voiced teen.
"I probably haven't so don't know how you'll find it"
And that's the peak influencer content we're here for!
Simon should check out Gravity Falls with his kids as it is highly enjoyable for the whole family.
Nope, Katie is correct, it is the Suez Canal.
I've seen two "ghost ships" up until now. Once was a yacht, another one was a container ship. Most likely caused by optical illusions (the same phenomenon that causes Fata Morgana). One might be caused by a strange combination of a low lying beach and some rocks and human eyes not being great in measuring distance without an anchor point (thus the ship looking bigger and closer than it actually was and vanishing behind a rock, not into it).
None of it was the Flying Dutchman. Not even when I was at the Indian Ocean in bad weather. Twice.
I once thought I saw a ghost ship. But it was a replica. And it was docked. In the middle of a city. And I was 6.
9:05 Phhhwahhahaha imagine German U-boats trying to torpedo the freakin' *Flying Dutchman* 🤣🤣🤣
Well have you been attacked by the flying Dutchman since mister smarty-pants? Yeah I thought so. Thanks German u boats for keeping us safe.
I'm pretty sure there's a c grade Cthulhu type horror movie based on that 🤣
@@ChristinaMaterna honestly I'd watch it, sounds like the kind of fun I need after a *really* bad week
@@sharlharmakhis280 wish I could find it anymore :(
Instead can I offer you to watch "the keep"
Also Nazi and cthulhu elements and b grade brilliance
20:50 love the BrainBlaze rimshot.
Katy mentioning early on that the captain of The Flying Dutchman played since with the devil for his soul, and then not mentioning that in the summary of Gor Verbinski's influences for PotC ...
Huh, that's interesting.
The Falkenberg story might have some influence on the version of the Flying Dutchman and Davy Jones that we see in Dead Man's Chest where we see Davy Jones, Captain of the Flying Dutchman in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, playing dice with his crew, presumably something they've been doing for centuries.
It's all about the effort, Simon, well done!
This Dutchman is very happy!
Forecastle is pronounced. Foc’sill
Imagine how theyd pronounce foreskin lmao
Your pronaunciation for " De vliegende Hollander" actually wasn't bad for a first try Simon! It's a damn hard language
I was gonna ramble some in Dutch that it’s not so hard. Then I remembered: “Het is eigenlijk toch best wel moeilijk…” So on second thought I agree with you.
@@chrisvanlaarhoven2722 een enorm lastige taal om te leren dus ja voor een first attempt was het best goed
Omg this is a dream come true! I really hoped he would cover this one one day!
Excited to watch this one! I've built a model of The Flying Dutchman ship and love the legend of it.
1:30 *SpongeBob:* "look, gold doubloons!"
*Proceeds to give Gary 2 bars of soap*
*SpongeBob:* "Don't drop 'em." *Wink*
Yeah, it’s very dramatic, but no one ever says how anyone knew about the captain’s profane oath if the ship went down with all hands.
He probably tells it himself when he goes ashore every seven years to f-, sh-, look for love.
I will NEVER think of St Elmo's Fire in the same way again 🤣
Have to admit, I love the ship ones. Ghost or conspiracy theory. Either or.
Solid intro fr
the burger has cheese on it. The Dutch love eating cheese, one of the nickname of a Dutchman is Kaaskop - cheesehead
“Cheesehead” also refers to a Green Bay Wisconsin football fan
The nickname kaaskop comes from a war where the local Dutch used the wooden barrels used for cheese making as helmets.
As a dutchman, always happy to see when something from our legends gets told 😊.
Am I the only Dutch who chuckles when Simon miss pronounce Dutch words ? haha
"cape of gape".. thats a new one simon
There was also the 1951 ‘Pandora and the Flying Dutchman’ with the luscious Ava Gardner as Pandora Reynolds and James Mason as the cursed Hendrick van der Zee.
I love that movie!
The 1951 film Pandora and the Flying Dutchman, starring Ava Gardner and James Mason, is worth mentioning here. An interesting take on the legend.
Also Stan Lee and John Buscema made good use of the Dutchman as a foe of the Silver Surfer in Marvel's late 60s/early 70s comic series.
One of my favorite movies!
As a Flemish person, knowing the discussions about different accents between Flanders and the Netherlands… We win guys, Simon pronounced the name of our ship more correctly than De Vliegende Hollander 🇧🇪🇳🇱😂
That glitch intro with Simon being slammed onto the chair made me giggle for longer than necessary 😂😂
You’re welcome.
I keep thinking of the all you can eat seafood restaurant, "The Frying Dutchman" in the Simpsons that Homer nearly bankrupted
The Panama Canal is in Panama, Central America. The Suez Canal is in Egypt, and is probably what Simon’s thinking of.
Modern English translation of Sir George Barrenton's report of possible paranormal maritime event: "Last night 2 security guards saw, or thought they saw a boat heading right into us going fast. One of them said it looked like his friend's boat that tragically sank during the last superstorm. But since there was a lot of fog and they were drunk, the men made a pact to keep it quiet until they had grandkids to raise and/ or babysit"
This show is the best of Simon's 759 other projects! That's not an easy pole to vault!
I loved your pronunciation of "de vliegende hollander" it was totally wrong but I love it
Some info on the In N Out Burger Flying Dutchman- Guy Snyder, son of In N Out founders Harry and Ester Snyder, was really into drag racing. His hot rod was named The Flying Dutchman. He often liked to eat just two cheese patties stacked on top of one another at In N Out. Eventually those two cheese patties stacked on one another became named the Flying Dutchman after his hot rot. I doubt he thought that his concoction would ever become as popular as it is today.
I drive through a large open flat area on my way to work every day (on land, not near the ocean) and I see fata morgana mirages all the time. They allow me to see buildings, small hills, etc. that are over the horizon, or they make things that I can see look larger than they actually are, or they look weird because the image is mirrored vertically. Super weird - very cool. I see these frequently, not every day, but frequently and in the same general location. If I see one in front of me as I drive then I can watch it resolve from a weird mirage into the the actual object as I approach it at highway speed. I would expect career sailors who have spent years or decades at sea to have seen such things often enough to recognize them for what they were and not some kind of spiritual apparition or magic illusion. If an old salt is telling stories about the flying Dutchman being a floating ship on the horizon then I think it most likely that they're just having a laugh at the expense of some greenhorn.
yeah you see them often during warm weather on a long road, the asphalt seems to turn into a mirror and you're able to "see" things in the road surface.
I have always thought that the flying Dutchman should have taken place in Drake's Passage
Dutch here. 'Vliegende' and 'vergulde' sound nothing alike, they're entirely different sounds.
My guess about the Flying Dutchman's name was never that the ship was actually airborne, but instead that it could move really quickly. It was "flying" in that sense. It was named before one could literally fly somewhere in an airplane after all.
I don't work at In n Out but as a california native I feel confident in saying that it's because it's served in the little fry "boat" because it's bunless. I just get my double double protien style, with chopped grilled, and whole grilled onions.
I had a few cousins and uncles that worked at the original in Baldwin Park and I doubt they told them why it was called that, it's not an official menu item anyhow.
You're remembering the Botany Bay from Star Trek "The Wrath of Kahn"
A good fifty years ago I heard an ostensibly famous poem about the Flying Dutchman in school, I think, probably around Halloween. We had all the lights off as we listened and I remember a warning to avoid becoming part of "Van Der Vecken's crew." I don't remember much more, though we had pictures (looked like woodcuts) of "ghost ships," and the whole atmosphere was very creepy (and a lot of fun).
That experience made the legend of the Flying Dutchman as real to me as anything else like the lost Franklin voyage to find the Northwest Passage or the Scott, Admunsen race to the South Pole.
1:04 dutch guy here, don’t worry your pronunciation wasn’t all that bad
Botany Bay is in Star Trek.
My belief is that this goes back to Bernard Fokke, a Dutch sea captain who made a record passage in 1678 of 3 months, 4 days from Holland to Batavia in the East Indies. Dutch captains were notorious in that era for driving their crews hard to make a profit, and Fokke was the fastest, hardest driving captain of his era. That passage was so fast at the time that some people claimed he must have had supernatural aid to do it, so the legend of the hard-driving captain in league with the devil was born.
These legends passed into sailing lore, and likely got told and retold hundreds of times, a few details changing from time to time. They emerged in the 1790s in British communications, poems, and other fictional works. The story was recycled over and over in the next 30 years and became an English play in 1826. Richard Wagner adopted and re-wrote the play as an opera in 1843, and we've been telling stories about Dutch ghost ships ever since.
By the way, Fokke's ship was named Snoeper, which means "Sweet Tooth" or glutton. It was a galjoot, or galliot in English, which is a smaller ship of not more than 400 tons, with rounded ends like a fluyt. The entire crew was only 11 men, so a very fast voyage with a small ship.
33:46 I honestly assumed at the earlier mention that 'Flying Dutchman' was a variety of weed, and I'm gonna stand by that - it probably is.
Holland Michigan High School mascot is the Flying Dutchman
The most shocking part of this episode is learning that people think it’s real
People think everything is real
To the editor: I like all the pop culture memes in the video.. please incude in coming videos too.. makes it more entertaining..😂
The bottom of South America is Cape Horn/the Drake Passage
Edit, also the Cape of Good Hope is just outside Cape Town
8:39 I had my phone locked and in my pocket, but I whipped it out so fast for this. Finally some random knowledge of mine is useful! "Forecastle" in reference to the part of a ship is not pronounced as it is spelled. It is pronounced like "foke-sull", first bit rhymes with coke, so Simon should have no issue remembering that, and the second half would rhyme with full.
Suez Canal Simon... Not Panama Canal. The Dutch VOC established a colony in South Africa for this particular reason, it was about a half-way point between The Netherlands and the center of their spice trades (SE Asia)