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AN ANALYSIS OF KILIAN JORNET'S TRAINING BLOG AND COROS DATA | Coach Sage Canaday Running TTT. EP. 49
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I hope you are feeling better Sage and your doctor's visit was a positive one. Thanks for the video
thanks! I'm actually still waiting to get in to see a pulmonologist specialist (appointments are backed up for weeks/months..but I do have one scheduled in October). I gotta admit health care in the US is pretty frustrating with the high costs (granted I'm on a "catastrophic" health insurance plan still since I'm self employed and have to buy my own insurance). Time was/is so critical though...as when I had my pulmonary embolism last year as if I had just gotten quality care a few weeks earlier maybe it would've really helped my lungs/condition.
@@Vo2maxProductions Healthcare is frustrating here indeed. A lot of paperwork involved. I hope you soon know what the cause of the pain is and feel much better. Best wishes.
Damm Sage that's tough, I resently suffered High Altitude Pulmonary Edima, though your thing is more severe.
Great video! I love hearing folks talk about Killian and I’m enjoying him being open about his training. So much is still be to learned about ultra training and more pro athletes and coaches being open really helps us all learn! Super cool
I always judge my intensity based on the nose breathing. Got taught early to have 4 steps breathing in through nose, 4 steps breathing out through nose. This is easy to do up to end of Z2 for me.
To clarify, these zones are set according to lactate threshold as opposed to max HR correct?
Because obviously that makes a significant difference in the bandwidth for zone 1 , actually putting it midway in zone 2 if the zones were set from max HR
excellent concept for a video. would be keen to see more of these pro analysis vids
I would love to see you (again) , Kilian Jornet and Jim Walmsley at Comrades some day. It's been moved back to June from next year.
Thanks for this Sage, it gives me inspiration to see your interpretation of Kilian’s data after my UTMB OCC DNF this year (we spoke briefly in Chamonix High Street). I plan to return with a more balanced multi sport mountain approach as you mention with Kilian, which I feel is especially relevant now I’m in my late 50’s. Thanks again, love what you and Sandi do! Good luck with your comeback this year! 🏔😀
great to meet you in Chamonix! Thanks!
Thanks for the great video!
Nicely done! It’s always great to see another ripple of what i chose to call, “Wholistic Fitness” in ‘81 influencing todays social media. Killian doubtlessly is the GOAT given his mastery of kinesthetic and physiologic breadth. 🙏🏾
great insights and overview Sage!! I'd like to see more videos like this! Maybe one on Anton?!? that would be sweet!
I'm a firm believer in nose breathing and deep breathing. I also have some nasal issues (broke my nose 3 times in sports), but I find once I'm up to temperature my nasal passages will start to open up. Sage, I hope that your lungs will continue to heal and that you can adjust after such an injury. Some interest research from Stephen Seiler does show that the optimum warp up time is ~30 mins for optimum performance (recent video).
running and backcountry skiing crossover well. if you are a runner and live in the mountains you will do well ski touring 100%
That was great! Thanks.
I'm extremely interested in the amount of zone 1 work he was doing. Apparently doing nearly 50% was in zone 1 and less zone 2. With so much zone 1 training it seems to allow him to push massive hours as well as get in higher quality tempo sessions. I'm thinking of maybe adding in some really light cycling on top of my running training (10-12 hours per week) to be able to have more stimulus and help with my body composition before my race in three months. I'm talking maybe 2 hours of cycling throughout the week.
Sounds like a good idea as long as you're consistent and stay healthy. Defo see some good results
As a marathoner/ultramarathoner/physician for 48 years now, with multiple years of 5500 miles per year, I believe most distance runners are overtrained and over raced. I think the reason so many records occurred after COVID was that their racing was decreased. I can site case after case where this occurred. Personally, I pr'd in every distance up to the marathon doing 1/3 of my 100 miles per week in med school!
most people bang on about milage all the time. the more the better is the common theme
Perhaps that's due to having developed such a great base that when you come back down, you're essentially doing a taper that would lead to optimal conditions for PRs
@@tombarr2536 I learned my lesson at the 1985 Chicago Narathon. Steve Jones won the race, missing the world record by 8 tenths of a second...he was doing 60 miles of mostly high intensity training. DeCastella and Seko from Japan were doing 150 miles per week. He destroyed them, hitting half way in 1:01:30 running all by himself since mile 3. He went on to run 10 marathons in the 2:07 range. If he had the super shoes, I believe he would have the world record today!
@@drdavidlieb1 it's certainly an interesting point I will take on board and something I will seriously consider in my future training. Thanks for the insight 👍 very helpful 👍
Training Topic Request:
Can you do a running form video for uphill and downhill running? What do we need to focus on with perfecting our form on inclines or declines to improve or efficiency? Also, what would be the ideal strategy for tackling a hill in a road marathon or half marathon, increasing effort and heart rate and recovering on the following downhill, or keeping a consistent effort/heart rate up the hill?
Thanks,
Brandon
Great! More of these kinds of videos please
Interested by Sage's reaction to nasal breathing. I only heard about this recently but thought i was the only one missing it as it seems to be everywhere and not actually new (perhaps because of Kilian). I have tried it in zone 2 runs for a few weeks and it is clearing my nose and passages which are normally blocked and stuffy.
Training talk.... why don't running watch makers organise quasi scientific studies? Given the actually sports science studies are pathetically small sample sizes it would be interesting to see if we could learn more from their giant sample sizes. Sponsored athletes get it done for us please!
Super interesting Sage, I do hope you get yourself back to your best. I agree with you that as a amature trail runner, it is hard to relate to Kilian's data. But it is inspirational.
Enjoyed the video~ Wishing you and Sandy well with your future endeavors and chosen challenges. We had some fires in these parts but that makes us appreciate the true beauty of nature all the much m0re.
Happy to see you are in good spirits hope your recovery journey stays strong! Courtney Dauwalter the impossibly raddest runner did cross country skiing like Kilian which makes me believe this is a secret ingredient in their super power.
Interesting talk, thanks Sage. Excited for you for the new product launch!
well done again. personal experience PSA: Like a lot of others i've struggled with training enough in zone 1. Sitting with first calf strain. Simply postulating that adopting nose breathing so pleasantly kept me in zone 1 that i perhaps too quickly ramped up time on feet.
Thank you for this great summary!
Lots of people scoff at zone 1 & 2 training, but I anticipate that now that Killian says he does it more people will do it 😂
This was awesome 👏
Great video and analysis!
On nose breathing and sleep, it can help with deeper REM sleep to have your mouth closed as well.
When i start having problems with nose breathing that means i am getting to high 175bpm heart rate which i cant hold more than maybe 15-20 minutes before spiking to 185 and getting real tired
Killian at zone 1 is me at zone 12
Real analysis starts at 9:30
Kilian acutally started out with Skimo and only did some running in the summer. Only later he than switched his focus to mountain running.
@vo2maxproductions I’m a pediatric pulmonologist. I’d be happy to talk with you before your appointment with the specialist if it might be helpful. Thanks as always for posting great content
Training Talk Question - you have already taken one of my questions so feel free to skip this. What I don't understand is I was in a 50K ultra last weekend and my watch/data/software said I burned on average 700 calories per hour. When I look on Google the average human can only absorb 300 (or so) per hour. I could tell by the end I was running a deficit but how do you overcome this for 50 mile and 100 mile races? How do you and the Killian's of the world do it? Do you slow down how many calories you need per hour or have you trained your bodies to absorb more per hour? I'm missing something. Thanks Sage.
ideally everyone is also burning some body fat (however lean they are!) and using that as energy as well. But generally you're running a deficit during the race (and the watch is just guessing an estimate of caloric burn). Yes the body is limited on absorption (especially with carbs), so if you push that limit too much you'll get stomach distress. However if you totally burn through your glycogen stores and then don't eat enough you'll go hypoglycemic as your body fat stores can't be burned fast enough to power you as fast either (unless you slow down and lower your pace/intensity). But it is always a blend of burning some body fat as a fuel source too (and probably losing weight during the race!).
@@Vo2maxProductions Very much appreciated Sage!! Love the response and it gives me plenty of insights and ideas:) Take care bud!
Sage you should look at training programs from oxygen Advantage. Loads you can do to improve your breathing!
My hearth rate goes down when I go uphill. Don't knoe if that normal, but it does that even if I push my limit a lot.
Hi Sage, I have a question. What is the optimal HR intensity for racing, say a half marathon? I imagine it's under lactate threshold for the first half, then dipping in and out of it in the second. What is the theory around this? Cheers
What are your thoughts on the fact that he was born at high altitude? (Correct me if I'm wrong there)
It seems to have an edge against other competitive runners is to live or spend a vast amount of time at high altitude so you have maximum oxygen efficiency.
Any thoughts about 40yo Lithuanian? How he could digest +10000 calories in 24hrs at 7:15/mile pace? It was shocking to realized he had done 319,614km on the flat.
This maybe a silly question but I hope you will address. I'm 52 yo and have done Ironman's and endurance sports for 10 yrs. My Garmin watch says my Vo2 max is 46-48 depending on the month. I have bee doing a lot of zone 1/2 of late and my watch says I have to much low aerobic training and not enough high aerobic time so my Vo2 max is going down. Does this make sense and should I continue my zone 1/2 work? Thanks
6 hours is perfect for me
I heard an interesting interview with Stephen Seiler touching upon nose breathing in the context of ways to keep your intensity below VT1. Turns out he studied this and that nose breathing is very trainable. The tested athletes could get above VT1 while nose breathing after a few weeks… Seiler expressed interest in whether the the breathing rate (say 4 steps in, 4 steps out) could do the trick of keeping the intensity low enough (below VT1), but didn’t have results on this at the time of the interview. What I use now is 4 steps in through the nose and 4 steps out through the mouth (I keep getting a runny nose from breathing out through the nose) and it seems a good way to gauge an intensity below VT1 for me!
That's interesting. Could you say what the interview is called please?
@@aledge6317 if I remember correctly it was on the Extra Milest show!
@@swenderich thank you!
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about his non-mountain running efforts. I think he raced a European championship 10k a couple years ago. And then there was his 24 hour track attempt that didn’t go so well.
I talked about his sub 30-min 10km road/PR effort
30 minutes warmup for better blood flow.
Wait, people don’t breathe through their nose when they run?
Can you please critique Aleksandr Sorokin training, his volume posted on Strava is huge and his pacing for this volume is quite competitive.
Yeah only getting that volume at that pace from heavy drug usage. Being overweight to breaking multiple world record that have stranded for so long, after training for what 5yearsish? Plus the fact that hes been breaking the records for largely different distances within a few month time frame? Clearly something isn't adding up. Great athlete just don't be fooled he's juiced through the gills. Just like E.K and nearly all other Nike athletes
@@drewvandoozer7072 nice scientific claims with substantial evidence there buddy 👍
@@samtheman7860 lol? You need science for common sense? Sounds like you got your shots? Hope that turned out better for you than most.😊
@@samtheman7860 clearly you don't understand much about sport. Aleksandr has broken probably 5~ world records within a year timeframe, and has only been running for 5~ years. Zach bitter previously held one of said records, he'd been running for almost 20 years and running ultras for almost 10 perfecting the 100mile distance that he liked for quite some time, for this guy to come and randomly beat the record by 30 minutes? Then a few months later beat multiple of yiannis kouros records that have been around for 10years or more. That doesn't just happen.
@@drewvandoozer7072 It's going to be okay, Drew. You are loved.
I always wonder if some of what people tell you about how they got great at something is just a false flag. Kind of like the chef that won’t give you all the ingredients in a recipe.
Suunto hemorrhaging athletes left and right. That company is in serious trouble.
God bless you. You are not the only one that took the jab and are now suffer the consequences.. stay hopeful and rebuild slowly. Remember also running is only a part of life, your health is more important
we can't be 100% sure it's from the jab. It could have very well been real COVID that gave me a pulmonary embolism. Real COVID is much more likely to give one clots than the jab (although adverse side effects have certainly occurred...it would be pretty rare and unlucky on any occasion)
@@Vo2maxProductions God bless you.
You really should eat some meat and more animal foods maybe it will help with health problems. Also cut out seed oils