I agree. We both know spinners. We just have a few different views on how to achieve the same goal. In fact, they may actually be more similar than we think. I just put my birds up in competition to test my theories.
R,A, family’s of bird’s are stuffed with spinner’s they do not Fail to produce that it, i’ve been checking out your work you’re real good, R,A, was good also, he had certain understanding of the Birmingham roller, did you vist him?,
I feel frequency adds up to more activity. Collective rolling is totally different. But, if the birds are flat with no frequency or Collective performance, you have nothing at all. I do have birds that do perform collectively and others that go every now and then. I'm adding frequency to those.
@@klphoenixrollers3030 ok I was curious when you mentioned bringing in a couple birds. Frequency and collective breaking are separate from each other I agree, but if I wanted to fuse in collective breaking my ideal selection would be either a Mee, McKinney or Mason bird. JMHO.
I've thought about that, but how would I go about acquiring a bird/s from those lines that are of good quality and have the collective rolling traits that I need?
Once you breed for something it’s no longer artificial can not expect for it to be there when you don’t breed for it, if you get good spin from all colors, write a book, some time you get birds from someone who know what he’s doing, that it,
@@franchisefred4066 not sure you full understand what a family or strain is, it's not the base family it's the person(s) that developed the current birds. Pensom been dead around 50 years and there is absolutely no longer a pensom family alive today. As soon as someone selects and breeds their own pairs they are yours. The traits will vary from family to family based on selection
Not sure what you mean by big. Just pair him to a hen that will compliment him type and performance. Safety should be a key trait since you mentioned he was deep.
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So I use to train my birds a totally different way tried your method with 2 different steps. Im already seeing big changes. Thanks.
Thank you Mr. London for making my break very informative 👍🥰
I agree with you 👍🏾💯% it's not the color it's the bird
Speak truth shame the devil
Next time I’m in LA i will hit you up my brotha. Good points on the red color myth
I believe you and Smitty together can do a good job on the Birmingham roller, at the same time from the two worlds make one, and leave it open ?
I agree. We both know spinners. We just have a few different views on how to achieve the same goal. In fact, they may actually be more similar than we think. I just put my birds up in competition to test my theories.
Great video fam you right about that be safe have a great day
Can I get some tips on vaccinating squabs, my young are dying on me
R,A, family’s of bird’s are stuffed with spinner’s they do not Fail to produce that it, i’ve been checking out your work you’re real good, R,A, was good also, he had certain understanding of the Birmingham roller, did you vist him?,
Did you visit R,A, he’s no longer in bird’s, that would have been trip to Remember,
RA?
Depends on who R.A. is
Richard Apodaca from Apple Valley California
I actually judged his birds a couple of times. Wind pushed them out both times.
Have you ever produce rolldown from your best pair??
No.
Do you feel frequency gives you collective breaking or is it a different trait?
I feel frequency adds up to more activity. Collective rolling is totally different. But, if the birds are flat with no frequency or Collective performance, you have nothing at all. I do have birds that do perform collectively and others that go every now and then. I'm adding frequency to those.
@@klphoenixrollers3030 ok I was curious when you mentioned bringing in a couple birds. Frequency and collective breaking are separate from each other I agree, but if I wanted to fuse in collective breaking my ideal selection would be either a Mee, McKinney or Mason bird. JMHO.
I've thought about that, but how would I go about acquiring a bird/s from those lines that are of good quality and have the collective rolling traits that I need?
@@klphoenixrollers3030 I got you.
@@TonyH76 you got me?🤔
Where do I get the display cages from
Keipper Cooping
Once you breed for something it’s no longer artificial can not expect for it to be there when you don’t breed for it, if you get good spin from all colors, write a book, some time you get birds from someone who know what he’s doing, that it,
every color and trait is individualized for each family or strain. every trait is color blind
All or most birds go back to Pensom or english birds. It’s the person today that manages them not on what family
@@franchisefred4066 not sure you full understand what a family or strain is, it's not the base family it's the person(s) that developed the current birds. Pensom been dead around 50 years and there is absolutely no longer a pensom family alive today. As soon as someone selects and breeds their own pairs they are yours. The traits will vary from family to family based on selection
Dave did you visit R,A, that would have been great for both of you, he is still alive go Interview him
@@johnniereyes6821 RA?
Hello Keith I’m new to rollers and I have a big deep roller cock bird so to get some nice youngens do I put him with a smaller hen
Not sure what you mean by big. Just pair him to a hen that will compliment him type and performance. Safety should be a key trait since you mentioned he was deep.
Sometimes drastically changing a phenotypic traits can change the made him what he is.
Like he is a big pigeon