Hey, so thanks for this feedback, appreciate your input a lot! The whole kind of idea behind these videos is to replicate scenarios that would happen in lower elo due to the fact that the majority of the playerbase are stuck between iron to gold, now iron is a little bit too easy and so is bronze so we thought that gold was a good middle ground, not too high elo but also high enough to show issues that the majority of the playerbase will see and therefore allow them to replicate what we do in these videos
@@ViceFielder The thing is, even if the Fizz wasnt as big this game, myself and cait could of easily carried due to how far ahead we got, games will always seem somewhat auto win when smurfing
All about mental game my dude, making sure yours is solid and you can attack theirs through your gameplay, that along with basic fundamentals you'll get gold in no time I promise!
It can be nice if you’re in a hard winning lane, especially if you out range them, if you have an ADC that can carry hard though I’d say just stick with supportive build
@@lune9150 tbh mandate is a terrible item for the stats it gives, moonstone/liandry's are better options imo (or everfrost if you cqn't hit a skillshot)
Yeah I kinda griefed it I’ll be honest! Didn’t think it would kill me I just got a little greedy focusing on so many things other than gameplay alone can make the simple things seems complicated sometimes! 😅
@@CoachKybet no about the mythic item that heals. Tank runes are okay if you are vs a assassin or hard engage comp, but he isn't in this game. I mean in low elo you take battlesong or everfrost, depending on the enemy team composition.
@@xXDESTINYMBXx I think Seraphine is one of the few supports that heavily prefers moonstone over other support options. I also think that when you're playing a support that heavily relies on keeping people alive, guardian is just really good especially since you get access to 3 resolve runes, on top of being able to take cosmic secondary which is super important on immobile supports that are going to keep the entire team alive. Everfrost is definitely viable but its not something i'd recommend for someone in the elo range of who we usually target with these videos! Hope this clarifies, feel free to ask any more questions :)
@@CoachKybet I play in gold on euw and with seraphine I just often prefer to play her as a control mage with everfrost -> rylai's scepter. Especially vs highly mobile meele comps like udyr, riven, hecarim or if they have 3+ meele champs. If you take guardian as your rune, do you max w first? (since it has a huge CD)
@@xXDESTINYMBXx Everfrost can also be a good option but later into the game Jinx will outscale cait, so building moreso around keeping people alive, especially since Jinx just needs 1 reset to win the teamfight is really really good, it all depends on the game you're in, Rylais is also extremely expensive for a support to buy since you have a very limited gold amount. No, if you get extremely ahead but are the only lane ahead, better to go Q E W BUT if you're just snowballing this hard you don't need extra points into E, if we were the only ones ahead though I'd leave W on one point and replace the mid laner in regards to damage and play a mid lane seraphine style where you keep 1 point in W since it scales so well without points.
This is how to snowball off of a early match up. No. You got carried off of fizz, also this video is full of mistakes, for example as support you should be buying sweeper the second you finish that gold quest, and start entering lane through jungle, incase of skirmishes and to control vision. Talking about Veigar wasting abilities and missing them as you miss E and R, which btw what do you do if J4 ganks you, and you're spamming your E? Your only peel for the Jinx. This isn't a guide, it's a joke.
I came out of lane 2/1/5, a considerable lead. I got my sweeper as soon as I finished support quest. I don’t need to roam when bot is hard winning like this, I need to get to lane to keep up pressure with cait and rotate into other towers. I discussed how veigar would waste his abilities in this elo and how to punish them, which I did multiple times. Not going to hit every skill shot, it’s about knowing how to react when I land my skill shots they can be easily dodged since E is very telegraphed. Jinx also has her own peel which completely counters J4 because it grounds him and I was consistently tracking where he was based on his cleats the entire game. Not sure why you’re so upset with my guide but if you have any other questions feel free to let me know and I’ll be more than happy to answer :)
@@CoachKybet Because your guide sucks. And this explanation sucks, because a lot of it is still wrong. And some of it just flat out lying, but you do you.
@@CoachKybet Okay, let's start with Exhausting an early game veigar who has his spells on CD. Veigar wasting his cage isn't something you should rely on, until you have seen it. 7:30 We can go all in. You did a great job of tracking J4 there buddy. Something you could have actually tracked if at ANY point this game, you used deep vision. This play is saved, entirely because Irelia TPs in, which again isn't something you CAN account for consistently. 10:05 You're just AFK, go deep ward, do anything. This is insanely bad macro it's unbeleivably cringe. 11 Minutes, you are not checking J4 CS, he hasn't shown on map, and you only live here because TF wastes his R to get back to lane. Again just saying it's okay for ME to make mistakes and bad plays, because for some reason you're 100% certain he would ult to lane. 15:58 Again, exhausting a no damage threat, who's already dead. 20 Minutes into the game and your vision score is half the junglers, and only 3 higher than the top laners. But again, perfect vision control. 19:43. Someone REALLY needs to teach you, how to use exhaust... But yeah, against a 0/11 TF you did nothing to influence the match up of, and a veigar support it's a really solid guide.
See, what you're doing is just pressure, but it's pressure applied REALLY Badly, which you could easily prevent... But this isn't a guide on pressure, it's just support seraphine, with nothing that helps someone learning support OR seraphine. But I understand that if you made guides with actual advice people wouldn't need your guides, so it is in your best interest to convince people they're getting good information by watching you, while also not giving them any actually useful information.
@@misspoppyseed3909 If you win a sharpshooting contest with an auto-aiming minigun then there's not much merit to the victory, not much of an achievement. Seraphine in this metaphor is the minigun.
@@misspoppyseed3909 Of course not. I was referring to personal accomplishment related to how easy and effective Seraphine is; it doesn't even have anything to do with her being good in the meta. She's simply not a rewarding champion to play in terms of personal accomplishment, because playing her and being useful is not remotely challenging. Additionally, she's an aids design and character that very few people actually like, so there's no "cool factor" reason to play her. If you play something like her then either you're too awful to play anything else, or you don't care about ANYTHING but winning.
@@GigaLigma saying that a champion isn’t mechanically challenging because you don’t find them hard is talking for the majority; which you aren’t. As for how you, again, used yourself as the majority when discussing who likes her design, I can say with certainty that there are a fair number of people who enjoy her design and play style. Also for the record, don’t use AIDS to describe something that you don’t like, it promotes stereotypes. Then there’s the issue of playing Seraphine because you don’t like anything but winning. There are multitudes of reasons to play her other than “cool factor” or winning; you for example, like me, enjoy the play style and design while also enjoying others.
I would like some high elo gameplay too. Smurf running over low elo isn't too beneficial
Or at least games where not everything is going well. So many of these videos feel like those auto win games.
@@ViceFielder ikr oh we just killed bot lane. oh we killed top . oh we just win
Hey, so thanks for this feedback, appreciate your input a lot! The whole kind of idea behind these videos is to replicate scenarios that would happen in lower elo due to the fact that the majority of the playerbase are stuck between iron to gold, now iron is a little bit too easy and so is bronze so we thought that gold was a good middle ground, not too high elo but also high enough to show issues that the majority of the playerbase will see and therefore allow them to replicate what we do in these videos
@@ViceFielder The thing is, even if the Fizz wasnt as big this game, myself and cait could of easily carried due to how far ahead we got, games will always seem somewhat auto win when smurfing
@@CoachKybet i mean mid game and late game was so easy and different because of grandmaster level early game. not sure i learn much from it
i need some tips on escaping silver as a jungler, this season i peaked S1 80pl and couldn’t achieve Gold IV
All about mental game my dude, making sure yours is solid and you can attack theirs through your gameplay, that along with basic fundamentals you'll get gold in no time I promise!
what do you think of everfrost seraphine? i use her with a more damage centered build with dark harvest so i can do some damage too
It can be nice if you’re in a hard winning lane, especially if you out range them, if you have an ADC that can carry hard though I’d say just stick with supportive build
I think that the mandate proc on the Q with Rylei is better imo
@@lune9150 tbh mandate is a terrible item for the stats it gives, moonstone/liandry's are better options imo (or everfrost if you cqn't hit a skillshot)
@@lune9150 you should never really look for mandate, rylais is also way too expensive for a support
@@flops1792 I agree but you should never take runes or items to make up for you being bad
could've used heal pot + cookies at 2.50
Yeah I kinda griefed it I’ll be honest! Didn’t think it would kill me I just got a little greedy focusing on so many things other than gameplay alone can make the simple things seems complicated sometimes! 😅
Can you make a Jinx/Kai'Sa Guide for Platinum/Diamond elo?
how about a guide without a trolly match up, no one matches against veigar supp
in low elo i see it very often
Veigar supp isnt the most popular but is definitely not a rare occurrence, plenty of people play it and I wouldn't say its troll at all
@@CoachKybet thats weird i haven't seen it in years
@@joakimeltocho5312 personal experience doesnt equal to what happens. He is picked and there's even a master player who picks him with tank items.
@@KuroiYumi personal experience of a regular player is a valid source of information
11:35 u could've flashed after ult
Shhhh pretend you didnt see it ;)
Great video :)
Thanks man I appreciate this!
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Who builds a heal item on hear lmao
And these runes, is this a hard cc matchup vs leona or something similar?!
Are you talking about Chemtech Putrifier? I also don't understand your question in regards to Rune, would you care to expand? :)
@@CoachKybet no about the mythic item that heals. Tank runes are okay if you are vs a assassin or hard engage comp, but he isn't in this game.
I mean in low elo you take battlesong or everfrost, depending on the enemy team composition.
@@xXDESTINYMBXx I think Seraphine is one of the few supports that heavily prefers moonstone over other support options. I also think that when you're playing a support that heavily relies on keeping people alive, guardian is just really good especially since you get access to 3 resolve runes, on top of being able to take cosmic secondary which is super important on immobile supports that are going to keep the entire team alive. Everfrost is definitely viable but its not something i'd recommend for someone in the elo range of who we usually target with these videos! Hope this clarifies, feel free to ask any more questions :)
@@CoachKybet I play in gold on euw and with seraphine I just often prefer to play her as a control mage with everfrost -> rylai's scepter. Especially vs highly mobile meele comps like udyr, riven, hecarim or if they have 3+ meele champs.
If you take guardian as your rune, do you max w first? (since it has a huge CD)
@@xXDESTINYMBXx Everfrost can also be a good option but later into the game Jinx will outscale cait, so building moreso around keeping people alive, especially since Jinx just needs 1 reset to win the teamfight is really really good, it all depends on the game you're in, Rylais is also extremely expensive for a support to buy since you have a very limited gold amount.
No, if you get extremely ahead but are the only lane ahead, better to go Q E W BUT if you're just snowballing this hard you don't need extra points into E, if we were the only ones ahead though I'd leave W on one point and replace the mid laner in regards to damage and play a mid lane seraphine style where you keep 1 point in W since it scales so well without points.
Please, less vids from Kybet, he has very poor support gameplay and strategy
Get that guy a proper mic. Also the ability to record in an acceptable resolution.
The resolution is good
I have a good mic and a good PC I don’t have any problems with this video not sure what you mean by this comment
I don’t play seraphine as support
it's bad, hurts my eye
This is how to snowball off of a early match up.
No. You got carried off of fizz, also this video is full of mistakes, for example as support you should be buying sweeper the second you finish that gold quest, and start entering lane through jungle, incase of skirmishes and to control vision.
Talking about Veigar wasting abilities and missing them as you miss E and R, which btw what do you do if J4 ganks you, and you're spamming your E? Your only peel for the Jinx.
This isn't a guide, it's a joke.
I came out of lane 2/1/5, a considerable lead. I got my sweeper as soon as I finished support quest. I don’t need to roam when bot is hard winning like this, I need to get to lane to keep up pressure with cait and rotate into other towers.
I discussed how veigar would waste his abilities in this elo and how to punish them, which I did multiple times. Not going to hit every skill shot, it’s about knowing how to react when I land my skill shots they can be easily dodged since E is very telegraphed. Jinx also has her own peel which completely counters J4 because it grounds him and I was consistently tracking where he was based on his cleats the entire game. Not sure why you’re so upset with my guide but if you have any other questions feel free to let me know and I’ll be more than happy to answer :)
@@CoachKybet Because your guide sucks. And this explanation sucks, because a lot of it is still wrong. And some of it just flat out lying, but you do you.
@@ThiccFish Please explain :)
@@CoachKybet Okay, let's start with Exhausting an early game veigar who has his spells on CD.
Veigar wasting his cage isn't something you should rely on, until you have seen it.
7:30 We can go all in. You did a great job of tracking J4 there buddy.
Something you could have actually tracked if at ANY point this game, you used deep vision.
This play is saved, entirely because Irelia TPs in, which again isn't something you CAN account for consistently.
10:05 You're just AFK, go deep ward, do anything. This is insanely bad macro it's unbeleivably cringe. 11 Minutes, you are not checking J4 CS, he hasn't shown on map, and you only live here because TF wastes his R to get back to lane. Again just saying it's okay for ME to make mistakes and bad plays, because for some reason you're 100% certain he would ult to lane.
15:58 Again, exhausting a no damage threat, who's already dead.
20 Minutes into the game and your vision score is half the junglers, and only 3 higher than the top laners. But again, perfect vision control.
19:43. Someone REALLY needs to teach you, how to use exhaust...
But yeah, against a 0/11 TF you did nothing to influence the match up of, and a veigar support it's a really solid guide.
See, what you're doing is just pressure, but it's pressure applied REALLY Badly, which you could easily prevent... But this isn't a guide on pressure, it's just support seraphine, with nothing that helps someone learning support OR seraphine. But I understand that if you made guides with actual advice people wouldn't need your guides, so it is in your best interest to convince people they're getting good information by watching you, while also not giving them any actually useful information.
Ez first comment
nah sorry not quite willing to stoop to this one no matter how freelo she is
What exactly are you “stooping to”? If a champion is good, why not pick them up?
@@misspoppyseed3909 If you win a sharpshooting contest with an auto-aiming minigun then there's not much merit to the victory, not much of an achievement. Seraphine in this metaphor is the minigun.
@@GigaLigma are you saying that playing a champion that’s good in the meta currently is the equivalent of cheating?
@@misspoppyseed3909 Of course not. I was referring to personal accomplishment related to how easy and effective Seraphine is; it doesn't even have anything to do with her being good in the meta. She's simply not a rewarding champion to play in terms of personal accomplishment, because playing her and being useful is not remotely challenging. Additionally, she's an aids design and character that very few people actually like, so there's no "cool factor" reason to play her. If you play something like her then either you're too awful to play anything else, or you don't care about ANYTHING but winning.
@@GigaLigma saying that a champion isn’t mechanically challenging because you don’t find them hard is talking for the majority; which you aren’t. As for how you, again, used yourself as the majority when discussing who likes her design, I can say with certainty that there are a fair number of people who enjoy her design and play style.
Also for the record, don’t use AIDS to describe something that you don’t like, it promotes stereotypes.
Then there’s the issue of playing Seraphine because you don’t like anything but winning. There are multitudes of reasons to play her other than “cool factor” or winning; you for example, like me, enjoy the play style and design while also enjoying others.