Are the new criminal laws better or worse? | India's Top Lawyers | Sibal, AM Singhvi, Mukul Rohatgi
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- India's top lawyers and Senior Advocates of the Supreme Court of India - Kapil Sibal, Abhishek Manu Singhvi and Kapil Sibal discuss the new criminal laws introduced by the Narendra Modi government that are set to take effect from July 1. Are these laws a boon or a bane? Will they make the criminal jurisprudence faster or increase the burden on the existing system? Watch the discussion!
(This video is courtesy Senior Advocate Kapil Sibal's TH-cam channel 'Dil Se With Kapil Sibal')
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Why no punishment for police and judges ? For wrongful detainment.
Add lawyers into the list who protect criminals
And lawyers should be jailed for asking adjournments for flimsy reason
Why no Punishment for Defence Lawyers who actually misrepresent the case by creating iffy legal hurdles ------ The Delhi ka KanjarWal case is a classic Example !!!
@@meenakshiprasad3945.... Absolutely !!! 👍👍👍
Even after the criminal conspiracy by the police is proved.
The common citizens of the country is losing faith in system of justice in the country. Because they fail to understand the technicalities of jurisprudence etc.
so wonderful information Sirs
Common man is afraid of courts, and is told to avoid courts if possible.
Even if you are someone who has been wronged , it takes years for the final verdict on it 😢
Cases run for 30 to 40 years no judgement only dates and fees for lawyers your discussion is not for common man but for accused. Liberty for the accused is the priority not the victim. The more comfortable a criminal is with law the more liberal the country. Who is comfortable with courts the criminal or victim just find out .
100% true.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Our innocent people is in jail. Crime has not proved yet
What should we do?
These people discussing are for rich criminals
There should be Time Limit for Law enforcers to prove the Crime
@meoo koi ui hai 😅 😅 😅 😁 ji huenakshiprasad3945
@@rajindersinghsaroha1965mom mi 6ï hu
Your discussion was very interesting. You are all senior learned lawyers. Your opinions are spot on. Instead of discussing, what can you do to change the laws as per your discussion. We are laymen. We cannot do anything for a change. You can. Will you?
Dr Singhvi is right on dot saying ' Need. for Arrest' should be apply first and foremost over ' Power of Arrest ' : vendetta, curruption , extortion , cannot be ruled out in such a situation ...
If need to arrest is paramount then bail should not be a right.
Excellent informative discussion !
Thanks
Top conversation about lawful course of action.Any revison of laws should be better and not worst than colonial laws.only change of English words to Hindi words is not improvement.Before any law is to be introduced,it must be discussed with Supreme Court Bar council and the team of Supreme Court Judges before tabling in parliament to pass.Unfortunately,you are discussing after it is passed in parliament and Supreme Court donot interfere and it is implemented. The jails are filled with accused without even trial for many years.Can you help these prisioners to get bail sothat only convicted persons to be kept in prison. Please do some thing for the poor prisoners who have no money to apply for bail and lawyer support.
It is really an honor to see three brilliant judicial minds discussing most important topics. Very informative lectures for every Lawyer. Thank You Kapil Sibal Ji, Thank You Mukul Rohtagi Ji, Thank You Abhishek Manu Singhvi Ji.
Thanks all of you for this discussion.
But A head of police and investigation deptt with law background should 've been joined in this panel so that police facing problem in nabing culprits can counter the allegation of this panel for police atrocity in arrest measures
Good idea 💡👍! Kapil Sibal Sir must bring police too on board. It will be revolutionary.
I don't understand who decided india top lawyers ? Or costly lawyers ? There are I think many honest legal top lawyers, but unfortunately not propelled them to spot light !!
When new laws are made Supreme Court must study it and the common Man's freedom is cut then the law should be canceled.
Now a days seeing that any person can be booked in PMLA case and dragging to jail even without any proof of guilty. Before dragging into jail even nothing is told about the persons guilty, this must be stopped. First give proof of guilty by the Police, ED, CBI, IT any Department to the persons alleged guilty, then take further action. The Court must punish the person/agency who is dragging people into custody without giving any proof and proving the allegations is only by who is dragging the people I.e. person/agency, the I think more than 70 to 75 percent case will come down. The responsibility of proving the allegations is only on the person/agency and not by the dragging innocent people.
Look forward to a smooth Laws and the working of our agencies the Law makers and Courts for the vast interest of people of India and peaceful life.
The new criminal laws coming into force w.e.f. 1/7/24 is that punishment will start immediately from the date of arrest of the person without proving it that arrested person is guilty or not then what is the role of the Court. If ultimately it is proved that person is not guilty then question is what about the person who has been kept in the jail for considerable period who is innocent? Secondly what is the situation when accused is kept in jail till the trial is concluded and if trial is concluded after 10 year that means accused has to stay in jail for such long period of Ten years?
True the accused is most precious person and he should be protected. Who cares for the victim no money no power and no time to give to the court for 30 years.
What you gentlemen are debating and discussing is absolutely justified but the big problem and stumbling block is that the Supreme Court seems like lacking the strong will to review the new laws before its being implemented. People have been observing that Supreme Court is losing it competency and credibility. People are losing faith in law and the judiciary. As the highest Court in the country the Supreme court should start keeping its house in order and keep a close eye on the lower courts. High time Supreme Court start wining people's faith and confidence by discharging its real responsibility and accountability for which it was sworn for. Maybe go a few extra mile.
I agree with you... The entire system is in complete Chaos.... But what also would come up is the division of power. Yes, judicial review is fundamental but it can be excercised only after such a law which is unconstitutional is passed in the legislature. And such laws are scrutinized by the executive according to their favour and passed in legislature with utmost ease. The interpretation of such law, it's action by the time a court comes up with a radical solution would be ultimately too late and would've done the damage. I think there should be real scrutiny from the people so that the system has a scope to improve...
Salute you Adv.Kapil Sibel sir, for taking initiative to educate people about their constitutional rights 🫡
Cases run for 30 to 40 years no judgement only dates and fees for lawyers your discussion is not for common man but for accused. Liberty for the accused is the priority not the victim. The more comfortable a criminal is with law the more liberal the country. Who is comfortable with courts the criminal or victim just find out .
I mom is fighting a case for 10 years and Judiciary has done nothing.
Atleast Something is going to change
@@ChandranPrema123 I have a case running into 21 year
Which rights
Thank you so much Sir Kapil for bringing so important issues in your program/Regards from Stockholm
Isn't it too late to discuss it. Such discussions should have started before these laws were scheduled to be brought in the Parliament.
Those Colonial laws gave the citizens a lot of protection in the form of Criminal Procedure. All these protections are gone now.
Modi did not bring this law in public for discussion.
They directly passed it and that too without discussion
At this age , Kapil Sibal Sir has put together Dil Se. It's not a joke to organise such discussions. Most importantly, no one will be bold enough to take such steps. Everyone including CJI only selfishly thinks of saving his skin and enjoying holidays rather than serving the nation 🇮🇳. We should be happy that such senior persons have decided to take a step towards healthy debates to speak up. Thank you Sir and hope the citizens at the right time will stand together in solidarity with you for reforms this nation 🇮🇳 requires. May God help you to achieve the great rehauling that you speak of is necessary in the entire system of this nation 🇮🇳.
@sudhanshumishra550
There was good discussion in Parliament and by Expert bodies .
Check Parliament record available on net .
Gentlemen, as a citizen of India I thank- you for a most enlightening n educating discussion. Are those who have framed the new laws listening?
Yes, this attempt to discuss is a "tip of the iceberg"! We wish you will do more such discussions!!
Where is the remedy for a wrong imprisonment? What is the punishment for an illegal arrest?
Opposition and people of India must demand severe punishment and exorbitant fine for wrong cases and illegal arrest. I think USA has such law in place.
@@vandanatelagi5772 will never happen here
Fantastic discussion. Touched a range of issues, what could be improved and how, where the problem originates, why has it become systematic. Educating and may I add empowering, because knowledge is power. Right argument starts with right knowledge and right thought process and width/range of thoughts add robustness & clarity to the argument. The panel and the moderator, both did an outstanding job! Thank you so much for this enlightenment..
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
What a great discussion. Very good question has been raised by Kapil Sibbal to these great expert of law.
Very unfortunate it is for our country we people of India , our elected leaders are not giving respect and importance to the advice of such great scholar of laws.
आमूलचूल बदलाव और जनता और समाज देश काल के अनुसार ही कानून बनाने चाहिए और जनता को सबकुछ सरल भाषा में मालूम होना चाहिए। तभी सही मायने में जनतंत्र होगा जनता का राज होगा।
This discussion on law by famous jurists is very relevant and important.
But I want to say here that ordinary people have been harmed by electoral bond, like test failed medicine companies to pay the electroal bond. And the drugs of those companies had to be bought unknowingly at high prices, which caused widespread damage to the common people!
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION
Laws have to be strict so that the worst of the crimes may be stopped. If they become too liberal attuned with the articles of the constitution, one would not be afraid to commit the crime, and offender may go unpunished making use of the loopholes or bypass the appropriate punishment.
Grate initiative by Sibbal sir. Thank you. We want to keep listening to such discussions.
Very informative video, please enlighten us with more of such content 🙏
Strongly protest against the Hindization of names of IPC, CrPC and Evidence Act - demand the old names be restored by removing this Hindi nuisance.
BJP has been very innovative in coining new names for sure ...In Hindi !!!😅
Very useful & convincable issues by narrator, salutes & thanks
I was raised on a diet of watching these two esteemed lawyers on TVs and I have always been in awe of their exceptional eloquence and mastery of the English language...
Lawyers require good command of the language be it English or any other language and the ability to express well with great clarity complex thoughts with precision. It's a wedding 💍 of literature and math resulting in a deadly love combo of sensible reasoning that leave people in awe of their ability to win battles. 😂
So you're in awe of their fuckall fancy english?
Sir No need Language please
What an enlightening discussion!!!
Sir,
It is a excellent discussion provide ample knowledge, kindly continue such efforts, great service to society and common people in the environment of dictatorship now a days.
Excellent discussion- very thought provoking. These are the legal luminaries who need to be a part of those discussions that go into law making.
Even when Britain had no codified criminal laws, the British introduced these codes here. Basically they can be accepted with necessary changes.
Stop all criminal, UFC law
AS A LAY PERSON I FEEL THIS BHARATI ....SAMITA IS VERY DANGEROUS TO INCREASE INSECURITY , FEAR, LOSS OF INCOME, TAKING VENGENCE, MULTIPLYING PRISONS INSTEAD OF HOMES.....UNREST WILL SPREAD. I BEG SUPREME COURT HAST SCRAP THIS SAMITA...LEADING TO POLICE RAJ. VENGEANCE,
Senior lawyers each word is highly appreciated. But the present day government with dictatorship quality, everything will be in turmoil. However such discussion is taking place.
So let's hope for restoration of sanity. If we people provide support, Kapil Sibal Sir et al can achieve it for the nation 🇮🇳.
1 जुलाई को लागू नहीं करके नई ससद में क्रिमिनल कानून पर बहस की जानी चाहिए
Sir regards. We do listen to you. but what we can do.there are around 20 sr ,super sr advocates who can be taken for granted for common public causes.
Sir only less 100 can be believed that are ment for public of india.
It is very much realistic argument on civil society for current affairs.
Top conversation about lawful course of action.. Great pillars our supreme court advocacy.
Fabulous, excellent, informative. Thank you for this program. Obvioously not a boon, but a bane... When arbitrary arrests without the need.. are increased
Gravly affects the people's Constitutional rights.
Its not difficult to understand what is to be done as by the SC. If it's not happening what can be done to bring change specifically in relation to the priority of cases? Is there a way out of the present situations where the process of the prosecution itself becomes the punishment! Unfortunately often times nothing gets proven after remaining in custody!
Propounding the proponents is called the discussion !!! It these discussions are of a type that's Soothing Discussions !!!
Excellent discussion.
Interesting discussion by the three eminent stalwarts on the implications of the new criminal laws ..I would like to add that Under the old CrPC of 1973 the detention of the accused in police custody cannot exceed 15 days in a whole.. However under the new criminal law BNSS under section 187 (2) the custody of the accused with the police may extend to 40 to 60 making it difficult to for the accused to obtain bail which is unfortunate
Law Today & Adv. Kapil Sibal,
Excellent discussion by eminent lawyers.
Hope you also do another such interview of Constitutional Lawyers/experts/retd. Judges to point out the flaws (if any) in the three new criminal Laws - Bhartiya Nyay Sanhita, Bhartiya Nagrik Suraksha Sanhita & Bhartiya Sakshya Bill, which could prove detrimental to the common law abiding citizens or people who are critical of the Govt.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
Fantastic discussion Sir. The nitty gritty of Indian law , or any other law for that matter , is beyond the capacity of common men. Good that you explain it in simpler terms.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
We Thank You
God Be With You To Fight For Truth N Strengthen You more ,
Thank you so much for giving these amazing insights on different aspects of laws!!
Thank you sir. Your conversation gave us an idea that lots of people like you are thinking about the people of the INDIA. All of us who have humanity in themselves can change the system of injustice. Jay HIND. 🇮🇳
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
Wondering Arundathi Roy is guilty ? & CM of Delhi? 😢😂😢
Excited to hear some other conversation because it is necessary to clear dark shadows from each side of law
Depressing to learn how the apex body and the entire legal system in India has degenerated. We cannot be a leading nation in the world, with such a decayed legal system.
Kipal sir when an innocent person is kept under arrest wrongly.
Who compensates the person arrested wongly for definitions of charector and finincial losses incurred by arrest.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
There is no such provision I believe that is why we fear police uniform even we are right.
Valid questions raised.. intelligent discussion!!
Freedom under the Indian Constitution is more important than draconian powers and criminalising acts for the benefit of PM Modi. PM Modi needs to go to school and learn rather than rely on his fake degrees. There is no evidence against the opposition who have been imprisoned without any charges and for those criminals who have joined the BJP, the law enforcers cannot find evidence despite clear evidence.
There should heavy compensation for wrongly dentation,in false cases excessive use of force , torture during
police custody from police and government.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
You didn't touch upon the source & their needs to bring these changes in laws.
Who pass laws without consulting anyone !!! 😢
@@kfr7867all consulted just go through these process for the new laws
We have our own legislation not of Britain's as IPC,I e. Indian penal code, Indian evidence act,crpc 1974. So how the bjp has called Britishers law.
Our all above laws have been amended from time to time.
The only two reasons for making the new laws are 1/ making more stringent laws n procedures so that people may not speak against BJP government by making the police state 2/ modi may substitute ambedkar by calling him the first man who had legislated the Indian laws.Because overall no new law introduced except changing the number as 302:101 so on which will take hundred years to make an impact upon general public.
With all that humility at my command,I will venture to submit that judiciary specially the lower use to act an clerk of police when they seek remand whether PCR or judicial.it has ruined the system.
For your kind information the law of sk antil, given by sc after putting the longest time n energy,it's not being followed by lower courts (sessions court,) after some time.tiday is 19/6/24
Very valuablr interaction. Thanks to all🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
What an intellectual meeting of great persons of our India. Salute to all of you..Sirs .saviours of our nation .special thanks to sir sanghvi sahab for his attacking with truth in the court of law ..thank you 🙏
This was a great video and much needed. Pls help us common people more on such issues. Thank you Mr. Rohatgi, Dr.Singhvi and to your Mr.Sibal for bringing up such topics.
Excellent, eye opening discussion. How about discussion on abuse of preventive detention as happened in JK after abrogation of 370 or on criminal defamation laws..
This session is so insightful , the dept of discussion and valuable suggestions to solve the challenges and think from all perspectives be it constitutional, liberty , freedom , legislative etc ..is great to hear. Created an interest in me to understand more of law especially coming from other domain.
Thankful for all 3 eminent legal personalities for discussion.
Excellent discussion sir! I look forward for more discussion. However, I ask for examples so people who do not have law background, understand a lot of terminologies better. You can also use this to teach us the basic law that the people must be aware of. Thank you!
Each appeal costs money and time. The less than affluent are not able to sustain this.
Really enlightening discussion, sir.Looking forward to listening to more of your discussions. Thank you. Common man's freedom is at stake. Awareness and constitutional changes are essential.
Very good discussion.
Very useful discussion delivered about the law system thanks so much
Excellent discussion and enlightening the legal systems in our country. Great to listen to the experts in the legal field.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
What a wonderful discussion. For general public it is very useful. I wish our government and judiciary seriously pay attention in these matters and take some positive steps in order to minimise the day to day problems of the people of our country
Law Today & Adv. Kapil Sibal,
Excellent discussion by eminent lawyers.
Hope you also do another such interview of Constitutional Lawyers/experts/retd. Judges to point out the flaws (if any) in the three new criminal Laws - Bhartiya Nyay Sanhita, Bhartiya Nagrik Suraksha Sanhita & Bhartiya Sakshya Bill, which could prove detrimental to the common law abiding citizens or people who are critical of the Govt.
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Very very important debate to adress routine jail. Of innocent people
Admire Mr Sibal sir for discussing the concerns of the public 👏 ...thanks
What a wonderful discussion and analysis this is !!
We are always with neutral, bold and intellectual media.❤😂🎉.
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them. They dont open their mouth on it.
Very good programme Mr Sibbal. Very educative and informative, keep it up. Thanks
Good to see top lawyers of India discussing these issues.
The question remains how will these issues be addressed.
तीनों नए कानून एक जुलाई से लागू होना सौभाग्य की बात है :
केन्द्र सरकार द्वारा लाए गए हमारे देश के तीनों नए कानून विधेयक बहुत ही सराहनीय कदम है। इसे 01 जुलाई : 2024 से लागू करने की पहल का हम स्वागत करते हैं।
1) भारतीय न्याय संहिता (BNS) : 2023,
2) भारतीय नागरिक सुरक्षा संहिता (BNSS) : 2023
3) भारतीय साक्ष्य विधेयक (BSB) : 2023
ये सभी दंड प्रक्रिया संहिता : 1973 और भारतीय साक्ष्य अधिनियम : 1872 की जगह लेते हैं। इन अपराधों के लिए एक अलग सुधारात्मक आपराधिक प्रक्रिया प्रदान करते हैं। कुछ पुराने नियमों को हटाया गया है तो कुछ नए नियमों को जोड़ा गया है। विदेशी आक्रांताओं (अंग्रेजों) द्वारा बनाए गए अधिकांश नियमों को हटा दिया गया है। उस स्थान पर कुछ नए आवश्यक नियमों को लाया गया है। जो केन्द्र सरकार का एक सराहनीय कदम कहा जा सकता है।
हमें इन तीनों नए विधेयक जो 01 जुलाई, 2024 से लागू होने वाले हैं ; स्वागत करना चाहिए। इसके समुचित प्रयोग से न्यायालय और न्यायायिक प्रक्रिया में संतोषजनक उपलब्धि मिल सकती है। भ्रष्टाचार, देशद्रोह और आतंकवाद पर इन नए नियमों द्वारा अंकुश लगाया जा सकता है।
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डाॅ माया शंकर झा 'राष्ट्रभाषा-रत्न'
राष्ट्रीय अध्यक्ष
भारत भारती समाज
This discuss shall help the people about worse of the these three act.
BK16 enough said. This case is a text book example of tyranny of the rulers/govt.
SUPREME SILENCE AND SUPREME FAILURE 😮😮
Wonderful analysis of contemporary laws and archaic laws on bail by the three top lawyers of the country. Enlightening and thought provoking discussion which should be continued.Thanks for the discussion
Sir, CM Jharkhand got bail from Jharkhand High court only. High court didn't "pass the buck" at least for an ex-CM, this time as you people mentioned in your discussion. So, probably Delhi CM : Kejriwal will get the bail also. Now with development you can't grossly blame lower judiciary to supreme court for injustice happening with alledged offenders who occupy highest political chair, isn't it.
All are great senior lawyers, Mr.Kapil Sibbal, Abhisek Manu Singhvi & Mukul Rastogi. Sir, all of you are asset of legal knowledge & experience. So well presented the matter of regular bail, usage of section 120B(conspiracy), Bail provision in PMLA act etc. Very enriching & eye opening. Please do raise such matter again as Kapil Sibbal said it's just tip of ice berg & all kindly agreed. Supreme Court must take ownus & strike down bad legislation with strong observation .
Great initiative Sir. Best wishes for enlightening Indian citizens irrespective of their job or profession.
Thoroughly absorbing discussion. Very well anchored. Especially appreciated his intervention in asking Sr Adv Rohatgi to briefly explain a Sec.
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All you three are very dignified democratic and good models for the advocate community. Hence it's reflected in this discussion ❤
Excellent conversation .More such conversations are required to create awareness for people on such important matters connected with our genuine rights guaranteed to us by Constitution of India
One thing that makes my jaw drop and I think the justice system is not serious in this country is that we still don't have equal laws for all. It changes based on gender, religion and caste.
For example, if a woman accuses a man of anything randomly, then that man can be put behind bars and he has to prove whether he is innocent or not; that woman's proof is, that she says so.
Definitely the discussion was very interesting and Mr. Rastogi highlighted certain factual issues of the judiciary countering Mr. Singhvi's statements. There lies the truth 👍
Wonderful discussion.... Thank you all of you sir
Sibal sir you are doing a great service to the Nation 🙏
Dear great lawyers really you are the safeguard of our constitution as some wants to destroy it
Excellent Presentation 💐
The judicial continuous training, technology upgradation in courts at all levels, new digital formats for online case filing, crackdown on possible corruption at some levels, right mind set to solve the huge backlog of cases, the creation of right spirit on justiciability for abiding faith on judiciary, speedy case trial, etc.
Very important discussion which has to be started way before.. Thanks for bringing it up.
Knowledgeable and serious topic, Thanks Mr. Sibal sir.
Very nice discussion shows how much difficult is to get justice
I appreciate your discussion and views on prevailing judicial system. It could have been widespread knowledge sharing if entire conversation should have been released parelal in Hindi in the interest of a common man.
Why Kapil Sibbal and Abhishek Manu Singhvi are worried about new laws? Our Courts sit twice on the very same Saturday evening, open at midnight at their instance or give bail even when not saught for‼️ We common public can't afford them, hence our cries get burried in long waits for Justice, many a times for generations or as our President M'am described, behind bars for petty crimes just because there is no one to apply/give guarantee even for the tiny amount of the bail😢😢😢
Instead of such discussion, please tell us how our common man's children can get selected by the collegium and chair the process of Justice in this democracy - we please don't want dynasty ruling even judiciary at the cost of taxpayers - we are paying taxes for benefit of the nation as a whole, we are not paying jazia under which we won't have right to raise our voice against the use of our money just taken forcefully....... wondering why I am telling you all this when we don't have right to tell where and how our money paid in temples after paying all taxes should be used😡🤯
😂😂😂. 10 years nd paapa modi couldnt give u affordable justice.
Lolz
We need more people like you sir
Why senior lawyers who got opportunity as judge ,doesn't do any change to current judicial system ? These discussions, or whole judicial procedure should be in hindi or general language for common masses.
Dear delegates ...awesome discussion made by you people, these topics brings the vast amount of awareness about laws and Constitutions and liberty.
And more and more for the young talent lawyers could learn from the seniors thoughts .
I am sure that this kinds of healthy discussions and debate will make India in future a Great Nations .
We all following Mr.Kapil sir.
Thanka
Learn about Waqf Act and how its harms hindus before you give your bite to them.
This is how civilized humans have conversations with each other even if they do not agree with each other - we can actually listen and understand what the speakers are saying. Such a relief from screaming and hysterical televison anchors and panel discussion members.