Just saw this in theaters and it’s a much superior film. It feels so much more fleshed out and realistic. It feels like it falls in line with the other films a little more seamlessly. Always loved this one and considered it a guilty pleasure but now I feel like it’s a legitimately good film that extends beyond just being something I love because I grew up watching it. Five out of five stars.
Part 5 is the one that needs major surgery. But I think Stallone won't touch it, mainly because he wouldn't want to be ruthless with extracting footage of his real life son Sage (Rocky Jr) who tragically died.
@@consciousgentile5141 Well Rocky V was basically a film portraying Tyson and Don King, Tommy being a white Tyson who was being corrupted by that Don King character,...and the white money grabbing chic on Tommy's arm was pretty much the real life Givens.
The original movie is great, and its exactly what audiences wanted back in the '80s, including that cheesy but amazing ending. I think Stallone loves that cut, but he used his spare time during quarentine to basically adapt the movie to current times. I'm just glad we have two equally good "versions" of Rocky IV, the more Sly, the better!
I don’t see it as “cheesy” ( that word is one of my pet peeves) the original cut is a classic sequel with charm and comic book like feel with personality
Same here. I grew up watching all the Rocky movies on VHS and on cable but always wished I could’ve watched them in the theater. Being able to watch it in the theater was a surreal experience that I’ll never forget.
I was able to share the experience of seeing this in a theater with two of my kids last night. They were already rocky fans, but the movies had already been made before they were born so they never got to see them on the big screen like I did as a kid. What a great experience to be able to share with them.
Saw it in theaters last night and loved it. The audience reaction was overwhelmingly positive. I feel this new version, with the greater emphasis on Apollo will actually make the Creed films better upon rewatch. Especially 2.
For me, ROCKY 3 is the best. The RELATIONSHIPS that change and grow. The trust developed between ALL the characters drives the movie so much. And I swear EVERY TIME Adrian gives that pepe talk to Rocky on the beach is ABSOLUTE GOLD. It gets me ❤️ every time.
Honestly having seen this in theatres was magical. It was an experience. Idk if the cut itself was better than the original release as a whole but there were certainly parts that were better and welcome additions imo. Both fights in the film were SIGNIFICANTLY better as a whole. The pacing and editing was the biggest gripe I had. The dialogue goes unnaturally fast at times (they cut to the next line a little too quickly) and they spent way too much time recapping Rocky 3.
I have always had a guilty love for the original. But if we're talking canon, the director's cut is the better entry. Rocky, Apollo, Drago, even Ludmilla Drago...all their characters make more sense in future entries of the series with this version. I don't want to spoil it, but yeah, to say it humanizes characters is an understatement...it gives a film that was largely devoid of realism a Drago sized shot of it. Absolutely loved it. Fits big time in our current environment.
I have mixed feelings on this cut it’s still too short and feels rushed at times. Drago is more humanized which I’m also torn on because most of his intimidating presence is gone. But that sequence right before Drago vs rocky started was incredible he really captured that this is a global event kind of atmosphere. I’ve also watched the original about 100 times growing up so it was hard to adjust to the changes. But still really glad Stallone gave us this version.
Overall I loved what Stallone did. The scene between Rocky and Adrian before he leaves for Russia was really touching. The changes to Apollos fight were necessary. I loved that they made the scene with Rocky and Apollo in the dressing room a flashback. I wish Stallone had kept the original beginning, minus the robot. New beginning didn't transition well. Some of the editing seemed off. Some of the extra scenes, while I liked them, seemed like low quality takes that had to be used because they didn't have better ones. It does makes me wonder what kind of marvel Stallone could have created if he had gone this direction the first time around in 1985.
This could have been called Rocky first blood. Man on a mission of vengeance. No fluff. The fights were so much more real, the emotions were more raw too. I love that any political implications of the original were washed away to show that the focus really was on avenging his friend. SO glad he kept the music! This deserves a theatrical run!
@@davidwade7681 buuuut it’s more special if it’s one night only in cinemas. I’m already making plans to go see it in theaters now that I know when and where to see it where I live
My favorite part of this new version is that Drago actually HAS a character now, and isn't just an emotionless wall for the hero to overcome. And the best part of it is that he doesn't really get many new lines of dialog; it's mostly all in his facial expressions. Also, in the original version, Apollo says early on that despite his strength, his lack of experience makes him sloppy, but you never actually see that. In this new version, you actually do get a sense of that sloppy inexperience in the beginning of his fight with Apollo. All in all, Drago definitely came out the most ahead in this version.
Just saw this version in theaters and I can say that I prefer the theatrical version; it would've worked better had Sly just added some of the newer footage to the theatrical version
First things first, I am a HUGE fan of the Rocky franchise. That said... I just saw this and boy am I torn. From the poorly edited & choppy opening sequences to the now completely out of place There's No Easy Way Out music video, Rocky v Drago has taken my least favorite Rocky film and made it my least favorite Rocky film, but with a catch... some scenes that felt rushed or that weren't even in the 1985 version are longer and wonderful. The characters of Adrian & Ivan are better this time around. Where as the characters of Ivan's wife & Paulie have been severely short shifted. Apollo's fight with Ivan is completely changed. It is no longer a simple massacre, but a brutal poignant death of a beloved character. As for Rocky's fight with Ivan, I am not sure where I stand. It too is also different and perhaps maybe better. It's more of a savage brawl, but I would have to see it again to make my decision. For all the changes Stallone made to all that still remains, in the end, I was disappointed by this new version. Sly really had a chance to make the best version of Rocky 4, but he didn't. I was expecting even more Bill Conti music. I was expecting less music videos. And even though he tries to make Rocky 4 more like the other Rocky films instead of the odd duck it has always been, he only half succeeds because the film has basically the same runtime as the original, which means he took out as much as he put in. Sadly, there's still a good movie in here trying to get out. Only now, though, it will be up to a fan edit to produce it.
Just watched it in the theatre and truthfully didn’t care for it . Maybe it’s because I’ve seen the original a hundred times and it’s etched in my head or maybe it just wasn’t necessary to change . I did like a few of the added scenes and dialog and character development but feel it could have been added without removing so much of the original . Drago didn’t feel as terrifying in this version , the cutting of the throwing the towel scene was strange and the first 20 minutes was way too rushed and odd .
Saw it last night and loved it! I liked the new scenes with Adrian and the recut of the fights. My main gripes though was the annoyingly blue tint in certain scenes, the overly long car montage, and the lack of hearts on fire for the ending. Overall, it is a much more serious and emotionally paced film compared to the original.
Having seen the original 100 times, I've been waiting for this for a few months. Quick reaction: The original is superior overall. This version feels more rushed and smaller like an indie film. Sometimes I felt like I was watching a soap opera. Some of the edits don't flow naturally and the sound mix doesn't sound quite right. That being said, I definitely enjoyed the extra scenes. I just can't for the life of me understand why that meant certain lines had to go. Why trade it off? Why not just combine and make the best of the best version possible? Did Stallone have a formal restriction on time? SPOILERS below: - I loved Apollo telling Rocky before going into the last round "For my family, please don't stop this fight. No matter what." But they cut his final "No matter what" that was in the theatrical cut that added that much more emphasis. - I hate how they took out Apollo's final "NO" before he was hit with the final lethal blow from Drago. Like seriously why? - Adrian's extra scenes again add so more emotional depth to her role in the film. - During the Hearts on Fire montage going into the last verse Rocky originally tears Drago's picture off the mirror and crumbles it. For some reason, they scrapped that in exchange to see Rocky jump rope some more. I mean c'mon, that is the new footage just for the sake of it. - During Rocky's victory speech he mentions Apollo dying, and the camera points to Drago lowering his head seemingly in remorse. Great added scene. - The final fight definitely had some edits that seemed out of place. But I loved Drago's extra lines. But the final moment when Rocky daps up Drago as he exits the ring is a game-changer for me. I understand why it wasn't in the original but it adds more context and depth to their relationship. I wanna say if this is considered canon I feel it contradicts the way Rocky looks at Drago during Creed 2 a bit though.
They had to cut out Apollo's final "No" because Rocky was going to throw in the towel. There was no hesitation in what he was doing. I prefer Rocky being late throwing in the towel vs him letting his best friend die.
@@silverguard8105 Fair point but his old manager still said “Throw the towel” so there was an opportunity to leave at least one NO in there. It was a super fast ending when you compare it to the original. I also kind of think whether he was late vs “letting” his friend die are one in the same. He says “I let it happen” at the funeral and that would seem to imply that’s cause he didn’t throw in the towel at all. But throwing in the towel (late) in the original would still qualify as letting it happen in my view.
@@biguy617 Rocky V was more like a made for tv movie. Had a different feel. Though the street fight at the end was great. Tommy Morrison was a great addition to the cast.
Saw it in the theater. I enjoyed it, and I feel the same way as you. There are things that make each cut better than the other. It’s much more serious and that’s its greatest strength. I wish Stallone kept the original aspect ratio, though. Adding the bars for a movie that they weren’t made for makes the composition feel more cramped than they need to be.
I enjoyed it a lot, but I have one complaint. As strange and out of place the scenes with the robot are, I felt the beginning went by way too fast for me. I like the last two thirds worked better than the theatrical cut, and especially the ending. I’ve only seen the theatrical cut 3 times before as it wasn’t until recently that I actually owned it, but I wouldn’t say either is definitive. While I’d lean toward the directors’ cut, I feel like my ultimate version would e similar to the Selutron Superman 2 putting back in some of the stuff from the theatrical cuts first third. Other than that, I really have no complaints.
Was at my local theater to watch it. Got to the point where Rocky places the belt on Apollo's grave when the theater lost power. Very bummed. Will watch it on Amazon this weekend, but so was looking forward to watching it on the big screen tonight.
Whoever cut that trailer did a great job.. I saw it at the Theatre/Fathom and while it was a fun experience it was a bit underwhelming, the trailer definitely oversells it. It was cool though.. I had watched it this time of the year in 1985 at the same location in Eugene, Or. when it came out when I was 11.. and it was definitely a very memorable occasion. One of the few movies that really stuck in my memory for all these years.
I was born in 82. Rocky was my favorite franchise. Obviously as a little boy, III and IV were my favorite, but by the time I was a man it was the original Rocky that became my favorite. This cut is incredible. Rocky’s speech at Apollo’s funeral alone was worth the price of admission. I’ll never be able to watch the theatrical release again, Of course this bears in mind years of maturity and an understanding of the global politic I just didn’t have when I was 10. 😎 Great review!
Divided on checking this out. I'd love to see Stallone's revision ideas but at the same time, the original, warts and all, was a key part of my younger memories and remains one of my favorite guilty pleasures.
I disagreed with most of his edits lol. Yeah, you got rid of the robot but in doing so you halved Burt Young’s onscreen time. The extra scene with Apollo at Rocky’s house doesn’t make sense because in that scene Apollo is still considering whether or not to fight Drago but in the next scene which happens on the same day it sounds like the fight is already set. And the moment during Apollo’s fight where he yells at Rocky not to throw the towel has been cut, making it seem like Rocky never had a chance to throw the towel anyway.
Saw the original in theaters in '85 and have seen it countless times since. My son and I just got back from seeing the directors cut at a special screening. We really enjoyed all the changes that were made. I don't think I'll ever go back and watch the theatrical version again. This one feels like it fits in better with other films and gives the characters a lot more depth. It kept was was great about the original and added some nice touches.
Baaahhhhhhh Rocky IV was amazing. There's a reason it grossed 300 million during its initial release. It might not have, if this directors cut was the original cut, but it might have. Who knows.
Another soundtrack note: Go West gets denied a royalty check as "One Way Street" gets excised from the director's cut because it's in the first robot scene. Stallone was a fan of their debut album, which is how they got on the soundtrack.
I love both versions so so much. The new cut is so emotionally charged and definitely fits well in line with 1-3 even more now. Though IMO the build up to 4 works either way, because 3 is the cheesiest going up to it. Both versions are absolutely a blast to watch.
Everyone calling the original a "guilty pleasure". Its not, it was just good old fashioned cheesy 80's fun. Yes it's dated, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying it still just because the critics didn't.
My copy of the film is 94 minutes. With 7 minutes of Rocky 3 and over 5 minutes of credits the actual film is under 82 minutes. I like the extra scenes with Apollo, the first fight was better and the extra scenes at the funeral were good. However i was hoping for a film around the 2 hour mark but they cut too much out i understand cutting the robot out but they cut out a lot of Drago's wife's best lines and they even cut out Apollo's best line about retiring more men than social security. I feel Stallone could have kept more in and made this a really good 110-120 minute movie. Some of the editing is a bit choppy and lines don't match what is happening. Example in the first fight you hear a commentator say Creed has slipped but the footage does not show him slipping like it does in the original film. Showing Creed slipping was good because it does show he has ring rust and his footwork is not what it used to be.
Love both versions however after watching this director's cut last night I feel that this 2021 version was far much better and more serious. Sticking to this new version from now on when I watch the entire Rocky movie series again. I watched a *director's cut* of Rocky V online once and i thought THAT version was far much better than the theatrical cut released in 1990. Wish Stallone would also work on that as well, hey maybe I'm asking for too much but it's wishful thinking.🤷♂️🥊🙏😏😁
Biggest complaint is the sudden ko of drago with no countdown. He was just out. There was no build up. This has inspired me to make my own fan cut for my personal enjoyment.
saw it in the theatre tonight..the first 15 minutes they had a stallone interview audio commentary playing instead of the true audio file for the film, right after apollo gets out of the pool they switched it to the correct track..it was jarring and strange..and put me off for the first 30 minutes of the movie wondering what the heck was going on..that being said..i liked it..but the original cut is my Rocky4...also I really missed his son cheering him on from home during the final fight, and him telling him he loves him during the post fight interview..was the robot really all that bad? HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAULIE!
I love directors cuts and extended uncut movies. I saw the Gladiator extended and I was amazed how many great and important scenes were cut out in the theatrical. And Rocky IV is my favorite Rocky movie.
I saw this movie at least 3 times in the first 2 weeks it opened when I was, well younger. I Was debating about watching this, but now I'm totally going to. I had the Soundtrack and used to listen to it when I practiced for Hockey. But in my defense, I did grow up in a Regan family so the subtext was very simple to me at the time, but I still kind of really enjoy the movie..
I thought this version was great. As you said it's more serious, even the sound is better and more realistic, the boxing matches, the hitting of each other sounds better than the shotgun sounds we're use to in the original. I felt this film is more Apollo’s story than anything...you know. The original it's Rocky's story, you know what I mean? One of the most interesting alterations is choosing a different flashback to Rocky III. It opens this Rocky IV on a more somber note, and emphasizes the importance of Apollo. The first act is way more Apollo centric. It deepens Apollo’s motivation to fight Drago more than just his restlessness in retirement, although that’s still there....I felt again, Creed felt threatened by rocky still " on top" I haven't watched the original in a long time, but this film also, heavily implies that Drago wanted to fight Rocky all along. So he may have just used Apollo as a way to get to him...it's what I thought anyway. I really liked it. It felt like a brand new film because I haven't seen Rocky lV in years, like since 2010....so it was nice to watch it without watching the original first, or recently I should say. Sly did a good job with out over doing it, I still wish it was a longer move and the robot was cool.... The fight with Creed and Drago literally gave me chills, and I'm not afraid to say this, my eyes were a little watery...lol...🤷🏻♂️ It was the combination of creeds defeat, and the reactions from the crowd and rocky and Tony that had me all....you know, sensitive. Again,the only thing I wish sly did was keep some of the original in this version and make it a longer film. I was hoping for a 2 hr and 15 minute rocky lV.... Like the scene with Rocky giving Adrian her wedding anniversary prize lol...i like that scene from the original...Definitely watch it guys it's a great movie....all over again you know... I definitely like it a Little better than the original💯....👍🏻🥊🇺🇲🥊
Drago NEVER wanted to fight Apollo. In fact, it was stated in the theatrical version Apollo was a hero in Russia. Drago did NOT think Apollo was a CONPETITIVE fighter any longer
Seeing this (and probably any Rocky movie) the big screen was freakin' intense. They even broadcasted a live interview with Stalone beforehand too. I almost turned down my invite because I've seen the original so many times but I am so glad I went. If ever anyone has a chance to see any Rocky in theater, do it! You'll be happy you did.
watched it today, and while I still prefer the original cut, this was a fantastic re-cut. I'm actually amazed of how much alternative footage there is. I liked some of the alternative training montage footage (especially the speedbag!). Also liked the extended funeral scene. Rocky has a line about Apollo's death that makes it tie into Creed 2 better.
I enjoyed this cut of the movie too. They can both coexist in the same place. I tend to agree with your review. It was awesome to see this on the big screen tonight with my son. Considering I wasn’t able to go when it originally came out
I’m sorry man you couldn’t check it out on a big screen. I just got back and I really, really liked it . I thought it was tremendous . The tone of the film was much different I felt . I had a since of dread in certain parts . The James Brown scene especially. I’m watching thinking man Apollo was such a great character. His entrance was awesome . I felt like I was looking at Adrian with the same look she was giving Rocky . The moment they touched gloves or when Drago slapped his gloves ( I feel like that was a different cut) . I got upset . I had to tell my myself it’s ok you can see him in the mandolin. 😆 I like that he made Apollo’s fight longer . I also like the voiceovers and the different ending. I think there’s room for both films in the franchise. I would say if you’ve never seen the Rocky films go through and watch them all. And then both Creed movies. And then you graduated to Rocky vs Drago . But if you’ve never seen Rocky 4 watch the 85 version first at least I’d say .
I finally had a chance to watch this and I absolutely loved it! Rocky III has always been my favorite movie, and Rocky 4 always felt so goofy and over-the-top in comparison. This recut really brought things back on course from what was being set up from the beginning. Great review BTW JoBlo.
Just saw it in the theater and I loved it. They made Drago more human and gave him more personality with only a few more words and facial expressions. The beginning still felt a bit rushed but I loved it. Sly did a great doc on the making- came home and immediately watched it- Great stuff
I am a big fan of the entire Rocky franchise, with Part 1 being my all time favorite. I found the new Director's Cut of Rocky IV pretty cool, mainly because of the never before seen footage. But .... this new cut is choppy and awkward. I personally think Sly should have left the movie exactly the way it was, and just added in some of the extra footage, along with alternate takes. Just my opinion.
I just saw this in the theaters. I can't understand why the removed scenes were not in the theatrical release. It allows the movie to flow better and answers some questions from the original release. Things just happened in the theatrical release that weren't explained. Like some others were saying, the first twenty minutes felt rushed, but with good reason, because other than the birthday party missing it went in sequence like the original. Drago felt more human to me...its hard to explain, but he felt more like a product of propaganda rather than a cyborg and even allowed me to have sympathy towards him. There were enough changes to keep my attention. I've seen this movie enough times to notice when something is new. SPOILER ALERT... . . . . . I don't know the thinking behind the ending when Drago was knocked down. Did the referee just stop the fight? That was the only part that was confusing to me.
Just saw this and the original film back to back. Both have it's strengths, however Rocky 4 was way more serious and more Dangerous than the Director's Cut. Yes the Director cut is more fleshed out, (Story Wise) yet the original is just more heart pounding, more mysterious, more emotional, more prowness, and more epic than the new uncut.
Michael Pataki: Even if Drago is by some miracle conscious, his muscles would be totally useless. Give the troopers a chance to search. Rocky: You're talking about him as if he were a human being. That part of him died years ago. Michael Pataki: Now where are you going? Rocky: Haddonfield. It's a 4 hour drive. You can reach me through the local police. If you don't find him in 4 hours, I'm sure I will.
My mate was a journalist. Said he had breakfast with Sly. Forgot to mention the 1000 other journos in the room having breakfast. Remaking your life on film is a gift as Sly says. Most generous filmaking masterclass you will see is somewhere here. Not here. Sly still looks awesome
Give it time. Youve been used to the pacing of the original film for 35 years (we all have). This is a significantly improved film. The fights were much better. The story is much better. Its more grounded with much more heart. Theres a lot more scenes that pay off & tie together. Ill never watch the theatrical again. Its good, but the directors cut is fantastic
I haven’t been a fan of the criticism that it’s jarring to see the re-edits. While I did agree after the first time I watched it, after watching it a few more times I and I’m used to it, I can comfortably say that I like this version better
@@tylersmith9868 He's kicked around ideas in creating another spin-off series with him mentoring another character. However, this was some years ago nothing had moved forward with it. I truly think he's done playing Rocky Balboa.
Right before the film screened in theatres, there was a 20min live event with Sly talking about the film. At one point he talked about an idea he's been thinking about a Rocky prequel series set in the 60s when the characters were younger and explore how the Rocky characters came to be how they are.
Few films capture the excesses and absurdities of the "Me Decade" like 1985's ROCKY IV. We miss the robot (he had the best character arc), but this remains a genuine '80's camp classic.
I'm excited to see this . I was a little boy when we watched Rocky 4 at the drive in , my parents and my brother and one of my cousins . I know the movie so well , seen it countless times as I'm sure many of you have . It will be strange and interesting to see a different version .
Do the punch sounds suck in this compared to the original cut? Yes they were over the top but those punch noises in the original were so cool and made you feel Drago's were beyond human, it'll ruin it for me somewhat if they sound as lame as they did in Rocky Balboa.
This is a poor analogy but here goes: We have all seen the Zapruder version of the Kennedy assassination. We know every frame, every sequence by heart. But that is not the only version that exists. There is footage and photos from other angles and perspectives and makes the entire event become more than a memory sequence. It fleshes out the experience, making it happen in several dimensions, not just one point of view. That's what the Director's Cut gives you...a new perspective on a familiar experience with no change of outcome. A more rounded experience. Nothing is lost, but more texture enriches it.
Not a fan of the extended Rocky III intro. I feel it was done just to cover the fact that the movie is shorter. Also not a fan of cutting out so much Ludmilla and Rocky Jr. material. Also not a fan of the new speech at the end nor the overdubbed Rocky internal monologues. Other than that I liked everything else.
I almost saw this in theaters. But my theater did not have there physical copy on the day they were supposed to have it. So they had to stream it. And it got delayed up to 3 hours. Everyone in the theater left disappointed without seeing it. Only one night. So I had to watch it on apple TV
I just saw it, I have no idea where that extra 42 minutes came from, felt like 15 minutes max, and honestly I think the original was better, save for the robot being taken out. I noticed he cut out all of Bridget Neilson's lines, maybe it was a bad divorce and Stallone still held that grudge.
I know, right? I wondered why the heck they even bothered giving her a credit at the end. It’s like she didn’t even exist apart from a couple of scenes where she was in the background.
While Rocky IV has always been my favorite in the series because of his opponent, as a musician the thing I could never get over was the departure of Bill Conti's score in favor of Vince Dicola's of synth tracks. Because c'mon aside from and "Eye of the Tiger" most people think of Conti. With that being said I prefer this version soley due to the choice of bring back Conti's cues that are featured in the other films and in doing so helping Rocky IV feel "related" to the rest of the series from a musical standpoint.
I LOVE IT!!!! Sly did the Creed series, then did the tough thing of redoing the "Bridge between and the "Get up, Get up" is a beautiful tie in to Creed!!!!
I did enjoy the added Apollo and Adrian scenes. Definitely making Drago more Humane. The funeral was more sad as well. He did cut out scenes I liked like Dragos wife talking to Apollo’s Wife before the fight. He tweaked the wording around too. I did miss the intro of the USA and Soviet Union boxing gloves exploding. I do like that he took out the robot and all that cheesy stuff. Honestly a combo of some the original Rocky 4 and this one would be so good.
Wow! Hi, congrats! This is a very good, honest, sincere non BS unique and so down to earh , heart felt fan review. I will see it, hopelfly in theathers or else, not a movie goer or Rocky fan.
I grew up on the Rocky series and love Rocky IV, this was quite an interesting alternate take on Rocky IV and was glad all the song montages were still there, like you said a few of the alternate edits threw me off but it didn't distract my enjoyment but was saddened that Paulie's scenes with the robot were excised as they were funny. Also found Talia Shire quite attractive here. Also wanted to know while all the Rocky films have been filmed in the 1.85 aspect ratio was this version framed for 2.35?
Oh man, I can't wait to watch this! I've seen the original so many times I know it by heart. It's going to feel weird and awesome watching this version.😀
Being a huge Rocky fan, I loved the director’s cut. Lucky enough to see it in the theater and I really enjoyed it and felt it was brought to where Stallone style and vision is today as a film maker
NOT AS GOOD AS THE ORIGINAL (but great to see the movie in theaters!) : id give the original version a 8.5 out of 10 and this version a 7.5. i liked seeing the changes....BUT the original movie WAS SUPER FUN and made you feel some national pride and hope for a better future. it even inspires you to be something more... This version takes away ALOT of that fun/optimistic vision, and well needed in parts humor... modern times are and have been for a bit super dumb... and this new version tries to pander to a new generation instead of bringing them up to higher ideals and perhaps a simpler purer spirit of heart. not to mention the surround sound muffled alot of the audio at times...tho the hits were alot better sounding in it. WITH ALL THAT SAID..and prob a bit more that i could say..... I STILL LOVED THIS RE-RELEASE because it was a chance to be transported back in to that time period of the original films release. also its Sly i mean.. he is the underdog and a beacon of hope for those who want to better themselves.
I just realized, in all the times I've seen Rocky IV, that Ivan Drago uses what is essentially a versa climber. I had no idea versa climbers even existed in the 80's.
I just finished watching it on Amazon Prime Video and…….. it was good. But an improved story line from the new editing. Adrian was more surprising. I must agree! Just watch it and give your opinion.
Did you say you're NOT able to see it in Canada? Not sure where you are, but our Edmonton Cineplex is showing it for one night only on Wednesday, December 8 (already got our tix!).
Canada will get the movie in theatres, but from what I can tell, it’ll be a few weeks later, and I’m VERY LIMITED screenings. I’m out in Vancouver, and I just got tickets for a Dec. 8 show.
Question for those who are familiar with both versions: Did Stallone change the fight audio much? I hope he didn't tone down the hard crash sounds of the original film. I know it's not realistic, but man I love it lol
@@ChismTuggle Lol! Once you see this new movie it'll leave you drawing major comparisons/contrasts with the 1985 version. I miss that decade of movies it's just something for all their "cheesiness" they are still special after all these years.
Not sure where in Canada you are, but quite a few Cineplex theatres in Southern Ontario played it for one night only this past Wednesday. Guess that doesn’t do you any good now 😢 Came here after catching it on the big screen…great overview!
Loved this Rocky....the fact that it's more darker and grittier makes it much better to me... it's how it should have been IMO... I'd like to have this one in my collection even if I didn't have any other sequels on my collection.
The main difference between the two films is the complete excision of the robot and the near deletion of Bridgette Nielsen to the point where she’s cut out of the montages, and reduced to almost a non speaking part. Overall it’s a much better film, although I can’t help but feel the latter change was made out of spite.
my favorite aspects is by the end there are two men fighting "till the end' gives me gusbumps, cause it is mutual respect and they know that one of em is going to nearly die when its over
I am getting ready to watch this movie. The Rocky films hold a special place in my heart as it's easy to identify with him. I have quite a few of the songs from this series on my workout playlist and got the the Undisputed Blu Ray collection, which I watch all the time. I've always liked Rocky 4 even with the zanieness of it as it's still a movie that gets me pumped. I've been anticipating this film since it's announcement. If this movie ends up being as good or better than 4 then I've now got two Rocky 4's to love.
I really want to be wrong, but during the montages, was a continuous click added to one track? And a maraca for Hearts on Fire? It really took me out of the scenes I anticipated so much 😅 Otherwise, this new edit was awesome. The tone you felt the whole way through was unique and eerie, and the quality of some of these scans mixed with new hit folie...Holy shit
I liked it! I mean at its core it's still Rocky IV, but it definitely removes some of the more bombastic parts of the story and really delves into how much Rocky really loved Apollo and what the latter's death did to the former...a perfect lead in for Creed!
This was great. The only issue I had was the addition of the Micky and Apollo force ghosts smiling approvingly at Rocky at the end. Just seemed out of place.
Just saw this in theaters and it’s a much superior film. It feels so much more fleshed out and realistic. It feels like it falls in line with the other films a little more seamlessly. Always loved this one and considered it a guilty pleasure but now I feel like it’s a legitimately good film that extends beyond just being something I love because I grew up watching it. Five out of five stars.
My review exactly! Cheers!
Part 5 is the one that needs major surgery. But I think Stallone won't touch it, mainly because he wouldn't want to be ruthless with extracting footage of his real life son Sage (Rocky Jr) who tragically died.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat part 5 needs to be surgically removed from the franchise by Stallone himself period, can't polish a dog turd.
@@ZEUSDAZ that Don King type guy was awesome, though
@@consciousgentile5141 Well Rocky V was basically a film portraying Tyson and Don King, Tommy being a white Tyson who was being corrupted by that Don King character,...and the white money grabbing chic on Tommy's arm was pretty much the real life Givens.
The original movie is great, and its exactly what audiences wanted back in the '80s, including that cheesy but amazing ending.
I think Stallone loves that cut, but he used his spare time during quarentine to basically adapt the movie to current times.
I'm just glad we have two equally good "versions" of Rocky IV, the more Sly, the better!
I don’t see it as “cheesy” ( that word is one of my pet peeves) the original cut is a classic sequel with charm and comic book like feel with personality
Saw it in the theater tonight, when the movie ended there was a huge round of applause.
Can't remember the last time that happened.
Same where I saw it
In theatres? Why was it playing in theatres in 2021
Damn you guys hella lucky. But that’s awesome that it got a applause like that.
Yea it was a one night event in theaters to show the directors cut (for the first time)
@@ChromeFamily yeah I know. My theatre had one ticket left. That’s how popular it is.
Saw this last night in the theater. Nothing will ever compare to that experience. Thank you, Mr. Stallone.
Same here. I grew up watching all the Rocky movies on VHS and on cable but always wished I could’ve watched them in the theater. Being able to watch it in the theater was a surreal experience that I’ll never forget.
I was able to share the experience of seeing this in a theater with two of my kids last night. They were already rocky fans, but the movies had already been made before they were born so they never got to see them on the big screen like I did as a kid. What a great experience to be able to share with them.
You are so lucky!
Saw it in theaters last night and loved it. The audience reaction was overwhelmingly positive. I feel this new version, with the greater emphasis on Apollo will actually make the Creed films better upon rewatch. Especially 2.
For me, ROCKY 3 is the best. The RELATIONSHIPS that change and grow. The trust developed between ALL the characters drives the movie so much. And I swear EVERY TIME Adrian gives that pepe talk to Rocky on the beach is ABSOLUTE GOLD. It gets me ❤️ every time.
Hahaa I always choke up in that scene🥺😁
Honestly having seen this in theatres was magical. It was an experience. Idk if the cut itself was better than the original release as a whole but there were certainly parts that were better and welcome additions imo. Both fights in the film were SIGNIFICANTLY better as a whole. The pacing and editing was the biggest gripe I had. The dialogue goes unnaturally fast at times (they cut to the next line a little too quickly) and they spent way too much time recapping Rocky 3.
Recap out and gloves back in. We need an 80s Ultimate addition. I liked the boxing better than the theatrical.
I have always had a guilty love for the original. But if we're talking canon, the director's cut is the better entry. Rocky, Apollo, Drago, even Ludmilla Drago...all their characters make more sense in future entries of the series with this version. I don't want to spoil it, but yeah, to say it humanizes characters is an understatement...it gives a film that was largely devoid of realism a Drago sized shot of it. Absolutely loved it. Fits big time in our current environment.
Loved your block on James Harden Mr. Ginobili
I have mixed feelings on this cut it’s still too short and feels rushed at times. Drago is more humanized which I’m also torn on because most of his intimidating presence is gone. But that sequence right before Drago vs rocky started was incredible he really captured that this is a global event kind of atmosphere. I’ve also watched the original about 100 times growing up so it was hard to adjust to the changes. But still really glad Stallone gave us this version.
I have mixed feelings too and yeah some parts felt rushed
Can we get a new version of Cobra? I know there’s a ton of footage leftover from that.
Overall I loved what Stallone did. The scene between Rocky and Adrian before he leaves for Russia was really touching. The changes to Apollos fight were necessary. I loved that they made the scene with Rocky and Apollo in the dressing room a flashback. I wish Stallone had kept the original beginning, minus the robot. New beginning didn't transition well. Some of the editing seemed off. Some of the extra scenes, while I liked them, seemed like low quality takes that had to be used because they didn't have better ones. It does makes me wonder what kind of marvel Stallone could have created if he had gone this direction the first time around in 1985.
Yes I noticed the grain and also he used a shot of Paulie twice in the final fight.
Nitpicks aside , I really liked it
I’m not gonna lie…I love the Robot in Rocky 4
One of my favourite films 🍿
Sorry but I hated the robot scenes.
Apollo didn't
This could have been called Rocky first blood. Man on a mission of vengeance. No fluff. The fights were so much more real, the emotions were more raw too. I love that any political implications of the original were washed away to show that the focus really was on avenging his friend. SO glad he kept the music! This deserves a theatrical run!
Yeah I’d pay to watch it on theaters
It was the '80s, people didnt want that kind of movie, they wanted exactly what this movie is.
Cheesy, goofy, amazing.
Need to put it in the theatres for more then 1 night
@@davidwade7681 buuuut it’s more special if it’s one night only in cinemas. I’m already making plans to go see it in theaters now that I know when and where to see it where I live
@@unstoppableExodia but it's too late it was only in theatres Thursday
Saw it at the movies tonight,first time I have seen a packed theater in this new decade and everyone clapped and cheered when the film ended.
My favorite part of this new version is that Drago actually HAS a character now, and isn't just an emotionless wall for the hero to overcome. And the best part of it is that he doesn't really get many new lines of dialog; it's mostly all in his facial expressions.
Also, in the original version, Apollo says early on that despite his strength, his lack of experience makes him sloppy, but you never actually see that. In this new version, you actually do get a sense of that sloppy inexperience in the beginning of his fight with Apollo.
All in all, Drago definitely came out the most ahead in this version.
Just saw this version in theaters and I can say that I prefer the theatrical version; it would've worked better had Sly just added some of the newer footage to the theatrical version
Ya nothing special about the movie after seeing the original a million times
I liked the funeral scene more in this but nothing else if I'm honest. Bit more Adrian was nice.
First things first, I am a HUGE fan of the Rocky franchise. That said...
I just saw this and boy am I torn. From the poorly edited & choppy opening sequences to the now completely out of place There's No Easy Way Out music video, Rocky v Drago has taken my least favorite Rocky film and made it my least favorite Rocky film, but with a catch... some scenes that felt rushed or that weren't even in the 1985 version are longer and wonderful. The characters of Adrian & Ivan are better this time around. Where as the characters of Ivan's wife & Paulie have been severely short shifted.
Apollo's fight with Ivan is completely changed. It is no longer a simple massacre, but a brutal poignant death of a beloved character. As for Rocky's fight with Ivan, I am not sure where I stand. It too is also different and perhaps maybe better. It's more of a savage brawl, but I would have to see it again to make my decision.
For all the changes Stallone made to all that still remains, in the end, I was disappointed by this new version. Sly really had a chance to make the best version of Rocky 4, but he didn't. I was expecting even more Bill Conti music. I was expecting less music videos. And even though he tries to make Rocky 4 more like the other Rocky films instead of the odd duck it has always been, he only half succeeds because the film has basically the same runtime as the original, which means he took out as much as he put in. Sadly, there's still a good movie in here trying to get out. Only now, though, it will be up to a fan edit to produce it.
Just watched it in the theatre and truthfully didn’t care for it . Maybe it’s because I’ve seen the original a hundred times and it’s etched in my head or maybe it just wasn’t necessary to change . I did like a few of the added scenes and dialog and character development but feel it could have been added without removing so much of the original . Drago didn’t feel as terrifying in this version , the cutting of the throwing the towel scene was strange and the first 20 minutes was way too rushed and odd .
People underestimate the connection between Paulie and that robot!
Still prefer the original overall, but would love a supercut that uses the theatrical as the base with *some* of the changes made. It was awesome.
I just hope they added a montage or two. Rocky 4 was really lacking in that department
I want to see Adrian's montage of memories that made her get on the plane to Russia.
All to the theme of Baby Come Back, by Player
😂
No it wasn’t
@@terrellsmith6715 🤦🤦🤦
Saw it last night and loved it! I liked the new scenes with Adrian and the recut of the fights.
My main gripes though was the annoyingly blue tint in certain scenes, the overly long car montage, and the lack of hearts on fire for the ending.
Overall, it is a much more serious and emotionally paced film compared to the original.
Having seen the original 100 times, I've been waiting for this for a few months. Quick reaction: The original is superior overall. This version feels more rushed and smaller like an indie film. Sometimes I felt like I was watching a soap opera. Some of the edits don't flow naturally and the sound mix doesn't sound quite right. That being said, I definitely enjoyed the extra scenes. I just can't for the life of me understand why that meant certain lines had to go. Why trade it off? Why not just combine and make the best of the best version possible? Did Stallone have a formal restriction on time?
SPOILERS below:
- I loved Apollo telling Rocky before going into the last round "For my family, please don't stop this fight. No matter what." But they cut his final "No matter what" that was in the theatrical cut that added that much more emphasis.
- I hate how they took out Apollo's final "NO" before he was hit with the final lethal blow from Drago. Like seriously why?
- Adrian's extra scenes again add so more emotional depth to her role in the film.
- During the Hearts on Fire montage going into the last verse Rocky originally tears Drago's picture off the mirror and crumbles it. For some reason, they scrapped that in exchange to see Rocky jump rope some more. I mean c'mon, that is the new footage just for the sake of it.
- During Rocky's victory speech he mentions Apollo dying, and the camera points to Drago lowering his head seemingly in remorse. Great added scene.
- The final fight definitely had some edits that seemed out of place. But I loved Drago's extra lines. But the final moment when Rocky daps up Drago as he exits the ring is a game-changer for me. I understand why it wasn't in the original but it adds more context and depth to their relationship. I wanna say if this is considered canon I feel it contradicts the way Rocky looks at Drago during Creed 2 a bit though.
They had to cut out Apollo's final "No" because Rocky was going to throw in the towel. There was no hesitation in what he was doing. I prefer Rocky being late throwing in the towel vs him letting his best friend die.
@@silverguard8105 Fair point but his old manager still said “Throw the towel” so there was an opportunity to leave at least one NO in there. It was a super fast ending when you compare it to the original.
I also kind of think whether he was late vs “letting” his friend die are one in the same. He says “I let it happen” at the funeral and that would seem to imply that’s cause he didn’t throw in the towel at all. But throwing in the towel (late) in the original would still qualify as letting it happen in my view.
I love Sly Stallone and his Rocky films.
5th one sucks though
@@biguy617 Rocky V was more like a made for tv movie. Had a different feel. Though the street fight at the end was great. Tommy Morrison was a great addition to the cast.
Saw it in the theater. I enjoyed it, and I feel the same way as you. There are things that make each cut better than the other. It’s much more serious and that’s its greatest strength. I wish Stallone kept the original aspect ratio, though. Adding the bars for a movie that they weren’t made for makes the composition feel more cramped than they need to be.
I enjoyed it a lot, but I have one complaint. As strange and out of place the scenes with the robot are, I felt the beginning went by way too fast for me. I like the last two thirds worked better than the theatrical cut, and especially the ending. I’ve only seen the theatrical cut 3 times before as it wasn’t until recently that I actually owned it, but I wouldn’t say either is definitive. While I’d lean toward the directors’ cut, I feel like my ultimate version would e similar to the Selutron Superman 2 putting back in some of the stuff from the theatrical cuts first third. Other than that, I really have no complaints.
Was at my local theater to watch it. Got to the point where Rocky places the belt on Apollo's grave when the theater lost power. Very bummed. Will watch it on Amazon this weekend, but so was looking forward to watching it on the big screen tonight.
The showing in my theatre had technical issues.It got started an hour late.
@@jenniferthomas999 Mine had technical issues too, we had to wait about half an hour for it to start.
@@tfsr401 Same here. I was in the Majestic 7 at Watertown, Massachusetts
Whoever cut that trailer did a great job.. I saw it at the Theatre/Fathom and while it was a fun experience it was a bit underwhelming, the trailer definitely oversells it. It was cool though.. I had watched it this time of the year in 1985 at the same location in Eugene, Or. when it came out when I was 11.. and it was definitely a very memorable occasion. One of the few movies that really stuck in my memory for all these years.
I was born in 82. Rocky was my favorite franchise. Obviously as a little boy, III and IV were my favorite, but by the time I was a man it was the original Rocky that became my favorite. This cut is incredible. Rocky’s speech at Apollo’s funeral alone was worth the price of admission. I’ll never be able to watch the theatrical release again, Of course this bears in mind years of maturity and an understanding of the global politic I just didn’t have when I was 10. 😎 Great review!
Divided on checking this out. I'd love to see Stallone's revision ideas but at the same time, the original, warts and all, was a key part of my younger memories and remains one of my favorite guilty pleasures.
Aint nothing guilty about it
I disagreed with most of his edits lol. Yeah, you got rid of the robot but in doing so you halved Burt Young’s onscreen time. The extra scene with Apollo at Rocky’s house doesn’t make sense because in that scene Apollo is still considering whether or not to fight Drago but in the next scene which happens on the same day it sounds like the fight is already set. And the moment during Apollo’s fight where he yells at Rocky not to throw the towel has been cut, making it seem like Rocky never had a chance to throw the towel anyway.
That was deliberate, Stallone wanted it to be where Rocky is throwing the towel in just as Drago hits that last punch which does Apollo in.
Saw the original in theaters in '85 and have seen it countless times since. My son and I just got back from seeing the directors cut at a special screening. We really enjoyed all the changes that were made. I don't think I'll ever go back and watch the theatrical version again. This one feels like it fits in better with other films and gives the characters a lot more depth. It kept was was great about the original and added some nice touches.
Baaahhhhhhh Rocky IV was amazing. There's a reason it grossed 300 million during its initial release. It might not have, if this directors cut was the original cut, but it might have. Who knows.
@@ClayMationNation would have been $900 million in today's money
Another soundtrack note: Go West gets denied a royalty check as "One Way Street" gets excised from the director's cut because it's in the first robot scene. Stallone was a fan of their debut album, which is how they got on the soundtrack.
I love both versions so so much. The new cut is so emotionally charged and definitely fits well in line with 1-3 even more now. Though IMO the build up to 4 works either way, because 3 is the cheesiest going up to it. Both versions are absolutely a blast to watch.
Everyone calling the original a "guilty pleasure". Its not, it was just good old fashioned cheesy 80's fun. Yes it's dated, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying it still just because the critics didn't.
Guilty pleasures are movies with xx's in the title
My copy of the film is 94 minutes. With 7 minutes of Rocky 3 and over 5 minutes of credits the actual film is under 82 minutes. I like the extra scenes with Apollo, the first fight was better and the extra scenes at the funeral were good. However i was hoping for a film around the 2 hour mark but they cut too much out i understand cutting the robot out but they cut out a lot of Drago's wife's best lines and they even cut out Apollo's best line about retiring more men than social security. I feel Stallone could have kept more in and made this a really good 110-120 minute movie. Some of the editing is a bit choppy and lines don't match what is happening. Example in the first fight you hear a commentator say Creed has slipped but the footage does not show him slipping like it does in the original film. Showing Creed slipping was good because it does show he has ring rust and his footwork is not what it used to be.
Love both versions however after watching this director's cut last night I feel that this 2021 version was far much better and more serious. Sticking to this new version from now on when I watch the entire Rocky movie series again. I watched a *director's cut* of Rocky V online once and i thought THAT version was far much better than the theatrical cut released in 1990. Wish Stallone would also work on that as well, hey maybe I'm asking for too much but it's wishful thinking.🤷♂️🥊🙏😏😁
Biggest complaint is the sudden ko of drago with no countdown. He was just out. There was no build up.
This has inspired me to make my own fan cut for my personal enjoyment.
Make sure you post it!
saw it in the theatre tonight..the first 15 minutes they had a stallone interview audio commentary playing instead of the true audio file for the film, right after apollo gets out of the pool they switched it to the correct track..it was jarring and strange..and put me off for the first 30 minutes of the movie wondering what the heck was going on..that being said..i liked it..but the original cut is my Rocky4...also I really missed his son cheering him on from home during the final fight, and him telling him he loves him during the post fight interview..was the robot really all that bad? HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAULIE!
I love directors cuts and extended uncut movies. I saw the Gladiator extended and I was amazed how many great and important scenes were cut out in the theatrical. And Rocky IV is my favorite Rocky movie.
I saw this movie at least 3 times in the first 2 weeks it opened when I was, well younger. I Was debating about watching this, but now I'm totally going to. I had the Soundtrack and used to listen to it when I practiced for Hockey. But in my defense, I did grow up in a Regan family so the subtext was very simple to me at the time, but I still kind of really enjoy the movie..
I thought this version was great. As you said it's more serious, even the sound is better and more realistic, the boxing matches, the hitting of each other sounds better than the shotgun sounds we're use to in the original. I felt this film is more Apollo’s story than anything...you know. The original it's Rocky's story, you know what I mean?
One of the most interesting alterations is choosing a different flashback to Rocky III. It opens this Rocky IV on a more somber note, and emphasizes the importance of Apollo.
The first act is way more Apollo centric. It deepens Apollo’s motivation to fight Drago more than just his restlessness in retirement, although that’s still there....I felt again, Creed felt threatened by rocky still " on top"
I haven't watched the original in a long time, but this film also, heavily implies that Drago wanted to fight Rocky all along. So he may have just used Apollo as a way to get to him...it's what I thought anyway.
I really liked it. It felt like a brand new film because I haven't seen Rocky lV in years, like since 2010....so it was nice to watch it without watching the original first, or recently I should say.
Sly did a good job with out over doing it, I still wish it was a longer move and the robot was cool.... The fight with Creed and Drago literally gave me chills, and I'm not afraid to say this, my eyes were a little watery...lol...🤷🏻♂️ It was the combination of creeds defeat, and the reactions from the crowd and rocky and Tony that had me all....you know, sensitive. Again,the only thing I wish sly did was keep some of the original in this version and make it a longer film. I was hoping for a 2 hr and 15 minute rocky lV.... Like the scene with Rocky giving Adrian her wedding anniversary prize lol...i like that scene from the original...Definitely watch it guys it's a great movie....all over again you know... I definitely like it a Little better than the original💯....👍🏻🥊🇺🇲🥊
Drago NEVER wanted to fight Apollo.
In fact, it was stated in the theatrical version Apollo was a hero in Russia.
Drago did NOT think Apollo was a CONPETITIVE fighter any longer
watched Rocky IV when I was 7, Dolph Lundgren used to terrify me.
Seeing this (and probably any Rocky movie) the big screen was freakin' intense. They even broadcasted a live interview with Stalone beforehand too. I almost turned down my invite because I've seen the original so many times but I am so glad I went. If ever anyone has a chance to see any Rocky in theater, do it! You'll be happy you did.
watched it today, and while I still prefer the original cut, this was a fantastic re-cut. I'm actually amazed of how much alternative footage there is. I liked some of the alternative training montage footage (especially the speedbag!). Also liked the extended funeral scene. Rocky has a line about Apollo's death that makes it tie into Creed 2 better.
LOL. I made the same comparison of Superman 2 when I talk about it. Funny.
I enjoyed this cut of the movie too. They can both coexist in the same place. I tend to agree with your review. It was awesome to see this on the big screen tonight with my son.
Considering I wasn’t able to go when it originally came out
Rocky 4 was AMAZING! After 3 realistic movies on the topic, they clearly needed to amp up the surreality. Total success!
Rocky 3 was realistic? Thunderlips?
I’m sorry man you couldn’t check it out on a big screen. I just got back and I really, really liked it . I thought it was tremendous . The tone of the film was much different I felt . I had a since of dread in certain parts . The James Brown scene especially. I’m watching thinking man Apollo was such a great character. His entrance was awesome . I felt like I was looking at Adrian with the same look she was giving Rocky . The moment they touched gloves or when Drago slapped his gloves ( I feel like that was a different cut) . I got upset . I had to tell my myself it’s ok you can see him in the mandolin. 😆
I like that he made Apollo’s fight longer . I also like the voiceovers and the different ending.
I think there’s room for both films in the franchise. I would say if you’ve never seen the Rocky films go through and watch them all. And then both Creed movies. And then you graduated to Rocky vs Drago . But if you’ve never seen Rocky 4 watch the 85 version first at least I’d say .
Saw it in theaters. It was great. The crowd obviously was really into it. So much fun. I liked it better than the old version
I hate when someone goes back and recuts a movie that didn’t need to be fixed but I’ll eventually watch it and give it a shot
I finally had a chance to watch this and I absolutely loved it! Rocky III has always been my favorite movie, and Rocky 4 always felt so goofy and over-the-top in comparison. This recut really brought things back on course from what was being set up from the beginning. Great review BTW JoBlo.
Just saw it in the theater and I loved it. They made Drago more human and gave him more personality with only a few more words and facial expressions. The beginning still felt a bit rushed but I loved it.
Sly did a great doc on the making- came home and immediately watched it-
Great stuff
I am a big fan of the entire Rocky franchise, with Part 1 being my all time favorite. I found the new Director's Cut of Rocky IV pretty cool, mainly because of the never before seen footage. But .... this new cut is choppy and awkward. I personally think Sly should have left the movie exactly the way it was, and just added in some of the extra footage, along with alternate takes. Just my opinion.
I just saw this in the theaters. I can't understand why the removed scenes were not in the theatrical release. It allows the movie to flow better and answers some questions from the original release. Things just happened in the theatrical release that weren't explained. Like some others were saying, the first twenty minutes felt rushed, but with good reason, because other than the birthday party missing it went in sequence like the original. Drago felt more human to me...its hard to explain, but he felt more like a product of propaganda rather than a cyborg and even allowed me to have sympathy towards him. There were enough changes to keep my attention. I've seen this movie enough times to notice when something is new.
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I don't know the thinking behind the ending when Drago was knocked down. Did the referee just stop the fight? That was the only part that was confusing to me.
Just saw this and the original film back to back. Both have it's strengths, however Rocky 4 was way more serious and more Dangerous than the Director's Cut. Yes the Director cut is more fleshed out, (Story Wise) yet the original is just more heart pounding, more mysterious, more emotional, more prowness, and more epic than the new uncut.
Michael Pataki: Even if Drago is by some miracle conscious, his muscles would be totally useless. Give the troopers a chance to search.
Rocky: You're talking about him as if he were a human being. That part of him died years ago.
Michael Pataki: Now where are you going?
Rocky: Haddonfield. It's a 4 hour drive. You can reach me through the local police. If you don't find him in 4 hours, I'm sure I will.
Brilliant. It's even the 4th one to boot! Well played, my friend.
My mate was a journalist. Said he had breakfast with Sly. Forgot to mention the 1000 other journos in the room having breakfast. Remaking your life on film is a gift as Sly says. Most generous filmaking masterclass you will see is somewhere here. Not here. Sly still looks awesome
Just saw it in theaters. Everything seems too fast pace in the first 20 minutes. Need to let this marinate a bit. As of now, I prefer the original.
Give it time. Youve been used to the pacing of the original film for 35 years (we all have). This is a significantly improved film. The fights were much better. The story is much better. Its more grounded with much more heart. Theres a lot more scenes that pay off & tie together.
Ill never watch the theatrical again. Its good, but the directors cut is fantastic
@@integrity101 some reviewer said the directors cut is ugly, washed out, and dead looking.
That Stallone desaturated everything.
The new cut is way better. The only really minor flaw is there is lack of Brigitte Nielsen but it’s really touching and less cheesy.
I haven’t been a fan of the criticism that it’s jarring to see the re-edits. While I did agree after the first time I watched it, after watching it a few more times I and I’m used to it, I can comfortably say that I like this version better
I'm all up for seeing more Rocky content. I'm pretty sure Stallone is finished with this character, so this looks like a fun trip down memory lane.
Really? What a surprise Stallone finished with the role.... Dudes 75 years old
@@tylersmith9868 He's kicked around ideas in creating another spin-off series with him mentoring another character. However, this was some years ago nothing had moved forward with it. I truly think he's done playing Rocky Balboa.
@@Dohsoda ok
Right before the film screened in theatres, there was a 20min live event with Sly talking about the film. At one point he talked about an idea he's been thinking about a Rocky prequel series set in the 60s when the characters were younger and explore how the Rocky characters came to be how they are.
@@Aztecatl7 I love the series, but I really don't think I need to see anymore covered back story prior to 1976.
Few films capture the excesses and absurdities of the "Me Decade" like 1985's ROCKY IV. We miss the robot (he had the best character arc), but this remains a genuine '80's camp classic.
I'm excited to see this . I was a little boy when we watched Rocky 4 at the drive in , my parents and my brother and one of my cousins . I know the movie so well , seen it countless times as I'm sure many of you have . It will be strange and interesting to see a different version .
THIS WAS EXCELLENT!! I saw it tonight and absolutely LOVED IT!! Theater was sold out and everyone applauded.
Do people actually do that? Must be an American thing
Do the punch sounds suck in this compared to the original cut?
Yes they were over the top but those punch noises in the original were so cool and made you feel Drago's were beyond human, it'll ruin it for me somewhat if they sound as lame as they did in Rocky Balboa.
This is a poor analogy but here goes:
We have all seen the Zapruder version of the Kennedy assassination. We know every frame, every sequence by heart. But that is not the only version that exists. There is footage and photos from other angles and perspectives and makes the entire event become more than a memory sequence. It fleshes out the experience, making it happen in several dimensions, not just one point of view. That's what the Director's Cut gives you...a new perspective on a familiar experience with no change of outcome. A more rounded experience. Nothing is lost, but more texture enriches it.
Not a fan of the extended Rocky III intro. I feel it was done just to cover the fact that the movie is shorter. Also not a fan of cutting out so much Ludmilla and Rocky Jr. material. Also not a fan of the new speech at the end nor the overdubbed Rocky internal monologues.
Other than that I liked everything else.
I almost saw this in theaters. But my theater did not have there physical copy on the day they were supposed to have it. So they had to stream it. And it got delayed up to 3 hours. Everyone in the theater left disappointed without seeing it. Only one night. So I had to watch it on apple TV
I need to watch this already! Saw it live in 1985 at the cinema....have to wait to 25th November in UK!!
It's out in vue .saw it Saturday just gone
We got this in theatres in Scotland this Saturday coming - to say I’m pumped to see this is an understatement!!
I just saw it, I have no idea where that extra 42 minutes came from, felt like 15 minutes max, and honestly I think the original was better, save for the robot being taken out. I noticed he cut out all of Bridget Neilson's lines, maybe it was a bad divorce and Stallone still held that grudge.
I know, right? I wondered why the heck they even bothered giving her a credit at the end. It’s like she didn’t even exist apart from a couple of scenes where she was in the background.
He kept the scenes where Bridget introduces Drago as well as the press conference scenes.
@@lakebay972 no he didn’t. The scene where she says she fears for her husband’s life….gone.
@@RefUnionTV Even her face saying 'yes' when Drago picked up his 'manager' was cut
@@NoirTech83 nyet-- not yes, lol
While Rocky IV has always been my favorite in the series because of his opponent, as a musician the thing I could never get over was the departure of Bill Conti's score in favor of Vince Dicola's of synth tracks. Because c'mon aside from and "Eye of the Tiger" most people think of Conti. With that being said I prefer this version soley due to the choice of bring back Conti's cues that are featured in the other films and in doing so helping Rocky IV feel "related" to the rest of the series from a musical standpoint.
I LOVE IT!!!! Sly did the Creed series, then did the tough thing of redoing the "Bridge between and the "Get up, Get up" is a beautiful tie in to Creed!!!!
I did enjoy the added Apollo and Adrian scenes. Definitely making Drago more Humane. The funeral was more sad as well. He did cut out scenes I liked like Dragos wife talking to Apollo’s Wife before the fight. He tweaked the wording around too. I did miss the intro of the USA and Soviet Union boxing gloves exploding. I do like that he took out the robot and all that cheesy stuff. Honestly a combo of some the original Rocky 4 and this one would be so good.
I watched this version. I felt the same way I did with Superman 2: Donner Cut. It's nice to see, but I'll still prefer the theatrical version.
In the musical passage “Up the Mountain”, do they play the post Rocky 4 extended version that has become popular?
Wow! Hi, congrats! This is a very good, honest, sincere non BS unique and so down to earh , heart felt fan review. I will see it, hopelfly in theathers or else, not a movie goer or Rocky fan.
I must break you, looking forward to seeing this on Amazon when it comes to digital in the UK.
Do you know when it will be on Amazon in the UK?...I have checked and it's not on there yet...Thanks
I grew up on the Rocky series and love Rocky IV, this was quite an interesting alternate take on Rocky IV and was glad all the song montages were still there, like you said a few of the alternate edits threw me off but it didn't distract my enjoyment but was saddened that Paulie's scenes with the robot were excised as they were funny. Also found Talia Shire quite attractive here. Also wanted to know while all the Rocky films have been filmed in the 1.85 aspect ratio was this version framed for 2.35?
Oh man, I can't wait to watch this! I've seen the original so many times I know it by heart. It's going to feel weird and awesome watching this version.😀
Has the aspect ratio been changed to 2.351 or is this just for the trailer?
Being a huge Rocky fan, I loved the director’s cut. Lucky enough to see it in the theater and I really enjoyed it and felt it was brought to where Stallone style and vision is today as a film maker
NOT AS GOOD AS THE ORIGINAL (but great to see the movie in theaters!) : id give the original version a 8.5 out of 10 and this version a 7.5.
i liked seeing the changes....BUT the original movie WAS SUPER FUN and made you feel some national pride and hope for a better future. it even inspires you to be something more...
This version takes away ALOT of that fun/optimistic vision, and well needed in parts humor... modern times are and have been for a bit super dumb... and this new version tries to pander to a new generation instead of bringing them up to higher ideals and perhaps a simpler purer spirit of heart. not to mention the surround sound muffled alot of the audio at times...tho the hits were alot better sounding in it.
WITH ALL THAT SAID..and prob a bit more that i could say..... I STILL LOVED THIS RE-RELEASE because it was a chance to be transported back in to that time period of the original films release. also its Sly i mean.. he is the underdog and a beacon of hope for those who want to better themselves.
I just realized, in all the times I've seen Rocky IV, that Ivan Drago uses what is essentially a versa climber. I had no idea versa climbers even existed in the 80's.
I just finished watching it on Amazon Prime Video and…….. it was good.
But an improved story line from the new editing.
Adrian was more surprising. I must agree!
Just watch it and give your opinion.
When’s it out in uk on Amazon? Can’t find it
Did you say you're NOT able to see it in Canada? Not sure where you are, but our Edmonton Cineplex is showing it for one night only on Wednesday, December 8 (already got our tix!).
Canada will get the movie in theatres, but from what I can tell, it’ll be a few weeks later, and I’m VERY LIMITED screenings. I’m out in Vancouver, and I just got tickets for a Dec. 8 show.
Question for those who are familiar with both versions: Did Stallone change the fight audio much? I hope he didn't tone down the hard crash sounds of the original film. I know it's not realistic, but man I love it lol
Yes sir! No over the top sounds for punches.
@@SBatts-vn1bd awww man 😕
@@ChismTuggle Lol! Once you see this new movie it'll leave you drawing major comparisons/contrasts with the 1985 version. I miss that decade of movies it's just something for all their "cheesiness" they are still special after all these years.
Not sure where in Canada you are, but quite a few Cineplex theatres in Southern Ontario played it for one night only this past Wednesday. Guess that doesn’t do you any good now 😢 Came here after catching it on the big screen…great overview!
Loved this Rocky....the fact that it's more darker and grittier makes it much better to me... it's how it should have been IMO... I'd like to have this one in my collection even if I didn't have any other sequels on my collection.
Hopefully comes out on 4k blu ray. I watched tonight but I need to seat and enjoy this movie again. 🙏
The main difference between the two films is the complete excision of the robot and the near deletion of Bridgette Nielsen to the point where she’s cut out of the montages, and reduced to almost a non speaking part. Overall it’s a much better film, although I can’t help but feel the latter change was made out of spite.
my favorite aspects is by the end there are two men fighting "till the end' gives me gusbumps, cause it is mutual respect and they know that one of em is going to nearly die when its over
I am getting ready to watch this movie. The Rocky films hold a special place in my heart as it's easy to identify with him. I have quite a few of the songs from this series on my workout playlist and got the the Undisputed Blu Ray collection, which I watch all the time. I've always liked Rocky 4 even with the zanieness of it as it's still a movie that gets me pumped. I've been anticipating this film since it's announcement. If this movie ends up being as good or better than 4 then I've now got two Rocky 4's to love.
Guessing you have a new Rocky to love
@@fentanelfloyd8383 I do.
I really want to be wrong, but during the montages, was a continuous click added to one track? And a maraca for Hearts on Fire?
It really took me out of the scenes I anticipated so much 😅
Otherwise, this new edit was awesome. The tone you felt the whole way through was unique and eerie, and the quality of some of these scans mixed with new hit folie...Holy shit
I liked it! I mean at its core it's still Rocky IV, but it definitely removes some of the more bombastic parts of the story and really delves into how much Rocky really loved Apollo and what the latter's death did to the former...a perfect lead in for Creed!
Seeing it on the big screen was AMAZING!
This was great. The only issue I had was the addition of the Micky and Apollo force ghosts smiling approvingly at Rocky at the end. Just seemed out of place.