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Shout out to the women street photographers out there.
I know there are so many amazing women street photographers making great work out there. Unfortunately, when I was out in ‘filming mode’ for this video, I wasn’t able to run into any women photographers who were willing to be on video - we’ll get more women photographers on the channel soon, stay tuned!
I really enjoyed the Melissa O'Shaughnessy episode.
I’m down to join for videos, just let me know! ✌️
Not everything has to be so sanctimonious.
May be particularly challenging featuring guys who compare shooting film to women who do it like an animal...
We need to make Kodak to come back
This format is way better than a podcast. Keep going with this.
Feels more like film is abandoning us.
100%
The cost of a roll of color film back in the 1980’s and 1990’s was about what it costs today when you figure in inflation for the past 30 years.
Definitely.
Vision3 isn't going away...
@@CalumetVideo How much was the minimum wage back then, adjusted for inflation?
One of the ways I continue to be unaffected by the rising cost of film is I didn't feel the need to purchase a $3K camera because it has a red dot on the front! My $300 Nikon does everything that Leica does and then some. My fridge is stocked, my lab does excellent work, I also don't live in a place where rent is 80% of my paycheck either so there's that!
Super interesting to hear all of these different perspectives and reasons. I've missed shooting my M6 a lot this year, so much that I've sold my Monochrom, but I imagine I'll still shoot the SL2 for the majority. The cost isn't bad with developing and scanning at home, but like others mentioned, the time is the real cost for me. Just can't keep up, I'm still working through my 2022 backlog.
I’ll continue to shoot exclusively on film until it’s no longer in production. I’ve tried shooting on various digital cameras but they don’t give me the satisfaction of the mechanics and processes of shooting film. Film gives me joy in a way that digital fails to offer.
You do this as proffesion or hobby?
@@photoleando Hobbyist with some paid work when I have time to take it on.
I shot film, mostly 35mm, from the 1980's until about 2002. After I got the first Canon Rebel digital DSLR I got away from film. I have dabbled in portable 4x5 photography (wanderlust 3d printed camera), but mostly stayed true to digital. I've gotten to the point where I get the results I want with digital and I'm hesitant to go back to film because I'm afraid that I will just screw up a bunch of pricey film. But I do love watching all of the NY city street photographers do their thing. It's very inspirational; so thanks for everything you all go through to make photos.
Andrew with the Contax raised the question I always had about film in street photography. If you’re doing landscape or architecture, being selective with your shots is fine. But with street photography, it seems you will inevitably miss some “decisive moments” if you’re mentally restricting yourself for cost reasons. Maybe there are some very confident street photographers who always know in 100% advance which shots will work out, but I think most take split-second gambles.
I never shot two frames per street scene and often of any scene in particular moment. Rangefinders with framelines allowing this. But not taking plenty of shots and not going for the street often, it is nothing but showoff.
No way of restricting frames for an interesting scene will make you a good streetphotographer. If I were shooting film when I have to take couples of frames for a fxxking interesting scene and people, I would bite the bullet. Money comes and goes way much easier than a good photography chance.
Stephen Shore's Uncommon Places was shot in 4x5 color film, yes? But the work is about umm... urban street photography, and not catching fast-paced decisive moments...
Film really made me more selective and I could not imagine myself shooting multiple rolls every day I go out, I don't need to be shooting photos of everything when I'm not really connected to what is happening. I actually only shoot like 2 rolls a month now and I'm happy with what I get, and in comparation when I go out with a little digicam I have most of the photos I take with it I don't really care (still I like to use it in specific conditions, certain days, and I have shot like 2 or 3 really spontaneous photos in moments I decided not to have my film camera ready but it was just out of luck)
@@anta40Yes, I meant street photography in the sense of dynamic situations involving human subjects. I guess genre definitions are ultimately subjective, but I think of Uncommon Places as mostly landscape photography where the subjects are diners, street corners, and hotel rooms instead of mountains, rivers, and oceans.
Every time I think of shooting film again I see the price for Ektar and Ektachrome and that thought quickly dies.
I've got some Ektar on the way at the moment, a few years ago I used to order around 10 rolls at a time, now it's 5. I think it's coming under armed guard...
@@wylie_photo yup - I shoot film for personal things and it never sees the light of day but I do miss a $5 roll of Ektar. My favorite film for everything daytime and a great portrait stock for those with darker skin when pushed a stop!
The best photography channel on YT without a doubt. Loved this one
I’ll still continue to shoot film. It’s what helped revitalize my love for photography. While I enjoy shooting with film, it’s not always perfect and I do screw up from time to time. Sometimes developing film will frustrate the hell out of me. I don’t think I’ll change anytime soon besides shooting less. Would love to see newer developments taking place that makes working with film a lot easier.
I hate it when people use a camera as a reason to slow down. Surly it doesn't matter what's in your hand - it's your approach. Basically what you're saying is that you overshoot on your digital and you don't on film. The reality on film is that you simply have less space to fill so you think more about your picture, rather than overshooting on digital.
I'm from France.
After my last trip to New York in september 2019, I started to shoot way less than I used to because it was harder to justify the cost when it's just a hobby.
It cost me around 300€ to buy, process and scan 11 Portra rolls. Adding the time spent to properly scan my edit from those 11 rolls (as lab scan are only like proof prints to me if that makes sense).
2020 I only shots 9 rolls (3x TriX, 6x Portra).
In march 2021 I bought a X100v for a trip in Greece later that year and I started shooting a lot again. Now I have a X-T4 in addition and digital is the only way I shot since I bought the X100v.
I'll keep my M6 and be buried with it but I really can't justify the cost now.
Sell the M6 then get M10.
You will save money. Nobody cares if was shot on film or digital Nobody will ask. Really nobody cares. Real talk!
I'm old enough to have been introduced to photography in the film only days (Pentax spotmatic). I discovered street photography through the Vivian Maier documentaries, and jumped back into photography on digital with Lumix, Fuji and now finally I shoot with a Sony full frame camera. I do enjoy focus marked manual M-mount wide angle lenses for zone focusing but I also lean heavily into the eye-AF prowess of my system (which can focus an f/1.4 lens faster and more accurately than I ever could). I can see plainly in this video that "the club" definitely worships film, and none of the reasons are compelling to me. The "look" of film is nothing that white balance and parametric EQ can't trivially reproduce (assuming I cared enough about a certain color temperature and EQ to consider a picture inferior without it - which I don't). The most compelling of the reasons is the intentional process slowing. I get that. That said, taking up the expense of film for that process benefit makes me wonder - couldn't I just slow down as a matter of discipline, and pocket the savings? I think so. I have slown down over the years. I used to shoot 500 shots a day and these days I shoot more like 50, but later that night - on a good day - I might keep 5-10 shots, and simply delete the rest. Cost: $0 and the same time if not less time than others spend chasing the film dragons. @thiefofpresence
Well said. That's exactly how I think about it also.
Great perspectives. First pro 400h, then portra... now hp5 😪
It's getting brutal out here.
I started developing and scanning at home to combat this. Sure it's a bit of an initial investment but once you get that out of the way, the equipment is yours and it eventually pays for itself in saving lab costs. The entire process isn't that difficult either and I really appreciate the workflow. Not to mention, you can shoot a roll and develop it same day instead of waiting a week+ for the lab to turn that around.
The final nail for me to develop at home was actually USPS loosing my film not once, but twice.
I process my own films, easier to do a batch than one at a time. Scanning is a pain that never goes away.
Developing is easy, scanning is boring, first 40 rolls are OK then you start to hate it.
Yup, I do my scanning with a Canon R5 and a macro lens. I scan a roll in about 10 min.
It definitely depends on the volume one shoots at. I really only have a couple rolls a month so it’s not really an issue.
Regardless of the scanning process, you don’t find film too expensive? I feel like I’m buying a single vans shoe everytime I got one roll
It's hard to get a consistent look shooting hybrid. The digital stuff looks fine, as does the film, but they clash as a single body of work.
Exacty beautifuly said
criss oui!
Some perspective from the "Shoot on film" guy: th-cam.com/video/71tfusIGFGE/w-d-xo.html
A guy with a Leica and Airpods Max says film is expensive 😅
Yes
Bruce Gilden in the background at 8:06 :D
wtf is that really jim
I have been shooting film as the only medium for almost 2 years now, except the odd iPhone photo. That being said, given the cost of film, I actually recently picked up an X-T5, and it pairs well with my xf18mm f2. Really love the quality and depth the images have with the latest sensor; it helps me feel like I’m not missing out when I’m shooting digital, even though the experience of shooting the Leica is way more fun. I’d rather have the photo than not, at the end of the day, and the medium is only part of the whole picture (pun intended).
Over the last 4 years film became a fad for "hipsters." Hipsters being the people my dad used to say if someone told them it was cool to eat shat out of a hat, tomorrow morning they'd be the first ones in line at the hat store. Same people who got in line to punch holes in their bodies and stick in some chrome or have someone paint some permanent stupid design on their skin with ugly green ink. And these fadsters have attention spans of 5 or 6 years at most. See the cigar fad, the harley fad, the spiked hair fad, the suspender fad, the martini fad. They drove the prices of film cameras off the chart fhe last few years and so increased the demand for film it's cost soared as well. Now, as their attention span wains and they moved to the next shat out of a hat fad, they will flood the market with their film cameras and hopefully prices of camera and film will come down. What I also noted was many thought if it was shot on film it was automatically going to be art. No, it was just more meaningless, crap photos but captured on film not a sensor. As someone in a dark room in 1960, I found the whole fad amusing but it is dying. Do I use film? I have 9 rolls in progress across 4 formats, develop and scan my own. After over 60 years of film photography, I think I will keep at it for the rest of my life.
One thing that has made me move from digital to film is photo archive, I’ve have film negatives I shot back 20+ years ago which i rescanned and very happy to have the photos still, As soon as digital come out I brought a Casio exlim all because of cost and ease of storing and seeing images instantly. But after years of shooting digital I don’t have that older digital archive because of hard drive failure and mishap deletions.
So if you want to store you digital images safely be warned save the files in multiple drives and cloud locations, which also adds another cost to digital and the initial camera cost outlay.
The cost of film has alway been expensive even in the late 90’s for me young and on a low wage. So I’m happy now to shoot film and develop and scan with my digital equipment.
It’s fun but also requires space to develop which not everyone has.
Film has always been expensive, nothing new. Today, film photography is just a fashion, and fashion has a cost.
I always saw film like a toxic relationship , it's expensive , time consuming but you keep coming back for those 'vibes'
And yeah speaking about toxic i don't think we talk enough about the environmental impact , i really love to see some serious studdy comparing film with digital from this angle
I love the time consuming part of developing and scanning (and printing). That's such a good part of the medium (for some).
It's a really sad situation and it sucks that people that really want to shoot colour are feeling like they're either forced to swap to black and white or switch over to digital. There's clearly a demand for film, so why can't someone produce a cheap colour film and cheaper development techniques? Surely we have the technology.
It's much harder to make color film than black and white. It's extremely expensive and requires specialized equipment and chemicals that are difficult to source. There's a reason Kodak has been making the vast majority of the world's color film for the better part of the last century. They have all the equipment, can source the materials, and have had time to refine and perfect their processes.
Because it's outdated and niche and dominated by 1 company. Anyone with resources to do that would probably be spending that money on making better digital photos if they want to make money in the photo space.
The only way I can justify working with film still is my ability to dev+scan myself at home with my own equipment. I think if you're a film photog and don't do any of the post processing yourself and pay to send it all to labs, you're fighting a losing battle financially. Especially if you don't get paid to photograph, or its not your primary source of income. I imagine many, many people are not in that posistion.
I shoot film as a hobby and you’re so right, I got 3 color rolls developed and scanned and it was a total of 40 dollars. I just bought one of those develop tanks and a ilford b&w dev kit but I’m afraid to ruin my b&w rolls cause I have no idea what’s in there lmao. I still need to grab a few more tools before I get started tho
@@antoniogrijalva2038 shoot a sacrificial black and white test roll to learn development with. Developing your own black and white is really easy once you know what to do
How does the group manual focus fast enough for street?
Sony A7C + adapted Leica mount. Super small body (same as Leica), full frame, full manual experience. With my editing style, even artists can't tell my stuff from film. Best of all worlds.
Such a bold claim; is there a reference to back it up?
@@mi4936 You can scour the internet, forums, look at charts and sample images like I did. A physics background wouldn't hurt either.
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I can relate, my A7CII with voightlander, is really small and offers way more flexibility than film. I don`t try to emulate a film look, because my clients think it`s old fashioned and outdated. Film is just trying to be cool, emphasis on trying.
@@mi4936 Just look around you, film has no place anymore. It`s for hipsters and wannabee`s a serious photographer doesn`t even think about film.
Love shooting film. Also Im in my 50's so love the process so the relationship is still strong. If you love the process of photograping and tinkering and having something physically tangible and archival then keep shooting film. Digital is awesome for quantity shooting computer editing. Still do it. No longer pro but if film is what your clients want or the look you have to produce then keep shooting film.
I consider most film shooters these days financially illiterate “artists”. I say most because there’s a few(really few) film photographers that their investment make sense but everyone else is just flushing money for no photos
When I compare film and digital prices, I think about how many "rolls" I have to develop with the digital camera before it starts to pay for itself. Let's assume someone has an inexpensive analog camera and shoots color negative. They'll have to shoot hundreds of rolls before they've hit the cost of a digital Leica M. They'll only have to shoot maybe 50ish rolls before they hit the cost of a Fuji X100.
As for me personally, I was mostly shooting film up until the dark times. And I did slow down mostly because of the price and hassle. I've stopped buying more stock, and I'm saving the film I still have in the fridge for the special occasions. I've also lost a roll or two to malfunctions just like 5innyc. That really discourages me from using it more, especially when the digital cameras I have are so good.
It's a situation much like the Seinfeld sponge episode. Is this shoot going to be sponge/film-worthy?
If and when the film in the fridge runs out, I might only shoot film again if it's black & white and I develop it inexpensively at home.
Moral of the story: dont spend all your money on the camera 😂
Love people with 5k gear talking about how film at 10$ is too much lol
I'm baller and shoot Polaroid.
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My passion for film is not about cost. It is my food and my drink. Just because food prices go up does that mean i do not eat. No it just means I sacrifice other things so that I can eat. Things always level out in the end, just gotta hang in there and love your passion. #shootfilmstaybroke .Amen.
I grew up shooting film, mainly B&W, which I printed myself. However, since the arrival of digital, I personally don't see the need for film. With all the software available these days, the end results produced are as good as any film can deliver (IMO). I think film photography is a bit like owing a classic car; it's expensive, needs more T & C and it's slow. One for the diehard traditionalists (which by the way I think is great)
Man your videos are stepping up a notch. That intro was dope! But I’m shooting b&w regularly and treating myself to some color when I have compositions planned out. Plus I have a cheap lab that’s local which really helps.
I've been almost fully analog for years, and luckily I still have a freezer full of color film. I'll admit that it's a bit expired, but it still works so I'll be doing color until I run out. Then, I'll most probably go back to B&W, though I recently got an old digital Olympus Pen for which I have batteries in the mail. So we'll see. Last time I was at the camera store and I saw the price of Portra, I must admit that I almost cried.
Best recommendation to everyone thinking of buying Ricoh Gr. Don’t buy it! You could just as well use a iPhone. If you want a pocket type of camera with great colors and depth go for the Leica CL/TL2 with the TL 18mm or TL 23mm or adapt your analog lens to it.
My current relationship with film is through watching your videos… The last roll of film I shot was in 1992. 😊
When did you start shooting digital and with what? Thanks, Van
@@Van-Wolff Canon 10D in 2003
Using analog or digital is not important, the most important thing is to keep shooting and keep working.
I find it funny seeing people with digital leicas complaining about film prices lol. The film v digital debate is purely about choice because if you want a "film look," you can get it either way. Film is a personal choice. It requires a big commitment. That being said, by just learning to develop at home you can save $100s.
that argument doesnt really make sense, the digital leicas dont get used up and therefore are far cheaper to sustain after the initial investment. And sure you can save some money by self deving but hundreds? how much is a roll of c41 to self dev? I pay 3,50€ for processing, I doubt its that much cheaper
Yeah that cracks me up too. "Film prices are insane so I bought an m10" 💀 but at the same time I'm sure people who shoot street like these guys blow through rolls quick, so that cost of film would catch up to the leica very quickly
@@magicwaffl3z Im the third guy in the vid, just wanted to chime in. Don’t really care for the look of digital vs film all that much. I sold my m240 and m7 in 2023 for more than i paid for them in 2015. I got the m10 as its value was close to what the previous 2 sold for combined and would retain value. All my nikon, canon, and panasonic gear depreciated way faster. Basically I see it as renting as I eventually sell for close to if not equal to original price I paid. As far as shooting rolls, the people who shoot more freely will do like 3-4 rolls a day which adds up especially in color
Well, my comment is mostly about the irony of someone complaining about prices in one instance, yet at the same time holding a luxury camera in their hands which most likely costs $5,000 +. But, if you're going to make the argument of money over time, I would wager it will take quit a while to rack up the cost of film and developing, regardless if you home develop or not, to equate to $5,000. Also, for argument's sake, a film leica probably retains its value (or increases) over time whereas a digital leica decreases, i.e. "digital rot." Tho, YMMV@@TheChosenOne_
True, YMMV. Still, it's ironic@@magicwaffl3z
I was in the city sunday filming for my channel but i was pressed for time so i brought my tg5, it was nice to just be able to fire off a ton of random shots i may have hesitated on with film.
For me it’s just a hobby for pleasure, being 58 I’m a bit of a relic. I was young when 60s and 70s cameras were new, so I can remember those around me using them every day. Watching them go through the process of light meter, shutter speed and aperture moving around for the best aspect held a certain sort of wonder and magic for me. Those things left an indelible imprint on my memory. All those like, Ansel Adams, Steve Mc Curry, Vivian Maier, Henri Cartier-Bresson, they all used film.
I think Film has a parallel with vintage cars, and wooden boats, it’s all about the history and the experience of the feeling of living in the past, it’s the only way you can have the sense of experiencing what they did. Cost wise it’s like throwing money down the drain, but using them gives you an experience that is priceless.
I have a Spotmatic, it was once described as the Volkswagen of cameras, a design icon affordable to the masses, I have a love of vintage VWs owning a 56 oval, so the Spotmatic was an easy choice.
Own them love them and enjoy them at will, they are history that you can use.
I split my street shooting about 50% GR and 50% Leica M2, and increasingly I think that film just doesn't make sense for street. Street requires you to take an absolute shit ton of images, and that's just much harder to do when you're also worrying about film costs, or even just running out of the film you brought with you that day.
I started to shoot film again when my twins comes to the world in 2017, Around 2019 I started to shoot more, mostly for family situations, but for street too. During the pandemic I shooted a lot... but now I am enjoying digital more. Using olds digital nikons. I will continue using film but more time to time. Of course I am not using as a professional. But I suppose that this trendy is arriving to the sames conclusions that 20 years ago happened with the whole world. Great Video Paulie!!!
I have been shooting film since 1977 in 2022 I purchased my first digital camera and hardly even touch my 35mm at all now.
My local lab has colorplus at 18 bucks a roll. Thats when i knew id be picking up my film camera less. I used to be able to buy a brick of ten for 40 bucks 😢 and even the price of developing and scanning is exorbitant. Its rough on my wallet. But i still really enjoy shooting film when i feel like i can afford it. Lol
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Colorplus for 18 a roll?! Man, I haven't bought film for a few years but that's ridiculous. I stopped shooting and developing film because of the cost a couple years ago, I just shoot on my 13 yo old digital camera and edit in free software, reoccurring costs is whatever it is to charge the batteries lol. Once you learn to edit in the characteristics and color you like from certain film stocks the desire for film goes away for me.
It's 9.99 per roll @@ledheavy26
paulie psyop to force kodak to bring prices down
I’m using film as long as I can afford it. Another issue is the cost of developing, which is also becoming more costly and harder to find supplies. It’s why I try to space out developing and using a digital camera when I run out of rolls. Eventually, we won’t have enough resources available to even make film so we’ll have to make due with what we have.
I love everything you said about the Flow State, and using digital to get into the Flow and then transition to shooting film is fantastic. I think I’m gonna start with my Leica X1 or Ricoh GR Digital and then move to one of my film cameras to keep the Flow going. Appreciate you making this vid, Paulie!
That was cool. That's exactly what my plan is.
What's with these photographers and not giving you a pound back? Damn man. 👊
I used to shoot with my Pentax MV thinking what I was doing was cool. To me there is mostly the nostalgic value. It's as cool as watching VHS movies and rewinding the cassettes in 2023. Sure it does slow you down and makes you think more about what you shoot, but nobody is forcing you to shoot more then 50 photos a day with a digital.
I started scanning my own film a couple of months ago and recently started developing my own film. i'm lucky i have space in my basement where i can develop and scan so its not an issue for me so technically i'm shooting more than i ever have. I mostly shoot black and white film so in terms of price i'm not really affected by it because price for black and white hasn't gone up much recently. When i shoot colour i shoot mostly expired film or film i get for cheap on fb marketplace so yeah. More life to film!
I shoot bulk rolled 35mm black n white and process at home (rodinal one shot or Xtol replenished). Finding time to scan isn’t always easy but the cost is not much. £3 a roll plus £1 to develop and plenty of creative control.
I only shot film back in highscool. I love my GX85 :)
i regret every day for selling it... certaintly a lovely camera to use
I really can't understand shooting film these days. Quality wise, film comes nowhere near digital. And to me, image quality is (almost) everything. Film is a very expensive way to go, messy, and time consuming. And of course the chemicals used are just horrible pollutants.
On my memory card, 128gb, using my D610 shooting RAW, I get 2500 images, or just shooting (Highest quality) JPEG i can get 8000 ! Can you imagine the cost doing that in film !! Ok, i dont use all the images by far, but it does enable me to reshoot a scene many times if i am not happy with it.
What about post processing ? No, you can keep film, the format is well past its sell by date.
my current relationship with film is 16mm. im in it hard, im in it deep, im in it cheap. kodak vision and tri-X with minolta 16p
Cartier bresson shot around 15,000 rolls of film in his entire career at Magnum ( they were numbered for easy access in the archive ). He missed an awful lot of shots and captured a load of others. There was no other choice back then. Perhaps he would have shot digital if he was starting out now - however I still think maybe he would have only shot 15,000 rolls worth of material and maybe had the same success rate? His bank balance would have been only slightly better off in the early stages of his digital journey ( have you seen the price of a Leica M11?) but eventually that would have paid for itself. The lenses would fit on any of his subsequent cameras. Digital has reached it's high point now so it makes sense to shoot with it. The quality is great and cannot really get any better. The cameras are great too - in all different shapes an sizes too. Having said all of this - I shoot street photos in London on a Plaubel Makina 670 and W67 and limit myself to 20 photos on each trip out. I know what I want so I don't waste time shooting what I don't. I love not knowing if I got the shot. I love to trust to the pure chance of not getting the shot rather than hosing down a scene which anyone can do. What is the point of that ultimately? If I was young I would buy the cheapest and best digital camera out there and go and make a zillion mistakes. As I'm old I can wander aimlessly and let a thousand pictures go as I know none of them is really going to fundamentally matter that much to nearly everyone on the planet except me.
If you shoot B&W, buy 100' rolls and bulk load, and develop yourself, it's not much more expensive the it was 30 years ago... For me it's seems strange to see everyone shooting with Leicas and complaining about the cost of film! You could get a great film camera (with a nice lens) for less than $300, and put the savings towards film. Oh, film is expensive, so I'll get a Leica M10P and a Lux, and save money on the looong run 😉
Here in Canada I just noticed a roll of Portra 800 is $38.99. Last year I got it for 23.99. I mostly shoot with my Ricoh GRiii now. Love love love that camera!
Good to know the GRIII is in good hands! Haha! Sold that GRIII to Dustin a few months back.
I've been shooting film for almost 10 years now, recently went up to medium format just before the prices raise, so yeah.. i love film, love the lab work, love everything about it, but i feel kind of held by it as well, as if i had a digital camera to just snap away without having to put the money and time to see the images would help me to evolve my craft... so, ve been flirting with getting a digital. Awesome video man, great format!
It’s an interesting topic, I learnt on film when I did photography at college and I learnt to develop my film. I have been shooting digital for years now, I personally think it comes down to the person or work you are trying to capture. You will always have people discussing film of digital or what camera you use, it honestly doesn’t matter in my opinion as long as you actually enjoy what you are doing.
Do you think that film will become obsolete soon?
Personally, I think film is already obsolete. The biggest sign is very few working pros shoot film for paid client work (maybe if client also loves that look and will pay for it?) But many obsolete things are also beautiful and people love them: horse-drawn carriages, mechanical watches, vinyl records, 1967 Ford Mustang, etc.
In Australia it’s ridiculous, $45 a roll of 35mm Ektachrome, and it’s not even that great a film.
Film is for the few. Real shame too! I have about 13 assorted rolls in my inventory right now and I am so hesitant to shoot it. It's honestly stressful because there is so much riding on each shot. I live in Rochester, NY too where Kodak started. A Kodak camera was in pretty much every home around here back in the day. I feel like George Eastman would be rolling in his grave if he saw these prices!
I love the waiting that using film requires. I love looking at negatives, much more than a computer screen. I love what bw film looks like (as scans, digital and analogue prints). I love the surprise of seeing what is on negs and I love making a photo and then not checking the image right away. I feel this keeps me more present.
I don't even own a digital camera. If I can't afford to shoot film, I will just do less photography. I get no satisfaction from digital. Not even a little bit. The prices aren't a problem for me so far.
Digital gear is so damn expensive though. It is not like you shoot digital for free. You could buy a lot of film for a price of a one modern lens.
Kinda crazy how many people are out there shooting street on film with Leicas. Is it a fad or is it a way of life? i shoot some color film here and there and B&W most often due to price and having to get C41 developed by labs. All scanning done at home otherwise it would be out of my league.
I was shooting film in the 90’s when a roll of film was £1.50 for a roll of Kodak VR film. I kept all my film cameras in case one day film would make a come back. It did. I shoot Nikon FM2N and May favourite Minolta XD7. Love that camera. I shoot Leica Q and Fujifilm X100T and F. I’m definitely a hybrid shooter. Luckily though I work at a Fujifilm UK so get to print and scan my own work. I just hope Kodak keep going as Portra and Kodak Gold are my go to film stocks. Prices here are about £23.00 a roll. I can get it for £9.00 a roll. I used to shoot weddings on film back in the day. Love your channel.
I thought it was expensive 10 years ago with portra 400 at $6 a roll… cannot believe people are still shooting it. Stopped shooting when Fuji stopped producing neopan. That said, still appreciate its beauty and process and the people keeping it alive.
Man I cant afford film and does the viewer really care?
Its like the digital vs analog debate with music making.
But use what you got what works for each individual.
Like WTF ? I just discovered this channel. I'm a San Francisco based photographer and this genre and style got so damn dangerous and confrontational that my generation of photographers have abandoned it. I saw on another video of yours some dudes on Capp Street. Good to see. But man what's going on in NYC is like SF in the 1990s! Fantastic!!!! As far as film? Nah ! LOL. It's all about making prints not gear/film.
Shoot digital. Edit in LR. Display on social media. Make gallery quality prints on Epson 3880. All on the same day and pretty darn cheap. Create images folks. Sounds harsh but stop playing with your paint brushes people.
20:24 me too Sean.
There is no valid reason for me to shoot film anymore. Digital is so much better technically and without all the hassle. With today's digital camera's you can achieve 95% of the "film look" if that is what you are after. To me film photography is more concerning the process. But, It's the end result that counts. I'd rather have a great digital photo than glorify a mediocre film photo. Film is not dead yet but it is slowy dying. With these price increases only a fool will still buy in 5 years from now. Good luck with a $25 roll of Portra 400.
Mamija 4 lol
Great video Pauline, some interesting comments from the guys. This format you are using rocks, love the way you get out of the way when guys are answering or thinking about their replies.🙏🇦🇺🇬🇧😎Max.
I still use film as the initial price of the camera is a lot less, so you don't have to worry about it as much. You can pick up a fairly decent camera with some nice old soviet lens for around £300, as long as you dont mind going fully manual. I feel a lot more comfortable bringing that style of camera to a festival/ event where it might get messed up or stolen, than I do a £1k+ digital equivalent
Do you think the film is expensive? Try to buy here in Brazil 😢.
Hey Paulie ! You have to get a leica m digital to be free 😊(especially the m10D, a real beauty). The experience between the ricoh and a body with a viewfinder is not the same...
If u want film, get the old DLSRs. They’re cheaper and looks more like film than digital
Why so many prefer CCD sensors over CMOS when using digital.
Does everyone in NYC own a Leica? 🤣
Yes
I've recently been experimenting with digital cameras but not because i don't love film or because the film is expensive but instead because It's currently costing me about £30 to get it developed, i have heard of cheaper places though so I'll give one of those companies a try next time i need some film developed.
Develop your own film.
Tube socks are making a comeback? That was my thing back in the early 80's. 😂
I've only recently started with film, bought a Ricoh 500g rangefinder a few weeks ago. It's more a tool to improve my digital rather than a main focus, to slow me down and get my eye in. I've literally only gone through rolls, 3x Ilford HP5 and 1x Porta 400 and have another 3x hp5 to use. I'll see where I am after that.
Coming up on a year of shooting street photography and have only done digital so far with the exception of polaroids. Film has always been interesting and I love the look of the photos that film produces. But over time I've come to realize that the sort of minute details of how a photo looks has nothing to do with what makes a photo memorable for me. I think because my background is in engineering, I highly value the freedom that digital photography allows for when shooting (especially when experimenting with different settings) and I think with film I'd spend waaaaaay too much time and energy thinking about whether the photo I'm about to take is "worth it."
I've had my g2 on ice for about three years now. Unless someone is paying me to shoot on film I'm on that full framed digital lifer.
I'll always shoot film as that was how I started off in photography back in the 90s. I tend to keep it back for projects now and shoot digital the rest of the time. That works for me.
Just do what you what you enjoy and dont worry about everyone else
Seems so many people want to be cool / retro to shoot film..
I grew up through it constantly costing too much, even decades ago.
I then held off on digital as the SLR's were too expensive early on..
I was using a Canon Eos5, ( film camera with eye focus) and a 5D was well out of my price range back then, so I had to start with an early cropped sensor model.
I really didn't like it and lost the fire to shoot for a while..
But now...
Now you can get great digital cameras for good prices, I'm glad to never have to return to film again..
I did love Fuji 35mm slide film back in the day,
And occasionally wonder about getting a little Fujifilm digital.
Yes all the old masters shot film...
But how many of them would be shooting film if they were photographers today?
This 100%. It’s hipster drivel. And this is coming from someone that still shoots film and just fulfilled a 25-year dream of having my own darkroom. But for most of the younger generation, as I said, most of them are just hipsters thinking film intrinsically gives their images more credence. At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is the image and whatever brings you joy.
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I do get the whole darkroom thing.
I can see that being an attraction, but never did it myself..
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It's sad that so many think that if they use Leica's, their photos will be amazing..
It's not the camera, it's the person behind it that mostly creates the shot.
Someone saying "Wow that camera takes amazing photos", is like saying to someone "Wow that keyboard writes amazing stories."
I guess they'd be using typewriters though...
Isn't there a market for film now. Why not disrupt the current players.
Home developing and bulk loading Kodak 250D is the last leg for me
Do you get clean negatives developing 250d yourself? My local lab (still) seems to struggle with it and I'm considering doing it myself.
@willemdirks1543 after the Blix step I hang the film and wipe the remjet off with a wet microfiber cloth and get clean negatives. Therealsirrobin has a great video on this going into how he develops Kodak vision 3.
@@magicwaffl3z Might have seen that one but will should check it out again, thank you!
But use film as professional Photographers for work or hobby??
Boris has the right idea