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  • @parkermillican
    @parkermillican 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1167

    Im considering going back to painting at this point tbh

    • @tompoynton
      @tompoynton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      cave painting for me

    • @flyingskier1913
      @flyingskier1913 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Petroglyphs are really the most authentic way of recording the world

    • @ownvideofootage
      @ownvideofootage 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      😂

    • @TrippEatsPaper
      @TrippEatsPaper 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      i've gone all the way back to just calligraphy and just thinking about places now

    • @ArchiesLens
      @ArchiesLens 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol

  • @CaptainPsychopath69
    @CaptainPsychopath69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

    Film wins because you can eat it

    • @LaskyLabs
      @LaskyLabs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Please do not the film.

    • @kerc
      @kerc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Before or after developing?

    • @williamlasl
      @williamlasl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That’s an expensive snack.

    • @aj_lfod
      @aj_lfod 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Swallowing an SD card hurts on both ends.

  • @goatman7362
    @goatman7362 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    When I shoot digital, I feel the urge and the need to make the final image as perfect as possible. When I shoot film, I hope each of my images is imperfect in its own little way

    • @STRAlGHTxEDGE
      @STRAlGHTxEDGE 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Indeed. Digitally I'm always pushing myself beyond my limit while film is 'letting go' for me which is very therapeutic and refreshing.

  • @joshuarothman
    @joshuarothman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +433

    I used to think this objective vs. subjective thing was true. But when I look back at my own old photos, it doesn't matter what medium I used. Time passes, and it makes every photo mysterious and subjective. I think film is just a way of creating that mystery a little bit sooner.

    • @thomasni123
      @thomasni123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      this is the most based take

    • @dontpanic5278
      @dontpanic5278 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah I don't think it's as binary as subjective VS objective, but for the reasons stated I think film can be far more ambiguous. This might simply make it _more_ subjective.

    • @caleidoo
      @caleidoo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Yeah, his subjective/objective take makes little sense in today's age. People used film to clinically document things before we had digital. It doesn't magically make every shot artsy. People documented sport with film cameras too. On the other spectrum, people now obviously manipulate and color grade digital photos creatively. Tadaa: an interpretation. Who uses or posts JPEG's straight of the camera (or smartphone)?). This subjective/objective statement is too simplistic and doesn't work half of the time. So it's obsolete.
      Also, the "you create memories with film" part is a entirely a social construct: it's because people in around their thirties or older only have photos of themselves (and their parents) on film. Really young people probably like film because it looks like "a better version of the Instagram filter they used". They shoot film because they saw TH-camr do it. Which is fine, but it shows your reference frame shifts, depending on what generation you are.
      I don't have any problem with either medium. I enjoy both. Just one medium is used professionally by me - some part of me would love to capture a wedding or photo session only on film, but old camera reliability and the cost/work flow keep bringing me back to a "no". I own a bunch of film cameras in all formats, cheap and a lot less cheap. But I just like to use it because I like the colours and how it resembles a time that has passed. Sometimes i just like the design of camera. I don't deny the nostalgia factor, I don't add deeper meanings to it nor pretend my photo shot on film is better than the same thing shot digitally.
      That said, I can however get slightly annoyed by people putting film on pedestal - especially if the photos they share to support that statement are mediocre (or the same old gas station), regardless what medium. In the end it's always the same: only the image counts. Not the tool, not the person.

    • @Humungojerry
      @Humungojerry 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it’s a good way to think about it but it’s not literally true

    • @Humungojerry
      @Humungojerry 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@caleidoogood post. the other thing about film is a lot of people got into it after using smartphone cameras, and preferred the look. also the possibly dirty secret is the look isn’t entirely baked in, there are decisions made by the person doing the scanning (usually a lab) which are subjective and improve the look of the image. a lot of people prefer that unsurprisingly to unedited digital photos, perhaps because they don’t know how to edit

  • @us249
    @us249 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    glad that ryan gosling can give me a breakdown about camera mediums

  • @pers4855
    @pers4855 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    "just don't hate on the other one" powerful quote right there

    • @williamlasl
      @williamlasl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And immediately ignored 😂

    • @pers4855
      @pers4855 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williamlasl they both belong man just have fun with whatever medium you choose

    • @williamlasl
      @williamlasl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@pers4855I’m agreeing, but just saying the wisdom of the point seems lost on a lot people who proceed to argue over which is better in the comments.

  • @tuca3537
    @tuca3537 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Anyone that’s upset at film making a comeback just hasn’t yet heard the sound of a Hassie shutter slap

    • @thegraffboy123
      @thegraffboy123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not everyone got Hassie money bud

    • @tuca3537
      @tuca3537 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@thegraffboy123 Lol, that’s ok! There’s a lot of amazing cameras with great shutter sounds that cost a fraction

    • @corneliusdobeneck4081
      @corneliusdobeneck4081 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pretty arrogant thing to say, almost disgusting.

    • @derrickzanni1762
      @derrickzanni1762 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really do like the shutter sound of my minolta x-370. Sounds almost like a clap lol

    • @sophustranquillitastv4468
      @sophustranquillitastv4468 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My Canon A-1 shutter sound very melodic.

  • @SecondThought
    @SecondThought 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +205

    Banger as always. I do all my “work” on digital, but I don’t ever feel inspired to shoot my non-work stuff on digital. There’s something to be said for the delayed gratification of seeing whether you got the shot you intended when shooting on film. That and just the vibes are 👨🏻‍🍳👌

    • @zenderzagato8174
      @zenderzagato8174 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Ayo wtf. Love your content.

    • @Kevin_Kim13
      @Kevin_Kim13 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      SecondThought's here!

    • @slo369
      @slo369 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I wish bro 😢 film is like 20 bucks which is like a thousand pesos(some people don’t even make this in a week) where I’m at

    • @miracleyacht__1538
      @miracleyacht__1538 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      nationalize Kodak!!

    • @filiplipkowski4963
      @filiplipkowski4963 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@slo369I recommend to try to find sellers which are selling bulk loaded film. Some people just buy for example 30 meters roll of film, they making their own for example 36 frames rolls, packing these into old cassetes and selling. These costs like 1/2 or even 1/3 of new packed,single cassete price. You can try to do this on your own. Of course that's an investment but in the long run it's much cheaper. Cheers ❤

  • @GastonShutters
    @GastonShutters 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I recently starred shooting film again after 20 years. And I have to say that I’ve never been more excited about my photos. The suspense of waiting for development and scans makes you think 10 times before firing the shutter.
    Something that with digital doesn’t happen because we are more prone to be trigger happy.
    Exploring the different film stock is really exciting. In the end I find that most of us try to emulate in digital what film photography provides right out of the box: grain, color grading, etc.

  • @thedoge7382
    @thedoge7382 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    honestly I agree with every point here; I originally learned to shoot and develop film, but I shoot digital because I can't afford to shoot film. I love shooting digital like film - thinking and framing before I shoot - then recreating the film look in lightroom. some people will hate this, but it's a digital homage to film.

    • @ChristopherBletzinger
      @ChristopherBletzinger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same here!! I love using old DSLRs like film. The screens are so bad on them that you still get that anticipation of seeing the photos in their fully glory when you get home. With the added benefit of checking the exposure if you need or changing the ISO on the fly.

    • @sarahneedham
      @sarahneedham 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree with this. I first got into SLR photography in the 80's so of course used film. Stayed using film until I broke my camera back in 2012 so switched to digital. I carried on taking shots like I used to with film though. Thinking about every composition and not wanting to just waste shots (even though it was essentially free). If I had to alter in post via cropping or levelling it, I felt I had somehow failed lol. Now I have also bought an old SLR film body to use along side my DSLR.

  • @chadolson5537
    @chadolson5537 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    I use both mediums and they're both great. Typically if I want to shoot wildlife I use digital, if I want to be artistic or document things I shoot film. I think more people need to explore the art world more and find ways to express themselves without war or violence.

  • @mastaw
    @mastaw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The IMDb flex tho

  • @jahosaphat
    @jahosaphat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Shooting with intention an reveling in whatever comes out. Film is like a surprise when you see it.

  • @h2xhypocriet
    @h2xhypocriet 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jason, that is a fantastic explanation why I love film and why both film and digital have a reason to be around. Great video 👍🏻

  • @loganturnermedia
    @loganturnermedia 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Theory, people are saying film is trash to make film affordable again.

    • @MossPalone
      @MossPalone 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Shhhhhh. Don't expose us!

  • @bekensdwarf8068
    @bekensdwarf8068 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Learning film photography has made me a significantly better digital photographer. Shooting film made me fall in love with the physical process of taking photos. The way it forces you to be intentional about your shot and visualize what you want out of a photo before you take it. This has helped me cut down on over shooting a scene, getting more variety in my shots, and how to shoot a better image so I don’t have to go ham on fixing it in post. I wish I could shoot more film but it’s just so expensive that i have to supplement with digital. Which makes me curious about videos like these. With the rising cost of film and development I wonder if film photographers will be able to use their subjective approach to photography and circumvent a lot of the “objective” nature of digital. Kind of like how each of your videos ties in the vibe of your photoshoot i.e changing the aspect ratio, sound design, and color grading. Anyway, slightly pretentious comment finished. I love your channel it is great source of inspiration and it is very well done. Thanks for all your hard work

  • @aviee2046
    @aviee2046 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    20 minutes ago I bought Revueflex SD1, 50mm lens and Kodak ProImage 100 roll, and i think it's cool, photography is cool

  • @saltycherrypie6918
    @saltycherrypie6918 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I do agree with a lot of things mentionned in the video but on the subject of wildlife photography I think you missed the point a bit.
    I think a good wildlife photographer doesn’t just try to snap the rarest animal and keep the image true to life. There is a ton of story telling to be done with composition, light etc. The best wildlife pictures I’ve seen are not the sharpest, they are the ones where you can feel the photo and the emotion the animal give off.

    • @Mqstodon
      @Mqstodon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@phillipbanes5484bro what's your deal? Chill out under ever comment

  • @analog_cafe
    @analog_cafe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Congrats on the cake, Jason! 🎂
    I also like product photography on film; I use a half-frame PEN FV to do all that.

  • @RealSebus
    @RealSebus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I didn't know that Jason also had an acting career. Who would have thought that his physical stiffness would let him get into the role?

    • @TimothyTBC
      @TimothyTBC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He does visual effects

    • @RealSebus
      @RealSebus 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@TimothyTBC one doesn't exclude another

    • @TimothyTBC
      @TimothyTBC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RealSebus true, but he has only acted on one short film

    • @robingoergner725
      @robingoergner725 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Dude was great in the Barbie movie!

    • @ironmonkey1512
      @ironmonkey1512 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually the entire video was done by his stunt double.

  • @camerachica73
    @camerachica73 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Exactly, very well put - I use both, digital for photographing factual representation of the subject and film where I'm trying to convey a mood for travel, projects etc. Both are good for different reasons.

  • @retrodaniel28
    @retrodaniel28 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like film because i can take a bad photo believe it’s good then get my heart broken days after

  • @GameLikeYouMeanIt
    @GameLikeYouMeanIt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I shoot both. I'm new to film. I like not being able to see the image. When you finally get them back, it's like opening a present. Nothing quite like that feeling.

  • @nathanhattaway1616
    @nathanhattaway1616 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Both are amazing technologies. I shoot film for the process and organic texture renditions. I hope the analog process continues to resurge so we can continue having this choice.

  • @kenblair2538
    @kenblair2538 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Totally agree, Jason. The reason I started shooting with film , again, (previously shooting film since the 70's), after shooting digital for the last 20 years. I do bring a digital camera, for situations, that I may not be able to return. KB

  • @sidceaser
    @sidceaser 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Keep in mind, a lot of film shooters, either back in the day or currently, are "fixing it in post" when the get in the darkroom and dodge, burn and change their exposures onto paper. Preconception is awesome when either shooting film or digital, and the post production will always be there; either in front of a glowing screen or huffing development chemicals while dodging someones face onto paper.
    And don't even get me started on spot toning. :)

    • @GS-vb3zn
      @GS-vb3zn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You left out the cropping. Lots of adjusting with that enlarger to get just the right crop.

    • @mjfan653
      @mjfan653 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Even HC Bresson, the French dude who was famous for using leicas and printing the full frame, had a few cropped frames in his exhibitions.
      It’s all about fun, if taking yourself seriously is fun, do it, I myself find the bs’ings and “film is best” while scanning spiel funny…

    • @sidceaser
      @sidceaser 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@GS-vb3zn Heck yea! A photograph is a song for the eyes. Working on it to make it perfect is part of the alchemy of photography! :D

    • @sidceaser
      @sidceaser 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mjfan653 Photography is a language. And there are a bajillion ways to speak that language. Nothing is better. Nothing is worse. Whatever it is that helps YOU speak in your clearest visual voice are the tools you need. No matter what it is.
      Viva la Photography!

    • @sidceaser
      @sidceaser 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@phillipbanes5484 Photoshop offers endless possibilities, but there are a whole lot of methods that could be done in the darkroom too; from photograms to double or triple exposure prints and other trickery from people like Jerry Uelsmann; all kinds of awesome stuff. I'm sure it took longer in the darkroom to do, but that was the magic of it.
      I agree that some people can go way over the top in post processing, but they're allowed to do that. Everyone has a unique voice.
      I think lots of great stuff could be done in the darkroom, and it's just an evolution of what came before :)

  • @synthgreen5648
    @synthgreen5648 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video, I also came down to this conclusion myself, I shoot both film and digital, my Sony is for fast portraits or general full frames and better light recreation, while my Fuji is for artistic photos along with street photography, but my film is for anything that catches my eye for more than 10-30 seconds or significant memories I wanna keep. Keep it up, Jason.

  • @jjaazzee
    @jjaazzee 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. I loved the way you broke it down and how you ultimately leave it for everyone to decide what's best for them. That's the only healthy way to go about one's interest. Do whatever works for you and be happy, let others do the same.

  • @TravisHFitzgerald
    @TravisHFitzgerald 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Quit your job at disney and just start selling handmade film photography zines at coffee shops.

  • @martinkelly900
    @martinkelly900 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just love how your eyes match your backdrop, true professionalism!

  • @cslattfri
    @cslattfri 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I agree with you on all points. And i do think that being good at film photography will make you a better digital photographer due to the amount of forethought that goes into it. I started with black and white film in the early 90's and loved it. I have been shooting digital for about 10 years. I just dusted off my old Pentax k1000 and bought a few rolls of film. You have inspired me to get back into film photography again. I am new to your channel and love it.....

  • @MicaelWidell
    @MicaelWidell 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I really enjoyed this. Well put. You should do more "philosophical" videos like this one.

    • @mikejankowski6321
      @mikejankowski6321 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Frankly, I see philosophical components in just about all of Jason's posts. That is one of the charms of watching them.

  • @timbotopher
    @timbotopher 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude! I'm watching your videos for years know and I can truely confirm: Your production value is on a different level by now 🎉🎉 absolute banger of a video!

  • @Brando256
    @Brando256 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Literally the best "Film vs Digital" video on TH-cam! Outstanding take on this whole film vs digital war. Can't we all just get along. Thanks so much for this.

  • @zerg_burger
    @zerg_burger 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like developing film and making darkroom prints because i like having 0 free time

  • @DaftPanda1
    @DaftPanda1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For me, it's purely the feel of a film camera (the winding of the film reel, the snap of the shutter, and the clicking of the aperture reel), and the feeling that I'm giving something older and disused a new life.

  • @stephenlumsden280
    @stephenlumsden280 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good point about subjectivity. I do like using my one inch Panasonic's in low light or event or sport's, but I have a contax ii rangefinder and yashica TLRs which are much much enjoyable, keep me in the moment and would be prohibitively expensive in a digital version. I did give up film a while back but these days it's much easier to scan or get scanned and that makes it much easier

  • @razorthought4
    @razorthought4 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your videos , but this is one of my favorites , great explanation , and wonderfully executed and explained 👌🏽💯

  • @timgehrsitz3267
    @timgehrsitz3267 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've taken photos of compelling subjects on digital, and those photos still get blown out of the water by a picture of my coffee table on film. Metering correctly, carefully choosing your composition, your film stock, and having a decent lab is equivalent to 10 hours editing a single digital shot (including adding imperfections to give it more life). Except with editing I have 50 million decisions to make. Even editing my own scans, there's very little I have to do to get "a look", and though I can edit it further and do the same I'd do to digital, there's zero need to.

  • @STRAlGHTxEDGE
    @STRAlGHTxEDGE 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've definitely done more weird complicated artsy stuff digitally (in preproduction) than with an analog camera. Gells, lensfilters, movement long exposure, overexposing, reflective spray, all combined etc. While with film I let the film itself do the heavy lifting. It doesn't matter what you use, your intent will change how you use it.

  • @KNURKonesur
    @KNURKonesur 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably the best summary of the topic I've ever watched, thanks Justin!

  • @JulsOnline1
    @JulsOnline1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of great points in the video! I have shot film almost exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years now and one big pain point is the development process. It’s just not something that brings me joy. So often I get lazy and get it done in a lab (scanning too); it also got me thinking is this just digital with extra steps haha. I love the shooting process, the vintage camera tech, the look and feel, all of it. I’ve started to experiment lately and want to go more digital with an analog feel, if that makes sense. There is some great stuff out there like the Leica M10-D, a digital range finder that has no display.

  • @Cr3zyTom
    @Cr3zyTom 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im just starting out so shooting on raw and then editing to look like film is my current setup and im very happy with it. In the future ill probably get a film camera but thatll take time

  • @Reeceness
    @Reeceness 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think the argument is dumb, but many of the intentional limitations with film can be had on digital if you need that. Intentionality can exist in a digital workflow, you just have a lot more safety nets for later IF you need it. The physical qualities of film are unique, but many of those aspects can be replicated. Ultimately I think there’s a lot of commodifying and romanticizing the film workflow as though it’s makes your images better as long as there’s a monologue to go with the image (for some not all). I think we should just take the same attention and feedback we give to film stocks, and demand better sensors and color profiles. No this isn’t a replacement for film, but it could be a more sustainable option for a person torn between the two or film photographers who can’t afford to do film full time

    • @Reeceness
      @Reeceness 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also I appreciate both. I don’t have time to devote to film, but I intend to delve into it in the near future. Digital makes more sense for professionals and novices alike because the infrastructure is there for it. Film is being kept alive by avid fans that appreciate it like air cooled 911’s. I would like to see the two sides converge and see a demand for better photo focused digital AND film bodies being generated. Demand better craftsmanship, materials, and aesthetic.

    • @williamlasl
      @williamlasl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Fujifilm is doing a lot to fill the demand you’re talking about. I don’t want to get too conspiracy-minded, but investing in film simulation features and analog-type controls in their digital cameras while discontinuing film stocks seem like an effort to usher film photographers into their digital ecosystem.

  • @deltorophoto
    @deltorophoto 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved this. Really appreciated this aspect ration in 4k btw.

  • @gatsbye53
    @gatsbye53 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Both ❤

  • @ronwise3069
    @ronwise3069 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video, Jason. And I think you're spot on. I'm old and shot film for a good 27 years before switching to digital around 2005. Most of that time I had a darkroom, too. When I got into digital, I still shot like I was using film, even though pixels are basically free. I never understood the idea of standing on the shutter release and taking 20 images of the exact same thing. The most ironic thing in my personal experience is that I spent the whole time shooting film trying to minimize the grain I was getting but when I started shooting digital, it was too sterile. So I spent time and money emulating grain and putting that back into my digital images. FFS.

  • @liamkefford2574
    @liamkefford2574 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    I shoot digital for the cost per photo, I use a glimmerglass filter for everything to soften it up and remove how clinical digital looks. Im a messy creative so i also feel that digital is better for me because I can be more destructive but my image is still ok in the end. I also hate the lack of reliability of any film processing lab near me and anxiety means ill never post a roll of film

    • @kerc
      @kerc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Lens adapters might be something to explore. I have adapters for my Sony a6000 for MC/MD, M39, and M42. It opens a world of beautiful lenses with a lot of character. And I don't use fancy ones; the Neewer adapters work perfectly.

    • @KopfdesRiesen
      @KopfdesRiesen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had a film developed and printed and the studio FORGOR TO PRINT 4 NEGATIVES?? And they wanted 16€ for black and white man. I’m not sure if I ever want to give it another try honestly.

    • @coasttocoastphoto
      @coasttocoastphoto 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m into my 6th decade with a camera in my hands. What you said about finding the right lab was, and is, a major concern. I usually batch a few rolls and mail them cross country to get the results I want. It’s a game of finding competent and knowledgeable people who are dedicated to their craft.

    • @zainalshakarchi3074
      @zainalshakarchi3074 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@phillipbanes5484how so?

    • @thorstenjaspert9394
      @thorstenjaspert9394 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A friend of mine owns the Sony a7 Mark III. He told me that it is hypersharp. For landscapes it is cool, but not for portraits. In Lightroom he corrects clarity minus minus and sharps as low as possible. An ultra high resolution turns into a disadvantage. Therefore film has an advantage. The grain is the limit.😊

  • @yazzmatazz86
    @yazzmatazz86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been putting off scanning my film for so long. I have a dozen or more rolls dating back to December 2018. I plan on scanning them in the coming weeks and I can't wait to relive some of those captured memories.

  • @ONE35IVE
    @ONE35IVE 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use to be a hip hop producer which I think pointed me towards film. It was like sampling from vinyl vs sampling from a download.
    Both results are up to the skills of the artist but vinyl samples had its own characteristics and the workflow was fun.

  • @tjena
    @tjena 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice! How did you achieve the b-roll/ moving image look?

  • @jameslaumeyer4214
    @jameslaumeyer4214 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude, i was literally just thing about this today and it occurred to me that film is like thinking of the memory while digital is like looking out a window.

  • @Fran-sr1sb
    @Fran-sr1sb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    representing the half frame gang 😎

  • @MrDyfedjones
    @MrDyfedjones 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love it, I shoot both due to whatever image I want to make. No matter what you shoot just shoot

  • @matthewclaxton8023
    @matthewclaxton8023 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this style of video! Great way to get your points across

  • @zfisher
    @zfisher 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like what you said about film photographers trying to capture a feeling. I wasn't seriously considering film until I randomly saw a photo of the beach joe Greer posted on Twitter. It wasn't that great of a photo but I immediately felt like I knew that place, and had been there, and it reminded me of something. And I wanted to explore film so I could recreate that.

  • @jmm117kgb
    @jmm117kgb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I shot 30 rolls of 120 film with a FujiGW690ii during a train trip through europe this summer, and I did it because I personally think 6x9 produces sharper images than what I achieve with digital (at least what I have). I made that choice to obtain nice quality photos with nice colors rather than getting "feelings" images like you described. Although, I get why you said that and I agree with you on that idea. I just feel that there is also the possible avenue to choose film to obtain superior quality of images (And here I think of 6x9, 4x5, 8x10). These formats, to me, will always be superior (in quality and soul) to any digital format.

  • @bagnome
    @bagnome 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just like old processes because I'm weird.
    Learning and utilizing them, knowing that's how it was done once upon a time is what I enjoy.

  • @andydreadsbmx
    @andydreadsbmx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the example of the sailing across the sea or painting a painting.

  • @sambrockway4720
    @sambrockway4720 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Somehow you hit on an angle of this conversation that I have never heard, before--and I have wasted SO much time discussing film v. digital. Nicely done, and agreed on all points!

  • @bl4ckmagic34
    @bl4ckmagic34 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Curious to hear your thoughts expand into products like the Leica MD that try to blend the pre-production mentality with the digital convenience.

  • @TehWever
    @TehWever 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like Your mature and suprisingly serious approach to the topic so much that I almost didnt skip the ad.

  • @Ascendingtom
    @Ascendingtom 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    A feeling can be captured regardless of the medium. it doesn't matter if you shoot film or digital at the end of the day they are all tools. Tools used to capture the world in your minds perspective or from an idea. Its more about shooting things in a unique way or finding a medium that fits with the objective you trying to shoot
    Just shoot and use what you like and creates the work you want to create... But also be open minded and experiment

  • @mikejankowski6321
    @mikejankowski6321 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very well stated. Each is better at some things. Folks can choose what suits them best and that is a good thing.
    I like to think about engagement. You can fire away on digital and get a bunch of raw files that as you said can be significantly altered and distilled later, with no human engagement during the exposure. Film demands engagement. With limited images available on a roll, cropping at the risk of grain and mush, different response palettes, the cost as you pointed out, and so forth one MUST be engaged during setup, decision, and exposure. Indeed, I feel more alive and connected while I am looking through the viewfinder (with both mediums) precisely BECAUSE of the engagement with the process.

  • @holyjesus8603
    @holyjesus8603 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A good friend of mine is a artist-painter I never heared ihm talk about colors or brushes !
    Why I still keep using analog cameras is the way I take pictures with them,
    a Toyo View is different to a Pentax 67 or Hasselblad 500c or Pentax Spotmatic.
    Inbetween I love using my old M42 lenses with a Sony A7.………because I feel
    moving the focus on my object.

  • @tonyhalik5917
    @tonyhalik5917 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    BTW, what's the setup used to record grainydays videos?

  • @rahulsarit5679
    @rahulsarit5679 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I shoot both film and digital. Intention is a key part of my process. For example, for wildlife and birds, I will definitely go for digital since you know you have more chances to capture things that are rare or difficult to access - I need faster ISOs and burst speeds.
    But I shoot most things on film because I believe that by limiting the number of shots per roll of film, I tend to value my compositions more. I work scenes harder and I take more time to assess different elements before taking the shot. Analogue forces me to think about light, film stocks, colours (or lack thereof) and composition. I am definitely more discriminate when shooting films with regards to choosing my subjects and locations as these rolls keeping getting more expensive by the day!

  • @trblase
    @trblase 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this video!!! Well thought out and fair.
    I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the Olympus Om1 film cameras. That is what I have and I would love to know what you think of them since I noticed you do not have any videos on any Olympus cameras. My husband and I have learned so much through watching your videos. Thanks!!

  • @harrydeyong441
    @harrydeyong441 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably the best opinion/explanation I've heard on this tired subject. Jason, you got it right.

  • @johnleebold8894
    @johnleebold8894 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey what macro lens and set up do you use to scan ? Can you recommend your best budget setup and work flow to scan and print large prints ? John Perth Australia

  • @OneMonthTwoCameras
    @OneMonthTwoCameras 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Oh man, you're going to crush the Internet with this spicy vid title.

  • @ripemangosmdm7997
    @ripemangosmdm7997 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is my favorite video you have ever made. hands down. A great look at and into this nonsensical debate. very well thought out and hilarious. Thank you!

  • @spooky_leftist
    @spooky_leftist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly I love shooting film for the scan. Digital color correction helps me reach that subjective look. It's been a big topic in cinematography since the early aughts when digital intermediates were a new, popular process; now with Dune and others we're seeing film intermediates for media captured on digital cameras for digital presentation.

  • @Minolta_Gal
    @Minolta_Gal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Well put! Couldn’t agree more. I love the slowness of film it really makes you think about the shot before you take it. Digital is great when you want to just go out & just worry about the simple side of photography.

  • @35mm21
    @35mm21 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I shoot film and relate to what you're saying but I also used to be a professional sports photographer, and you're off base about sports photography. The very best sports photography captures feeling. The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, to borrow a phrase.

  • @ZROADHOG
    @ZROADHOG 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    While I do shoot both digital and film, it does come down to cost and practicality. I love shooting digital for ease, but some days I need the complexity and careful thought that comes with film. I don't shoot sports or wildlife, but I do try to apply my film skills to my digital photography. I try not to shoot 1000 stills for one scene, I try to keep it down to one or two, like I would on film, but without thinking about the cost of development, new rolls, etc. And come on! Even film has postproduction! Film and digital can complement each other in great ways.

    • @ZROADHOG
      @ZROADHOG 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@phillipbanes5484 Oh, absolutely nothing, I actually shoot everything in manual on my digital photography. Like I said, I'm not trigger happy in digital, and do try to apply my film skills to digital, but I know I have the freedom to just wing it and improvise a bit more as opposed to film, where I'm definitely more conservative in my shooting.

  • @monkeywrenchedphotography1876
    @monkeywrenchedphotography1876 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent points!!! And that’s why I shoot film also why I shoot my digital as if it were film

  • @Ryanhullphotography
    @Ryanhullphotography 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've tried explaining why I shoot digital for work but film for myself to my friends and family. Now I can just share this video and say ditto.

  • @igorvainshtein5731
    @igorvainshtein5731 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well said!!! I agree wholeheartedly!!!

  • @PhilKnall
    @PhilKnall 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The cake 😂😂
    Also thank you for using this aspect ratio, literally the only videos that fill my ridiculous phone's screens

  • @mallorydavisphotography
    @mallorydavisphotography 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    such a fan of your channel! Thanks for always keeping it real. As a relatively new film shooter, I couldn't agree with your sentiments. EMOTION for sure

  • @Nerdychameleon
    @Nerdychameleon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Do a video on half frame photos!!

  • @PlanetaryPenguin321
    @PlanetaryPenguin321 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My happy medium between these two concepts is Fujifilm with adapted lenses. XT4 + Viltrox Speed Booster + Helios 40-2. Then choose if you want to use any film simulations. Bonus is that the speed booster and IBIS makes it a low light monster.

  • @mattlopez4585
    @mattlopez4585 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I use a half dead nikon d800 where most of the buttons don't work (the two dials work thankfully) and I can't get playback on the rear screen, also I think the autofocus is off. I use a pre-Ai old nikkor 50mm f1.4 lens that is modified to work and just shoot manual focus. I think I am using the worst for both outcomes but you can't check your photos out onsite (like film) which i like and you dont have the cost of film. Most of my photos dont look great :) but it makes a nice change to my normal digital camera (fuji x100s).

  • @kentozapater8972
    @kentozapater8972 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    shooting with film is an entirely different philosophy of shooting, makes me appreciate more the spontaneity of the events and usually images taken with film cameras look better than digital

  • @rabidash
    @rabidash 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    One more thing, Daido Moriyama and Robert Frank both eventually switched to digital...eventually. I'm just wondering if conscious intentionality matters in both mediums. I think both mediums are exactly the same way, they are tools, and it matters how you use them. My father was a photographer and has since gone blind...when I talk to him about digital photography he becomes more excited about it than he does when I tell him I bought an enlarger. I think at the end of the day it is about economy, artistic vision and purpose. There is no better feeling than watching your negative turn into a print with a little bit of magic, but it is how you use the tools that matters and what you are trying to say. I'm rambling, I'm not spelling correctly and my grammar is atrocious, but just get out there and shoot!!!

    • @Adrian-wd4rn
      @Adrian-wd4rn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Many older pros switched to digital because....They're professionals. Before they took 10 good shots per roll, now they can take 30+.

    • @williamlasl
      @williamlasl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The photographers who actually practiced the craft before digital usually don’t romanticize film in the way younger photographers do. Certainly, I’ve never heard of anyone over the age or 35 specifically identify themselves as a “FILM photographer” (as opposed to just photographer.)

    • @Adrian-wd4rn
      @Adrian-wd4rn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@williamlasl I'm under 35, shot on film for over a decade....So yeah...I would make fun of it though, using the little sparkles like this ✨film✨ photographer. Because it's ridiculous. It's just a camera.

  • @developingtank
    @developingtank 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the most well put together arguments for film. Film is fun, but makes photography feel like more of an art form that you actually have to work for. There’s a sense of accomplishment or defeat at the end of development that doesn’t come with digital.

  • @mrbigg2u
    @mrbigg2u 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started on 110 instamatic camera in the 70's, with a revolving flash cube. 50 something years later, and many many cameras later I clutch a gfx. I fucking love it. But i also loved every camera along the way... it's a journey that reflects life. Just discovered your channel. Looking forward to viewing more 👊🏽

  • @markorchard2272
    @markorchard2272 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably the best AvsD monologue ever. Bravo dude!

  • @ikwhite
    @ikwhite 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Smart way of thinking about it. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Huydn6
    @Huydn6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A friend asked me the same kind of question, along the lines of "Why do you shoot film? What's the point?" and I put it to him like this:
    "Shut up loser"
    FR tho:
    "Think of it like this: You're a car guy right? You can have the newest sports car, which has the most highly tuned engine, it has the most comfortable seats and it has the highest top speed. It has butt warmers and it looks like something from the future with all of its LED lights and displays. OR, you can have this old vintage muscle car, it breaks every 100kms, you have to slam the door twice for it to shut, there is a little rust on the rear panel and the steering wheel is uncomfortable to hold. But which one would you prefer to drive?"
    There is no right or wrong answer. Some people want the old vintage car, some people want the most fuel efficient or high tech.

  • @JamesDevine
    @JamesDevine 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great talk man, agree on all points. I’ve been using both mediums for 12 years and have always seen the merits of both. I shoot more digital as a wedding shooter, but there is more intentionality and care on film. Most probably because my bank account says so lol

  • @ohshoot444
    @ohshoot444 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The color grading on your talking head parts are fantastic. What are you using?

  • @RM.TokyoPhotographer
    @RM.TokyoPhotographer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    one of my photography teacher back in photography school in Tokyo successfully succeeded Daguerrotype re inventing/re mastering how to shoot it....and honesty i would probably will never achieve that level of dedication since you have to literally build a tent right beside where you shot that actual shot the moment its shot you have to process it on location and use toxic materials to post process it....its not the look thats important its that dedication and commitment that makes it worthwhile...thanks for a great videoo...polishing that silver to make it glow.
    if you can get it done during the shoot *getting the right exposure digital/film if studio if you place the lighting correctly you wont have to tinker around in post and can save tons of time....thats what film taught me...and thats why alot of photography teachers in Tokyo say to students experience film....and if you master it understand it you will exceed in the digital world.

  • @stevekingswell9143
    @stevekingswell9143 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I spend a fair amount of time making perfect digital images look like film, or doing ICM, now that’s super hard with a film camera.

  • @Screenager48
    @Screenager48 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The last time i came this early, i had to make it up with brunch

  • @sglynnphoto
    @sglynnphoto 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a tintype artist I appreciate the shout out, yeah we love ether fumes. The images look better the more brain cells you kill.

  • @MrKYLEforAwhile
    @MrKYLEforAwhile 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great break down of this topic

  • @LifelessAl
    @LifelessAl 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s all in your head. There are a lot of great shots with soul shot on Digital. Same there ara an entire era of sports photography that was shot on film. It’s absolutely depends on your inner artist.

  • @user-tt7jz8gl8r
    @user-tt7jz8gl8r 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved Jason’s performance as the penguin in the Batman