So the more Vader hates Sidious the stronger he gets but the more Palps's hated the stronger he gets. So technically they would always be about almost the same level now. It explains how Vader was only able to overpower Sidious when he did it not for hate but to save his son, so for LOVE.
This is the best comic all year!!! This is epic do y'all understand that Vader is trying everything to overcome palpatine the emperor can't be defeated with hate that's y Skywalker was able to beat him in episode 6 because of love not the dark side
So the more Vader hates Sidious the stronger he gets but the more Palps's hated the stronger he gets. So technically they would always be about the same level now, but palps remains a bit stronger. it explains how Vader was only able to take him out when he did it not for hate but to save his son. He let scourge take over him, let's see how this will go. This was mine interpretation feel free to discuss in comments
In the Star Wars Canon, I'd argue Vader was always more powerful than Palpatine, but Palpatine was still always superior Vader, always having him under his thumb.
*Gulp* I wonder, now that the Scourge is one step away from victory, I'd love to see Palpatine's struggle against a being that doesn't hold himself back.
Thank you for your service as always!. Side note I'm not really digging what they are doing to vader and palpatine. It's not even cat and mouse anymore. It's more like two dead birds in a closed box being shuffled about 😂
What happened to vader right at the end? Did he seriously willingly allow himself to be possessed, or is this the Mustafarian situation all over again?
He let himself get taken over? Now the Scourge is on the verge of winning! And now we see why Palpatine is truly the top Sith Lord. He thrives on any hate, especially hate aimed at him. Makes you wonder how far he would get in a Sith Empire.
@@honestmaster1932 Yeah that is basicaly a Deus Ex Machina, because is basicly "i will win no matter what " the only think that seems logical to me is that he is able to feed of the hatred of others but the comics dosen't explain anything so is just a theory .
@@honestmaster1932They don’t need to explain. It’s a real thing even in our world. Narcissistic psychopaths are the same type of people as Palpatine. I’ve personally encountered one or two, females. They thrive on attention. Positive or negative. Love or hate.
Just reminding everyone that we are STILL in the one year gap between episode 5 and 6. All the comics and all this shit in the past 5 years that has come out has happend and taken place in a one year gap between empire strikes back and return of the Jedi… YET WERE STILL NOT SEEING ANYTHING content wise leading us up to the movie. They are really milking this year.
Yeah I find it hard to believe all this takes place 6 months to a year. Are we meant to believe Vader has an extremely busy life and we're seeing every single day?
Correction: It were all the comics in the past 3 years with this time gap, so since January 2020. The Empire Strikes Back itself is in the first 3 weeks or so of the year 3 ABY. The movie itself takes place during two, at most three weeks. All the comics up till the end of the War of the Bounty Hunters are possibly just one or two months away from the film. All of them are in the early weeks right after the film. The War of the Bounty Hunters itself is a one/two-week long conflict. So all the other comics still perfectly fit somewhere into that year too, as they build up and directly connect to each other without time jumps, that are that large. Adding to that, in the current Canon there isn't another event really happening in that year. You could count the TIE-Fighter mini-series, but a reference has already put that at 4 ABY. We do actually see some things leading up to Return of the Jedi. The Rebels know, that the Empire builds a Second Death Star, Luke has the green crystal for his new lightsaber and the rest is already detaily explained trough other media. We don't know yet, if it was actually just one year or one year and two/three months actually.
Dudee this was it. Thise studios is stupidly powerful. To see Vader withstand his electricity and fight the scourge is incredible. These two beings as master and apprentice can never be defeated
this is a HUGE feat for Vader he technically stalemate Palpatine, the two are now literary comparable. And this put definitely Vader over Yoda and other characters.
@@honestmaster1932 that was not a stalemate. Palpatine was in total control the entire time and had Vader pinned to the wall with lightning while barely even trying it seems. Palpatine was reveling in that moment and getting off on Vader's hate.
@@dominicchoate2287 not even. Palps was trynna distract vader to turn his back on him. He wasn't "pinned against the wall", he was delfecting the lightning and they ended the battle completely undamaged. No one was in control, one was attacking and the other defending. Palps failed to break Vader's defenses who wasn't even struggling near the end despite blocking with only one hand for multiple pages. He also released the scourge on the planet and palps couldn't stop him. If he was superior, he would have gone after Vader even after the fight, not tell him he "needs him" which is an obvious lie. Even while amped by Vader's hatred he still couldn't prove superiority. This was a stalemate no matter what you say
Hmmm seems very similar to Mace Windu's Vapaad form which turns the dark side and anger against the other person. Makes me wish the actors had been in better shape to portray a more accurate fight between those two powerhouses.
This finally confirm Vader to be more powerful than Yoda and any other Jedi, considering he technically stale this version of Palpatine. This comic is settled little before Return of the Jedi and Return of the Jedi Palpatine is stated to be much more powerful than his Revenge of the Sith version who beat/stale Yoda. Vader is officially the level of Return of the Jedi Palpatine and automatically over Yoda.
@@elfather2045 i know, but several people say Yoda is stronger and can easily beat Vader.. 😅 Now they can't say this anymore because it is esplicitally said by Yoda in Canon that he can't beat Vader.
@@bradleysaunders1730 Palpatine was serious this time, noting suggest he was holding back. On contrary he recognize Vader strength and Vader was slammed to the wall but without consequences he immediately regain position and successfully block Sidious lightning.
Whoever wrote the script, whoever dump this cyber-virus idea into star wars, got some serious PTSD with covid. Get emm to the therapist. We don't need more zombies in SW.
I cant believe after vader worked so hard to not become possessed/controlled by the droid scourge that he'd willingly allow himself to lose control just like that. Something smells fishy about that. Very fishy. (Admiral Ackbar?)
I guess the comic is trying to make a point of Vader hating the emperor so much that he's willing to put his individuality on the line for another advantage. But if he doesn't have a trick up his mind for the virus, this is very out of character I think
@GreaterGrievobeast55 what advantage could he possibly get by allowing himself to become possessed willingly?! I get with the mustafiarians he did it to lure the Queen of the mustafarians out of hiding so that he could stop them from attacking his fortress and killing his men, but how would that work here? It's not like the problem is a living being or a Droid that if he destroyed it everything's over and done with, but rather this is a virus! There's nothing to lure out of hiding! What's even the point?! Also, as angry as he is at his master, couldn't his master just forcibly retake control over vader once he finds out vader is possessed?
Seem that Vader let the scorge posses him because he have a plan, probably Vader will regain the control to use some boost from the scourge as the preview of the next issue suggest
@honestmaster1932 it seems like they are trying to make the events of a Legends comic into new Canon, but I'm not sure about that. The comic was a legends one where the Mustafarians were attacking vaders fortress on Mustafar, and he let himself get possessed to draw the Queen of the hive out to end her rein and stop the destruction. They've tried this before i think.
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So the more Vader hates Sidious the stronger he gets but the more Palps's hated the stronger he gets. So technically they would always be about almost the same level now. It explains how Vader was only able to overpower Sidious when he did it not for hate but to save his son, so for LOVE.
excactly palpatine never felt love so thats why he couldnt feel vader was about to betray him
Vader: I will kill you in the Death Star 2 one way or another Sidious!!!
This is the best comic all year!!! This is epic do y'all understand that Vader is trying everything to overcome palpatine the emperor can't be defeated with hate that's y Skywalker was able to beat him in episode 6 because of love not the dark side
9:15 I like how Mas Amedda is depply disturbed and saddened by the death of innocent people. As corrupt as he is, he’s not pure evil unlike Palpatine.
So the more Vader hates Sidious the stronger he gets but the more Palps's hated the stronger he gets. So technically they would always be about the same level now, but palps remains a bit stronger. it explains how Vader was only able to take him out when he did it not for hate but to save his son. He let scourge take over him, let's see how this will go.
This was mine interpretation feel free to discuss in comments
correct interpretation in my opinion. Vader will become more powerful than Sidious the moment he will fight him for LOVE and for hate.
In the Star Wars Canon, I'd argue Vader was always more powerful than Palpatine, but Palpatine was still always superior Vader, always having him under his thumb.
*Gulp* I wonder, now that the Scourge is one step away from victory, I'd love to see Palpatine's struggle against a being that doesn't hold himself back.
Vader is powerful but he is not as powerful as the Emperor.
@@Darknesss490Facts.
Thank you for your service as always!.
Side note I'm not really digging what they are doing to vader and palpatine. It's not even cat and mouse anymore. It's more like two dead birds in a closed box being shuffled about 😂
What happened to vader right at the end? Did he seriously willingly allow himself to be possessed, or is this the Mustafarian situation all over again?
Calling him old friend while torturing him. Palpatine is a twisted old gargoyle i swear
he don't torture him here, Palpatine was wary this time and the fight end almost in a draw technically
He let himself get taken over? Now the Scourge is on the verge of winning! And now we see why Palpatine is truly the top Sith Lord. He thrives on any hate, especially hate aimed at him. Makes you wonder how far he would get in a Sith Empire.
But they don't explain why Palpatine have this type of ability and Vader not. Basically at this time if it wasn't for this ability Vader would win
@@honestmaster1932 Yeah that is basicaly a Deus Ex Machina, because is basicly "i will win no matter what " the only think that seems logical to me is that he is able to feed of the hatred of others but the comics dosen't explain anything so is just a theory .
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Vader has the power too. Vader was a master of ALL force powers.
@@honestmaster1932They don’t need to explain. It’s a real thing even in our world. Narcissistic psychopaths are the same type of people as Palpatine. I’ve personally encountered one or two, females. They thrive on attention. Positive or negative. Love or hate.
If I was Vader I'd think about recruiting Yoda at this point
Just reminding everyone that we are STILL in the one year gap between episode 5 and 6. All the comics and all this shit in the past 5 years that has come out has happend and taken place in a one year gap between empire strikes back and return of the Jedi… YET WERE STILL NOT SEEING ANYTHING content wise leading us up to the movie. They are really milking this year.
Yeah I find it hard to believe all this takes place 6 months to a year. Are we meant to believe Vader has an extremely busy life and we're seeing every single day?
Well, no more interquel comics, no more Vader comics. That's the logic both Marvel and Lucasfilm are justifying themselves with.
Correction: It were all the comics in the past 3 years with this time gap, so since January 2020.
The Empire Strikes Back itself is in the first 3 weeks or so of the year 3 ABY. The movie itself takes place during two, at most three weeks. All the comics up till the end of the War of the Bounty Hunters are possibly just one or two months away from the film. All of them are in the early weeks right after the film. The War of the Bounty Hunters itself is a one/two-week long conflict. So all the other comics still perfectly fit somewhere into that year too, as they build up and directly connect to each other without time jumps, that are that large. Adding to that, in the current Canon there isn't another event really happening in that year. You could count the TIE-Fighter mini-series, but a reference has already put that at 4 ABY.
We do actually see some things leading up to Return of the Jedi. The Rebels know, that the Empire builds a Second Death Star, Luke has the green crystal for his new lightsaber and the rest is already detaily explained trough other media.
We don't know yet, if it was actually just one year or one year and two/three months actually.
2:51
You mean, "Dew it"?
Once... just once, I'd love to Vader come close to beating Palps... is that too much to ask for?
Dudee this was it. Thise studios is stupidly powerful. To see Vader withstand his electricity and fight the scourge is incredible. These two beings as master and apprentice can never be defeated
Neither came close to beating eachother. Palps threw lightning and Vader deflected it amd they were both unharmed. A stalemate is great for both
this is a HUGE feat for Vader he technically stalemate Palpatine, the two are now literary comparable. And this put definitely Vader over Yoda and other characters.
@@honestmaster1932 that was not a stalemate. Palpatine was in total control the entire time and had Vader pinned to the wall with lightning while barely even trying it seems. Palpatine was reveling in that moment and getting off on Vader's hate.
@@dominicchoate2287 not even. Palps was trynna distract vader to turn his back on him. He wasn't "pinned against the wall", he was delfecting the lightning and they ended the battle completely undamaged. No one was in control, one was attacking and the other defending. Palps failed to break Vader's defenses who wasn't even struggling near the end despite blocking with only one hand for multiple pages. He also released the scourge on the planet and palps couldn't stop him. If he was superior, he would have gone after Vader even after the fight, not tell him he "needs him" which is an obvious lie. Even while amped by Vader's hatred he still couldn't prove superiority. This was a stalemate no matter what you say
I’m really liking this
Not a bad issue. Still, this series is still being dragged on.
2:52 AH AH HE SAID IT
Hmmm seems very similar to Mace Windu's Vapaad form which turns the dark side and anger against the other person. Makes me wish the actors had been in better shape to portray a more accurate fight between those two powerhouses.
This finally confirm Vader to be more powerful than Yoda and any other Jedi, considering he technically stale this version of Palpatine. This comic is settled little before Return of the Jedi and Return of the Jedi Palpatine is stated to be much more powerful than his Revenge of the Sith version who beat/stale Yoda. Vader is officially the level of Return of the Jedi Palpatine and automatically over Yoda.
He was always more powerful than Yoda in both legends and canon, it was always implied.
@@elfather2045 i know, but several people say Yoda is stronger and can easily beat Vader.. 😅 Now they can't say this anymore because it is esplicitally said by Yoda in Canon that he can't beat Vader.
No it doesn’t, and he didn’t even stalemate him, he got knocked into a wall while palpatine wasn’t even using full power
@@elfather2045no he isn’t, legends vader is on mauls level
@@bradleysaunders1730 Palpatine was serious this time, noting suggest he was holding back. On contrary he recognize Vader strength and Vader was slammed to the wall but without consequences he immediately regain position and successfully block Sidious lightning.
Wait, wtf, isn't this after Vader goes to Exegol and gets put in his place? Why is he attacking Palpatine again?
Whoever wrote the script, whoever dump this cyber-virus idea into star wars, got some serious PTSD with covid. Get emm to the therapist. We don't need more zombies in SW.
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I cant believe after vader worked so hard to not become possessed/controlled by the droid scourge that he'd willingly allow himself to lose control just like that. Something smells fishy about that. Very fishy. (Admiral Ackbar?)
I guess the comic is trying to make a point of Vader hating the emperor so much that he's willing to put his individuality on the line for another advantage. But if he doesn't have a trick up his mind for the virus, this is very out of character I think
@GreaterGrievobeast55 what advantage could he possibly get by allowing himself to become possessed willingly?! I get with the mustafiarians he did it to lure the Queen of the mustafarians out of hiding so that he could stop them from attacking his fortress and killing his men, but how would that work here? It's not like the problem is a living being or a Droid that if he destroyed it everything's over and done with, but rather this is a virus! There's nothing to lure out of hiding! What's even the point?! Also, as angry as he is at his master, couldn't his master just forcibly retake control over vader once he finds out vader is possessed?
Seem that Vader let the scorge posses him because he have a plan, probably Vader will regain the control to use some boost from the scourge as the preview of the next issue suggest
@honestmaster1932 it seems like they are trying to make the events of a Legends comic into new Canon, but I'm not sure about that. The comic was a legends one where the Mustafarians were attacking vaders fortress on Mustafar, and he let himself get possessed to draw the Queen of the hive out to end her rein and stop the destruction. They've tried this before i think.
@@cassandrawelch1292oh that comic was actually a canon one!
Why are those Vader-Comics so confusing, like make them a little more understandable, please.
this series is still being dragged on.
Does anyone know which issue is next after this one?
This droid storyline is just boring
Really? Has to be one of the most epic