This was one of the plot twists, or just developments, that shook me to my core. It absolutely SHOCKED me - blew my mind, as well as the AI subroutines thread and the details of the FARO plague leading to the total extinction of humanity. It was these parts of the game that elevated it from an 8/10 to a clear 9/10.
While these data points were chilling, what really bothered me were the "edited" and "approved" audio messages that were being sent out of one of the facilities (I forget which). I remember stumbling across certain messages from soldiers, saying how hopeless the war is, and then stumbling across the same message but edited to sound hopeful. The military, editing outside communications and preventing inbound communications reaching their soldiers, because it contained info of the bleak situation outside? That's awful.
As awful as it is, you also have to bear in mind what the video says. They couldn't let everyone know what was really going on and what the situation was really like, or people would just give up. They had to make it seem like they were having a fighting chance, for better or worse.
It's unlikely that the bunker Aloy found as a child was Elysium; if you returned to the bunker when Aloy was grown, you'll discover Director Evans' announcement that the Wichita Salient had been breached. She goes on to tell her listeners that they would have the option of leaving the bunker (they were going to open the doors for ten minutes, as I recall), or to accept medical euthanasia--which many obviously did. Also, as at least one other commenter pointed out, it seems to me that Elysium would be a good deal bigger than this bunker seemed to be. I expect that Aloy will eventually find Elysium in her continuing journeys, and perhaps even Ted--that asshole--Faro's bunker. I just hope the followup game(s) in the Zero Dawn series will be as excellent as this one was. By the bye, thanks so much for this series. I find it quite fascinating and well done.
Over all the years I've played, of all the times I've disliked a villain for what they did - Ted Faro is easily the one I hate most. Most villains, I'm fine with them being disposed of so recovery can begin... but Ted? I'd like him to die repeatedly, once for every person he killed, and once for every person that was denied their history, and died as a result. It may take until the sun burns out, but I'm ok with that.
@@cheeseguy3412 If both he and hell were real places, I'm very sure he would be Lucifer's favorite play thing. especially sense he wouldn't be getting any new toys for what was it, 295 years? according to the wiki page
I agree with you Kevalin. I think this first ruin was a dormatory/work area for those working on the cradle facility nearby (Mother's Watch?). It seems to me that this section was cut off from the rest when the Horus attacked causing cave ins. I also don't think HZD would have allowed two facilities to be so close together. Hundreds of miles/kilometers would have been too close.
I think it's pretty darn likely that there are survivors of Elysium in the New Age. Along with the Alphas, the ZD Betas and Gammas were the best, brightest, and most capable of their generation, the planet's foremost experts in exactly the disciplines that might have allowed them to find some way of extending Elysium's capacity to support human life the additional 150 years it took GAIA to re-green the Earth. They presumably had access to most of the tools and equipment used to fabricate Elysium itself since the facility seems to have been designed from scratch and could have used it to develop and construct cloning or cryostasis facilities, hydroponic farms GAIA herself may have eventually devised a means of saving them and may have directed one of her subroutines like HEPHAESTUS to construct it. She was, after all, in constant contact with her various remote sites across the glove via some unknown and undetectable communications channel that may have connected her to Elysium as well.
David you forget that everyone that chose to live out their lives in Elysium was to be sterilized. It is possible Gaia figured out a way to put everyone in stasis but unlikely. Her focus needed to be on the plan, which included repopulating the world, and not on a few hundred survivors who couldn't help repopulate.
I'm almost positive the bunker from the beginning of the game is a Zero Dawn facility staffed by betas/gammas who were working on the construction of Eleuthia-9, since it's right next to it, and we know that the Cradle facilities were one part of Zero Dawn that had to be constructed by humanity before the end, not GAIA's responsibility like the Cauldrons were. The personnel who killed themselves and whose final thoughts we hear as Aloy were meant to evacuate to Elysium when their work was done, which is where Isaac and his mother are, but they weren't able to because the Faro bots broke through the Witchita salient before they were ready.
Not only that but that bunker was too small to be Elysium... if you read the data points at the zero Dawn facility, they state how Elysium was a massive bunker. But like you said this is all speculation. It’s a good thought, but if we have a sequel we might find out more answers then.
+Ethan Moreau The thing that lead me to think it could possibly link to the main facility is that giant door in that bunker kind of fades out into nothingness on the map. You can't get in there... frustrating lol. I really hope they make another one!
I'm so happy we got the Easter Egg when Aloy and GAIA talk about Elysium. I bet they survived, have connection with Quen Tribe and we get to know them in the 3rd game.
Elysium probably has nothing to do with the Quen. They’re in China and all of the later Zero Dawn facilities are in North America due to it being the last continent to fall.
Kinda late to the party, but, there is a data point inside GAIA Prime that says that Elysium is only a few miles away (from G Prime). Though i do not believe this facility inside the nora lands is connected to Elysium. It could be that this small facility was a gamma Eleuthia site with the purpose to finish programming after the construction of such a facility was finished. The tube (a rapid transit system?) inside at the small facility looks as if it is(was?) connected to the cradle as it points directly to All-Mother Mountain.
It could just be the tube was just an entrance point in and out of the facility. Like similar to the Vault entrance in the Fallout games. And I agree that the bunker housed the employees overseeing the construction of the cradle facility. At the end, they were given the option to abandon the facility (if they didn’t want to do the suicide option in the community room) however I’m sure they were given a suicide kit on the way out just in case.. and travel on foot to wherever the road took them I guess. But in a sense, it would still be suicide... if they chose to go outside, they would have to wear rebreathers since the oxygen was depleted at the time. And once the swarm reached their location, they would be consumed.. I’m sure that would be a painful experience to be eaten by the swarm...
i'm fairly certain that the ruin we found there wasnt elysium, elysium would have had to have the same level of security as the cradels or GAIA prime, so i doubt that theres any chance of it being breached from the surface...no i think the facility we were exploring was one of ZD's secondary research labs, one that was too far away for the workers there to make it to elysium in time after they finished there work so instead they sealed the lab...kept working till the last second, till gaia prime was sealed and disconected from the network to prevent if rom being traced, and then the staff kept going till the new year after zero day...and opted to end it...some in a darker way then others.
There's no point of finding Elysium now because all she will find is more bunch of dead people and their recording nothing more. Since Elysium can only hold up people for 100 years plus it also had limited supplies, unless people in there would've repopulate inside the Elysium but then again it's not meant to be that way.
@@beastmotoz EXCEPT it would be of high interest to Cylens, after all. the people living in Elysium had to have something to pass the time... so they may have a personal data base of knowledge, entertainment and technology that may have survived the test of time better (sealed environment and all)
@@beastmotoz Elysium people should have left many books and digital sources on science, technology, agriculture and history to maintain the system and pass time.
Learning more about Elysium, I wonder if after the sixty years it took for GAIA to acquire a "kill-switch" signal and broadcast it from the MINERVA towers, if Elysium's sealed entrance(s) would have unlocked and allowed the surviving children of any of the Beta/Gamma personnel to venture out on to the wasteland that would have been Earth, assuming there was still anyone alive in Elysium. Sure to you or me it would seem pretty damn bleak, but to a person trapped in a bunker for 60 odd years, perhaps not even being old enough to remember the "outside" when they first entered, being able to take a step outside, albeit in a Hazmat suit, would probably be the greatest day of their lives.
It's very hard to tell if people inside the Elysium even survived or not, there's just a hint we get from a recording from GAIA prime facility that Elysium is just few miles away the the G. prime facility but not the exact location of it which means The Elysium has to be somewhere in the HZD map. But Elysium was meant to hold up people who were inside it for just 100 years and also they had limited supplies, Now if Aloy does finds Elysium it would be interesting what she finds most likely more dead bodies and their recording or maybe people inside Elysium repopulated and we will find more people in there but still this theory just sounds impossible.
@@beastmotoz Remember though that project members and family who chose to live out the apocalypse in Elysium were medically sterilized. It was mandatory, so that they wouldn't reproduce and drain Elysium's limited resources.
Remember MINERVA was only the precursor to the terraforming process and the Earth was still a poisonous uninhabitable wasteland when the Faro plague was shut down. It took Gaia a further two centuries to render the planet hospitable to human and animal life.
I figured this bunker was where the people working on the shield weaver armour were living, not Elysium. And Margo says that it's only a few miles awhile in a data point in Gaia Prime.
It's probably not that bunker. Shield Weaver wouldn't be a priority for the Zero Dawn project - those folks were working for Operation Enduring Victory.
Judging by the way Director Evans speaks and the layout I would say it’s more likely connected to the Shieldvweaver development project as part of Enduring Victory.
You know seems the new world of Horizon Zero Dawn isn't as primitive as it seems. I mean yea, if you only looked at Nora and stuff it may seem primitive but Meridian seems very 19th century with working elevators and all that. And remember knowledge isn't everything, as well as one of the big thing about the medieval age is the lack of quality metals. Steel was extremely expensive in the old days because it was extremely labor intensive to produce, and it wasn't until the LATE 19th century that it was mass produced via the Bessemer process. The world of Zero Dawn didn't have this problem as all they had to do is hunt machines for quality steel... and cauldron facility probably refines steel in massive quantities as well as all the old Faro robots contains a ton of good quality metal. So that meant using steel as building material isn't impossible in the world of Zero Dawn as it is in our history. Much of our present world's technology is actually a question of scale rather than raw technology (except in computing or something). You know a suit of armor in the old days costs more than a castle. Only nobles wore steel armor because they were just that expensive. In fact if you had to time travel to the old days, take a bunch of random worthless steel tools with you. Then you'll be a rich man being a blacksmith producing perfect steel weapons. This applies to things like firearms too, without quality steel it was hard to make a gun that wouldn't explode.
We know the inhabitants of that particular facility died very shortly after the Wichita Salient collapsed due to a data point from Director Evans, which would have placed their deaths pre-zero-dawn completion and suggests that it can not be Elysium. Plus as was stated by misterAndroid in another comment there's a datapoint that says that Elysium is very close to Gaia Prime.
I think this bunker was for Gamma actively working on reproductive tech for both humans and machines. There are some structures inside that resemble crèches and ones that look like they were used to make small test bots. This site also cannot be Elysium because according to the accounts the day they all committed suicide was around New Years. According to Elizabet’s journals she had to close up the bunkers around the 16th of that January. This site was in the path of the swarm trying to get to the bunker in the north (I forget it’s name) where the marines whose journals we find had their last stand. That may have been Elysium; hopefully we get more info on it in the future.
When I heard that we could go under water in forbidden west I had so much hope to actually go to Elysium. I was really disappointed we got vegas instead although that was cool
I reserve the hope that we have yet to see Elysium, and that close to the end they were able to leave somewhat and see that the world was recovering.. and then die in peace... though I really wish they were able to find some resources and stay alive a bit longer... maybe some of them finding errors in Apollo, maybe some working to fix it, an override that would require an Alpha
if its not Elysium its probably a bunker related to the development of Elysium. either way to be stuck in a place where you knew that that was it for the remaining remnants of humanity to die , i couldn't imagine what it would have been like near the end. once again keep up the awesome work guys.
awesome although i do not believe the facility where aloy find her focus to be elyseum, i believe it is more likely a facility for zero dawn; it makes more sense, thinking about it, the hologram of the guy celebrating his son, i believe his familiy was in elyseum and he was in a different facility, and the failure for people to be transported to elyseum led them to eutanasia or opening the door of the facility, i mean, it was simply to small and not at all like a city; i hope the next game will deal with rebuilding gaia, finding and defeating the subordinate function to complete gaia, and findind elyseum and ted faro bunker, futures games have so much room to grow, i mean horizon zero dawn was build only around a part of the united states, there are a lot more land and lost in time cities they can buil upon, maybe find older wonders, the pyramids or the great wall of china, those monuments easily could survive several centuries
Apologies for the late comment. Have you done a video of the end of faro? Wasn't he going to end his days in elysium, but a private one? Really enjoying your videos!
Wait, now I am more confused. Can't believe I missed this part. So people ordered to work on the project were either given the option of complying with the order, being thrown into prison for the entirety of the project, or to chose to end their lives?
Once they knew what it was, yes. Because if any of them told the public the truth, the whole project would've failed. Zero Dawn relied on people fighting the robots, and most people would stop fighting if they ever found out there was no hope of their own survival. So anyone who knew the truth couldn't be allowed back into the world. Either they worked on Zero Dawn or they were under arrest.
I don't get why they couldn't grow their own food in the elysium bunkers? Other games like fallout have bunkers that are capable of growing fresh produce and animals, so I don't see what was stopping them from making a fully automated self sustaining argicultural system within the bunkers that could provide food for the survivors? It's not like they needed compler vegetables, they has cryogenically preserved seeds of all kinds of vegetables, so that means if they grew some, they could always reharvest the seeds (more seeds now perhaps) and even grow different ones if they want some variety. And this could all been done via a greenhouse and automated system. I think if they got more people to work on ZD, Elysium could have been a self sustaining bunker capable of hosting humans indefinitely
@@臺灣龍 The most potent pot on earth is grown under super efficient LED's my friend. Water can easily be pulled from the ground and filtered. It's definitely a plot hole in the game considering what they did with a self-automated transforming system. It'd be easy to siphon tech off from that to make a self sustaining crop system.
I think the greatest obstacle here is the genetic diversity. Sure elysium could be a self sustaining colony, but how do u ensure that in a few generations the population does not become too inbred. Eleuthia was specifically designed keeping this genetic diversity in mind.
It's not that simple, the idea of humanity living for centuries in the underground of a bunker is irrealistic. The vaults of Fallout are not in any way realistics, and Horizon tries to make things more believable, but basically, you have inbreed, oxygen problems, the fact that eventually the systems will start to fail, lack of water (you can't just take of the outside, the biosphere was literally destroyed), even if they lived to see the Faro prague stopped by GAIA, they would never survive long enough to see the world restaured to living conditions. (Sorry for my bad english, i'm not a native speaker)
When you actually think about Elysium and what must have been going through people's heads while being the last living creatures on earth... It makes the actual world and humanity seem kinda pointless and horrible.
Ted probably used his overrides to sever GAIA's contact with Elysium but I like to imagine that 50 years on, the survivors would have picked up and toasted the MINERVA broadcast.
I understand the theory of everyone being medicaly sterilized but I can also see that plan quickly deteriorating. This makes me think that it's possible that the descendants of those sites might be associated with the tribes of the forbidden west or especially the Ravenous Tribe that happened to be cannibalistic.
If that bunker from the beginning is any indication of how things went down, it's likely that a good chunk of what should have been Elysium's carefully controlled population never made it there, meaning they'd have had a surplus of air/water/food/etc. The were smart people and even if they were all sterilized, they just got done figuring out a million different ways to create life from nothing in the span of a year and had decades of time on their hands.
@@davidshovlin2783 You have a point, I mean sterilisation via vasectomy can be reversed very easily and depending upon the procedure used, sometimes even anesthesia or an operating room aren't necessary. Tubectomies are harder to reverse, but their future tech might make it possible. Maybe this is somehow connected to the youths with the same faces and skin as pale as ash that stories are told about in the forbidden west. My theory is that those are most likely the multiservitor bors that were connected to the elysium facility, modified by the inhabitants, and now they are the ones that venture outside the facility to fetch food for the descendants of the inhabitants.
They Announced a new Horizon new dawn game.. not a dlc but a full follow up game..I don't know if it will have the same impact as the original though....unless ofc it has Ted Faro in it that he either Cryo slept or transferred his mind into a machine...maybe then we can get Revenge on him and The Masters....(cause of the glitch and unknown signal)
Spoiler for Horizon Forbidden West…. . Gaia mentions that contact was lost with Elysium after 30 years and there is no additional information. I wonder if not everyone was “sterilized” and children were born, the population INCREASED and as a result, that accelerated resource use and the population starved to death…..
It's Christian. It's from an hymn called "Amazing Grace". It's very famous and has transcended generations. And it's also in one of the datapoints inside the Bunker Aloy falls into as a child.
I'm going to say now, and I would bet money on this, the bunker Aloy fell into as a child is not Elysium, nor does it have anything to do with Elysium. From the audio logs found, it's clear that the bunkers entirety had been euthanized upon completion of whatever it is they were working on, or as the swarm inched closer. Zero Dawn would have required thousands of people working in it from bunkers most likely, spread all across the US. Many of the bunkers would have been retrofitted to be used as needed, but not all of them would have been sustainable long term. Only the high level, Alphas and Betas, would have been informed of the true nature of everything to come. The Alphas were residing in Gaia Prime, where they were killed by Faro, and the Betas would have been transported to Elysium. The remaining workers in the various other bunkers, most likely were told the lie like everyone else, and kept in the bunkers as their families were elsewhere, remaining there until the swarm had destroyed the biosphere, causing all remaining humans outside the bunkers to die off from a lack of oxygen and a poisoned landscape. Then, as the bunkers we're not designed for long term living, and they would not seal up enough to prevent the swarm from detecting them, the inhabitants would have been euthanized in order to save them the pain for what was to come if the swarm reached them, or from dying of starvation. Then the bunkers would be shut down and would remain buried over the centuries. This is what I believe is the bunker that Aloy stumbled into, just another cog in the machine building Zero Dawn, never intended to last past it's usefulness. I hope Elysium is found in Forbidden West, that would be cool to comb through, but I definitely don't believe it was the one in ZD....
The bunker shown in this clip is probably one of the places where the people went who chose for either lock up or ending their lives. Option 2 and 3 in the Project Zero dawn protocol if one did not want to work on it. Elysium was ment for 2000 people. And probably located at what at the time was the safest location possible. Perhaps an island. Or deep underground.
Correction: The bunker Aloy falls into as a child is a ZD housing facility for Gamma/Beta personnel.
They lived in there their entire life?
This was one of the plot twists, or just developments, that shook me to my core. It absolutely SHOCKED me - blew my mind, as well as the AI subroutines thread and the details of the FARO plague leading to the total extinction of humanity. It was these parts of the game that elevated it from an 8/10 to a clear 9/10.
While these data points were chilling, what really bothered me were the "edited" and "approved" audio messages that were being sent out of one of the facilities (I forget which). I remember stumbling across certain messages from soldiers, saying how hopeless the war is, and then stumbling across the same message but edited to sound hopeful. The military, editing outside communications and preventing inbound communications reaching their soldiers, because it contained info of the bleak situation outside? That's awful.
gsamuel99 Those audio points were at the Grave Hoard
Yeah, i remember those, the messages from Sgt guliyev for his wife, that was so sad...
As awful as it is, you also have to bear in mind what the video says. They couldn't let everyone know what was really going on and what the situation was really like, or people would just give up. They had to make it seem like they were having a fighting chance, for better or worse.
Awful but ultimately necessary
The Grave Hoard. Maybe one of the most emotionally harrowing locations in fiction.
It's unlikely that the bunker Aloy found as a child was Elysium; if you returned to the bunker when Aloy was grown, you'll discover Director Evans' announcement that the Wichita Salient had been breached. She goes on to tell her listeners that they would have the option of leaving the bunker (they were going to open the doors for ten minutes, as I recall), or to accept medical euthanasia--which many obviously did. Also, as at least one other commenter pointed out, it seems to me that Elysium would be a good deal bigger than this bunker seemed to be. I expect that Aloy will eventually find Elysium in her continuing journeys, and perhaps even Ted--that asshole--Faro's bunker. I just hope the followup game(s) in the Zero Dawn series will be as excellent as this one was.
By the bye, thanks so much for this series. I find it quite fascinating and well done.
Over all the years I've played, of all the times I've disliked a villain for what they did - Ted Faro is easily the one I hate most. Most villains, I'm fine with them being disposed of so recovery can begin... but Ted? I'd like him to die repeatedly, once for every person he killed, and once for every person that was denied their history, and died as a result. It may take until the sun burns out, but I'm ok with that.
@@cheeseguy3412 If both he and hell were real places, I'm very sure he would be Lucifer's favorite play thing. especially sense he wouldn't be getting any new toys for what was it, 295 years? according to the wiki page
I agree with you Kevalin. I think this first ruin was a dormatory/work area for those working on the cradle facility nearby (Mother's Watch?). It seems to me that this section was cut off from the rest when the Horus attacked causing cave ins. I also don't think HZD would have allowed two facilities to be so close together. Hundreds of miles/kilometers would have been too close.
I think it's pretty darn likely that there are survivors of Elysium in the New Age. Along with the Alphas, the ZD Betas and Gammas were the best, brightest, and most capable of their generation, the planet's foremost experts in exactly the disciplines that might have allowed them to find some way of extending Elysium's capacity to support human life the additional 150 years it took GAIA to re-green the Earth. They presumably had access to most of the tools and equipment used to fabricate Elysium itself since the facility seems to have been designed from scratch and could have used it to develop and construct cloning or cryostasis facilities, hydroponic farms GAIA herself may have eventually devised a means of saving them and may have directed one of her subroutines like HEPHAESTUS to construct it. She was, after all, in constant contact with her various remote sites across the glove via some unknown and undetectable communications channel that may have connected her to Elysium as well.
David you forget that everyone that chose to live out their lives in Elysium was to be sterilized. It is possible Gaia figured out a way to put everyone in stasis but unlikely. Her focus needed to be on the plan, which included repopulating the world, and not on a few hundred survivors who couldn't help repopulate.
I'm almost positive the bunker from the beginning of the game is a Zero Dawn facility staffed by betas/gammas who were working on the construction of Eleuthia-9, since it's right next to it, and we know that the Cradle facilities were one part of Zero Dawn that had to be constructed by humanity before the end, not GAIA's responsibility like the Cauldrons were. The personnel who killed themselves and whose final thoughts we hear as Aloy were meant to evacuate to Elysium when their work was done, which is where Isaac and his mother are, but they weren't able to because the Faro bots broke through the Witchita salient before they were ready.
this makes sense!
How do we know eleuthia facilities were made by humans?
Not only that but that bunker was too small to be Elysium... if you read the data points at the zero Dawn facility, they state how Elysium was a massive bunker. But like you said this is all speculation. It’s a good thought, but if we have a sequel we might find out more answers then.
+Ethan Moreau The thing that lead me to think it could possibly link to the main facility is that giant door in that bunker kind of fades out into nothingness on the map. You can't get in there... frustrating lol. I really hope they make another one!
I'm so happy we got the Easter Egg when Aloy and GAIA talk about Elysium. I bet they survived, have connection with Quen Tribe and we get to know them in the 3rd game.
Elysium probably has nothing to do with the Quen. They’re in China and all of the later Zero Dawn facilities are in North America due to it being the last continent to fall.
I understand what happened in the first bunker. Wow.
Kinda late to the party, but, there is a data point inside GAIA Prime that says that Elysium is only a few miles away (from G Prime). Though i do not believe this facility inside the nora lands is connected to Elysium. It could be that this small facility was a gamma Eleuthia site with the purpose to finish programming after the construction of such a facility was finished. The tube (a rapid transit system?) inside at the small facility looks as if it is(was?) connected to the cradle as it points directly to All-Mother Mountain.
I have to agree this was a support facility for personnel working on a Cradle facility.
Bhoddisatva i made an errorr in my comment, the Tube points literally the opposite way of the cradle, oops.
It could just be the tube was just an entrance point in and out of the facility. Like similar to the Vault entrance in the Fallout games. And I agree that the bunker housed the employees overseeing the construction of the cradle facility.
At the end, they were given the option to abandon the facility (if they didn’t want to do the suicide option in the community room) however I’m sure they were given a suicide kit on the way out just in case.. and travel on foot to wherever the road took them I guess. But in a sense, it would still be suicide... if they chose to go outside, they would have to wear rebreathers since the oxygen was depleted at the time. And once the swarm reached their location, they would be consumed.. I’m sure that would be a painful experience to be eaten by the swarm...
i'm fairly certain that the ruin we found there wasnt elysium, elysium would have had to have the same level of security as the cradels or GAIA prime, so i doubt that theres any chance of it being breached from the surface...no i think the facility we were exploring was one of ZD's secondary research labs, one that was too far away for the workers there to make it to elysium in time after they finished there work so instead they sealed the lab...kept working till the last second, till gaia prime was sealed and disconected from the network to prevent if rom being traced, and then the staff kept going till the new year after zero day...and opted to end it...some in a darker way then others.
Aloy hasn’t found the main Elysium bunker yet; I hope we see it in the sequel. 😎
There's no point of finding Elysium now because all she will find is more bunch of dead people and their recording nothing more. Since Elysium can only hold up people for 100 years plus it also had limited supplies, unless people in there would've repopulate inside the Elysium but then again it's not meant to be that way.
@@beastmotoz EXCEPT it would be of high interest to Cylens, after all. the people living in Elysium had to have something to pass the time... so they may have a personal data base of knowledge, entertainment and technology that may have survived the test of time better (sealed environment and all)
@@beastmotoz Elysium people should have left many books and digital sources on science, technology, agriculture and history to maintain the system and pass time.
@@robertdegroot8302 i guess and we will find out in the Horizon Forbidden West
Well, Aloy and GAIA did mention about it in Forbidden West, we definitely get know about them in the 3rd game! Can't wait!
Learning more about Elysium, I wonder if after the sixty years it took for GAIA to acquire a "kill-switch" signal and broadcast it from the MINERVA towers, if Elysium's sealed entrance(s) would have unlocked and allowed the surviving children of any of the Beta/Gamma personnel to venture out on to the wasteland that would have been Earth, assuming there was still anyone alive in Elysium. Sure to you or me it would seem pretty damn bleak, but to a person trapped in a bunker for 60 odd years, perhaps not even being old enough to remember the "outside" when they first entered, being able to take a step outside, albeit in a Hazmat suit, would probably be the greatest day of their lives.
It's very hard to tell if people inside the Elysium even survived or not, there's just a hint we get from a recording from GAIA prime facility that Elysium is just few miles away the the G. prime facility but not the exact location of it which means The Elysium has to be somewhere in the HZD map. But Elysium was meant to hold up people who were inside it for just 100 years and also they had limited supplies, Now if Aloy does finds Elysium it would be interesting what she finds most likely more dead bodies and their recording or maybe people inside Elysium repopulated and we will find more people in there but still this theory just sounds impossible.
@@beastmotoz Remember though that project members and family who chose to live out the apocalypse in Elysium were medically sterilized. It was mandatory, so that they wouldn't reproduce and drain Elysium's limited resources.
Remember MINERVA was only the precursor to the terraforming process and the Earth was still a poisonous uninhabitable wasteland when the Faro plague was shut down. It took Gaia a further two centuries to render the planet hospitable to human and animal life.
@@davidshovlin2783 Right, that's why I said they'd go out in Hazmat suits; although technically it'd be more like sealed environmental suits
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I figured this bunker was where the people working on the shield weaver armour were living, not Elysium. And Margo says that it's only a few miles awhile in a data point in Gaia Prime.
It's probably not that bunker. Shield Weaver wouldn't be a priority for the Zero Dawn project - those folks were working for Operation Enduring Victory.
Judging by the way Director Evans speaks and the layout I would say it’s more likely connected to the Shieldvweaver development project as part of Enduring Victory.
Few ideas. Weapons how they are made or came to be to specific tribes. History of rost. All the important characters from frozen wilds
You know seems the new world of Horizon Zero Dawn isn't as primitive as it seems. I mean yea, if you only looked at Nora and stuff it may seem primitive but Meridian seems very 19th century with working elevators and all that. And remember knowledge isn't everything, as well as one of the big thing about the medieval age is the lack of quality metals. Steel was extremely expensive in the old days because it was extremely labor intensive to produce, and it wasn't until the LATE 19th century that it was mass produced via the Bessemer process. The world of Zero Dawn didn't have this problem as all they had to do is hunt machines for quality steel... and cauldron facility probably refines steel in massive quantities as well as all the old Faro robots contains a ton of good quality metal. So that meant using steel as building material isn't impossible in the world of Zero Dawn as it is in our history.
Much of our present world's technology is actually a question of scale rather than raw technology (except in computing or something). You know a suit of armor in the old days costs more than a castle. Only nobles wore steel armor because they were just that expensive. In fact if you had to time travel to the old days, take a bunch of random worthless steel tools with you. Then you'll be a rich man being a blacksmith producing perfect steel weapons.
This applies to things like firearms too, without quality steel it was hard to make a gun that wouldn't explode.
I hope we can explore Elysium in Horizon Forbidden West.
We know the inhabitants of that particular facility died very shortly after the Wichita Salient collapsed due to a data point from Director Evans, which would have placed their deaths pre-zero-dawn completion and suggests that it can not be Elysium. Plus as was stated by misterAndroid in another comment there's a datapoint that says that Elysium is very close to Gaia Prime.
I think this bunker was for Gamma actively working on reproductive tech for both humans and machines. There are some structures inside that resemble crèches and ones that look like they were used to make small test bots. This site also cannot be Elysium because according to the accounts the day they all committed suicide was around New Years. According to Elizabet’s journals she had to close up the bunkers around the 16th of that January. This site was in the path of the swarm trying to get to the bunker in the north (I forget it’s name) where the marines whose journals we find had their last stand. That may have been Elysium; hopefully we get more info on it in the future.
Really wish there was more lore on Elysium. Like there was absolutely no information here.
When I heard that we could go under water in forbidden west I had so much hope to actually go to Elysium. I was really disappointed we got vegas instead although that was cool
I reserve the hope that we have yet to see Elysium, and that close to the end they were able to leave somewhat and see that the world was recovering.. and then die in peace... though I really wish they were able to find some resources and stay alive a bit longer... maybe some of them finding errors in Apollo, maybe some working to fix it, an override that would require an Alpha
I wonder if the Alphas maintained contact with the folks in Elysium? I bet Faro lied the folks in Elysium when they asked about the Alphas.
Liking Alpha maintains in contact with Them before their murders.
if its not Elysium its probably a bunker related to the development of Elysium. either way to be stuck in a place where you knew that that was it for the remaining remnants of humanity to die , i couldn't imagine what it would have been like near the end. once again keep up the awesome work guys.
awesome although i do not believe the facility where aloy find her focus to be elyseum, i believe it is more likely a facility for zero dawn; it makes more sense, thinking about it, the hologram of the guy celebrating his son, i believe his familiy was in elyseum and he was in a different facility, and the failure for people to be transported to elyseum led them to eutanasia or opening the door of the facility, i mean, it was simply to small and not at all like a city; i hope the next game will deal with rebuilding gaia, finding and defeating the subordinate function to complete gaia, and findind elyseum and ted faro bunker, futures games have so much room to grow, i mean horizon zero dawn was build only around a part of the united states, there are a lot more land and lost in time cities they can buil upon, maybe find older wonders, the pyramids or the great wall of china, those monuments easily could survive several centuries
Apologies for the late comment. Have you done a video of the end of faro? Wasn't he going to end his days in elysium, but a private one? Really enjoying your videos!
Hey Shaggy! I would point you towards the Lightkeeper vid, it has quite a bit to do with the surrounding Ted post zero day :)
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Wait, now I am more confused. Can't believe I missed this part. So people ordered to work on the project were either given the option of complying with the order, being thrown into prison for the entirety of the project, or to chose to end their lives?
precisely.
Only after agreeing to learn what project Horizon was.
Prior to that they could've just said no thanks and left
@@michaeltrivette1728 ah, that makes more sense.
Once they knew what it was, yes. Because if any of them told the public the truth, the whole project would've failed. Zero Dawn relied on people fighting the robots, and most people would stop fighting if they ever found out there was no hope of their own survival. So anyone who knew the truth couldn't be allowed back into the world. Either they worked on Zero Dawn or they were under arrest.
I don't get why they couldn't grow their own food in the elysium bunkers? Other games like fallout have bunkers that are capable of growing fresh produce and animals, so I don't see what was stopping them from making a fully automated self sustaining argicultural system within the bunkers that could provide food for the survivors? It's not like they needed compler vegetables, they has cryogenically preserved seeds of all kinds of vegetables, so that means if they grew some, they could always reharvest the seeds (more seeds now perhaps) and even grow different ones if they want some variety. And this could all been done via a greenhouse and automated system. I think if they got more people to work on ZD, Elysium could have been a self sustaining bunker capable of hosting humans indefinitely
But what about sunlight and water how can they get those
@@臺灣龍 The most potent pot on earth is grown under super efficient LED's my friend. Water can easily be pulled from the ground and filtered. It's definitely a plot hole in the game considering what they did with a self-automated transforming system. It'd be easy to siphon tech off from that to make a self sustaining crop system.
I think the greatest obstacle here is the genetic diversity. Sure elysium could be a self sustaining colony, but how do u ensure that in a few generations the population does not become too inbred.
Eleuthia was specifically designed keeping this genetic diversity in mind.
It's not that simple, the idea of humanity living for centuries in the underground of a bunker is irrealistic. The vaults of Fallout are not in any way realistics, and Horizon tries to make things more believable, but basically, you have inbreed, oxygen problems, the fact that eventually the systems will start to fail, lack of water (you can't just take of the outside, the biosphere was literally destroyed), even if they lived to see the Faro prague stopped by GAIA, they would never survive long enough to see the world restaured to living conditions. (Sorry for my bad english, i'm not a native speaker)
When you actually think about Elysium and what must have been going through people's heads while being the last living creatures on earth... It makes the actual world and humanity seem kinda pointless and horrible.
Ted probably used his overrides to sever GAIA's contact with Elysium but I like to imagine that 50 years on, the survivors would have picked up and toasted the MINERVA broadcast.
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what do you mean when you say gamma and beta personnel? Like lesser than the alphas? Also how many elysiums were there just one?
+Cynthia Ccc Exactly, lower personnel assigned to projects according to their expertise. Only one massive facility as far as we know :)
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I understand the theory of everyone being medicaly sterilized but I can also see that plan quickly deteriorating. This makes me think that it's possible that the descendants of those sites might be associated with the tribes of the forbidden west or especially the Ravenous Tribe that happened to be cannibalistic.
If that bunker from the beginning is any indication of how things went down, it's likely that a good chunk of what should have been Elysium's carefully controlled population never made it there, meaning they'd have had a surplus of air/water/food/etc. The were smart people and even if they were all sterilized, they just got done figuring out a million different ways to create life from nothing in the span of a year and had decades of time on their hands.
@@davidshovlin2783 You have a point, I mean sterilisation via vasectomy can be reversed very easily and depending upon the procedure used, sometimes even anesthesia or an operating room aren't necessary. Tubectomies are harder to reverse, but their future tech might make it possible.
Maybe this is somehow connected to the youths with the same faces and skin as pale as ash that stories are told about in the forbidden west.
My theory is that those are most likely the multiservitor bors that were connected to the elysium facility, modified by the inhabitants, and now they are the ones that venture outside the facility to fetch food for the descendants of the inhabitants.
One of humanities few sanctuaries to live out their lives through Zero day.
They Announced a new Horizon new dawn game.. not a dlc but a full follow up game..I don't know if it will have the same impact as the original though....unless ofc it has Ted Faro in it that he either Cryo slept or transferred his mind into a machine...maybe then we can get Revenge on him and The Masters....(cause of the glitch and unknown signal)
Spoiler for Horizon Forbidden West….
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Gaia mentions that contact was lost with Elysium after 30 years and there is no additional information. I wonder if not everyone was “sterilized” and children were born, the population INCREASED and as a result, that accelerated resource use and the population starved to death…..
I like to think that Ted Faro sabotaged Elysium, by using his Omega Clearance to kill them off the same way he killed the Alphas.
I know I’m late but... the poem in the beginning, where/ whom is it from?
maybe it's from one of the metal flowers ingame
It's Christian. It's from an hymn called "Amazing Grace". It's very famous and has transcended generations. And it's also in one of the datapoints inside the Bunker Aloy falls into as a child.
@@mariarzyt_3D No, it's not. Someone recites those lyrics in a datapoint inside the bunker Aloy found in Gift from the Past.
Good story telling
I'm going to say now, and I would bet money on this, the bunker Aloy fell into as a child is not Elysium, nor does it have anything to do with Elysium. From the audio logs found, it's clear that the bunkers entirety had been euthanized upon completion of whatever it is they were working on, or as the swarm inched closer.
Zero Dawn would have required thousands of people working in it from bunkers most likely, spread all across the US. Many of the bunkers would have been retrofitted to be used as needed, but not all of them would have been sustainable long term. Only the high level, Alphas and Betas, would have been informed of the true nature of everything to come. The Alphas were residing in Gaia Prime, where they were killed by Faro, and the Betas would have been transported to Elysium. The remaining workers in the various other bunkers, most likely were told the lie like everyone else, and kept in the bunkers as their families were elsewhere, remaining there until the swarm had destroyed the biosphere, causing all remaining humans outside the bunkers to die off from a lack of oxygen and a poisoned landscape. Then, as the bunkers we're not designed for long term living, and they would not seal up enough to prevent the swarm from detecting them, the inhabitants would have been euthanized in order to save them the pain for what was to come if the swarm reached them, or from dying of starvation. Then the bunkers would be shut down and would remain buried over the centuries.
This is what I believe is the bunker that Aloy stumbled into, just another cog in the machine building Zero Dawn, never intended to last past it's usefulness. I hope Elysium is found in Forbidden West, that would be cool to comb through, but I definitely don't believe it was the one in ZD....
The bunker shown in this clip is probably one of the places where the people went who chose for either lock up or ending their lives. Option 2 and 3 in the Project Zero dawn protocol if one did not want to work on it. Elysium was ment for 2000 people. And probably located at what at the time was the safest location possible. Perhaps an island. Or deep underground.
It’s in a space station at the top of a space elevator with a planetary orbital ring
heh, wrong franchise :)
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As I see others have already said: This is not Elysium.
Let posterity judge our actions.
Me: let's hope we never have to do this again.
Elysium is probably in the forbidden west somewhere
Pretty claustrophobic if there were to be plenty of people in it.
Tragically
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