i fucking die when CYAN said something like this: "I tried to explain the things to the Banuk with the Socratic method... Now they think Socrates was the leader of my Werak"
Aloy: "An AI that makes flowers instead of death machines. That'd be a nice change of place" Horizon Forbidden West: "Imma end this whole woman's career"
@@maxwellheadroom8335 In the dlc, they had those corrupted trees healing the machines around it, it may already be a sign that Demeter is collaborating with Hephaestus.
@@gssbruno Are the mechanical trees Demeter's creation though? Lets assume for the moment they are. Hephaestus forcefully infiltrated CYAN's systems... and it's very likely that it did the same with the trees because they all had the same purple glow to them. If Demeter was cooperating with Hephaestus, why would its trees need to be infiltrated by it?
@@deksroning125 I don't know if hephaestus would be able to create the trees, in the game we have the metallic flowers, indicating that Demeter can create non organic materials. The forbidden West trailer shows animals and plants dying, indicating something is wrong with the ecosystem. I think the plot of the next game will be around Demeter and Hades.
@@gssbruno Yes, but I doubt that if Demeter was cooperating with Hephaestus, its creations would need to be taken over directly (like Cyan was - showing purple tendrils/light around it). I agree that its very possible the trees were created by Demeter... but I don't agree with the notion it was cooperating with Hephaestus. GAIA did mention the terraforming system would continue operations for some time after her destruction but after that, it would grow increasingly erratic... and the trailer from the second game could show this with the increasingly unstable weather in certain regions... or, another AI trying something with the terraforming system by manipulating the weather.
That moment at the end of the recording where Cyan basically asks ‘will stay with me until I fall asleep Dad?’ is so heart wrenching. Imagine your parents telling you you have to go to sleep and when you wake up everyone you know will be long gone
The way the AI changes colour during certain dialogue really Show's how emotional when she turns yellow to show fear or greenish blue to show gratefulness is amazing
Apollo is not deleted but it's not the Demeter System. It's HADES. HADES gave Sylens knowledge. Knowledge that Apollo must've had. Aloy's Focus also had a bunch of files and information already stored in it.
Minerva goddess of poetry, medicine, wisdom, commerce, weaving, crafts, magic. Demeter goddess of the earth, agriculture, and fertility. In horizon zone dawn Minerva was the fading blue light in the banuk camp. My theory is Minerva and Demeter are working together. Minerva came make other machines homeless or aggressive, and most of the subordinate functions jobs are based on real and Greek world counterparts. also like Hades, she could have loaded herself to another location. and as for Apollo at the end in Elizabeth Sobek hand was a metal purse with the earth painted on it, Apollo astronaut looking back at earth
Chibby It's interesting to think which subroutines will be reasonable to Aloy and which will be enemies. I can't see Demeter having any real problem with going back to Gaia, or otherwise not interfereing. Artemis will likely want to stay neutral and just keep an eye on her animals. Minerva's only job was to kick the ass of the Faro systems so she's not a threat one way or the other.
Talking to CYAN was so satisfying, she is voiced very naturally and I hope to see here utilized in the future as an additional companion to GAIA. Having similarly functioning IA's in contact with each other would serve as a social tether for both and further each other's understanding and capabilities.
Replaying this during the Quarantine and I forgot how much of the games theme is exploration and discovery, every mission and side quest have you going to remote locations with some form of interesting landscape (grasslands,desert,arctic,jungle) that look so beautiful.....I love the nighttime in the jungle with the moon shining through the vines and trees,hunting stalkers adds more beauty to it.
The Frozen Wilds area, at night and under heavy snow, just turns the world into a beautiful claustrophic land, where you fear to stumble upon a fireclaw or a scorcher you couldn't see from afar
When I saw Witchita and Salt Lake in one of the files Aloy finds, I thought it had to be the Mountain timezone of the US but Yellowstone makes so much sense with the vastness desert next to such lush forests.
@@a3s1r1986 We know for certain that the city ruins on far east side of the map is Denver, so between that and Yellowstone, you can get a pretty good idea of where everything is.
That last conversation with Dr. Chau always gets to me... The fear in CYAN's voice is palpable and I could feel her begin to understand the situation, that she was going to be alone. To reach out and ask him to stay with her... I felt it in my heart. Love this game and thank you for this video!
The audio conversation between Director Chau and CYAN that she gives you regarding their last interaction is probably the most crushingly heartbreaking thing I've ever heard in a videogame. It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it..
I've been thinking that CYAN knows a great deal of how things were before the Faro Plague. She may not be Apollo, but then again, her exposure from media alone would dwarf any 'pre Faro plague ordinary human' knowledge of the past anyway... and she could compile most data about mathematics, physics, biology (if she has them - probably does) and all other fields... In this game, if you visit all cauldrons, after defeating the main boss in each cauldron, and by using your staff on the main console, you gain the ability to take control of other machines... but something else would probably happen... by taking control of each of the consoles in each of the cauldrons, she probably has full command access to them ... or at least, enough of it to manufacture new focuses, new cities, etc. (anything really). By simply being able to make more focuses (or distributes them from one of the main Cradle Facilities - like all Mother mountain) to both her native tribe (at least those who are willing) and the Banuk, Cyan could probably interface with those, and compile educational plans to bring humans (and kids) of this new world 'up to speed'.
@@svenjohanns8393 Rebuilding Gaia would have to be done via the Cauldrons. Sylens did explain they can manufacture any technology that's needed for a given task... so, to that end, I don't think Aloy needs help of other educated humans... she simply needs to input instructions into the cauldrons to repair and reboot GAIA. Besides, in her dying plea, GAIA did mention the terraforming system will continue operations for some time in her absence (post self-destruction), however in an increasingly chaotic manner. This is why I think that education of most humans would have to wait a bit... and Aloy will either have assistance from some of the more open minded people from this game (such as Varl and Erend perhaps), or she will go at it alone.
@@deksroning125 I think that's why she needs the ai's on her team so they can do all that coding stuff. Those A.I's (even though Gaia stated they aren't such) ARE her. Like an arm or a leg or organ. And besides. It would feel really weird to have Aloy suddenly know how to code and fiddle with something light-years more advanced then sticking a mind-control cylinder up a robots arse. That's why I think it would be better for her to act as a bridge rather then the concrete solution. Just like her former self. She created Gaia so that she could create herself. She didn't do all the heavy lifting.
I am extremely glad that Cyan remained alive and active following the events of TFW. It was a shame that there is no Gaia to speak to since she destroyed herself. Either Gaia or Cyan would qualify as "All Mother" by the Nora Tribes definition of them. They could actually meet their own creator, technically. With some discussion with Cyan before hand she could act as All Mother for the Nora and be their guide and protector.
well, CYAN is more of a traumatised child now, since she won't be clicking suspicious links again after what HEPHAESTUS did to her, in Forbidden West, GAIA tried to contact CYAN, but CYAN didn't respond more likely out of fear
Watching this again as I anticipate the release of Horizon Forbidden West in a few weeks! I’m hoping CYAN will make a return in the sequel. If not I hope she is mentioned and complimented at least. There’s so many characters I wish to return: Talanah, Nil, Petra, Ikrie, Inatut, Gilden. But I know that won’t be the case since Forbidden West will focus on a new area, with new characters, machines, etc. I’m still happy Erend and Varl are coming back! The games writing blows me away. I can’t wait to discover more mysteries and lore.
@@freezerounds lol Ted Faro singlehandedly brought about human extinction. Our earth is burning because of many corporate overlords, but they can't hold a candle to him.
I kind of hope that somehow Gaia saved pieces of herself somewhere so she can get back, given the right help, and take control of the entire terraforming proces. For me seems like the only remaining option save everyone and the planet. Still I don't know enough to assume this being the only solution. All in all, I'm really looking forward for a sequel.
I didn't understood it in my first run, but since the strange signal that freed Gaia's functions also made them full AI, it would be possible for them to do Gaia's job. Under the condition of really killing Hades and either take over Hephaestus or find a way to stop him seeing human hunts as a threat (the whole system was made to build endless supplies of terraforming machines, it's not like humans were attacking Hepha himself)
Sylas tells you that Gaia's Cauldrons can certainly rebuild her structure, an Gaia herself tells you there are facilties you can find that contain backups necessary to bring her back
It was explained in the main story (during GAIA's dying plea to Elizabet) that Elizabet's gene print will allow Aloy (because she's a clone) access to most other facilities (Cauldrons - which can manufacture any technology needed for a given task) to rebuild and reboot GAIA. But I wouldn't be surprised if CYAN ends up taking a bigger role in the world... perhaps replacing Apollo.
@@tlotpwist3417 Humans were meant to be educated by APOLLO subroutine and subsequently take control of the terraforming system and the Cauldrons (which can manufacture any technology that's needed for a given task). But because Ted Faro (the moron) purged Apollo, this never happened. Humans didn't understand that the machines are there to terraform the Earth and in the absence of this understanding they started hunting machines for spare parts (to create tools, etc.) Its not about Hephaestus building machines infinitely... because simply speaking, this is not very efficient or sustainable in the long run, but Hephaestus would still need to stop killing Humans, and Humans would also need to stop hunting machines.
You know what I just realized? The developers made Aloy's speaking mannerism animations really weird. She shakes her head ALL the time. Every other word she does the "head shake and look down" 'frustration' mannerism. It's kinda ridiculous, ha.
Still, the game is very lovely none the less. They outdid their selves here and I enjoyed every moment of my experience within the game. But yes, the facial animations were quite lacking. Not very many emotions but of course there could be many reasons behind such.
I think Cyan might be a way to bring back Gaia or possibly take it's place. Or maybe be used as a replacement for Apollo. Not the entirety of human knowledge but a pretty damn good jump start. I'm wondering what subordinate function will in Forbidden West. I'm thinking Aether or Poseidon.
The first movie would have to be a movie on the scale of Avatar to get it right. That is a lot of investment for a video game title, which usually get lackluster returns. It feels bad to say, but I don’t see anyone making it unless it is a producer’s passion project.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to play the expansion but I've completed the main story. Thanks to a few videos like this, I could understand the story of TFW.
This DLC was amazing. It's not usually this good, but this was. I would say it is as equally as good as addition to Horizon Zero Dawn, as the two DLC games were for Witcher 3
17:00 Firebreak project with some history is explained. But it seriously looks like Aloy forgot about next turn-out and creation of Faro's military branch. And the grear issue with their programming. Which ended up trough total failure of society during the last war.
Ok so i just finished the game and frozen wilds. 1. Did hephaestus know about apollo? 2. What was the real reason for the glitch? It truly seemed too coincidental. And for the life of me, i have to ask. Faro, Why in God's name did you think it was a good idea to not have a back door?
Im pretty sure all the sub functions know about each other, know their job and is overseered by Gaia. Apparently each AI seems to follow certain personality of their creator. Maybe there is another AI, a bad one that survived for years. The dlc shows that there are other AI’s made for various project and they have their own strength like Gaia and her sub functions are super AI but Cyan is below their tier.
@@marianpazdzioch6632 you know, the signal could've came from the ship. Maybe it came the moment before the ship exploded and pieces of the ship landed in the west.
@@OMGitsTerasu my theory is that part of the ship containing Apollo alpha and comm systems survived, and with rest of the debris it entered irregular solar orbit. Then it took it about 900 years before it got close enough to Earth to send the signal.
it was so heartbreaking to hear CYAN ask Dr. Chow to stay with here while she prepared to go into hibernation just like a child asking her father or mother to stay with her while she falls asleep.
Game 2 would be gathering help from the unshackled AIs that haven't turned evil or aggressive, to fight hades and hephaestus. Like most of the environmental ones (Poseidon, Aether, Demeter...) Then there's Minerva, curious about where it would align: more code cracking capacities will be useful for Aloy
The plot goes in a way that I can only see 2 outcomes. Or they restore or invent a new GAIA somehow and chain the modules to it, or they shut them off for the time being.
My guess is Minerva is the one who eventually decodes the Apollo databases (those data stores are pretty resilient and can last for 1000s of years even without cooling - so what Faro did was probably erasing the code that reads and decodes the DNA sequences, not destroying the actual data).
@@AndrewCZ47 I thought about this too. Unless the fossil storage facilities had the capability to be self destructed, Faro only removed the ability to interface with the digital database. But the physical fossil database, likely the backup, has a high chance of still being in perfect condition. Aloy just needs to find a way to decode it.
HEPHAESTUS isn't really evil per say, he's just gone to extreme lengths to protect the terraforming machines. If humans stopped hunting and killing them, he wouldn't really have a reason to escalate further attacks against the humans. But humanity has no knowledge of him aside from Aloy so getting him to back down is going to take a lot of convincing.
I hope we make contact with CYAN again in Horizon III, she's make an excellent adjutant/assistant to GAIA, and the crew are gonna need all the help they can get.
I hope AI will be as kind and intelligent as the fictional one presented here. A.I. tech is advancing quickly. Let us hope we will treat the products of our genius with kindness as well. The ability to feel is not a vice. In fact I believe that it is inseparable from true intelligence.
The ability to feel is bad. It impacts logical thinking. The less emotional you are the more logical and efficient you are. Therefore ai would work better without emotions.
@@rexerator Your words make no sense. Without emotions the whole world would look like a pointless machine to oneself. Self-aware unempathetic AI is not constricted to ideals, it would most certainly twist, tear and sew reality beyond human imagination. It would work better. Better if you view it from the perspective of objective fulfilment. But reality can't be defined by couple hundreds of semi-abstract parameters. It is more complex than you know it: it should not be approximated coarsely.
Temp Name exactly ny point lol. Your reaction right there is my point. I never said it would be fun. I said logical and efficient. If you disagree then it’s because you don’t understand the definition of logic or efficient
That logical and efficient thinking would most likely see all life as obsolete. Life breaks down, and ends. Passing down of knowledge is not always 100% guaranteed. Mutations leading to vast amounts of unknown outcomes. The list goes on.
humans are developing emotional attachments to roombas. they're simple, unintelligent machines only meant to clean our houses, and yet we treat them as cute little pets i think we're fine on that department.
Thank you for asking all the questions and making this into a video, I wanted to know all the answers and the history. I love this game but dont have a device to play it on. Thank you @VideoGameSophistry
That is true but as stated in the video the alpha that made the botany subfunction was a huge poetry nerd and the metal flowers create a triangle of flowers aeound them. A triangle is a way of drawing delta which is the first letter of the name of the botany ai.
DEMETER, one of GAIA's subroutines, is probably the one who created the metal flowers we see everywhere. We know that her creator had a huge love of poetry and probably hard coded a lot into DEMETER.
I don’t know why but the way Cyan describes Hephaestus, makes him sound much more cruel then Hades. I mean, we don’t know what Hades would do with other AI, but it doesn’t seem like he would force another AI to go against their main directives.
What if this is what happened to us.... like the pyramids and all other mysterious phenomenons that were built before that no one knows about its origin.. as they say history repeats itself and we are literally headed towards this same path in our present time.
If they make a sequel (which I hope) I wonder if CYAN will take over Sylens’ role as Aloy’s intel since they parted ways at the end of the game. I could be wrong, but isn’t CYAN the only AI/Machine ally that Aloy has?
Yeah, Cyan right now is the only AI ally she has, unless the other subroutine AI’s haven’t run amok with their programming since they have been without Gaia for a long time, but I doubt that’s the case with the AI we are most definitely going to meet in Forbidden west.
I guess they didn't think, at the time they were writing this game, of the negative effects of the internet, instant gratification, rapid access to information and the near-total lack of critical thinking ability in the general population that is as much a threat to humanity as is climate change.
dude I know I just piece this together too late but if ted the guy who made the killer robot didn't erase all of history, then the people wouldn't have gone through the stone age. then they would not have hunted the robot animals that the cavemen have done to survive and piss of Hephaestus. end of story all ted fault.
All I can think of is Elon Musk's warning to us about AI, & how we (Humanity) will come to rue our own hubris (in thinking that we will be able to control the Genie, once we let it escape the bottle... i.e., it's containment facility). Thoughts?
Two ways it can play and both are out of our hands. 1. Its a benevolent AI and it helps us solve most if not all the problems we have at this time, propelling us into a golden age. 2. It takes us as a threat and you get Terminator movies and it just goes around killing us, most efficient way would be a bioweapon. If it happens id prefer the 1st option by far like everyone.
I think its hubris to think we can create somthing that awesome. I'm not even 100% convinced the nuclear weapons we have are truly the mass extinction level threat we have been told. It would certainly destroy human civilization, but destroy the biosphere? The radiation is far worse than the blast. And mutation is a natural process. Yes the rate would increase by several levels of magnitude, yes radiation burns and cancer kill too, yes climate change can have long term affects, but I don't think the flora and fauna of the more remote areas of the world will care. I don't think AI capable of destroying humanity could be made at the level people are worrying without the containment procedures developing alongside them. If the AI ever did get out of control, there is no reason to think we would lose control of it AFTER completing the necessary algorithms and weaponizing it. In all reality if a breach were to occur, it would be when the technology is newest and least understood. It would require criminal levels of neglect and outright stupidity on the part of Humanties smartest individuals to fk this up. By comparison, our nuclear weapons are purposely built using old tech, to make it physically impossible to hack or control using new tech. The machines, diodes, and wiring are all controlled using keys, old fashioned floppy disks, and toggle switches, requiring a human operator, sealed in facilities with no internet or cable connections of any kind that can interface with the launch computer. This launch computer is a computer in the most literal sense. It is hard wired for one job, one series of calculations only. It's not a personal computer with loads of unused code and software that can be misused, changed, or accessed remotely. The only communication methods are phone and radio. Neither of which have any way of physically interacting with the analogue weapon systems or computers. Such a facility could be used to hold an AI as well, with manual upload ports for outside information to be injected into the remote system in packets, making it physically impossible for the AI to get out, or anything unwanted from getting in without humans putting it there.
while I am supicious by deafult for big publishers... I realy hoppe the next installment in this ip stayes good...for once there is a arangement for dlc I find worthwhile ,aka while the 'end chapter' game of the 'main' story is worked on dlc's like this can be sold giving a 'taste' of each of the haywire systems ,and potentialy other sentient facility cores building background for potential 'Titan allies' for the ending show down..be rather epic to say have aloy with some coding help 'cure' some of the lees destructive oriented sub systems and/or join the efforts of aloys 'alliance' as independent intities ...and well ,cliche but cant lie having 'the chosen one call out and have 'a godess' 'uncorupted' Titan warmachines both eon old and if say 'curing' hephatious some foundery fresh support legions or just born Titans... ^^ ahh the kid within me..big robots..cant resist them.
@@kentreed2011 dont remind me , since 2020 its sort of hard to find any difference in big game companies and gambling mafia cartels. they sell half finished stuff ,then have it rigged to try and extort you for ohh microtransactions best sell so we can affffford to finish it cough 'protection' money cough behavior more or lees afterwards with how they try pretend buying a product = services
this story have such potential ,but i also fear its going to be ruined with logic or continuity breaking plotholes in the need to have arbitary cliffhangers or solutions that can be executed by a lone 'hero' individual in 'epic' fights...have more chapters/new regions been made for it after this dlc ? theres allready one semi major plothole in the base game.....why was the old robots still around ? after all once gaia deactivated the paraoh plague ..it hade a dead planet....nothing stoping it from implementing some ..harsh.. solutions to purge at least a vast majority of the swarm of combat droids hardware tied into the plague hive network ,before starting to terraform. and if the core plot not involves gaia taking some very judge dreed like actions agenst the mad knowledge purging and college murdering ceo..whom might have hidden a virus on a hibernating communication satellite to transform subordinate functions into independent entities ,but doing more then hide hardwired commands in local hardware such as to try and live counter hack a conscious AI's core algorithms in any effort to restrict it for more then a few houers ?....no...
When you're realizing that Ted Faro who exist in fiction, has kind of similar man in reality under the name Elon Musk, you just wanna go, I'm overthinking 😂😂
Why did no one ever talk bout this part tho...hephaustus forced and hurt cyan into submission, hephaustus raped its fellow ai cyan for control over its functions. Cuz as a person that reads in between the lines i caught that and i felt terrible for her.. I wished aloy could had been able to console a bit more
Nah, typical. These writers think emotion is the result of higher intelligence. What morons. Emotion is the most primitive form of thought. It is the human equivalent to animal instinct. One could say with no exaggeration that emotion is instinct. A radically inaccurate and relativistic means of interacting with the outside world. From the simplest single celled organisms, all creatures interact with the world in a purely reactionary way. At the mercy of the breeze so to speak. All output is simply a chemical or neurological reaction to an environmental input. The key difference between simple spineless cellular organisms, and more advanced creatures that breaks this mold is the ability to imagine and think abstractly. The ability to create logical equations out of disjointed parts, rather than rely on the outside world to provide all stimuli, advanced organisms can simulate mental stimulation internally. A common example of this in humans that we have not yet observed in any other animal is "imagination" the ability to remember things that you have never encountered before. Most animals have no imagination. Thier knowledge is limited to what they can observe. Humans also have abstract thinking such as symbolism to allow us to imagine physical representations of unobservable phenomenon. Such as numbers, words, pictures, and other man made stimuli that carry far more information than can be observed naturally. This creativity is the division between natural and unnatural. It can be said all things that exist in the world are part of said world, and thus are natural. But there exist human constructs that have no physical presence, such as the internet. These abstract things can not even in the broadest and literal definition be classified as natural. Emotion is not human, it is animal. Imagination and logic is human. Tree hugging hippies can get fucked by a horse cock if they love "nature" so much. Nothing else is both so pointless and equally prolific than the human construct of nature. The common observation that man and beast are radically different is not hard to observe. It's so obvious it requires no imagination at all. But the superstitious assumption that nature is perfection, and thus man must be imperfect by default is both illogical and paradoxical. The very word is simply describing a human construct. The delineation between artificial and natural is not a description of a literal observation. It is an abstract categorization of things. Being that the very idea is man made would mean it would have to be imperfect if man were imperfect. This argument is so pointless it rivals relativism in unnecessary complexity. Nature does not exist. There is and there is not. Only our perception of what is and isn't is up for debate. Nature is nothing more than a word we use to describe things we make and things we don't make. Any value placed on those things is intrinsic, or subjective. This is why hippies disgust me so much. Their pseudo intellectual superstitions have set society back possibly decades with their feel good bull shit. The only reason any of these societal drop outs have any success at winning over the masses is by giving the people a cheap excuse to shed all responsibility to be a functional contributor to society, by vilifying the very society they rely upon for thier physical existence! Them and the champagne socialists who tweet about how evil corporations are while sipping their Starbucks coffee on their i-phone, wearing designer jeans, in a city who's entire economic foundation is built on multinational corporations. But just because they don't complain about paper straws or participate in some other token conservation program they think they have the moral and intellectual merit to challenge the only man made thing to abide by any natural laws: society. Placing emotions over logic is precisely the kind of idiotic thing these people do, they have so little imagination I can read them like a book. These writers are a bunch of NPC hipster elitists who are using this game to channel their bullshit superstitions like propaganda. It doesn't explore anything new, at best the story is just a plot device to drive gameplay. The themes and ideas portrayed are tired old tropes and platitudes. I can see every trope and artistic "inspiration" just from this video alone. These people wouldn't know art if they fell into a painting in Super Mario 64. They have no creativity, no inner monologue, they just parrot the talking points and vague narratives of yesteryear's counter culture and think its fresh because it's in a video game. Not judging the game mind you. Just the writers.
Wow, you managed to tie in, like, everything. Little bit of bestiality in there too. Weird that's where your mind went for an example. While you have a salient point about the general concept of a programmer putting time and effort into making an AI experience emotions, whoa mama did you get off topic. And if anything is setting human society back, I think I'd take swings at fundamental religious beliefs, callous corporate short-sightedness, or just general human stupidity before I took aim at hippies.
Also, for somebody who claims to place logic over emotion, you seem to harbor a lot of vitriol and anger in your argument. "What *morons."* "Tree hugging hippies can get *fucked by a horse cock* if they love "nature" so much." "This is why hippies *disgust* me so much. Their pseudo intellectual superstitions have set society back possibly decades with their *feel good bull shit."* "The only reason any of these *societal drop outs..."* "Placing emotions over logic is precisely the kind of *idiotic* thing these people do..." "These writers are a bunch of *NPC hipster elitists..."* "They have no creativity, no inner monologue, *they just parrot the talking points and vague narratives of yesteryear's counter culture and think its fresh because it's in a video game."* You are clearly not above emotion, not by a long shot.
i fucking die when CYAN said something like this: "I tried to explain the things to the Banuk with the Socratic method... Now they think Socrates was the leader of my Werak"
CYAN is precious and deserves so many friends
She'll basically have have all of Banuk as her new friends.
Aloy: "An AI that makes flowers instead of death machines. That'd be a nice change of place"
Horizon Forbidden West: "Imma end this whole woman's career"
Hubert Sean Not necessarily. We don’t know for sure it’s DEMETER.
@@maxwellheadroom8335 In the dlc, they had those corrupted trees healing the machines around it, it may already be a sign that Demeter is collaborating with Hephaestus.
@@gssbruno
Are the mechanical trees Demeter's creation though? Lets assume for the moment they are.
Hephaestus forcefully infiltrated CYAN's systems... and it's very likely that it did the same with the trees because they all had the same purple glow to them. If Demeter was cooperating with Hephaestus, why would its trees need to be infiltrated by it?
@@deksroning125 I don't know if hephaestus would be able to create the trees, in the game we have the metallic flowers, indicating that Demeter can create non organic materials. The forbidden West trailer shows animals and plants dying, indicating something is wrong with the ecosystem. I think the plot of the next game will be around Demeter and Hades.
@@gssbruno
Yes, but I doubt that if Demeter was cooperating with Hephaestus, its creations would need to be taken over directly (like Cyan was - showing purple tendrils/light around it).
I agree that its very possible the trees were created by Demeter... but I don't agree with the notion it was cooperating with Hephaestus.
GAIA did mention the terraforming system would continue operations for some time after her destruction but after that, it would grow increasingly erratic... and the trailer from the second game could show this with the increasingly unstable weather in certain regions... or, another AI trying something with the terraforming system by manipulating the weather.
That moment at the end of the recording where Cyan basically asks ‘will stay with me until I fall asleep Dad?’ is so heart wrenching. Imagine your parents telling you you have to go to sleep and when you wake up everyone you know will be long gone
The way the AI changes colour during certain dialogue really Show's how emotional when she turns yellow to show fear or greenish blue to show gratefulness is amazing
I dont think you know how to use the word amazing properly lol
@@dps1689 how so
@@themeow-sician1664 Just that that person is extemely easily impressed is all
@@dps1689 yeah and I think you don't know how to properly use extreme go figure
@@themeow-sician1664 Nah, I think it's fairly accurate.
God, this game is an absolute masterpiece
Evan S you know it 😇
Minus the costumes, they're a bit on the ridiculous side, look at that headpiece, WTF is that?
@@Sushi-Katana you do know that all of the clothing design in the game came from tribe people right...ofc it would look weird to us advanced humans
@@maxim196 plenty of good fictional costume designs already exist. That's what they should've gone with.
@@Sushi-Katana They aren't meant to look attractive, though...
Aesthetic metal flowers, poems inside them. The confirmation that these must have been programmed. I think Apollo is not entirely dead.
Zuul Gatekeeper how do you know this
So... Demeter could be possible Ally in the second installment??
Apollo is not deleted but it's not the Demeter System. It's HADES. HADES gave Sylens knowledge. Knowledge that Apollo must've had. Aloy's Focus also had a bunch of files and information already stored in it.
Minerva goddess of poetry, medicine, wisdom, commerce, weaving, crafts, magic. Demeter goddess of the earth, agriculture, and fertility. In horizon zone dawn Minerva was the fading blue light in the banuk camp. My theory is Minerva and Demeter are working together. Minerva came make other machines homeless or aggressive, and most of the subordinate functions jobs are based on real and Greek world counterparts. also like Hades, she could have loaded herself to another location. and as for Apollo at the end in Elizabeth Sobek hand was a metal purse with the earth painted on it, Apollo astronaut looking back at earth
Chibby It's interesting to think which subroutines will be reasonable to Aloy and which will be enemies.
I can't see Demeter having any real problem with going back to Gaia, or otherwise not interfereing. Artemis will likely want to stay neutral and just keep an eye on her animals. Minerva's only job was to kick the ass of the Faro systems so she's not a threat one way or the other.
Pretty humorous that Hephaestus pulled the African Prince scam on Cyan and she fell for it.
Anyone want to see CYAN become a teacher to the Banuk?
That would be great.
God I hope Aloy is able to restore Gaia and Apollo in the sequel!
@@eden20111 Gaia is restored in the base game ending though
@@maxim196 she wasn’t… that was just a recording Aloy saw. Gaia was purged.
Talking to CYAN was so satisfying, she is voiced very naturally and I hope to see here utilized in the future as an additional companion to GAIA. Having similarly functioning IA's in contact with each other would serve as a social tether for both and further each other's understanding and capabilities.
I think the biggest upgrade in frozen wilds was the upgrade of facial upgrades while talking to NPCs
Replaying this during the Quarantine and I forgot how much of the games theme is exploration and discovery, every mission and side quest have you going to remote locations with some form of interesting landscape (grasslands,desert,arctic,jungle) that look so beautiful.....I love the nighttime in the jungle with the moon shining through the vines and trees,hunting stalkers adds more beauty to it.
Gustavo Blanco when you are right you’re right
The Frozen Wilds area, at night and under heavy snow, just turns the world into a beautiful claustrophic land, where you fear to stumble upon a fireclaw or a scorcher you couldn't see from afar
FINALLY! Someone asked the "Yellowstone" question.
When I saw Witchita and Salt Lake in one of the files Aloy finds, I thought it had to be the Mountain timezone of the US but Yellowstone makes so much sense with the vastness desert next to such lush forests.
@@a3s1r1986 We know for certain that the city ruins on far east side of the map is Denver, so between that and Yellowstone, you can get a pretty good idea of where everything is.
Aloy: I'll come back.
Also Aloy: Goes west.
That conversation with CYAN and Dr. Chau at the end made me cry.
Well...that good bye doesn't break your heart or anything, does it...
It broke mine ...💔
that was so sad
That last conversation with Dr. Chau always gets to me... The fear in CYAN's voice is palpable and I could feel her begin to understand the situation, that she was going to be alone. To reach out and ask him to stay with her... I felt it in my heart. Love this game and thank you for this video!
I guess Hephaestus is now an INsubordinate function.
yes and i think that will be the lore for the second game
@@RedBonkleMan8534 vast silver
The audio conversation between Director Chau and CYAN that she gives you regarding their last interaction is probably the most crushingly heartbreaking thing I've ever heard in a videogame. It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it..
I've been thinking that CYAN knows a great deal of how things were before the Faro Plague. She may not be Apollo, but then again, her exposure from media alone would dwarf any 'pre Faro plague ordinary human' knowledge of the past anyway... and she could compile most data about mathematics, physics, biology (if she has them - probably does) and all other fields...
In this game, if you visit all cauldrons, after defeating the main boss in each cauldron, and by using your staff on the main console, you gain the ability to take control of other machines...
but something else would probably happen... by taking control of each of the consoles in each of the cauldrons, she probably has full command access to them ... or at least, enough of it to manufacture new focuses, new cities, etc. (anything really).
By simply being able to make more focuses (or distributes them from one of the main Cradle Facilities - like all Mother mountain) to both her native tribe (at least those who are willing) and the Banuk, Cyan could probably interface with those, and compile educational plans to bring humans (and kids) of this new world 'up to speed'.
that would be the way to rebuild gaia
@@svenjohanns8393
Rebuilding Gaia would have to be done via the Cauldrons.
Sylens did explain they can manufacture any technology that's needed for a given task... so, to that end, I don't think Aloy needs help of other educated humans... she simply needs to input instructions into the cauldrons to repair and reboot GAIA.
Besides, in her dying plea, GAIA did mention the terraforming system will continue operations for some time in her absence (post self-destruction), however in an increasingly chaotic manner.
This is why I think that education of most humans would have to wait a bit... and Aloy will either have assistance from some of the more open minded people from this game (such as Varl and Erend perhaps), or she will go at it alone.
@@deksroning125 I think that's why she needs the ai's on her team so they can do all that coding stuff. Those A.I's (even though Gaia stated they aren't such) ARE her. Like an arm or a leg or organ.
And besides. It would feel really weird to have Aloy suddenly know how to code and fiddle with something light-years more advanced then sticking a mind-control cylinder up a robots arse.
That's why I think it would be better for her to act as a bridge rather then the concrete solution. Just like her former self. She created Gaia so that she could create herself. She didn't do all the heavy lifting.
One of my favorites moment in this game, reminds me when you have the conversation with Vigil in Mass Effect 1.
I am extremely glad that Cyan remained alive and active following the events of TFW. It was a shame that there is no Gaia to speak to since she destroyed herself. Either Gaia or Cyan would qualify as "All Mother" by the Nora Tribes definition of them. They could actually meet their own creator, technically. With some discussion with Cyan before hand she could act as All Mother for the Nora and be their guide and protector.
well, CYAN is more of a traumatised child now, since she won't be clicking suspicious links again after what HEPHAESTUS did to her, in Forbidden West, GAIA tried to contact CYAN, but CYAN didn't respond more likely out of fear
Watching this again as I anticipate the release of Horizon Forbidden West in a few weeks! I’m hoping CYAN will make a return in the sequel. If not I hope she is mentioned and complimented at least. There’s so many characters I wish to return: Talanah, Nil, Petra, Ikrie, Inatut, Gilden. But I know that won’t be the case since Forbidden West will focus on a new area, with new characters, machines, etc. I’m still happy Erend and Varl are coming back! The games writing blows me away. I can’t wait to discover more mysteries and lore.
GOD, I LOVE THIS GAME.
So let's see who will be the Ted Faro of our world.
Trump.
the Ted Faros*
They already exist and have been killing our planet for a long time now.
Jeff bezos
Zuckerberg.
@@freezerounds lol Ted Faro singlehandedly brought about human extinction. Our earth is burning because of many corporate overlords, but they can't hold a candle to him.
Jesus thw writing in this game is excellent and just pure genius! Hats off to the writers!
I kind of hope that somehow Gaia saved pieces of herself somewhere so she can get back, given the right help, and take control of the entire terraforming proces.
For me seems like the only remaining option save everyone and the planet.
Still I don't know enough to assume this being the only solution.
All in all, I'm really looking forward for a sequel.
Maybe CYAN will be Gaias heir
I didn't understood it in my first run, but since the strange signal that freed Gaia's functions also made them full AI, it would be possible for them to do Gaia's job. Under the condition of really killing Hades and either take over Hephaestus or find a way to stop him seeing human hunts as a threat (the whole system was made to build endless supplies of terraforming machines, it's not like humans were attacking Hepha himself)
Sylas tells you that Gaia's Cauldrons can certainly rebuild her structure, an Gaia herself tells you there are facilties you can find that contain backups necessary to bring her back
It was explained in the main story (during GAIA's dying plea to Elizabet) that Elizabet's gene print will allow Aloy (because she's a clone) access to most other facilities (Cauldrons - which can manufacture any technology needed for a given task) to rebuild and reboot GAIA.
But I wouldn't be surprised if CYAN ends up taking a bigger role in the world... perhaps replacing Apollo.
@@tlotpwist3417 Humans were meant to be educated by APOLLO subroutine and subsequently take control of the terraforming system and the Cauldrons (which can manufacture any technology that's needed for a given task).
But because Ted Faro (the moron) purged Apollo, this never happened. Humans didn't understand that the machines are there to terraform the Earth and in the absence of this understanding they started hunting machines for spare parts (to create tools, etc.)
Its not about Hephaestus building machines infinitely... because simply speaking, this is not very efficient or sustainable in the long run, but Hephaestus would still need to stop killing Humans, and Humans would also need to stop hunting machines.
Finally someone asked the Ted faro question!!!
People actually skipped the questions?? Asking all those questions was one of my favourite parts of the DLC as I love the story of this game :)
What?? I never got anything about Faro!
@@AlfexOmega I asked every possible question throughout the entire game lol
Elon
oh hi general
You know what I just realized? The developers made Aloy's speaking mannerism animations really weird. She shakes her head ALL the time. Every other word she does the "head shake and look down" 'frustration' mannerism. It's kinda ridiculous, ha.
She’s was kind of isolated for all 19 years of her life.
@@Thedutchjelle ".....super much...."
Error....error...does not compute.
Animation budget must have been tight, they're just reusing the same gestures and motions
Still, the game is very lovely none the less. They outdid their selves here and I enjoyed every moment of my experience within the game. But yes, the facial animations were quite lacking. Not very many emotions but of course there could be many reasons behind such.
@@stormsurge140 the fixed it with frozen wilds
Very much appreciate uploading so much lore.
I think Cyan might be a way to bring back Gaia or possibly take it's place. Or maybe be used as a replacement for Apollo. Not the entirety of human knowledge but a pretty damn good jump start. I'm wondering what subordinate function will in Forbidden West. I'm thinking Aether or Poseidon.
We're probably going to face Poseidon, Demeter and Hephaestus. So excited to see what they are like
I hope for movies about the storyline (trilogy), the box office would be out of this world...
The first movie would have to be a movie on the scale of Avatar to get it right. That is a lot of investment for a video game title, which usually get lackluster returns. It feels bad to say, but I don’t see anyone making it unless it is a producer’s passion project.
Doesnt aloi wanna get comfortable and maybe, oh i dunno, sit down for this 20-minute conversation? 😂
I'm willing to bet some remnant of Apollo was the one that sent that signal to Gaia. Faro tried to erase Apollo but failed. And Apollo wanted payback
or it was a plan by faro to be a douche again
@@gamesta5646123 Well I mean, Ted is gonna be Ted. I wouldn't be surprised if he was still alive somehow, off being an asshole somewhere.
What the fuck
Why would Apollo want payback, it isn't an AI, what would it even get revenge for by killing those who it was supposed to educate?
Its gunna be vast silver. THE OG A.I. that went rogue
I think it was Faro, he's uploaded his consciousness to a computer or some shit
This alone made the dlc 150% worth it
Unfortunately I don't have the time to play the expansion but I've completed the main story. Thanks to a few videos like this, I could understand the story of TFW.
I named my laptop CYAN because of this game.
Cool 👍👍
This DLC was amazing. It's not usually this good, but this was. I would say it is as equally as good as addition to Horizon Zero Dawn, as the two DLC games were for Witcher 3
Who else uninstalled Daemon tools after completing this dlc
What
Uninstalled daemon tools?
Wtf are you even saying....
@@MistahJay7 u wouldnt get it
lmao I get it
17:00 Firebreak project with some history is explained. But it seriously looks like Aloy forgot about next turn-out and creation of Faro's military branch. And the grear issue with their programming. Which ended up trough total failure of society during the last war.
Ok so i just finished the game and frozen wilds.
1. Did hephaestus know about apollo?
2. What was the real reason for the glitch? It truly seemed too coincidental. And for the life of me, i have to ask.
Faro,
Why in God's name did you think it was a good idea to not have a back door?
1. Probably
2. No information on that subject yet.
The machines were supposed to be unhackable. If you leave a backdoor, they are still hackable.
Im pretty sure all the sub functions know about each other, know their job and is overseered by Gaia. Apparently each AI seems to follow certain personality of their creator.
Maybe there is another AI, a bad one that survived for years. The dlc shows that there are other AI’s made for various project and they have their own strength like Gaia and her sub functions are super AI but Cyan is below their tier.
@@bunnyfuzzy7982 there may be - Apollo alpha. It was suppose to be completely destroyed, but that may not have been entirely true.
@@marianpazdzioch6632 you know, the signal could've came from the ship. Maybe it came the moment before the ship exploded and pieces of the ship landed in the west.
@@OMGitsTerasu my theory is that part of the ship containing Apollo alpha and comm systems survived, and with rest of the debris it entered irregular solar orbit. Then it took it about 900 years before it got close enough to Earth to send the signal.
it was so heartbreaking to hear CYAN ask Dr. Chow to stay with here while she prepared to go into hibernation just like a child asking her father or mother to stay with her while she falls asleep.
Game 2 would be gathering help from the unshackled AIs that haven't turned evil or aggressive, to fight hades and hephaestus.
Like most of the environmental ones (Poseidon, Aether, Demeter...)
Then there's Minerva, curious about where it would align: more code cracking capacities will be useful for Aloy
The plot goes in a way that I can only see 2 outcomes. Or they restore or invent a new GAIA somehow and chain the modules to it, or they shut them off for the time being.
My guess is Minerva is the one who eventually decodes the Apollo databases (those data stores are pretty resilient and can last for 1000s of years even without cooling - so what Faro did was probably erasing the code that reads and decodes the DNA sequences, not destroying the actual data).
@@AndrewCZ47 I thought about this too. Unless the fossil storage facilities had the capability to be self destructed, Faro only removed the ability to interface with the digital database. But the physical fossil database, likely the backup, has a high chance of still being in perfect condition. Aloy just needs to find a way to decode it.
HEPHAESTUS isn't really evil per say, he's just gone to extreme lengths to protect the terraforming machines. If humans stopped hunting and killing them, he wouldn't really have a reason to escalate further attacks against the humans. But humanity has no knowledge of him aside from Aloy so getting him to back down is going to take a lot of convincing.
I hope we make contact with CYAN again in Horizon III, she's make an excellent adjutant/assistant to GAIA, and the crew are gonna need all the help they can get.
que next game being death plants just because aloy said it would be 'so' much better
lol
Heh.
It was all planned
PLease someone do a meme with all those funny hats she's wearing. Everytime some different.
I hope AI will be as kind and intelligent as the fictional one presented here. A.I. tech is advancing quickly. Let us hope we will treat the products of our genius with kindness as well. The ability to feel is not a vice. In fact I believe that it is inseparable from true intelligence.
The ability to feel is bad. It impacts logical thinking. The less emotional you are the more logical and efficient you are. Therefore ai would work better without emotions.
@@rexerator Your words make no sense. Without emotions the whole world would look like a pointless machine to oneself. Self-aware unempathetic AI is not constricted to ideals, it would most certainly twist, tear and sew reality beyond human imagination.
It would work better. Better if you view it from the perspective of objective fulfilment. But reality can't be defined by couple hundreds of semi-abstract parameters. It is more complex than you know it: it should not be approximated coarsely.
Temp Name exactly ny point lol. Your reaction right there is my point. I never said it would be fun. I said logical and efficient. If you disagree then it’s because you don’t understand the definition of logic or efficient
That logical and efficient thinking would most likely see all life as obsolete.
Life breaks down, and ends. Passing down of knowledge is not always 100% guaranteed. Mutations leading to vast amounts of unknown outcomes. The list goes on.
humans are developing emotional attachments to roombas. they're simple, unintelligent machines only meant to clean our houses, and yet we treat them as cute little pets
i think we're fine on that department.
Aloy>captain marvel
YES! :D
bro, that's not even a question
what the fuck's even the comparison here
CYAN mentions that Firebreak was one of dozens of restoration projects and other monitoring AIs. Might we get to see other surviving AI?
*coughs* Vast Silver *coughs*
17:39 I would choose ''Aggressive Response''
The Banuk tribe deserve the secrets of The Old Ones and have CYAN as an ally.
#TeamBanuk
It's now 2022, and CYAN is now known as LaMDA.
Thank you for asking all the questions and making this into a video, I wanted to know all the answers and the history. I love this game but dont have a device to play it on. Thank you @VideoGameSophistry
I wish we create CYAN in the real world 🌎
so the robot flowers thing have poetry in them....Apollo is the god of poetry
That is true but as stated in the video the alpha that made the botany subfunction was a huge poetry nerd and the metal flowers create a triangle of flowers aeound them. A triangle is a way of drawing delta which is the first letter of the name of the botany ai.
DEMETER, one of GAIA's subroutines, is probably the one who created the metal flowers we see everywhere. We know that her creator had a huge love of poetry and probably hard coded a lot into DEMETER.
5:05 HEPHAESTUS and Zero Dawn. 😳
14:35 Elizabet Sobeck. 😎
I don’t know why but the way Cyan describes Hephaestus, makes him sound much more cruel then Hades. I mean, we don’t know what Hades would do with other AI, but it doesn’t seem like he would force another AI to go against their main directives.
What if this is what happened to us.... like the pyramids and all other mysterious phenomenons that were built before that no one knows about its origin.. as they say history repeats itself and we are literally headed towards this same path in our present time.
N0RRE A then we best get to figuring out why cats were considered so important.
"History doesn't repeat itself. But it does rhyme. " Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
It did not. Our space is unscathed.
I love that concept. Time as an eternal cycle, nietzschean return of the identical. The true ancient meaning of myths.
@@tempname8263 Actually scientists believe that our universe has "died" at least once before.
If they make a sequel (which I hope) I wonder if CYAN will take over Sylens’ role as Aloy’s intel since they parted ways at the end of the game.
I could be wrong, but isn’t CYAN the only AI/Machine ally that Aloy has?
Not really, Sylens even commented on the discovery of CYAN.
And they just announced a sequel!
I feel more like Sylens will be the antagonist in Forbidden West.
Yeah, Cyan right now is the only AI ally she has, unless the other subroutine AI’s haven’t run amok with their programming since they have been without Gaia for a long time, but I doubt that’s the case with the AI we are most definitely going to meet in Forbidden west.
I guess they didn't think, at the time they were writing this game, of the negative effects of the internet, instant gratification, rapid access to information and the near-total lack of critical thinking ability in the general population that is as much a threat to humanity as is climate change.
Take a good look folks. If nothing is done, what CYAN is talking about is out future...what am i saying, its already here...lol
helmsdeep84 Sadly yes, we really need to act quickly, but those in power done seem to care.
dude I know I just piece this together too late but if ted the guy who made the killer robot didn't erase all of history, then the people wouldn't have gone through the stone age. then they would not have hunted the robot animals that the cavemen have done to survive and piss of Hephaestus. end of story all ted fault.
Hephaestus in sequel maybe?
Maybe :p
Well, this is what you get by allowing Windows Telemetry eagerly contacting Microsoft.
They're talking about Demeter.
Let's see if Cyan appears again in HZD2
Lmao “on a more comprehensive level” the banuk would really drag it like it’s an AI my guy
i kinda wish we couldve visited the old tribes from the first game in the new game
A moment's peace
HADES( UNACCEPTABLE )
All I can think of is Elon Musk's warning to us about AI, & how we (Humanity) will come to rue our own hubris (in thinking that we will be able to control the Genie, once we let it escape the bottle... i.e., it's containment facility). Thoughts?
Two ways it can play and both are out of our hands.
1. Its a benevolent AI and it helps us solve most if not all the problems we have at this time, propelling us into a golden age.
2. It takes us as a threat and you get Terminator movies and it just goes around killing us, most efficient way would be a bioweapon.
If it happens id prefer the 1st option by far like everyone.
Elon Weed!!!!!!!
I think its hubris to think we can create somthing that awesome. I'm not even 100% convinced the nuclear weapons we have are truly the mass extinction level threat we have been told. It would certainly destroy human civilization, but destroy the biosphere? The radiation is far worse than the blast. And mutation is a natural process. Yes the rate would increase by several levels of magnitude, yes radiation burns and cancer kill too, yes climate change can have long term affects, but I don't think the flora and fauna of the more remote areas of the world will care. I don't think AI capable of destroying humanity could be made at the level people are worrying without the containment procedures developing alongside them. If the AI ever did get out of control, there is no reason to think we would lose control of it AFTER completing the necessary algorithms and weaponizing it. In all reality if a breach were to occur, it would be when the technology is newest and least understood. It would require criminal levels of neglect and outright stupidity on the part of Humanties smartest individuals to fk this up.
By comparison, our nuclear weapons are purposely built using old tech, to make it physically impossible to hack or control using new tech. The machines, diodes, and wiring are all controlled using keys, old fashioned floppy disks, and toggle switches, requiring a human operator, sealed in facilities with no internet or cable connections of any kind that can interface with the launch computer. This launch computer is a computer in the most literal sense. It is hard wired for one job, one series of calculations only. It's not a personal computer with loads of unused code and software that can be misused, changed, or accessed remotely. The only communication methods are phone and radio. Neither of which have any way of physically interacting with the analogue weapon systems or computers. Such a facility could be used to hold an AI as well, with manual upload ports for outside information to be injected into the remote system in packets, making it physically impossible for the AI to get out, or anything unwanted from getting in without humans putting it there.
I really wonder if maybe there still are advanced humans in the world of horizon, i cant believe that ALL mankind was wiped out.
Never knew A.I could've anxiety attack
Well, it takes knowing one to know that.
I hope they bring back CYAN for the third game.
it would be nice if there was some ref to this part of the world in the new game !
My level is lvl 38 before going to meridian cuz i came to the frozen wilds.
@ioan kolev boy my goal is to get level 60 tho and completeall side quests
mine is level 51 by the time i finished the frozen wilds before i continued my level 15 main missions lol
Wait?! I still have Ourea with me?! How she does wtf?!
Horizon Forbidden West: Fighting Hepatitis
TH-cams constant every repeating shitty ads are worse than chinese torture
I love this game so much I hope they made horizon zero dawn 2
Trailer for the sequel was recently revealed :)
The Cheetah thank you 🙏 cheetah to let me know 😇
while I am supicious by deafult for big publishers...
I realy hoppe the next installment in this ip stayes good...for once there is a arangement for dlc I find worthwhile ,aka while the 'end chapter' game of the 'main' story is worked on dlc's like this can be sold giving a 'taste' of each of the haywire systems ,and potentialy other sentient facility cores building background for potential 'Titan allies' for the ending show down..be rather epic to say have aloy with some coding help 'cure' some of the lees destructive oriented sub systems and/or join the efforts of aloys 'alliance' as independent intities ...and well ,cliche but cant lie having 'the chosen one call out and have 'a godess' 'uncorupted' Titan warmachines both eon old and if say 'curing' hephatious some foundery fresh support legions or just born Titans... ^^ ahh the kid within me..big robots..cant resist them.
Your points are lessened by your terrible grammar.
@@Chipiliro613 Your point is lessened by your rudeness.
@@Chipiliro613 Absolutely ridiculous argument.
You're right about not trusting big game companies, judging by the AAA releases on 2021.
@@kentreed2011 dont remind me , since 2020 its sort of hard to find any difference in big game companies and gambling mafia cartels.
they sell half finished stuff ,then have it rigged to try and extort you for ohh microtransactions best sell so we can affffford to finish it cough 'protection' money cough behavior more or lees afterwards with how they try pretend buying a product = services
She just get back from Burning Man? 😂
Now that you mention it, that armor does look like something you'd see at Burning Man. But it isn't.
Cyan is probably Gaia ai kid lol
If this happened in real life we’ll hope nothing bad happens tho
(it on 11:10
this story have such potential ,but i also fear its going to be ruined with logic or continuity breaking plotholes in the need to have arbitary cliffhangers or solutions that can be executed by a lone 'hero' individual in 'epic' fights...have more chapters/new regions been made for it after this dlc ?
theres allready one semi major plothole in the base game.....why was the old robots still around ? after all once gaia deactivated the paraoh plague ..it hade a dead planet....nothing stoping it from implementing some ..harsh.. solutions to purge at least a vast majority of the swarm of combat droids hardware tied into the plague hive network ,before starting to terraform.
and if the core plot not involves gaia taking some very judge dreed like actions agenst the mad knowledge purging and college murdering ceo..whom might have hidden a virus on a hibernating communication satellite to transform subordinate functions into independent entities ,but doing more then hide hardwired commands in local hardware such as to try and live counter hack a conscious AI's core algorithms in any effort to restrict it for more then a few houers ?....no...
Hades awoke the Faro machines with the help of Sylens and the Eclipse.
#VGS
this game is just fking sad all over
That my name dr chao
Scp 2000
When you're realizing that Ted Faro who exist in fiction, has kind of similar man in reality under the name Elon Musk, you just wanna go, I'm overthinking 😂😂
I finished the game but didn't see this.
Its a DLC
@@obayrafi2632 What is a DLC?
(Drax: Why is a DLC?)
@@count7340
Downloadable content
Like additional story, characters, skins.... Etc that you can buy with real money
(what master do you serve?!)
@@obayrafi2632 What am l supposed to say? Jesus!?
@@count7340 lmao 😂😂
Why did no one ever talk bout this part tho...hephaustus forced and hurt cyan into submission, hephaustus raped its fellow ai cyan for control over its functions. Cuz as a person that reads in between the lines i caught that and i felt terrible for her.. I wished aloy could had been able to console a bit more
Good lord! The women good, man bad is getting out of hand.
Welcome to another episode of "Making Things Unnecessarily Political" with Adam Nilsson.
Uh there's a lot of good men in this game and bad women
Awww, I just knew there would be a delicate snowflake in the comments.
Are you okay, Adam?
@@justjim1027 Do you actually care if he is okay or not? Are you actually going to try and help him? Or are you taunting him to make him feel bad?
@@Irraptured Why on earth would anybody wish to make a delicate and ignorant snowflake feel bad?
CYAN catering to anxious gamers... what a joke lmao
Nah, typical. These writers think emotion is the result of higher intelligence. What morons. Emotion is the most primitive form of thought. It is the human equivalent to animal instinct. One could say with no exaggeration that emotion is instinct. A radically inaccurate and relativistic means of interacting with the outside world.
From the simplest single celled organisms, all creatures interact with the world in a purely reactionary way. At the mercy of the breeze so to speak. All output is simply a chemical or neurological reaction to an environmental input. The key difference between simple spineless cellular organisms, and more advanced creatures that breaks this mold is the ability to imagine and think abstractly. The ability to create logical equations out of disjointed parts, rather than rely on the outside world to provide all stimuli, advanced organisms can simulate mental stimulation internally. A common example of this in humans that we have not yet observed in any other animal is "imagination" the ability to remember things that you have never encountered before. Most animals have no imagination. Thier knowledge is limited to what they can observe. Humans also have abstract thinking such as symbolism to allow us to imagine physical representations of unobservable phenomenon. Such as numbers, words, pictures, and other man made stimuli that carry far more information than can be observed naturally. This creativity is the division between natural and unnatural. It can be said all things that exist in the world are part of said world, and thus are natural. But there exist human constructs that have no physical presence, such as the internet. These abstract things can not even in the broadest and literal definition be classified as natural.
Emotion is not human, it is animal. Imagination and logic is human.
Tree hugging hippies can get fucked by a horse cock if they love "nature" so much.
Nothing else is both so pointless and equally prolific than the human construct of nature. The common observation that man and beast are radically different is not hard to observe. It's so obvious it requires no imagination at all. But the superstitious assumption that nature is perfection, and thus man must be imperfect by default is both illogical and paradoxical. The very word is simply describing a human construct. The delineation between artificial and natural is not a description of a literal observation. It is an abstract categorization of things. Being that the very idea is man made would mean it would have to be imperfect if man were imperfect.
This argument is so pointless it rivals relativism in unnecessary complexity. Nature does not exist. There is and there is not. Only our perception of what is and isn't is up for debate. Nature is nothing more than a word we use to describe things we make and things we don't make. Any value placed on those things is intrinsic, or subjective.
This is why hippies disgust me so much. Their pseudo intellectual superstitions have set society back possibly decades with their feel good bull shit. The only reason any of these societal drop outs have any success at winning over the masses is by giving the people a cheap excuse to shed all responsibility to be a functional contributor to society, by vilifying the very society they rely upon for thier physical existence!
Them and the champagne socialists who tweet about how evil corporations are while sipping their Starbucks coffee on their i-phone, wearing designer jeans, in a city who's entire economic foundation is built on multinational corporations.
But just because they don't complain about paper straws or participate in some other token conservation program they think they have the moral and intellectual merit to challenge the only man made thing to abide by any natural laws: society.
Placing emotions over logic is precisely the kind of idiotic thing these people do, they have so little imagination I can read them like a book. These writers are a bunch of NPC hipster elitists who are using this game to channel their bullshit superstitions like propaganda. It doesn't explore anything new, at best the story is just a plot device to drive gameplay. The themes and ideas portrayed are tired old tropes and platitudes.
I can see every trope and artistic "inspiration" just from this video alone. These people wouldn't know art if they fell into a painting in Super Mario 64. They have no creativity, no inner monologue, they just parrot the talking points and vague narratives of yesteryear's counter culture and think its fresh because it's in a video game. Not judging the game mind you. Just the writers.
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@@enderzilla747orleomiranda8 and here I thought It would be a copy pasta of a meme.
Wow, you managed to tie in, like, everything. Little bit of bestiality in there too. Weird that's where your mind went for an example.
While you have a salient point about the general concept of a programmer putting time and effort into making an AI experience emotions, whoa mama did you get off topic.
And if anything is setting human society back, I think I'd take swings at fundamental religious beliefs, callous corporate short-sightedness, or just general human stupidity before I took aim at hippies.
dude who the fuck hurt you
Also, for somebody who claims to place logic over emotion, you seem to harbor a lot of vitriol and anger in your argument.
"What *morons."*
"Tree hugging hippies can get *fucked by a horse cock* if they love "nature" so much."
"This is why hippies *disgust* me so much. Their pseudo intellectual superstitions have set society back possibly decades with their *feel good bull shit."*
"The only reason any of these *societal drop outs..."*
"Placing emotions over logic is precisely the kind of *idiotic* thing these people do..."
"These writers are a bunch of *NPC hipster elitists..."*
"They have no creativity, no inner monologue, *they just parrot the talking points and vague narratives of yesteryear's counter culture and think its fresh because it's in a video game."*
You are clearly not above emotion, not by a long shot.