How is it that despite having some of the worst primary variety, literally every single one of Scout's secondary weapons are viable in some way or another?
@@sirpuffball6366 I think the pistol has its upsides, it “feels” alot more accurate due to the slower firing speed, and ofc you have the higher clip size Also keep in mind I’m not saying that the pistol is better then the pretty boys pocket pistol overall, I’m just saying that it DOES have a little bit of upsides over it which is what results in some people using it more.
I was actually considering going back to the winger. It was my first unlock and soundsmith said a bunch of positive stuff about it in the weapon stereotypes. So my little naive brain thought "Ey big youtube dude say its good! it must be good!" And I was right! All scouts pistols fill a niche which no other can, and I have to admit this just convinced me to going back about a year and then some and staying with this wingman again.
I just prefer utility in my secondary as Scout way more which is why the only other weapon I like besides The Winger is Mad Milk. Anyway, glad to see you convert back to the Church of the Winger.
Hey! I'm a mapper for TF2 and Portal 2, with most maps, those "spots" where you can jump were probably not intended by the mappers, it's likely the collision of the prop that the mapper didn't bring too much attention on let you do this :)
@@ezekielrauch3703 No he didn't say that, still thought it may could been useful for some people. Also yes, you don't need to be a mapper to figure that out, but it definitly helps.
@joshua Denis out of curiosity,is it possible for valve to fix the hit boxes in some maps that allow demoman to hide his stickies there? I did report one spot to valve once,and was not fixed,was it because they couldn't or because they are lazy?
Why use anything else when if you have this, the atomiser, and the soda popper you can recreate Poochie's final moments as he travel back to his home planet, as Scout TF2 from the popular game Team Fortress 2.
@@thechroniclegamer4285 I understand the popper since it one-shots anyone who isn't overhealed (it fires so fast that its two shots might as well be one) but why the atomizer?
Honestly, the downside isn't even bad. I mainly only use the pistol to finish off opponents, so the damage buff is good, and entirely negates the clip size downside. In my opinion, it should be meta.
I think you explained why I love the detonator and mobility weps like the winger, atomizer, etc, didn't really realise it until now but like you said, weapons that open up new possibilities and weird routes/spots that you usually never see are especially fun Amazing video 👍👍 Also nice mystery dungeon music 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Aye, I’ve been loving your guides lately too, it’s cool to see you here! And I 100% agree. I actually regret neglecting the Detonator on my last Phlog video even though it is my favourite secondary for him purely for that extra jump height.
I've always been a winger supremacist. I couldn't imagine playing on Harvest without it; the movement is just too fluid when I have it, and it really helped to cement Harvest as my favorite map. Glad to see some love for the weapon
I honestly love these videos, where someone comes along and the TF2 community is going, _"Wow, this weapon's utter garbage, and serves no purpose..."_ and goes, _"Um, actually..."_ with a comprehensive guide on good ways to apply it... they make for some really fresh ideas... 😁
The Winger combined with the Atomizer lets you do anything and get anywhere, it’s actually insane. Get the 25% higher jump from the Winger then if you time it right, you can also use the third jump from the Atomizer, and then the sky’s the limit with the amount of mobility you have
@@personalover9514 I _would say_ that requires Hype, but then i realized it’s a primary and doesn’t conflict with the other picks and oh _god_ that just sounds heavenly.
@@danolantern6030 well even with the hype downside the force a nature is also infinitely better than the winger since it always gives you mobility and that mobility is far better than the winger and still pairable with the atomizer
@@danolantern6030 even if the soda popper's hype meter downside is too large, the force a nature is also a better choice than the winger because it gives a very large movement boost thats far more than the winger, while not using your second jump and which you can also combine with the atomizer's third jump. sorry that i worded it strangely
I found the most of my jumps on harvest, you can jump onto the roof from spawn on those boxes and get to the other team real early. There is also a spot on the big blue barn where there is a light you can jump on from the roof of the point. You can also go on the boxes outside of mid and jump on the roof from there. You can also jump up to shed with the boxes stacked by the side, and from the shed to the roof across (you could already do this but it is much harder).
I personally have always loved using the winger, scout already capitalizes on high mobility, so using it plus the damage boost, and they can't hit you because your jump archs look different from what their used to, whats not to love?
I just started playing TF2 again and I always loved playing as Scout. seeing the Winger already equipped, makes me feel that I knew, that the higher jump gives so much more potential in movement. As a CoD player, movement is such an important factor for a shooter and that's why I love Scout and hate Heavy :p
Personally, I cannot live without the Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol. It makes it worthwhile to pick at far away targets that can’t hurt you because of the healing you’ll get, and the higher dps at minimal cost is a nice addition. Also, WHAT ABOUT THE ATOMIZER? It provides an equal, if not better boost to your upwards mobility, and opens up your secondary slot for a more useful weapon!
I genuinely love the Winger and similar weapons for Scout, which is why I have a load out for him that is the Atomizer, Winger,and Force of Nature, I also know you can get out of sewers to the middle area in 2Fort with them.
"Honey no I can't attend the funeral, there's a new el maxo video" banger video as usual. Totally agree, essentially no one uses the winger, underrated 100%. Also that Pokemon MD sound track hit me with so much nostalgia out of no where, thank you
After I started using the Winger a few months back, I havent been able to stop. At this point, losing the Winger's mobility would feel like being hit in the kneecaps. There are SO many situations where you can just winger jump instead of doing awkward crouch jumps over props, making movement feel fluid
Though I barely play scout, winger is probably my most used secondary because its higher dmg per bullet and jump bonus is what makes me love to use it.
It's also worth mentioning how useful the extra jump height can be when dealing with the enemy players. Being able to manually alter your jump height means more possibilities for juxing your opponent and exhausting their shots while you're dancing in the air around them, pelleting them with lead.
The Ultimate “More Jumpy, Less Shooty” Loadout (TUMJ,LSL): Soda Popper, for extra jumps when the boost is active and the knock back on shot, the Winger, you already know why, and the Atomizer for triple jump when equipped. Jumps could be like: double Winger jump, switch to the Atomizer for the triple jump then switch for the Soda Popper for the knock back
ngl i think the shortstop is far more underrated than the winger. everyone seems to think it's a trash weapon that gets outclassed by the scattergun but those people have never two tapped a scout in a 1v1 before the other guy could even fire a second shot. i've never played with any version of the shortstop other than the current one, so i have no memories of it being better or worse than it currently is, but it is so fucking fun to use. also i *think* the shove might actually be useful for shoving trolldiers away but i've not actually remembered to try using it when i'm facing one.
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 yeah so basically my series is everything you need to know about the stock main weapons of each class (think minigun, knife, medi-gun, not primaries necessarily). I’m thinking Winger and Basher but man do I love “Ranger Flava” and healing from the pocket pistol is great too. I’m probably gonna save Scout for last because he’s my least used class and I need more time playing the class before telling others how to play the class, ya know?
What's even great about the winger is how you can vary your jumps rather having the same height for both jumps. You can either have a normal + high jump, high + normal jump, or high + high jump giving you a bit more unpredictability in your jump patterns, arguably still a bit predictable since you're airborne but hey they have to aim higher/farther now.
Why not just run atomizer and save yourself a slot for the PBPP? It's perfect for getting back that 6 health you'd normally grab a large health pack for as a scout.
I know it's not optimal but I also find that the winger synergizes nicely with the babyface's blaster, more so than the stock pistol, and about as well as the prettyboy's and cleaver. The extra height allows you to make jumps where you can't spare the boost for a double jump, and the added bonus damage allows you to build a bit better of boost by just firing into distant fights before diving in.
My favorite Scout secondary- If you’re on Hightower you can jump up the main tower from below and get the drop on Soldiers spamming your spawn. It also makes the jump to mid on Granary easier :)
The winger and pocket boy have always been my favorite. But I tend to use the winger more, just because the extra height on my jumps combo's really well with my playstyle of "Fly scout", aka fuck you, I might not be able to hit you, but you can't hit me either. Basically just be a minor annoyance that can cause major distractions for my team to push.
I recently found out that the 25% jump height bonus is actually more like a *50%* jump height bonus. What it increases by 25% is the jump _velocity,_ but the effect of that on jump height is squared. It increases the perfect double jump + crouch max height from 117 HU to 171 HU, which is a pretty big increase. This applies to MvM jump height upgrades, too. Buying 3 ticks of jump height and holding the Winger actually gives you *4x* jump height, not just 2x.
Bro just 2 weeks ago you had like 6k subs and know you have almost 10k that's some crazy growth homeboy and the person most deserving of it! Keep it up man, Also another great video keep it up :)
Love your videos man!!! I like how you also include some of Toby Fox's OST's. Especially liked the part where you played "Undertale" as Scout was reminiscing about his death.
I remember playing this game years ago, and pistol was super important to my scout playstyle, because of this I could get away with running the Force-a-Nature for more mobility. Also Idk if they changed it but I recall Engineer's pistol having much more ammunition, which meant swapping pistols in spawn was really nice when possible.
1:56 Not sure if you meant to imply that this jump is impossible, but you actually can jump from the planters to the central pagoda roof on koth_king with stock. It's a bit tricky, but definitely doable.
My personal favourite efficient jump is on plr_hightower where you can jump from the balcony to the hightower if you stand on the railing and double jump you can BARELY make it without the winger so its a ton of fun to use on community servers
i think me and most other people prefer the atomizer over the winger, even though you can get some extra mobility with the winger, atomizer does essentially the same thing and also opens up your pistol slot for stock/pocket pistol. Im aware of the jumps you can get with both, but most are usually quite situational and you could get more kills with the pistol finishing people off at a distance than you could with the different spots both the weapons give you
As a winger scout I can agree with the fact that you are saying at the start of using the winger I doubled up it with the fan of war to get mini crits and it works well.
I'm glad you made this video. I used to love the Winger but kinda got swayed by what everyone else was saying and stopped using it. This video reminded me of why I used to like it.
The winger was the first strange I ever gotten. I traded it for a paint drop, if I recall correctly. Either way, the winger holds a special place in my heart
Holy shit, the music in the background of the “More Jumpy” part gave me such a nostalgia blast, it’s from some Pokémon game on the Nintendo DC, I don’t remember the name, but I didn’t know how to play it, but I just loved walking around.
The Winger can also be combined with the Shortstop (and Wrap Assassin if feeling especially sneaky) for the ultimate mid-range Scout...a gameplay loop with absurd survivability and excellent harassment/finishing potential.
The winger is my go-to secondary on sujin, because you can gain control of the entirety of the high ground at once with it. you can become batman. its so cool.
This raises the eternal question of Winger vs Atomizer. They can be used in conjunction, but there's some major overlap between the weapon's niches and their benefits don't really work together, since you can only have one out at once. This means that equipping both is in many ways sub-optimal. The atomizer does most of what the winger does, without having to give up your more reliable pistol (instead just giving up your melee, which for many scout builds isn't used at all). The question then becomes: do the upsides of the winger justify equipping it when so much of its utility is covered by the atomizer for free? The main benefits of the winger are faster switch speed and being able to do big jumps while shooting (albeit less sustained dps than your pistol would be). There's some utility for that, but if you're just using it to do rollouts and get into position while out of combat, the atomizer doesn't seem any worse. There's also of course utility for people who want to equip a different melee than atomizer, but outside of 6v6 where you need the basher for uber, there aren't really many situations where your secondary slot is less valuable than your melee slot. That's not looking good for the winger camp. Now the final point that I THOUGHT put the nail in the coffin for the winger is the actual jump heights. My assumptions about the jump heights made me think the winger is +25% height for two jumps, meaning an effective 250% jump height. This would put it well below the atomizer's theoretical 300% jump height (and additional horizontal jump distance), and leave it pretty much trounced on ever level. BUT, after testing it on tr_walkway, it seems to me that the atomizer's three jumps somehow results in less jump height than the winger's two +25% jumps. This probably has something to do with how tf2 calculates gravity - maybe it's actually increasing the force of his jump by +25%, which for some reason results in a higher total jump height than a third distinct jump. Whatever the reason, the winger seems to give a bit higher jump height, while the atomizer of course provides more horizontal airtime. As someone who values mobility a whole damned lot, I'm going to have to play winger scout a lot more now. Looks like it still has its own niche. Side note, you can actually fairly reliably do a jump with the winger, then swap over to the atomizer by the time the second jump ends and benefit from both in one round of airtime, but it's pretty clunky and means not shooting while jumping, which again negates part of the benefit of the winger in the first place.
What brought me to the Winger is that I adored the movement of the Atomizer, but I wanna have access to the range of the Wrap Assassin. It’s been wonderful so far
You're a cool channel bro keep making videos they're really fun to watch and all that junk. My winger's been collecting dust in my backpack, but I'm gonna give it a try because of you. :)
The Soda popper winger atomizer loadout are scout's version of engy's rescue ranger wrangler eureka effect setup Always fun being able to jump onto a ledge for a sniper and sneak up infront of their scope only to unload 2 slugs into the. Or More humiliating atomizer bat taunt killing them 😂 People forget scout can counter sniper if they use their brains and use something else other than stock. Its really funny when you can simply double jump over a sentry's range too as it doesn't react fast enough turning around and up. Though takes practice.
When I first started playing TF2, the winger was my first unlock, But when I first got it, I had no Idea what it did because I misread the -66% clip size stat as -66% DIP size. So I didn't even know it made you jump higher. So for that reason I ignored it for like 2 years until I finally realized what it did.
Honestly I love atomizer since 1: It doesn’t take up the secondary slot 2: It is alot easier to reach longer distances and even then it can reach the same amount of hight as winger I believe. 3: Since you have the secondary slot open you can use higher dps pistols / secondaries like PBPP and Cleaver. The only real downside is not being able to use boston basher, but in my case I see myself (and others too) using atomizers ability ALOT more then the bostons, it just opens so much flank routes. But yeah, winger definitely is underrated in the end. I kinda like to consider it the “Atomizer pistol”
1:46
He kinda sounds like the scout
idk why this made me laugh so hard so here is your pinned comment
Yes
True tho
@@elmaxoTF2 i just keep clicking it hearing you say “yeah” over and over is quite funny in the context of this guys comment lol
cuz He is the SCOUT !
How is it that despite having some of the worst primary variety, literally every single one of Scout's secondary weapons are viable in some way or another?
Yeah it is a bit odd how that works - would be nice to see some viable primary weapons.
Well, to be fair the stock pistol is a straight downgrade to the pretty boy's so that's one less
@@sirpuffball6366 I think the pistol has its upsides, it “feels” alot more accurate due to the slower firing speed, and ofc you have the higher clip size
Also keep in mind I’m not saying that the pistol is better then the pretty boys pocket pistol overall, I’m just saying that it DOES have a little bit of upsides over it which is what results in some people using it more.
Bonk! Atomic Punch would like to know your location
@@sirpuffball6366 thats debatable
I was actually considering going back to the winger. It was my first unlock and soundsmith said a bunch of positive stuff about it in the weapon stereotypes. So my little naive brain thought "Ey big youtube dude say its good! it must be good!" And I was right! All scouts pistols fill a niche which no other can, and I have to admit this just convinced me to going back about a year and then some and staying with this wingman again.
I just prefer utility in my secondary as Scout way more which is why the only other weapon I like besides The Winger is Mad Milk. Anyway, glad to see you convert back to the Church of the Winger.
Its good to be back in the Church of the Winger
did you mean to say wingman or was that a typo. because if it was a typo someone has been playing too much apex legends
i mean... the atomizer exists. pretty much the same thing as the winger
@@drakefruit I don't play but I watch a fair amount. I wanna play sometime in the future though
Hey! I'm a mapper for TF2 and Portal 2, with most maps, those "spots" where you can jump were probably not intended by the mappers, it's likely the collision of the prop that the mapper didn't bring too much attention on let you do this :)
Wow thats a cool fact! Thanks
Good job mapper! People like you are underappreciated
@@ezekielrauch3703 No he didn't say that, still thought it may could been useful for some people. Also yes, you don't need to be a mapper to figure that out, but it definitly helps.
@@abirbhattacharji9345 thanks!
@joshua Denis
out of curiosity,is it possible for valve to fix the hit boxes in some maps that allow demoman to hide his stickies there?
I did report one spot to valve once,and was not fixed,was it because they couldn't or because they are lazy?
Why use anything else when if you have this, the atomiser, and the soda popper you can recreate Poochie's final moments as he travel back to his home planet, as Scout TF2 from the popular game Team Fortress 2.
Atomizer and soda are banned in comp
@@thechroniclegamer4285 bru
@@jayjot941 well im not wrong
@@thechroniclegamer4285 bru
@@thechroniclegamer4285 I understand the popper since it one-shots anyone who isn't overhealed (it fires so fast that its two shots might as well be one) but why the atomizer?
Honestly, the downside isn't even bad. I mainly only use the pistol to finish off opponents, so the damage buff is good, and entirely negates the clip size downside. In my opinion, it should be meta.
The first reference to Unturned in years and it’s a diss. I’ll take it.
Where?
@@brendabreezerostan2598 it was in the part with the pro player’s footage. He has the graphics set waaaaay down
@@joemomma3401 o, ok thx
I think you explained why I love the detonator and mobility weps like the winger, atomizer, etc, didn't really realise it until now but like you said, weapons that open up new possibilities and weird routes/spots that you usually never see are especially fun
Amazing video 👍👍
Also nice mystery dungeon music 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Aye, I’ve been loving your guides lately too, it’s cool to see you here! And I 100% agree. I actually regret neglecting the Detonator on my last Phlog video even though it is my favourite secondary for him purely for that extra jump height.
No, dear Elmaxo, that would **obviously** be the Craft Wrap Assassin. Foolish content creator, that gun is only intended for 10x Highertower!
you mean 100x?
100x is crazier
@@kapa_nitori either or really lmao
@@estimatedmedian scout on 100 go *Yeet*
if you don't hit frying pan to have fall damage immunity
then as engineer once said:
*_you better start prayin', boy_*
@@ashleycd6487 lmaooo
I've always been a winger supremacist. I couldn't imagine playing on Harvest without it; the movement is just too fluid when I have it, and it really helped to cement Harvest as my favorite map. Glad to see some love for the weapon
I honestly love these videos, where someone comes along and the TF2 community is going, _"Wow, this weapon's utter garbage, and serves no purpose..."_ and goes, _"Um, actually..."_ with a comprehensive guide on good ways to apply it... they make for some really fresh ideas... 😁
I still dont get whyd you use this over the atomizer
I mean back when the triple jump costed health, it was understandable
Now, yeah i dont get it
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 prob when someone uses a diffrent weapon or with the hype meter of soda poper, but mostly it's personal choice.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413i like having the wrap assassin
The Winger combined with the Atomizer lets you do anything and get anywhere, it’s actually insane. Get the 25% higher jump from the Winger then if you time it right, you can also use the third jump from the Atomizer, and then the sky’s the limit with the amount of mobility you have
couldn't you also utilize the soda popper for more jumps? at that point, scout could literally fly
@@personalover9514 I _would say_ that requires Hype, but then i realized it’s a primary and doesn’t conflict with the other picks and oh _god_ that just sounds heavenly.
@@danolantern6030 well even with the hype downside the force a nature is also infinitely better than the winger since it always gives you mobility and that mobility is far better than the winger and still pairable with the atomizer
@@Helperbot-2000 taking me a moment to process what you’re trying to say
@@danolantern6030 even if the soda popper's hype meter downside is too large, the force a nature is also a better choice than the winger because it gives a very large movement boost thats far more than the winger, while not using your second jump and which you can also combine with the atomizer's third jump. sorry that i worded it strangely
Finally, someone notices how useful the Winger & the Atomizer are
I dislike atomizer because when I have my winger out I have a freaking weapon I can shoot stuff with while being mobile.
@@aviko9560 I just wanna see how high scout can actually jump,
@@snooze2699 then use the force a nature, way better than the winger, like its not even a competition, the winger is nothing in comparison
I found the most of my jumps on harvest, you can jump onto the roof from spawn on those boxes and get to the other team real early. There is also a spot on the big blue barn where there is a light you can jump on from the roof of the point. You can also go on the boxes outside of mid and jump on the roof from there. You can also jump up to shed with the boxes stacked by the side, and from the shed to the roof across (you could already do this but it is much harder).
I personally have always loved using the winger, scout already capitalizes on high mobility, so using it plus the damage boost, and they can't hit you because your jump archs look different from what their used to, whats not to love?
I just started playing TF2 again and I always loved playing as Scout. seeing the Winger already equipped, makes me feel that I knew, that the higher jump gives so much more potential in movement. As a CoD player, movement is such an important factor for a shooter and that's why I love Scout and hate Heavy :p
I use the winger most of the time, I just bought a strange winger for 0.15 cents yesterday lol.
the atomizer kinda makes the winger useless though
@@overlord3481 funnily i use winger more than atomizer. just because i think atomizer take a bit too long to switch
Personally, I cannot live without the Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol. It makes it worthwhile to pick at far away targets that can’t hurt you because of the healing you’ll get, and the higher dps at minimal cost is a nice addition.
Also, WHAT ABOUT THE ATOMIZER? It provides an equal, if not better boost to your upwards mobility, and opens up your secondary slot for a more useful weapon!
I genuinely love the Winger and similar weapons for Scout, which is why I have a load out for him that is the Atomizer, Winger,and Force of Nature, I also know you can get out of sewers to the middle area in 2Fort with them.
I know this is like one year ago but I just recently learned you can get out of sewers with just force of nature (although more precise)
crazy how just a slight jump boost can feel so fucking good as a scout.
it definitely makes gameplay feel way more fluid
"Honey no I can't attend the funeral, there's a new el maxo video"
banger video as usual. Totally agree, essentially no one uses the winger, underrated 100%.
Also that Pokemon MD sound track hit me with so much nostalgia out of no where, thank you
I just found you a day ago and the nostalgia starts flowing down like my tears when I get market gardened
When elmaxo tells you in game about the new winger video
Te be honest I’ve always found it not overrated nor underrated. The thing was able to give 100 points to a youtuber, ofc its good
its how angles go
It's not underrated
I have just started watching this channel and its really good.
What is cool is that the winger stacks with soda popper hype, so you can fly forever
finally someone realizes the power of literally jumping to dodge bullets
After I started using the Winger a few months back, I havent been able to stop. At this point, losing the Winger's mobility would feel like being hit in the kneecaps. There are SO many situations where you can just winger jump instead of doing awkward crouch jumps over props, making movement feel fluid
The virgin Pocket Pistol fan vs. the chad Winger enjoyer
I USE WINGER ALL THE TIME
vs the stock pistol enthusiast
Though I barely play scout, winger is probably my most used secondary because its higher dmg per bullet and jump bonus is what makes me love to use it.
All of them against the sigma Lugermorph connoisseur
"Noooooo the pocket pistol is the best tho! You can't just do more pistol damage per shot!"
It's also worth mentioning how useful the extra jump height can be when dealing with the enemy players. Being able to manually alter your jump height means more possibilities for juxing your opponent and exhausting their shots while you're dancing in the air around them, pelleting them with lead.
1:30 this is the exact feeling the Detonator gives me
Former FROYO scout Freestate also liked to use it a lot, which inspired me to start running it more often.
5:39 pyro was so confused where he was getting shot from he just started throwing his mouse are hoping to hit you.
I LOVE this thing with the Back Scatter! It's so easier to get behind enemy lines when you can jump a bit higher.
The more editing, the more gooderer the video.
The winger has always been my most used scout secondary lmao, the extra mobility is huge
5:13 You didn't need to call me out like this :(
The Ultimate “More Jumpy, Less Shooty” Loadout (TUMJ,LSL): Soda Popper, for extra jumps when the boost is active and the knock back on shot, the Winger, you already know why, and the Atomizer for triple jump when equipped.
Jumps could be like: double Winger jump, switch to the Atomizer for the triple jump then switch for the Soda Popper for the knock back
I just love the skill based gameplay of dying repeatedly to the glowing rocket because balance
Use the winger with the soda popper and you've basically have noclip but with collision.
Oh man the comp scout mains are gonna hate you for this
ngl i think the shortstop is far more underrated than the winger. everyone seems to think it's a trash weapon that gets outclassed by the scattergun but those people have never two tapped a scout in a 1v1 before the other guy could even fire a second shot. i've never played with any version of the shortstop other than the current one, so i have no memories of it being better or worse than it currently is, but it is so fucking fun to use. also i *think* the shove might actually be useful for shoving trolldiers away but i've not actually remembered to try using it when i'm facing one.
Yeah, I’m tempted to have my Scout loudout for my series being:
Stock
Winger
Basher
Reasons: basically your whole video
same loadout as mine XD
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 yeah so basically my series is everything you need to know about the stock main weapons of each class (think minigun, knife, medi-gun, not primaries necessarily).
I’m thinking Winger and Basher but man do I love “Ranger Flava” and healing from the pocket pistol is great too.
I’m probably gonna save Scout for last because he’s my least used class and I need more time playing the class before telling others how to play the class, ya know?
What's even great about the winger is how you can vary your jumps rather having the same height for both jumps. You can either have a normal + high jump, high + normal jump, or high + high jump giving you a bit more unpredictability in your jump patterns, arguably still a bit predictable since you're airborne but hey they have to aim higher/farther now.
Why not just run atomizer and save yourself a slot for the PBPP? It's perfect for getting back that 6 health you'd normally grab a large health pack for as a scout.
Lmao
Because the melee slot is reserved for the holy mackerel and the holy mackeral only.
2:00 this is actually an efficent jump, as you can climb up using the piece of sheet metal on the left next to the barrel
winger absolutely slaps
Yea
I know it's not optimal but I also find that the winger synergizes nicely with the babyface's blaster, more so than the stock pistol, and about as well as the prettyboy's and cleaver. The extra height allows you to make jumps where you can't spare the boost for a double jump, and the added bonus damage allows you to build a bit better of boost by just firing into distant fights before diving in.
A good map needs at least one winger spots
Big Joey did a video on underrated TF2 TH-camrs, and I really feel like you deserved a mention, your video quality is top notch.
My favorite Scout secondary- If you’re on Hightower you can jump up the main tower from below and get the drop on Soldiers spamming your spawn. It also makes the jump to mid on Granary easier :)
Your videos are sooo high quality. Keep making more! :D
thanks so much
The winger and pocket boy have always been my favorite. But I tend to use the winger more, just because the extra height on my jumps combo's really well with my playstyle of "Fly scout", aka fuck you, I might not be able to hit you, but you can't hit me either.
Basically just be a minor annoyance that can cause major distractions for my team to push.
I recently found out that the 25% jump height bonus is actually more like a *50%* jump height bonus.
What it increases by 25% is the jump _velocity,_ but the effect of that on jump height is squared. It increases the perfect double jump + crouch max height from 117 HU to 171 HU, which is a pretty big increase.
This applies to MvM jump height upgrades, too. Buying 3 ticks of jump height and holding the Winger actually gives you *4x* jump height, not just 2x.
Bro just 2 weeks ago you had like 6k subs and know you have almost 10k that's some crazy growth homeboy and the person most deserving of it! Keep it up man, Also another great video keep it up :)
TL:DR
Pro: Jump Good
Con: Get Good
Love your videos man!!! I like how you also include some of Toby Fox's OST's. Especially liked the part where you played "Undertale" as Scout was reminiscing about his death.
I remember playing this game years ago, and pistol was super important to my scout playstyle, because of this I could get away with running the Force-a-Nature for more mobility. Also Idk if they changed it but I recall Engineer's pistol having much more ammunition, which meant swapping pistols in spawn was really nice when possible.
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I mean seriously, top notch quality. keep it up
My first strange was a strange winger. I gotten it from a trade. This weapon holds a special place in my heart...
1:56 Not sure if you meant to imply that this jump is impossible, but you actually can jump from the planters to the central pagoda roof on koth_king with stock. It's a bit tricky, but definitely doable.
this video nails exactly why its my secondary of choice! great commentary
My personal favourite efficient jump is on plr_hightower where you can jump from the balcony to the hightower
if you stand on the railing and double jump you can BARELY make it without the winger so its a ton of fun to use on community servers
Hands down my favorite Scout secondary. Great video dude!
Winger kicks ass and has a cool design. The extra jump height is really fun to see how many weird little spots you can get into.
The winger is rlly fun with the baby faces
i'll need to give it a go, I just love how satisfying stock is so I rarely use sidegrades
@@elmaxoTF2 I mean, the baby face's isn't good but...
My man seriously put the soundtrack to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon in this video. What a legend.
Your growing pretty damn quick, keep up the good work man!
I love using the winger to extend my force a nature jumps. That extra hight makes the difference when going for jumps
Very good work. I love these videos man. Very nice and concise. Keep it up!
i think me and most other people prefer the atomizer over the winger, even though you can get some extra mobility with the winger, atomizer does essentially the same thing and also opens up your pistol slot for stock/pocket pistol. Im aware of the jumps you can get with both, but most are usually quite situational and you could get more kills with the pistol finishing people off at a distance than you could with the different spots both the weapons give you
As a winger scout I can agree with the fact that you are saying at the start of using the winger I doubled up it with the fan of war to get mini crits and it works well.
Soda poper with winger is amazing.
It’s also really helpful with the soda popper when you get infi jumps
I'm glad you made this video. I used to love the Winger but kinda got swayed by what everyone else was saying and stopped using it. This video reminded me of why I used to like it.
The winger was the first strange I ever gotten. I traded it for a paint drop, if I recall correctly. Either way, the winger holds a special place in my heart
Love your editing, bro! Keep up the great work
Holy shit, the music in the background of the “More Jumpy” part gave me such a nostalgia blast, it’s from some Pokémon game on the Nintendo DC, I don’t remember the name, but I didn’t know how to play it, but I just loved walking around.
Ay someone else who appreciates the Winger. Great video as always.
The Winger can also be combined with the Shortstop (and Wrap Assassin if feeling especially sneaky) for the ultimate mid-range Scout...a gameplay loop with absurd survivability and excellent harassment/finishing potential.
I’m glad that there is a ( relatively ) new tf2 content creator full of ideas that also makes quality videos
Very nice
The Dopamine rush I get when a new elmaxo vid releases is indescribable
May I present to you: the Force-a-Nature. Less shooty, more jumpy, *no winger or atomiser required* (if you master jumping with it)
If you have all three, you can go to heaven*!
*note: not actual heaven, real heaven is using winger on x100 servers
The winger is my go-to secondary on sujin, because you can gain control of the entirety of the high ground at once with it. you can become batman. its so cool.
ive been using this weapon forever. the jump boost it gives it is soo good
This raises the eternal question of Winger vs Atomizer. They can be used in conjunction, but there's some major overlap between the weapon's niches and their benefits don't really work together, since you can only have one out at once. This means that equipping both is in many ways sub-optimal.
The atomizer does most of what the winger does, without having to give up your more reliable pistol (instead just giving up your melee, which for many scout builds isn't used at all). The question then becomes: do the upsides of the winger justify equipping it when so much of its utility is covered by the atomizer for free? The main benefits of the winger are faster switch speed and being able to do big jumps while shooting (albeit less sustained dps than your pistol would be). There's some utility for that, but if you're just using it to do rollouts and get into position while out of combat, the atomizer doesn't seem any worse. There's also of course utility for people who want to equip a different melee than atomizer, but outside of 6v6 where you need the basher for uber, there aren't really many situations where your secondary slot is less valuable than your melee slot. That's not looking good for the winger camp.
Now the final point that I THOUGHT put the nail in the coffin for the winger is the actual jump heights. My assumptions about the jump heights made me think the winger is +25% height for two jumps, meaning an effective 250% jump height. This would put it well below the atomizer's theoretical 300% jump height (and additional horizontal jump distance), and leave it pretty much trounced on ever level.
BUT, after testing it on tr_walkway, it seems to me that the atomizer's three jumps somehow results in less jump height than the winger's two +25% jumps. This probably has something to do with how tf2 calculates gravity - maybe it's actually increasing the force of his jump by +25%, which for some reason results in a higher total jump height than a third distinct jump. Whatever the reason, the winger seems to give a bit higher jump height, while the atomizer of course provides more horizontal airtime. As someone who values mobility a whole damned lot, I'm going to have to play winger scout a lot more now. Looks like it still has its own niche.
Side note, you can actually fairly reliably do a jump with the winger, then swap over to the atomizer by the time the second jump ends and benefit from both in one round of airtime, but it's pretty clunky and means not shooting while jumping, which again negates part of the benefit of the winger in the first place.
What brought me to the Winger is that I adored the movement of the Atomizer, but I wanna have access to the range of the Wrap Assassin. It’s been wonderful so far
basher hop winger jumps and force-a-nature jumps are my favorite things about scout
Your vids are like so fricking good m8. Keep up the good work!
holy your at 10k now man! congrats bro i knew you were gonna get kinda big
There are a few jumps where you will barely be unable to make it with the winger. However, just hold down crouch in mid air.
exceptional video lemaximilian
thank you lelincoln hall
You're a cool channel bro keep making videos they're really fun to watch and all that junk. My winger's been collecting dust in my backpack, but I'm gonna give it a try because of you. :)
full hype soda popper + winger + knowing how to jump = pure. delightful. agony.
Bro how do you only have 10k subs, you should have at least 100k because these videos are amazing. Keep going bro.
The Soda popper winger atomizer loadout are scout's version of engy's rescue ranger wrangler eureka effect setup
Always fun being able to jump onto a ledge for a sniper and sneak up infront of their scope only to unload 2 slugs into the.
Or
More humiliating atomizer bat taunt killing them 😂
People forget scout can counter sniper if they use their brains and use something else other than stock.
Its really funny when you can simply double jump over a sentry's range too as it doesn't react fast enough turning around and up. Though takes practice.
When I first started playing TF2, the winger was my first unlock, But when I first got it, I had no Idea what it did because I misread the -66% clip size stat as -66% DIP size. So I didn't even know it made you jump higher. So for that reason I ignored it for like 2 years until I finally realized what it did.
love the editing in this
Thank to your winger scout advertisement. I'm going to use it tomorrow
Honestly I love atomizer since
1: It doesn’t take up the secondary slot
2: It is alot easier to reach longer distances and even then it can reach the same amount of hight as winger I believe.
3: Since you have the secondary slot open you can use higher dps pistols / secondaries like PBPP and Cleaver.
The only real downside is not being able to use boston basher, but in my case I see myself (and others too) using atomizers ability ALOT more then the bostons, it just opens so much flank routes.
But yeah, winger definitely is underrated in the end. I kinda like to consider it the “Atomizer pistol”